Do not ask a Russian for directions to Nagorno-Karabakh

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Do not ask a Russian for directions to Nagorno-Karabakh


Do not forget: Gyumri is Leninakan


Russia has a military base in the Armenian city of Gyumri on the border with NATO Turkey. This is generally beneficial for the strategic interests of both Russia and Armenia, whose residents often say that if this base did not exist, Turkey and Azerbaijan would gobble them up.



But regarding Nagorno-Karabakh, the position of both Russia and Armenia is ambiguous. Russia has not yet recognized the sovereignty of the former autonomy, and now a self-proclaimed republic. Armenia recognized, but was in no hurry to include Karabakh into its composition, even at the time when the Lachin corridor existed, linking the partially recognized republic with a potential metropolis.

A natural question arises as to what economic interests Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan may have in Artsakh, and whether they exist at all. There is no doubt that there is a national and geopolitical Karabakh problem. But is there an economic one?

In fact, it was the economy that caused the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict during perestroika. All the fuss flared up initially not in Karabakh, but in the Kafan region of the Armenian SSR, whose government provided the Kremlin with an investment project for its development.

First of all, he meant the creation of additional energy capacities, which could disrupt the ecological situation in the region belonging to the natural zone of subtropical forests. In Moscow, apparently, they did not yet understand that the USSR was not eternal, therefore, guided by the theses about “friendship of peoples”, they gave the Armenians the right to implement the program.

There is no information about whether the “center” allocated money for this. But almost immediately after the talks held in Moscow, the Armenian authorities began to clear the land for construction in a very peculiar way: squeezing out the Azerbaijani population from there. It did not go without casualties.

Sumgayit and "Black January"


In Nagorno-Karabakh, a spontaneous “chain reaction” has already begun on the part of the local Armenian population: voices were heard either about joining Armenia, or in general about creating a union republic. As a result, in Baku and Sumgayit, in the largest cities of Azerbaijan, a huge number of so-called "erazes", Azerbaijani refugees from Kafan and Nagorno-Karabakh, appeared.

At the time of the Sumgayit massacre in 1988, in which the Yerazis were the main driving force, the flight of Azerbaijanis was observed mainly from Kafan and a number of adjacent regions. Refugees from Nagorno-Karabakh began to arrive en masse on the Absheron Peninsula a little later, when their number there approached the maximum possible, then there were already more serious riots in Baku in 1990, which were included in history as "Gara Janvar" (Azerb. "Black January").


To suppress them, it was necessary to introduce units of the Airborne Forces under the command of Alexander Lebed, who at that time had the rank of colonel. In the future, the Yeraz committed smaller actions, expressed mainly in the desecration and destruction of Armenian cemeteries and attempts to attack the Salyan barracks. This was accompanied by often approving rhetoric from the leaders of the Azerbaijani Communist Party, up to Elmira Kafarova herself, whose surname in Azerbaijani sounds more like Gafarova.

In the XNUMXs, the author happened to be at a meeting of former servicemen of the Caspian flotilla in the Crimean regional center Krasnogvardeyskoye (the historical name adopted by the official in Ukraine and in a number of EU states - Kurman-Kemelchi). Some of them visited both Nagorno-Karabakh and Kafan, while the majority were also on the Absheron Peninsula, where they pacified ethnic unrest.

Everyone unanimously said the same thing: the Armenians themselves started first, there was no point in climbing into Kapan with their ambitious economic projects. “I was there, there are lianas, subtropics, there is valuable land, and they decided to destroy all this and build a nuclear power plant there,” said Sergey Pridvorov, a gray-haired and drug-addicted sailor in the reserve of the Caspian flotilla, from the village of Rovnoye (Karasan) near Krasnogvardeisky .

Economic history lessons


As you can see, it was the conflict of economic interests of the two union republics of the collapsed largest country in the world in terms of area that caused another conflict - a military one. If you carefully read the most fundamental and unbiased study of the Karabakh war and the accompanying pogroms of the civilian population in Kafan, Sumgayit, Baku, Khojaly, Tom de Waal's "Black Garden", it turns out that the clash of economic interests of Armenians and proto-Azerbaijani tribal unions took place already in the Middle Ages.

The Karabakh Armenians initially led a settled way of life, being engaged in handicrafts, agriculture, and cattle breeding. Whereas the Oghuz tribal unions of Gara-Goyunlu and Ag-Goyunlu practiced mainly pasture cattle breeding, releasing flocks of sheep on the plateau seasonally. It would be wrong to say that the economic interests of Christians, who kept pigs along with cows and sheep, and Muslims, who almost exclusively let down sheep (rarely cow) herds from the mountains, did not intersect.

It should be taken into account, firstly, that Armenian sheep breeding has always been developed, and secondly, in traditional Armenian societies, free grazing of pigs is practiced on the forest edges or even on rural streets (this picture can be seen even in places where Armenians are densely populated in southern Russia, for example, in Loo or in Gaikodzor, I saw it myself).

Theoretically, the deforestation by Azerbaijanis (for various purposes, like for heating, since their ancestors lived in the highlands, where there was little forest, and also to expand pastures) could meet with active opposition from the Armenians. At the same time, Tom de Waal sharply criticizes the theory that the Azerbaijani shepherds in Nagorno-Karabakh were some kind of "limiters", labor migrants. Throughout his book, he constantly makes it clear that the truth is somewhere in between.

Armenian landing in Moscow


A legitimate question arises about the economic interests of Russia in Nagorno-Karabakh, where in 2021 it carried out a peacekeeping operation that ended in the actual land isolation of the unrecognized republic from Armenia. In Russia, the products of the agricultural, food and alcoholic beverage sector of Artsakh are supplied, to put it mildly, in small quantities, mainly to large cities: Moscow, St. Petersburg and Krasnodar.

The lion's share is occupied by products of processing of red and black mulberries, which form the basis of local crop production, and to a lesser extent - dogwood. Naturally, they cost a lot, since the collection of mulberries by the local population is carried out by old-fashioned methods: the berries are simply knocked down into a canvas stretched over stakes. At the same time, the industrial cultivation of white mulberry, which is a nutrient medium for the silkworm and, accordingly, one of the raw materials for the textile industry, is almost never practiced in Nagorno-Karabakh.


In Moscow, products from Nagorno-Karabakh are sold mainly either in the Armenia pavilion at VDNKh or in small shops owned by representatives of the Armenian diaspora (and not necessarily natives of Artsakh). Approximately 90 percent of these are products of the Artsakh alcoholic beverage industry, mulberry and dogwood distillates, often positioned by distributors as vodka, although they are not, vodka is a rectified product, not a distillate.

Everything else is mulberry and grape wines, jam and marmalade from mulberry and cornelian cherry, in the pavilion "Armenia" you can buy even such exotic things as Artsakh ice cream or dogwood marmalade (greetings from the Crimea and Kuban of Soviet times). It is practically impossible to deliver fresh mulberry to Russia from Nagorno-Karabakh, since it is a perishable product that does not tolerate transportation.

Deliveries of products from Armenia and Azerbaijan to Russia, of course, are much larger in volume. Taking into account the land isolation of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is ensured, among other things, with the direct or indirect participation of Russian peacekeepers, one can expect that its products in the few Russian stores where they are sold will either reach a completely unacceptable price level, or disappear from there altogether.

Open closed corridor


For Stepanakert, the liquidation of the Lachin corridor created a clear economic threat. The economic ties of predominantly agrarian Nagorno-Karabakh are collapsing not only with Armenia, but also with Russia. Despite the fact that, it must be repeated, Armenia, with all its internal political upheavals, still maintains allied relations with the power structures of the Russian Federation, and some Armenian politicians even asked the Russian Ministry of Defense to open a second military base, in addition to the already existing one in Gyumri.

The ethnic and religious minority of Russian-speaking Molokans in Armenia is the third largest after Armenians and Yezidis, while the country's authorities are trying to provide at least some support to them, in particular, willingly hiring them to work in social services due to strict morals, a ban on drinking and smoking, opportunities to teach Armenian children the Russian language, the lack of teachers of which has recently become acute.

Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan is not eternal under the moon and is unlikely to stay in power for a long time, at the moment the Kremlin should be interested not in his double game, but in the position of the Armenian society as a whole. What, in such a political situation, can be interesting for the Russian economy in Nagorno-Karabakh?

In fact, this is not only plantations of mulberry and dogwood and the production of products from these raw materials. The partially recognized republic also has deposits of precious and semi-precious metals, abundant resources of building materials such as basalt and tuff. But Azerbaijan considers developments by foreign investors in Nagorno-Karabakh illegal, and the international community supports it to one degree or another.


As a result, if Russian businessmen decide to invest in Artsakh mining facilities, this will be fraught with sanctions for them. Even deliveries of products from the Karabakh agro-industry and the alcoholic beverage industry to Russia may be disrupted due to the blocking of the Lachin corridor.

Further, the airport in Stepanakert has been restored, but this is not an airport, but a sham, since not a single airline will go there because, again, of possible sanctions: Baku demands from international organizations the recognition of the illegality of air flights over Nagorno-Karabakh. Previously, products from Karabakh were delivered through the Lachin corridor to Armenia, and from there to Russia. Now the economy of Karabakh is in isolation.

And until the Lachin corridor is restored, any talk about Russian investments in the Karabakh economy is meaningless. What they fought for, they ran into, and the talk of some Russian politicians that “everything will be returned in due course” is nothing more than an attempt to wishful thinking.
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  1. +4
    April 21 2023 08: 07
    at the moment, the Kremlin should be interested not in its double game, but in the position of the Armenian society as a whole.
    Naive suggestion. And when did this society have any influence on the leadership? Look, in France - at first the "yellow vests" tried, now there are riots again - and the result? And in general - why the construction of a nuclear power plant will interfere with the environment? The exodus of Azerbaijanis began after the construction plans, so should the author be understood? At that time there was a post-Chernobyl syndrome, even the Crimean nuclear power plant was abandoned.
    1. -5
      April 21 2023 20: 05
      And what does the economy and the LONG-TERM conflict in Artsakh (Karabakh) have to do with it, which, in its CAUSE-EFFECT relationship, is like 2 drops of water similar to the conflict in the Donbass ??? Or is the author not very comfortable identifying the conflict in Donbass with the conflict in Karabakh??? Khrushchev committed a crime when he presented in 1954. Russian Crimea to Ukraine, and Stalin did the right thing when he presented the Armenian Artsakh to Azerbaijan in 1921 ???
      1. 0
        April 22 2023 07: 56
        Khrushchev committed a crime when he presented in 1954. Russian Crimea to Ukraine, and Stalin did the right thing when he presented the Armenian Artsakh to Azerbaijan in 1921 ???

        But Boris Nikolayevich has nothing to do with it, here it is jingoistic liberal logic laughing
      2. 0
        April 22 2023 09: 59
        Quote from Romanovski
        Khrushchev committed a crime when he presented in 1954. Russian Crimea to Ukraine, and Stalin did the right thing when he presented the Armenian Artsakh to Azerbaijan in 1921
        and Khrushchev and Stalin did not assume that the Union would fall apart. And within the framework of a single state, there was nothing fundamental, but it is easier to manage
    2. +6
      April 22 2023 10: 53
      I, as a citizen of Russia, do not need Karabakh.

      After reading the article, I think that more truth is on the side of Azerbaijan.

      A huge number of Armenians live in Russia, the number of which is greater than in their homeland, Armenia. For some reason, I didn’t notice any demonstrations or mass registration for volunteers when there was a conflict in 2021.

      Armenians, unfortunately, for the most part are merchants and opportunists. And they love to create problems.
      1. +5
        April 22 2023 22: 07
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        After reading the article, I think that more truth is on the side of Azerbaijan.

        Yes, there is almost the whole truth on the side of Azerbaijan. Karabakh after the revolution in Russia (1917/18) was flooded with Armenian refugees from Turkey. and mostly by no means civilians, but militants armed to the teeth Dashnak-Tsutyun. They fled from the revenge of the Turks for the massacre and arbitrariness that they did on the territory controlled by the Russian Army in the Erzerum region. So they flooded into Karabakh and ... began to "revenge" the Azerbaijanis there ... for their humiliation from the Turks. Well, seize their lands. Several regions in Karabakh were slaughtered or expelled and settled there. Taking advantage of lawlessness and lack of central authority. There are enough documents about that period and I studied some of them during the period of the outbreak of the Karabakh crisis. At that time I served there and was both an eyewitness and a participant in some events. And quite an informed participant.
        It was the consequences of that massacre of 1917/18. and led to a monstrous imbalance in the composition of the population of Karabakh (up to 85% of Armenians against 15% of Azerbaijanis). The lands there are fertile, and it is convenient to keep the defense.
        Stalin, of course, knew the whole history of the conflict around Karabakh, which is why he included it in Azerbaijan. After all, at first there were no republics in Transcaucasia - there was the Transcaucasian Soviet Socialist Republic. Later divided into Azerbaijani, Armenian and Georgian.
        And it would not be a sin for the Armenians themselves to remember that the very territory of today's Armenia is located on the lands of the former Erivan principality. Armenians there (on the lands of the same Azerbaijanis) appeared at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries as REFUGEES from the same Turkey. And whom the Russian tsar accepted as "fellow believers" (although what Orthodox co-religionists from the Monophysites) and allowed them to settle in the vicinity of Erivan. That is, the same story happened as with the capture of Karabakh, but a little earlier and under the control of the Republic of Ingushetia.

        As for the history of the so-called. "Black January", then the author in vain endowed Lebed with a role that did not correspond to him. Lebed was then the commander of an airborne division (I think Ivanovskaya), and at least five such divisions were transferred there. Including a special-purpose airborne brigade under the command of Colonel Kvachkov. For the convenience of transferring troops to the local theater, as many as 17 (!) Helicopter regiments (42 - 46 helicopters each) were transferred there as well. And all this transfer of troops and equipment was carried out within one day ... moreover, within a few hours. I personally provided the wiring for all these boards ... it was something.
        He commanded an operation to pacify the rioters in Baku and all of Azerbaijan, personally Marshal Yazov. And all the commanders were also there. And Yazov’s report to Gorbachev on the “restoration of Soviet power in Azerbaijan” was carried out through our communications center ... And the next day, Hunchback (as usual) told reporters that “I don’t know at all that the military has done something wrong there, I’m not even in the country was "... Lied as always.

        As for not only Karabakh, but also Armenia itself, Russia does not need both of them for nothing - one crap and extra expenses. It is most reasonable to return Karabakh to Azerbaijan, and Armenia ... to Iran.
        Yes Yes Yes . Well, not the Turks, right? And becoming more and more hostile to Azerbaijan. But Iran exactly owned these lands before.
        And we will do something nice for Iran, and we will help Azerbaijan to restore justice, and we will not give the Turks freedom. And we ourselves will untie this "universal haemorrhoids". And the Iranians will be able to teach the Armenians order and discipline. With them, all these Soros chicks and the embassies of the USA, England and other Europeans will fly out with a kick in the ass within a week. And the Armenians will begin a normal, peaceful and creative life.
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Armenians, unfortunately, for the most part are merchants and opportunists. And they love to create problems.

        The last thing I want is that someday in the future, they again began to create problems for Russia and Russians. In any case, these will no longer be our problems.
    3. -2
      April 26 2023 21: 14
      During the open debate of the UN Security Council in New York, Azerbaijani Permanent Representative to the UN Yashar Aliyev announced 8 conditions that Armenia must fulfill in order to normalize relations with Azerbaijan .... (Let's try to calmly and reasonably answer the crafty Yashar from Baku).

      • comply with its international obligations; (Does Azerbaijan comply with its obligations??? Is it???)
      • withdraw its armed forces and illegal armed formations from the territory of Azerbaijan; ((First, let Azerbaijan withdraw its armed forces from the ILLEGALLY occupied heights on the territory of Armenia (not Karabakh, by the way ... Awww CSTO! ...) September 13, 2022))
      • return the still “occupied 8 border villages of Azerbaijan”; (Seriously ??? Until Baku returns Artsvashen to Armenia, which was an enclave of Armenia in Azerbaijan, as well as Shushi and Hadrut, which even during the USSR were part of the NKAO (Artsakh = Karabakh - - then all Baku's claims are from the evil one ...).
      • refrain from territorial claims, illegal activities and disinformation; (Bravo!! This is exactly what Baku propaganda does at the pro level...).
      • put an end to mine terrorism; (This means Armenians are terrorists, and Azerbaijanis are white, fluffy and saints??? And who killed peaceful Karabakh Armenians on the borders AFTER 2020??? Don't you know by chance??? Probably aliens?).
      • shed light on the fate of several thousand Azerbaijanis who went missing during the conflict; (Karabakh and Armenia have similar and no less heartbreaking claims to the Azerbaijani authorities and to all international judicial instances ... Please slyly and cynically "do not forget" about it...).
      • to compensate for the damage caused to Azerbaijan; (What are you talking about ???!! Seriously?? First, Baku is OBLIGED to compensate material and moral damage for the massacre of Armenians in Sumgayit (1988 .... V. PUTIN mentioned in his interview immediately after the war 2020) and in Baku (January 1990, when almost half a million Armenians abandoned their homes and property and through Turkmenistan from Azerbaijani pogromists and murderers ... Read the memoirs of the late General Lebed at your leisure ... It will be very interesting and not for the faint of heart).
      • conscientiously conduct negotiations on the conclusion of a peace treaty and the delimitation of the border between the two states. (And this point is JUST CRYING for official Baku...).
    4. -1
      April 26 2023 21: 23
      On April 23, 2023, as a result of unilateral (!!!) and uncoordinated (!!!) actions, the Azerbaijani side blocked traffic along the Lachin corridor in the area of ​​observation post No. 1 of the Russian peacekeeping contingent (bridge over the Khakari River). The command of the peacekeeping contingent is negotiating with the Azerbaijani side, the bulletin of the RCC in Artsakh says.

      It is also reported that violations of the ceasefire regime were recorded in the Mardakert region. There were no casualties. The command of the Russian peacekeeping contingent is investigating this fact.
      1. -1
        April 26 2023 21: 31
        Peskov called the situation with the installation of the Azerbaijani checkpoint in the Lachin corridor difficult (??!!...) ),

        Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov: “Russia continues its mediation efforts, and, mainly, to implement all the provisions of the tripartite documents that were signed earlier. Russia will continue to work on this together with Yerevan and Baku. We continue contacts. The situation is indeed not simple, it requires additional efforts, and most importantly, it requires the countries mentioned to understand that there is no alternative to the implementation of the mentioned agreements.”
  2. +12
    April 21 2023 08: 30
    Some strange article. Why should Russia invest in Karabakh? Or what about the Molokans? they live in Azerbaijan no worse than in Armenia. I would like more integrity in the article
    1. +5
      April 22 2023 22: 19
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Or what about the Molokans?

      Molokans are the descendants of Russian Old Believers who fled from Nikon's reforms outside the Russian Tsardom. They have been living there ever since.

      Quote: Stirbjorn
      they live in Azerbaijan no worse than in Armenia.

      Yes , Azerbaijanis do not offend them . As Armenians, I don't know. But personally I wouldn't want to live in the Armenian environment.
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Why should Russia invest in Karabakh?

      Russia does not owe anything to anyone, especially in Karabakh. And in Armenia too.
      But with Azerbaijan, Russia has quite a few very interesting and promising projects.
  3. +15
    April 21 2023 08: 32
    Long, detailed and useless. All the "national republics" of the USSR in the Caucasus have a long list of claims, including territorial ones, to all their neighbors. In principle, there are no rights in these disputes. Lenin brewed a hell of a mess by launching all this "self-determination", and his followers greatly increased the harm with their "indigenization". It was stupid as hell... but that's another story.
    Russia in modern times needed to do a simple thing. Namely, pick a side. Since there are no right-wingers in any Caucasian conflict, in principle, it was necessary to simply fix some position and stick to it. What was done in this particular situation. Unfortunately, the side was chosen incorrectly.
    Armenia is a political and economic pygmy with no development prospects. As confirmed by all the past years. No development has taken place, no success has been achieved and will not be achieved. Instead of working for the future, the Armenians chose what they consider themselves strong in - to intrigue, lie, deceive, run around the world and seek protection for themselves.
    Who needs such a partner? Who assures you of his "friendship", immediately spinning miner-machers with your enemies behind his back, begging for money without return and demanding support everywhere and everywhere, without helping in return in anything? Who needs all this and why?
    While Azerbaijan is developing and growing, it is possible to establish cooperation and partnership in mutually beneficial projects with it. Yes, the Armenian lobby in our power is strong and numerous. The question is - to make this lobby pleasant, or to choose the interests of our country? Years have shown - no matter how much you help the Armenians, no matter how much you give, they will not be grateful. They will always yell that they gave little, and in general "the Russians betrayed us." Why keep dabbling in it? Isn't it time to think about the benefits of your country?
    1. +2
      April 21 2023 18: 43
      Lenin brewed a hell of a mess by launching all this "self-determination", and his followers greatly increased the harm with their "indigenization". It was stupid as hell...
      Well, you are just like our supreme commander, Lenin is also to blame for everything, he laid a mine, panmaesh.
      While Azerbaijan develops and grows,
      Exclusively at the expense of the Turks.
      Armenia is a political and economic pygmy with no development prospects.
      Which is right. that's right, I agree. For years, Americans are being divorced.
      1. +3
        April 21 2023 21: 18
        Like me or not how, but which one up, what does this have to do with the question itself? Lenin terribly, fatally for the USSR screwed up, not finding any other way to appease the local "elites". This, alas, is a fact. Greedy, stupid and power-hungry "National Cadres" played a huge role in the stagnation and collapse of the USSR.
        Well, at the expense of the Turks. Development is underway. The Armenians have received a lot from Russia over the years, but instead of development, they went where they came. The result is on the face, and looks very ugly)
        They don't get divorced. Someone to breed, and there is no need. They just beg from everyone they can reach. Now the Americans get to beg for something? They achieved the desired result! The Armenian genius does not extend further)
  4. +2
    April 21 2023 08: 35
    In Moscow, apparently, they did not yet understand that the USSR was not eternal, therefore, guided by the theses about “friendship of peoples”, they gave the Armenians the right to implement the program.
    I would like to know the age of the author of the article in order to understand whether he wrote these lines because of his age or is he a provocateur?
    At that very time, the so-called "foremen of perestroika" were already fully deployed in their work to dismantle the USSR and did everything possible to collapse it, and in this case, what can accelerate the collapse of the empire? Correct inter-ethnic conflicts within the country.
  5. +2
    April 21 2023 08: 37
    Again sanctions! And what, what sanctions have not yet been introduced? It seems that all major banks are under sanctions, but there are none in Crimea. Why? So they are afraid of sanctions!!! There is no Russian Railways either, there is the Crimean Railway. There is no Russian post, there is a post of Crimea. Roskosmos also does not enter the Crimea. So it's like a government agency. Thanks, at least the police, the army and the FSB are there. So this is in the declared Russian territory !!! And what kind of Artsakh is there ..... What are you talking about? If we are so afraid of everything, why shout that we are big and strong? And for Artsakh, in general, no one wants to go under sanctions, though I don’t understand what else can be imposed!
  6. +12
    April 21 2023 08: 54
    What we have? And we have a small country with which we have no common borders, just as it has no access to the sea. Between us is a frankly unfriendly country, completely under the West - Georgia. So HOW can we help Armenia even if we wanted to??

    Well, cherry on top of small nuances - but are the Armenians themselves ready to fight for their country? Something doesn’t look very similar .. We don’t seem to owe them anything, they are not brothers like Serbs to us, and to be honest, Armenia’s policy has always been not very pro-Russian .. Armenians like to wag their priests, love. In addition, in the republic, in general, there is not a damn thing useful for us ..

    Strengthening of Turkey and Azerbaijan? Is this our headache? Indeed, in those parts there is another player whose interests are directly affected in this case - Iran. Moreover, since the time of the Achaemenids, Armenia has periodically arrived in various Persian states, they have historical ties ..

    So maybe - finally give Armenia to the care of Iran? And admit that this is not our headache? Spitting on this public, from which we have one hemorrhoids? And what's the point - with gulkin .. Well, you yourself understood ..
    1. +10
      April 21 2023 16: 27
      Quote: paul3390
      Well, cherry on top of small nuances - but are the Armenians themselves ready to fight for their country?

      Of course ready. From Russia to the last Russian. smile
      Quote: paul3390
      We don’t seem to owe them anything, they are not brothers like Serbs to us, and to be honest, Armenia’s policy has always been not very pro-Russian ..

      Hehehe...Armenia has a lot in common with Yugoslavia. So far, everything is fine - they forget about Russia and focus on the West. As soon as the polar fox comes - ah, bad Russia, why don't you save us?
    2. -5
      April 21 2023 20: 10
      Calm down ... To your (and possible customers of your posts ...) GREAT REGRET - FRIENDSHIP between Armenia and the Russian Federation will grow even further and MORE ... Do not fuss, Paul3390 .... Armenia will soon be in the Union (you know which one ...), and Artsakh (Karabakh) will become part of ... Guess from 3 attempts, if you are so smart ...
  7. +6
    April 21 2023 08: 56
    Why go there at all? Karabakh is a pygmy, there is nothing unique there without which we cannot live. Well, except perhaps the economic interests and family ties of "respected people" of Armenian nationality.
    In the end, the Armenians themselves surrendered Karabakh, they didn’t seriously fight, and after all Pashinyan’s maneuvers, should we get in there and give him on a silver platter? What can really useful Armenia offer us if we seriously get into this conflict and take the pro-Armenian side?
    The Armenian diaspora, as a percentage of the main population, is one of the largest in the world. Let the Armenians themselves work for the good of their Motherland if Karabakh is so dear to them.
    1. +4
      April 21 2023 13: 15
      Quote: Not the fighter
      In the end, the Armenians themselves surrendered Karabakh, they did not seriously fight, and after all the maneuvers


      And what could the Armenians with Kalashes do against the Bayraktars, who shot them from the air like hares in a shooting range?

      The Armenians turned out to be the same fools as ours, who all 8 years after the Minsk agreements laughed at the Ukrainians and said that they were soldiers like a bullet from shit. And we (like the Armenians) knew in advance that if anything, our army would crack its fist at the enemy, then there would be no wet place left of them.
    2. -4
      April 21 2023 20: 16
      """...Why even get in there?...""
      ---
      I doubt that this question will overpower your mind ... There are much smarter people in the Kremlin than you ... Although the same Kremlin sold Azerbaijan (long before Pashinyan ....) weapons against the Armenians of Karabakh (total is 120.000 CITIZENS , and in Azerbaijan - 9.000.000 inhabitants ...) for MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ... You probably "forgot" this ???
  8. +7
    April 21 2023 09: 12
    What economic interests of Russia in Artsakh can be written about if Russia did not recognize Artsakh? Thus, Russia considers Artsakh an Azerbaijani territory. Armenia also considers Artsakh an Azerbaijani territory in view of not recognizing its independence.
    1. +3
      April 21 2023 09: 37
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia did not recognize Artsakh

      So Armenia did not recognize Karabakh (Artsakh), Armenia only supported the independence of Karabakh, but did not legally recognize it, although the author erroneously writes:
      Russia has not yet recognized the sovereignty of the former autonomy, and now a self-proclaimed republic. Armenia recognized

      And in general, without a positive reaction from Azerbaijan, it makes no sense to invest in Karabakh hi
      1. 0
        April 21 2023 19: 19
        So this is the only really 100% Armenian region. They have always lived there. Therefore, Karabakh will not receive a single spear.
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  10. -1
    April 21 2023 13: 08
    In my opinion, the termination of the presence of Russian peacekeepers in Armenia is a matter of the near future. The whole of Armenia is wholly and completely under the West. After Pashinyan, there will definitely be his own Saakashvili.
    1. +4
      April 21 2023 20: 23
      Pashinyan is the greatest president in the entire history of the country: he lost the war, surrendered Karabakh and ... - remained the greatest ruler, whom the local natives lick as a great leader. fool
      This is what American freedom and democracy are doing! fellow

      Passed. The Parliament needs to sign, and... The Russians will leave, the last Armenians from Artsakh will RUIN. Well, eat, Armenians, your democratic choice. And then - France does not support, and Italy - too. What is Artsakh like for them?! fool
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  12. +2
    April 21 2023 19: 18
    In short, without Great Russian chauvinism and imperialism there is a pipe. Because when the Russians leave it is much worse than when they come. In another way, until someone exterminates someone, there will be no peace and normal life there.
    The question is different: why is all this Russian Ivan? First, he stands under the fragments of shop windows, separating all this brethren, fortunately, at least not understanding the abuse, and then they call him an occupier and imperialist. Although all the time only invested and invested in these "brothers". Maybe let them live? Life has already shown that the Armenians, as a state-forming people with brains, are a little tight. There was an opportunity to make life better. No. The arrogance won. Although here they all have, when they live in Russia, for some reason, their brains increase sharply. Normal, like, people. And at home .... Apparently, the place is cursed.
  13. +2
    April 21 2023 21: 46
    I have nothing bad either against the Armenians or against the Azerbaijanis, but now they are free peoples and let them sort things out among themselves. This is not our war. Russia can sell something to both sides.
  14. Owl
    +2
    April 22 2023 15: 27
    When there was a decision of the Authorities (not "friends-oligarchs"), Russian "volunteers" were in every detachment of the Karabakh "rebels", therefore they "squeezed out" even the ethnic Azerbaijani territory. There is no desire in Yerevan and Moscow, but there is a desire in Baku and Istanbul - this is the result: that "they took everything and gave it all away."
  15. 0
    April 27 2023 10: 26
    The ethnic and religious minority of Russian-speaking Molokans in Armenia is the third largest after Armenians and Yezidis,
    Well, yes. Third largest. There are still three or four thousand Molokans left in Armenia. Listed in the Red Book as an endangered species.
    And until the Lachin corridor is restored
    What's wrong with him? The ceasefire statement says
    The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of traffic along the Lachin corridor of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions.

    And the Statement speaks of Security !!!
    The Statement does not even mention unhindered movement along the Lachin corridor. However, even if it were said, it must be understood that the term "unhindered" is not at all synonymous with the term "uncontrolled". Any sovereign state has the right to conduct border and customs inspections at the entrance to its sovereign territory. Both Karabakh and the Lachin corridor are the territory of sovereign Azerbaijan. And I personally do not understand why the Armenian side does not want to comply with the rules adopted throughout the world and requires exceptions for itself.
    Yes, exceptions can be introduced. But only on the basis of mutual agreement between the two parties.
    For unhindered movement along the Lachin corridor, Azerbaijan should only ensure the presence of such a number of customs corridors so as not to create queues when passing through customs inspection. Only and everything.