Northern rivals of Columbus

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Northern rivals of Columbus
A replica of the Maine-built Viking ship Snorri passes by an island near L'Anse aux Meadows, North Carolina, in July 2000. The ship was named Snorr after the name the Vikings gave to the first child born in the New World. It is equipped with only a square sail and oars


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For anyone on the northern tip of Newfoundland, on the windswept coast of L'Anse aux Meadows Bay, it's hard to grasp the magnitude of the archaeological site that stretches around it. Here in L'Anse aux Meadows lies what is still the only known Scandinavian settlement in North America.




L'Anse aux Meadows is a UNESCO World Heritage Site that houses amazing archaeological finds from the Viking Age in North America

Just a few small mounds and bumps in the grass, an exact copy of the dwelling and a recently erected museum, fix the point of first contact between people living on opposite sides of the Atlantic. It is quite obvious to all those who are interested in the northern campaigns of the Vikings that this place is amazing, but its significance has been recognized by scientists only in relatively recent decades.


National historical L'Anse aux Meadows monument

A bit about the Viking Age


The campaigns of the Scandinavian Vikings have been exciting for several generations of people who are not indifferent to history, not only because they left behind a literary heritage in the form of a large number of sagas in the Old Norse language with many vivid and exciting adventure stories, but primarily because they played a significant role in history of Europe, founding new cities, monarchical dynasties and even entire countries ...


Sculptural composition of the Scandinavian god Odin with two Vikings. Digital work by Alexander Shagivaleev

The first years of the so-called. the Viking Age (VIII-XI centuries) - these are just the robber raids of the kings with their desperate squads on the coastal cities of Northern Europe. And one of the first signs of the expansion of the Vikings, which marked the beginning of the Viking Age, was the attack on Lindisfarne Monastery in 793, located in northern Northumbria (England) on the island of the same name.

Having landed on the island, a detachment of Scandinavians attacks the unguarded Lindisfarne Monastery. The Vikings kill its abbot and most of the monks involved in the census of books, and then rob and burn the monastery itself. It should be noted here that the famous Lindisfarne Gospel, containing the texts of the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and provided with rich illustrations, was created by the monks of this particular monastery.


Ruins of Lindisfarne Monastery. In 1537, during the Church Reformation, Henry VIII ordered it closed.

To quote from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for 793:

“In that year, terrible omens appeared in Northumbria, frightening and depressing the inhabitants: they were unusual lightnings, and fierce dragons were seen in the air. Soon after these signs there was a great famine, and a short time later in the same year, on the Ides of January, the pagans, having raided, destroyed the church of God in Lindisfarne, committed robbery and murder.

Every year the Scandinavian sea robbers are gaining more and more strength, and their new military expeditions amaze with their wide scope and audacity. And if at the very beginning of the Viking Age in European countries they were looked upon simply as robbers who quickly plunder and just as quickly swim away with the loot they looted, then starting from the XNUMXth century, just one prey is already not enough for them, and they begin to establish their own permanent presence in various territories and create a semblance of states.


Illustration from a XNUMXth-century chronicle titled Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus ("History of the Northern Peoples") by Olaus Magnus depicting a group of Scandinavians carrying their longship overland

This is how the French historian and specialist in the history of the countries of Northern Europe Regis Boyer* describes the end of the Viking Age in his book: “The Vikings. History and Civilization":

“Viking raids in the form of brief and single outbreaks still continued until the middle of the 1030th century, but for a number of reasons it can be assumed that the Viking phenomenon as such ended by 1050, at the latest by XNUMX. The conquest of England by William the Bastard, which some authors consider to be the extreme limit of this adventure, is no longer a Viking or Scandinavian phenomenon ... "

* This article describes attempts to settle and explore the newly discovered territories of Iceland, Greenland and the northeast coast of the American continent. It tells about the voyages of ancient Scandinavian sailors in the northern part of the Atlantic in search of new and suitable lands for further life ...

First European


The story goes that about a little over 1000 years ago, a Norwegian navigator and merchant, someone named Gunnbjorn Ulfson, heading from Norway to Iceland, lost his way due to a strong storm and saw a small group of islands beyond Iceland, which he modestly named after himself. - "Skerries of Gunnbjorn". It is still not known exactly what kind of islands they were, but they can definitely be attributed to a number of archipelagos located northeast of Greenland. He did not land on these islets, but he told others about them when he arrived in Iceland. And if the approximate localization of these seen archipelagos is correct, then Gunnbjorn Ulfson can be safely attributed to the first Europeans who saw the shores of the New World.

Note. Looking ahead, we can say about the first European born on the American continent - this is one Snorri, the son of the Icelandic navigator and adventurer Thorfinn Karlsefni and his wife Gudrid Thorbjarnardottir, who sailed from the western coast of Greenland on three ships with a squad of dashing Vikings to explore quite recently an open new land that promised them unheard-of riches.

Second European


Having heard the stories of Gunnbjorn Ulfson about the unknown land he saw in the west, in 978 an expedition to the west of the Icelandic coast was set up by a certain Snabjorn, nicknamed Borov, who was hiding from blood feud for a murder in Iceland. This desperate Icelander already had a rough idea of ​​where exactly the Gunnbjorn skerries were located.

Equipping a ship with the same desperate seeker of profit and adventure, a certain Hrolf, and recruiting a team, they set off on a journey and reached small islands, seen from afar by Gunnbjorn Ulfson. On one of these small islands they decided to spend the winter, but there was a quarrel between the participants of this trip over money, and Snaebjorn was killed by Hrolf, his companion.

The team that returned back to Iceland told everything to the hövding (tribal leader among the ancient Scandinavians) Thorkel, nicknamed Fringe, and he dealt with Hrolf and the second accomplice in the murder of Snabjorn with the help of a hired killer. A saga was even composed about this journey to the western lands, but, unfortunately, its text has not been preserved to this day.

It is worth paying attention to the fact that Snaebjorn and Gunnbjorn saw the islands belonging to North America, but not the mainland itself. The mainland itself was still discovered somewhat later.

Third European


Much of what we know about Eric Thorvaldson, aka Eric the Red, is taken from the Scandinavian sagas. He made such a name for himself thanks to his quick temper, propensity to explore the world and fiery red hair.


Eric the Red

Eric the Red may have entered the history of sea voyages as the father of another Viking explorer, Leif Erickson, who reached the very North American Newfoundland, but he is also remembered as the founder of the first known European settlement in North America - and all thanks to his violent temper. And perhaps he would never have discovered Greenland and founded settlements there if he had not been expelled from Iceland for two murders. According to the sagas describing his life, he was born in 950 in Norway, but his father Thorvald Asvaldsson was also accused of murder and was also expelled, only from Norway, from where he moved his family to western Iceland in the Hornstrandir region.

The earliest Scandinavian settlers settled in Iceland around 860, and by the time Eric and his father arrived from Norway almost a hundred years later, most of the land was already occupied.

Note. Before the arrival of the Norwegians on the island, Iceland (the country of Thule*) were inhabited by Irish monks, known as "Paparas", but they soon abandoned this infertile land and not very comfortable climate, and the pagan Norwegians arriving on the island did not make their stay there pleasant. And the settlement of Iceland by the Scandinavians began to occur in the XNUMXth century, when some families, after the unification of Norway, did not recognize Harald I as their king and came into conflict with him, were forced to leave Norway in search of a new place to live. A little later, immigrants from Iceland began to settle in Greenland, and these people were the first Europeans to see the North American continent. The emigration of disaffected people from Norway was so great that King Harald I the Fair-Haired* for fear of weakening the country, he tried to prevent the departure of his subjects by imposing a special exit tax on them.

And it was on this harsh and wild land that Eric the Red forged and, in the temper of his character, began to look more and more like his father.

After his father's death, Eric the Red marries a wealthy woman named Thjodhild Jorundsdottir, inherits her family's wealth, and becomes a wealthy and respected bondman in this small northern community. That was until his quick-tempered and belligerent temper got the best of him - he followed in the footsteps of his violent father, was outlawed and sentenced to exile for three years for several murders.

Note. According to Icelandic law, a person sentenced to exile was outlawed, he himself had to leave the island, and all his property was confiscated. If for some reason the person sentenced to exile did not manage to leave the island for three years, then his exile became already complete, and other residents were forbidden to help him with shelter, food or help in sailing from the island. Some researchers believe that the reason for Eric's departure from Iceland to the west was the unwillingness to become an outcast in Iceland.

Having gone into exile with his family from the Icelandic Breidfjord, on the shore of which he lived, Eric reached that mysterious land that the “first European” Gunnbjorn Ulfson saw to the west of Iceland and which he wanted to settle four years before, but without success, “ second European" - Snebjorn Borov, and Eric was also determined to populate this land.

In 983, rounding the southern tip of the island, later known as Cape Farewell (Grenl. Nunap Isua), Eric reached his goal at the southernmost tip of the fjord, now known as Tunulliarfik (or otherwise Eiriksfjord), and reached that part of the coast, which for the most part it seemed to him free of ice and, in his opinion, had climatic conditions similar to those of Iceland, promising wealth and prosperity in the future.


Eiriksfjord (Tunulliarfik)

Even while in exile, this fearless explorer drew a map of Greenland for three years and found areas most suitable for raising livestock, and in order to attract as many settlers as possible to the island, despite the cold climate, he named this place Greenland, which means "Green Land". I must say that in the summer on this coast you can actually see glades with flowering green grass. Here is how the "Saga of Eric the Red" tells about this event:

"He named it Greenland because he thought people would rather go to a country with a good name."

In 985 (according to other sources - in 986), the term of his exile ended, and Eric returned back to Iceland. His descriptions of the new land in the west were obviously so tempting that, after spending the winter in Iceland, he set off with a large number of colonists on 25 ships, of which only 14 reached Greenland safely, and founded two colonies there on its coast. These were the Eastern settlement (Eistribigd, modern Kakortok) and the Western (Vestribigd, modern Nuuk).

And although, according to the sagas, it is generally accepted that only 14 of these ships with 350 colonists on board got there safely, the settlement eventually grew to about 3 inhabitants in a short time and consisted of 000 farms, 190 churches, a male and female monastery. The Greenlandic settlers created their own free state with their own laws and courts, in no way dependent on their former mother countries - Iceland and Norway. But in 12 they had to submit to the Norwegian king
Hakon IV Hakonsson, and Greenland became part of the Norwegian kingdom.


Ruins of the Scandinavian stone church from Hvalsey, the best preserved in Greenland

Using the right of the discoverer of these lands, Eric declared himself the supreme leader of these settlements, allocated the most fertile plots of land for himself, and soon became the richest man on the island.

After settling in Vestribyggd, Eric sailed north along the western coast of Greenland, with the rest of the island being almost uninhabited land inhabited only by the Inuit (Eskimos). The fact that the Icelanders, who settled in Greenland, went far to the north, is evidenced by a rune stone found in the north-west of Greenland - the island of Kingigtorssuak.


Swimming of Eric the Red along the coast of Greenland

On this sparsely populated and harsh land, the new settlers mastered a small strip along the coast, mainly engaged in fishing and hunting. But after some time, unusually cold weather conditions set in in the new settlements, and some of the settlers returned back to Iceland (the last recorded trip between Iceland and Greenland was in 1410), and the rest of the settlers disappeared.

Regarding the disappearance of the first colonists, there are two versions - either the Inuit (Greenland Eskimos) attacked and exterminated all the settlers, which is not very reliable - the Inuit were and remain deeply peaceful people, or they died from epidemics and hunger.

Note. The re-colonization of Greenland began in the first half of the XNUMXth century after the creation of a union of two states - Denmark and Norway, which belonged to Greenland. Curiously, in these two countries bound by the union, it was still believed that the Norse settlements in Greenland survived, and they continued to claim sovereignty over the island, even despite the absence of any contacts between Greenland and the mainland ...

Eric the Red died in 1003 at the age of 53 on the land that became his second home and, according to legends that have come down to us, he was buried according to the pagan custom of the Vikings. Eric, although he did not reach the American continent, nevertheless he remains the first permanent European settler ...

Fourth European


In the Greenlandic village of Brattalid, with a population of just over fifty people, which today is known by the Greenlandic name of Kassiarsuk, a bronze statue of Leif Erickson was erected in memory of his amazing discoveries at the beginning of the second millennium. The commemorative statue is installed in the south of Greenland in the place where the legendary son of Eric the Red, who discovered and then settled Greenland, headed for the still unexplored lands of the West from his childhood home.


Monument to Leif Erickson, erected in the Greenlandic village of Brattalid

Traveling to these uncharted lands, called America five centuries later, made Leif Erickson, later nicknamed "Lucky", the first European to set foot and explore the east coast of the North American continent, in particular, those areas that are now part of the Arctic and Atlantic territory of Canada.

Note. A more detailed description of the campaigns of Leif Erickson is contained in two main sources - the Greenlanders Saga and the Eric the Red Saga, which are the main sources of information about the discovery of America. There are also small references to these events in Olaf Tryggvason's Saga and St. Olaf's Saga. But here we must not forget that the sagas are just generalizing oral narrative works about significant events, passed down from generation to generation until they were recorded in Iceland only in the XIII-XIV centuries, which means that they have only visible authenticity. . And this means that all the details of sea voyages in the process of oral transmission must be subject to some changes, so one should not rely on the description of the details in these narratives.

So who was this Leif Erickson? And he was the son of Eric the Red, the same "third European" and the founder of the first European settlement in the territory that is now called Greenland.

From the Saga of Erik the Red, we know that Leif, who was born in Iceland around 970, sailed to Greenland with his father, who was expelled from Iceland into exile for murder, and lived there in his father's estate (Eastern Settlement) until about 1000, after which he arrived in Norway on business, where he spent the winter at the court of King Olaf I Trygvason (a former pupil of the Kiev prince Vladimir) and there, at the insistence of the king, he adopted the Christian faith.

And when Leif announced his intention to return back to Greenland, Olaf I provided him with a priest and ordered him to convert all the inhabitants to Christianity, and in the spring of 1000, before Leif sailed, the Norwegian king Olaf I sent through him in a message to the Vikings living in Greenland, his call to accept Christianity.

Following the orders of the Norwegian king Olaf I, Leif brought a Christian bishop to Greenland, who converted his mother to the Christian faith, which was followed by many other Greenlanders, but his father, Eric the Red, dissatisfied with the actions of his son, said that he "brought a rogue”, so he called the priest and remained a pagan until his death.

Note. Many researchers doubt that Christianity arrived in Greenland so early, believing that it must have arrived at least a decade or more after Leif's visit to Norway, but archaeological evidence from a Greenlandic settler colony clearly points to the existence of a Christian church and a nearby cemeteries that people were buried according to the Christian rite since the end of the tenth century. In addition, it can be assumed that, apart from Leif Erickson's own religious beliefs, the friendship between him and King Olaf and the position that Leif received with the support of the Norwegian king are sufficient to explain why he could take on this religious mission.

After returning from Norway to Greenland, Leif heard the story of an Icelander named Bjarni Herjulfson, who said that he saw, far to the west, the outlines of some land covered with forests, which from afar looked habitable. Leif was interested in this story of Herjulfson, and he decided to go on a journey himself and explore unknown lands.

Leif buys a ship from Bjarni Herjulfson, recruits a crew of 35 and asks his father Eric the Red to lead the expedition, but his horse stumbles under Eric and he falls to the ground. After that, deciding that this is a bad omen, Eric passes the command of the expedition to his son Leif:

“It is not my destiny to find another new land, except for this one. It looks like we can't swim together anymore."

The first land that the travelers reached had a flat and rocky mountainous landscape, all covered with a glacier. Leif called this land Helluland (Flat earth). Modern researchers believe that the largest island of modern Canada, Baffin Island, is most suitable for such a definition.

Leif named the second land they encountered on their way Markland (Borderland). This land was low-lying and wooded and is described as similar to the Labrador Peninsula.

Continuing on their way, they sailed to the next island lying to the south, where they disembarked, deciding to stay here for the winter and build houses.


The places turned out to be rich in fish, and livestock did not even require fodder for the winter, because local frosts did not destroy the grass. In addition, after a closer examination of the island, it was discovered that vines grow here, so Leif called this land Vinland ("Country of Grapes"). Apparently, this was the coast of the island of Newfoundland, not far from the modern town of L'Anse-aux-Meadows, where the first settlement was founded and where the Vikings stayed for the winter.

Note. A curious observation about the name "Vinland" is made by Regis Boyer* in his book Vikings. History and Civilization":

The first question is whether it contains "Vin" - a long "and" or "and" short. If this “i” is long, then the name of the country should be understood as “Land of Grapes”, if “i” is short, then “Land of Meadows”.

Leif and his companions spent the whole winter on the territory of Vinland discovered by him, where the sailors built a small settlement of wooden huts and modestly named after Leif - Leifsbudir, after wintering there, they returned to Greenland.


Painting "Leif Eirikson Discovers America". Author: Christian Krogh, 1893

In winter, after Leif returns from a distant expedition, his father, Eric the Red, dies, and Leif becomes the hövding (supreme leader) of Greenland. Leif Erikson was last mentioned alive in 1018 in the Saga of St. Olaf, according to the Saga of the Named Brothers, by 1025 the rule of Eiriksfjord passed to his son Thorkel ...

* The "Greenlanders Saga" tells that already next year, following in the footsteps of Leif, having recruited a team of 30 people and on his own ship, his younger brother, Torvald, set off on his way to the West. Starting to explore the land discovered by Leif, they found that this area was rich in forest, and on one small island they even noticed wild wheat. But Torvald's expedition was unsuccessful. Having reached Vinland, he found the village of Leifsbudir and spent the whole winter and summer there, after which he moved north and, rounding the cape, which he called Kjalarnes (modern Labrador), met with the Screlings*, in a skirmish with which he was killed by an arrow fired at him.

The Icelandic sagas describe the appearance of the Skrelings:

“Short, ugly men with sparse hair on their heads were sitting in leather boats. They had big eyes and high cheekbones. They considered the Scandinavian aliens for some time, and then sailed south, skirting the cape. One spring, a lot of natives appeared. They signaled by signs that they had come for a trade exchange, and explained that they would like to exchange raw skin for red cloth: raw deer skin was offered for a ribbon of red cloth. The natives tied a red ribbon around their heads.

In addition to the above, it must be added that another expedition was sent to the country of Vinland by the third and youngest son of Eric the Red, Thorstein, who wanted to take the body of his brother and take him home. He managed to recruit a team of twenty-five people and go with them to Vinland, but in the winter an epidemic of some kind of disease spread among the crew, from which many sailors from the team died, including Thorstein himself.

What does archeology say?


Until the second half of the 60s of the last century, Viking voyages to North America were known only thanks to the Icelandic sagas, which are the pride of Scandinavian medieval literature. But that was before Norwegian explorer Helge Markus Ingstad and his wife, archaeologist Ann Stein Ingstad, discovered the first Viking settlement on the island of Newfoundland at L'Anse aux Meadows. This site, which later became a UNESCO World Heritage Site, has been the site of extensive archaeological work that has yielded much information about the first Viking settlement, and wood analysis of half-timbered buildings in Newfoundland shows that the settlement was built by Scandinavians 471 years before Columbus's voyage.


Helge Markus Ingstad with his wife, archaeologist Ann Stein Ingstad

Based on the analysis carried out by scientists, it can be assumed that the Newfoundland settlement of L'Anse aux Meadows existed approximately between the end of the 90s and 1050. Such an assumption was based on a careful analysis of the architectural remains and several artifacts found, in particular a bronze cloak pin and iron nails, explored after the Viking settlement was discovered. And this all coincides with the narrations of the Icelandic sagas, which were written down only in the XNUMXth century.


This cloak pin is one of the testimonies of Scandinavian presence in the North Atlantic over 1000 years ago. L'Anse aux Meadows Museum, Newfoundland

And here is what the British The Guardian writes (October 21, 2021), based on research published in the authoritative general scientific journal Nature:

“The logs, which still have bark, were from trees that survived the solar storm and were recovered from the excavation site. Such solar storms are reflected in the growth rings of trees. In all three samples, 28 growth rings were formed after the one on which the traces of the storm were imprinted, which means that the trees were cut down in 1021 AD ...
... There was also evidence that the trees were cut down by the Vikings.
“They have all been modified with metal tools, as can be seen from their characteristically clean, low-angled cutouts. At that time, such tools simply could not be made by the indigenous inhabitants of this land, ”says a study by scientists from the University of Groningen in the Netherlands.”

This date corroborates two Icelandic sagas, the Greenlander Saga and the Eric the Red Saga, which record attempts to establish a settlement in Vinland by a Viking named Leif Erickson.

Memories of Leif Erickson


1887. Boston, Massachusetts. Sculpture of Anna Whitney, erected with the assistance of Norwegian musician Ole Bull. The monument is located in the Charlesgate East area and symbolizes the connection between America and Scandinavia.

1887. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The monument in Milwaukee is a replica of the Anna Whitney monument in Boston. The monument was erected on the shores of Lake Michigan in November 1887. In 2003, with the support of the lodge "Sons of Norway Vosselingen", lighting was added to the monument.

1893. Chicago, Illinois. Norwegian painter Christian Krohg painted the famous painting Leif Eirikson Discovers America.

1901. Chicago, Illinois. Sculpture by Norwegian-American sculptor Sigvald Asbjørnsen located in the park.

1931. Reykjavik, Iceland. Statue created by Alexander Sterling Calder and donated to Iceland by the US government to commemorate the 1000th anniversary of the Althing in Iceland, the world's oldest parliament.

1938. Newport News, Virginia. A 12-foot replica of the Reykjavík monument donated to the United States by the Icelandic National League in the United States and displayed at the 1939 New York World's Fair. Located in The Mariners' Museum, which is visited by thousands of people every year.

1949. Saint Paul, Minnesota. The 13-foot monument to Lave Eirikson, erected on the grounds of the State Capitol, sculpted by John Carl Daniels.

1956. Duluth, Minnesota. A copy of the statue located in Boston.

1962. Seattle, Washington. A 16-foot sculpture by August Werner on the Shilshole pier.

1968. A 6-cent stamp honoring Leif Erickson has been issued in the United States.

1997. Trondheim, Norway. A 10-foot replica of the Seattle sculpture by August Werner was donated to the city in honor of its 1000th anniversary. The funds were raised by the Leif Erickson Society in Seattle from donations in honor of the immigrants whose names were inscribed on the base of the statue.

1993. Minot, North Dakota. Bronze sculpture by Arlen Evenson, unveiled October 12, 1993 with the support of the Icelandic Heritage Society at Minot Scandinavian Heritage Park.

2000. Eiriksstadir, Iceland. A small bronze statue of Leif Erikson standing on the prow of a ship by Icelandic sculptor Nina Samundsson. It was installed in 2000 in the estate of Erik the Red in Iceland and at the birthplace of Leif, to mark the millennium of Leif Erikson's trip to North America.

2000. Brattalid (Kassiarsuk), Greenland. The second 10-foot replica of the sculpture from Seattle by August Werner, unveiled at Leif Erickson's home and farm to commemorate the 1000th anniversary of his journey. Funding was provided by the Leif Erikson International Foundation of Seattle and the governments of Denmark, Norway and Greenland.

2001. Cleveland, Ohio. Bust of Leif Erickson from Seattle Sculpture by August Werner. Cast at the Riverdog Foundry in Seattle, Washington under Philip Levin. Funds raised by Emily Knuth-Hansen, organizer of the American North Coast Millennium Committee by Leif Erickson.

2003. Seattle, Washington. Second bust of Leif Erickson from the Seattle Sculpture by August Werner. Donated by "Leif Erickson Lodge of the Sons of Norway" in Ballard in honor of its 100th anniversary by the donors Christian Berg and Lilian Hagen.

2013. L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland. The third and final copy of the sculpture in Seattle, installed near Vinland, on the site of Leif Erickson's alleged homestead. It was cast at Valley Bronze in Joseph, Oregon, under the direction of renowned Seattle sculptor Philip Levin.

В 1963 In 1964, Congressmen Hubert Humphrey and John Blatnick introduced bills to celebrate Leif Erickson Day throughout the country, and in XNUMX the US Congress unanimously passed this bill.

Information


* Regis Boyer (1932–2017). French literary critic, historian and translator, specialized in Scandinavian literature and the Viking Age. Professor at the Sorbonne.

*Thule. The northern island of legends, described by the Greek traveler Pytheas, the first of the Greeks to travel along the coast of Northern Europe. In ancient times, he was considered a swindler and a liar. During the Middle Ages, Thule was often identified with Iceland and the Faroe Islands.

* Harald I Fair-Haired (850–933). The protagonist of the "Saga of Harald Fairhair". First king of Norway (r. 872–930), who united the scattered communities of Norway. According to the sagas, Harald vowed not to comb his hair until Norway was united. For this he was nicknamed "Shaggy". After the unification of Norway, he began to call himself "Fair-haired".

*Screelings. The name of the peoples that the Vikings used for the natives of Greenland, and later Vinland. The etymology of this word is not entirely clear, however, according to some hypotheses, it means a savage or barbarian. According to the ancient Icelandic sagas, the Vikings considered the Screlings to be a hostile people.

Literature
1. A. V. Zimmerling "Icelandic Sagas"
2. H. Arbman "Vikings"
3. R. Leif Boyer “Vikings. History and Civilization»
4. M. Farley. "From the Aryans to the Vikings, or Who Discovered America"
5. I. Helge "In the footsteps of the Happy"
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  1. +19
    April 21 2023 06: 01
    Sculptural composition of the Scandinavian god Odin with two Vikings. Digital work by Alexander Shagivaleev

    Dear author, these are 6 inch viking figures of the American company "king of toys" Louis Mars.
    Issue of the early 60s. In the 70s, the form for their release was acquired by the USSR. Since that time, they have been produced at the Donetsk Toy Factory, the famous DZI. The dream of all the boys of the USSR. Nowadays, they are produced by the firm Ark model. hi
    1. +12
      April 21 2023 06: 20
      Dear author, these are 6 inch viking figures of the American company "king of toys" Louis Mars.
      Issue of the early 60s. In the 70s, the form for their release was acquired by the USSR. Since that time, they have been produced at the Donetsk Toy Factory, the famous DZI. The dream of all the boys of the USSR. Nowadays, they are produced by the firm Ark model.

      Absolutely agree!!!
      My respect, Edward!
    2. +6
      April 21 2023 06: 42
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      This is a 6 inch viking figures of the American company "king of toys" Louis Mars

      Does this somehow contradict the image of the Vikings?
      1. +6
        April 21 2023 06: 49
        Does this somehow contradict the image of the Vikings?
        Absolutely contrary!
        1. +1
          April 21 2023 06: 51
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Absolutely contrary!

          Can you tell me what?
          1. 0
            April 21 2023 06: 55
            Quote: Luminman
            Can you tell me what?

            Well, a helmet with horns all the same, no matter what, next to Odin it can crawl through))) But that everything without shields is already yes-ah-ah ...
            1. +4
              April 21 2023 07: 03
              Quote from Bingo
              But that's all without shields

              There are also no blue eyes and red hair.
              It's just a stylized sculpture...
            2. +4
              April 21 2023 07: 03
              Can you tell me what?

              Well, a helmet with horns all the same, no matter what, next to Odin it can crawl through))) But that everything without shields is already yes-ah-ah ...


              It's the early 60's! For example, I have 6 inch 1963!
              Of course - feathers on helmets, funny. But when was it!
              hi
            3. +2
              April 23 2023 16: 00
              Okay, without shields (maybe they left it in a longship) - but why without pants ??? In that climate!
          2. +10
            April 21 2023 07: 21
            1. There were no "winged" and "horned" helmets.
            2. There were no shirts with short sleeves.
            3. There were no "one-and-a-half", and even more so "long swords".
            And in general, this Odin resembles a comic book character about Asterix and Obelix.
            1. +2
              April 21 2023 09: 15
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              And in general, this Odin resembles a comic book character about Asterix and Obelix

              I wanted to answer you, but an approximate answer is already in the comments:

              Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
              After all, they painted in the 16th century, then the execution of Christ was depicted with Roman soldiers in full Milanese armor
              1. +2
                April 21 2023 10: 00
                The monument was not made in the sixteenth century ...
                1. +3
                  April 21 2023 10: 58
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  The monument was not made in the sixteenth century ...

                  Do you think that knowledge about the Scandinavians in our century will be better than in the sixteenth century? Well maybe a little better...
            2. +3
              April 21 2023 10: 23
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              One resembles a comic book character

              I wonder what animal owned the horn in the mouth of one of the figurines? Turu? smile
              1. +4
                April 21 2023 11: 11
                I wonder what animal owned the horn in the mouth of one of the figurines? Turu?
                Jormungang!)))
            3. -3
              April 21 2023 11: 21
              My poet, bravo. They accurately noted that the character is from a comic book, but the author may object: there is no portrait of Odin
            4. +6
              April 21 2023 12: 31
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              And in general, this Odin resembles a comic book character about Asterix and Obelix.

              In general, they are much more similar to the Gauls. hi
            5. +5
              April 21 2023 20: 04
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              1. There were no "winged" and "horned" helmets.
              2. There were no shirts with short sleeves.
              3. There were no "one-and-a-half", and even more so "long swords".
              And in general, this Odin resembles a comic book character about Asterix and Obelix.

              Hi all!
              In this particular case, the opposite is more likely!!!
    3. +3
      April 21 2023 06: 43
      My respect, Edward!
      In my opinion, the "figurine with a horn", that is to say "trumpeter", was reproduced only in 1/36 scale...
      1. +5
        April 21 2023 07: 01
        Anton mutually!
        No, with Marx, with a horn only 15 cm. 54 mm, an analogue of 6 inch but not exact copies, no with a horn. It was Marx's play set: a castle, Viking figurines... and oops, there are 15 century knights. But... the 60s all the same. In the 90s 54 mm. Vikings were re-released at Marx equipment in Mexico, and unlike the green originals, these are red.
        Today, the Alex Moscu company has released a complete analogue of the 6 inch, but the figures are 70 mm. and dyed.
        hi
        1. +4
          April 21 2023 07: 26
          Today, the Alex Moscu company has released a complete analogue of the 6 inch, but the figures are 70 mm. and dyed.
          The format is kinda weird...
          1. +6
            April 21 2023 07: 32
            Today, the Alex Moscu company has released a complete analogue of the 6 inch, but the figures are 70 mm. and dyed.
            The format is kinda weird...

            No Anton, this was a very popular format in Germany.
            The king among the soldiers, the Elastolin company is all in 70 mm or 1:25.
            Feast for the eyes:
            1. +3
              April 21 2023 08: 05
              Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
              No Anton, this was a very popular format in Germany.
              The king among the soldiers, the Elastolin company is all in 70 mm or 1:25.
              Feast for the eyes:

              What are these Vikings? Vikings didn't fight on horseback. Before the battle, they dismounted from their horses and fought on foot.
              1. +3
                April 21 2023 10: 39
                No Anton, this was a very popular format in Germany.
                The king among the soldiers, the Elastolin company is all in 70 mm or 1:25.
                Feast for the eyes:
                What are these Vikings? Vikings didn't fight on horseback. Before the battle, they dismounted from their horses and fought on foot.

                Well, why literally, I’m just as an example, although these are the Normans from Bayo, the best series on this score from what has ever been done in the world of soldiers. hi
                1. +1
                  April 21 2023 19: 51
                  Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
                  Why, literally

                  Someday I'll get together and write an article about the Vikings. Because this topic has interested me since childhood.
        2. +6
          April 21 2023 09: 53
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          Marx, with a horn only 15 cm. 54 mm, an analogue of 6 inch but not exact copies, no with a horn. It was Marx's play set: a castle, Viking figurines... and oops, there are 15 century knights. But... the 60s all the same. In the 90s 54 mm. Vikings were re-released at Marx equipment in Mexico, and unlike the green originals, these are red.

          For some reason, the "severe classic" introduced himself, lovingly painting the figures of soldiers. And his friend Engels, gluing tank models. laughing
          Greetings Edward! hi
          1. +5
            April 21 2023 10: 40
            For some reason, the "severe classic" introduced himself, lovingly painting the figures of soldiers. And his friend Engels, gluing tank models. laughing
            Greetings Edward!

            Greetings!!!!! drinks
    4. +6
      April 21 2023 09: 29
      A little to the side. Yes Yes. But 60-mm figurines were quoted more (Vikings, Romans, pirates, etc.), with which it was possible to arrange battles together with Soviet-made semi-flat soldiers. By the way. Chess was also included in the battle, built in Roman cohorts.
    5. +10
      April 21 2023 10: 19
      Greetings, Edward.
      Recently I was walking along Povarsky Lane in St. Petersburg and saw a sign for a toy soldier shop. I went. Fucked up. Came out. Smoked. Materno wept over his lost childhood and moved on. smile
      1. +6
        April 21 2023 10: 34
        Michael welcome!
        Yes, there is a notable "secret" store on Povarskaya. When I'm in St. Petersburg ... oh, when! I will always look into it, there is always something to dig out good
        Here, world brands are still collecting and collecting everything, and here ours, well done, I know many personally, they stamp without stopping. Woe to collectors hi
        I have a lot of soldiers very well preserved from childhood, many people ask: how, how?
        Something like that. Although he played with them non-stop.
        hi
      2. +5
        April 21 2023 12: 33
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Materno wept over his lost childhood and moved on

        I still have a set of cowboys, a set of Indians and a set of Papuans and 1 Viking! hi
        1. +6
          April 21 2023 13: 28
          And in the 90s I gave everyone to the children of acquaintances and relatives. Now the "toad" is choking laughing .haha
          1. +5
            April 21 2023 20: 00
            Quote: bandabas
            And in the 90s I gave everyone to the children of acquaintances and relatives. Now the "toad" is choking. Haha

            There was such a topic, to give toys to the younger ones. For example, a friend two years older than me gave me soldiers. He said: I'm already an adult, take my toys .... And I gave my toys to the children in the same way.
            1. 0
              April 27 2023 16: 13
              Likewise. Strangles in the sense ... Nostalgia good
  2. +4
    April 21 2023 06: 27
    Illustration from a XNUMXth-century chronicle titled Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus ("History of the Northern Peoples") by Olaus Magnus depicting a group of Scandinavians carrying their longship overland

    I'm interested in this engraving. In principle, everything is normal and historical (if you do not notice the curved blades of the "Saxons"), but why do the characters have studded shoe covers?
    Thank you, colleague!
    1. +6
      April 21 2023 06: 45
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      why do the characters have studded shoe covers?

      I'm curious about this too. Maybe the artist saw the Vikings this way? The boat they carry is also not very similar to a classic drakkar ...
      1. +2
        April 21 2023 06: 59
        Quote: Luminman
        The boat they carry is also not very similar to a classic drakkar ...

        They had many boats. Drakkar is not one of them. They also had trading killer whales and even for funerals. This is just for the funeral, most likely.
    2. +5
      April 21 2023 06: 52
      Anton,
      good morning.
      These are spikes on shoes, so as not to slip, they were attached with straps. Now there is no time to find material. Many finds in Rus'. They are considered a hallmark of Scandinavian burials.
      hi
      1. +2
        April 21 2023 07: 00
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        These are spikes on shoes so as not to slip.

        Why do they need thorns in the summer? (trees with leaves are clearly visible in the background)
        1. +4
          April 21 2023 07: 28
          These are spikes on shoes so as not to slip.

          Why do they need thorns in the summer? (trees with leaves are clearly visible in the background)

          it’s false to say something “for the artist”, maybe HE SEES SO? laughing
          Maybe something with the soil or the earth's firmament?
          Maybe frosts, but the trees are green?
          All the same, the climate is different in those latitudes from ours ... judging by the films.
          Although, being in winter in America or Iceland, I didn’t find any special differences: it’s cold laughing
          Do not find fault with medieval artists, this is definitely not a period of photographic accuracy.
          In Europe, it didn’t go anywhere, but according to our miniatures ... or icons of the century, so the XVI century. - quite a problem.
          But this is a different story.
          hi
          1. +4
            April 21 2023 08: 50
            Edward, good morning! hi Indeed, another story. laughing How many "stories" have been composed on this occasion. laughing
          2. +6
            April 21 2023 09: 18
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Do not find fault with medieval artists, this is definitely not a period of photographic accuracy

            It's like that. This miniature also depicts something utter... wink
        2. +2
          April 21 2023 07: 35
          Quote: Luminman
          Why do they need thorns in the summer?

          Clay + rain = ice rink. For example Yes
        3. +1
          April 22 2023 01: 29
          Quote: Luminman
          Why do they need thorns in the summer? (trees with leaves are clearly visible in the background)


          Because even in the natural landscapes of Scandinavia there are many types of evergreens (landscape designers even compile a special Scandinavian design from them). The Vikings are cold - they are all in hats and sheepskin coats, but the spherical shape of the tree crown resembles an ordinary mistletoe, which is green in winter.
    3. +5
      April 21 2023 08: 52
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      In principle, everything is normal and historical (if you do not notice the curved blades of the "Saxons"),

      These are not Saxons at all - neither the hilt nor the blade match. After all, they painted in the 16th century, then the execution of Christ was depicted with Roman soldiers in full Milanese armor. Yes, and it’s unrealistic to wear a drakkar, it’s heavy - they dragged it.
      In general - "Rabinovich sang."
  3. +4
    April 21 2023 06: 43
    Ihihih))) They forgot to mention Garrison's fantastic saga)))
    1. +6
      April 21 2023 06: 47
      Quote from Bingo
      Garrison's fantastic saga forgot to mention

      I read it at school, read it as a cadet, read it in a later period. After this article, I want to read more ... wink
  4. +4
    April 21 2023 07: 21
    I remembered the book by A. Volkov "Trail behind the stern", its fourth part.
  5. +4
    April 21 2023 08: 17
    Quote: Luminman
    The boat they carry is also not very similar to a classic drakkar ...


    And on the boat too. Drakkar - not a very small ship for sea voyages, could take a hundred people on board. And this is just a boat, nothing more, and a punt is for the river.
  6. +2
    April 21 2023 08: 20
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    This is just for the funeral, most likely.


    Then there would be a blind man lying in it. It is not visible, but there are many weapons. Just carrying ammunition along with the boat itself.
    1. +2
      April 21 2023 20: 32
      Quote: Illanatol
      Then there would be a blind man lying in it. It is not visible, but there are many weapons. Just carrying ammunition along with the boat itself.

      And ... They also had a freeze-up. So they moved their boats.
  7. +3
    April 21 2023 08: 40
    Good morning everyone. Today there is something to read, but yesterday it was complete, emptiness. Nothing interesting for me
    The author, the family of Eric the Red, ended on Thorstein? I got it right
    1. +6
      April 21 2023 09: 13
      Quote from lisikat2
      genus Eric the Red, ended on Thorstein?

      After the death of Leif Erickson, the son of Eric the Red, Greenland was ruled by the son of Leif, Torchel (Red's grandson). Nothing more was heard from them. Some researchers, however, mention some woman, allegedly the daughter of Eric the Red, who was worth ten Vikings alone, and who also sailed to America and left offspring, but all this is somehow cloudy ...
      1. +1
        April 21 2023 20: 38
        "one cost 10 Vikings" a restless family.
        Instead of blood, mercury fulminate.
        And tell them they're calm
  8. +5
    April 21 2023 09: 23
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    And in general, this Odin resembles a comic book character about Asterix and Obelix


    And this miniature reminds me of a drawing of some imbecile with heads disproportionate to the ship. Nothing can be done - this is how medieval artists saw the world ... wink
  9. +6
    April 21 2023 10: 06
    It is noteworthy how differently the Vikings behaved in Western Europe, in Eastern Europe and in America. In one place they mainly robbed, in another they traded, in a third they built. But they were the same people.
    Still, it is interesting why the Scandinavian colonies in America never developed into something more than just small settlements. In Iceland, the conditions were in any way more severe, but they remained there, and left America. As far as I understand, there are no traces of the war in their settlements, so the destruction of the colony by the locals does not work as an explanation.
    1. +4
      April 21 2023 10: 54
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      In one place they mainly robbed, in another they traded, in a third they built

      At the very first stage, they simply robbed, then they combined robbery with trade. Well, then they began to form some kind of semblance of states - Denlo in England, Rus', Ireland, Scotland, Normandy and something in Southern Italy ...

      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Still, I wonder why the Scandinavian colonies in America never developed into something more.

      A difficult question, although there is an unconvincing opinion that they were driven from there by local Indians ...
    2. +4
      April 21 2023 14: 45
      You can be sure that if the Inuit had something to take, they would have been robbed. But what to take from the Eskimo, except for the skins?
      And such duality (or even trinity) is generally characteristic of humanity. Any merchant, in antiquity, in the Middle Ages, in modern times, could turn into a pirate at any moment. If there was a strong enemy...
      1. +4
        April 21 2023 15: 20
        Quote: Zvonarev
        But what to take from the Eskimo, except for the skins?

        Like what? And the earth? It will be more expensive than some skins there ...
  10. +1
    April 21 2023 10: 13
    Even while in exile, this fearless explorer spent three years drawing a map of Greenland.

    Did the Vikings know cartography?
    1. +4
      April 21 2023 10: 48
      Quote: sergej_84
      Did the Vikings know cartography?

      Cartography was known in the ancient world.
      And if you dig further, then even earlier ...
      1. +4
        April 21 2023 11: 10
        Let us leave the cartography of the ancient world to the Greeks. Regarding the Viking maps - are there any documentary evidence or references at least in the sagas?
        1. +5
          April 21 2023 11: 18
          Quote: sergej_84
          Is there any documentary evidence or references at least in the sagas?

          The fact that he marked the coast is in the sagas. Another thing, as noted - is unknown. Skin or tree bark...
          1. +1
            April 21 2023 11: 32
            "skin or bark" then it would be better to formulate: what did you mark on?
            1. +6
              April 21 2023 11: 52
              Quote: Astra wild2
              "skin or bark" then it would be better to formulate: what did you mark on?

              Even the skalds could not formulate this... wink
              1. +3
                April 21 2023 13: 53
                Theoretically, it can be everything: tree bark, animal skin, even a clay shard, but most likely, tree bark. At that time they did not know yet: the shortage of forests. It is now that we rejoice when we break out of the city, and then civilization was just emerging.
                Now I caught myself thinking: most of us will not be able to live without the benefits of civilization. The Internet is needed, and if the Internet, then electricity is also needed. And there, a refrigerator and a washing machine and an iron and a personal car have long been no longer a luxury item, but an urgent need
                1. +3
                  April 21 2023 19: 15
                  Quote from lisikat2
                  and iron and personal

                  I can give you as many as three irons. I don't need them, but they are at home.
          2. +3
            April 21 2023 12: 47
            The fact that he marked the coast is in the sagas. Another thing, as noted - is unknown. Skin or tree bark...

            The fact that the Vikings used coastal landmarks for navigation is indeed noted in the Scandinavian manuscripts, at least in the "Book of Hauk" we can find the following instructions for navigation:
            From Hernam in Norway, head straight west to Hvarf in Greenland and you'll sail north of Hjaltland so you can only catch a glimpse of it in clear weather, but south of the Faroe Islands so the sea is right between the distant mountains, which means and south of Iceland.

            But this is already the beginning of the XIV century. And here is the information about it. that the Vikings somehow recorded their navigational observations in writing, on bark, skin, stone, no.
            1. +4
              April 21 2023 13: 51
              Quote: sergej_84
              The fact that the Vikings used coastal landmarks for navigation is indeed noted.

              They used not only coastal landmarks. For example, if you believe the sagas, then they had a so-called. sun stoneCapable of capturing polarized sunlight in heavy cloud cover. For an example, to understand this, try to photograph some object against the sun, which is covered with heavy clouds.

              Quote: sergej_84
              From Hernam in Norway, head straight west to Hvarf in Greenland and you will sail north of Hjaltland

              That week I was explaining to a man how to get to my house in a convenient way. Explained. Although I could get my phone and show it on the map, but it was more convenient for me ...

              Quote: sergej_84
              And here is the information about it. that the Vikings somehow fixed their navigational observations in writing, on bark, skin, stone, no

              This is not. But the first thing that comes to a person’s mind, if he is not just upright, but also thinking and finds himself in an unfamiliar place, is to somehow fix his movement. For example, in the forest, as we were told at school, to make serifs ...

              I read one article on this subject. On a wooden board, they made some kind of notches after a certain period of time, fixing the departure and final destination. Of course, noting the position of the sun and stars and taking into account the direction of the wind. The article was written in English and abounded in special terms and some kind of maritime jargon, which I didn’t understand more than half of it, although before that I thought that nothing was impossible for me in English vocabulary ...
              1. +2
                April 21 2023 17: 16
                For example, if you believe the sagas, then they had a so-called. a sunstone capable of capturing polarizing sunlight in heavy cloudiness.

                Viking polarimetric navigation is a very interesting topic for an article. Discussions on this issue have been going on for many years, since the Danish archaeologist and archaeoastronomer Thorkild Ramskoe put forward this hypothesis in 1967.
  11. +1
    April 21 2023 10: 17
    therefore Leif called this land Vinland ("Land of Grapes"). Apparently, this was the coast of the island of Newfoundland

    It was always not entirely clear: firstly, was there really grapes in Newfoundland? and secondly, even if he was, how could people living in Iceland and Greenland identify him (it is unlikely that any of them saw him)?
    1. +4
      April 21 2023 10: 33
      Quote: Mihaylov
      hardly any of them saw him

      Why not? Some of the participants in the campaign could well have visited Europe before. They were very crazy - these Vikings.
      Although, personally, in my opinion, the name "Vinland" directly indicates that there were already computers in America at that time and they had "Windows" installed on them.
      1. +2
        April 21 2023 10: 48
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Some of the participants in the campaign could well have visited Europe before.

        In principle, of course he could. But how similar are cultivated grapes to wild grapes? Maybe someone understands - can clarify.
        And about the growth of wild grapes in Newfoundland, as I understand it, there are serious doubts. hi
        1. +3
          April 21 2023 11: 17
          Quote: Mihaylov
          about the growth of wild grapes in Newfoundland, as I understand it, there are serious doubts.

          Actually, as far as I understand, the hypothesis about the growth of such grapes there is based on the saga. smile
        2. +6
          April 21 2023 11: 25
          But how similar are cultivated grapes to wild grapes?


          Wild grape Vitis riparia.

          Wild grape Vitis californica.
          1. +4
            April 21 2023 11: 28
            Quote: sergej_84
            Wild grape Vitis californica.

            Wow, I never would have thought that they were the same person ... laughing
        3. +4
          April 21 2023 13: 58
          And about the growth of wild grapes in Newfoundland, as I understand it, there are serious doubts.

          AAA...i.e. cognac is not real, but apples, were they apples? At least Calvados? laughing
          1. +5
            April 21 2023 14: 14
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            those. cognac is not real,

            HE is real! hi
            And there were apples: an early Newfoundland variety laughing
        4. +3
          April 21 2023 14: 01
          The climate is not the same. Theoretically, it can be assumed that there were: some varieties of wild grapes. But the question is, where did he go? After all, the ice age has already passed
        5. +2
          April 21 2023 16: 57
          grapes in Newfoundland, as I understand it, there are serious doubts.
          In those days, he grew up in Scotland, and in Newcastle (in the region of that) they were generally engaged in winemaking. Question to the apologists of global warming.
          1. +4
            April 21 2023 18: 34
            We recently discussed Valaam, where watermelons and grapes were grown back in the XNUMXth century.
            1. +3
              April 21 2023 18: 55
              Grapes and watermelons on Vaalam?! Cool. As I remember, there was a monastery on Vaalam. In that case, the monks were great
              1. -1
                April 21 2023 19: 34
                Quote: vladcub
                Grapes and watermelons on Vaalam?! Cool. As I remember, there was a monastery on Vaalam. In that case, the monks were great
                . What are watermelons if their annual average is 8 degrees Celsius?
        6. +1
          April 22 2023 08: 36
          Quote: Mihaylov
          But how similar are cultivated grapes to wild grapes?


          In the New World, even in cool regions, there were subspecies of wild grapes, used by the Indians as table fruits and later replaced by imported ones from cooking.
          Grapes are quite grown in Scandinavia, although they are used there as a honey plant and a table berry. Therefore, among the Old Norse, the typical production cycle could be a stage longer - from grapes to honey, honey to mead. And in themselves, the facts of growing grapes by the Vikings have long been known.
          https://www.kp.ru/daily/26672/3693803/
    2. +4
      April 21 2023 10: 45
      Quote: Mihaylov
      firstly, were there really grapes in Newfoundland?
      ... how could people who lived in Iceland and Greenland identify him (hardly any of them saw him)?

      There was a German on Leif's expedition. Either a slave or a hired robber, according to information that has come down to us, it is not clear who. When the members of the expedition went in different directions to explore the island, this same German brought a vine to the camp as evidence. As far as I know, grapes grow in the south and southwest of Germany...
      1. +2
        April 21 2023 15: 59
        And in the East too... Looks like Muscat. As a table - not very much, but quite for wine ...
      2. +2
        April 21 2023 18: 49
        In the southwest of Germany, grapes have long been known
    3. +3
      April 21 2023 11: 06
      It was always not entirely clear: firstly, was there really grapes in Newfoundland?

      Theoretically, there could well be some kind of local wild like Vitis riparia Michx. Moreover, today much more delicate European cultivars are successfully growing in Newfoundland and there are several local wineries.
      The question is that, firstly, there is still no unequivocal answer to where Vinland was located. And secondly, there is no unequivocal answer about the etymology of the name. In addition to the vin- "wine" version, there is also a "pasture" version.
      There is even a version that the name "Vinland" is generally a kind of medieval "marketing ploy" to lure settlers there.
      1. +4
        April 21 2023 11: 13
        Quote: sergej_84
        much more tender European cultivars are successfully growing in Newfoundland today

        In those latitudes, the Little Ice Age manifested itself especially strongly. It is possible that he also covered Newfoundland. It is believed that the disappearance of settlements on Greenland is the consequences of this ice age ...

        Quote: sergej_84
        The question is that, firstly, there is still no unequivocal answer to where Vinland was located

        The most daring generally carry Vinland to Florida. But this is, in my opinion, a perversion ...
        1. +3
          April 21 2023 14: 05
          Sorry, I wrote above that the ice age was over, and now I saw your comment
      2. +4
        April 21 2023 11: 16
        Quote: sergej_84
        much more tender European cultivars are successfully growing in Newfoundland today

        Now, in our Leningrad region, grapes are quite successfully grown, which was not the case until recently.
        there is no clear answer about the etymology of the name

        Well, yes, there are many versions ...
        In general, in our medieval Russian narrative sources, grapes are constantly mentioned, which is "tracing paper" from church texts. Who has not been, probably would have thought that Rus' is replete with grapes ... laughing
    4. +2
      April 21 2023 12: 48
      firstly, were there really grapes in Newfoundland? and secondly, even if he was, how could people living in Iceland and Greenland identify him (it is unlikely that any of them saw him)?

      В saga of the greenlanders Vinland is named from vinber - fig. Alcohol was expelled from her
      1. +3
        April 21 2023 13: 00
        Quote: Engineer
        In the Greenlandic saga, Vinland is named after vinber, meaning fig. Alcohol was expelled from her

        Alcohol can be driven from any sweet berry.
        Did they already know the distillation process? hi
        1. +4
          April 21 2023 13: 29
          Quote: Mihaylov
          Did they already know the distillation process?

          At this time, the Irish monks drove moonshine in full. Probably, it was known to the Scandinavians as well...
        2. +3
          April 21 2023 13: 32
          Maybe not driven, but fermented. Don't know.
          For the etymology of the place, the method of preparation is irrelevant.
          1. Alf
            +4
            April 21 2023 18: 52
            As a table - not very much, but quite for wine ...
            Alcohol can be driven from any sweet berry.
            At this time, the Irish monks drove moonshine in full.
            Maybe not driven, but fermented. Don't know.
            For the etymology of the place, the method of preparation is irrelevant.

            Stop it, alcoholics! laughing laughing We are talking about history here, and again you all go for a drink and women take ... drinks
        3. +5
          April 21 2023 13: 59
          Did they already know the distillation process?

          The main thing is that he is known to very worthy people these days!
          hi
      2. +2
        April 21 2023 19: 40
        Quote: Engineer
        In the Greenlandic saga, Vinland is named after vinber, meaning fig. Alcohol was expelled from her

        It's something you make up. The Vikings ate barley beer.
  12. +1
    April 21 2023 10: 28
    Hello colleagues .
    I drew attention to the following point: "12 churches, male and female monasteries" means among the Vikings, there were many Christians, but there were no less pagans. Here's someone to learn religious tolerance!
    How much blood has been shed due to religious controversy in the Old World
    I don’t remember now, it seems that the Scandinavians didn’t have big religious conflicts? If I'm not mistaken, this is an interesting phenomenon.
    1. +3
      April 21 2023 10: 32
      Quote: Astra wild2
      I don’t remember now, it seems that the Scandinavians didn’t have big religious conflicts?

      Did not have. But because of the girls, they waved notably. Take at least Harold hairy.
      1. +5
        April 21 2023 11: 03
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        But because of the girls they waved notably

        The saga tells that somewhere in England, a Viking killed and took the wallet from a local resident. Another Viking saw this and killed this Viking, taking the stolen purse from the Viking he had killed. So they waved not only because of the girls, but also because of the wallets too - the era of medieval humanism ... wink
      2. +2
        April 21 2023 14: 17
        "It was not" hence the question is why such religious tolerance? Climate factor, demographic, social, or maybe all together? How do historians explain this?
      3. +2
        April 21 2023 16: 47
        Kamrad Volodya (?) Mordvin, good health. Not only they waved because of the girls, but how much did we have to?!
        1. +2
          April 21 2023 20: 19
          Quote: vladcub
          how much did we have?

          Well, I have always loved and respected you. And what about others.. By the way, Russia is considered a woman's country. Men have three suits, women have twelve. This is historical.
    2. +4
      April 21 2023 11: 15
      Quote: Astra wild2
      it seems that the Scandinavians did not have big religious conflicts

      The baptism of Norway took place with great problems. At least two Norwegian kings died during these conflicts - Olaf Tryggvason and Olaf the Holy.
    3. +3
      April 21 2023 17: 35
      I don’t remember now, it seems that the Scandinavians didn’t have big religious conflicts? If I'm not mistaken, this is an interesting phenomenon.

      Good afternoon!
      There was no "phenomenon"; the Middle Ages and religious tolerance are incompatible things. Tolerated by those who had no options.
      As for Scandinavia, the baptism of Norway went super bloody, some torture with the installation of a pelvis with coals on the stomach, which is worth it.
      In Sweden - similarly, with periodic killings of missionaries.
      Zero tolerance. hi
  13. +3
    April 21 2023 11: 36
    Colleagues, I'm not fixable: in the evening the phone did not charge and there was a little battery left.
    1. +3
      April 21 2023 14: 21
      Always carry a TPC cable. I have it in my bag, it always lies, and finding a charger is no longer a problem.
  14. +3
    April 21 2023 16: 43
    Comrades, I once read a book about Eric the Red, but the author Red discovered not Greenland, but America.
    When I read the book, I was stunned, and now I remembered the golden childhood, I am the standard-bearer of the pioneer squad. Someone gave me this book to read.
    Then I forgot, and now I would like to read to remember my childhood, but alas. I don’t remember the author and I’m afraid that I won’t experience that delight
    1. +2
      April 21 2023 19: 10
      Quote: vladcub
      Redhead discovered not Greenland, but America

      Well, Greenland is America. Only the island...
  15. +3
    April 21 2023 18: 43
    Eric the Red reminds me of something, the Mongol reminds me.
    Perhaps because there were no publications of Edward for a long time?
  16. +1
    April 21 2023 18: 46
    The story goes that about a little over 1000 years ago, a Norwegian navigator and merchant, someone named Gunnbjorn Ulfson, heading from Norway to Iceland, lost his way due to a strong storm and saw a small group of islands beyond Iceland, which he modestly named after himself. - "Skerries of Gunnbjorn".
    History can say anything. But a person without water will not last long. Especially if he is rowing. The question is - what, according to "History", did the Vikings store significant reserves of water on their ships, if the transition from Norway to Iceland ... we believe. Distance = 1 thousand kilometers.
    Yes, there are Orkney and Faroe Islands on the way, but they still need to be found on the way.
    How many hours per day can rowers work?
    How many days will "non-flying weather" so to speak, including storms and fogs?
    How fast can rowers row after a week of sitting on breadcrumbs? Please note that they did not know how to salt the herring then.
    And from Iceland to Greenland is another 600 kilometers.
    That is, History wants to say that someone named Gunnbjorn Ulfson, heading from Norway to Iceland, lost his way due to a strong storm and sailed (in a straight line 1600 km, but in real life he would have to swim all 2 km) he reached alive groups of islets, which he modestly named in honor of himself - the "skerries of Gunnbjorn"?
    1. +1
      April 21 2023 19: 09
      Quote: Seal
      How many hours per day can rowers work?

      You talk as if you've never heard of the existence of a sail. The Vikings traveled from Denmark to England in 3-4 days, and they knew the North Atlantic better than you know your apartment ...
    2. +3
      April 21 2023 19: 52
      In 2016, reenactors on a drakkar traveled from Norway to America in 35 days. The displacement of the Drakkar was 80 tons. The crew was 32 people. They were only sailing. It’s not hot there, so the water was supposed to be calculated at 10 liters a day, it’s clear that more water is needed when rowing. If you calculate everything with a margin, then even 15 tons of water is enough. So everything is real.
  17. Alf
    +4
    April 21 2023 18: 48
    The discovery of America by the Vikings was best described by the incomparable Harry Harrison in The Magnificent Saga. Masterpiece though! good As everything turned out to be simple, the Professor just needed money to create a time machine and the filmmakers gave it to him ...
    1. +2
      April 21 2023 19: 07
      Quote: Alf
      Harry Harrison in The Magnificent Saga

      "Fantastic Saga"... wink
      1. Alf
        +3
        April 21 2023 19: 10
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: Alf
        Harry Harrison in The Magnificent Saga

        "Fantastic Saga"... wink

        I forgot, thanks for the correction! But the book is still great.
      2. Alf
        +4
        April 21 2023 19: 11
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: Alf
        Harry Harrison in The Magnificent Saga

        "Fantastic Saga"... wink

        The most interesting thing is at the end of the book, when it comes to the mind of filmmakers to make a film about the Advent...
    2. +3
      April 22 2023 22: 05
      Here, according to this book, "Fantastic Saga", a feature film would be shot!
  18. +3
    April 22 2023 13: 47
    Quote: Luminman
    Well, then they began to form some kind of semblance of states - Denlo in England, Rus', Ireland, Scotland, Normandy and something in Southern Italy ..


    Normans as culturers and state organizers ... tales of skalds.
    Do not overestimate these sea robbers. For starters, they would have to equip their native Scandinavia, create a semblance of a state there. Gord with a population of several hundred people (jarl + warriors + artisans) and a few bonder peasants in the district is not very similar to the state, even with a stretch.
    The Normans did not create a state, but if they were lucky, they could chop off part of the territory from more developed neighbors, driving out the local ruler and taking his place. After that, they used already local management mechanisms, borrowing skills and technologies. This happened in Normandy, for example. And when they found lands that were practically uninhabited, they founded settlements at the most primitive level - like Iceland. And when a new portion of sea robbers (probably from Denmark) rolled up to Iceland, the Icelandic Normans could not even offer them minimal resistance due to their extreme underdevelopment and disorganization.
    That is, the Normans were not teachers of statehood, but students, not masters, but apprentices. And they achieved the greatest organization and combat readiness when they experienced influence and partial assimilation with more developed peoples: Franks, Saxons, etc.

    When the Normans from Norway invaded England, they were beaten by the local Saxon king Harald. But when the Normans invaded England from Normandy (where they mixed or were influenced by the locals), they were successful at Hastings.
    The Norman Danes, the most developed, eventually subjugated all of Scandinavia, making the Norwegians and Swedes their vassals. But the Danes did not seriously think about subjugating England (where the Scandinavians, Saxons and local Celts mixed up), perhaps they themselves were afraid of such a neighbor.
    1. +2
      April 22 2023 18: 30
      Quote: Illanatol
      The Normans did not create states

      Well, why didn't they create it? Denlo? Russian principalities? Or Normandy? In these states, Scandinavian law completely ruled

      Quote: Illanatol
      with more developed peoples: Franks, Saxons, etc.

      At that time, these very, as you call them, "more developed peoples" themselves studied with the already deceased Rome and differed little from the Scandinavian peoples ...
  19. +3
    April 22 2023 22: 04
    I recommend it to everyone present. Harry Harrison. "Fantastic Saga" About those same Vikings in America. How many times I read and re-read, I laughed heartily! http://loveread.ec/view_global.php?id=656
    1. +1
      April 23 2023 16: 47
      Quote: Old Doctor
      How many times I read and re-read, I laughed so much

      And me too. I've read it so many times I don't remember...
  20. -1
    April 23 2023 08: 57
    Quote: Luminman
    Well, why didn't they create it? Denlo? Russian principalities? Or Normandy? In these states, Scandinavian law completely ruled


    Did the Russians and the Eastern Slavs in general have princes?
    For example, in what kind of family ties with Rurik was the Drevlyansky prince Mal, that he wooed Princess Olga after the murder of Igor?

    Is it from the Scandinavians in Rus' that the "ladder law" went, the transfer of power from an older brother to a younger one, and not from father to son?
    Which Scandinavian peoples had a similar way of succession to the throne?
    Maybe enlighten?
    All that Rurik did (whoever he was) was to found a new dynasty and nothing more.

    But nothing that Normandy was part of the French kingdom before? That the Scandinavian jarl Rollo, who became a vassal of the French king, received the title from his hands? So what did the Scandinavians create there? They came and seized what was already ready, nothing more. By the way, are the titles of count or duke a Scandinavian invention or someone else?

    Quote: Luminman
    At that time, these very, as you call them, "more developed peoples" themselves studied with the already deceased Rome and differed little from the Scandinavian peoples ...


    These "more developed peoples", among other things, buried the Western Roman Empire. And they created their kingdoms and empires on the basis of the former Roman provinces, renamed the countries, while the Scandinavians still did not show themselves in any way outside their native Scandinavia.

    I believe you have heard about the Carolingians and Merovingians. They possessed the amount of power and skills of state administration, which the jarls of their time did not even dream of, however.
    And the Saxon Harald already ruled England, not particularly looking back at the vaunted "Roman law", when the descendant of Rollo (Rolf de Marcher) Wilhelm descended on him.
    And the Kingdom of England acquired its outstanding state and fighting qualities precisely due to the mixture of traditions: Roman-Celtic, German-Saxon and Norman. Thanks to this, it began to overtake the "purebred" Scandinavians in the development.

    A guide to the aristocratic families of Europe is called the "Gothic Almanac". I believe that it was not called so by chance and it is quite characteristic that it is not called the "Norman Almanac".
    1. +1
      April 23 2023 16: 46
      Quote: Illanatol
      Which Scandinavian peoples had a similar way of succession to the throne?
      Maybe enlighten?

      I enlighten. Yes, everyone. wink
      1. 0
        April 24 2023 09: 02
        No. The transfer of power of the king from brother to brother could take place if the ting (veche) agreed, but much more often the power passed from father to son. In specific jarls, power usually passed to sons.
        If power passed strictly from the elder brother to the younger (as in Rus'), then where would the majorate come from? After all, the Scandinavians, allegedly, were European culturers, they imposed their laws on everyone.
        When the jarl was called, they called not only his name, but also the name of his father, sometimes his grandfather. "Sveneld, son of Thorin, son of Beowulf", for example. That is, fatherhood had a special meaning, a sign of legitimacy, the right to power.
    2. +1
      April 23 2023 17: 17
      A guide to the aristocratic families of Europe is called the "Gothic Almanac". I believe that it was not called so by chance and it is quite characteristic that it is not called the "Norman Almanac".

      By this proposal you show your complete ignorance in this matter.
      To begin with, the Almanach de Gotha was compiled in 1763. And it got its name from the place of compilation - the city of Gotha (Gotha) in Thuringia.
  21. +1
    April 23 2023 16: 02
    And why are the Vikings in the illustration of the 16th century with sabers?..................................
    1. +1
      April 23 2023 16: 48
      Quote: Roman Efremov
      And why are the Vikings in the 16th century illustration with sabers?

      Because it's a XNUMXth century illustration...
  22. 0
    April 24 2023 09: 11
    Quote: sergej_84
    To begin with, the Almanach de Gotha was compiled in 1763. And it got its name from the place of compilation - the city of Gotha (Gotha) in Thuringia.


    And what? Is it compiled from a hangover or based on something, earlier sources? They simply summarized and systematized what had been going on for many centuries.
    But nothing that the most noble families of Europe left in the era of the Visigoths? Who were those first knights there, all sorts of Rolands, sometimes frantic? Really Normans?

    I wonder who this city was named after ... well, it sounds like laughing
  23. -1
    April 24 2023 12: 42
    Quote: Luminman
    You talk as if you've never heard of the existence of a sail. The Vikings traveled from Denmark to England in 3-4 days, and they knew the North Atlantic better than you know your apartment ...

    1. About the sail. You may have never heard, but when sailing, Viking ships could not sail not only against the wind, but also at an angle to the wind. For they had the most primitive straight sail.
    Here are the prevailing wind directions.




    2. What concrete evidence do you have that the Vikings traveled from Denmark to England in 3-4 days?
    3.
    and they knew the North Atlantic better than you know your apartment ..?
    Really? In my opinion, your statement is somewhat unfounded? Or not a few, but in general, right? However, the language, it is without bones, yes hi
  24. 0
    April 24 2023 13: 14
    Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
    In 2016, reenactors on a drakkar traveled from Norway to America in 35 days. The displacement of the Drakkar was 80 tons. The team was 32 people. They were only sailing. It’s not hot there, so the water was supposed to be calculated at 10 liters a day, it’s clear that more water is needed when rowing. If you calculate everything with a margin, then even 15 tons of water is enough. So everything is real

    As for the number of crew, there are different data. Who says that there were 33, who 32, and who - even 16
    https://1xmatch.com/draken-haral-d-horfagre-peresek-severnuyu-atlantiku/
    However, as a rule, they write about the crew: "32 people were selected for the crew." But most likely the reenactors acted on the principle of astronauts, who have a main crew and backup.
    It is quite possible that 16 people were on the drakkar itself, and 16 people were on the accompanying vessel. Whether they changed or not - the organizers are silent.
    In addition, this drakkar was equipped with modern navigational tools. And this means that the ship had at least batteries.
    And further. Bottled carbonated water can be stored for more than a year. And soda can be drunk instead of regular water. What kind of water did the reenactors drink? Or were they generally periodically supplied with water from an escort vessel?
    From the news of the time:
    Drakkar "Harald Horfagre" postponed the start of the campaign from Norway to America.
    NORWAY/April 26/B-PORT - The longship Harald Horfagre was scheduled to leave the Norwegian port of Haugesund on April 24, but the captain of the ship, Swedish Björn Ahlander, postponed the sailing, deciding to wait for more suitable weather. It is reported by "Scandinews".

    «We have one month because the only gap if you don't want to fight low pressure and gusty winds is May. This is your chance to move.", said the captain.
    More moments. Sail. Its area is 260 square meters. Sorry, but for "that era" such a large sail is fantastic.
    And further. Compare the frames of a real ship and a reconstructed one.