No "isms". Everything is based on coercion

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No "isms". Everything is based on coercion
Everything in the world is afraid of time, but time itself is afraid of the Great Pyramids!


The slave is negligent; do not force the lord with a strict command
To his cause, for work, he himself will not undertake hunting:

Odyssey, Homer

Problems of historical knowledge. So, in the two previous parts, we showed the following: that Marx's "five-term" was originally a "six-term", but was "cut off" by Soviet historians, who considered such a division stories more convenient. We also showed that there was not a single characteristic feature of the era, so to speak, "in its purest form." That all characteristics are blurred, since in one of the "periods" very often there is a certain percentage of the previous one, so that one has to constantly talk about "remnants" and the multistructural nature of the economy. And it was not for nothing that one of the readers of VO asked: “Is there anything permanent in history?". That is, we need to find something unchanged in all historical eras and on its basis ... create a new periodization of history.




It is said that even the blade of a knife cannot be inserted between the stones of which the pyramids are built. But in reality this is far from the case. Pyramid of Queen Khamerernebti II

And the most interesting thing is that there really is something “so unchangeable” in our life. This is our attitude to work!

To begin with, let us recall what three types of attitude to work exist. The first is natural coercion to work. Man is forced to work by nature itself. It is clear that this was the case in the primitive era. There is no state, there is no coercive apparatus, but you want to eat something, you need to feed the female and her cubs, which means going hunting. K. Marx wrote that human society is organized according to the pyramid principle. Above are the best, and below ... also the best. Only with the opposite sign and greater numbers. If the strongest are at the top, then the weakest are at the bottom, right? Such was the organization of human society in the Stone Age: at the top, all the most physically strong, and below them, all the rest. Since any society, or any “pyramid”, functions within the framework of the “Pareto Law” (percentage ratio 80/20), the strongest at that time could not oppress the weak, even those who had lost limbs were taken care of in the tribe (this is evidenced by a find in a cave Shanidar - V.O.). Although it is unlikely that the life of these people was so joyful. Most likely, they threw leftovers. But, nevertheless, it was still at least some kind of life.


Here it is - a "five-member" in the form of a pyramid!

In addition to the "pyramid of physical strength" in the Stone Age, there was a second pyramid - the "pyramid of the mind." Shadow! Because the "smartest" have always been, but the level of technology development did not allow them to turn around. In the tribe, they "shamanized", painted the walls of caves, made jewelry.

But now society has accumulated knowledge, technology has become more advanced, society has become richer, and a pyramid of ... kind has arisen. At the top were the descendants of primitive leaders, to whom, under the new conditions, they began to attribute both strength and wisdom. The most noble! And therefore those who have the most rights. Remember the Gascon nobleman d'Artagnan, who did not have a penny for his soul, but who had barely found himself in Paris, when he "began to download rights." And all why? Because his ancestor once fought alongside the king in wars for the faith. This is how a new era began - the era of non-economic coercion to work, which, by the way, is very well written not just anywhere, but in our Great Soviet Encyclopedia (Non-economic coercion).

In this era, we can easily combine slavery and feudalism - and thus cross out two "isms" at once. Indeed, in both cases, the bulk of the workers are forced to work by force! It is clear that in the depths of the old society, new social and economic relations are always born. So, in a society built on non-economic coercion to work, economic coercion arose, and a new pyramid began to be gradually erected, pushing the pyramid of nobility into the background - the “pyramid of wealth”. We can say that it was at the same time a “pyramid of the mind”, that is, the “smart” finally came out of the shadows and occupied what was rightfully due to them. After all, how to become rich without a mind? No way! Although, of course, some accompanying character traits are also needed, such as decisiveness, courage, unscrupulousness (where without it ?!) and much more, which made up a characteristic portrait of the same people of the era of primitive accumulation. In general, whatever you say, but the allocation of time for non-economic coercion to work in a separate era immediately solves many problems of periodization and, in addition, simplifies it.


According to Marx, society is also a pyramid...

So why did Soviet historians abandon it? Yes, simply because such a division would expose the immaturity of the Soviet era, in which, as under slavery and feudalism, there was non-economic coercion to work. It was required to work without fail, otherwise a person was threatened with a prison term for parasitism - that is, Soviet society, in fact, was semi-feudal, no matter how strange it may sound, and many people were not interested in it in the quality and quantity of their labor. And who was at the top? Not the smartest, that's understandable. And not the richest - their "pyramid" in the USSR was in the shade ... At the top were ... "the most faithful." Faithful (and in words!) to the ideas of Marxism-Leninism. In addition, this society could not do without the purely slave labor of prisoners. After all, it is not for nothing that all the economic problems of the USSR began after 1959, when the last Gulag camps were closed. Everything that came from there now had to be received for money, to pay “northern” people, which increased the cost of everything at times. They were solved by the redistribution of funds by the state itself. That is, again, non-economic means of control. Which, of course, could not but affect the efficiency of the economy, which has never been economical. Well, how do you like this society? What is surprising is not that it eventually ceased to exist, but that it lasted so long, which, by the way, speaks of the enormous role of ideas circulating in society. For a while, they may even become more important than the economy, but only for a while!

It is quite obvious that such a society could not compete with a society of economic coercion, where no one forces anyone to work for themselves, but where everyone's own well-being depends heavily on the quality and quantity of work. And, of course, social progress has given rise to an amazing number of “pyramids” in our modern society. The multimillionaires and the poor have their own "pyramid". Prostitutes - at the top of the currency kept women, at the bottom of the highway "shoulders". Writers - at the top are those who are published, say, in our Eksmo, Rosmen and AST, and receive royalties for their books, at the bottom are those who ... pay for the publication of their books themselves. The artists below are those who sell their paintings on the boulevards, and at the top are those who are shown in the best metropolitan galleries. Well, and so on ... And everywhere, in any "pyramid" we can find division according to the 80/20 principle. 80 at the bottom - 20 at the top.

Naturally, the impact of these 20 on 80 of all the rest has changed dramatically over the past millennia, but in general, everything has remained the same. 20 have the power of power, 80 have the power of opinion!


Another completely unshakable pyramid is Maslow's pyramid of needs. As these needs have always been, so they will be!

So what do we end up with? Periodization without “isms”, only from three stages of socio-economic development: the era of natural coercion to work, the era of non-economic coercion to work and the era of economic coercion to work, with an appropriate set of social pyramids.

This division, by the way, makes it possible to predict the further development of society. Who can be at the top in the future? As before, there will be "the smartest", but among them there will be more and more "indigo children", people with paranormal abilities. The role of the “pyramid of operators” will sharply increase - people who will manage robots-workers. But the "pyramid of workers" will be drastically reduced. Industrial robots will displace people from a number of professions, and they will only have to exist on welfare and have fun. On the other hand, the role of people who can do something with their own hands will increase.


From time to time there will be a lack of certain professions, and those who can quickly master them will be able to change their place in the pyramid, and even the pyramid itself. Today in Penza, for example, there are not enough seamstresses!

“Home-made” will again be in price, and consumer goods made by robots, albeit of high quality, will be considered the lot of 80 percent. All these tendencies have already clearly emerged today and will only deepen in the future. But "isms" both in theory and in practice will be done away with. Their time in history is over!
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  1. +53
    April 23 2023
    I read up to the statement that the economic efficiency of the USSR was based on GULLAG and gave up.
    The author may understand something, but in this case, to put it mildly, he greatly distorts the real picture.
    The Gulag was subsidized and the percentage contribution to the economy was negligible in order to somehow influence the country's economy as a whole.
    1. -48
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      percentage contribution to the economy was negligible

      Oh really? Why, then, did all the problems in the economy begin after 1959, when the last camp was closed? Something is missing, isn't it?
      1. +22
        April 23 2023
        The leadership ceased to have enough will in 1953, and then the inertia from the impulse of Stalin and Beria also ended.
        In short, the village crooks seized upon great power.
        ps Or do you think that even if 5000000 convicts with two-handed saws at the logging site supported 200000000 of the economy of open-hearth furnaces, rolling mills and mechanical engineering?)
        Don't make fun of my gray knees)))
        p.s.p.s. Chemists (if you know what I mean) worked at construction sites in the USSR almost until the 80s.
        1. +3
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          Chemists (if you know what I mean) worked at construction sites in the USSR almost until the 80s

          Chemists are still working.
          1. +3
            April 23 2023
            These were other "chemists")
            convicts
            And there were a lot of them, plus a construction battalion
            1. +3
              April 23 2023
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              These were other "chemists")
              convicts

              Who am I talking about? My friend got out of chemo a year ago. A year for a bully. One of my uncles worked in chemistry in the late eighties. For stealing a collective farm TV.
        2. -10
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          In short, the village crooks seized upon great power.

          And just how were they allowed? The party is the shoulders of millions ...
          1. +11
            April 23 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            And just how were they allowed?

            including the consequences of the Great Patriotic War, passionaries died, gray mediocrity remained alive
      2. +20
        April 23 2023
        Do you yourself understand that the Gulag system was extremely unprofitable? And as a result, could it in any way be the type of engine of the economy, which allegedly collapsed as soon as the Gulag was canceled?

        And the problems after 1959 began solely because of the flagrantly illiterate taxiing of the state by Khrushchev and his gang. And what about the Gulag?
      3. +23
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        percentage contribution to the economy was negligible

        Oh really? Why, then, did all the problems in the economy begin after 1959, when the last camp was closed? Something is missing, isn't it?

        More stupidity, probably, and it is impossible to think of.
        Have you heard anything about Khrushchev's "reforms"? About the "nationalization" of partnerships, consumer cooperation? No? Then do not climb into the water, not knowing the ford.
        1. 0
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          More stupidity, probably, and it is impossible to think of.

          It's very possible. This was written in the memoirs of a tank designer, I don’t remember his last name. And what do you think that one knows about Khrushchev's reforms? Yes, your heart rate is going through the roof.
          1. +1
            April 23 2023
            By the way, my paternal grandfather before these reforms was a handicraft shoemaker. Made five children.
          2. +5
            April 23 2023
            Quote: Mordvin 3

            And what do you think that one knows about Khrushchev's reforms? Yes, your heart rate is going through the roof.

            I'm sorry, but I did not understand anything from your accusations against me. Can you explain?
            1. +3
              April 23 2023
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              I'm sorry, but I did not understand anything from your accusations against me. Can you explain?

              I wrote this to Shpakovsky. Clicked somewhere in the wrong place.
      4. +15
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Why, then, did all the problems in the economy begin after 1959, when the last camp was closed?

        I'm not ready to argue about the effectiveness or lack thereof of the Gulag, but I know for sure that - "If one event happened after another, it does not mean at all that it happened as a result of".
      5. +7
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Why, then, did all the problems in the economy begin after 1959, when the last camp was closed? Something is missing, right?


        Problems are always complex. And to simplify to one factor is simply unreasonable.
      6. -14
        April 23 2023
        The adherents of the "Stalinist order" cannot prove anything, they lack the imagination to imagine what these successes were based on, and the knowledge to find confirmation of this.
        Nevertheless, in fairness, the USSR did not rest on the "camp economy" alone - LO provided two important points necessary for the functioning of the rest. 1) Frankly gratuitous resources and powerless labor force, which could be driven around their own regulated labor rules (even taking into account how specifically they were observed). 2) The principle of "Hell", when in addition to Paradise (carrot), there is also Hell (stick), and the sadder the reality, the hotter hell must be (in our case, the colder) so that its magical power works for those who the socialist Paradise is indifferent. Recently I read a curious little book, I was even surprised how it had not previously fallen into my hands - R. Robinson "Black on the Reds". And even if we assume (most likely) a significant post-engagement of the author at the behest of the CIA (and due to their own, rather specific ideas about things), it is impossible to write the whole book on a lie. Robinson described these very 1930s-1950s "in colors", through the eyes of a completely alien person, unable to mimic "from the word at all." Such a system, with its rusty millstones, needed a hell of a hardcore hell to keep those millstones spinning. And here it is not at all necessary that the convicts themselves turn these millstones, no. But their fate and general lawlessness under the guise of law - that's what turned these millstones. After the XNUMXth Congress, problems began with this. For some time, the spiritualized society managed to be connected with the idea of ​​the cosmos and some other things, but these were much less powerful things than fear.
        1. +10
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The adherents of the "Stalinist order" cannot prove anything, they lack the imagination to imagine what these successes were based on, and the knowledge to find confirmation of this.
          Nevertheless, in fairness, the USSR did not rest on the "camp economy" alone - LO provided two important points necessary for the functioning of the rest. 1) Frankly gratuitous resources and powerless labor force, which could be driven around their own regulated labor rules (even taking into account how specifically they were observed). 2) The principle of "Hell", when in addition to Paradise (carrot), there is also Hell (stick), and the sadder the reality, the hotter hell must be (in our case, the colder) so that its magical power works for those who the socialist Paradise is indifferent. Recently I read a curious little book, I was even surprised how it had not previously fallen into my hands - R. Robinson "Black on the Reds". And even if we assume (most likely) a significant post-engagement of the author at the behest of the CIA (and due to their own, rather specific ideas about things), it is impossible to write the whole book on a lie. Robinson described these very 1930s-1950s "in colors", through the eyes of a completely alien person, unable to mimic "from the word at all." Such a system, with its rusty millstones, needed a hell of a hardcore hell to keep those millstones spinning. And here it is not at all necessary that the convicts themselves turn these millstones, no. But their fate and general lawlessness under the guise of law - that's what turned these millstones. After the XNUMXth Congress, problems began with this. For some time, the spiritualized society managed to be connected with the idea of ​​the cosmos and some other things, but these were much less powerful things than fear.

          Do you have enough imagination? I VERY doubt it.
          About the camp economy. Yes, she gave the so-called. "gratuitous resources", but even in Stalin's time, the GULAG'S LOSS was discussed, but all the same, the GULAG gave some return work, otherwise the prisoners (most of whom were by no means political especially after the Second World War) simply had to be fed without receiving ANYTHING in return, as they are now generally. Yes, and it is not by chance that the article states that slave labor is UNCREATIVE. Those. you can't force an engineer to work like a slave and create ingenious designs. As for heaven and hell, they exist in the west too. What does it cost, for example, the so-called. american dream (your own labor can become a millionaire) AND HELL - look at the 35 million homeless in the US and the largest per capita prison rate in the WORLD!!!!
          About the so-called. love book by R. Robinson. And when and how exactly did he end up in the USSR in the 30s or 50s? If he is black, then why the hell did he end up in the USSR? In the 30s and even in the 50s there were no black engineers in principle !!! And how did he get a job in the USSR? Among whom? laborer? And if he was a white engineer, how could he describe society if he was not part of it? What about lies. The most disgusting lie is the one in which there are only 1% lies and 99% truth, but this 1% changes the WHOLE meaning of what was said. Here's an example for you: "The Jewish nation is the smartest nation in the world - in their opinion." As you can see, 3 words change the WHOLE meaning!!! The same goes for fear! On fear, it was IMPOSSIBLE to defeat all of Europe in the Second World War !!! On fear it was impossible to create everything that was created during the USSR. As someone once said, "boxes are easy to manage, but you can't sit on boxes"! hi
      7. +4
        April 23 2023
        Here are all the problems right?) Actually, even under Khrushchev, the growth rate of the economy was higher than in the capital world. This is exactly what Khrushchev spoke about in his famous "we will bury you" - he meant economically.
        Problems really began, but firstly, due to the fact that the USSR was more and more involved in the capital economy, and gradually sat down on the "oil needle", although the USSR never sat on it to the same extent as the Russian Federation. And secondly, because socialism also has its own problems and crises. That dogmatists did not want to admit, assuring that crises are a purely capitalist phenomenon .. Although Lenin also said that socialism is state-monopoly capitalism, in which ownership of the means of production passed from the hands of the capitalists into the hands of society. Socialism of the initial stage is capitalism with a different way of distributing surplus value (value) - when there are no individual owners. Crises are inevitable. Only somewhat different than in market capitalism. Well, and thirdly - unfortunately, the USSR was a very bureaucratic society and the nomenklatura in it gradually became close in function to the class of owners, only without property rights. And it was they who supported perestroika from above, hoping for the transfer of part of the property into their hands. Well, as a result, everything was intercepted from most of them (although some people snatched pieces for themselves) and from the people.
      8. +11
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        percentage contribution to the economy was negligible

        Oh really? Why, then, did all the problems in the economy begin after 1959, when the last camp was closed? Something is missing, isn't it?

        If you don’t know what was missing, then I’ll remember !!! Somewhere around 1959, the corn-grower finally buried the co-operative movement. He destroyed the household plots of collective farmers (at the same time destroying the free market for agricultural products) and PRACTICALLY LIQUIDATED the principles of self-sufficiency of the Soviet economy (at the same time removing the main economists of Stalin from their posts) that existed during the time of Joseph Visarionovich. In my opinion, these reasons are much (an order of magnitude) more significant than the abolition of the Gulag. And all this was done before the 1960s. And in spite of everything, the USSR did not die immediately, but existed until 1990 and would have continued to exist if it were not for the so-called. perestroika during which the deficits of everything and everywhere were organized (by order). Of course there was a deficit, but not everywhere and everything!!! And if you don’t know this, it’s better not to try to write philosophical articles, but to teach history. hi
      9. +7
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        And why then all the problems in the economy began after 1959

        and you don’t believe in coincidences, if I end up in prison after finishing school, it doesn’t mean that I got there because I finished school.
      10. 0
        April 24 2023
        It was no longer enough that the leadership turned around and headed back to capitalism. And the work of the prisoners was unprofitable for the economy, since they had to be supported by their wages, and even the convoy around them should be supported. On average, the contribution of the labor share of prisoners was 2-3%, in some industries up to 8%.
      11. 0
        April 24 2023
        caliber \ In 59, the mass destruction of the Stalinist multi-structural economy began, first collective artels and similar enterprises in industry and servants were nationalized, then the creation of Soviet state farms (not just thrown out of the name "collective", they made it purely state-owned with an appointed director and not an elected chairman - after the war, the surviving veterans who returned home rather quickly occupied elective positions to the district centers, the "filter of Tashkent front-line soldiers" worked higher, shedding bags of blood away from the horrors of the war, and those who bravely defended Tashkent sat down there) then, on the sly under various noodles on the ears, the rest of the collective farms were nationalized. They took the guys responsible for the results of production (the vertical of the party) out of control not only of the KGB, but also of the criminal investigation. The "catastrophe" was carried out in approximately the same way, only with a large number of promises of free freebies ..
      12. -1
        April 27 2023
        With the current government can not be compared with any that was before it. Is that the present can be compared with the time of slavery. And then, then there were owners, and now they are all thieves.
      13. +2
        April 28 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        percentage contribution to the economy was negligible

        Oh really? Why, then, did all the problems in the economy begin after 1959, when the last camp was closed? Something is missing, isn't it?

        You no longer have enough brains, exactly the same as the leadership of the country of that time. All troubles are always from people and their vices. Selfishness, sycophancy and outright stupidity can destroy any system
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ism_ek
        The problem was solved by a fictitious device for work.

        Remarkable morality of the builder of communism. "He who sins in silence commits no sin."

        This is the Catholic Protestant paradigm. What side did you drag communism into here? Not only did they give out a worthless idea about the Gulag as the basis of the economy of the USSR, but also you are engaged in a frank substitution of concepts in correspondence. Simply outrageous!
    2. AAK
      +7
      April 23 2023
      It is possible to talk about the subsidization or profitability of the mentioned Gulag only with just two figures in hand: 1. Costs for the direct maintenance of convicts + the cost of the "means of production" and consumables they use + the cost of the services of "security structures" ... 2. The cost of goods and services sold produced by the "special contingent" ... all other reasoning is from the evil one ...
      1. -16
        April 23 2023
        Quote: AAK
        "special contingent"

        Well, bring...
        1. +18
          April 23 2023
          And can I ask you for reciprocal confirmation of your thesis about the type of the Soviet economy based solely on the camps? Or are unfounded passages allowed only to you?
          1. -4
            April 23 2023
            Quote: paul3390
            only

            Where in the article does it say that it is exclusive?
      2. +11
        April 23 2023
        Quote: AAK

        +3
        It is possible to talk about the subsidization or profitability of the mentioned Gulag only with just two numbers in hand:

        If you want to know exactly about the profitability of the Gulag, then yes, you need numbers. And if a general understanding is enough, then I can give the story of one, now long dead, "inmate" in the camp. felled the forest in the Urals. So, at the end of the term of imprisonment, in 1958, he brought from the camp a chainsaw and a "pocket" of money (this is in his words). They also had electric saws in the camp. A power line was pulled to the plot, which was under the clearing, and power saws were fed from it. They also had social competition, and their own account of the harvested wood (a special person in the brigade), who, together with the camp accountant (from the camp administration), together calculated the daily output of the brigade. And they paid money for it! A certain part of the money was handed out - there was a store in the camp! The bulk of the earnings were given out after serving the term of imprisonment.
        I believe that in this state of affairs, it is foolish to think that this camp was unprofitable for the state.
        I believe that Shpakovsky, who imagined himself a great political economist, sat down in a deep and dirty puddle with criticism of the classics.
        1. +2
          April 23 2023
          This camp was unprofitable for the state.

          It depends on what is considered a loss and profit .. And - on what scale to consider them.
          1. 0
            April 23 2023
            [quote = paul3390] [quote] this camp was unprofitable for the state. [/ quote]

            You took my words out of context and completely distorted their meaning.
            .[quote=paul3390]
            It depends on what is considered a loss and profit .. [/ Quote]
            The camp cannot be an unprofitable enterprise. The camp I have described is a timber harvesting enterprise. He does not give away his products, but sells them. He will not sell wood below its cost. Otherwise, he will reduce the cost by cutting the salaries of convicts. And my acquaintance would come not with a "pocket" of money, but half as much, or without them at all.
            [quote = paul3390] And - on what scale to count them. [/ quote]
            And what about the scale?
        2. 0
          April 24 2023
          Well, the Soviet state did not pursue profit, and the camps were primarily correctional, and not in order to cut down money. The goal is for a person to improve and become a good Soviet citizen. Take the same engineer Ramzin, they put him in jail for sabotage, but in the camp he invented an ultra-fashionable boiler, and for this he even received a state award. Somehow it does not fit well with the fairy tale that the goal is to kill and kill everyone.
          1. -1
            April 24 2023
            Now, at an absolute level all over the world, at thermal stations, after a certain power, there are boilers based on the prototype of the Ramzin boiler. Today there is no wind and I have a view through the window of about a kilometer column of smoke from the state district power station owned by E-ON with Ramzin boilers .. So the state has such levers of pressure on the EU, the cost of the station will be pumped up to about a quarter of the blown up gas pipeline
          2. -1
            April 29 2023
            Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov

            Well, the Soviet state did not pursue profit, and the camps were primarily correctional, and not in order to cut down money.

            Yes it is. But who told you that the state was supposed to make parasites out of the ZK? Maintain them within the budget. The camp, at least, had to be self-sustaining, because this is not a prison.
    3. +11
      April 23 2023
      The author may understand something, but in this case, to put it mildly, he greatly distorts the real picture.

      Just a few competent articles of the author passed with a small number of comments, and the author decided to raise the "monetization" of his articles in the usual way for the author - for a barrel of information - a spoonful of author's gag. And here you are - everything boils and bubbles
      1. +7
        April 23 2023
        the author decided to raise the "monetization" of his articles in the usual, for the author, way - on a barrel of information - a spoonful of author's gag. And here you are - everything boils and bubbles
        There are no former propagandists. Azef's cause lives on and wins! (especially if the payment is for the number of posts)
    4. +12
      April 23 2023
      There is a lot of untruth in this exceptionally illiterate article.
      in addition to the denigration of the Soviet period, the fruits of which have been plundering and destroying clans for more than thirty years, which have brought countries and peoples to the current deplorable state, there is also no mention of the fact that the relative prosperity of a part of the population of Western countries is based on coercion of people in other countries through the control of dictators these countries.
      The author of the article apparently considers himself to be the most intelligent in his own classification. It is not clear on what basis. If someone paid him for these attempts, then you can see that the one who paid him does not belong to the smart ones, but rather exposes himself to ridicule for his own money.
      1. -3
        April 23 2023
        the relative prosperity of part of the population of Western countries is based on the coercion of people in other countries
        Is it about "plundered resources and enslaved blacks" again? Have you ever thought about the fact that the West and its people themselves work effectively and earn good money?
        1. +3
          April 24 2023
          And how then to explain that the biggest debtors in the world are precisely the countries of the Golden Billion? The US government debt is about 30 trillion, and the EU is also somewhere the same. In addition, if the strange West works well, does this somehow exclude the fact that they can rob someone else? And excludes the fact that the top of the Western countries also robs its population?
        2. -1
          April 24 2023
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Have you ever thought about the fact that the West and its people themselves work effectively and earn good money?

          Many can work effectively, but so far only the West could effectively rob ... have you ever taught history, well, at least at school?
    5. +1
      April 24 2023
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      The author may understand something, but in this case, to put it mildly, he greatly distorts the real picture.

      Let's just say that this is not the first attempt by the author to do something other than his own. Recall at least the project of his BMP belay , where the given gr. proposed to practically protect the infantry fighting vehicles from defeat with their bodies.

      Well, I repeat, again, gr.author - if you were better at history, as before - it somehow worked out for you. Political, economic and social analysis is not your business at all.
      1. -2
        April 24 2023
        Quote: Dali
        where is the given gr. proposed to practically protect the infantry fighting vehicles from defeat with their bodies.

        Where did you read this? There is even a picture of armored individual capsules with armor much thicker than the armor of today's infantry fighting vehicles. Do you have vision problems?
        1. 0
          April 24 2023
          Quote: kalibr
          Where did you read this? There is even a picture of armored individual capsules with armor much thicker than the armor of today's infantry fighting vehicles. Do you have vision problems?

          Forgot a lot of "flattering comments" (and accurately describing the situation), to that article ... can lead to ...
          shl
          Do you have memory problems... ?
          1. 0
            April 26 2023
            Quote: Dali
            Forgot a lot of "flattering comments" (and accurately describing the situation), to that article ... can lead to ...
            shl
            Do you have memory problems... ?

            There are always more fools than smart people - that's a fact!
            1. 0
              April 27 2023
              Here you are right. One of the wise men wrote in such a way that thirty smart people would not be able to answer the questions that one asks. Here you are right, you ordered so many people to answer what you wrote, it is clear that up to a hundred who write to you will not wait for an answer from you, there will be only questions. One boy said to one uncle - uncle, you. Uncle ran and complained to his mother that your son called me a fool, I demand an apology from him. Son, apologize to your uncle! Uncle, forgive me that you!
    6. +2
      April 28 2023
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      The Gulag was subsidized and the percentage contribution to the economy was negligible

      I read and understood, I do not own the question. hi
      According to the assessment of the doctor of historical sciences, professor Viktor Berdinsky, the economic activity of the NKVD was distinguished by a systematic, large-scale and clearly defined military-industrial character. Since the second half of the 30s, the number of prisoners in the ITL GULAG has increased, and the volume of work in the labor camps has also increased accordingly. In just two years, from 1936 to 1938, in 13 labor camps it doubled and reached 2 billion rubles. Gold mining increased by the same factor (in 2,6, its prisoners mined over 1938 tons).

      Source: What income did the USSR receive from the Gulag - Russian Seven
      © Russian Seven russian7.ru
  2. +1
    April 23 2023
    Well, who knows. With robotization and the crisis of overproduction... Heard, heard. True, even if we take the eternal mistake of all sociologists - considering a separate, closed, society ... Why does the role of low-skilled, literally slave labor - prevail in the world precisely in the until recently most economically developed power - the United States, where they traditionally deal with the most low-skilled with labor - are they sewing cheap uniforms for the army or are they building roads? There, something like 75% of the convicts' uniforms are riveted, and every fourth convict on the planet is in the USA ...
    Again, and if you look at things more broadly, even more broadly, what do we have with the crisis of overproduction in individual countries and food shortages anyway - in the world, and in the future, the same fresh water, despite the fact that the technological level ... NPP you will solve this problem in such a region, that you don’t need it anymore ... You can’t see either the demand for manual labor at nuclear power plants, or the ability to build them robotically - and you can’t see, which is typical, in the future.
    With manual labor well described
    https://nords-nisse.livejournal.com/84821.html
    To "manually" sculpt a chocolate bar and live on it, you need a bunch of slaves plowing for 20 bucks a year. The problem is that replacing them with cheaper robotic cultivators is out of the question.
    So it turns out that development into an "intellectual elite with manual labor" ... It does not work out ...
  3. +13
    April 23 2023
    In our time, it is enough just to become a slave ... for this you just need to take a million-dollar loan from a bank ... after that a person becomes a credit slave of a bank.
    Work brings joy to a person only if he sees in it the meaning of his existence.
    Many people work only to feed themselves and their families.
    request
    In general, people are divided into two categories ... some believe that labor made a person out of a monkey, others believe that horses die from work.
    For 70 years, our people rushed to the happy future of communism, and eventually returned back to the future of capitalism. what
    Now the devil knows what's ahead... and what's going on in the minds of our citizens.
    1. -19
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      people rushed

      Ripped and torn!
      1. +13
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Ripped and torn!

        The Pig Worshipers are tearing themselves up now, defending the pyramid on top of which they will never stand.
        1. -12
          April 23 2023
          Quote: ism_ek
          on top of which they will never stand.

          Why does it have to be at the top? The middle is good too...
          1. +5
            April 23 2023
            ... In the middle is also good ...

            So you are a small owner. But the small proprietors will someday have to choose whether they are with the bourgeoisie or with the proletariat.
            "... The petty bourgeois is at the same time an owner and a worker. As a worker, he sympathizes with the working class and in many respects is in solidarity with it in the struggle for a better life. This gives rise to democracy in M. b., the desire for justice and equality, hostility to big capital, monopolies. But as an owner, he envies the position and wealth of the bourgeoisie, strives and dreams of breaking out into a privileged minority. The position of M. as an owner determines her conservatism, her inherent spirit of philistinism, individualism, fear of communism, allegedly encroaching on petty property. The position of a petty owner forces the petty bourgeois to dodge and adapt in every possible way; the petty nature of operations, limited contacts with the outside world narrow his horizons. The petty bourgeois is most attached to outdated customs and traditions, prone to all kinds of nationalist tendencies. Usually M. b. tries to evade sharp class clashes, to keep aloof from politics as far as possible. This leads to the fact that in a period of major socio-political upheavals, the bourgeoisie, trying to maintain the “middle line” in politics, in fact, unwittingly and inevitably wavers between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat ... (see V. I. Lenin, Complete collection soch., 5th ed., vol. 32, p. 344). https://www.booksite.ru/fulltext/1/001/008/075/327.htm
            1. -1
              April 27 2023
              But the small proprietors will someday have to choose whether they are with the bourgeoisie or with the proletariat.

              And also a small owner can sell his small property and dump it somewhere with his belongings and knowledge, where the question between the proletarians and the bourgeoisie does not stand sharply like diarrhea, and where several epoch-making changes of power do not happen with the population being exposed several times in a century , For example. In the event that such a need really exists, and the alternative to it will be another "knight's move", which will open up a significant part of the population in various interesting poses.
              The theory is magical, but much more magical when everything in life goes more or less according to plan and not due to natural circumstances. So being somewhere in the middle of the pyramid is not so bad.
              1. 0
                April 28 2023
                At one time, many "small owners" dumped in Europe, where there are no "sharp" issues. Then. And now they are looking for somewhere to find a place where there is no "sharp" issue between these small owners and migrants. And all after all, for some ten or two years.
          2. -1
            April 24 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            Why does it have to be at the top? The middle is good too...

            Sounds like you like them...maybe you should move there?
        2. +9
          April 23 2023
          protecting a pyramid on top of which they will never stand.
          Capitalism rests not on capitalists, but on idiots who dream of becoming capitalists Yes .
          1. +9
            April 23 2023
            but on idiots who dream of becoming capitalists
            - "American dream" is called)) Well, or a carrot in front of a donkey's muzzle .. on a stick)))
          2. -4
            April 27 2023
            In fairness, in the choice of two types of attitude to property - between the capitalist, conditionally "Western" attitude, and the socialist-rudimentary, with the whole gamut of possible fluctuations, conditionally "Eastern" - I would choose the first.
            Although in general this is a choice between death by an ax or by a hammer, the devil is in the details. Capitalism says that any whim for your money. If you have them. This is nice, because if you are not a stupid person and are not at the very bottom of being, and if you have needs and tastes that differ from a certain "average standard in a hospital" - you can live as you like in a "+ -" certain range, limited by the availability of money and social or elite ostracism. You can move these boundaries a little if you like.
            Under conditionally "socialism", although you have more statistical chances to be at a higher level in the "funnel of opportunities", the quality and degree of realization of your needs in this position will always be much to be desired, but moreover, the number of factors limiting you will be much greater. social ostracism is higher, government regulation in your life is more. These things will often be impenetrable by legal means. As "socialism" develops from what has been more or less implemented to what should be theoretically - this limiting line will only increase, more affecting the freedom of choice of an individual who KNOWS WHAT WANTS and WANTS from the point of view of the "average temperature in the hospital" EXCESSIVE.

            For example, I want a Big Pink Elephant. Inside cap. of the system, everyone strictly does not care why I need it - and if my desire is unlimited and I make money - I will go and buy it, I will possess it. Inside the social system, from the point of view of all levels of being, it will be considered that I do not need the Big Pink Elephant. All organs of the state, like the immune system of the body, will begin to counteract the realization of this need of mine as much as possible, because it is Unnecessary, Stupid, Crazy, Irrational, Provocative, it highlights me and my capabilities and confuses the minds around, forcing them to think about what they have deeper needs, the implementation of which the system does not care about either in the economic or in the organizational plan. Suppose under Capitalism I am a rich actor, I have an image and I myself live in this image. I want to build a country house with gargoyles, a moat and a butler in livery. If I have money for this, I will do it, if it really bothers me.
            Under socialism, I will not be able to do this, and no one will mark my aspirations. And there, and there, at the same time, as a really Good Actor, I can earn a lot of money - if I'm really Good. But in the first case, my need will be satisfied, in the second, it will be deformed by the system (up to a conditional wooden dacha in Peredelkino) or not satisfied.

            The society of either socialism or capitalism is still standing on fools, overwhelmingly for the most part. The proportions may vary somewhat, yes. But there will NEVER be more smart people than idiots, there will always be much fewer of them. Under capitalism, stupid people are suppressed by the resources of smart people (this is conditional, it is more correct to call them wealthy for one reason or another), and their influence and opinion on the realization of needs (of a minority) is taken into account to a much lesser extent. Under socialism, stupid people have more significance in society (and their opinions and views on things) than it would be in a conditionally more natural system (distributing a person’s importance according to abilities or kinship), and, therefore, the system takes into account their tastes to a greater extent. regarding the needs of minorities. Minorities are more limited.
            By "minority" I mean people who stand out in one way or another in their needs and abilities.

            This is one of the key problems why socialism competed poorly with cap, and why cap is still alive.
            1. 0
              April 28 2023
              There are many words, but the thought is primitive. "Standing out in their needs and abilities", only examples of needs are all extremely miserable: pink elephants, palaces. All according to Freud. Such "outstanding" ones have one ability - to grab more. And the fact that they were spread rot in Soviet times is right. Only at some point they stopped, and they achieved their goal, they grabbed everything that millions of other people created.
  4. +18
    April 23 2023
    It is difficult to understand what the author wants to write about, but he is mistaken in many ways.
    In the USSR, no one was particularly forced to work. Work was held in high esteem and it was not very stressful. They did not work for ideological reasons. Therefore, in the USSR, they fought against parasitism. Parasites were enemies of society. Who didn't want to work? Thieves in law, various dissidents.
    Soviet society tried to destroy this pyramid. The state paid for education in full. There were many so-called. "social lifts". Parasites are those who parasitized on the Soviet system and built their own pyramid, and therefore fought with them.
    The future is clearly behind the Soviet system and all the pyramids will be destroyed. But it won't be fast.
    Look at China. Ahead of the country, which consistently destroy the pyramids. But this path is difficult and tortuous.
    1. -9
      April 23 2023
      Quote: ism_ek
      In the USSR, no one was particularly forced to work.

      Have you heard about the law on parasitism? Two weeks after the dismissal, he did not get a job - they come to find out why you are parasitic. My wife faced this, who was neither a dissident nor an enemy. I just wanted to get where I wanted and I had to wait for the person to leave. Wrapped up...
      1. +16
        April 23 2023
        We know such ladies.... bohemian.
        For reference. My great-grandmother (born 1897) never officially worked for me. At first, her husband did not give (he earned well), then, when he died, she worked at home as a seamstress (unofficially). The problem was solved by a fictitious device for work. Yes, it was possible.
        For those who do not know the Soviet reality. Parasites are those who PRINCIPALLY did not want to work. There has always been a possibility of fictitious employment.
        1. -11
          April 23 2023
          Quote: ism_ek
          The problem was solved by a fictitious device for work.

          Remarkable morality of the builder of communism. "He who sins in silence commits no sin."
        2. -10
          April 23 2023
          Quote: ism_ek
          We know such ladies.... bohemian.

          I didn't know that you, Ilya, knew my wife... She didn't tell me anything about her friend Ilya.
        3. +7
          April 23 2023
          There has always been a possibility of fictitious employment.

          Right! The wife of the secretary of the regional committee in the town of my adolescence and beyond - was employed ... as a cleaner! Why in this particular job? But there was no difference ... Of course, someone worked for her, and she had seniority. For retirement. That was the point. Then, towards the end, they would put her in a higher-paying job that determines the size of the pension.
          Everyone knew, everyone was indignant, they were silent - everyone!
          Because they wanted to live. In the Caucasus, you will not spoil.
          1. -15
            April 23 2023
            Quote: depressant
            Everyone knew, everyone was indignant, they were silent - everyone!

            Rotten morality - rotten society!
            1. +11
              April 23 2023
              And now it's not rotten?)
              Come on.)
              You can find rot everywhere.
              Now it is much more.
              1. -9
                April 23 2023
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                Now it is much more.

                So now we are not building communism ...
                1. +3
                  April 24 2023
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  Now it is much more.

                  So now we are not building communism ...

                  That's exactly why the rot is an ORDER more!!!
                  1. -1
                    April 24 2023
                    Quote: nedgen
                    That's exactly why the rot is an ORDER more!!!

                    Only now for some reason we are not falling apart ...
                    1. +1
                      April 27 2023
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Quote: nedgen
                      That's exactly why the rot is an ORDER more!!!

                      Only now for some reason we are not falling apart ...

                      Only because the leader of the country does not want it. Otherwise, it would have collapsed faster than the USSR
            2. +8
              April 23 2023
              Rotten morality - rotten society!
              And party propagandists are exactly the same rotten.
          2. +10
            April 23 2023
            Everyone knew, everyone was indignant, they were silent - everyone!

            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, that's why it was so with you: it's always like this with cowards.
            And where I lived in the USSR, in the Crimea, there have always been "linguistic" people - this could not be in principle.
            People often object to me about the USSR, so you lived in the Crimea, your whole life was better. I object that I did not live in a resort town, but in a completely industrial one, Kerch, "metallurgists and fishermen."
            But now I understand that where they perceived their Soviet state and were not silent, there was the socialist order, of course, in the 80s, in the conditions of the creeping, so far hidden, capitalist counter-revolution.
            And where they were silent, there were empty shelves. We had not clogged shelves, well, certainly not empty.
            Because the 1st secretary of the city committee lived in my yard, in a neighboring house, in an apartment smaller than that of my parents, workers.
            And his wife was in plain sight, a wonderful teacher in our school, respected by everyone.
            And the principle of the authorities, divorced from reality, is always simple: keep quiet, so everything suits and everything is fine good
            1. +3
              April 23 2023
              . that's why it was so with you: it's always like that with cowards.

              The panties?
              Eduard... Have you ever been tortured? Well, so that they did not die immediately, but lasted for four hours, continuously begging for the grant of death - was there such a thing?
              This is where people resent each other: "You don't know this and that!!! But you don't know this and that!!!" Well, let me join. You cannot imagine how terrible life background can be. And what types of death are proposed for use.
              1. +5
                April 23 2023
                Eduard... Have you ever been tortured?

                And what does this have to do with it, we are writing about the violation of social. legality under the First Secretary of some kind of regional committee? I would like to know what his last name is?
                He said about Romanov in Leningrad that he arranges weddings on the Hermitage silver, now everyone knows that this is a fake, but ... the rumor did its job.
                Someone was tortured in the vegetarian times of the period of the secretaries of the regional committees? I don’t remember who suffered from torture in 83 or even in 85 for speaking at a party meeting or conference? With Perestroika, when it began restoration, away we go.
                This is where people resent each other: "You don't know this and that!!! But you don't know this and that!!!" Well, let me join. You cannot imagine how terrible life background can be.

                I will not argue, I have not seen much, and I did not strive and do not strive. But here I myself served in the Caucasus, the regiment was stationed in Grozny, was everywhere from Makhachkala to Vladik, we "visited" in Sumgait and Karabakh, so it can be assumed that maybe I saw something, and heard something about life and death , over the years, perhaps I forgot.
                But what I remember very well is that torture in the USSR at the regional committees in the 70-80s. XNUMXth century did not have.
                Yours faithfully,
                hi
                1. -5
                  April 23 2023
                  He said about Romanov in Leningrad that he arranges weddings on the Hermitage silver, now everyone knows that this is a fake,
                  It's true, Edward.
                  1. +3
                    April 23 2023
                    He said about Romanov in Leningrad that he arranges weddings on the Hermitage silver, now everyone knows that this is a fake,
                    It's true, Edward.

                    Anton good afternoon!
                    I heard the opposite, but the source, if any, can I?
                    1. -1
                      April 23 2023
                      My respect, Edward!
                      Of course there is no official source. A few years ago, fate brought me together with an interesting person, the son of the head of the Hermitage AChE, who worked under Piotrovsky Sr. Asked a direct question, he confirmed the authenticity of this story. But the plot with Tarasyuk was refuted.
                  2. +4
                    April 23 2023
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    It's true, Edward.

                    It is not true.
                    In any case, about the daughter's wedding - for sure. I specifically studied this issue, there is no evidence, only rumors. As for the wedding itself, until quite recently there were people alive who were actually present at it. The wedding took place at Romanov's dacha, there were only about twenty people invited, and there were no Catherine's services on it.
                2. +7
                  April 23 2023
                  But what I remember very well is that torture in the USSR at the regional committees in the 70-80s. XNUMXth century did not have.

                  And why - at regional committees?
                  Imagine this situation.
                  80s, small Caucasian town. In the evenings on Lenin Street in the mayor's house, as they say now, the entire city and party elite gather for a feast, and with them the local thief in law with his shobla. In general, they drink, eat, then the elite go home, and the bandits go to torture the Russians. In all Russian houses, there was a jar of kerosene in every room. It is better to burn than to be subjected to such tortures, which were offered in the assortment. And the next morning the city still shuddered from a new case. And yet - theft of people of non-indigenous nationality for the purpose of ransom. And this is in a small town! Did you know the KGB? Knew! Letters and telegrams were checked. The leak of panic information was nipped in the bud.
                  Everything went to the disintegration of the country. A general flight began from the city. But you, Russian Russians, cannot be convinced of anything. They didn't convince me then, and they don't now. You are common people.
                  Sorry if offended.
                  1. +5
                    April 23 2023
                    But you, Russian Russians, cannot be convinced of anything. They didn't convince me then, and they don't now. You are common people.
                    Sorry if offended.

                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna,
                    I am not one of the touchy ones, especially in no case do I want to offend you in any way.
                    As I write: I served in Grozny, was in Makhachkala, Kaspiysk, Khankala, Kizylyurt, Khasavyurt, Nazran, Ordzhonikidze (Vladik) and Nalchik. Everywhere except Nalchik there were units of our regiment of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                    In the 90s, I do not argue, a terrible thing began, they took our regiment in Grozny, but earlier where? What year, 80 or 86? 1989 - yes, it broke through, Sumgayit and Karabakh since 1988.
                    But still, what city are you talking about?
                  2. +7
                    April 23 2023
                    But you, Russian Russians, cannot be convinced of anything. They didn't convince me then, and they don't now. You are common people.
                    You shouldn't have to say that. Especially about common people. Usually "general people" are persons of democratic nationality. And more about the dates of the events, most likely - this is 88-89 years. At the same time, all my relatives, who had lived in Namangan (Ferghana Valley) for 50 years, left for Russia.
                  3. 0
                    1 May 2023
                    You speak in such riddles... forty years have passed, after all. What kind of city, what kind of people?
                3. 0
                  April 25 2023
                  Well, how? You probably forgot. Novodvorskaya screamed at every corner that she was tortured in a psychiatric hospital. She didn't really say exactly how. Probably the orderlies refused to deprive her of her virginity, even under the threat of dismissal from the "bread" place, ... but she held her breath))))
            2. +6
              April 23 2023
              Because the 1st secretary of the city committee lived in my yard, in a neighboring house, in an apartment smaller than that of my parents, workers.
              And his wife was in plain sight, a wonderful teacher in our school, respected by everyone.
              And the principle of the authorities, divorced from reality, is always simple: keep quiet, so everything suits and everything is fine
              Good luck with your boss. In Orenburg, the leadership lived in a separate guarded quarter on the banks of the Urals. That the leadership lives there, I found out only in the mid-70s, when I talked with the daughter of the secretary of the regional committee, she was a 3rd year student at the medical institute. Until now, I am satisfied that that communication did not continue. I don’t like the golden youth, although she didn’t belong to it, but you can’t get away from the influence of the environment.
              1. +2
                April 23 2023
                Good luck with your boss. In Orenburg, the leadership lived in a separate guarded quarter on the banks of the Urals.

                Good evening,
                probably.
                Maybe because the town is small. When I began to live in St. Petersburg, I noticed that there was more subservience to the authorities, and to all representatives of the authorities.
              2. +5
                April 23 2023
                Quote: Aviator_
                In Orenburg, the leadership lived in a separate guarded quarter on the banks of the Urals.

                In Sverdlovsk, the leadership lived in the city center in one big house. The apartments were service apartments. Transferred to another post, the apartment must be handed over. There was no security. My sister studied with the daughter of the first secretary of the Regional Committee, went to her house. He himself went to work on foot without protection. Yeltsin's daughters also studied at our school, but they were 15 years older than we did not know them.
                There were also dachas outside the city, again service ones. There were guards there, no one was allowed in, but it was something like a reserve command post for the region. There were bomb shelters, i.e. it was a paramilitary facility.
                Medicine was an important privilege. Yes, there was a separate hospital for the authorities. A separate sanatorium... And so there was no abyss, as it is now, between ordinary people and the leadership. Anyone could become a leader.
                1. +4
                  April 23 2023
                  In Sverdlovsk, the leadership lived in the city center in one big house. The apartments were service apartments. Transferred to another post, the apartment must be handed over.
                  It goes without saying, that's what happened to us. The last head of our office (the head, not the director, as he was approved by the Academic Council of the office) handed over his cottage in the late 80s, the next one was already the Director (lowered from above), then privatized this cottage. Well, and so on.
          3. -1
            April 27 2023
            Quote: depressant


            Right! The wife of the secretary of the regional committee in the town of my adolescence and beyond - was employed ... as a cleaner!
            And were there many such "wives of secretaries" in the USSR? Do you really judge the whole society by this millionth of a percent?
            Quote: depressant
            Of course, someone worked for her, and she had seniority.

            And then what happened to the one who worked for her? Or did she (he) not need seniority for a pension? Don't you think that there is no formal logic here?
            Quote: depressant
            Everyone knew, everyone was indignant, they were silent - everyone!

            Therefore, they were silent, because they knew that they would not have evidence, in which case, they would not have it. That all this is idle speculation of envious people, of whom there are enough at all times and in any society.
      2. +10
        April 23 2023
        Have you heard about the law on parasitism? Two weeks after the dismissal, he did not get a job - they come to find out why you are parasitic. My wife faced this, who was neither a dissident nor an enemy. I just wanted to get where I wanted and I had to wait for the person to leave. Wrapped up...


        We shouldn't be treated like idiots. We do not suffer from a fishy memory and we remember very well that a married woman could just be a housewife.
      3. +6
        April 23 2023
        And - so what? Otherwise, we don’t remember how many people were at work just formally ..

        You clearly do not want to understand the origins of such a law. For if a person does not work, a reasonable question arises, what does he live on then? Either he has illegal income, or he is stupidly homeless. Neither one nor the other - the Soviet government could not allow, at least - en masse.

        As for your example, we don’t need to la-la here .. When in the 70s my stepfather was sent on a business trip to Kazakhstan for two years, we went with him. And the mother - could not find a job in her specialty there in a small town, but did not want to do another. And quite successfully, until the end of the business trip, she sat at home with me. Imagine - it’s not that they didn’t put her in jail for parasitism - no one said a word against it .. So - each case must be considered separately ..
        1. +4
          April 23 2023
          Quote: paul3390
          And the mother - could not find a job in her specialty there in a small town, but did not want to do another. And quite successfully, until the end of the business trip, she sat at home with me.

          And my grandfather lived in a mining village, there, except for the mine, there was almost no work for women, and buses did not go there. She had enough work to do at home. So there almost half the village were housewives. My mother had to stomp several kilometers to school on foot.
          1. +4
            April 23 2023
            A few kilometers to the school were not surprised. Now in the city, in the Central District, in the regional center with a million inhabitants, the child has to walk, through the highway and other roads for almost 2,5 km or by tram. The wonders of urban planning in reality, not in a dream.
      4. +8
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        My wife faced this, who was neither a dissident nor an enemy.

        Do not lie. Nobody canceled housewives. My grandmother never worked anywhere after the war and her marriage to her grandfather. And she died in 2001. The miner's grandfather's salary was enough to support her and her three children. And a pension of 118 rubles since 1970 was enough for two of them. Grandma never received a pension.
        1. -2
          April 23 2023
          No need to be so rude. For example, it was possible not to guess right away, to declare a housewife. The marriage could not be formalized, there could be many circumstances.
          1. +4
            April 23 2023
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            The marriage could not be formalized, there could be many circumstances.

            Well then, she is not a wife in the legal sense, but simply a mistress.
        2. +5
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Do not lie.

          But Shpakovsky cannot do without it.
          I well remember the conversation of my late mother with a neighbor. Mom asks her - why didn’t you work? Answer - and I raised children (she had two) Mom - and what am I, puppies or what? Mom had three of us.
          Yes, they forced men, the police themselves arranged for work. But who? - Asocial. So that they do not wander around the city, do not steal, because you need to live for something.
      5. +8
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ism_ek
        In the USSR, no one was particularly forced to work.

        Have you heard about the law on parasitism? Two weeks after the dismissal, he did not get a job - they come to find out why you are parasitic. My wife faced this, who was neither a dissident nor an enemy. I just wanted to get where I wanted and I had to wait for the person to leave. Wrapped up...
        More than a strange statement! There were no two-week or two-month deadlines. In addition, I know for sure that there were and could not be any claims for employment against dependent persons (including spouses), and, accordingly, they could not be attracted for parasitism!
      6. +4
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Have you heard about the law on parasitism?

        What legislation are you referring to?
        Decree of May 4, 1961, invalidated on 07.08.1975/209/XNUMX? or article XNUMX of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, which was remembered under Andropov?
      7. +7
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Have you heard about the law on parasitism? Two weeks after the dismissal, he did not get a job - they come to find out why you are parasitic.

        Come on, why distort it? Let's start with the fact that students, disabled people and married women who had minor children did not fall under the law. You, as an employee of the regional committee, should be aware of this. As for two weeks, why mislead.....<< Identification of persons evading socially useful work and leading an antisocial parasitic lifestyle, and checking all the circumstances related to this, are carried out by the police according to the materials they have, at the initiative of state and public organizations and statements of citizens .... and more ... Upon completion of the inspection, the militia authorities warn the indicated persons about the need to get a job within a month... not two weeks. And then ... <, < If these persons, even after a warning, do not take the path of an honest working life, the police authorities send materials to them to the executive committee of the district (city) Council of Workers' Deputies,and in the cases provided for by the second part of Article 1 of the Decree, with the consent of the prosecutor - to the district (city) people's court. .That's it. The article itself is correct.
        Article 209 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR stated that "Systematic vagrancy or begging, continued after a repeated warning made by administrative bodies" is punishable by imprisonment for up to two years or correctional labor for a period of six months to one year

        If you don't want to work yourself, they will force you. Why breed drones. At work, during the time of the Union, I met such people, although the zone did not correct them, they did not want to go to jail again.
        This is what the parasite card looked like.
        1. +2
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Unknown
          This is what the parasite card looked like.
          I saw a picture with such a card, but the 7th item was "7. Shot by (date)". laughing
    2. -6
      April 23 2023
      Quote: ism_ek
      Look at China.

      I'm watching. A typical capitalist country with a bunch of multimillionaires, corruption at all levels, where even not everyone has a pension. And what there pyramids are destroyed?
      1. +5
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        A typical capitalist country with a bunch of multimillionaires, corruption at all levels

        So that I live like this in Chinese ... that's what I understand a millionaire ... smile
        13,5 tons of gold in the basement of his house.
        Corruptionist Zhang Qi... where is our colonel from the economic crimes department before him. belay
        His face is like a holy man, an honest and incorruptible hard worker.
      2. +9
        April 23 2023
        You have extremely liberal views on what is happening in China .. But the Chinese comrades themselves clearly explain that they have a stretched-out NEP. Building the economic basis of socialism. And Comrade Xi clearly said at the last congress that this basis has been built. In the near future, China will start building socialism ..

        I’ll tell you more - if the Bolsheviks and Comrade Stalin had guaranteed 40 years of peace, and even trillions of bourgeois investments - and everything would have gone completely differently for us .. But the USSR had TEN years for everything, and - only your own resources. Therefore, there was simply no other way to survive ..

        But the Chinese comrades are lucky. They have a completely different situation. And they just took advantage of it brilliantly. Honor and praise to them. That's what the communist party means.
        1. +3
          April 23 2023
          Quote: paul3390
          if the Bolsheviks and Comrade Stalin had guaranteed 40 years of peace, and even trillions of bourgeois investments - and everything would have gone completely differently for us .. But the USSR had TEN years for everything, and - only its own resources. Therefore, there was simply no other way to survive ..

          How simple is everything for you ... the USSR had 45 years of peacetime before Gorbachev's perestroika ... a powerful military-industrial complex, advanced science, education, a huge administrative and military resource ... how did the top of the CPSU take advantage of all this?
          Absolutely mediocre ... starting with Khrushchev, it was with him that the CPSU began to fade ... people were fed with slogans and promises of a happy life in the future, while pumping out the country's resources to help third countries in the CMEA, Africa, Latin America, without calculating their strengths and capabilities ... as a result, the people were simply tired of this expectation of a paradise life against the backdrop of the economic growth of Western countries.
          Few people came to the defense of the Central Committee of the CPSU at the time of the coup of the State Emergency Committee ... this is an indicator of people's trust in the communists ... everyone blew it with their own hands.
          1. +8
            April 23 2023
            Tired of this expectation of a paradise life against the backdrop of the economic growth of Western countries.
            Pictures of "heavenly life in the West", primitive popular prints, which were distributed by cinema (primarily cinema), played a key role. How they lived there in real life, no one really knew. And everyone thought that the scoop would collapse, and I would have a ten-room house on the seaside with a swimming pool and a full garage for five cars. Yes .
            1. 0
              April 24 2023
              One can ask why in the USSR they didn’t shoot documentary economic films in which they would explain on their fingers why life is not raspberry in the West?
              1. +1
                April 25 2023
                One can ask why in the USSR they didn’t shoot documentary economic films in which they would explain on their fingers why life is not raspberry in the West?

                In the USSR, a lot of political literature was published, explaining why "life in the West is not raspberry." The reality is that the people who "go for carrots" are not the ones who read the books.
                To expect that a person who does not want to make a conscious choice (and reading a book, compared to a zombie box, is always more conscious) will be interested in watching such films is naive. Well, one cannot discount the psychological attitude - "I will be among those who have life in the West - raspberries."
          2. +6
            April 23 2023
            the USSR had 45 years of peacetime before Gorbachev's perestroika

            Do you seriously consider the Cold War era to be peacetime???

            As for the extinction of the CPSU - I agree. And so it was. The reasons for it - I think, in the WWII lost by the USSR. Yes - that's how it happened, WWII won, and WWII - lost. Having lost a supercritical number of convinced and literate communists. The absence of which - and allowed Khrushchev's scum to come to power ...

            Few left - for a simple reason. There was no movement from above. We are accustomed to the fact that we are ruled by honest and sane people. Yes - maybe they did not grab the stars from heaven, maybe they were wrong in many ways, but we - more or less believed them .. And when it suddenly turned out that we were sold and betrayed by our own leaders - the people simply fell into a stupor .. Not knowing where to run and what to grab. For this - I don’t remember something in our history .. I clearly remember that time - and the feeling of the sky that fell on our heads ..

            If there had been at least one honest person in the leadership at that time, who said bluntly - people are betraying us, get up - I think a lot of people would go to defend Soviet power .. But this did not happen, and the grassroots system of communist self-organization was already completely destroyed by that time. So it happened, how it happened. We are ahead of science.
            1. -5
              April 23 2023
              That's why I dislike those of yesterday, so it's for a short memory and inability to perceive facts.
              Let me remind you of some figures to understand what you are calling for to defend almost at the barricades.
              The average salary is 180 rubles. per month
              Cooperative two-room apartment 12 thousand rubles
              Car "Zhiguli" 2106, somewhere around 6,7 thousand rubles. That is almost four annual salaries!
              And suddenly, when the queue comes up, they will only tell you "Niva" for 11200 or away from the queue.
              Gasoline 93rd 30-40 kop. liter
              Electricity 4 kop. kW. hour.
              Are you calling for protection without sparing your belly?
              I remember very well that the family did not live then, it survived, from paycheck to paycheck.
              1. +2
                April 23 2023
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                The average salary is 180 rubles. per month

                And the endless queue to buy a car.
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                Cooperative two-room apartment 12 thousand rubles

                I don’t argue about the price, because I don’t know, but the queues for joining a building society are also pretty
                .
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

                Car "Zhiguli" 2106, somewhere around 6,7 thousand rubles. That is almost four annual salaries!

                When I realized that in a year and a half or two I would get an apartment, and it would have to be equipped - furniture, etc., I wrote an application to the accounting department so that my entire salary would be transferred to the "book". And quietly lived on the salary of his wife.
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                Gasoline 93rd 30-40 kop. liter

                Well, I don’t know, I bought gasoline, 72nd, at a gas station, first for 7 kopecks, and then for 14 kopecks. per liter
                1. +1
                  April 24 2023
                  So why didn't you rush to defend your well-being at the barricades? Or were you waiting for what the engineers would do for you on a salary of 135 rubles?
                  1. 0
                    April 24 2023
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    So why didn't you rush to defend your well-being at the barricades? Or were you waiting for what the engineers would do for you on a salary of 135 rubles?

                    Why didn't you rush? - Rushed.
                    Do you remember the fate of the 2nd shock army of General Vlasov? And, despite the heroism of individual units of the army, Vlasov decided its fate, i.e. commanding.
                    This is how we, in our regional center, could not change the course of events determined by Gorbi and his henchmen.
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    Or were you waiting for what the engineers would do for you on a salary of 135 rubles?

                    And I would "engineers" of my plant and 135 rubles. would not pay.
                    If only because they could not answer my question - what is the main goal of your work at the enterprise?
                    What issue do you need to work on every day?
                    Can you answer? Do you consider yourself an engineer?
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                    2. 0
                      April 24 2023
                      So this is how it is! laughing How to act is necessary, so immediately, we are far from the regional center! am And the rest, was close or what? fool
                      And not only did they pay a small salary, they deducted it for childlessness, they also pestered me with incomprehensible questions! fool
                      1. -1
                        April 27 2023
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

                        So this is how it is! How to act is necessary, so immediately, we are far from the regional center!

                        Or maybe you tell me how we, in the regional center, should have acted in order to save the USSR from destruction? I'm sure you have a plan tongue
                        For childlessness, they began to calculate for me when I got married and not immediately, but after either 9 or 10 months. And what's wrong with that? I want to note to you that the price of children's clothes and shoes in the store was below cost, by the way, like books.
                        Have you been to the bookstore for a long time? Pay attention to prices? And even textbooks.
                        By the way, Chapaev asks absolutely the right question - "Who are you? Who sent you?"
                        Chapaev creates a semi-partisan formation and then, on the ready, someone is sent to him.
                        And what do you dislike?
                        But, you did not answer my question - what is the main task of all engineers and the entire management apparatus in production?
                      2. 0
                        April 30 2023
                        Once again, how very incomprehensible. Who are you to answer naive childish questions? In which he suddenly took that someone should answer questions for you, and defend the Motherland for you. Your morals are clear, someone but not us.
                      3. 0
                        2 May 2023
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

                        Once again, how very incomprehensible. Who are you to answer naive childish questions?

                        My question has nothing to do with the defense of the Motherland.
                        It's about production. The question is not at all naive and not childish. And you, my dear, could not answer it. For they did not understand the meaning of their activities in production. If you really worked in production. If not, I beg your pardon.
                        And the goal, I would say, is the meaning of the activity of any engineer and manager, from the foreman of the site to the director of the enterprise - the creation CONDITIONS to increase labor productivity worker. All other activities of the listed participants in the production should be subordinated only to this goal.
              2. 0
                April 25 2023
                And my grandmother worked for 20 years as a receptionist in a sewing studio. I received 130-150 rubles / month. (With premium). And by the year 85 she saved up 5000 rubles on a book (for which she was compensated in 99. He went out and bought ice cream for all of us with this money.) And at the same time she constantly helped my mother ......
                1. -2
                  April 30 2023
                  And what good is it that the state did not ensure the safety of savings? Under the USSR, there were no gold coins, no metal deposits, no currency circulation. With a double mark-up, there was only the possibility of buying jewelry.
        2. +1
          April 23 2023
          China is embarking on the construction of socialism.
          Even Great Britain is already chugging along with its socialism.
          1. +4
            April 23 2023
            So where does socialism come from? Is there public ownership of the means of production? Or is the profit distributed in the interests of the people? What kind of manner is it to call everything socialism?

            In the West, just being afraid to shiver of the example of the USSR, they decided to share a piece with the people at one time. Calling it for some reason a type of social state. The USSR is gone - the need for handouts has also disappeared ..
            1. 0
              April 23 2023
              The USSR is gone - the need for handouts has also disappeared ..
              Since 1991, neither free medicine, nor social housing programs, nor social benefits have disappeared anywhere. Now it's just a slightly different problem - there are too many who want to.
              1. +1
                April 23 2023
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Since 1991, neither free medicine, nor social housing programs, nor social benefits have disappeared anywhere. Now it's just a slightly different problem - there are too many who want to.
                When something is free, there will always be "too many who want it," regardless of the actual number of people who want it.
        3. +2
          April 23 2023
          But the Chinese comrades are lucky. They have a completely different situation. And they just took advantage of it brilliantly. Honor and praise to them. That's what the Communist Party means..
          And the Communist Party is different there, and so are the propagandists. The Chinese learn from the mistakes of others, although they had enough of their own too.
        4. +1
          April 23 2023
          Quote: paul3390
          And things would have gone very differently for us.

          "Would" always gets in the way, that's right.
          1. +3
            April 23 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            "Would" always gets in the way, that's right.

            Not "Would" but the dominance in the leading party bodies of such, so to speak, "communists" like you
            1. -1
              April 24 2023
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              and the dominance in the leading party bodies of such

              They wouldn't let...
              1. 0
                April 27 2023
                Quote: kalibr
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                and the dominance in the leading party bodies of such

                They wouldn't let...

                So we would not have let it in, but you were such a skillful chameleon ...
      3. +5
        April 23 2023
        There is another pyramid under construction now.
        Pyramid of social ratings.
        Listen to the internet about it.
  5. +1
    April 23 2023
    That is, we need to find something unchanged in all historical eras and on its basis ... create a new periodization of history.

    The unchanging fact is biology. Humans are a species and nothing can be done about it.
    As for power, the top is always the most adapted to the struggle for power.
    1. +6
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Dart2027
      As for power, the top is always the most adapted to the struggle for power.

      Social Darwinism in its purest form ... Gouged to smithereens long before the collapse of the Union, and not only in the union.
      An example is a clown in power in Ukraine. Marasmatic in the USA. Zeke in Italy. A bunch of convicts, replacing one another - in South Korea. Simply put:

      And who is the power there, and who seems to be like an ordinary taxpayer?
      1. +4
        April 23 2023
        Why get up to shake hands with a servant? The chosen government is the servants of the people!
      2. +1
        April 23 2023
        Quote from Bingo
        An example is a clown in power in Ukraine. Marasmatic in the USA. Zeke in Italy. A bunch of convicts replacing one another - in South Korea

        Are you really such a naive person that you seriously believe that these are the real power? The picture you provided clearly says who is more important.
        Quote from Bingo
        Social Darwinism in its purest form ... Gouged to smithereens long before the collapse of the Union, and not only in the union.

        It looks like it, but not really. SD assumed that the best representatives survive and humanity improves. But this is far from being the case. I perfectly understand that starting conditions matter, as well as luck, but no one has canceled the fight where the winner takes everything. Let's take Robespierre - without a revolution in France, he would never have become its head, but he made his way to the top over the heads of his competitors.
  6. +6
    April 23 2023
    Everything is based on coercion
    For several years in a row I have observed two diametrically opposite examples.
    1. The author himself professes the principle of "necessary sufficiency" of the product produced ("I'd rather not write, even for you, Anton!"), which fits perfectly into the scheme of forced labor proposed by him.
    2. My own brother, obsessed with perfectionism in work (I myself, after 30 years in the construction industry, do not "burn" with the profession), although neither money, nor fame (and, as a result, a crowd of customers), nor at least moral satisfaction, the quality of performance given to them, do not bring.
    What about the second case, Vyacheslav Olegovich?
    Thank you for the article!
    1. -1
      April 23 2023
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      What about the second case

      Too little information for a thoughtful and complete answer.
      1. +1
        April 23 2023
        There is a category of people, large enough, doing better work than necessary. They just do not fit into the scheme of forced labor proposed by you.
        1. -3
          April 23 2023
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          They just do not fit into the scheme of forced labor proposed by you.

          They fit in, everything fits in, Anton.
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        3. +5
          April 23 2023
          There is a category of people, large enough, doing better work than necessary. They just do not fit into the scheme of forced labor proposed by you.

          Anton good morning!
          I will express my opinion on this matter. There has been and will be such a category of conditional "perfectionists" in society.
          Much rests on them, contrary to the system.
          I conduct the following lesson with students: a crooked, distorted HR task is handed over from the "boss" for hiring an employee. And the vast majority of those who play the role of HR during the interview, these oblique and curved "tasks" are corrected to acceptable ones.
          As a manager and director, I have seen this for many many years: the more incompetent the leader, the more the performers need to correct his nonsense. Everything is explained again ECONOMICALLY and directly according to Marx good for the literal execution of stupid orders, the employee will be expelled, he compensates for the "stupid" order with his skill, otherwise, he will fly out of work and go to "sell his skill" in the labor market.
          In order not to do this once again, selling is a risky business !!!, it is better to "fix" everything in your workplace and work on it.
          Max Weber also wrote about this, how Protestant entrepreneurs exploited the "thrust" of their brothers and sisters in faith who were inclined to high-quality work.
          laughing
          PS By the way, in the USSR, when I worked at a factory, I did not see that the workers would fall off their feet. Unlike today, the saleswoman in the store is on her feet for 8-10 hours! 10! Stay like that for ten years. The workload is like that of a miner, but the minimum pension and the exit in 60 years.
          1. +2
            April 23 2023
            Load like a miner
            The ceiling will not collapse, there is no need to climb through the cracks, the air will not explode, and it is cleaner than in the face. No, the miners have a harder job.
            1. +4
              April 23 2023
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              No, the miners have a harder job.

              But miners also retired at the age of 50. My grandfather lived longer in retirement than he worked in the mine.
            2. -1
              April 24 2023
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              Load like a miner
              The ceiling will not collapse, there is no need to climb through the cracks, the air will not explode, and it is cleaner than in the face. No, the miners have a harder job.

              I have never been a miner, but for 2,5 months I worked with them on the liquidation ... of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
              Yes, the work is hard and risky. But, unlike the saleswoman, the miner in the face could sit quietly, rest, if he suddenly wanted to.
              Here you try to stand for an hour without moving. Is it hard or easy?
          2. +2
            April 23 2023
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Unlike today, the saleswoman in the store is on her feet for 8-10 hours!

            About 2 years ago I went to Hyperlenta and when I went to the shelves with cheese, I saw that those PS that I wanted to buy were not there. I asked an employee who was passing by (not an employee of this particular department) about the availability, so she immediately squatted down (I didn’t ask her) began to climb the bottom shelf and found them (everyone was chosen in front, otherwise what was invisible from above). In the USSR, the likelihood of such a service was ... Let's not talk about sad things.
    2. -5
      April 23 2023
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      his scheme of forced labor.

      I have a scheme of purely economic coercion - the more I work, the more I get and the better I live. By the way, go, Anton, to "Opinions" - there is nostalgic material about childhood.
      1. +1
        April 23 2023
        By the way, go, Anton, to "Opinions" - there is nostalgic material about childhood.
        Already read. Thank you!
      2. +9
        April 23 2023
        "The more I work, the more I get"
        profound delusion.)
        Fundamental.)
        It is necessary to work not "a lot", but effectively.
        Otherwise, the richest would be the slaves)
        1. 0
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          It is necessary to work not "a lot", but effectively.

          These are synonyms for me.
          1. +1
            April 24 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            It is necessary to work not "a lot", but effectively.

            These are synonyms for me.

            Because you completely lack the concept of what labor is and what its effectiveness depends on
  7. +7
    April 23 2023
    Maslow's pyramid is by no means unshakable, but is just one of the popular theories of motivation. Moreover, there is absolutely no, even empirical data that would confirm it.
  8. +9
    April 23 2023
    The article is one-sided .. Although the author tries to avoid the phrase with "...isms", he actually admires the liberal economy, where the main role belongs to individualists with their pyramids.
    ...There is a "pyramid" of the multimillionaires and the ... beggars.

    Conclusion: the author is a supporter of a market economy.
    The author did not reveal the theme of ownership of the means of production: to society or to the private owner. Accordingly, the topic of creating a surplus product and distribution of surplus value has not been disclosed. And this is very important if the author claims "... to predict the further development of society ..."

    PS
    ... It was necessary to work without fail, otherwise a person was threatened with a prison term for parasitism - that is, Soviet society, in fact, was semi-feudal, no matter how strange it may sound, and many people were not interested in it in the quality and quantity of their labor ...

    Complete BOSH. I won't even comment. Apparently the author did not live in the USSR.
    In the USSR, no one forced my parents and me to work.
    1. -8
      April 23 2023
      Quote: AA17
      Apparently the author did not live in the USSR.

      Not only lived - about how he lived an article on Opinion, but also taught the history of the CPSU at a higher school for 9 years and worked as a lecturer in the OK Komsomol and the RK CPSU. That is, at the very top there was a regional pyramid of power, but ... not so far from it. Went even to the second secretary of the OK CPSU. So I know a lot of things that, alas, you as a commentator do not know.
      1. +11
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        For 9 years he taught the history of the CPSU at a higher school and worked as a lecturer in the OK Komsomol and the RK CPSU. That is at the very top was the regional pyramid of power, but ... not so far from her. Went even to the second secretary of the OK CPSU.

        But at the same time he hated the Soviet Union to disgust! All your articles just scream about it.

        It turns out that you took a very hypocritical position and were a prominent representative of the rotten top because of which the USSR collapsed.
        1. -9
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Stas157
          But at the same time he hated the Soviet Union to disgust!

          Then no!
          Quote: Stas157
          It turns out that you took a very hypocritical position and were a prominent representative of the rotten top because of which the USSR collapsed.

          What do you care about the shoemaker's opinion of you? The main thing is to repair shoes well!
          So here too! Did you do what you were told? Good! So there was a complete approval! What's in your heart is nobody's business.
        2. +6
          April 24 2023
          Quote: Stas157

          But at the same time he hated the Soviet Union to disgust! All your articles just scream about it.

          It turns out that you took a very hypocritical position and were a prominent representative of the rotten top because of which the USSR collapsed.

          A little wrong. Shpakovsky by nature is a weather vane.
          And he began to hate the USSR when he betrayed its ideology. Traitors always hate the one who was betrayed most of all, they hate what they betrayed. This is an axiom.
          1. -5
            April 24 2023
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            his ideology

            Why not betray a vile ideology? You can't, but you must!
            1. -1
              April 30 2023
              Quote: kalibr

              Why not betray a vile ideology? You can't, but you must!

              Vile ideology, you say. But it is written off from the New Testament. Then the ideology of the New Testament is also vile?
      2. +11
        April 23 2023
        Not only lived - about how he lived an article on Opinion, but also taught the history of the CPSU at a higher school for 9 years and worked as a lecturer in the OK Komsomol and the RK CPSU. That is, at the very top there was a regional pyramid of power, but ... not so far from it. Went even to the second secretary of the OK CPSU. So I know a lot of things that, alas, you as a commentator do not know.


        That's what it's about. It explains everything perfectly and puts it in its place.
        Problems in the economy, if they can be called problems against the background of what is happening in market Russia, began after the "miracles" of Khrushchev and, first of all, in the transformation of the party leadership into some kind of new nobility. The members of which, if they were responsible, were only to their superiors, who, in the worst case, would "punish" with a horizontal transfer.
        It is clear that such a system was very attractive to crooks of all stripes and other scum. And over time, there turned out to be more than enough of them, which was used for the collapse of the USSR. This very collapse just showed that there were catastrophically few real communists in the leadership, they were all at the bottom.
        Actually, this criterion was not set by me, if a former member of the CPSU (you can’t call such a communist) is now pouring mud on the USSR, and also on the party itself, through which he was fed, then he is definitely scum and a liar.
        1. -5
          April 23 2023
          Your happiness that you looked at the "temple" from the facade. I was lucky to see from the "back porch". By the way, have you ever visited the patriarchy in your city, worked with its documents?
      3. +12
        April 23 2023
        but also for 9 years he taught the history of the CPSU at a higher school and worked as a lecturer in the OK Komsomol and the RK CPSU.

        Hmm ... Then, reading your non-current works, I begin to understand more clearly why the USSR collapsed ...
        1. -3
          April 23 2023
          Quote: paul3390
          Then, reading your non-current works, I begin to understand more clearly why the USSR collapsed ...

          No, you are just very far from understanding, reading today's my articles. You publish my article from the newspaper to ! May? Released at the time?
        2. -1
          April 23 2023
          Is this how you shield Mikhail Sergeyevich, the very one who announced the need to renegotiate the union treaty and thereby destroyed the union?
          Not for the first time I notice that you are a somewhat strange patriot.
          Let me remind you again and again that you are in fact obstructing weapons with hunting shotguns to counter enemy drones on the front line.
    2. -10
      April 23 2023
      Quote: AA17
      the author is a supporter of a market economy.

      Is that bad?
      1. +12
        April 23 2023
        Vyacheslav is not surprised at all.
        For 9 years he taught the history of the CPSU at a higher school and worked as a lecturer in the OK Komsomol and the RK CPSU.

        Many direct and main ideologists of the liquidation of the USSR were "members" of the CPSU
        Chubais - "... Was a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) in 1977-1991 ....)
        E. Gaidar - "... In 1987-1990 - editor of the economic department and head of the department of economic policy, member of the editorial board of the journal of the Central Committee of the CPSU "Communist"..."
        Is that bad?

        Vyacheslav, explain why all the ideologists and passionate supporters of the market economy are in the public service or use state support: Chubais, Gaidar, Kudrin, Ulyukaev, Siluanov, Kuzminov, former rector of the Higher School of Economics, etc. ?
        What are your successes in business?
        1. -7
          April 23 2023
          Quote: AA17
          How successful are you in your business?

          In the 90s he had his own magazine - the first such magazine in Russia and a company that produced models of tanks and figurines of soldiers. But then I got tired. Too much work. Empirically, I found out that the most beneficial thing for me is to write!
          1. +7
            April 23 2023
            ...Experimentally found out that the most profitable thing for me is to write!...

            So you are a writer, writer. "... Literature [lat. lit (t) eratura, literally - written, from lit (t) era - letter], one of the main types of art is the art of the word ..." (c). And you are a supporter of the market. You receive money from the existing Power.
            "... Art is sold for a piece of bread, it cannot but be sold, because the artist wants to live. In order to live, he is forced to sell the fruits of his own genius. Since the capitalist system knows only goods that are bought and sold, it turns creations into goods fabrics and coffee, so the artistic product must conquer the market... What is the fate of those who, having bowed to the demands of the market, won tinsel success? time drives them forward The ulcer of competition destroys the external and internal prerequisites for bearing significant works In a feverish hurry, artists release their products - just not to be late for the art market called an exhibition; with the same haste the composer creates the "nail" of the new season; the writer works to exhaustion, so as not to be late for the Christmas market. Turning into an enterprising businessman and dealer in artistic goods, the creator perishes, and the treasury of his art soon dries up: the creator of culture becomes its falsifier ... "(Clara Zetkin. Art and the proletariat)
            1. -5
              April 23 2023
              Read my books. They are on the Web in the public domain and for money. You will see the "death of the creator" .... And Clara? Who needs her writings today?
          2. +13
            April 23 2023
            In the 90s he had his own magazine - the first such magazine in Russia and a company that produced models of tanks and figurines of soldiers. But then I got tired. Too much work.

            In some way, it turns out that under capitalism, you also have to work. Suddenly.
            And not all become millionaires, but how dreamed about it, teaching the history of the CPSU.
            So, it turns out, it's not about the gulags, but about the Shpakovskys.
          3. +7
            April 23 2023
            In the 90s he had his own magazine - the first such magazine in Russia and a company that produced models of tanks and figurines of soldiers. But then I got tired.
            As far as I remember, I saved on a technologist for production, production fell apart. I had to retrain.
            1. -1
              April 23 2023
              Quote: Aviator_
              As far as I remember, I saved on a technologist for production, production fell apart.

              Your memory is bad, Sergey. I did not save money, but the Research Institute of Physical Measurements, where they decided to make money on the production of models. I set up production for them and helped with the implementation. And then - they themselves.
      2. +8
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Is that bad?


        Yes. The market economy has no future. This development model can function only with continuous quantitative growth, both in production and consumption. But a natural barrier has been set up for this in the form of limited planetary resources ... and we will not reach Pandora soon.
        1. -8
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Illanatol
          The market economy has no future.

          This is what you think. I remember in the USSR bananas were brought to my city in the summer and green, I had to keep them under the bed. And now there are ripe ones, take it and buy it. And there was no talk of avocados and mangoes. Salmon, trout... have not seen. Heck was "a friend of the workers", and herring was "obkomovskaja b..". And now everything is there. The best result of the market!.
          1. +6
            April 23 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            I remember in the USSR bananas were brought to my city in the summer and green, I had to keep them under the bed. And now there are ripe ones, take it and buy it.

            In the Russian gas chambers, they sing a few hours before the sale, and not in the African sun. So there are as many vitamins as there are green ones.
          2. +2
            April 23 2023
            Salmon, trout... have not seen. Heck was "a friend of the workers", and herring was "obkomovskaja b..". And now everything is there. The best result of the market!.

            There's no need to lie. And there was salmon and trout. Come to any restaurant and please. Yes, the price was biting, so it is not cheaper even now, but the quality is much worse.
            And the "best" result of the market is that the previously penny hake is now a third, or even more, of the price of the same trout.
            1. -2
              April 23 2023
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              Come to any restaurant and please.

              But the store wasn't! And there wasn't much else, right?
              1. +3
                April 23 2023
                But the store wasn't! And there wasn't much else, right?


                What's the point of what is now in stores if the price for it is more expensive than then in a restaurant.
                But now such fish as pollock, hake, flounder, sea bass, cod, mackerel, horse mackerel and the like has become more expensive than meat, besides, the quality is below the baseboard.
                But in the Soviet years, fish was the basis of nutrition, for some reason people saved.
                And about "a lot of things were not." Yes, for some products I had to run, stand in line. But they were quality products. If I used to buy it before, then in the tank with the label the stew was just stew, and in canned fish it was canned fish.
                Now the dominance of surrogates and fakes. So now it's not what it used to be.
          3. 0
            April 24 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            Salmon, trout... have not seen. Heck was "a friend of the workers", and herring was "obkomovskaja b..". And now everything is there. The best result of the market!.

            I do not argue ... about salmon and trout. Now it is on free sale, but I can’t buy it, although I really want to. The price, you know ... But - the market!
            But in the 70s, in grocery stores, there were pyramids of jars of "Cod Liver", and other canned fish, both in oil (and not "with the addition of oil") and in tomato sauce. cod. Yes, and hake, where would we be without it. But you need to know how to cook hake ...
            And, surprisingly, fish in the Russian Federation, any, is more expensive than on the outskirts. Why? The answer is obvious - the market! Despite the fact that the shores of the Russian Federation are washed by two oceans and 4 seas, and the outskirts are washed by only one sea, a year ago there were two seas.
            As for avocados and mangoes, etc., this is only exotic and nothing more. They do not have any special value, in comparison with our fruits and berries.
            1. -3
              April 24 2023
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Now it is on free sale, but I can’t buy it, although I really want to.

              And I can! And why should I be guided by you? It is more logical for you to focus on me. Never lived on one salary, neither in the USSR, nor now. What is your pension? Probably no less than mine. But I don't live on it...
              1. -1
                April 30 2023
                Quote: kalibr

                And I can! And why should I be guided by you? It is more logical for you to focus on me. Never lived on one salary, neither in the USSR, nor now. What is your pension? Probably no less than mine. But I don't live on it...

                Even in such a simple matter, your "intelligence" does not allow you to understand the simple.
                The fact is that I am a producer of material values ​​that were used by everyone, young and old, including you. With retirement, I lost, naturally, the means of production of these values. That's why I live on one pension. You, working with a tongue and a ballpoint pen, did not lose your "means of production" with retirement, therefore you have the opportunity to continue working with this "tool" And, due to the fact that people like me are the majority, then you need to focus on us, and not on you, when determining the price, whether this or that product is expensive or not.
      3. +8
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: AA17
        the author is a supporter of a market economy.

        Is that bad?

        No, it's just old. "The market will decide everything" no longer works. Yesterday. Passed! And now even the Germans, in the discussion of what is better in the economy: competition or cooperation, recognize that cooperation (socialism, planned economy) is more advantageous.
        1. -1
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: AA17
          the author is a supporter of a market economy.

          Is that bad?

          No, it's just old. "The market will decide everything" no longer works. Yesterday. Passed! And now even the Germans, in the discussion of what is better in the economy: competition or cooperation, recognize that cooperation (socialism, planned economy) is more advantageous.

          In its purest form, yes. BUT in a reasonable society is important% of the market and government. Both the state regulation of the economy and the completely market model do not work. You need something in between.
      4. +8
        April 23 2023
        Depending on what you understand by this. The market is different to the market. For very many elements of a market economy existed in the Stalinist USSR. But you, judging by the opuses, are an adherent of the market according to Chubais, aren't you? Then - yes, it is very bad. That we all see with our own eyes and see nonech.
        1. -10
          April 23 2023
          There is no need for illusions, the multistructural nature of the economy of Russia, then the USSR, was destroyed by Stalin, who carried out collectivization. The peasants were suddenly turned from independent workers into hired workers. This was the main reason for the further gradual decline of Russian civilization. And the artels closed under Khrushchev are a trifle that only marked the final ban on independent work.
          1. -1
            April 24 2023
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            It was Stalin who destroyed it by carrying out collectivization. The peasants were suddenly turned from independent workers into hired workers. This and

            Do you even understand what an independent worker is? Have you been an independent worker in the village for at least one year?
            I'm sure you see yourself MANAGING independent workers, but not an independent worker.
            1. -3
              April 24 2023
              Collectivization was carried out by violent methods. The peasants were not eager to join the collective farms, there is no need for fairy tales. And do not attribute to me what I did not say. How do you know who I see myself as?
              The whole point of the then policy was the transformation of all those able to work into hired workers, this policy was carried out rigorously and continuously. Someone liked the idea of ​​making everyone obedient and dependent.
              The result obtained pleased few people, except for the security forces, who for some reason did not begin to defend the USSR and the society that had been built.
              1. -2
                April 29 2023
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

                The whole point of the then policy was the transformation of all those able to work into hired workers, this policy was carried out rigorously and continuously.

                Sergey Alexandrovich, turn on the brains - state employees. enterprises and employees of private enterprises how are they different from each other? This is the first. The second - they, both those and others, aren't they EMPLOYED workers?
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                Someone liked the idea of ​​making everyone obedient and dependent.

                Yes, and for this, this "someone", well, who "really liked", created TRADE UNIONS at each enterprise and, to help them, the Labor Code (Labor Code), thanks to which the head of the enterprise could not be "obedient and dependent" dismiss without the consent of the trade union committee of the enterprise. Those. each worker was protected from the arbitrariness of the administration. And how does this work today? I didn’t have time to express my dissatisfaction with something, but already I was fired without severance pay. And the consent of the trade union committee, even if it is available, which I doubt, is not required at all.
                For a better understanding, the Labor Code of the USSR and, for comparison, the "Labor Legislation" of the Russian Federation will help you.
  9. -2
    April 23 2023
    Good morning and good day to the respected Author and all colleagues who have given themselves the trouble to think!
    No, not the pyramid of "isms" and not Maslow's pyramid. Something else lies at the basis of social development, divided into conditional stages as they are seen by the classics of one or another philosophical and economic direction. Namely, the law to which all living and even inanimate nature obeys.

    It all started with the fact that at one time, while reading the Strugatskys, I drew attention to the flashed term "theory of vertical progress" ... Well, you never know, I thought. After all, fantasy, something like that needed to be said, so they said.
    What made me remember a simple, well functionally defined theory of vertical progress? Sacred dates constantly mentioned in the press, one of which is 2030. According to other versions - 2035. Obviously, it all depends on how many decimal places are used in the number "e" and from which date the period is calculated.
    Well, I smiled sadly...

    In general, hello! wassat )))
    1. +3
      April 23 2023
      Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I don't remember the Strugatskys' particular obsession with specific dates.
  10. +3
    April 23 2023
    Good morning everybody! hi

    Quote: Author
    “Is there anything permanent in history?”

    Interesting, interesting, but...

    Quote: Author
    And the most interesting thing is that there really is something “so unchangeable” in our life. This is our attitude to work!

    Yah! belay I do not agree! am Don't forget that people have their own opinion! Today he thinks such a good job! And tomorrow his mood suddenly deteriorated, and he thinks: what a bad job! This is first.
    Secondly, do not forget about social elevators! Let's look at this example. Let Oleg work in city A as a bus driver, new and comfortable. but suddenly he moved to city B for the same profession, but there is older, not quite comfortable equipment. Where did he enjoy working? It is clear that in the city A. Hence the attitude to work.

    PS I would like to say something else, but then. Have a nice day everyone!
    1. -4
      April 23 2023
      Quote from Kojote21
      Good morning everybody! hi

      Quote: Author
      “Is there anything permanent in history?”

      Interesting, interesting, but...

      Quote: Author
      And the most interesting thing is that there really is something “so unchangeable” in our life. This is our attitude to work!

      Yah! belay I do not agree! am Don't forget that people have their own opinion! Today he thinks such a good job! And tomorrow his mood suddenly deteriorated, and he thinks: what a bad job! This is first.
      Secondly, do not forget about social elevators! Let's look at this example. Let Oleg work in city A as a bus driver, new and comfortable. but suddenly he moved to city B for the same profession, but there is older, not quite comfortable equipment. Where did he enjoy working? It is clear that in the city A. Hence the attitude to work.

      PS I would like to say something else, but then. Have a nice day everyone!

      The concepts of "good work" and "bad work" have nothing to do with forms of coercion.
      1. +2
        April 23 2023
        Let's start with the fact that I DID NOT TALK about forms of forced labor. I spoke about PEOPLE'S ATTITUDE TO LABOR, THAT IS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE APPRECIATE, LOVE OR DO NOT LOVE IT, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT LABOR. This is first.
        Secondly, do not forget that under different types of authorities at a certain time, THESE FORMS OF COERCION CAN CHANGE, AND MORE THAN ONCE.
        Thirdly, DO YOU KNOW THAT WORK IS HONORABLE AND UNHONORABLE? THIS MEANS THAT HONORABLE WORK IS WORK WHICH IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED. WITH THE UNHONORABLE, EVERYTHING IS THE REVERSE.

        PS 1. What I promised to write later in the morning, I wrote it now.
        2. Looking at my comment, do not think that I have a breakdown there, etc. I just highlighted the key points in my positions.
        PS 1
    2. -1
      April 24 2023
      Quote from Kojote21
      Today he thinks such a good job! And tomorrow his mood suddenly deteriorated, and he thinks: what a bad job!

      Were you too lazy to look deeper into this issue? By what criteria does he evaluate work today? 1. A good reward for this work? 2. Do you like your profession?
      The next day, due to a bad mood, - the wife did not give, it started to rain, etc., how will his assessment of work change? No way.
      Quote from Kojote21
      such an example. Let Oleg work in city A as a bus driver, new and comfortable. but suddenly he moved to city B for the same profession, but there is older, not quite comfortable equipment. Where did he enjoy working?

      Well, in city A, of course. But why did he move to city B? He probably got more than a nice job.
      Quote from Kojote21
      Hence the attitude to work.

      No, the attitude to work depends on the character of a person, on his upbringing.
      Even if working conditions are bad, a conscientious worker performs his work as well as the working conditions allow him to do.
      1. 0
        April 24 2023
        Well, well, only there is such a thing as the human factor. And if a person is seriously angry and thinks: well, to hell with this job, then in this case, just the mood plays a role. And so, I agree with you.
        1. -2
          April 29 2023
          Quote from Kojote21
          Well, well, only there is such a thing as the human factor.

          Yes, there is such a factor. The boss didn't like me, but I really liked my job. And he worked on it for 43 continuous years, despite the "human factor"
  11. +8
    April 23 2023
    A very strange statement by the author that after the closure of the Gulag, the USSR began to have problems. According to various sources, the contribution to the total GDP was about 2.5%. Did their disappearance destroy the country? Really "northern" ruined the state? By the way, high salaries there were compensated by high prices. Remember the inscriptions 1, 2 and 3 belt on products?
    1. -8
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Reader
      problems started

      Haven't they started?
      1. 0
        April 23 2023
        And why this year, and not 1963, when the USSR began buying grain abroad. Here, of course, it is difficult to tie, because the Gulag did not remove, but only planted. And then, just planted there. But you can, if you wish. Moreover, they began to mass-produce at 53, but apparently they endured 6 years.
    2. +3
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Reader
      Remember the inscriptions 1, 2 and 3 belt on products?

      These prices are not much different. About five years ago, I dismantled a sofa from the 70s at the late second cousin's granny, so that I could take it to the trash, I saw a sticker there:
      "Soft corner "Lilac". A sofa, two armchairs, a coffee table and a floor lamp. The price of 1 belt is 417 rubles, the second is 420, the third is 423." The difference is some percentage. And as I understand it, belts are not south-center-north, but the price of transporting goods depending on the distance from the manufacturer to the store, otherwise I don’t see any logic.
      1. +3
        April 23 2023
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Otherwise I don't see any logic.

        Planned Economy. Production is more or less uniform) Three zones just - the first belt - the center, the infrastructure is developed, transport costs are at a minimum. The second - it is already necessary to shove from the manufacturer, for example, to the city of Engels. Or, as in the film Mimino - there were desks - the second belt, if in the district) The third - in general, the Northern Delivery, transport is already essential there. This is if the school desk is brought to the village by helicopter to Mimino. And the price in Kyiv and Leningrad with, for example, Ashgabat ... Let's say for furniture made in Leningrad or there on Pepsi - one, and all this is the first belt)
        It’s a separate song that in the USSR transport was precisely hyper-developed and cost a penny, it’s true that there were problems with express delivery)
        1. 0
          April 23 2023
          Quote from Bingo
          Three zones just - the first belt - the center, the infrastructure is developed, transport costs are at a minimum.

          And I'm talking about the cost of transportation. After all, there is no point if Far Eastern caviar brought to Georgia costs less than in the Far East. Or Chukchi venison in the Moscow store "Gifts of Nature" will be cheaper than in the Chukchi store. But the cost of Georgian juice in Kamchatka will naturally be higher than in Georgia.
          1. 0
            April 23 2023
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            After all, there is no point if Far Eastern caviar brought to Georgia costs less than in the Far East.

            Nevertheless, the way it was - a cannery, to put it deeply, in the port, the branches are extended straight to it. And dragging 1000 km, 10000 or 100 with a piece of iron was somehow not particularly critical. But if you need to pull on dog sleds from the same port for 100 km to a village nearby, then this is already a problem. Therefore, it was considered easier to cut it into three zones, and to think so - it would not be worth the money there would be only one caviar and that's it, than to introduce an extra net for only one caviar and consumers from three villages. Unprofitable already by virtue of inflating the bureaucracy. It was just during Perestroika that optimizers came out with such proposals - "The USSR is rotten, for example, caviar in the Far East" ... That's it, in unison - "ayyyyy, the planned economy does not catch mice!"
            And so, consider transportation by railway - free of charge. I don't care - to carry around Moscow on the ring railway or along the Trans-Siberian Railway. FOR FREE. Conditionally, that's why there were posters put out the light - save water ... Yes, even though you don't turn it off at all - the price is the same. Remember Shurik, who again burned the traffic jams in the house, having arranged industrial production in the apartment)))) And the same on the railway - the electrician is free, the composition is also only for loading and unloading. Mileage Moscow-Paveletskaya dash Moscow-Kiev is equal to Moscow-Vladivostok. First zone. But from Vladik to Birobidzhan ... There are no longer central, the main branches - the second will be a zone
            1. +1
              April 23 2023
              Quote from Bingo
              Therefore, it was considered easier to cut into three zones,

              In fact, into three zones, but only by distance, and not by geographical location. If in the Far East red caviar is rowed with a large shovel, then somewhere in the BSSR it is like a delicacy and it cannot be cheaper there. And the only way to convince me is through documentation. Something I have not seen free tickets for passengers. For example, the cost of a ticket from my city to Paveletsky was 4 rubles 20 something, which is about 240 km.
              1. +1
                April 23 2023
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                In fact, into three zones, but only by distance

                And in each store, introduce a staff of a dozen merchandisers - they will count and manually write price tags every day for each new delivery - for each item of goods))) What is cheaper and generally better for the economy - why not drive these 10 roads to repair? Shipping costs will drop immediately.
                At the same time - an absolutely meaningless undertaking, I repeat, at the price of transportation Moscow-Moscow and Moscow-Vladivostok are the same
      2. +2
        April 23 2023
        How to say. Sugar, for example, cost 94, 1.04 and 1.14 rubles. The difference is 20%.Compare the consumption of sugar and soft corners. On a national scale, it is millions and millions.
        1. +2
          April 23 2023
          Sugar, for example, cost 94, 1.04 and 1.14 r
          In what period of time? In the early 70s in Orenburg, granulated sugar was 78 kopecks.
        2. +2
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Reader
          Sugar, for example, cost 94, 1.04 and 1.14 rubles.

          94 - sand. 1.04 - I don't remember. Maybe reed? A rupee fourteen is refined, as far as I remember.
  12. 0
    April 23 2023
    because in one of the "periods" very often there is a certain percentage of the previous one, so that one has to constantly talk about "survivals" and the multistructural nature of the economy.


    And the sprouts of the future "period", you can add. And "periods" at one time can be different even among neighboring peoples, mutually influencing progress and development.
  13. +4
    April 23 2023
    It is quite obvious that such a society could not compete with a society of economic coercion, where no one forces anyone to work for themselves, but where everyone's own well-being depends heavily on the quality and quantity of work.


    It could and did. But you are violating the criteria for a truly scientific comparison.
    "Two systems can be compared according to a given parameter, if the other parameters of the two systems are similar, differ only within the statistical error."
    So the comparison of the USSR with the West is past the box office, all the parameters are different.

    By and large, it does not matter what type of coercion (economic or non-economic) is used: it is still coercion. Stick or carrot - the result is the same.
    There is also a dependence of one's own well-being on the quality and quantity of labor in a concentration camp: if you work well, you get double rations;
  14. +20
    April 23 2023
    Another paranoid bullshit from Shpakovsky.
    The fact that the collapse of the USSR broke his party career, we already know, and he was aiming for the top of the pyramid!
    From here and his hatred for the entire system.
    It feels like the author did not work a single day in the days of the USSR in production. Most likely it was.
    What is the difference between developed socialism and capitalism? Only ownership of the means of production (roughly).
    The worker had to carry out the plan qualitatively. If you didn’t fulfill the plan or released a low-quality product - a minus in salary. Late minus. Etc.
    How does this differ from today's capitalism, which the author bashfully calls "market economy"?
    Why the collapse of the USSR occurred is a separate issue.
    There are no "shoulder" ones, but there are shoulder ones. It is better for the author to prepare an article, otherwise they would not have paid 100% of the fee for this hack in the USSR.
    The shoulder master is the executioner, this is Shpakovsky, as a historian is supposed to know.
    1. +2
      April 23 2023
      It feels like the author did not work a single day in the days of the USSR in production. Most likely it was.


      This is true:
      http://www.penzahroniki.ru/index.php/publikatsii/109-shpakovskij-v-o/759-ob-avtore-shpakovskiy

      And this does not pull on a foreign agent?

      since 2010 - member of the editorial board of the journal "Science and Technology" (Ukraine), since November 2013 - "European Social Science Journal" ("European Journal of Social Sciences").

      In the same years, cooperation was carried out with the magazines of Great Britain - "Tankette" and "War gamer", "Battle Place", Belgium - "La Figurine", Australia - "Plastic modeler", Japan - "Model Graphics", USA - "Fine scale modeler", Czech Republic - "Modelarj", New Zealand - "Tank TV"
      1. +7
        April 23 2023
        Let the investigative committee sort it out drinks
      2. -4
        April 23 2023
        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
        And this does not pull on a foreign agent?

        Imagine no!
        1. +5
          April 23 2023
          Imagine no!


          That's right, your version is even worse. With all my disagreement with the views of Baba Lera (Novodvorskaya), I respected her for her consistency and loyalty to her convictions.
          But repainted ̶k̶o̶m̶m̶u̶n̶i̶s̶t̶o̶v̶ members of the CPSU, I despised and will despise. These are always where it is profitable at the moment.
          1. -5
            April 23 2023
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            despised and will despise

            Inflexibility is a manifestation of stupidity. Don't you go in shorts in winter and in a fur coat in summer? So the behavior of a person changes depending on the information received. You don't know how the door to the party archive opens. And if you knew the documents from there ... it would greatly change your views.
            1. +3
              April 23 2023
              Inflexibility is a manifestation of stupidity.


              Well, yes, of course, during the occupation, those who showed flexibility and reasonableness in your views went to the policemen.

              Don't you go in shorts in winter and in a fur coat in summer? So the behavior of a person changes depending on the information received.


              That's right, some went to the partisans, others received information that the Germans near Moscow, to the police.

              You don't know how the door to the party archive opens. And if you knew the documents from there ... it would greatly change your views.


              Yes, my views are what they were, and remain so. I knew very well what kind of pigsty was formed in the party hierarchy. Therefore, he did not join the CPSU.
              1. -4
                April 24 2023
                Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                I knew very well what kind of pigsty was formed in the party hierarchy. Therefore, he did not join the CPSU.

                But put up with it! And now put up with everything that you do not like. Here, only you can let off steam.
    2. -6
      April 23 2023
      Quote: ee2100
      It feels like the author did not work a single day in the days of the USSR in production.

      I didn't study for that!
      1. +8
        April 23 2023
        Here VOSH is trying to justify itself, but it has long and methodically defiled our past with all its might. It was not cloudless, but what this graphomaniac writes is not true either. He refers to his childhood memories, feelings, etc. But! Its main task is to desecrate the past, and without the past, as we all know, there is no future.
        The message is that the past is "trash" and that means the future is no better.
        There are more and more of these articles that denigrate our past.
        And I don't think it's easy.
        Everything is very accurately articulated, here we write about armor - cheers and applause, and here we pour our past with waste, naturally with an eye to the future.
        The analysis of Shpakovsky’s articles is not my level, I expressed my opinion, but let him look at the RF IC
        1. -2
          April 24 2023
          Quote: ee2100
          in the RF IC let him look

          Write there, Alexander! On the next branch is just material about scammers. Take an example from them and write and you will be happy. Only now your articles will not get any better from this.
        2. -2
          April 24 2023
          Quote: ee2100
          And I don't think it's easy.

          Of course, not casually. If you were in VO for a long time, you would know that I have already been accused of spying for England, and even Japan (!). So you are not original.
        3. -3
          April 24 2023
          Quote: ee2100
          Its main task is to desecrate the past, and without the past, as we all know, there is no future.

          People like you don't really...
  15. +1
    April 23 2023
    Here it is - a "five-member" in the form of a pyramid!
    - the "top of the pyramid" has not yet been reached, but the process has already begun to go down.
  16. +4
    April 23 2023
    After all, it is not for nothing that all the economic problems of the USSR began after 1959, when the last Gulag camps were closed.
    Well, after all, "perestroika" is nonsense! There are a number of studies on the contribution of the Gulag to the economy of the USSR, which give a real, not a propaganda picture. For example, in the essentially anti-Soviet work of A. Tsepkalova it is said:
    The NKVD / MVD forces carried out about a tenth of the state capital construction, and the department provided an average of 2,3% of the cost of the country's industrial output.
    ... The maximum number of prisoners in the USSR was 2,5 million people (in 1950), while the total number of workers and employees in the national economy in the same year was 40,4 million people. At the same time, out of 2,5 million prisoners in the camps and colonies of the Gulag, there were about 2 million able-bodied people. Obviously, the labor fund of the ITL and ITK was small and amounted to just over 6% of the all-Union
  17. +1
    April 23 2023
    I think the concept of "non-economic coercion" is wrong. The need for labor for a person is due to natural causes, this was mentioned in the context of the primitive communal system in the article. Only she didn't go anywhere. Where there is a person, he wants to at least eat, which means he will carry out some kind of meaningful economic activity. The slave owner and the feudal lord, as well as the conditional capitalist, rather implements non-economic alienation (gopstop)))) of the products of activity. The only difference is in the methods.
    Centerum censo Washingtonium delendan esse
    1. 0
      April 24 2023
      The article has a link to the TSB. It even says that it existed.
  18. +1
    April 23 2023
    Quote: paul3390
    And when it suddenly turned out that we were sold and betrayed by our own leaders, the people simply fell into a stupor .. Not understanding where to run and what to grab. For this - I don’t remember something in our history .. I clearly remember that time - and the feeling of the sky that fell on our heads ..

    You accurately described my state at that time.
    Since then, I clearly learned ... "Do not make yourself an idol" ... so as not to be disappointed in him later.
    Our leaders have exactly the same set of human vices and virtues as the rest of the people, no matter what parties they belong to ... in the same way they are bought and sold ... the only question is the price.
    1. -1
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Our leaders have exactly the same set of human vices and virtues as the rest of the people, no matter what parties they belong to ... in the same way they are bought and sold ... the only question is the price.

      How well you said!
  19. 0
    April 23 2023
    Writers - at the top are those who are published, say, in our Eksmo, Rosmen and AST, and receive royalties for their books, at the bottom are those who ... pay for the publication of their books themselves.

    Are you serious?
    1. +2
      April 23 2023
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      Are you serious?

      Quite? And what is wrong? I know such people personally ... Who pay for the publication of their books.
      1. +2
        April 23 2023
        Quote: kalibr
        And what is wrong?

        Well, it’s like AST also publishes me and very willingly, but I definitely don’t belong to the tip of the iceberg)))
        Quote: kalibr
        Who pay for the publication of their books.

        The main question here is why? Perhaps the fact of publication is needed in the resume.
        In general, the writer's reality is now in the process of cardinal changes... For example, one of the few truly professional writers in our workshop (fiction writers of the hit genre) Drozdov A.F. (a graduate of the Literary Institute, if anything) at some point refused to cooperate with publishers at all and switched completely to electronic. Then they still persuaded him, but he still managed without them ...
        1. -1
          April 23 2023
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          Then they still persuaded him, but he still managed without them ...

          So I have 10 books for author-today and for Dream, but AST publishes beautiful books. Electronic ones don't compare.
          1. 0
            April 24 2023
            Quote: kalibr
            but AST publishes beautiful books. Electronic ones don't compare.

            And the mummers Cossacks wear beautiful medals ... but this does not make them a military elite)))
            Quote: kalibr
            Electronic ones don't compare.

            Like it or not, technology is the future. Paper, however, will not die either, but its niche is steadily shrinking.
            Quote: kalibr
            So I have 10 books for author-Today and for Dream,

            drinks
            1. 0
              April 24 2023
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              but its niche is steadily shrinking.

              Let me be left with a narrow niche - gift books and encyclopedias.
  20. +2
    April 23 2023
    Here colleagues say: "So what is permanent in History?" Well, I looked at History and saw that the constant value in it is the struggle for absolute power, therefore, for the food base of a separate group of people in the proposed technological conditions. Regardless of different beautiful ideas about the common good of mankind. Including, regardless of the communist idea.

    And again these intrusive dates - 2030, 2035, constantly exaggerated in various mass media, including Telegram. And, you know, it became somehow anxious in my soul, even dirty. But I can't live in ignorance.
    I should know!
    Then I took the theory of Vertical progress as a basis and did so.
    T1 = 1991 -- 1917 = 74.
    That is exactly how many years the struggle for socialism has lasted in our country. And it was a special period in the existence of all mankind, wasn't it? 1991 - it was the scrapping of the history of our country, the transition to its next stage.
    T1 is the duration of the period, taken as the initial one. That is 74 years.

    According to the theory of Vertical progress, each subsequent period of history is shorter than the previous one by e times.
    rounded
    e = 2.
    Divide T1 by 2,71, we get:
    74 ÷ 2, 71 = 27 years.
    T2 = 27 years.
    This is the length of the period after 1991. Adding 27 years to 1991, we get:
    1991 + 27 = 2018
    Scrapped.
    2018 is the scrapping of our history!
    But wait, what a waste?!? What was there that year? Tossing my thoughts, I remembered - Mundial! The FIFA World Cup held in our country and recognized as the best in the history of such championships. We took, it seems, 4th place, an unprecedented spiritual upsurge reigned in the country, the country seemed to have revived! In October of this year, I came to VO and I remember how a colleague of the Operas (where are you, Oper? Where did fate take you?) colorfully, in enthusiastic terms and clearly proud of himself, described how he stood in a cordon, guarding a football festival in Moscow .. .
    And then...
    On September 27 of the same year, 2018, the pension reform broke out as one of the ways to fight for absolute power. So that's what it is...
    And Mikhail Khazin spoke. Repeatedly. And even before September 27 he spoke. He said, they say, young people, you won’t have a pension in the future, don’t wait, don’t wait, don’t wait ... This Khazin’s echo sounded everywhere - “Don’t wait!”
    This was the breaking of History, not immediately, but surely and finally breaking the ordinary population, who had previously entertained illusions about their relationship with the authorities ...
    And I did not believe, amuse myself! Yah! I said. This is nonsense! I said. But that's just what I said. The young ones didn't talk like that. They, quick of mind, realized that the current old people are a convenient electorate for the authorities (who finally separated themselves from the people in 2020), and they will no longer need the current young people as future electoral old people. Absolute power was taken in 2020, the people are legally separated from it somewhere in the backyard, and it doesn’t matter who will be the Actor of power in the future...

    And I will continue my long comment.
    So, T2 = 27 years.
    Find T3 by dividing 27 years by e = 2.
    Will get
    T3 = 27 ÷ 2, 71 = 10 years.
    2018 + 10 years = 2028.
    What awaits us in 2028?!?

    Find the length of the next period in our country's history using
    T3 = 10 years.
    T4 = 10 ÷ 2 = 71 years.
    2028 + 3,4 years = 2031 + 8 months.
    What will happen in 2031? What awaits us?
    And then, acting in the same way, we will see that the periods of our history are reduced to a year, then to months, and everything, slowing down, passes through the year 2033, steadily approaching the sacred years 2034-2035...
    What will it be? Death or rebirth after the stop of our history?
    But I have no doubts that our authorities use the calculations created on the basis of the theory of Vertical progress. Obviously, additional correction factors are also calculated.
    1. -2
      April 23 2023
      Then I took as a basis the theory of Vertical progress and
      pulled the owl on the globe.
    2. -2
      April 28 2023
      Quote: depressant

      2028 + 3,4 years = 2031 + 8 months.
      What will happen in 2031? What awaits us?

      Actually, 2031 + 8 months is August 2032, not 2031.
      Let me explain. Today we have the number 2023 on our calendar. This means that 2023 from the Nativity of Christ has sunk into eternity, and now 2024 is “flowing”. More precisely, the 4th month of 2024 "expires".
  21. +7
    April 23 2023
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, as happens with him in articles on near-historical topics, consciously or unconsciously misses some important points.
    Okay, we talked about production, about forced labor. There are many controversial issues, but we will conditionally assume that we have generally understood how material goods appear. Only now, between the stage of production and the stage of consumption, there is one more such, you know, a small, but very ambiguous stage - the stage of distribution.
    Let's talk about it. smile
    But you know, it turns out that no “Pareto laws” (in fact, this is not a “law” at all, and upon careful consideration, the 20/80 ratio can fluctuate in various conditions in absolutely fantastic limits) somehow do not work in the field of distribution of benefits. .. Well, or they act, but limitedly, distortedly and exactly the opposite, as in the old Odessa joke. laughing
    1. +3
      April 23 2023
      . the ratio of 20/80 can fluctuate in various conditions within absolutely fantastic limits

      Misha, hi )))
      I happened to listen to the story of an Indian political scientist about these notorious percentages.
      40% of the Indian population eat bad food every three days.
      Another 40% eat bad food once a day.
      Total 80% of the population.
      5% eat bad food three times a day.
      5% eat good food three times a day, children go to school.
      5% eat good food as much as they want, they are wealthy, their children study not only at school, but also at institutes.
      5% - very rich and super-rich.
      Apparently, in India this is possible - the climate allows and forces.
      And the population is growing.
  22. +1
    April 23 2023
    So what do we end up with? Periodization without “isms”, only from three stages of socio-economic development: the era of natural coercion to work, the era of non-economic coercion to work and the era of economic coercion to work, with an appropriate set of social pyramids.


    "Dry, my friend, theory is always. But the tree of life..."

    Sorry, but such a division into stages is very conditional and blurry in reality.
    Because all three types of coercion have been present throughout History, simultaneously.
    Beginning, perhaps, with the Neolithic.

    A specific example, the reflections of a primitive savage.
    1. Damn, you still have to go hunting and get a deer or a wild boar, otherwise your belly let you down (natural coercion).
    2. The leader said that the day after tomorrow we will go to bring down the mammoth. It's scary, but we'll have to go, we have a stern leader (non-economic coercion).
    3. It would be nice to get a silver fox and exchange it for a couple of new hatchets, the old ones are worn out (barter exchange, economic coercion, the embryo of commodity-money relations).
    1. -1
      April 29 2023
      Quote: Illanatol

      A specific example, the reflections of a primitive savage.
      1. Damn, you still have to go hunting and get a deer or a wild boar, otherwise your belly let you down (natural coercion).

      How can a NEED, a NECESSITY (to fill one's belly) be a COMPULSORY?

      coercion, coercion, pl. no, cf.

      1. Action according to Ch. coerce - coerce. Do something under compulsion.

      | Violence, violent measure. Apply coercion. coercive measures.
      Ozhegov (dictionary)
  23. +3
    April 23 2023
    After all, it is not for nothing that all the economic problems of the USSR began after 1959, when the last Gulag camps were closed. Everything that came from there now had to be received for money, to pay “northern” people, which increased the cost of everything at times.


    What nonsense! And what, the maintenance of prisoners, is not worth the money? No need to feed, no need to build barracks, no need to guard? All this costs money. The work of convicts was not really free. Moreover, when the economy was transferred to a market economy, it turned out to be unprofitable, which is why it was abandoned. And in the camps, in fact, only a small part of marketable products was produced.
    Economic problems began in the USSR a little later, in 1959 the Soviet economy felt, on the whole, not bad. There were problems, but they were more connected with voluntarism and Khrushchev's ill-conceived reforms. Later, problems began with a huge outflow of investments in the fuel and energy complex, in the development of Siberia and the Far North, as well as in infrastructure projects and housing construction. It is very difficult to simultaneously grow in breadth and height, to develop extensively and intensively at the same time. Hence the notorious "stagnation".
    1. -3
      April 23 2023
      "the problems began with a colossal outflow", and here you are both right and wrong: Necessary., huh, was the North necessary? Necessary! The "affordable housing" program is what is needed now.
      "Infusion" into the fuel and energy complex, thanks to this, our utility bills, by and large, were "symbolic"
    2. +3
      April 23 2023
      The camp, by and large, was a production enterprise, with its own production plans, where 7 skins were flogged from the administration for their implementation, and for non-fulfillment or unsatisfactory maintenance of "workers" (zek), with their increased morbidity or mortality, it was easy to to be on the same bunk.
  24. +1
    April 23 2023
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    Only now, between the stage of production and the stage of consumption, there is one more such, you know, a small, but very ambiguous stage - the stage of distribution.


    For most economists, it was considered an axiom that whoever controls production also controls the distribution of the material goods produced.
    But reality has shown that this is not an axiom at all.
  25. +3
    April 23 2023
    Quote: ee2100
    What is the difference between developed socialism and capitalism? Only ownership of the means of production (roughly).


    The fundamental question is not about the ownership of the means of production, but the question of the ownership of the produced product and the nature of its distribution among the members of society.
    And there are still more differences between socialism and capitalism.
    Let's put it this way: the model of a capitalist society is a bunch of single-celled organisms that compete with each other, devouring the weaker ones.
    The model of a socialist society is a multicellular organism, individual cells (individuals) perform their specific functions, work together.
    The most "free" cells in the body are cancer cells (analogous to the intelligentsia, if you like).
    1. +3
      April 23 2023
      In general, everything is correct. The same is simpler, but the view from the side, if you look at it from a slightly different angle, if you will. Capitalism is not about a person and society, but exclusively about profit at any cost, about loot and only, socialism is about the development of society based on the creative intellectual development of the potential of each member of society.
  26. -1
    April 23 2023
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, "who had not a penny for his soul," when he met with Captain de Treville, the Gascon had: a pistol. What is a pistol equal to and what can you buy with that money? All questions to Anton. He is our connoisseur of medieval money, but I do not want to bother. Full of your worries
  27. +3
    April 23 2023
    After all, it is not for nothing that all the economic problems of the USSR began after 1959, when the last Gulag camps were closed. Everything that came from there now had to be received for money, to pay “northern” people, which increased the cost of everything at times.

    Can you be more specific? What percentage of payroll is in the budget of "northern" projects? And when we talk about the "free" labor of a citizen of the ZK, then where do we attribute the costs of security and defense? In order for the guard to be loyal, he also needs to be paid "northern", but the labor of slaves has always been inefficient.
  28. +5
    April 23 2023
    Again, without the GULLAG, nowhere, otherwise the author does not add up the chain of his logic. As soon as the speech touched on the "bloody tyrant" and the camps, and even with the subsequent mention of the article for parasitism, everything became clear and you can not even read this "profound" opus of the "gifted". In the 90s and now there are no camps, no article for parasitism, has it become better, has everything directly flourished in a "bright and progressive" inherited class society without social elevators? The question is rhetorical and does not require an answer.
  29. 0
    April 23 2023
    Indeed, in both cases, the bulk of the workers are forced to work by force!
    Under feudalism, no one forced labor to work: the beggars quietly begged (it was under capitalism that they began to be crushed, see the law on vagrancy, sleeping on ropes, etc.). Under feudalism, they demanded a part of the product produced (on the land of the feudal lord). Slavery, IMHO, Marx introduced to pull the case of the Roman Empire onto the globe. This is how slavery exists under the primitive communal system, and under feudalism, and under capitalism (not only the notorious blacks, but also US prisoners), and under socialism (not only prisoners, but also slaves in brick factories in the Caucasus), then there is everywhere where forced labor is beneficial (it is not even necessary to pay for feeding: a slave may well die) and they are not severely punished for him.
    After all, how to become rich without a mind? No way!
    Rob the rich.
    Industrial robots will replace humans in a range of jobs
    Industrial robots themselves have been supplanted by flow technologies (high-precision casting, high-precision stamping, etc.). However, they have a chance to return if they drastically fall in price.
    "Homemade" will again be in price
    Will not: the quality of handmade cannot be compared with the industrial one. Only show-offs (such as designer clothes).
  30. +3
    April 24 2023
    "There are not enough professions and you can change your place in the pyramid"? Suppose a cook retrains as a seamstress and what place in the pyramid will he change? He has been exploited and will remain so.
    1. 0
      April 24 2023
      Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
      He has been exploited and will remain so.

      But in the new pyramid, he may be on a higher step.
  31. Fat
    +2
    April 24 2023
    hi Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich. I am very sorry that I missed the release of your article ... I really wanted to participate in the discussion. The general opinion is: You incredibly simplified everything and mixed everything up. It turned out instead of something complex - a set of projections of a complex object onto a plane. Well, actually, it wouldn't work any other way. Everyone will have to figure it out on their own to the best of knowledge about the "principles of reading drawings and diagrams" smile
    Everything looks "archisporno" (and therefore extremely interesting) that a strong revival of commentators is expected.
    Thank you, pleased.
    1. -3
      April 24 2023
      Quote: Thick
      Well, actually, it wouldn't work any other way.

      I kept thinking when there will be a person who will notice and understand this. Found ... one! You! I'm glad, although why rejoice? Once again, I will be convinced that even here in VO many people are akin to Chinese push-button cars. Click on the left button - to the left, on the right - to the right. Or there is another example - oxen: Tsob-tsobe and let's go!
      1. +2
        April 24 2023
        I kept thinking when there will be a person who will notice and understand this.

        Will understand that
        You have simplified everything incredibly and mixed everything up. It turned out instead of something complex - a set of projections of a complex object onto a plane.

        or what
        Everything looks archaic

        ?
        Do you think, apart from Alexei, none of the commenters understood this?
        1. -1
          April 24 2023
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Do you think, apart from Alexei, none of the commenters understood this?

          Can't see from the comments!
      2. +1
        April 24 2023
        Once again, I will be convinced that even here in VO many people are akin to Chinese push-button cars.

        It so happened, in a family of rats,
        Wherever you spit, narcissus, narcissus,
        And they only have one idea
        Rowing into the hole, but eat more satisfying.
  32. +5
    April 24 2023
    By and large, the history of mankind can be divided into two large stages, different in relation to labor.
    1. Labor as a forced (no matter who / what) necessity.
    2. Labor as a conscious need of a healthy person.
    We are still at the first stage. Although there are those among us who have already grown to the second ...
    1. 0
      April 24 2023
      Quote: Illanatol
      By and large, the history of mankind can be divided into two large stages, different in relation to labor.
      1. Labor as a forced (no matter who / what) necessity.
      2. Labor as a conscious need of a healthy person.
      We are still at the first stage. Although there are those among us who have already grown to the second ...

      This is a very good idea you came up with! Very interesting idea! Thank you!
  33. +3
    April 24 2023
    Yes, simply because such a division would expose the immaturity of the Soviet era, in which, as under slavery and feudalism, there was non-economic coercion to work. It was required to work without fail, otherwise a person was threatened with a prison term for parasitism - that is, Soviet society, in fact, was semi-feudal

    In addition, this society could not do without the purely slave labor of prisoners.

    After all, it is not for nothing that all the economic problems of the USSR began after 1959, when the last Gulag camps were closed.

    It is quite obvious that such a society could not compete with a society of economic coercion, where no one forces anyone to work for themselves, but where everyone's own well-being depends heavily on the quality and quantity of work.

    I will never cease to wonder why the author of such pearls considers himself to be among the 20% he fetishizes, to understand who else (the elites, probably).
    1. -3
      April 24 2023
      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
      I will never stop wondering why the author of such pearls considers himself to be among the 20% fetishized by him

      Timur! When you have 3000 such pearls and 40 books in different countries of the world, then you will understand. Until then, no way!
      1. +2
        April 24 2023
        Why do people think they are what they are not?
        Do you have to be a graphomaniac to do this? That is, let's say, a dozen scientific papers, 18 patents (of which 2 are commercial), launches (author's supervision) in different countries of the world (India, Peru, Chile) of industrial complexes, knowledge of 4 foreign languages ​​is not enough to understand if you are not Daria Dontsova ?
        1. 0
          April 24 2023
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          That is, let's say, a dozen scientific papers, 18 patents (of which 2 are commercial), launches (author's supervision) in different countries of the world (India, Peru, Chile) of industrial complexes, knowledge of 4 foreign languages

          Is that all you, Timur? Then congratulations, I am happy that I know such a talented person, even if anonymously.! But you have your own "pyramid", and I have mine and they cannot be compared.
          1. 0
            April 25 2023
            But you have your own "pyramid", and I have my own and they cannot be compared.
            - now I don’t understand at all: that is, your pyramids cannot be compared, but Egyptian pyramids and Marx’s pyramid can be compared, because they are ... draws?
            1. 0
              April 26 2023
              Quote: BMP-2
              and the pyramids of Egypt and the pyramid of Marx can be compared,

              And who compares them and where?
  34. +1
    April 24 2023
    With forced labor is not so simple.
    The transition to feudalism is a transition to partially economic coercion - the serf must himself take care of his physical survival. To do this, he is granted partial economic freedom.
    At the same time, capitalism is not free from non-economic coercion. In order for economic coercion to work, a reserve army of labor (the unemployed) is needed. It is the reserve army of labor that artificially reproduces the natural compulsion to work. Naturally, such an army of labor is created by non-economic methods. Moreover, at the beginning of capitalism, they tried to use this reserve army of labor productively through workhouses.
    Under socialism there should be no unemployment. But industrial production requires a reserve army of labor. And it, too, was created artificially. Yes, the Gulag is a form of workhouses.
    1. -1
      April 28 2023
      Quote: SVD68
      With forced labor is not so simple.

      Quite right. The very message - FORCE is not entirely correct. Because they work not out of COMPULSORY, but out of NECESSITY. Labor is the basis of the existence of the individual. Our ancestors used to say - "You won't stomp, you won't burst", "Who doesn't work, he doesn't eat" It's all about the distribution of the product of labor. What part of the product of an individual's labor goes to the individual.
  35. +3
    April 24 2023
    I haven't read such confusion and free interpretation of economic, political and philosophical ideas for a long time.
    Of course, other commentators noted that the author attaches too much to the contribution of correctional systems to the general budget of the USSR. The country grew by industry, and heavy. However, it is useless to write all this, the author, in fact, equalized the slave owners and feudal lords, they say, they were forced to work! ))
    Now they don't force you?

    PS Pyramids have to do with it? For a pretty picture? Were they built by slaves? Current free builders, not sure they will repeat
  36. -1
    April 25 2023
    Good article. But there is not enough mathematics: analysis, statistics, frequency density of economic indicators. After reading the comments, like yours, an endless philosophy, unsupported statements. There are many constants: lies, ignorance, deceit, hypocrisy. Here, one of the tops of the pyramid that spoils history. And as always, "history is written by the winners" among which there are deceivers "winners".
  37. +3
    April 25 2023
    Oh, Olegovich arranged another social experiment in order to test the state of vigilance after the next anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Ilyich:?) Oh, those tireless storytellers: they strive to unite an owl with a globe! laughing And why, then, have they forgotten about another type of pyramids: about financial ones? And they didn’t say a word about the sad fate of Mavrodi:?)
    And what kind of free translation of Maslow is this: after all, he wrote about self-actualization, and not about self-expression. At the same time, he claimed that during his life he managed to meet a dozen or three self-actualized personalities. He said about the rest that about 2% have a chance. Well, that is clearly not 20%. Or is this also the effect of a (financial) pyramid: the top disappears without a trace? lol
    In general, his hypothesis about the consistent satisfaction of the levels did not find confirmation and was discarded by serious science. Yes Although, what does it matter? wink The main thing is the aesthetics of thought? wassat
  38. +3
    April 25 2023
    I read. I got to the point that difficulties with the economy of the USSR began after the dispersal of the gulag began to spit. Difficulties with the economy were created by durogon Khrushchev. In particular, food problems began after the liquidation of subsidiary plots among collective farmers. economy.Three, Carl!!!. And they managed to earn and cultivate these three hectares on the collective farm. The harvest was sold through the market and a procurement office came, so do not tell tales about the slave labor of collective farmers. And about the gulag, take an interest in your idol, the unworthy Solzhenitsyn. He convincingly describes the "efficiency" of the gulag.
  39. +7
    April 25 2023
    The article is not controversial - it is initially provocative. Moreover, the author swims perfectly "in the subject" because he was close in Soviet times. In fact, he is engaged in fraud and what to hide - a lie. I don’t know why the Soviet government offended and angered the author so much. What I see and how I see, the author is an ardent Russophobe, anti-Soviet, an idealist sliding towards banal Nazism. Write about the history of weapons - these are interesting articles. Alas, philosophical reasoning is at the level of Solzhenitsyn and of the same color and "flavor".
    1. 0
      April 28 2023
      I totally agree.
      And there was no need to offend the author of the Soviet government, he simply writes what is in trend. We have been slandering the Union for three decades, because how else to justify its destruction. By the way, experience shows that anti-Soviet people necessarily become Russophobes. Some earlier, some later.
  40. +1
    April 26 2023
    An interesting point of view, feudalism in the USSR. I myself somehow came to the conclusion that the Brezhnev-era Soviet Union was definitely an absolute monarchy. But adults convinced me that it’s not worth talking loudly about it.
  41. +1
    April 26 2023
    Quote: kalibr
    But you have your own "pyramid", and I have my own and they cannot be compared.


    Then what is the point of this pyramidal architecture?
    After all, for the generalizations that you make, you need a commonality of principles that lie in these pyramids, right?
    Or will 20% in one pyramid mean something different than 20% in another?

    The application of the Pareto principle in sociology, to put it mildly, is not very original and, I note, archinedemocratic. After all, the correctness of this principle justifies the "naturalness" of vertical-hierarchical systems, such as the same feudalism. So what is the essence of your reproaches to the Soviet power, which you reproach for its "feudal" nature?
    And if the whites had won, would there have been no feudalism (smoothly turning into soil fascism)? Or would there be continuous Schubert waltzes to the crunch of French rolls? laughing
    1. 0
      April 26 2023
      Quote: Illanatol
      And if the whites had won, would there have been no feudalism (smoothly turning into soil fascism)?

      And who knows? "Would" interferes as always ...
  42. +2
    April 27 2023
    Quote: kalibr
    And who knows? "Would" interferes as always ...


    Should I remind you of the basics of "scientific communism"? Former teacher?
    Please ...

    "The relations of production are determined by the level of development of the productive forces."

    As a result of the First World War and the Civil War, these very "productive forces" were thrown back for many decades to come. "Russia in the dark", yeah.
    And what did we have 70-80 years before that? Serfdom, Arakcheevshchina and other, quite "feudal" delights. So - no "would" interfere here, everything is quite predictable.

    Yes, the construction of socialism, industrialization according to Stalin was carried out by rather harsh (if you like, "feudal") methods. Simply because no other methods were simply impossible and inapplicable in specific conditions (both internal and external).

    By the way, you contradict yourself. If all "isms" are based only on coercion (which is not true), then capitalism, it turns out, too. Then your thesis that under capitalism "everyone is interested in the quantity and quality of labor, since well-being depends on it" - comes into conflict. Since in the latter case we are talking about a positive stimulus ("carrot"), and coercion is always a negative stimulus ("stick").
    In fact, with any "change" there was a combination of a stick and a carrot. Only the balance has changed.
    And even under Stalin, "gingerbread" was also in use, if possible. Let us recall how kindly Stakhanov (and others like him) were treated, how during the war cash bonuses were paid for destroyed tanks and planes, for captured "tongues".
    And it was the Soviet people who received freedom that was inaccessible to Western hard workers. If you want to work hard - work honestly, go to the "north" ... if you don't want it - sit in the office on a salary, beating pears and drinking tea during working hours. In the West, either you give your all, or march out of the gate, to the labor exchange ... negative incentives (whip) and in "civilized" countries prevail over positive ones ... fear of being on the sidelines of life, and not at all "dependence on well-being" makes it spin like a squirrel in a wheel ...
  43. 0
    April 27 2023
    Quote: Stav
    What's with the pyramids? For a pretty picture? Were they built by slaves?


    Pyramids in Egypt were built by peasants (sons of peasants, to be more precise) by labor service. Moreover, the duty was considered honorable, since it opened up access to social elevators: if you were lucky, you could become an official or a scribe.
    It can be seen that the author is still relying on the nonsense of Herodotus, as slaves tore the veins, pulling heavy blocks ...
    1. 0
      April 27 2023
      Quote: Illanatol
      It can be seen that the author is still relying on the nonsense of Herodotus, as slaves tore the veins, pulling heavy blocks ...

      I had a whole series of articles here: WAR, GOLD, PYRAMIDS. And it seems that you were already present at VO then ... There is just about this in great detail. Read it, you don't have to write "seen" ...
  44. 0
    April 27 2023
    Quote: kalibr
    I had a whole series of articles here: WAR, GOLD, PYRAMIDS. And it seems that you were already present at VO then ...


    No, I didn't attend. If you hover over a nickname and click, a brief info about its owner will appear. So you could easily find out that I registered on this site only on January 11, 2021. Your cycle was posted much earlier (part 10 was only on June 28, 2017).
    1. 0
      April 27 2023
      Quote: Illanatol
      No, I didn't attend.

      Yes, you had to point and click. But the fact that I didn’t point it doesn’t change anything ...
  45. +1
    April 28 2023
    I haven't read more nonsense in a long time.
    Admins, can you create a separate section for such opuses?
    1. 0
      April 30 2023
      I agree, but what will this section be called? "Heading of opuses"? "Careful, opuses!"? Or how would you call it?
      1. 0
        April 30 2023
        Maybe "About Gavrila". (This is where "Gavrila suffered from gangrene ...")
  46. +1
    April 30 2023
    "The mountain gave birth to a mouse."
    The article is full of demogogy and empty chatter: weak and contradictory argumentation.
  47. 0
    April 30 2023
    problems in the Soviet economy "began", including after Khrushchev's decisions to ruin the cooperative production of consumer goods, including household plots ...!
  48. 0
    7 May 2023
    It was required to work without fail, otherwise a person was threatened with a prison term for parasitism ...
    The USSR needed surplus value, which could be converted into products. Part of the production was sold to the foreign market, and most of it was appropriated and circulated in the country.
    Since the USSR until the 70s was an agrarian country, where a large proportion of labor was manual, the choice is natural: many hands are needed.
    As a result, strict laws in labor relations - parasitism should not be. Some kind of human being must give surplus value to the state treasury - even the disabled, even the poor.
    And it is right. Otherwise, they would not have received economic growth of 18% per year since 1929.
  49. 0
    23 May 2023
    What you got is not a periodization without "isms", but three stages of one "ism" - slavery, i.e. involuntary labor. Only in the first case, nature acts as a slave owner, which "forces" a person to work, in the second - a feudal lord, monarch, tsar, sultan, in the third - a capitalist (businessman, entrepreneur). Where in these stages of socio-economic development did you find development? Forced labor remains the same. Only the owner-beneficiary changes. This is not the development of society, but stagnation in the conditions of idle scientific and technological progress.

    It is strange that you write that "isms" will be done away with, although you describe typical capitalamended with its economic coercion and uneven distribution of wealth. At the same time, for some reason, drive on Marx and the USSR. Maybe because these were and are the only threats to capitalism and its model of economic coercion?
  50. 0
    24 2023 June
    There are a lot of beeches about nothing. How to become rich without a mind? Yes, very simple. In the primitive communal one had to be just the offspring of the head of the clan, in the feudal heir of the lord, in the capitalist banker. They did not live up to communism, and yet, according to the already established trend, it can be assumed that the offspring of the elite would also not deny themselves anything. The trick is that power and wealth accompany each other and magically do not evaporate anywhere with the loss of the carrier, they will always have successors.
  51. AB
    0
    July 19 2023
    It looks like the author is a cookie. Some kind of cruel nonsense. I was especially pleased about the USSR and the Gulag camps. People seem to have no idea what was going on there and what was happening in the country.
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