As Estonians and Latvians invincible armies bragged

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Estonians started. That's what they wrote in the newspaper. "Postimees" 6 November:

“The defense forces of Estonia and Latvia, which started from one line twenty years ago, are now in a diametrically opposite position. Latvian Defense Forces are not ready to fight at all. They can neither defend their country nor cooperate internationally. Estonia’s southern border is defenseless. ”


As Estonians and Latvians invincible armies bragged
Latvian soldiers who took part in the Spring Storm exercises in Estonia do not have uniforms suitable for field conditions, and it is very easy for the enemy to pick them up. (photo: Mihkel Maripuu, http://rus.postimees.ee/)


How did the Latvians blunder? Here are the Estonians - well done. Judge for yourself. Their country is the smallest in the Baltic area. And in terms of population, too. But it can protect itself: after all, the Estonians themselves consider it a country “with independent defense capability”.

“You shouldn’t go into euphoria, but basically it means that the Estonian army is able to fight and protect the state. With some amendments, the same can be said about Lithuania, but certainly not about Latvia. “In terms of security, Latvia is an empty place,” said Kaarel Kaas, an expert at the International Center for Defense Studies.


Estonians were worried that in the event of an attack they themselves would have to defend their southern border - the Latvian army, that is, the “empty space”, would not help them.

(Another question is, who from the south can, through Latvia, bypass routes invade independent Estonia, such as Minsk residents and Pskov citizens).

But in proof of the fact that the Estonian army is invincible, the above-mentioned newspaper quotes the words of Karlis Neretnieks, a retired general of the Swedish army, who, incidentally, has Latvian roots, so you will not accuse him of bias.

He took and investigated the defense capacity of the Baltic countries - and came to the conclusion that Estonia is a cut above the rest. Moreover, in a few years the gap will become even larger. Brilliant.

In another article, written by Mikka Salu, the army of two neighboring republics are compared in numbers.

If in Estonia today 5000-6000 military personnel are in service, and in wartime 30-40 thousand can stand up, in Latvia 1,7 thousand and 12 thousand respectively. The Estonian defense budget of 2009-2010 is EUR 565 million euros, and Latvians have only 370 million euros. And if valiant Estonians, in case of anything, start to fight with machine guns, machine guns, mortars, artillery, air defense, anti-tank armament and sit on armored personnel carriers (maybe even go), then the Latvian soldiers will be able to walk, run or crawl with machine guns and machine guns. Some lucky men will get rare mortars.

From such comparisons, dissatisfaction with the idleness of Latvians in Estonia is growing. Hence the seemingly absurd statements: "Latvia is a threat to the security of Estonia." So say the retired military Ants Laaneots and Leo Kunnas. Or, say, such an authority as the head of the United educational institutions of the Defense Forces, Colonel Aarne Hermus. A couple of years ago he gave a comparison in the Diplomaatia newspaper of the armed forces of Latvia and Lithuania. Readers were able to enjoy the author’s artistic style: in the event of war, the Latvian army, he wrote, would be able to guard sacks of flour in the rear.

The misfortune of Latvia is that Mikk Salu admits that there is no military service in the army in Latvia - there are only professional soldiers, but in Estonia there are conscripts, reservists, and professional military personnel. In short, in Estonia there is everything. The author does not forget to add:

"At the same time, Estonia is superior to Latvia in all respects, both quantitatively and qualitatively, we have more soldiers and they are better trained, we also have more equipment and it is more qualitative."


And what can the Latvian machine gunners?

“The Latvian armed forces are, in fact, lightly armed infantry, which means the presence of assault rifles, machine guns and mortars. In Latvia, there are almost no armored personnel carriers, anti-tank equipment, artillery and air defense ... Our warring soldiers move on armored personnel carriers, and the Latvians run on their own two. "


General Ants Laaneots also makes fun of Latvians. In his opinion, probably in order to save, the Letts acquired for their warriors “universal uniform”, from which there is no good:

“Everyone who visited the Estonian Defense Forces' Spring Storm” exercise, where Latvian units take part every year, could see with their own eyes that Latvians in their funny beige-spotted outfit from afar are conspicuous and soldiers of the Estonian Army can beat them Latvian professionals are like chickens. ”


Salou knows what the problem of Latvians is in money. They have no money. Estonia spends 40-50% more on defense than Latvia. But this is only official. In fact, the Latvians also spend their military budget in a very original way. For example, a company car for the president easily fits in with defense expenditures. There can also enter the construction of athletic fields. Why? Do not the soldiers need to pump up muscles?

And from such expenses, the generals in NATO, we note, begin to think: yes, the Latvians are spending on defense, this is good. And look - on a sports ground something at all not military. And if you look closely - even non-citizens come across. It is better to write together: non-citizens.

So much so that the Latvians included in the defense expenditures of the Bank of Latvia’s security team, as well as spending on organizing singing holidays, in defense expenditures emboldened by their own postmodernism.

Points are being rubbed into the NATO members by a promise to increase the country's defense budget to 2%. We will probably add from ourselves that they will start keeping orphanages with this money and build cinemas. This is a very peaceful country, Latvia.

And then a Latvian military airfield disappeared somewhere. He had plans, but in reality he was not.

“Recently, Estonia declared that it would like to see NATO planes in the future at our air base in Ämari - they could be deployed in turn in Lithuania and Estonia. For some reason, this plan was opposed by the Minister of Defense of Latvia Artis Pabriks - in his opinion, NATO aircraft could continue to remain only in Lithuania.

Perhaps this is just a rumor, but at least two sources claim that the reason for the opposition from the Latvians is the fear that Latvian voters will be interested in: why NATO planes do not appear in our area, what we did wrong.

“In fact, NATO has allocated funds for Latvia so that they can also equip their own airfield,” said one Estonian official. “Why they did not do this is unknown.”


Then it's time to say your weighty word to the Minister of Defense of Latvia. He said.

Sleep well, Estonian brothers - roughly in these words Artis Pabriks expressed confidence that the southern border of the Estonian state is safe. As for the different articles in Postimees there, it is tendentious and heats up the atmosphere. And there is no analysis. And in general, if necessary, the Latvian Ministry of Defense will offer Postimees several articles about its army.

Following the Minister of Defense to the Estonian brothers requested Latvian President Andris Berzins and Prime Minister Valdis Dombrovskis. The President stressed that Latvia had proved its defense capability by participating in the NATO mission in Afghanistan, and said that "in this industry, we are fine."

And Dombrovskis criticized the ability of Estonians to write analytical articles:

“If a specific newspaper found one expert with such an opinion, this is the choice of a specific newspaper. I am sure that you can find other experts with a more informed opinion. ”


In Latvia, you can just find them.

November 23 appeared in "Postimees" long article Raimonds Rublovskis, Researcher at the Latvian Institute of International Relations. He believes that Estonia has no reason to regard Latvia as a threat to its security, because both republics are members of NATO. Latvia only needs to increase its defense spending.

And since Latvia has planned to increase them - gradually, slowly, by the year 2020, we add from ourselves, there seems to be no problem.

Approximately thinks so Latvian expert. Why do some Estonian politicians, experts and state security officials consider Latvia to be the weak link of the Baltic security and defense region of NATO? - he asks a question.

It turns out that his native country lacks not only money, but also political will.

"It can be said that the lack of political will to achieve the goal - two percent of GDP for defense spending - is the most serious problem that affects both the internal situation of Latvia, and especially the further development of the Latvian armed forces, as well as external relations with the US , our neighbors and the entire North Atlantic alliance. "


That is the big question whether the plan will be fulfilled: there is a crisis in the country. Even one percent of GDP Latvia pulls out with difficulty.

And then there's the personnel question. Where to find good warriors, if they don’t have enough money? All true professionals resigned back in 2008 year.

In addition, judging by Rublovskis’s article, living in Latvia is not easy:

"And if we take into account the current problems of Latvia with the population, including emigration, which is still at a high level, it is difficult to believe that the armed forces are able to keep in the service a sufficient number of educated and motivated people."


International military operations are also a problem for Latvia. Since there is no money, there are not enough people - what kind of operations are there?

The expert offers the Latvian armed forces to find a suitable way to participate in international operations. For some reason, he points to the period after 2014 of the year when NATO completes its mission in Afghanistan. Probably because he cites this date, that after the 2014 blowjob a year, the Latvians could do, say, the heroic processing of information in the cabinets.

As for the small number of Latvian troops, it does not matter, the analyst believes. Now, after all, they are fighting not with numbers, but with skill.

"In the 21st century, there is no need for a large number of military personnel, since in ensuring security, technical equipment is becoming increasingly important, which requires well-educated and motivated people, which the draft system simply cannot offer."


That's right. But only these most motivated people are not in the Latvian army, as Rublovskis himself said earlier. There were, yes gone to 2008. Only the demotivated remained - in small numbers and without skill.

Here, it seems, the expert himself has driven himself into a dead end.

He had to continue to talk about what kind of army in Finland and how it influenced the army of Estonia, and that Estonia itself, by the way, no matter how it boasted by its army, still needs “collective security and defense offered by NATO and strategic partnership with the United States. "

After talking about the concept of "smart defense" and hinting at "strength historical and geographical reasons ”, Rublovskis called on Estonia to pursue“ close cooperation ”, and therefore“ to stop the ongoing debates in the country ”.

Well, let's cooperate, or else Comrade Lukashenko won himself the other day as a dictator recognized...

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    1. +58
      November 29, 2012
      A bunch of goblins, clowns, and imperfections. Only the territory is occupied.
      1. +49
        November 29, 2012
        As in one of his speeches in Comedy, Klab said the Belarusian gopher Galygin:
        - Kada eztoniya apyavit Vain practiced Ruthenian, and the skull of the brave eztonian army for years will cross the Rutsk border. All of the Rutsky will wait for the deathly and painful death. laughing

        And after all, it’s really funny to watch how the Baltic Limitrophs jump laughing depicting the rapid construction of armies .... I wonder how many minutes the current Ezton army will be able to hold essentially consisting of two platoons of terrible Ezton horse-divers on armored personnel carriers, having extended the troops of the northeastern military district .... these brave Ezton men are right for me after all, they have to fight back for 40 days and only after that arrive Negroids on abrams under the NAT flags unless of course we hold out for 40 days)))))
        1. +19
          November 29, 2012
          In Russia there is no north-eastern district. Sprinkle them with dust, like stinky bugs.
          1. kostello2004
            -1
            December 3 2012
            wretched answer. where is the understanding of the question where is the analysis?
        2. +26
          November 29, 2012
          Forty days ... The right time, may they rest in peace!
          1. not good
            +1
            November 29, 2012
            Better 9 days laughing
          2. nutmeg
            0
            December 2 2012
            Russia will never attack the Baltic states, because we are members of NATO. They lured us into the EU and let them defend them ...
        3. mda
          mda
          +7
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          I wonder how many minutes the current Ezton army will be able to hold, in fact consisting of two platoons of terrible Ezton horse-divers on armored personnel carriers, having extended the troops of the northeastern military district .... these brave Ezton men, as far as I can remember, must fight back for 40 days and only aposlya to come negroids on abramsy under the flags of NATa unless of course 40 days hold out)))))

          in my opinion they stretched out for a second, as soon as they found out that our troops were going to die at once.
          1. rolik
            +3
            November 30, 2012
            Die .... from diarrhea. lol
            1. nutmeg
              0
              December 1 2012
              Recently, a couple of Swedish retired generals in the Baltic countries were moving away, everyone was campaigning for the creation of a military bloc of the Baltic countries and Scandinavia to oppose the Russian military intervention, they said that the urine military force would have turned out ......
            2. 0
              January 20 2014
              The Baltic states have only one chance - to sell themselves to Russians with giblets
        4. Felix200970
          +1
          November 30, 2012
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          These brave Özton guys, as far as I remember, should after 40 days fight back

          You think that in 40 days not all of them will be found by the police soldier
        5. 0
          November 30, 2012
          so they won’t fight back, they’ll leave for the woods and do dirty work from there, that’s all
          1. rolik
            0
            November 30, 2012
            We have very good felling equipment. Bought in Finland. fellow
            1. kostello2004
              0
              December 3 2012
              Ponce? Lyme?
        6. rolik
          +1
          November 30, 2012
          Their army hold out for that period of time that corresponds to a pause between the team
          - The gun is tov ........
          And the team
          - Fire!!!!
          soldier
      2. +29
        November 29, 2012
        Estonians even have an air force. A pair of An-2, 3 Albatrosses and 3 sport helicopters. They are commanded by a brigadier general. There is also the Navy - 3 used British minesweepers and 2 boats. So you shouldn't take it off like that ...
        But seriously, I did not understand what and why Mr. Sallu and Co. were comparing. Who should the Balts fight with? With us, Belarus (again with us) or with Finland? In any crazy scenario, even the semblance of war will not work. They are valuable (and that is very limited) for NATO as a springboard (for the USSR - once they were also needed precisely for this, and for everyone who ever ruled there, including knightly orders). That, in fact, is all. Walk-through courtyard. The guys can't even choose their own owners - how the situation will turn out. Well, one's own "greatness" can be calmed down by the oppression of "non-citizens", by the prohibition of Russian culture in principle, by war criminals and gay parades. The parades could be held together. What, I wonder, will come of it ...
        1. +20
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Bronis
          Estonians even have an air force. A pair of An-2, 3 Albatrosses and 3 sport helicopters. They are commanded by a brigadier general. There is also the Navy - 3 used British minesweepers and 2 boats. So you shouldn't take it off like that ...


          And this already resembles an old Soviet joke from the time of the collision on Damansky .....
          Tanks will go avalanche at once both ...
          Aviation ... and aviation will not be a pilot ill.
        2. +32
          November 29, 2012
          The NATO general after the war "888" in his report said that the Baltic countries in the event of a conflict with Russia will be able to hold out no more than 15 minutes.
          1. +13
            November 29, 2012
            Quote: urzul
            then the Baltic countries in the event of a conflict with Russia will be able to hold out no more than 15 minutes.

            This is apparently the time of the telephone conversation of our president with them.
          2. Denzel13
            +7
            November 29, 2012
            15 minutes is the time to sign "complete and unconditional" laughing .
            1. +3
              November 29, 2012
              Quote: Denzel13
              15 minutes is the time to sign "complete and unconditional"

              No, this is the time of writing, the time of signing is 0,1ms as a ping to Yandex.
            2. rolik
              0
              November 30, 2012
              15 minutes, this is to wipe for ... tsu, and put on clean pants to go give up.
          3. kostello2004
            -1
            December 3 2012
            Finu can hold out longer, even Vyborg can return Karelia
        3. +15
          November 29, 2012
          They are valuable even not as a bridgehead, but as one of the most odious and ferocious punishers in all of Europe. You can take an interest in this topic, there is a bloody trace of the Baltic states almost everywhere where the German soldier stepped.
          1. +9
            November 29, 2012
            Quote: Klibanophoros
            the bloody trace of the Baltic states is almost everywhere where the German soldier stepped.

            -100% true! I watched a program where the only grandfather who survived in Khatyn (at that time a boy of 5-7 years old) told in his last interview: the Germans noticed him hiding in a ditch ... they said he was quiet and left !!! At this very time, his fellow villagers burned the Estonian SS in the barn. In Soviet times, this fact was hidden for idiological reasons ...
            1. kostello2004
              -2
              December 3 2012
              and now he miraculously surfaced with his grandfather, who was silent all the time. Everyone has long known whose business it is in Katyn. And the famine and 37 and so on
          2. rolik
            0
            November 30, 2012
            Klibanophoros 100% hit to the point. good
        4. Dimon simfer
          +2
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Bronis
          There is also a Navy - 3 used English minesweepers and 2 boats.

          The flagship of the Navy is the Admiral Pitka headquarters and supply ship, which was transferred to Denmark in 2000. The ship is armed with a 76 mm gun.
          1. not good
            +2
            November 29, 2012
            It’s impossible that the Navy’s ship would be without guns, but what about the salute?
          2. 0
            November 30, 2012
            well yes. This changes a lot. "Pitka", sort of worked as a guard in Denmark. I chased Finnish fishermen. After developing the resource, they gave it to Estonia. Just why don't I understand what to do as a command ship in the absence of the Navy and Air Force? And he has not been on the move since 2005
          3. 0
            January 20 2014
            Caliber like a thirty-four!
        5. Dikremnij
          +2
          November 30, 2012
          I wish I could look at their Strategic Rocket Forces, there are probably such terrible Chinese firecrackers laughing
          In general, Estonians are great, even if they try to keep the army at the proper level, unlike us: the disbandment of military schools, combat-ready units and the sale of modern weapons ... So rzhach-rzhach, but you should not forget about your jambs ...
          1. 0
            January 20 2014
            But was it that the Baltic states were the first echelon of defense in the Soviet years? Then there were so many troops and equipment that today are not even dreamed of. Only after the Baltic states all this legacy was ineptly squandered
        6. Marek Rozny
          +1
          January 15 2013
          somehow I collected info on the navy of kazakhstan and was surprised when I realized that naval forces there are more and stronger steppes than the three fleets of the Baltic republics combined. )))))
      3. +1
        November 29, 2012
        They are hoping for NATO, which will use them as it suits them and throw them away!
      4. +1
        November 30, 2012
        Armed conflict between Latvia and Lithuania.
        The Commander-in-Chief of Latvia calls Estonian:
        “I know you have two tanks!” Could you lend them to us for a war with Lithuania?
        - We can only give one!
        - And thanks for that! By the way, but why only one?
        “We just lent the second to the Lithuanians!”
      5. rolik
        0
        November 30, 2012
        In fact, Latvians are much more cunning than Estonians. If strong opponents go to conquer them, they will not be able to resist strongly. Therefore, their houses will turn out to be much more intact than the Estonian ones, which will start firing mortar cannons, ride on armored personnel carriers, and portray the presence of air defense. Estonians urgently need to reconsider their attitude towards Latvians and take an example from them. And you don’t defend the country normally, and the loot spent by the FIG knows where, and the bombed cities will have to be restored longer hi
      6. kostello2004
        -1
        December 3 2012
        you also take a place on this forum, and Latvians are just a peace-loving nation
      7. 0
        January 20 2014
        Yes, the Baltics have become a lesson for us all - how to build armies
    2. +25
      November 29, 2012
      ..who saw the invincible armies of the Baltic states-he will not laugh in the circus ....
      1. Sergh
        +31
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: Krilion
        he will not laugh in the circus ....

        Hot Estonian "SOLDIERS" !!!





        1. Glory
          +5
          November 29, 2012
          The World's Best Brakes Gathering ...
          1. kostello2004
            -1
            December 3 2012
            these brakes do not mow down from the army and are not afraid of the Dagestanis to wet pants, they will die for their country, but they will die with a smile and a gun
        2. Vanek
          +3
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Sergh
          Hot Estonian "SOLDIERS" !!!


          The mere sight of these "warriors" is already scary laughing
          1. +5
            November 29, 2012
            This is if they will fight with men. And they like to fight mainly against women, children and the elderly.
            1. mda
              mda
              +1
              November 29, 2012
              Quote: Klibanophoros

              This is if they will fight with men. And they like to fight mainly against women, children and the elderly.

              yes, their children will easily win. Losses of Estonians 200 bonfire, loss of children 0 ...
              1. +3
                November 29, 2012
                Strange position. Still, the "Forest Brothers" remained a problem in the Baltics up to the 50s.
                1. 0
                  November 29, 2012
                  As Rosenbaum sings - The wrong things now and the wrong times .......
          2. xan
            +1
            November 29, 2012
            there is one plus
            these photos will not be popular with Dutch fagots, like photos from our parades in Red Square
          3. kostello2004
            -1
            December 3 2012
            from Dagestan boys you are afraid that your knees are shaking
        3. +5
          November 29, 2012
          Ahahaha they have a call up to 65 years old along the way judging by the last photo laughing The hellish army! Army of darkness right
          1. +8
            November 29, 2012
            Quote: kostyan77708
            Ahahaha they have a call up to 65 years old along the way judging by the last photo of the hellish army! Army of darkness right


            Here it is the army of Mordor laughing solid orcs, goblins ... and maybe a couple of mountain trolls wassat
          2. -1
            November 30, 2012
            reservists ... by the way, they keep weapons at home. They will not fight "for real", they will go into the woods
            1. Denzel13
              0
              December 2 2012
              What, not all forest rats were shot before 1956? Although yes, not all - even processions carry out the parasites.
          3. kostello2004
            -1
            December 3 2012
            serve yourself first
        4. yurasumy
          +3
          November 29, 2012
          In short, two gnomes met and began to be measured by someone thicker and longer.
        5. +2
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Sergh
          Hot Estonian "SOLDIERS" !!!

          NATURAL GOBLINS !!!! laughing
        6. +4
          November 29, 2012
          -What do these clowns have "Falklene" pukals or what?
          -Not otherwise, NATO members have rubbed them in to replace the "undemocratic" Kalash!
          1. georg737577
            0
            November 30, 2012
            This is FN FAL. They gave out - they gave out, maybe a handful of cartridges were dumped, but they forgot to fly the flies - they forgot ... But in vain ...
            1. +1
              November 30, 2012
              Quote: georg737577
              This is FN FAL.

              “So I said that ... (Falkland warrior) Belgian propeller for England.”
        7. +2
          November 29, 2012
          Sergh,
          Great Estonian Army!
          It reads very cool, almost invincible dwarfs!
        8. 0
          November 29, 2012
          It remains only to recruit disabled people into the Baltic army, pensioners are already pulling the strap. wassat
        9. Denzel13
          +1
          November 29, 2012
          In the bottom photo on the left, apparently a native of the "forest brothers". Press down with tanks, sorry for the cartridges. Although the tanks will have to be washed later.
        10. GG2012
          0
          November 30, 2012
          Quote: Sergh
          Hot Estonian "SOLDIERS" !!!

          I will supplement you:
        11. GG2012
          +16
          November 30, 2012
          Quote: Sergh
          Hot Estonian "SOLDIERS" !!!

          I will supplement you:

          Estonian special forces at work !!!
          1. +5
            November 30, 2012
            Alpha still train and train!
          2. +1
            November 30, 2012
            GG2012,
            Why is he knocking on the door? Can’t he leave the maze?
          3. +1
            December 3 2012
            Thanks for the video ........ neighing from the heart ...... positive for the whole Monday))
        12. Charon
          +1
          November 30, 2012
          Mom, dear! Yes, I will surrender without resistance. If only they would not touch.
        13. 0
          December 6 2012
          And rifles to-Heckler and Koch G-3, West German production, adopted by the Bundeswehr back in 1959 and long withdrawn from service in NATO. In short, "on you God, what is not suitable for me"! And yet what kind of warriors, and such rifles! I especially "liked" the soldier standing in the first row, in the first row, following the bearded man. Did he by any chance serve in the SS national battalions during the Second World War? Thanks "Sergh".
      2. mda
        mda
        +4
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: Krilion
        ..who saw the invincible armies of the Baltic states-he will not laugh in the circus ....

        army in the Baltic? this joke is even funnier than the Moldavian army
    3. I-16M
      +9
      November 29, 2012
      Ward number 6. Or the minutes of the meeting in the madhouse. smile
      1. +17
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: I-16M
        Chamber No. 6. Or the minutes of the meeting in the madhouse

        Why, you ran into them, let them praise themselves. Three rickets in front of each other muscle mass play laughing It is not forbidden to engage in self-suggestion, so let them engage in and do not interfere with serious countries to solve world problems.
        1. Beck
          +6
          November 29, 2012
          That's what the blizzard drive. Baltic Army is a self-defense force. And the Balts themselves do not consider their units as military forces that can resist a massive invasion of the modern army for a long time.

          And these armies exist simply as an attribute of statehood. We found someone to brag about.
          1. +8
            November 29, 2012
            but they shoot forever in the back
            1. Sergh
              +13
              November 29, 2012
              Quote: Beck
              And these armies exist simply as an attribute of statehood. Found someone to brag about

              That-o-ochno! And I think, why the hell is the army? And it is needed for the attribute, after all!

              1. not good
                +1
                November 29, 2012
                A strange modification of the cart, there seemed to be four horses. lol
                1. EW
                  EW
                  0
                  November 30, 2012
                  A modernization is being prepared, code-named "Tandem". 2 driver-mechanics will pedal laughing
                2. 0
                  December 23 2012
                  It is sinful to laugh at sick people, and life punished them anyway ...
              2. +2
                November 30, 2012
                This is the new BMPP-2EP laughing and if the crew pre-feed beans for a week at all, the fire will be
              3. Beck
                +1
                November 30, 2012
                Quote: Sergh
                That-o-ochno! And I think, why the hell is the army? And it is needed for the attribute, after all!


                Do you think that these armies were created for a throw to the Lamansh or for a blitzkrieg to the Urals? They do not have such tasks. Their main purpose is to restrain for a day, two the threat of attack, so that the government has time to file a complaint with the UN.
                1. +3
                  November 30, 2012
                  belay hold back for a day or two? Who ??? !!! Meerkat Invasion ??? laughing
                  And they all perfectly understand this, including and all sorts. Pontos would be smaller and show off ...
                  1. 0
                    December 1 2012
                    Yes, hold us back for at least half a day. Ponte there at the expense of his army is not all realists and perfectly understand everything.
                    These are small states with a small population and without any natural resources. They keep the army in their means.
                    By the way, people live there not badly. Who was he knows.
                2. 0
                  November 30, 2012
                  Yes, they’ll hike and can’t stand it for half an hour ... they will run away ..)))

                  Yes, they’ll hike and can’t stand it for half an hour ... they will run away ..)))
              4. Charon
                0
                November 30, 2012
                If Daddy Makhno had seen this, he would have been strangled by envy.
              5. terp 50
                +1
                November 30, 2012
                ... is that er er er what? tank or armored personnel carrier?
          2. 11Goor11
            +1
            November 30, 2012
            Beck
            Baltic Army is a self-defense force. And the Balts themselves do not consider their units as military forces that can resist a massive invasion of the modern army for a long time.

            + + + + +
            In this sense, of all the Baltic states, Latvians, surprisingly, are the most reasonable: there are warriors with small arms and quite enough. The rest of the money is better spent on sports grounds than buying almost useless (in their case) equipment.
          3. +1
            December 1 2012
            One sensible comment. Who to laugh at? Over the country in a couple of million people a big mind is not needed.
            1. 0
              December 3 2012
              captain dvv,

              Come on, you all laugh at the pugs who are discussing which of them can, in which case, not only bark in time but also put a bunch more in front of the bear. Just because you pug why puff up live yourself calmly.
        2. kostello2004
          0
          December 3 2012
          you yourself are probably an international class master of sports?
    4. +13
      November 29, 2012
      Have fun early in the morning fellow
    5. +8
      November 29, 2012
      I had fun from the heart !!! Many thanks to the author for the article!
    6. Fox
      +9
      November 29, 2012
      our airsoft players are better equipped and armed than herds of labuses ... cool when they borrowed a tank for training ...
    7. Edya
      +20
      November 29, 2012
      In Europe, there is a degradation of military personnel ... 50% of Afghans drink themselves directly in units ....... So here the problem is not only in Latvia and Estonia, this is Europe’s big problems .... And the USA is a separate issue there maybe they’re training great fighters, but suppose the geopolitical enemy of the United States is Russia. Amerikans are completely unprepared for the cold ... -1 degrees in the down jackets go and if -25 will be ........ Especially Russia by 2020 ... will become a very strong country on the technical side of armaments from this NATO and leans against the Europeans and pulls the European economy into more They need a bigger hole in the crisis, they need to fight it, and not pursue an arms race with Russia, although it’s beneficial for us to let ourselves be driven into a dead end
      1. +8
        November 29, 2012
        Eddy:
        By the 20th year, we will certainly become stronger, but even now the Russian army is not weak! In the west, they boast of all sorts of miracles of technology, such as drones, spy satellites and raptors (which, by the way, cannot work on the ground without target designation ...) and other trinkets. What will they all do when they are given a continuous screen with jammers? They do not know how to fight in the old way, then the Russian troops will show all the "charm" of war, which the Germans and French and other wickedness have already felt!
        1. +12
          November 29, 2012
          Honor you, it’s directly the embodiment of Perun in earthly life, but how old is it? A phalanx to the system, as under Alexander. Breathe more evenly and with what jammers you are going to score frequencies, I did not hear something about ours in 2008, but them on our machines by the way: both friend or foe and telemetry in real time. I’m not writing for the sake of it, just try to be objective. * War is not poker *
          1. +7
            November 29, 2012
            Myth:
            Dear, you are exaggerating too much ... The Macedonian phalanx is inconvenient to fight against machine guns, but the front to the front, as in the Second World War, is quite real. You didn’t listen to anything that a small nuclear explosion in the upper atmosphere for a long time disables all navigation and reconnaissance equipment ... And without them, high-precision ammunition will differ from the usual one only by a multiple of a greater cost! Therefore, do not ironic my words, I know what I'm saying!
            1. bart74
              +5
              November 29, 2012
              I agree with you. This possibility cannot be ruled out. In any war, it always comes to hand-to-hand combat.
              1. 0
                November 29, 2012
                And you apparently have been in more than one war and have been slaughtered in more than one hand-to-hand combat, which follows from real combat experience, since (EVERYTHING EQUALS ALWAYS COMES), at least twice, experience and confirmation, there are no coincidences in the war.
            2. +1
              November 29, 2012
              Quote: baron.nn
              baron.nn


              I fully support. The Germans were also better equipped. And they thought that they were invincible. Yes, time passed, but the machines remained the same. Only faster and more accurate.
              Regarding a small vigorous explosion ..... Not sure. I saw this only in the Call of Dutty MW 2 game. That's why it's funny. Although it may really work.
            3. 0
              November 29, 2012
              I understand you correctly, in order for the electromagnetic pulse to clog the communication channels of high-precision weapons, it is necessary to start a nuclear conflict? Is this the same way that will allow (in your words to show what Russian Vanya is capable of all evil spirits) are you SERIOUS? Even so, although in this case, all the tweezers, maybe you should first calculate the BSE, just like that, for statistics and planning, this combat operation?
      2. Marine One
        -9
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: Eddy
        Amerikans completely unprepared for the cold

        Tell this to the first division of the Marine Corps, which survived the battle at Chosin and won at -40.
        1. +6
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Marine One
          Tell This First Division Marine Corps


          Oh, these fairy tales to me ... Oh, these fairy tales.

          The battle of the Chosin Reservoir occurred in 1950 during the Korean War between the forces of the United Nations (units of the United States and Great Britain) and Chinese people's volunteers.
          At the end of November 1950, the Chinese army, which entered Korean territory, launched a successful offensive against the UN forces on the entire front. On the east coast of Korea, in the area of ​​the Chosin Reservoir, the X UN Corps (consisting of the 1st US Marine Division, the regiment of the 7th US Infantry Division and the British commandos battalion) was surrounded and cut off from supplying superior enemy forces, numbering 8 divisions. In the most difficult winter conditions (deep snowdrifts, temperatures up to -40 degrees Celsius), American units managed to break through the encirclement ring in early December and break through to Hynnam, from where they were subsequently evacuated by sea.

          The battle of the Chosin Reservoir is considered one of the most glorious pages in the history of the US Marine Corps. The commander of the 1st Marine Division, General Oliver Smith, is mistakenly credited with the famous phrase, as if said during the battle: “Retreat? Damn, we're just advancing in a different direction! ” In fact, this fictitious phrase contains the general meaning of the explanation given by Smith to reporters. Losses on both sides during the battle were great. Only the dead forces of the United States lost about 2500 people, and the similar losses of the Chinese are estimated at 25 thousand (probably an overestimated figure). In the troops of both sides, the number of non-combat losses from frostbite was significant.



          Bottom line: It is not indicated how many people died from frostbite.
          1. Marine One
            -11
            November 29, 2012
            Quote: Manager
            Oh, these fairy tales to me ... Oh, these fairy tales.

            But essentially something to say? Besides quoting a wiki? It is logical that a lot of people froze at -40. This number, by the way, is known - just over 7300 people. Nevertheless, the corps survived and solved the combat mission.
            1. +6
              November 29, 2012
              In the combat mission did he have a drape back? Well, yes, I decided, even heroically ....
              1. Marine One
                -3
                November 29, 2012
                Yeah, retreat can also be a combat mission. Do you know this art in academies?
            2. +2
              November 29, 2012
              In support of Marine One - in which army of the world, from September to December, people in whole companies end up in a hospital with sore throat and pneumonia? Who was forbidden to sing in the cold?
              1. Marine One
                +3
                November 30, 2012
                Quote: lelikas
                which army of the world from September to December, the whole company gets the whole company in a hospital with tonsillitis

                Here the question is specifically to the command of a specific unit, why the hell do they have massive tonsillitis and pneumonia in peacetime in the barracks? For five years I personally (and even having captured the so-called dashing 90s) unwound in the Russian Arctic and I do not remember the cases when one of the boys complained about his health. Runny nose, colds, flu were, but not whole mouths and not lying.
        2. 0
          November 29, 2012
          In fact, not a single human being is adapted to extreme low temperatures, it's all a matter of material base and provision, but this is purely my subjective opinion!
          1. not good
            +1
            November 29, 2012
            Just do not talk about this separately in Kirkino, it’s sooooo long summer laughing
            1. Marine One
              +1
              November 30, 2012
              Kirkines, Kirkines -
              Marvelous planet
              12 months winter
              The rest of the summer. smile
    8. Prospero
      +43
      November 29, 2012
      The Estonian armed forces have adopted a naval raft and a kite. smile
      1. mda
        mda
        +6
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: Prospero
        air kite.

        Well, offend the Baltic states ... They will soon make a kite an invisible lol lol
    9. +6
      November 29, 2012
      The weaker the neighbors, the easier it is for us. And the equipment they really have is seams, there is neither camouflage, nor the rest of the small things. Soon they themselves will begin to make ammunition from improvised means, who is much worth it.
      1. +4
        November 29, 2012
        "And the equipment they really have seams, there is no camouflage, no other small things. Soon they will begin to tinker ammunition for themselves from improvised means, who in what is much."- they will get themselves in battle. laughing
        1. Dimon simfer
          +2
          November 29, 2012
          Form number 8 - that stole. we wear laughing
        2. georg737577
          0
          November 30, 2012
          In battle, they will not get themselves and coffins - the maximum place in the common ditch, there they will rot ...
      2. 0
        November 29, 2012
        They need to fit the drawing of the gunshot and slingshot laughing Rzhunimagu article + huge
    10. +25
      November 29, 2012
      Soully neighing!
      moreover, neighing over warlike Estonians. Lord, what are you going to defend yourself there ??? And from whom ??

      Not like a good hint, "Fear Russia, we are Gotta!" Well, this is all in the form of an anecdote about the elusive Joe. 30-40 thousand ... Well, yes, kind of force. I will allow myself to fantasize a bit. If something happens: they will fight in time for about the same as the criticized Latvians, only it will hurt more. In general, if we talk about aggression. Two candidates are drawn: Russia (well, this is a classic) and Belarus (you can expect everything from dad).

      In general, you need to have a purely Estonian percent in the head in order to figure it out. Well, where did they get the idea that their army was combat-ready? And that the Ogressor’s army will climb to them in the same qualitative and quantitative composition? Guys, is it okay that the 21 century in the yard and jousting tournaments have been canceled?

      Your 4 Air Force super helicopter will not even have time to get up ...

      There is no doubt how the partisans of the Balts are historically ogogo, what's the point? In general, I hypothetically consider such a conflict as a funny doctrine for the calculations of "Grad" and "Buratino". In theory. Because no one has canceled the presence of Russian people there. Therefore, it turns out elusive Joe, who the fuck nobody needs.

      So all that remains is to clap your hands at the pragmatic Latvians who brazenly saw the NATO bablos on what they really need. GOOD FELLOWS !!! Some (I will not point a finger at the Estonian Ministry of Defense) could buy additional operatives in China, implant themselves in their heads and begin to think. What they sincerely and wish.
      1. not good
        0
        November 30, 2012
        But if you need a throw to Kaliningrad, they can be asked to stand at the intersections as traffic controllers.
    11. Vanek
      +5
      November 29, 2012
      This is an IDB.

      Simulation of Stormy Activity.
    12. +7
      November 29, 2012
      Yes, for a long time I did not laugh so. laughing
      1. kostello2004
        -1
        December 3 2012
        [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAlxYd0P11aE4OpEx6sjjxN0CA-oHDyDoG
        zwEkQ9puhKRHKIkUaXSoPHwD [/ img]

        here you can still laugh
    13. +7
      November 29, 2012
      the balts do not cease to amaze ... especially - eSStons, as they say: - small bug, - yes smelly wassat
    14. +2
      November 29, 2012
      SQUOTOKOMIKI!
      Do not bother them, let them have fun and laugh.
      1. kostello2004
        0
        December 3 2012
        here, too, laugh rye under the table
    15. +38
      November 29, 2012
      Due to the lack of military aircraft in Estonia, after its entry into NATO, American F-16s were transferred. During a test flight over the country, the fighter, controlled by an experienced pilot, was never able to reach supersonic speed. (This is a real event.) It's just that when the supersonic barrier was broken, Estonia was already over. (Well, she is so little). But the fact remained a fact, and a record appeared in the documents of the military bloc: "... due to the specific features of the country, the F-16 fighter is not capable of developing maximum speed over Estonia"
      1. Vanek
        +7
        November 29, 2012
        Stanislav, you never cease to amaze us.

        Quote: Ascetic
        (This is a real event.)


        I hear this for the first time. Smiled.

        Good afternoon, Stanislav. hi
        1. +5
          November 29, 2012
          Quote: Vanek
          I hear this for the first time. Smiled


          Hello! We have another morning .. You can still read

          Stories from life
          here

          Interesting things about fighters on Kolipast.ru
          here

          I liked the video of the flight of two Mirages over the Supreme Court of Brazil. It is worth adopting the experience.
          1. +2
            November 29, 2012
            No, it’s worth adopting the experience of dropping bombs on the particularly dissatisfied ...
            1. +3
              November 29, 2012
              Quote: Banshee
              No, it’s worth adopting the experience of dropping bombs on the particularly dissatisfied ..


              I meant flying in supersonic over mansions burned out so that all the glass flew out. What type of aircraft is best suited for this, the pilots will tell you.
              1. Denzel13
                +3
                November 29, 2012
                Stanislav, with all due respect, if our pilots begin to solve the problem of corruption in the country in this way, the fuel crisis will break out. laughing Although the thought is not bad.
    16. +2
      November 29, 2012
      In 1920, after the occupation of Russian territory, part of the occupied territory of Estonia was transferred to Latvia, but for this it demanded Latvian territory in the area of ​​the city of Valka. As a result, the city was divided by the border along the river and the Estonian part of the city became known as Valga. So there are territorial claims between Estonia and Latvia.
    17. +23
      November 29, 2012
      As far as I know from the words of relatives in Tallinn, the training of the Estonian army has a stable partisan direction. The emphasis is on disguise, covert movement, and without military equipment.
      And the picture is so, for courage fellow
      1. kostello2004
        0
        December 3 2012
        at the time to start watching the addict Pavlik there is as much intellectually as in your comments and demos
    18. +4
      November 29, 2012
      Thanks to Oleg! You know how to cheer up! Both sarcasm and humor are in abundance!
    19. Dimon Lviv
      +17
      November 29, 2012
      "Estonian parachutists have been hanging in the sky over the city for the third day ..."

      Thanks for the positive in the morning)
      1. +1
        November 29, 2012
        laughing laughing - thanks, I didn’t hear ...
      2. Denzel13
        +4
        November 29, 2012
        Dimon-Lvov, by definition, they cannot have an airborne force, since the plane must be left quickly while it is above the landing area. The key word "fast" in this case sounds like "unrealistic".
      3. georg737577
        0
        November 30, 2012
        Thank you 5 points!
    20. 0
      November 29, 2012
      Oh balts ...... have fun.
    21. 0
      November 29, 2012
      Why do they need an army, I won’t know. As long as they are sitting under the roof of NATO, you can save on the army, and send money to more tangible things. On the other hand, losing NATO defense money, but here is a dead end. They should receive money, and a comic army, rub points to officials for the existence of three powerful armies that keep the whole north-west of Russia at bay.
      1. not good
        +1
        November 30, 2012
        It is really not clear why they need an army, on the other side they have a sea, and on our side our border guards guard them.
    22. columbus2
      -9
      November 29, 2012
      Dogs bark, the caravan goes ...
      1. +5
        November 29, 2012
        Does anyone know in what terms our General Staff assesses the military threat from Estonia? laughing
        1. +6
          November 29, 2012
          Such expressions are prohibited here!
      2. Denzel13
        0
        November 29, 2012
        columbus2, the question arises - who do you think are dogs? Make it clear
    23. DYMITRY
      +3
      November 29, 2012
      It is a sin to laugh at the wretched! But still, I am laughing with patstalom !!!
    24. dusha233
      +1
      November 29, 2012
      No words, laughter colic ......
    25. Skavron
      +1
      November 29, 2012
      Incidentally, about the supply ...
      http://hardingush.livejournal.com/13212.html
      Here is one blogger from the Russian special forces that tells them that they also have to buy a lot.
      Can someone explain from the Russian military?
      1. +2
        November 29, 2012
        here is how it goes. If the management is adequate then it allocates a certain amount for the purchase, then you bring checks to the banks.
      2. Marine One
        +3
        November 29, 2012
        For special forces - this is normal practice in almost the whole world. They supply you with a certain standard set, but everyone selects all sorts of whistles for himself, depending on preferences. In general, leon-iv correctly noticed that a certain budget is being laid down from the command for such independent purchases. Is there such a thing in Russia, I don’t know. A foreign friend who served in RM special forces said that they had official compensation for such expenses. It was only necessary to more or less clearly substantiate that you need this thing to perform combat missions. An iPhone at the expense of Her Majesty would not be allowed to buy, and a personal tank too)))
        1. Skavron
          0
          November 29, 2012
          ATP colleagues.
    26. +4
      November 29, 2012
      They will also fight, hot Baltic guys! About ten years later, when the meaning of what the Estonians said comes to the Latvians ...
    27. itr
      -5
      November 29, 2012
      Latvian soldiers who took part in the Spring Storm exercises in Estonia do not have uniforms suitable for field conditions, and it’s very easy for the enemy to take them on the fly Well, the author probably doesn’t know that in the Russian army few people wear a white robe in winter
      1. +2
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: itr
        Well, the author probably doesn’t know that in the Russian army few people wear a white robe in winter

        I agree, it’s not enough in winter, but NOBODY GOES IN SUMMER!
        1. itr
          -1
          November 30, 2012
          Captain Do you really think that in the photograph he is in winter uniform ????
      2. georg737577
        0
        November 30, 2012
        To take them to the front sight, and especially to hold it for a long time, is easy not only because of the inappropriate color of the equipment ...
    28. ATY
      ATY
      +4
      November 29, 2012
      Looking at the Baltic states one should only be surprised. Who do they want to fight with and why, if the real war then they correctly said to NATO 15 minutes, when everything will be over, NATO will only find out that they were attacked, a joke. If you are already under NATO, then lick and have fun in this role, but don’t get angry .
    29. Cat
      +17
      November 29, 2012
      Latvians are not such fools as the article writes about them. But quite the contrary.
      Thoughtfully studying the packing and figuring out how much, they drew the right conclusions:
      if Russia moves west, the Latvian army will hold out for a maximum of half an hour, and even then if the Russians deign to warn ahead of time about the impending offensive.
      if NATA moves east, Latvians will be at the forefront of attack and will be used as cannon fodder.
      In general, wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge. Therefore, well, nafig, this army. They hired a couple of thousand double basses to march in parades, and that's enough. And with the remaining money - really, why not buy a new bibika for the president? Let the person rejoice =)
    30. Mr. Truth
      +4
      November 29, 2012
      "running on foot" In NATO, in general, many in the attack on trucks go, except for the French and the Germans. In the United States in general, the marines are at war like this and the entire National Guard and half of the army. It's not the army that's a laughing stock. The US military police are more motorized than their military.
    31. efefefd
      -11
      November 29, 2012
      Yes, it’s unlikely that the Chechens will be able to slaughter so many pigs, but if every Baltic states kills at least one Untermensch the world wakes up cleaner and brighter))) good
      1. +2
        November 29, 2012
        Are you talking about the Finns or the Poles?
    32. +8
      November 29, 2012
      The other day, Yuri Loza’s song “On a Small Raft” was translated into Estonian.
      - So, finally, the anthem appeared among the Estonian naval forces.

      3 Estonians are sitting on the lake. Early morning.
      “That — oh — that doesn't bite.”
      6 hours pass:
      “Yes — ah — no!”
      Another 6 hours pass. Already evening:
      - Many - wow those - that's not pecking!

      Estonian-Russian border. A Russian customs officer takes and looks at the Estonian’s passport and tells him.
      - You have a passport without a date !!! Estonian answers.
      - That, that I have pi ....... passport !!!
    33. cool.ya-nikola
      +5
      November 29, 2012
      Grandfather Krylov once said about the attempts of the Balts to stand on a par with the "developed" European (yes, there are European, let's go, world at once!) Powers:
      And my venturer ended on
      That, not equal to the Ox,
      She burst from a strain and - scattered.

      Although, laughter, laughter, let's take into account the "mighty" potential of those unfinished gentlemen from the "Waffen SS", who settled in large numbers in the "open spaces" of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. After all, it will be enough to take them out of the mothballs, remove the cobwebs from the ears, put them in the front rows (at least with the help of at least two supporters for each combat unit), then, I'm afraid, any aggressor who dares to encroach on these small but very proud states , it will be very hard! wassat
      And Oleg, thank you very much for the humor! good
      And thank you very much for the great photos!
      Quote: Sergh
      Sergh
    34. Nu daaaa ...
      -4
      November 29, 2012
      In the pictures you are joking about, this is not the army, but the voluntary ones, Kaitseliit, whose composition is more than 13, of which many have weapons at home, have constant readiness, etc. And as Confucius said, a large army can be defeated. But a man with convictions is invincible. And defeating such ones is certainly possible, but it will be quite expensive. Recall the hot Afghan 000-1979.

      And about the army, for example- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6CFHev_RwY

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpt2uQ4k_oM

      Add information about the Estonian artillery and howitzers 86 pcs. Little of course, but ...
      1. +5
        November 29, 2012
        Quote: Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ...


        Of course I understand and respect your patriotism, but you do not make anyone laugh.
        Remember, for example, the situation 080808 in Georgia. How long did they last?
      2. 0
        November 29, 2012
        Do not confuse the participation of a regular army in a foreign civil war with military operations against an enemy state.
        1. 0
          November 29, 2012
          previous moment to Nudaa
      3. Dimon simfer
        +3
        November 29, 2012
        Estonian Volunteer Forces, or the Defense League (Keitseliit), a voluntary paramilitary force. This organization operates throughout the country. The total number of the Defense Union is about 10 thousand people.
        The Keitseliite is armed with anti-tank guns, small arms, mortars, various modifications of armored personnel carriers.
        Quote: Nu daaaa ...
        But a man with convictions is invincible.

        And not only man
        The defense alliance is subordinate to three support organizations. This is the “Women's Home Defense” (Naiskodukaitse), which only women are members of. The organization’s objectives are to support the Estonian Defense Union in the defense of the state, medical and rear services. The second organization reporting to the Estonian Defense Union is Noored kotkad. It is a voluntary organization made up of Boy Scouts. The objectives of the organization are the education and training of young people - Estonian citizens aged 8 to 18 years. The girls of the organization “Daughters of the Motherland” (Kodutütred), who subsequently become members of the Women's Defense at Home, are also involved in the defense of the country. The main goals pursued by these organizations are the patriotic education of the citizens of their country.

        http://vsr.mil.by/2011/08/26/vooruzhennye-sily-estonii/
      4. -1
        November 29, 2012
        And we are not joking, we are mocking. Well? Your Funboy shot, your death blow, just aim more accurately.

        And I don’t like the Zionics from Israel, but look at their reservists and at these, I don’t even know what to call it. So don’t excuse your excuses. Do you understand me?
    35. WW3
      WW3
      +1
      November 29, 2012
      In the photo in the topic, the Balts in 3 Christmas trees got lost winked and the cards didn’t help the hot Estonian guys ...
    36. Dimon simfer
      +8
      November 29, 2012
      Thanks to the author for the article
      Happy people these Estonians laughing
    37. +4
      November 29, 2012
      Latvians well done! what for to spend money on the defense industry when NATO defends? better fit into the military budget and education and medicine and in general everything will be GUT!
      It is a pity that in the case of Russia this will not work, as they say: Chicken protects the chicken, and the legs feed the wolf
    38. LAO
      LAO
      +7
      November 29, 2012
      Gentlemen! Well, be lenient in relation to micro-states with a micro-budget, micro-armies and a complete absence of an industrial base, but with a complete economic "ass"!
      The article is more fun and it is unclear why for some it caused an attack of anger?
      Smile gentlemen! Smile
      1. Denzel13
        +2
        November 29, 2012
        But is there really nothing to be mad at them (the Balts) for?
        To list the reasons for this, I think it will take more than one year.
        1. Beck
          -4
          November 30, 2012
          Quote: Denzel13
          To list the reasons for this, I think it will take more than one year.


          If you have such a long list, name at least three reasons in modern times for which you need to be angry with them?

          They that attacked Russia? They that lay claim to the land of Russia? They that closed their borders to the Russians?
          1. -1
            November 30, 2012
            One example is flying http://www.pravda.ru/world/formerussr/latvia/03-02-2011/1065630-estonia-0/

            and immediately more: "Of the Baltic states, Russia has territorial disputes with Latvia (Pytalovsky district of the Pskov region - Abrene district) and Estonia (Pechora district of the Pskov region and the right bank of the Narva river with Ivangorod)."
            http://aleksey-artur.livejournal.com/12696.html
            And I don’t even mention about the attitude towards the Russians ... And about the movement with the SS with disadvantages too ...
            1. Beck
              -2
              November 30, 2012
              Quote: Goodmen
              One example in flight is http://www.pravda.ru/world/formerussr/latvia/03-02-2011/1065630-estonia-0/ and immediately


              I agree this is a disputed land, but the Balts do not climb there by force. But Russian people living in the Baltic states have one requirement - they need to know the state language.
              In the country of visitors to America, after all, no one demands the same status of their languages ​​with the state. Communicate among themselves in whatever languages ​​they want, but in state. institutions all speak English. And I, too, will not recall the occupation of the Baltic states in 1940.
              1. 0
                December 3 2012
                "And I, too, will not recall the occupation of the Baltic States in 1940." belay
                But don’t ... It is necessary to remember the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty !!! angry
                After 22 years, they regained what was chopped off from the Russian Empire - and already occupation ?! belay
                And before Peter l proud but small Baltic peoples were under the Swedes. laughing
                And the fact that after the 40th there began repression, so they were all over the USSR ... sad
                1. Beck
                  0
                  December 3 2012
                  Quote: Goodmen
                  But don’t ... It is necessary to remember the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty !!!


                  And whoever initiated this world was not Russia, though Bolshevik, but Russia is a subject of international law.

                  Quote: Goodmen
                  After 22 years, they regained what was chopped off from the Russian Empire - and already occupation ?!


                  And before that, in the early 1700s, in the colonial struggle with Sweden, the Russian Empire conquered the Baltic states.

                  And in the end. Every nation has a craving for national identity. It was national identity that allowed Russia to get out of the Golden Horde yoke. Or now we will condemn the Great victory in the Kulikovo field. They say that the Russians spoke, would live under the rule of the Golden Horde. Would that be acceptable to you? Of course not. Likewise, it is unacceptable for the Balts to return again under someone else's power.
            2. 0
              December 1 2012
              Was in all three Baltic countries.
              He worked with both the Russian and the local population.
              I did not notice the tension between them.
              By the way, for Russians living there only in a nightmare they might dream of returning to Russia.
              The best friend 3 years ago married neither a Lithuanian and moved from Kaliningrad to Klaipeda. Learned the language will soon receive citizenship. In Kaliningrad, only to visit the elderly and quickly home and Klaipeda.
              1. 0
                December 3 2012
                "By the way, for the Russians living there only in a nightmare can dream of returning to Russia"
                Naturally, because there they have something - housing, work (if any). And in Russia, bureaucrats put a bolt on them, despite various programs for the resettlement of Russians from countries belonging to the USSR. Is there such a thing?
                "I did not notice the tension between them" - I noticed it back in the USSR. Naturally, these are not radical manifestations. At best, "polite cold". I admit that there are exceptions.
                I am not against the peoples of the Baltic states, as an ethnic group. I am against the soaring spirit of chauvinism.
    39. +6
      November 29, 2012
      No one and nothing is threatening the Baltic states (unless, of course, they will not become greyhounds. And THEY WILL NOT BECOME!), They know this, and therefore they have such an army. Well, a mongrel barks to the East, because they are being tempted from the West, well, I’m getting into the electorate with my pseudo-construction of my defense capabilities. What is pop and such a parish. What a people is, such is its place in history and on the map. Their job is to slowly and sadly catch sprats.
      1. 0
        November 30, 2012
        Their job is to slowly and sadly catch the sprat - to the point good
    40. 0
      November 29, 2012
      As Estonians and Latvians invincible armies bragged

      In case of war, the Baltic states will last a maximum of a day, and this is subject to the support of neighboring countries such as Scandinavia and Poland, which they do not understand for good ...
    41. survivor
      0
      November 29, 2012
      but it’s interesting, who can just think of a thread about which war between the Baltic states is quite possible? oh no wonder hot Estonian guys criticize their no less ardent Latvian colleagues. by themselves, all three republics, in view of their microscopic nature, nor of any military resistance, will be able to provide. even with paramilitary organizations in addition. but if they unite in one Baltic state, and the time of resistance will increase from 1-5 minutes to an hour. that’s exactly how much time NATe needs to react. Since a provocation is needed to unleash a war, where is the guarantee that the skirmishers will not be Baltic? as an option. allegedly an attack by Belarusian troops on the territory of the Baltic states. followed by the entry of Russia into the war. why not an option?
    42. Raven
      +10
      November 29, 2012
      Fear Estonians soldier
      Fortunately, we at least have normal aircraft.
      1. kostello2004
        0
        December 3 2012
        yeah inflatable s-300 and t-80
    43. 0
      November 29, 2012
      No, the Latvian army is stronger. They even have a tank. (T-55) For the past years, Estonians have been given exercises, but the year before last, the kurats tried to pinch it. With a scandal, but returned. The information is completely serious, without sneakers.
    44. abelardo1191
      +1
      November 29, 2012
      The Baltic horse, the fascist shortcomings of which Nnepotellilli ?? !!! Scum!
      1. Nicotine 7
        +2
        November 29, 2012
        Not when Rusich did not humiliate other Peoples, either in word or deed.
    45. xan
      +1
      November 29, 2012
      Jackyun,
      Forty days ... The right time, may they rest in peace!

      I think that in NATO's plans 40 days are assigned based on these considerations. cunning main Europeans give Russians 40 days for everything about everything. if ours succeed, then the main Europeans will throw up their hands and say "what to do now", and if they do not succeed, they will give a few more days.
    46. panda
      -1
      November 29, 2012
      By the way, Estonia is one of the most consistent and fearless critic of the actions of the Russian Federation, compared with them Latvia, Lithuania premature babies)
    47. 0
      November 29, 2012
      Yeah...

      As Vladimir Mayakovsky wrote about Estonia:
      "They even have guns:
      Either five or six "

      Actually ...
      1. +2
        November 30, 2012
        Quote: SlavaP
        Either five or six "


        Estonia has only one gun, and recently another tank has appeared. We leased him from Latvia. In the photo the army of ER, I won’t be surprised if this is all ...
        1. +10
          November 30, 2012
          If my sources are not mistaken, this T-55-AM tank, or something like that, maybe there are not enough numbers or letters.

          PS You can draw at least a hundred drawbacks to me, tell me the main thing for what, maybe I'm lying about Estonian tanks or guns? Do I need it? Schaub yes no wink ? request

          Watch the video carefully and to the end, there about Estonian missile forces, yes, you heard right, there are such (there are probably 10 people in them) ...

          1. Dimon simfer
            0
            November 30, 2012
            This missile system they drove the Americans wassat
    48. +2
      November 30, 2012
      When I hear about the Baltic countries I immediately have associations with the hobbits and the lord of the rings, it feels like they have eaten all the mushrooms there and will not let them go. sometimes amuse but more often I want to give a slap
    49. +1
      November 30, 2012
      Now I know how to hit America !!! It is necessary that they ask the Baltic states to declare war on Russia, and then the entire US leadership will die of laughter wassat
      All that is left is to neigh and think to what senility people can be brought.
    50. redragor
      +3
      November 30, 2012
      Here is a video of the parade of the Latvian armed forces:

      http://youtu.be/-OnJxEDXGNc
      1. 0
        November 30, 2012
        This is ... some kind of ...... shame ......
      2. +1
        November 30, 2012
        and this is powerful Latvian artillery ...... this is pipets and not a parade)))
      3. Denzel13
        +1
        November 30, 2012
        redragor, thanks for the link, lying under the table for about 15 minutes from laughter. As I understand it, they also showed their Navy at this parade. Particularly impressed with the air defense - as many as two guns. wassat What year is this memory interesting.

        As I understand it, they do not bother with drill strides, and so that they keep up.
      4. 0
        December 7 2012
        Quote: redragor
        Here is a video of the parade of the armed forces of Latvia


        “And we also have THREE (as much as three) tanks !!! lol And on rubber boats (by the way Latvian production) they will catch up with missile boats, I think so?
    51. +4
      November 30, 2012
      Estonians... they are like that... :)
      1. +1
        November 30, 2012
        this is tough...
    52. +2
      November 30, 2012
      Catastrophe!!! There are two powerful and hostile military groups at our very borders!!! How to live with this???!!!! belay

      Thanks to the author for the article!!! Good laugh!!! laughing laughing laughing

      PS: in general, I’m tired of these dwarf clowns with their imperial ambitions... am
    53. georg737577
      +4
      November 30, 2012
      Thanks to the author and those who left comments! Hung from the heart! Only now it’s scary - today Estonians will read this, in 5 years they will be offended, and in another ten years they will send a pedal cart at the author....
      1. 0
        November 30, 2012
        I didn’t even think about this, I should also build a wall around the house... laughing
      2. Denzel13
        +1
        November 30, 2012
        They have mechanized units - they have ATVs laughing
    54. d5v5s5
      0
      November 30, 2012
      off.top
      After the Baltic countries joined NATO, NATO was replenished with a military kite and a naval raft.
    55. zmey
      +1
      November 30, 2012
      These "ridiculous" armies have only two tasks:
      1. In peacetime - dump them with all sorts of junk (in the photos the German G-3s are very shabby, and the equipment is used), bark at the right time, distracting attention from the main “events”, keep the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on alert .
      2. In wartime - defense of a “comfortable bridgehead” with ready-made infrastructure (booze, food, women of both sexes, hotels, gas stations, airfields for jumping fighters, ports with developed infrastructure, a railway with a Russian gauge of 1520 mm, a transshipment and storage base for trains from Poland and Germany, gauge 1480, while Kliningrad is completely surrounded, Belarus is on the front with NATO Poland flanked by the Baltic states “with grim determination marching towards Smolensk”, also hanging over the north-western regions of Russia - Moscow is less than 20 minutes away) let 40 minutes or 1 hour, or 1 day - the main thing is that NATO has time to deploy rapid reaction forces and aviation, while VERY LOUDLY HYSTERIA to the whole world that RUSSIA attacked small “freedom-loving and democratic countries”!
      Not “comfortable bridgeheads,” but we had to land!
      1. Sicily - rocks, Germans, complete confusion, friendly fire.
      2. Italy - a long sloping coastline, arrogant Germans who dared to shoot back, complete confusion, friendly fire.
      3. Normandy - complete chaos, Germans shooting back, bad roads, damn hedges.
      4. Islands in the Pacific Ocean - confusion, roads, housing, booze, food, no women, desertion and other delights of camp life in the mud, and even these fanatics are Japanese.
      5. Korea is not a city but a lunar landscape, there is nothing + crazy Koreans!
      6. Vietnam - jungle, minefields of punjas, crazy Viet Cong fanatics with AK-47s.
      7. Grenada - where are the Cubans from?
      8. Panama - it turns out there are several combat-ready units here?!
      9. Kuwait - just sand, nothing else, someone somewhere is shooting at someone?!
      10. Afghanistan - damn mountains, damn cold (heat), damn desert, all the Taliban here.

    56. 0
      November 30, 2012
      It really seems to me that Latvia has such an army because they also saw these photos.... laughing laughing
    57. Anthrax
      -4
      November 30, 2012
      And how Estonians and Latvians must laugh at our roads!
      And when they find out that Russia, having more tanks than all NATO countries combined, plans to build another 2020 new Armata by 2300, they start twirling their fingers. And this is instead of improving the road network.
      After all, until 2020, neither in Europe nor in the USA will anyone make new tanks at all!
      And what makes them even sadder is that our medicine is 30 years behind the world’s.
      The state allocates as much as 15 billion dollars a year for health care, with oil and gas revenues of 200 billion a year.
      Everything else (and not very much) through insurance companies and the Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund,
      And they probably laugh at the millions of Russians who do not have a warm toilet in the 21st century.
      After all, they were smart enough to build 30 strategic nuclear missiles last year with their bare bottoms in the wind, while in all of NATO not a single new strategic missile appeared last year.
      For a great superpower to have tens of thousands of houses with wood heating even in cities is probably a laughing matter for its neighbors.
      Z.Y. In general, the Balts are great, they are smart enough to invest in internal development and improve the lives of their own citizens, and not engage in an arms race
      1. Denzel13
        -1
        November 30, 2012
        Oh, another State Department singer. Are your salaries delayed?

        PS Or maybe the “offended” Balts, since they are so correct, will compensate Russia for what was invested in them after World War II?
        Or is it weak to admit that they would have died in the primitive communal system if not for subsidies?
        Perhaps it’s nice to be “smart and democratic” when you live at the expense of someone else?
        Countries are parasites, in a word. Previously they lived at the expense of the USSR, now they live on handouts from the US “table”. Here it is worth remembering one thing - whoever collects the crumbs under the table does not have the right to vote.
        1. Anthrax
          +1
          November 30, 2012
          Well, the machinations of aliens and the State Department are everywhere. And where are psychiatrists looking?
          Why, then, do primitive communal people live so much more worthy than a super-superpower?
          And where is this huge amount of money invested by the USSR in the Baltic republics?
          Why then are they less developed than the neighboring Baltic countries - Finland, Sweden, Norway?

          What can Upper Volta give its neighbors with nuclear missiles?
          Poverty and tanks. There is nothing more to give.
          ZY 20 years after the end of the Soviet period and little remained of Soviet roads and in general too much time has passed since then to say that the Balts live better than ours because the USSR fed them.
          This is a digression from explaining why, in a country with hundreds of billions of dollars a year from oil and gas, millions of people live like they did in the century before last.
          1. Denzel13
            -1
            December 2 2012
            Quote: ANTHRAX
            This is a sidetrack


            What "uncomfortable" topic has started?
            Should you drop the links to the money invested, or will you find the ability to search the Internet yourself?

            Although, what difference does it make, I repeat once again - those who live on handouts do not have the right to vote. Used only as a “talking head” as needed by the same State Department.
      2. 0
        November 30, 2012
        but excuse me, “will you answer for the market”?
        Europe and the USA don’t need to do this until 2020, because they did it in the 90s.
        Medicine may be lagging behind in some ways, but how many times will you call an ambulance for free in Germany? and they treat oncology for free? (They put my mother back on her feet without a penny that year)
        But do you know for sure about a warm toilet for all Europeans (and the USA)? did they check? does everyone have it there?
        Ask Kadafi about 30 missiles, if he knew the situation he would have bought one long ago.

        Z.Y. In general, the Balts are great, they are smart enough to invest in internal development and improve the lives of their own citizens, and not engage in an arms race
        were you there? I think not!
        1. Anthrax
          0
          November 30, 2012
          Can you find out how many new (not modernized) tanks have been made in the USA over the past 15 years? How many in Europe?
          I’ll say about the USA - since 1993, not a single new tank!
          And the newest US land-based strategic missile is already 34 years old
          Quote: pinachet
          Do they treat oncology for free? (They put my mother back on her feet without a penny that year)

          Please explain why there are thousands of requests on the Internet and in the media for financial assistance for cancer patients who cannot be treated without paying or free of charge in our country and are being taken abroad?
          And why do our oligarchs and bureaucrats prefer to go abroad for treatment?
          After all, the best medical forces and resources would have been collected for them here.
          Moreover, doctors abroad do not travel by ambulance, with rare exceptions.
          And rightly so.
          A doctor is a highly qualified specialist who uses super-expensive and modern equipment to treat a patient.
          But our doctor is a rogue in an ambulance doing the work of an orderly.
          Our state is sorry for the funds to equip a doctor’s workplace, so he runs home with a spatula and a phonendoscope.
          Of course, he will look at the throat, but he has nothing to diagnose oncopathology in time.
    58. Anthrax
      0
      November 30, 2012
      federal highway
    59. 0
      November 30, 2012
      Until recently, Georgia took 1st place in the competition of military jokes and curiosities. Since 2008, the Baltic states have been confidently leading. Are they next?
    60. Anthrax
      0
      November 30, 2012
      And 3 tank battalions and 2 artillery divisions for the entire great and terrible Wehrmacht, ugh, that is, the Bundeswehr isn’t funny?
      As part of the reform of the Bundeswehr, the head of the military department plans to reduce its number to 156 thousand people. – regular military personnel and soldiers serving under contract. Taking into account voluntary service, the total number of German armed forces will be 163,5 thousand people. At the same time, Zu Guttenberg left himself room for maneuver, in particular, the possibility of increasing the number of armed forces to 180 thousand people. - with a corresponding increase in military appropriations
      According to official data from the German Ministry of Defense, today about 250 thousand people serve in the Bundeswehr. /ground forces - 92,24 thousand people, Air Force - 41,83 thousand people, Navy - 17,4 thousand people, sanitary service - 23,5 thousand people, conscripts - 69,6 thousand people, other structures - 1,3 thousand people, including about 17,4 thousand women. The number of career military and contract soldiers is 190 thousand people.

      To the greatest extent, according to the Bild newspaper, the reduction will affect the ground forces, the number of which will decrease to 54,5 thousand people. They will only consist of three tank battalions of 44 heavy Leopard-2 tanks each, as well as two artillery battalions. Airborne units will be consolidated into one regiment of 2 thousand people. And the ground forces will transfer CH-53 transport helicopters to the Air Force.

      http://www.rodon.org/polit-100903111615
      But the Germans will be laughing at our roads for a long time. And we will build another 2020 new tanks by 2300
      If only they knew about our famous “toilet” type toilets in the form of a barn with a hole in the floor, they would laugh even more. And they would twist their fingers at their temples.
    61. Anthrax
      0
      November 30, 2012
      And what kind of old equipment do they use?
      Latvia will buy a 39-year-old helicopter from Finland
      The Latvian government has decided to allocate 840 lats for the purchase of two used helicopters from the Finnish border guard. One of the helicopters was produced in 000, the second in 1974.

      The State Border Guard plans to buy Agusta Bell 206B helicopters, and the price also includes sets of spare parts.

      http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/latvia/latviya-kupit-u-finlyandii-39-letnij-verto


      let.d?id=42859626
      And last year, the Americans bought equally old Hariers from the Britons.
      And the Britons wrote off and sold the Harriers because they wrote off all the aircraft carriers and for the first time since 1918, the “Great Sea Power” was left without aircraft carriers.
      Total health care spending in the UK is 6 times more than military spending.
      Government spending in the US on just two federal programs, Medicare and Medicaid, was 2 billion in 789.
      More than all US military spending.
      Total healthcare spending in the US has reached $2,5 trillion (2,25 trillion in 2007)
    62. +2
      November 30, 2012
      here in Riga on November 18 there was a military parade on the occasion of Latvian Independence Day, what a circus it was! Petrosyan nervously smoked on the sidelines! A show of imperfections, cripples and other junk laughing
    63. Anthrax
      -1
      November 30, 2012
      Quote: KIBL
      here in Riga on November 18 there was a military parade on the occasion of Latvian Independence Day, what a circus it was! Petrosyan nervously smoked on the sidelines! Show of imperfections, cripples

      And mentally retarded people are recruited to serve in the Spanish army. NATO member Spain, by the way.
      And the Minister of Defense of Spain says that the army is an opportunity for people deprived of fate to find themselves in life. And the army does not necessarily have to have smart people.
      In order to somehow cope with this problem, the Ministry of Defense lowered the educational qualifications for ordinary contract soldiers. Now they no longer need to present a certificate of completion of a gymnasium; incomplete secondary education is sufficient. Then the so-called intelligence quotient, which was determined using special tests, was also reduced. If earlier for service it was necessary to have an IQ of at least 90, now an IQ of seventy points has become mandatory for an ordinary Spanish contract soldier. According to doctors, this level of mental development already borders on idiocy and stupidity. Suffice it to say that the average for Spain is from ninety to one hundred points. Eysenck, when creating his test, argued that an iq of less than 70 means that a person is mentally retarded; to perform unskilled work, it is enough to have 87, and if the work is also not permanent, then 82.

      Of course, the Spanish media relish this topic. Many newspapers recall soldiers' jokes and poems like: “When I put on a sword belt, I get dumber and dumber...” “How stupid can a soldier be for us to still trust him with a weapon?” - one TV presenter asks sarcastically. In response to this, the country's Defense Minister Eduardo Serra absolutely seriously states that the army in this case is fulfilling an important social mission: it allows those who are deprived of fate to find themselves in life and in society. “You may not be very smart,” says Serra, “but you can be great at certain tasks.” “For example, for the post of Minister of Defense,” one of the commentators sarcastically added to this.


      http://www.inspace-media.ru/articles/Armiy_generalov_ispanskie_voiska.html
      This article is from 2002.
      Militarism is becoming a thing of the past. Society does not consider the army to be an elite.
      And the elite do not join the army.
    64. Islam
      0
      November 30, 2012
      my reaction to the title - lol lol
    65. wax
      +1
      November 30, 2012
      In the event of a conflict with NATO, Russia will not conquer the Baltic countries: they are simply territory. In general, these countries are a purely political invention for use in peacetime.
      "So send it to us, Vitii,
      His angry sons:
      There is a place for them in the fields of Russia
      Among the coffins that are alien to them." A.S. Pushkin
    66. wax
      0
      November 30, 2012
      The comment misses the word “border” territory.
      The time is, naturally, “peaceful”.
      (viruses hesitated)
    67. -1
      November 30, 2012
      I recounted the article to a Latvian friend and we laughed together for a long time.
      1. 0
        December 1 2012
        I find everything funny. Well, laugh at this.
        Kaliningrad in winter. Storm 7 -8 points. Our fisherman is in distress.
        I asked my people for help. Answer - in such stormy conditions, the exit of a rescuer and the departure of a helicopter are prohibited according to the instructions.
        Thank God everyone survived - the Poles saved us.
        So I think the Poles also fell laughing then.
    68. Stasi.
      +1
      November 30, 2012
      The article is funny, but there is no answer to the questions - who will conquer the Baltic states and for what? Russia? Russia doesn’t even need the Balts as such. For access to the Baltic Sea? We have had it for a long time, more than three hundred years. For the sake of the Baltic ports? We have created a modern terminal in Ust-Luga and are beginning to switch sea transportation previously dependent on the Baltic ports to ourselves. For the sake of rare earth metals that Russia does not have? The Baltic states do not have any metals or resources that Russia does not have. In general, there is no reason for anyone to capture the Baltic states; no one needs them.
    69. 0
      December 1 2012
      They are not that kind of guys and slow - don’t underestimate the enemy, I served with them in the Soviet Army - they fought, be healthy, I had a Latvian boss - Normund Ontskulis, they seemed to live normally, but sometimes they fought with him ... then he kicked me then I punch him, normal soldier’s life in the Soviet Army...
    70. 0
      December 1 2012
      “There were and are no invincible armies in the world, but there were and are good and weak armies.” I. Stalin
    71. 0
      December 1 2012
      A tale about how two dwarves measured their height!)))))
      1. 0
        February 15 2014
        Shut your mouth, you bad son...
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    72. 0
      December 3 2012
      The Russian proverb “A Latvian has a pussy and a soul” has become a reality. wink
      I honestly don’t understand why Latvia needs its own army? belay
      To indicate its presence in NATO. winked
      Well then, it would be reasonable to create one commandant service battalion, since we know from history that “Latvian riflemen” only know how to perform guard duty and carry out punitive actions against unarmed civilians (for example, during the Civil War on the Don, and during the Second World War in Belarus). crying
      If Russia regains the Baltic states, it will not be by force. hi
      After all, in 1940 they were annexed to the USSR by agreement and the Red Army did not enter occupied territory, but voluntarily joined the USSR. All documents are available in the State Archives. fool
      As warriors, Latvians have never been such in their entire history. The nation assimilated by the Germans from the 12th century to the 17th century has only the name “Latvian”. Carry out a genome examination and a Latvian will be 90% German, 9% Russian and 1% Pole or Swede. Yes
      If the Estonians have at least national heroes-partisans against the Teutonic knights, then the Latvians have a hero only on the blood of the Civil War in Russia. am
    73. -1
      December 3 2012
      “You shouldn’t fall into euphoria, but basically this means that the Estonian army knows how to fight and defend the state”

      This will probably happen if there is a war with Latvia))
    74. 0
      December 23 2012
      It is sinful to laugh at sick people, and life punished them anyway ...
    75. wheeling
      0
      February 13 2014
      The most powerful armies in the world, where there are 3 tanks for three

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