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Vanity around the "Kassamov"

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In just seven days of Operation Cloud Pillar, the military aviation Israel made about one and a half thousand sorties. As a result of air strikes, according to official Israeli information, more than two hundred supply tunnels, several hundred firing positions from which unguided missiles were launched, and 26 arsenals were destroyed. According to Israeli intelligence, the latter were used for storage and assembly. weaponsincluding unguided rockets. Thus, as a result of the Israeli Air Force operation, the combat potential of Hamas organizations, KNS, PID, etc., was significantly undermined. The destruction of military facilities was the reason for the clear response of the leadership of Arab organizations. For example, one of the high-ranking figures of the Hamas movement, Mahmoud al-Zahar, recently stated that his allies have no other way out than to import weapons from third countries with which they have good relations.

These words can be interpreted at once in several ways. First, the desire to bring new missiles into Gaza at any cost speaks of the success of Israeli aviation: it turns out that it really managed to destroy almost all of the main Arab missile production and storage facilities. Secondly, the al-Zahara’s statement may hint at the fact that the anti-Israeli “coalition” is not going to give up and intends to, once again gathering its strength, to strike back. However, in view of the almost complete lack of domestic production, the armed forces of Gaza will now have to be content with imported weapons. Most likely, deliveries will be made from Iran, which Az-Zahar hinted at transparently.

Starting in the 2001 year, the main missile weapons of militants from Gaza are unguided rockets of the Qassam family. These munitions are as simplified as possible and can be manufactured in almost any conditions. The basis of "Kassam" is a suitable pipe, such as plumbing, to which sheet metal stabilizers are welded. Inside is placed a simple warhead consisting of the most common TNT stubs, as well as a solid propellant rocket engine. The latter is a pipe with a mixture of sugar and potassium nitrate, sealed on one side. The simplest rocket can fly at a distance of at least three kilometers. At the same time, the starting accuracy is at least low. Due to the lack of a normal stabilization system and accurate calculations when hovering the launch of such missiles is always carried out, as they say, in that direction. However, due to the lack of serious industrial enterprises in Gaza, even such ersatz rockets do not look absolutely useless, as evidenced by the events of recent years, when the number of attacks increased every year, and new versions of Qassams with longer range.

Vanity around the "Kassamov"


However, the range of 16 kilometers is still insufficient to attack most of the major cities of Israel. Because of this, the Gaza militarized organizations had to go to purchase ammunition abroad. So, it is reported that in the course of recent events from the Gaza Strip, a number of Iran-made Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 missiles were launched. With a range of at least 40 kilometers (“Fajr-3”), these unguided missiles can already present a certain danger to the Israeli side. In addition, Iran delivered Hamas or KNS Fajr-5 missiles capable of flying 70-75 kilometers. With the help of such ammunition, in the course of the recent battles from the territory of Gaza, the Tel Aviv environs were fired. However, fortunately for Israel, the number of such launches was small, because the supply of arms from Iran to Gaza is very difficult for a number of reasons. Because of them, the Islamic Republic and the Arab formations have to look for alternative ways, almost always quite long ones.

Not so long ago, the Israeli special services managed to establish an approximate route for the supply of Iranian missiles to Gaza. Of course, so far no one has been caught by the hand, but it is already clear exactly where to catch. From the factories of the Iranian state corporation, Defense Industries Organization, sealed closures of rockets dismantled arrive at the port of Bandar Abbas, where they are loaded onto merchant ships. From there, rockets are shipped by sea to transshipment bases in Sudan. The next link in the transfer chain is the Bedouin smugglers who send caravans of disassembled missiles to the Sinai Peninsula. From the territory of Egypt, dismantled missiles for smuggled underground tunnels are sent to Gaza, where they are assembled and prepared for use. There is information about the presence in Gaza of representatives of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), who provide direct support for the assembly and use of smuggled missiles.

Official Tehran does not agree with the conclusions of the Israeli special services and claims that it only shares technological documentation with Gaza. In principle, such statements do not look very tight and implausible. At the same time, we should not forget that because of all the events of the last decades, serious industry did not appear in the Gaza Strip, capable of mastering the mass production of something more serious than the handicraft Qassamy. Therefore, there is every reason to suspect Iran of supplying ready-made unguided missiles. Meanwhile, Israel has accused Tehran of another attempt to smuggle its military experts to Gaza. Moreover, according to Israeli data, three representatives of the IRGC drove into Gaza during the truce.

If Iran’s participation in recent events receives solid and undeniable evidence, then Israel can get a good argument in favor of its position in Middle Eastern disputes. In addition, the participation of Iran in the so-called destabilization of the situation in the region may adversely affect the future actions of third countries against this country. Finally, Israel can take it as a kind of carte blanche and start preparing a new strike on Iranian objects, as it was several years ago. In general, launches of the simplest unguided missiles can entail a huge number of military and political consequences, including a new war.


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  1. click80
    click80 29 November 2012 10: 06
    +6
    East sausages.
    Go to the galleries Kassam collect. what no rocket.
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 29 November 2012 15: 30
      0
      Yes, the whole recipe is in the article! Tilko has no idea where to get potassium nitrate, and "ordinary TNT sticks" too winked
      1. click80
        click80 29 November 2012 15: 44
        +3
        "Yes, so I told you about the fishing spots" wink , but in fact, young people are not particularly burdened with reason, using Google and Yandex will be able to collect this thing without any problems.
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 29 November 2012 17: 42
          +6
          Missile complexity is the level of Soviet high school. They did, they started.
          All components are free, almost nothing, in a store in almost any country.
      2. Bronis
        Bronis 29 November 2012 19: 54
        +3
        Manure + limestone + straw. All this economy is rotting. A little bit of water and ash. In general, potassium nitrate is a fairly effective fertilizer. So it's easier to get it than TNT. But, I think they still shove sorbitol there. For "sweet life" and rocket efficiency. TNT is more difficult, but not essential. Pipes and nails are not a problem.
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 29 November 2012 20: 33
          +2
          Let's continue the description in the direction of mobile phones, which we did not have then.
          The rocket rotates, in front there is a pin with wings, a Chinese product is stumbled on it behind the 30 green in the limit. The program is modified for reception on the move. Relays with a thyristor for pulling the only destabilizer slowly rotating in front. Desired bluetooth coordinates from your own mobile phone at startup. After the tenth trial, half of the products are within a radius of 15 meters.
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 29 November 2012 22: 24
            +1
            The proposal is interesting, but in those conditions, apparently, not applicable. Otherwise, it would have been fully applied for a long time. All this is relatively easy for specialists of average skill. But for stream assembly, a unified elemental base and at least some level of production culture are needed. But Israel will not allow such conditions to be created for obvious reasons. In addition, Israel also has electronic warfare. Countermeasures will follow quickly. Something like that, probably.
            1. Andriuha077
              Andriuha077 29 November 2012 23: 45
              0
              An underfunded telephone card with the gyro sensor that has become standard for them, with the listed ones, could be delivered from Asians by tons, abandoned by any transport in a bale with carpets.
              Panacea - EW. This is counter-panacea.
              The second - gravitate to a different mentality in technology.
              It is much easier to get into the circle of the earth than in a moving, even subsonic, object. And as soon as he learns to circumvent the existing electronic warfare, it turns out a race with a strong bias in the economy. Crush all the sites - who knows.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 30 November 2012 15: 09
                0
                They don’t need much accuracy. Enough to get into the city.
                1. Andriuha077
                  Andriuha077 30 November 2012 15: 16
                  0
                  75% miss even the cities.
                  But in general it is bad when the target is civilians. There would be accuracy, vulnerable strategic objects are easily located.
                  1. Bronis
                    Bronis 30 November 2012 16: 26
                    +1
                    then you will have to increase the range and power of the warhead. 16 km is not enough. But this affects the secrecy of assembly and transportation.
                    1. Andriuha077
                      Andriuha077 30 November 2012 16: 38
                      +1
                      What if he is exhausted? - The United Nations General Assembly recognized the Palestinian territories as a non-UN state by voting on Thursday, giving President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah party a rare diplomatic victory. Despite objections from the United States and Israel, most UN member states voted to grant Palestine status ... http://warfiles.ru/show-18753-palestincy-poluchili-v-oon-status-gosudarstva.html
                      ... Palestinians have received UN status as a state
                      1. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 30 November 2012 20: 24
                        0
                        This is the West Bank. Gaza is a separate enclave not subject to Fatah.
                      2. Andriuha077
                        Andriuha077 1 December 2012 13: 45
                        0
                        "a separate enclave" - ​​but if the recovery goes, everyone will be cured.
                      3. Bronis
                        Bronis 30 November 2012 20: 59
                        0
                        I'm afraid not. First, Palestine was assigned only observer status with the UN. Palestine can become a UN member only when it is recognized by the state by all UN members individually (including Israel). It’s not worth looking too much at the UN — it is just an international organization (albeit the largest and most authoritative, but most of its decisions are advisory in nature, only the Security Council has a little power, but also not a world government.) International public law is not domestic national legislation, as no coercive apparatus. It is very relative and indefinite. Remember how Russia was accepted into the WTO. And here it will be even more fun. Israel will definitely get on the handbrake and only the USA can get rid of it. They have their own plans and reasons, which we can only guess about. Israel recognizes Palestine is extremely disadvantageous, because the conflict will not be exhausted for sure. 1. Disputed territories and settlements will have to be abandoned - sovereignty must be respected. 2: Hamas will not go anywhere, but will only raise its head in the wake of success - look at the map of the beginning of the 20 century - Palestine is even a little more than modern Israel. For this, a new round of confrontation will begin. And this for Israel you understand ...
                        If Palestine gains the status of a state, it will be more difficult to conduct military operations (they didn’t enter Lebanon as often as Palestine did for that reason)
                    2. Tourist Breakfast
                      Tourist Breakfast 30 November 2012 20: 31
                      +1
                      If you carefully read the article, you will find out that Hamas have long switched to serial Iranian-made missiles with a range of up to 75 km with a significantly more powerful warhead.


      3. predator.3
        predator.3 30 November 2012 07: 39
        +1
        "Ahmed! Set it on fire!"
        ( White Sun of the Desert ) laughing
      4. Pimply
        Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 07
        +1
        Fertilizers, for example
      5. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 30 November 2012 10: 17
        +1
        In the labor camp, schoolchildren made small rockets ..... and saltpeter ...- fertilizer on any collective farm
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 1 December 2012 13: 42
          0
          The price of "Kassam" is named on TV, 200 (Two hundred) dollars, 1/250 of the interceptor price.
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 December 2012 14: 14
            +4
            The price of "Kassam" is named on TV, 200 (Two hundred) dollars, 1/250 of the interceptor price.

            The price of a bullet is $ 0.001, the price of a bulletproof vest is $ 1000 (1 / 1'000'000 of the price). Shall we give up armored vehicles due to their economic inefficiency in comparison with a bullet?
  2. Ruslan
    Ruslan 29 November 2012 10: 07
    0
    When Americans, tens of millions of whom live behind a food card brush, get tired of feeding and arming parasites in a zoo called Israel, then everything will end. And they won’t help, not domes or slings, for the Jews will be able to live within their means.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 24
      +2
      And you can feed about Israel in more detail. 8))
      1. Professor
        Professor 29 November 2012 12: 28
        +1
        Who do you require information from? request The main thing there is to bark louder, and the numbers and arguments are only for smart ones.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 40
          +2
          Professor, you know, I collect garbage 8) Sometimes such pearls come up - it's just some kind of joy and a miracle 8))))
          1. Green
            Green 29 November 2012 18: 50
            +1
            Leave Ruslan alone. He himself admitted that he is an anti-Semitic agent in the service of Mossad, hired by Ben Gurion.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 29 November 2012 19: 15
        +10
        Quote: Pimply
        Is it possible to feed Israel in more detail?

        No, they just throw in "pocket money" ...
        "Here is what Joseph Harb writes about this in the daily newspaper" Ukaz ", which is published in Arabic in the city of Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (issue dated April 6.04.2004, 9, p. XNUMX):
        “The report, published by the Washington office for Middle East affairs, said that the total amount of US assistance to Israel in 1948-2000 amounted to approximately 91,82 billion dollars. According to “The Philharmonic Chronicle. Com ”, when they mention American aid to Israel, they usually call the annual $ 3 billion; this assistance consists of economic assistance of $ 1,2 billion and military assistance of $ 1,8 billion. Despite the significant size of this amount - its real size is much larger. The difficulty is that determining the true size of this assistance is not easy, since the large sums of money that the United States transfers to Israel are lost in the darkness of the budgets of various government organizations, especially the Department of Defense. In addition to $ 2,82 billion of economic and military support to the Jewish state, additional assistance to Israel in fiscal year 2001 (starting October 1, 2000) amounted to $ 3,215 billion. On November 14, 2000, President Bill Clinton requested the US Congress to provide Israel with additional military assistance of $ 450 million in fiscal year 2001 and $ 350 million in fiscal year 2002. "http://www.usinfo.ru/israel .htm
        The political process in the region attracted many foreign companies to Israel, which invested hundreds of millions of dollars in local firms in the first stages. In terms of the number of foreign companies that raised capital in the US financial markets, Israel came out in the 90s second only to Canada. The United States accounts for about 60% of Israeli industrial exportstherefore, what happens overseas is most directly reflected in our economy. http: //www.economics.kiev.ua/? id = 323 & view = article
        Foreign capital flows into the country from various sources, on various conditions and in a wide variety of forms: from gifts and non-repayable loans to commercial loans and direct investments. This is primarily the funds received from various Zionist and pro-Israeli organizations; US Government financial assistance; reparations (payments to the state) and restitution (payments to individuals) from the German government (reparations were paid from 1952 to 1966); income from the sale of bonds of Israeli government loans in some foreign countries (primarily in the United States). The total volume of capital imports for the period from the emergence of the state until 1975 amounted to more than $ 20 billion. Http: //www.terravision.ru/country/view/335
        Published in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, the materials of the US Congress on the provision of aid to Israel, there is an amazing picture of a country dependent on foreign powers in absolutely everything. In total, from 1948 to 1996, Israel received aid worth $ 68 billion (1). Of these, $ 40,2 billion are military loans and military grants. Military grants have been increased by $ 29 billion. Beginning in 1985, the United States stopped providing war loans to Israel, and all amounts went as war grants. Their total amount from 1985 to 1996 together amounted to 19,2 billion dollars. In 1997-2002, $ 12,5 billion in military grants were allocated. ... Now about the economy. From 1948 to 1996, 23,1 billion grants and $ 1,5 billion were allocated for this business. After that, Washington decided that lending to Israel was a hopeless business and began to finance it on an irrevocable basis.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 30 November 2012 15: 23
          +2
          Well, everyone knows how to pull numbers from Google. Let us now look at the volume of Israeli exports to understand the proportions:


          Export volume, billion US dollars

          year value
          2002 28.0
          2003 28.1
          2004 29.3
          2005 34.4
          2006 40.1
          2007 42.9
          2008 56.6
          2009 45.9
          2010 55.7
          2011 62.5

          Source - CIA World Factbook
          As we can see, all economic assistance for the entire period of Israel’s existence is much lower than export volumes over the past two years alone.
  3. Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 29 November 2012 10: 09
    +4
    Hamas acts like terrorists, which they essentially are. However, Israel behaves no better, and in fact, it was he who provoked these terrorists into aggression, capturing the Palestinian territories.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 25
      +1
      It is possible in more detail - what is the Palestinian territory. Well, about the capture
  4. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 29 November 2012 10: 28
    -1
    Palestinians are not bandits; they are patriots! they are fighting for their land, on which these Jews were settled in 1947, which they did not pity in the 40s, and now they are indignant, akin to letting the gypsies allocate land, say in Spain, and let them create their own state and infringe both the Spaniards themselves and shout about the new Zionism
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 29 November 2012 11: 00
      0
      Quote: Blad_21617
      who were sorry they didn’t finish in the 40s,

      This is also a plus, horror. Once again, I’m grateful to the parents who took me away from such individuals as a child ..
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 29 November 2012 11: 06
        +5
        Less for rudeness.
      2. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 11: 07
        +12
        If the Nazis have the right to freedom of speech, then let the anti-Semites receive such a right. You are European, you have it in Europe.
    2. Rockets
      Rockets 29 November 2012 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Blad_21617
      on which in 1947 these Jews were settled, which it was a pity they didn’t finish in the 40s, and now they are indignant


      Oh, right now, Natsik local will run ....

      Before turning on one gyrus and writing something, you would have pumped the story for the horizon. And bazaar filter Hitler unfinished

      PS
      And here where admins look? Or with God's mercy we encourage these moral monsters ???
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 29 November 2012 14: 37
      +15
      Quote: Blad_21617
      Palestinians are not bandits; they are patriots!
      The killing of civilians is not justified by any patriotism. If civilians die during a military operation, this has at least some excuse, like "accident", and when residential areas are deliberately fired upon, when a suicide bomber walks into a crowded place and undermines himself and civilians, this is just terrorism, not patriotism ... The Chechen terrorists who seized the hospital in Budennovsk and the theater on Dubrovka were also covered by similar fabrications about patriotism. They are heroes against women and children, and how experts from the Mossad and the FSB take on them, they hide in all sorts of England, Afghanistan ... I support Israel's position in relation to terrorists, they are fired upon, they respond adequately, even with restraint, a worthless price for a state able to ensure the safety of its citizens.
  5. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 10: 33
    +10
    Can't all the Israeli cavalry and all the Israeli army calm down such a small Palestine? Or maybe Israel has other goals? Maybe they constantly need a smoldering war? Israel does not seem to suffer heavy losses, but at the same time it receives the moral right to spread rot on the Arabs and beat themselves in the chest with a hoof that they are so miserable and no one loves them.
    1. Skiff
      Skiff 29 November 2012 10: 53
      +16
      Israel is an excuse, a mandate, an eternal casus belli, and also a springboard in the Middle East, both ideologically and in the literal sense of the word. Created and sponsored by the West, especially the United States and Great Britain, it serves as an intermediary through which Western foreign policy flows into and out of the Arab, and if wider, Muslim world.

      This obviously meets the interests of Western corporate financiers trying to maintain their position in the Middle East and confirm hegemony over the region - maintaining this strategy of tension in a viable and extremely heated state. Israel’s policy is so awkward in its provocation that it is amazing that the majority do not see the truth behind it — that Israel’s clumsy militancy is a calculated decision aimed at exacerbating tensions as much as possible. For what other reason would a nation-state wish the deliberate, slow and systematic demolition of houses of impoverished men, women and children? Self-preservation through the elimination of enemies? Or the constant creation of new enemies?

      The fact that the West and Israel intentionally cultivate and exploit the hatred brought on by their calculated, blatantly provocative policies is not a speculative theory.

      The force that creates tension in a dam blocking the river produces the energy used by those who built the dam. The hatred, fear, and violence that have reigned for centuries between the Jewish people and their visible enemies have become a prominent driving force behind the centuries-old campaign of invasion, occupation, sabotage, and exploitation by Wall Street and London throughout the Muslim world.
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 11: 09
        +12
        That's right.
        If everyone around Israel does not like it, then maybe the matter is in Israel itself.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 29 November 2012 14: 40
          +5
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          If everyone around Israel does not like it, then maybe the matter is in Israel itself.
          Do you like Russians very much? Well, or Tajiks, Americans, Chukchi?
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 15: 02
            +5
            And only Russians excite me, I love them, to the rest I do not care.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 29 November 2012 15: 18
              +1
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              And only Russians excite me, I love them,
              Yes, I, too, just gave an example ...
        2. Konrad
          Konrad 29 November 2012 18: 21
          -3
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          If everyone around Israel doesn't like

          And who is ALL? Surnames, nicknames, addresses please.
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 29 November 2012 22: 23
          +14
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          If everyone around Israel does not like it, then maybe the matter is in Israel itself.


          The rabbi at the end of the prayer in the synagogue addresses the Jews:
          - People! I understood why Russians do not like us! We do not know how to drink vodka. Tomorrow, let everyone bring a bottle of vodka, pour everything into a common pot - and we will learn to drink.
          Abram comes home, says Sarah: so they say and so, tomorrow you need to bring a bottle - well, and so on.
          Sarah tells him:
          “And you, Abram, take a bottle of water.” A full pot of vodka - who will notice there?
          So did. The next day, Jews come in turn to the boiler, each pours vodka. The rabbi takes a cook, stirs, scoops, tastes ... With a sad look he looks around the synagogue and says:
          - Yeah ... That's why the Russians do not like us ...
          1. Andriuha077
            Andriuha077 30 November 2012 00: 03
            0
            However, there is a hole in the old woman, for the flying "Kassam" they dump 50K of greens.
          2. Nicotine 7
            Nicotine 7 30 November 2012 00: 05
            +1
            In fact, they brought alcohol to us in Russia.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 10
              +1
              And detail? 8)
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 30 November 2012 11: 12
              +4
              Quote: Nicotine 7
              In fact, they brought alcohol to us in Russia.


              In medieval Russia, fermented honey, beer, kvass and wine imported from Byzantium were mainly consumed (they drank wine diluted 1:20). Actually, alcohol began to be imported into Russia from the end of the 14th century, and in the 15th century, the technology of distillation of vodka with a strength of 20-24% appeared, but these drinks were expensive for most of the people.
              So, for example, in the second half of the 17th century, a bucket (12 l) of “hot wine” (vodka) with a strength of 20-24% cost from 50 kopecks to 1 ruble (4-8 kopecks per liter), and in times of poor harvest, prices could reach 4 rubles per bucket, while the artisan’s salary was 40 kopecks per month. Since the 18th century, laws have been in force in the country that strictly prohibited the production of home-made vodka without royal permission.
              Medinsky, in his book Myths about Russia, quotes from the famous "Notes on Muscovy" by Herberstein, who wrote that alcohol drinks in Muscovy could be drunk only on holidays. Therefore, foreigners were settled in separate settlements where alcoholic drinks were consumed every day. According to the traditions of hospitality of that time, the guest was supposed to get drunk, especially foreigners and foreign ambassadors.
              endeavors endeavored in every way possible

              It seemed to foreigners who visited Russia in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries that this was the custom of daily Russian life.
              In medieval Europe Germans were considered the main drunkards. In many countries, proverbs about the drunkenness of the Germans were widespread: "A drunkard, like a German," "Germans tend to live and drink," "If truth is hidden in wine, then the German will find it." Accordingly, Peter's reforms carried out in the closest commonwealth with German settlement led to the gradual alcoholization of Russia when drinking was not only not prohibited by the state but also encouraged. By the way, in Russia they did not allow the use of SURAH - velvet beer (hops),
              higher with a strength of 13 degrees, since above it occurred destruction
              RNA, or generic structure. Hence the saying in Rus-
              "Farther than the damn dozen SHA, as the number 13 is not a step."
              So the IMHO staff did not bring alcohol to Russia at all by Jews or Judeo-Christians, and the habitual use of alcohol came from Western Europe, in particular from the Germans, the Dutch, the British where the daily use of alcohol was in the order of things.
            3. Konrad
              Konrad 30 November 2012 22: 01
              -1
              Quote: Nicotine 7

              Actually, they brought alcohol to us in Russia.

              And also a balalaika, a nesting doll and bast shoes.
      2. sapulid
        sapulid 29 November 2012 11: 21
        +6
        Quote: Skiff
        For what other reason would a nation-state wish the deliberate, slow and systematic demolition of houses of impoverished men, women and children? Self-preservation through the elimination of enemies? Or the constant creation of new enemies?


        Houses began to be demolished after suicide bombings, because a Muslim who has committed suicide with the annihilation of infidels cannot go to heaven because of the suffering of his family through his fault. And the living will think a hundred times before going to martyrs.
        1. Skiff
          Skiff 29 November 2012 12: 41
          +2
          Ten years ago, BG International, a British oil company, discovered a large gas field near the Gaza Strip, with a volume of 1,2 trillion cubic feet of gas and a cost of more than $ 4 billion. Israel, which controls the air and sea space around Gaza, hastily concluded a contract with BJ International, which opens up access to natural gas for the Gaza Strip at low prices.

          "Israel's own gas fields north of the offshore Gaza Strip may be depleted in a few years, and the only long-term alternative source is a pipeline from neighboring Egypt."

          The British Foreign Office describes open-pit reserves: “as by far the most valuable Palestinian minerals.”
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 47
            +1
            Apparently, you need to start learning geology.
            1. Skiff
              Skiff 29 November 2012 13: 43
              +1
              And why are you so embarrassed? What is GAS in Palestine ??? Google and you will be surprised how many open sources on the Internet.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 12
                +3
                Well, at the moment, not Palestine, but the Palestinian Authority. To start. Secondly
                Quote: Skiff
                "Israel's own gas fields north of the offshore Gaza Strip may be depleted in a few years, and the only long-term alternative source is a pipeline from neighboring Egypt."

                I’m talking about this. I recommend reading more. At least about Tamar and Leviathan.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 29
        0
        I would recommend, for starters, to take more accurate maps. For example, this should be at least tri-color. Say, a few yellowish points could be noted in the Arab presence. And with what joy until 1967 did the Gaza Strip relate to potential Palestine, as did the West Bank? Sector annexed Egypt, West Bank - Jordanians
      4. Rockets
        Rockets 29 November 2012 13: 01
        +2
        Quote: Skiff
        Israel is an excuse, a mandate, an eternal casus belli,

        If you draw conclusions by reading other people's publications, with information distorted by a sick imagination, then you will not learn much
        If you start with the basics of the history of the state of Israel, I think you will be very surprised when you find out who made the efforts and means to create it
        1. Skiff
          Skiff 29 November 2012 13: 37
          0
          And you draw conclusions without reading the publication and only being in place and knowing the situation from three well laughing ??
          If you start with the basics of the history of the state of Israel, I think you will be very surprised when you find out who made the efforts and means to create it
          Have you been there ??? Or did they still read other people's publications? If so, you don’t need to hang labels on others.
          1. Rockets
            Rockets 29 November 2012 19: 01
            +1
            Quote: Skiff
            And you draw conclusions without reading the publication

            Unlike you, I know the history of the creation of the state of Israel. Therefore, I don’t need to read that nonsense that you are carrying, I have enough news from the region
            And about it was not, I communicate with those who live there
      5. Uncle
        Uncle 29 November 2012 14: 39
        +2
        Quote: Skiff
        Created and propped up by the West,

        With the active participation of the USSR, by the way.
      6. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 29 November 2012 15: 18
        +3
        Our entire yard, except your parking, is my parking. Yes Yes!
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 26
      +5
      Respected. To "calm down" Palestine, as you say, you do not need a great mind - but it will be genocide.
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 12: 55
        +1
        What does genocide have to do with it? Is Israel's intelligence service incapable of tracking and eliminating the ringleaders and supply lines in such a tiny area? If we wanted a final victory, we would have won in less than a month, and the ringleaders would have been eliminated anywhere in the world and funding with the help of amers would have been cut off. But the key here is "would like".
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 November 2012 13: 01
          +1
          About Israeli intelligence. I understand that this seems to you just - snapped his fingers - and it all happened. The level of the same Shabak reaches the point where, for example, in 2002, when a stone was thrown into our jeep on the street, we were called back a minute later and asked if it had been thrown at us. Leaders are not one or two. In order to snatch everyone, you need to completely block the city, and arrange a general sweep. It helps - but again, not absolutely. I recommend you quit living with fantasies, immerse yourself more in reality.
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 14: 16
            +2
            It was related to the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs associated with such activities and I fully imagine that this problem is being solved. After all, you figured out in a couple of minutes, but for decades you have not found terrorists? Do you believe in their invulnerability? How many people are there in this sector, a million, one and a half ... despite the fact that more than a thousand serve only in Mossad (and how many are still not legal?). As a result, how many terrorists will there be for every Mossadist ... three, five? Plus, the devil knows how many services in the Israeli army and other departments are engaged in operational work. If we wanted to, they would put an opera behind every suspect. And since they still haven’t eradicated it, they don’t want to.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 15
              +2
              I don’t know which structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs you related to and in what form, but you have a very vague idea of ​​reality. It’s just that not one person who directly faced the task of combating terrorism did not carry such nonsense, excuse me.
        2. Karish
          Karish 29 November 2012 14: 23
          +1
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          What does genocide have to do with it? Is Israel's intelligence service incapable of tracking and eliminating the ringleaders and supply lines in such a tiny area? If we wanted a final victory, we would have won in less than a month, and the ringleaders would have been eliminated anywhere in the world and funding with the help of amers would have been cut off. But the key here is "would like".

          Well, now the same thing is only about Dagestan and Chechnya. Only in more detail with the answer why still can not calm down?
          1. Cat
            Cat 29 November 2012 14: 39
            +1
            Quote: Karish
            Well, now the same thing is only about Dagestan and Chechnya. Only in more detail with the answer why still can not calm down?

            And what is there that is incomprehensible? As for Russians with Chechens, for Jews with Hamas, the situation is strictly similar. As your overseas friends say, it's just a business. Nothing personal.
          2. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 29 November 2012 14: 48
            +3
            Exactly the same thing: there is no installation for this.
            I’ll try to explain on my fingers (well, that would be completely understandable): in any Russian city, in any garbage area (policemen) are well aware of all drug addicts, all brothels, etc. however, the brothels and brothels both worked and work, hucksters steamed their potions as they did. I didn’t work in the FSB, but I think I’m not very mistaken if I say: they know perfectly well who and how many steals in the local administrations, but they all still sat in their chairs.
            But with all this, everyone imitates violent activity: budgets are being mastered, and reports are being raised on increasing disclosure.
        3. Uncle
          Uncle 29 November 2012 14: 44
          +3
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          Is Israel's intelligence unable to track down and eliminate leaders

          Do you think that this lizard-like Yasser Arafat never appeared in the sniper scope? To remove the leader does not mean to solve the problem, it is like a dragon, in which one head is cut off, two grows.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 17
            +1
            Appeared more than once, by the way.
  6. sapulid
    sapulid 29 November 2012 11: 14
    +6
    An article about a confrontation between two war-worn nations. Each of them would be happy to end the carnage, but there are a lot of sponsors and "well-wishers" on each side.
    For Arabs, this is a business. For Jews, this is free loans and support from the West, which is not profitable for the strengthening of the Arab countries ....

    I feel sorry for people.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 29 November 2012 11: 49
      0
      Quote: sapulid
      For Arabs, this is a business. For Jews, these are non-repayable loans and support from the West, which is not profitable for the strengthening of the Arab countries.

      Therefore, it seems that it will never end, the stakes on both sides are too high.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 32
      +2
      Loans are not gratuitous. In most cases, these are simply guarantees of, say, the Americans, and then - in exchange either for technology or for concessions. For example, the profit from the use of the Sinai, which Israel recaptured in the war with Egypt, or from the sale of the Lavi aircraft, would be many, if not dozens of times higher than what Israel received under the Camp David Treaty, for example.
  7. Ruslan
    Ruslan 29 November 2012 12: 04
    0
    Quote: AK-47
    Therefore, it seems that it will never end, the stakes on both sides are too high.
    It will end because American Jews voted for Obama and not for Romney - which means they are fed up with feeding parasites. Jews in Israel will be sent to Arabs as well as Jews of Europe were given to Hitler, who will have time to escape to Russia or Ukraine again but then they will have to throw the idea of ​​selectivity and Zionism into the trash or they will put it in the ass
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 33
      +2
      Ruslanchik. If you taught political science, you would know that the Jewish electorate in the United States has significantly improved. Although earlier, for many years, traditionally voted for the Democrats.
    2. Professor
      Professor 29 November 2012 12: 36
      +1
      who has time to run away again to Russia or Ukraine

      Do you miss such a deal?
  8. JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 November 2012 12: 29
    0
    In the photo, these missiles are very much like a salute!

    Israel will not stop until it destroys all Palestinians!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2012 12: 46
      +4
      Respected. You have a poor idea of ​​Israel’s military capabilities. If they wanted to, they would destroy it. But that would be genocide. As a rule, other, more glorious countries are engaged in this. Sudan, for example. Which, in particular, is a member of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC, in Russian - ECOSOC), consisting of 54 states. The Council is the supreme body of the UN, which regulates human rights groups, oversees the UN Women's Committee and prepares resolutions ranging from Internet freedom to female genital mutilation.

      Well, in the photo, Hitler may look cute. And the tracer - a firefly. Which does not negate, for example, the guilt of the first in the deaths of tens of millions of people, and the possibility of the second - to kill.

      Missiles, like a salute, have killed not one or two people in the last 10 years.
      1. Footmansur86
        Footmansur86 29 November 2012 13: 42
        +6
        I do not sympathize with the Palestinians and other comrades, but Israel is a project initiated by no means by Jews, but by large countries such as the USSR, USA, Great Britain, etc. so that the whole history of Israel is built on the support of various forces from outside, otherwise the state of Israel at the moment would not exist.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 18
          +1
          I recommend you read about Theodore Herzel, Elieesir Ben-Yehud, Uganda, etc. Discover a lot of new things.
          1. Footmansur86
            Footmansur86 30 November 2012 10: 27
            +1
            I have not read it, but I condemn it) The fact is that no matter what names they give me the essence of the matter, it does not change, the key figures in the development of Israel as a state are the leaders of the USSR, the USA, etc. Without military and political assistance, the young Israeli state would be bent on two counts, for example, after Britain left the colonist, Egypt launched full-fledged fighting against Israel, and if it had not been for the help of the USSR with captured German weapons, things would have been very bad.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 November 2012 14: 05
              0
              The weapon from Czechoslovakia was one of the directions. Production was launched in Israel itself, and proceeds came from dozens of other sources. This is the usual formation of the vast majority of states. Calling it a foreign project is, well, about the same as calling the formation of the USSR a project.
              1. Footmansur86
                Footmansur86 30 November 2012 23: 27
                0
                It turns out that Israel, through its own efforts and means, achieved recognition as a state and did not vote on the creation of Israel as a state? Who decided to create autonomy or not? The Jews themselves?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 1 December 2012 08: 25
                  0
                  There is no specific definition of a state. For example, de jure, Japan does not recognize Russia within its current borders. Does this deprive Russia of statehood? Or de jure, Abkhazia and South Ossetia recognized only three or four countries. Are they states?

                  In order to become a state, it is necessary to one degree or another to fulfill a number of certain conditions. The more these conditions are met, the more the state has the right to be called a state. And recognition at the UN is far from the first of them.
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 30 November 2012 11: 53
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            I recommend you read about Theodore Herzel, Elieesir Ben-Yehud, Uganda, etc. Discover a lot of new things.


            Herzl’s current descendants, in response to an invitation from Israel to the 50th anniversary, answered rather sharply that they did not consider themselves Jews and were not interested in anything Jewish or Israeli. Herzl and his children, respectively, were baptized Christians and not Jews. According to the law of return, baptized Jews are not considered Jews and are prohibited from repatriating to the country created by Christian Herzl. And the first one who was not recognized as a Jew at the state level was an active anti-fascist Zionist Jew, Oswald Rufaisen, who was born in a Jewish family. About him, even in the Supreme Court of Israel it is said literally that Jewry jumped out of him.
            Few people know, but Theodor Herzl studied not elsewhere, but in the evangelical gymnasium! Here are some links to Jewish and scientific sources of information about this:
            My webpage
            My webpage
            My webpage
            The idea of ​​resettlement of Jews to the "holy land" has existed almost always. significant Jewish settlement
            So what new did Herzl invent?
            Jewish state without Jewish religion. A state in which Jews will be "like everyone else" - that is, not a religious community scattered throughout the world, but ordinary citizens of an ordinary country.
            And one more thing - an unknown journalist has traveled all over Europe (for what means?) To anyone, met with ministers, princes, sultans, almost reached the Russian tsar ... But no one wonders why all these people are the highest rank agreed to accept a little-known Jewish journalist? Who patronized him when organizing these meetings?
            The question is rhetorical and the answer lies on the surface.
            Theodor Herzl called his only son ... Hans. Circumcision to young Hans was not done, which finally quarreled Herzl with the Jewish part of relatives. In 1924, Hans Herzl officially adopted the Catholic religion, and in adulthood published memories in which he indicated that his father had never observed any Jewish rites, but every year he put a Christmas tree on Catholic Christmas.

            “My father’s goal was to bring the whole Jewish people under the wing of the Catholic religion”
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 30 November 2012 11: 54
              +1
              All three of Theodor Herzl's children suffered from clinical depression, which they inherited from their grandfather. Only the youngest daughter of the founder of Zionism, Margaret, who was called "Trudy" in the family, got married and in 1918 gave birth to a son, Stephen Theodore Norman. Both the son and grandson committed suicide. Paulina's daughter is mentally ill and drug addict. Stefan's grandson Theodore Norman committed suicide by jumping off the Washington Bridge.
              Kabbalists say what is written about Herzl in the Torah “Ki Dvar Adena base, Nikreta a-Nefesh Ha-Hu me Israel.” "Because he despised the word of the Lord, his soul shall be destroyed from the people of Israel." So, the "base" - "despised" - is the Hebrew abbreviation of three words. Benjamin Zeev Herzl.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 30 November 2012 14: 04
                +1
                AND? We are talking about
                Quote: Footmansur86
                Israel is a project initiated by no means by Jews, but by large countries such as the USSR, USA, Great Britain, etc. so that the whole history of Israel is built on the support of various forces from outside, otherwise the state of Israel at the moment would not exist.
                . In particular, why Israel appeared in Israel, and not in Uganda.
                1. Footmansur86
                  Footmansur86 30 November 2012 23: 33
                  0
                  Because of that de facto Israel did not exist, but how do you like such a turn that Israel was considered as a joint Arab-Israeli state and at the last moment it was decided to create Israel in the form in which we are used to seeing it.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 1 December 2012 08: 28
                    +1
                    And even earlier, the entire territory, in which Israel and Jordan are now located, were secured as a "Jewish home" by the decision of the League of Nations that must be complied with. And only then Britain changed the terms of the mandate several times, and the UN voted at the General Assembly. The Arabs did not recognize this decision - how do they relate to this? They did not recognize either the creation of a Jewish state or an Arab state. The Jordanians captured the West Bank and Jerusalem, Egypt - Gaza.
      2. vagabo
        vagabo 29 November 2012 13: 55
        +2
        Sudan is not included in ECOSOC (it was until 2009). And the UN Human Rights Council does not deal with human rights at the UN, but the Human Rights Council (Sudan is also not listed in it). There Westerners run the show and hang labels on all in their own style.
        Over the past few years, Sudan has achieved a relatively peaceful "divorce" with South Sudan and is trying to resolve politically the muted conflict in Darfur (in the west of the country). But there really were many victims there during the war years.
      3. Bronis
        Bronis 29 November 2012 20: 15
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Missiles, like a salute, have killed not one or two people in the last 10 years.

        since 2001, 22 people have been killed and 450 wounded, according to the Israel Defense Forces. About 4700-4800 missiles were fired. It is a very "terrible" and "effective" weapon ... Thus, each of the parties uses the "Kasama" more for propaganda purposes - pure PR. Two or three shahids will be more effective, but not so spectacular. And so politicians on both sides are happy ... and people are dying. And the Palestinians have a lot more losses, and it went in a circle ...
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 30 November 2012 02: 01
          +3
          Quote: Bronis
          22 people killed and 450 wounded

          Only because of warning systems, security rooms in most apartments, bomb shelters and other things, plus competent work of the rear services. If not for all this, there would have been more victims at times.
          In cities close to Gaza, where it’s less than 15 seconds to find shelter, there are concrete shelters on every corner
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 30 November 2012 13: 42
            0
            I partially agree, but not only. A small mass of warheads, to put it mildly, scanty accuracy, accuracy and mass use per one salvo. Of course, taking precautions can help reduce your losses. But if a couple of Grad installations had worked, the measures would have been far from sufficient. But on the psyche of "Kasama" decent pressure.
            1. Konrad
              Konrad 30 November 2012 22: 10
              +2
              Quote: Bronis
              ... But now, if a pair of Grad units worked

              Then the answer would be appropriate. And then everyone would blame Israel for aggression and cruelty.
    2. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 30 November 2012 10: 22
      +1
      ....Or vice versa? .................................................. .. There will be no order as long as Israel exists ........ the Arabs will never let him live .... and it is not only the Palestinians ........ALL Arabs hate Israel
  9. yanus
    yanus 29 November 2012 13: 54
    +3
    Palestinians may and may think they are fighting for a just cause. Maybe this is really true. But the fact that they purposefully shoot at civilian targets makes them terrorists and it’s even silly to discuss it.
    They want to fight, let them beat on the Israeli army.
    1. WW3
      WW3 29 November 2012 15: 04
      +5
      Quote: yanus
      they target civilian targets

      They shoot towards the side of Israel with unguided rockets of the Kassam family., And where it gets into a range of 16 kilometers ....
      a range of 16 kilometers is still not enough to attack most major cities in Israel.


      Due to the lack of a normal stabilization system and accurate calculations during guidance, the launch of such missiles is always carried out, as they say, in that direction.
      1. MG42
        MG42 29 November 2012 15: 16
        +7
        Flying water or gas pipe with welded stabilizers.
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 29 November 2012 18: 00
          +1
          http://topwar.ru/7853-chto-ni-vystrel-vse-v-cel.html Господин Мураховский также подчеркнул, что благодаря низкой стоимости модуля появится возможность за короткое время обеспечить артиллерийские войска России большим числом управляемых снарядов, при этом никаких дополнительных средств на модернизацию самих орудий не понадобится.
  10. georg737577
    georg737577 29 November 2012 15: 49
    +2
    But the first nuclear attack we will see is in Israel. It's a question of time.
  11. Kir
    Kir 29 November 2012 18: 57
    +1
    If Professor and Pupyrchaty are indignant, it’s understandable, especially the latter fought, I don’t know about the former, but such subjects as Rumata, why climb, if I don’t like some company, I’m simply not present in it !!!
    As for the Palestine-Israel problem, or vice versa, the obscene project of the conflict that was paid off from well-known sources, and if they are not indicated and not called, this does not mean that no one understands where the money came from. but that’s why they are silent, it’s not hard to guess .....
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 30 November 2012 02: 06
      +1
      Quote: Kir
      Rumata, why climb, if I don’t like some company, I’m just not present in it !!!

      I am here because of a certain number of interesting personalities. versed in military equipment and whose comments I am interested to read. The way the number of Ostap and Foxes in Runet is growing is scary, or shkololo has grown and climbed to serious sites or the world is changing

      Quote: Kir
      especially the last fought


      And if I also fought, can I write what I want? =))
      1. Kir
        Kir 30 November 2012 03: 32
        +1
        For the historical homeland?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 November 2012 10: 20
          +2
          In Israel, the majority somehow fought.
  12. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 29 November 2012 22: 34
    +1
    in theory, Jews need such an enemy, there is someone to train on
    (so that the army does not relax)
    can tell their opponents that the rocket can be shared
    then the warhead will be larger (joke)
  13. brush
    brush 30 November 2012 00: 14
    +4
    I propose that the Jews smash all pipe factories in Eurasia. Otherwise, you cannot cope with the box office.
  14. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 30 November 2012 13: 41
    +1
    There is only one way to stop the conflict in Palestine. The first is to completely disarm all the militants, to introduce international police forces, all the money transferred to the Palestinian authorities under tight control.
    The second is to introduce compulsory secondary education, to open secondary and higher specialized educational institutions.
    The third is to open production, any main thing that would not be unemployed.
    This is the only way to rectify the situation, and I’m sure that in a few years the region will be calm, unless of course the goal of the main defendants in world politics is the world in the Middle East
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 November 2012 13: 59
      +1
      There are international police forces, for example, in Lebanon. They should, like, prevent Hezbollah from importing weapons into southern Lebanon. AND? Not a panacea, everything.
      As for secondary education - the Palestinians are very educated guys. Only you should read the textbooks that are published at the expense of the UN, and what they write in these textbooks.
      Production is all the way. Only when high-tech greenhouses were bought from the Israelis, during their departure from Gaza, did the greenhouses loot. Twice.

      If you think about all this, then do not think that others have not tried
  15. knn54
    knn54 30 November 2012 14: 38
    0
    If my memory serves me, in Israel there are 2-3 police officers per 100 people, in Russia / Ukraine this figure is 2-3 times higher. So it's not about quantity, but quality. The term "anti-simite" is interesting - the Arabs are also Semites ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 November 2012 14: 52
      +2
      The term refers to hostility towards Jews and / or Jews, and not to all the peoples of the Semitic language group. The word "anti-Semitism" was first used by German publicist Wilhelm Marr in the 19th century. his pamphlet, The Victory of Germanism over Jewry. The term is explained by racist ideas about the biological incompatibility of Europeans, who appeared among the first ideologists of racial anti-Semitism as the "Germanic" or "Aryan" race, and Jews as representatives of the "Semitic race". Since then, it means precisely hostility to the Jews, despite attempts, based on etymology, to extend the term to the Arabs, in view of the fact that they also speak the language of the Semitic group.
      Sometimes the term Judeophobia is used as a synonym.

      This is about terminology.

      The number of police in Israel, according to data published in the Russian press, is 3.5 per 1000 people, not 100. In Russia / Ukraine it is about 9. But here it would be interesting to look at the calculation method itself - how and who were counted
  16. DERWISH
    DERWISH 11 December 2012 01: 33
    0
    no words! no accuracy! But what about the children of a woman and just civilians ??? and how then to call these heroes of the militants? in a word TERROR !!!!