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French perspective shooting complex RAPOR

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If you take a separate tenacious branch of a single family weapons and follow its development, one way or another, one can observe at least some progress, otherwise it would not be called development. Recently, however, looking at the designs of some "promising" samples, it is difficult to say that the weapon is developing. Most often, nothing really new and at the same time worth the money that was spent on development, does not appear, but there are exceptions. In this article we will try to figure out whether the French “promising rifle complex”, which should have been completed already this year, is such an exception, namely, the ROPP automatic grenade launcher complex will be discussed.

Immediately it should be noted that the scanty amount of information on these weapons, in contrast to similar developments of the same US, but, nevertheless, managed to dig up something. First of all it should be noted that several companies were working on this project, including the Belgian FN, which was developing the rifle unit of weapons, the grenade launcher was developed by Euroimpact, the shots for him are already the result of Lacroix's work. In addition, the not-so-unknown firms were also engaged in the electronic part of weapons, so the result should be really impressive, although it all depends on how well-coordinated the work of the companies is, so not always a plus can give a plus.

To begin the description of this unit is, probably, with its appearance. And the appearance of the weapon was allegedly copied from the weapon of the main characters of fantastic action movies. However, “20 000 lie under water” was once a very, very fantastic piece, but now you will surprise few people with a submarine. It is noteworthy that in one of the variants of this complex there is no pistol grip in its usual sense, instead there is an emphasis for the holding hand, which runs parallel to the weapon shop. This immediately casts doubt on the ease of handling and the reliability of holding this sample, moreover, left-handers will obviously not be happy with such “ergonomics”, not to mention those who will have to fire on the left side of the shelter, almost completely facing the enemy . However, judging by the photos, this emphasis can be presented to the other side of the weapon, which at least partially solves the problem. It is also possible that this disgrace in general will not be the result, since there are samples already in the layout of the bullpup, which, in this case, seems just perfect in its convenience. In general, the design of this sample is very cumbersome and, despite the widespread use of polymers and light alloys, it is not just an impression, but a reality, since the weight of the complex without ammunition is 7 kilograms.

The grenade launcher part of the sample is a peculiar analogue of the American system, where the grenade launcher shots themselves are programmed according to the time of detonation depending on the distance to the target. However, unlike the not very effective, but quite expensive 25 millimeter shots of American origin, the French use 35 caliber shots of millimeters. Thus, the laser rangefinder measures the distance to the target, and the computer sets the time depending on the weight of the ammunition, after which it will be at the measured distance. Thus, the grenade itself does not explode when it hits the target and not after a fixed period of time, but strictly on approaching the target, while still in the air, which significantly increases the effectiveness of the ammunition. Well, unlike the American 25 caliber millimeter shots, the effectiveness of the French is clearly higher and the cost of the ammunition itself justifies the result of their use. By itself, a three-shot grenade launcher, with a horizontal arrangement of shots, which most likely was overseen by Australians, however, they have a grenade designed for 40 caliber millimeters, but this is no longer important, since the Australian complex has been developed for many years, and here already talking about the completion of work and adoption. So to say, who first got up, that and sneakers.

The automatic part of this complex is not as simple as in other models of weapons. So, if in other countries similar devices are based on some particularly successful model, the new model of weapons was based on a new weapon that is not used separately from the complex itself, which seems to be done to reduce the weight of the weapon. However, many sources claim that the basis was FAMAS, which is hard to believe. It is also interesting that the standard ammunition for the rifle part of the complex is not just a cartridge of the standard, you need an 5,56 caliber, but a cartridge with a sabot bullet. But, unfortunately, even the real diameter of the bullet of this ammunition is unknown. On the other hand, it is difficult to call it something supernova inherent in this particular sample, since such ammunition can be used in absolutely any weapon chambered for the NATO standard. Naturally, the converse is also true, namely, that PAPOP can use simple 5,56x45.

As it turned out, the French were one of those who were the first to heed the voice of reason and completely transferred all aiming devices to electronics, which helps the shooter to control the weapon through separate points. It is difficult to say here and so on the move, plus it or minus. But in general, if a person spends quite a lot of time training with a similar system, the effectiveness of the fire will increase many times, especially under the condition that the shooter himself may not even turn his head towards the goal, and completely hide behind cover. However, such a system also has negative aspects, since in the event of its failure, the weapon turns into useless trash in the absence of the simplest open sighting devices. And although the entire front sight with this design of the device will be quite inconvenient to use, but it is better than nothing. Let us recall one of the “national” phrases: “If you want to live still and you will not so much raskoryachish.

Separately, it is worth noting that in many sources two samples of weapons are divided into the early and the present. This is not entirely true, since both weapon models are developed in parallel, fundamentally do not stand out by their design, but have differences in ergonomics, weight and quantity of ammunition, and which will be more successful, time will tell, although the sample in the bullpup layout is ahead. So we are waiting for the official detailed report on this sample, or, more precisely, on two samples.
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  1. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 28 November 2012 09: 26
    +1
    It was expected that this complex will be adopted by the French Armed Forces in 2010, later the date was postponed to 2012, but now it’s clear that work on this project has been frozen in favor of the FA-MAS assault rifle, also designed using the FELIN program as tools for personal use.
    The estimated cost at which they wanted to issue PAPOP AGC is also known, it is equal to 3 euros.
  2. understudy
    understudy 28 November 2012 09: 27
    +2
    In advance of a three-shot grenade launcher to create such a bandura ??? And what is the weight of this product for the space infantry?
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 28 November 2012 09: 31
      +1
      The main properties of PAPOP AGK:
      - centimeter length 83;
      - centimeter width 3;
      - height is 12 cm;
      - weight 5.5 kg, equipped - 7 kilograms;
      - rate of fire to 1000 boom / min;
      - Aim automatic range 600 meters;
      - sighting grenade launcher range 100 meters;
      Ammunition:
      - depending on the configuration of 25, 40, 45 rounds for the automatic system;
      - depending on the configuration of 2,3, 5 grenades for the grenade launcher system.
      1. scrabler
        28 November 2012 09: 37
        +7
        Not too early to give such data. For example, the same width of the weapon in 3 cm, does not match the images in the photo, where the width is clearly about 5-7 cm. In addition, the width of 3 cm, and the shot caliber 35 mm. Yes, and 100 meters for a grenade launcher is khe-khe ... So, such data still needs to be treated with caution, that's when there will be official information, then we will analyze all the cogs smile
    2. snek
      snek 28 November 2012 09: 39
      +4
      Quote: Understudy
      And what is the weight of this product for the space infantry?

      learn to read - a skill very useful in life:
      In general, the design of this sample is very bulky and, despite the widespread use of polymers and light alloys, this is not just an impression, but a reality, since the weight of the complex without ammunition is 7 kilograms.
  3. Dr. Pilyulkin
    Dr. Pilyulkin 28 November 2012 09: 55
    +3
    The chief designer is clearly a fan of Starship Troopers. laughing
    1. Turdaun
      Turdaun 28 November 2012 10: 16
      +5
      Nope, rather the Fifth Element !!! hi
      1. Poppy
        Poppy 28 November 2012 10: 55
        +2
        So in the fifth element on the basis of AKMS, weapons were bungled
    2. snek
      snek 28 November 2012 10: 18
      +2
      What does everyone remember from Starship troopers?


      in general, except that both bullpup with grenade launcher
  4. Mikhado
    Mikhado 28 November 2012 10: 29
    +6
    Not, aspiration is commendable, but implementation is still a long way off. with such dimensions, it would be possible to take care of a high-capacity store for the rifle part, or something ...
    And yes, it’s not clear what the French fighter was dunked at. feel Cho that complexion is suspicious winked ...
    Chocolate, not ??
    1. Hairy Siberian
      Hairy Siberian 28 November 2012 20: 28
      +3
      Campaign is a mannequin.
      1. scrabler
        28 November 2012 22: 12
        +3
        Mannequin, and in his hands the layout only smile But the question is what is open on his face) Maybe the taxpayers, seeing what they spent their money on, showered ... with chocolates laughing
        1. Hairy Siberian
          Hairy Siberian 28 November 2012 22: 38
          +2
          Given the embittered erudition of the local taxpayers, chocolate is clearly not milk!
          1. scrabler
            28 November 2012 22: 47
            +1
            Well, who came out, which is laughing
  5. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 10: 59
    +5
    I immediately remembered from the old song - here I stand, I hold the oar ...
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 28 November 2012 11: 01
    +10
    And the concept of this miracle of hostile technology was probably taken from the director Luc Besson (from the movie "The Fifth Element") ...
    And for greater similarity, let them even add a couple of missiles and a self-destruct button to him ...
    1. scrabler
      28 November 2012 22: 17
      +3
      Well, if it were really such a "multifunctional" weapon, as in the movies, then I would, let's say, forgive him everything))) From memory, homing bullets, an acupuncture course, a "ground -} rocket! {Oops" (sort of like also self-guided), a lighter, and a self-destruct button smile And if all this is based on the AK, and even in the travel version, it folds into a beautiful "egg", then in general beauty soldier
  7. ded
    ded 28 November 2012 11: 21
    +8
    French perspective shooting complex RAPOR


    The Fifth Element (French: Le Cinquième élément, English The Fifth Element) - a fantastic action movie with elements of comedy, shot by French director Luc Besson (French Luc Besson) in 1997 at the studio "Gaumont"

    Bruce Willis in the background "brave"French soldiers armed with a promising RAPOR rifle complex in a distant 1997 year!
  8. Bykov.
    Bykov. 28 November 2012 12: 24
    +3
    It looks like the development of the complex was entrusted to some kind of gamer who loves futuristic "shooters". From such a THING, you can die - WITH LAUGHTER !!!
  9. Splin
    Splin 28 November 2012 13: 21
    +6
    They are still missing and France can sleep peacefully:
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 28 November 2012 14: 01
      +3
      In metal they are not yet. But the general lineup scheme is already wandering through the endless Netov open spaces ...
      We will wait however. Suddenly, really translate into reality ... wink ... laughing YYY
      1. Kars
        Kars 28 November 2012 15: 09
        +4
        Quote: Chicot 1
        But wait
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 28 November 2012 23: 40
          +4
          A faint resemblance to the proposed concept, however, dear Kars. Already kag-be could qualify at least for a prototype. Well, something like that ... wink
          1. Kars
            Kars 28 November 2012 23: 47
            +3
            Quote: Chicot 1
            Faint resemblance however

            What is 2012
            Quote: Chicot 1
            Well, something like that

            Wow, I want one too.


            I always wanted to collect something from the ZV and Warhamera 4000 and the Indian war elephant, would look great with the CT, SU-152 and T-80
            1. Chicot 1
              Chicot 1 28 November 2012 23: 56
              +3
              There is an elephant. Please. bully With a tower from "Abrams", if I'm not mistaken ... smile
              1. Kars
                Kars 29 November 2012 00: 35
                +1
                I don’t want an authentic Indian, although they say there are fighting mumaks from the lord of the rings)))))))))))))
            2. ICT
              ICT 29 November 2012 00: 33
              +4
              Then I returned home somehow, I look ...... lol
  10. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 28 November 2012 14: 31
    +3
    Such a bandura is more suitable for punitive squads or firing squad, but not for conducting active hostilities.
    1. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 28 November 2012 21: 33
      +3
      For "urban" actions, the very thing you need. If it's cheaper than a tank.
      1. scrabler
        28 November 2012 22: 10
        +2
        It seems to me that this is not the last "miscarriage" of the arms industry of the "decaying" West. One thing pleases, in the USSR they tried to create something similar, looked, spat and scored. Let's hope that our gunsmiths will not start doing something like this anew, but will direct their efforts to filling the empty niches of domestic firearms.
      2. survivor
        survivor 28 November 2012 22: 45
        +2
        in urban conditions, an UAZ with a turret on the roof and with an armament is equipped with a large-caliber machine gun and an easel turret grenade launcher. useful knocking autumn, however)))
        1. scrabler
          28 November 2012 22: 49
          +1
          By the way, yes, why is there no coaxial machine gun with an automatic grenade launcher on a light vehicle? This would really be a "death machine".
  11. bddrus
    bddrus 28 November 2012 14: 54
    +1
    a soldier against the background of such a pistol - looks antediluvian, it is necessary to adjust the appearance smile
    1. Krilion
      Krilion 28 November 2012 15: 32
      +3
      Quote: bddrus
      a soldier against the background of such a pistol - looks antediluvian, it is necessary to adjust the appearance


      no, it’s just a visual effect of overload .. the soldier has crap for a long time from the increased weight and is looking forward to the end of the photo session ....
      1. scrabler
        28 November 2012 15: 42
        +2
        But really, is there really no "lockers" in the French army so that at least in the photo it would correspond to the weapon smile
  12. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 28 November 2012 15: 07
    +3
    PAPOR - and for some reason, PRAPOR! it seems ... our warrant officers like to carry everything "big" ...
  13. understudy
    understudy 28 November 2012 15: 09
    0
    Quote: snek

    learn to read - a skill very useful in life


    Thank you, but I had no idea ... however, there are so many obvious "bandura" that it is quite possible to make a mistake in determining the weight category of each.
    In general, it is probably great when a "keen-sighted falcon" is in the company, not devoid of a sense of superiority - they will never be poured to anyone else.
  14. Locksmith
    Locksmith 28 November 2012 17: 49
    +1
    There was an article on the site discussing our and Amer’s shooting, as one American said about our AKM, it always shoots from any dirt and sand, unlike the M16, which if the dirt got into the store window, drain everything, shoot it. And seeing this mandala with difficulty I can imagine it in a real battle, where you have to crawl, fall, stones, sand, mud - brrr smile
    1. Sanches
      Sanches 1 December 2012 04: 58
      +1
      The decrepit M-16 grandmother is still kakakha, but they have other, normal rifles, including her descendants, the M4 and HK-416, which is highly reliable and accurate. The whole problem of the M-16 was in the idiotic scheme of the gas exhaust system, modern rifles do not suffer from this muen. M-16 is still in use only because of its relatively low price. Yes, and even delusional PAPOP was abandoned at the development stage, FAMAS is being developed instead. Since 1968, the Great Shame M-16, they have been moving forward and are constantly developing assault rifles. There are certainly dead ends on this tree, but there are many branches, not just one
  15. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 28 November 2012 18: 32
    +2
    French perspective shooting complex RAPOR

    yes
  16. Cat
    Cat 28 November 2012 22: 14
    +4
    Interestingly, what are the advantages of this complex over the armament in service? Range-rate of fire is quite mundane, standard NATO cartridges ... a grenade launcher, but is it worth it to fence a garden with an area of ​​three thousand euros? Well, the weight, not counting on promising accelerator-rockers - which French women give birth to after eating genetically modified frogs.

    Inexplicable some kind of fusee, in general. Too looks like another cut of the next budget.
    1. scrabler
      28 November 2012 22: 22
      +4
      Look at the Australian complex, there is generally a kilo of 10, but 40 mm shots. In general, it’s not even a weapon in the case, but in electronics, which is stuffed with it, but purely subjective: inconvenient, unreliable, foolishly bad. One thing is a high-precision VSWR, a ballistic computer, but here something is incomprehensible, and a grenade launcher with all these tools can be performed as a separate sample or even as a removable one.
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 28 November 2012 22: 56
        +3
        Quote: Cat
        Inexplicable some kind of fusee, in general. Too looks like another cut of the next budget.

        Drank the dough there will not fail. The French are very stingy people, they won’t throw money down the drain.
        Usually they represent some kind of futuristic model, and then launch a much mundane product of the same name in a series!
        1. scrabler
          28 November 2012 23: 00
          +2
          Regarding it won't give a ride: "Same, our people are everywhere ..." I think that this sample is a tribute to fashion or something, like they did everything, well, we can. The quickest to take out of this sub-caliber ammunition for the machine gun and create a separate sample of a grenade launcher with all these bells and whistles about detonating at the target, which in this case, unlike amers with their 25 millimeters, will be really justified.
        2. Cat
          Cat 28 November 2012 23: 56
          +2
          Quote: Hairy Siberian
          The French are very stingy people, they won’t throw money down the drain.

          Well, don't tell me ... Leclerc, the self-expensive panzer in the world, was both designed and put into production, and they still do not abandon attempts to bring this super-creature to mind. An older example is the famous Surkuf. And if you delve into history thoughtfully, I think other examples of French "stinginess" will be found =)
      2. survivor
        survivor 28 November 2012 23: 08
        0
        no, well, I don’t have anything against the fact that I would carry around 45k in my hands, only what the sex is, is it such a pleasure for me? again, the computer in the tank or plane, I imagine, in small arms .... and what is the soldier just a running stand for him?)))
        1. Hairy Siberian
          Hairy Siberian 29 November 2012 00: 20
          +4
          Quote: Cat
          Cat

          Well Leclerc dear because. that the production series is small, and the French industry (including the military) is geared towards mass production, as most of them belong to the state. As for the submarine Surcuf, this is a gigantomania inherent in all the powers of that time.
          And the French themselves are very stingy people - they eat in restaurants, and they get high in cafes. By the way, we have the opposite. smile
  17. survivor
    survivor 28 November 2012 22: 48
    +2
    in short, another wunderwafer. a kind of karamultuk for office business. I won’t know how, with a sort of swell, but in the fields, but at - 20?
    1. scrabler
      28 November 2012 22: 51
      +3
      C'mon with -20, but with + 45 how it will behave, but with the sand ...
  18. survivor
    survivor 28 November 2012 23: 03
    0
    and this option is doubtful. I say, office shooter, in my personal classification, a weapon for the average person. so that dust particles could be blown away from him, but women would turn around, the combat use, both in the south and in the north, is doubtful. I'm already silent about the city battle. all enta electronics will simply end when a soldier falls on a given unit (excuse me, it’s impossible to call a language with a weapon).
  19. Kir
    Kir 29 November 2012 04: 04
    +1
    I wonder what kind of perverts have created "this creation" obviously there will be a load on the joints. and in transportation it is not clear, and besides, the grenade launcher from above ........, in general, heresy from the weapons world in one word.
  20. georg737577
    georg737577 29 November 2012 04: 15
    +2
    But when it starts, everything will repeat itself - the NATO member will throw out another hopelessly jammed "miracle" and go to look for a Kalash ...
  21. Konrad
    Konrad 29 November 2012 19: 17
    +1
    You don’t run around with such a thing (7 kg.!), And if you flop on your belly right away, it's really scary to think!
  22. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 30 November 2012 06: 58
    +3
    thing is certainly interesting, but no more. and it is not surprising that in the end the French nevertheless laid emphasis on stuffing with electronics a simple famas, and not this miracle.
    Regarding statements about the similarity of this unit with samples from the films "The Fifth Element" or "Starship Troopers", I would like to say that there is absolutely no similarity, moreover, if I am not mistaken, the external contours of the system were formed even before the films mentioned.
  23. brush
    brush 1 December 2012 22: 20
    +2
    I’ll eat everything that moves !!!