Serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: there is no longer enough territory in Bakhmut to keep a large number of troops there

42
Serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: there is no longer enough territory in Bakhmut to keep a large number of troops there

Currently, Ukrainian formations are trying to leave their positions in Artemivsk. This is reported by a number of Ukrainian sources, including both military analysts and the actual military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As stated in the analytical note of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the forces of the Wagner PMC are throwing fresh units into battle in Artemovsk. The threat of a “cauldron” for Ukrainian formations has been created in the city. So, in the center of Artemovsk, the "Wagnerites" advanced several blocks.



It is reported that if the Armed Forces of Ukraine had not retreated from Gorbatov Street, the Ukrainian military would have fallen into the "boiler". In the morning, all Ukrainian troops were withdrawn from those quarters. One of the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tells the Ukrainian press that there is no longer enough territory in Bakhmut to keep a large number of troops there.


Also, Ukrainian militants note that several more fresh assault groups of PMC Wagner arrived in Artemovsk at night. A very difficult situation has developed in the area of ​​Bakhmutskaya and Spartakovskaya streets. In addition, the “musicians” are attacking the Avangard stadium from three directions - along Sadovaya, Alexander Sibirtsev and Gorbatov streets.

Ukrainian servicemen also note the good equipment of the Russian forces from Wagner PMCs operating in the city. According to sources, the assault groups of "musicians" who entered Artemovsk at night are equipped with thermal imagers and night vision devices. The "Wagnerites" are armed with artillery pieces.
  • TG-channel PMC "Wagner"
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

42 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +7
    April 6 2023 08: 40
    Always looking at the map from the couch, you think, well, you need to grab it from the flanks and close the bag. But really, it turns out that the best enemy forces keep the flanks from collapsing? How does it really work?
    1. +7
      April 6 2023 08: 46
      They keep a high density on the flanks, that's all ... There is not enough resource - either remove it from the center to break through the flanks or the Wagners know better on the spot.
    2. -2
      April 6 2023 08: 54
      Excuse me, but without Cannes, do you know how to fight?
      Sincerely
      1. -3
        April 6 2023 09: 36
        And how. Near Rzhev fought for 2 years without Cannes.
        1. 0
          April 6 2023 16: 09
          Submit your best plan!!!
          Sincerely
    3. +5
      April 6 2023 08: 56
      near the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the flanks are held by the MTR and other "elite", and the therodefense and the mechanized brigade "Cold Yar" work directly for pinning down. Arta supports the flanks from Hours of Yar, for this purpose yesterday "Wagner" started Bogdanovka for "pulling mudya"
      1. +2
        April 6 2023 09: 37
        directly to binding
        In other words - in a meat grinder.
      2. 0
        April 6 2023 10: 11
        MTR is just in the city and often posts vidos.
        Also, the rotation has recently passed, a part on Bulat drove in.


    4. +4
      April 6 2023 08: 59
      Quote: Sergey Khoroshov
      How does it really work?

      In theory, there should be a blow to the flanks of 20 kilometers or more, a cauldron is formed and the city is left, because. no chance to keep it. You can, of course, make war in the environment, only the result will be the same and with greater losses.
    5. -4
      April 6 2023 09: 41
      Actually it works very simply. Our troops cannot advance in the steppe, as they lack skills, equipment, air support and personnel. In the city, with bare infantry, it is still possible to fight with the defense. When the Bandera tank units go along the flanks of the Wagner it will be very difficult. In the event of a breakthrough, a hole is formed, there are no reserves behind the wagner, on armored cars it takes two hours to get to Lugansk.
      1. +3
        April 6 2023 09: 58
        Quote: alovrov
        Actually it works very simply. Our troops cannot advance in the steppe, as they lack skills, equipment, air support and personnel. In the city, with bare infantry, it is still possible to fight with the defense. When the Bandera tank units go along the flanks of the Wagner it will be very difficult. In the event of a breakthrough, a hole is formed, there are no reserves behind the wagner, on armored cars it takes two hours to get to Lugansk.

        It's not about skills and air support (although to some extent it is also about it), the main problem is not the ability to covertly concentrate strike groups (US space intelligence steers). That's the whole point. As soon as we concentrate, the density of troops and artillery in the Armed Forces of Ukraine immediately increases in these areas and it turns out not a breakthrough, but a gnaw. In principle, they have the same thing, the weakness of our space is to some extent compensated by the amount of artillery, by any kind of aviation work. Therefore, their offensive will face huge problems and is unlikely to succeed.
        1. +2
          April 6 2023 10: 27
          Plus, a large number of mines in all tank-hazardous directions.
      2. +2
        April 6 2023 16: 11
        In the event of a breakthrough, a hole is formed, there are no reserves behind the wagner, on armored cars it takes two hours to get to Lugansk.

        Through the mud on armored cars... To get under the fire of MLRS... Welcome!!!
        Sincerely
  2. +2
    April 6 2023 08: 42
    On departure, they must be destroyed. Since it was not possible to physically surround
    1. +1
      April 6 2023 10: 01
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      On departure, they must be destroyed. Since it was not possible to physically surround

      What they do. They cut the quarters into pieces and slowly gnaw off the urban development, pushing the banderlogs to the edge of the city, and there, if possible, they beat equipment and infantry with artillery, since almost all roads are already under our fire control, and therefore they will not be able to get out in an organized manner and they will no longer be able to come out in columns. So they have a prospect, as the great orator Klitschko said - "Not only everyone can escape from Bakhmut, few can do it"
  3. +5
    April 6 2023 08: 43
    According to sources, the assault groups of "musicians" who entered Artemovsk at night are equipped with thermal imagers and night vision devices. The Wagnerites are armed with artillery pieces.

    And it's very, very, very good! good Chop dill day and night!
  4. +5
    April 6 2023 08: 44
    Let them stay there. Forever.
    Brevity is the soul of wit.
  5. +9
    April 6 2023 08: 46
    Do not see Bandera Artyomovsk as their ears. Vain hopes for a "counteroffensive that is about to begin," which have been predicted for months. While keeping the flanks from the encirclement, Wagner hits in the center, and soon there will be nothing to cover on the flank.
  6. +6
    April 6 2023 08: 47
    Let now, the Armed Forces of Ukraine retreat under our fire from the flanks, during this time we should have already shot on the roads of retreat. Last night Artyomovsk disappeared from the reports in the Western press, we must look for it. Now the West has come up with another nonsense for itself and is starting to blindly believe it. "Putin moves around Russia, by secret trains, along secret railway lines. They even "found" for this nonsense, a witness from the "FSO".
  7. +7
    April 6 2023 08: 48
    A little more, a little more ...., but in fact, the fate of the "city" has already been decided. The city is in quotation marks because, somehow
    what remains in this concept does not fit. Anyway, Mariupol is being revived, and Artemovsk will be rebuilt.
  8. -1
    April 6 2023 08: 50
    As Rusvesna reports with reference to the analytical notes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And all publications refer to it. Rusvesna is the source of the same
    1. +5
      April 6 2023 08: 54
      Rusvesna the source is the same

      Let's just say it's ambiguous. What is a reliable source today?
      1. +1
        April 6 2023 09: 03
        I stopped reading them when I realized that they themselves come up with news and remake reports in their own way. They throw something out, where they insert gag
        1. +1
          April 6 2023 09: 15
          And there tsipsa grazes in herds. But sometimes it's interesting.
        2. +2
          April 6 2023 09: 20
          Enemy media can be viewed diagonally: sometimes there are interesting photographs. The text cannot be read, just like infographics: they invent everything from a lantern, interpret events one-sidedly. Well, the map can be from the "Institute for the Study of War" with amendments, for example, they still have an "offensive" near Kharkov there
  9. 0
    April 6 2023 09: 00
    Kiev has coined a new term - it's "masterful defense". You don't understand anything about military art. I don't put a smiley, in the subject.
    1. +1
      April 6 2023 09: 18
      I would use a more advanced word - craft.
      1. 0
        April 6 2023 09: 38
        It's not over yet, I advise you to patent the name of the defense. hi
    2. -4
      April 6 2023 09: 45
      I will probably disappoint you, but they defend themselves skillfully. The idea is visible - the exchange of time for prepared reserves. From our side, three unsuccessful local operations in the winter - Artemovsk, Ugledar and Orekhov. In all three directions, the defense completed the task.
      1. 0
        April 6 2023 16: 13
        I will probably disappoint you, but they defend themselves skillfully. The idea is visible - the exchange of time for prepared reserves.

        These are the reserves that were caught on the streets? Or cops + border guards + customs officers = "the guard will attack"? On tanks collected from pine forest?
        Sincerely
    3. +2
      April 6 2023 10: 27
      Well, what are the real layouts?

      Kupyansk and its environs - everything died out +/- back and forth tactical position.
      Northern front - similarly.
      Belogorovka under the Armed Forces of Ukraine despite repeated announcements, including here - that that's all tomorrow.
      The mega-strike on Seversk died out in the vicinity of Soledar, when it became clear that the conditional Razdolovka-Fedorovka should be turned into a broken brick and persistently stormed for a month.
      The gut to Slavyansk - stopped, because no forces were allocated for expansion.
      Toretsk-New York-Northern - for a year now they will be released tomorrow.
      Avdiivka - the capture of the railway line, announcements of the environment, again fizzled out. The same Sladkov wrote that they hoped that they would begin to fall apart, but they pulled up the reinforcements and straightened out.
      Maryinka - I will give the floor to Sladkov, who is there at Avdeevka-Maryinka now.

      Ugledar - all fizzled out. It must be disassembled brick by brick, and in general it is half a year of real effort.
      From Ugledar to the Dnieper - sluggish episodic battles for the forester's hut (improvement of tactical positions).

      Well, the main assault is fighting in urban areas. In fact, the admin panel (which was disassembled into bricks) is actually at the very beginning of urban development, if you go from the south (obviously, therefore, efforts were transferred from the north to the south).

      Among the large objects to be taken are the railway station, Bakhmut 2 station, the stadium, the central hospital.
      1. 0
        April 6 2023 16: 18
        Well, what are the real layouts?

        1 War of cities with the destruction of infrastructure.
        2 Cleansing of Bakhmut and destruction of filtering and pumping stations behind enemy lines. Summer is coming soon. Without water, the enemy will not be able to defend
        3 Foch's game. Local advancement to a shallow depth.
        4 Disruption of the sowing season in Ukraine. Destruction of elevators.
        Enough for you?
        Sincerely
  10. +2
    April 6 2023 09: 09
    Ukrainian formations are trying to leave their positions in Artemovsk.
    They showed videos of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who managed to escape from Artemovsk. Joy overwhelms, all the feelings on his face - "we are going from Bakhmut while we are alive ..." And "Wagner" well done, no words!
  11. +1
    April 6 2023 09: 25
    Un soldat Ukrainien déclare : "qu'il n'y a plus assez de territoire à Bakhmut pour y maintenir un grand nombre de troupes."
    Mais la réalité n'est elle pas plutôt: "il n'y plus assez de troupes à Bakmut pour s'y maintenir" ?

    One Ukrainian soldier states: "There is no longer enough territory in Bakhmut to keep a large number of troops there."
    But isn't the reality that "there are no longer enough troops in Buckmouth to hold on"?
    1. +1
      April 6 2023 10: 55
      Quote from Yanni Kounnar
      Mais la réalité n'est elle pas plutôt: "il n'y plus assez de troupes à Bakmut pour s'y maintenir" ?

      Non, pour le moment ce n'est pas encore devenu une realité. Le potentiel de mobilization de l'Ukraine est de 2 à 3 millions de personnes. ce sont ceux qui peuvent être attrapés dans la rue et envoyés à Artemovsk (Bakhmut) en peu de temps. la qualité de ce réapprovisionnement est très faible, mais les Forces armées RF mettront du temps à détruire ces soldats. L'Ukraine change de viande pendant un certain temps.
      bref, il ya du monde là-bas, et si ces gens viennent à manquer, on en amène rapidement de nouveaux à leur place.
      la question se pose, comment ça marche? pourquoi la viande fraîche n'abandonne-t-elle pas et n'abandonne-t-elle pas? il ya un certain nombre de soldats motivés au front qui sont extrêmement dépendants du régime de Zelensky. ils forment des détachements de barrage et tirent sur ceux qui s'apprêtent à déserter. tout est traditionnel - terreur et propagande.
      mais les cimetières se multiplient et le nombre de motivés ne cesse de diminuer. Je doute que ce système puisse être maintenu plus de 1 à 2 ans.
    2. 0
      April 6 2023 19: 40
      Quote from Yanni Kounnar
      Mais la réalité n'est elle pas plutôt: "il n'y plus assez de troupes à Bakmut pour s'y maintenir" ?

      Le nombre de troupes depend de l'espace disponible. S'il y avait de l'espace pour placer les troupes - cet espace serait rempli par les troupes. L'Ukraine a beaucoup de "chair à canon".
      Et s'il n'y a pas assez d'espace - il n'y aura pas assez de troupes pour se mantenir.
  12. +2
    April 6 2023 16: 59
    Do not let the ukrovoyak slip out of the cauldron that is being formed. If they do not give up when offered to surrender, destroy methodically, like in a shooting range. Who wants to live, they will surrender.
    1. 0
      April 6 2023 18: 08
      To storm urban areas with high-rise buildings, assault guns of a particularly large caliber are needed, which we do not have at all. By the way, assault bombards of large calibers have been known for a long time, for example, in the Vienna Museum there is an exhibit with a caliber of as much as 800 mm, it threw cannonballs and bombs weighing 700 kg at an angle of 45 * by 600 meters, while it itself weighed only about 8 tons., The bombard was assembled back in 1420 from hand-forged iron strips and rings and then served faithfully for several centuries and did not even rust.
      It seems possible in the self-propelled mortar 2S4 "Tulip". how to replace his native 240mm barrel with another larger caliber.
      1. +1
        April 6 2023 18: 47
        Quote: agond
        threw cores and bombs weighing 700kg at an angle of 45 * at 600 meters

        The weight of this fool is not in her favor. It is clear that with less weight, she would not be able to resist throwing a ball weighing 700 kg, but still ...
        This is an ordinary melee mortar (just a very large caliber), and mortars should not weigh prohibitively much.
        But the mortars have become obsolete - they were successfully replaced by mortars. Including for urban battles. And we have mortars in considerable quantities.
  13. 0
    April 6 2023 18: 38
    Well, the denser the vooks will be clustered, the fewer shells will be needed to process them into minced meat.
  14. 0
    April 6 2023 18: 41
    The disposal of ukrosoldatens in Bakhmut reminds me of the destruction of Yuri's foot soldiers from Red Alert-2 "Yuri's Revenge". They are like cockroaches: they sit in one house ... and when their house is destroyed by fire, they crawl into another, which is nearby. And it is necessary to hammer already on that house. Then the same thing: you break the house - these freaks crawl into the next one ...
    But the bottom line is that sooner or later - the houses end.
  15. 0
    April 6 2023 19: 03
    Let the stacks immediately fit into the pits.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"