Ukrainian artillerymen received Soviet anti-aircraft guns KS-19 of 100 mm caliber removed from long-term storage

Despite the supply of military aid by Western countries, the Ukrainian army lacks artillery pieces, however, as well as ammunition for them. All this makes it necessary to put into service guns that were in long-term storage and restore decommissioned ones. According to the Ukrainian press, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received Soviet anti-aircraft guns KS-19.

Ukrainian gunners conducted training firing from KS-19 anti-aircraft guns, it is not known from what bins pulled out. 100-mm guns should replace larger-caliber artillery and somehow compensate for the lack of artillery support for the Ukrainian infantry. Fortunately, some amount of ammunition for the KS-19 was still left in the warehouses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although the shells were made back in 1962.

The Ukrainian army began to use the old 100-mm anti-aircraft guns KS - 19, although they were originally intended to deal with air targets, now they will be used from closed positions and direct fire

- writes "Military".

The fact that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine plans to put into operation anti-aircraft guns KS-19 was reported in mid-March. The number of guns planned for return was not called, but eleven guns were counted at one of the repair bases. It is possible that there are more of them, but there is no exact information.

KS-19 - Soviet 100-mm heavy towed anti-aircraft gun, put into service on December 18, 1948. Produced until 1955, a total of 10151 KS-19 guns of various modifications were manufactured. It was in service with the armies of the USSR, China, Cuba and Iran.

Earlier it was reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine removed from storage Soviet D-44 guns of 85-mm caliber.

Comments

[nellyjuri]

Old shells and old barrels. And if no one has done troubleshooting and repairs after storage? The Hammer will quietly envy the success of the junta army's graveyards.

[evgen1221]

And there’s no way to replace the trunks for sure (but this is not accurate)

[d ^ Amir]

artillery is of course interesting, but much more interesting where they still take riflemen ??? everyone heard about single maxims on oporniks, but Kalash don’t think of ending something

[1 z1]

Kalash around the world, doh .. in general, a lot.

[Egeny]

Why are you like this, Yura. Someone did not like the "graveyard of the junta army crews".)

[PROXOR]

So how many more Kalash are produced besides Russia.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: d ^ Amir

Kalash something to end and do not think

Those Kalash in Ukraine were, at a minimum, ten million. Not all sold out...

[private person]

Not all sold out...

That's it, they just pour into our ears that the Khokh-ly sold everything, but not everything comes out and they still have a lot of things in the stash.

[VicktorVR]

No, they didn't sell everything, only nine million out of ten

[MBRSS]

Do the barrels have to be changed or can they be restored? In my opinion, galvanic build-up, chromium, for example, will work very well. As is known, the metal in the process of galvanic growth is deposited primarily on the protruding elements (ribs, tips) of the cathode. Those. in this way it is possible to restore worn grooves in the barrel, in addition to reducing its diameter. Who can say anything about this?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: MBRBS

In my opinion, galvanic build-up, chromium, for example, will work very well.

Quote: MBRBS

Those. in this way it is possible to restore worn grooves in the barrel, in addition to reducing its diameter. Who can say anything about this?

It will not work. As far as I remember, fractions of millimeters roll in electroplating. There will be no point.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Mordvin 3

As far as I remember, fractions of millimeters roll in electroplating. There will be no point.

Yes, it will most likely peel off during the first shot ...

[solar]

on the contrary, chromium plating is used to increase the strength and durability of both gun barrels and the walls of engine cylinder liners, for example.

[Popandos]

and walls of cylinder liners of engines

And you don’t happen to confuse honing with chrome plating, these processes are completely different from the word.

[MBRSS]

As far as I remember, fractions of millimeters roll in electroplating.

What I know for sure is that they restore shafts and rollers of large diameters (there is such a book on the technical process). You can increase the millimeters. If electroplating is not used, the reason, apparently, is different.

[Repellent]

Quote: MBRBS

Who can say anything about this?

Hopeless. This is in short

[Vlad2012]

As far as I understand, the charging chamber and the part of the barrel directly adjacent to it are the first to suffer in the table. According to its elongation of the charging chamber, the wear of the barrel is judged. They tried to repair the grooves with the help of a liner - a grooved pipe that was inserted into the barrel. But then they decided that it was more economically profitable to simply change the barrel.

[1 z1]

It is unlikely that this method is acceptable even for machine guns. First, there will be a piece process. Each barrel has different wear, it is necessary to defect, select the mode, check again. Yes, and the wear on the barrel is different in length and geometry. In general, it is more economically profitable to remelt and cut, forge, roll a new one, depending on the technology. From my own practice, I had experience with chrome plating of worn bearings at the factory. Taking into account the fact that this event was free and specialists from the Soviet engineering school participated, it still failed to restore to the required indicators.

[Kovalenko_Ilya]

I assume that the wear of the barrel goes throughout the entire volume, that is, the barrel inflates and increasing its thickness from the inside will not work.

[stankow]

Rifling and therefore elongation of the charging chamber occur practically only at the beginning of the rifled part of the barrel.

[Adrian28]

a certain amount of ammunition for the KS-19 still remained in the warehouses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although the shells were made back in 1962

These are the descendants of the shells that shelled Berlin, they should explode in the hands of the Nazis.

[Alekseev]

For KS-19, you can use shells from D-10T and BS-3, i.e. standard 100 mm rounds from T-54, T-55, SU-100, etc.
These anti-aircraft guns are few, they will not make the weather, but all reserves are mobilized in the war, and if there is no PC, then Maxim will go. Only "dull boys" can think that in a serious war there are surpluses of modern equipment, ammunition, transport, etc.
This is why we are modernizing the T-62 and using the D-20, even the D-1, anti-tank rifles of the WWII and Mosin rifles. By the way, three-rulers with the simplest optical sight for firing at a distance of over half a kilometer and no worse than SVD, not to mention AKM with various fashionable devices there.

[certero]

Quote: Alekseev

By the way, three-rulers with the simplest optical sight for firing at a distance of more than half a kilometer and no worse than SVD, not to mention AKM with various fashionable devices there.

Excuse me, are you being serious about this? Or did they not leave after April 1?

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

The man wrote correctly. The three-ruler is an excellent rifle, especially with optics. You know that many of our fighters died in Afghanistan from matchlock and flintlock guns that were used by "spirits". In the thirties, at the shooting range, in the presence of Voroshilov, one officer said that he did not hit the target, because he was given an old, damaged revolver. Voroshilov took his revolver and put all seven bullets in the top ten! Then he said: "There is no old and bad weapon, but there is a bad shooter!"

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Alekseev

For KS-19, you can use shells from D-10T and BS-3, i.e. standard 100 mm rounds from T-54, T-55, SU-100, etc.

And also the whole range of ship 100mm.
High-explosive range up to 22 km.
In addition to high-explosive, there are fragmentation, high-explosive fragmentation, cumulative, armor-piercing, armor-piercing sub-caliber, smoke, lighting, shrapnel, anti-radar and guided anti-tank.
If they run out of their own, the Romanians will throw them in, they produce 100mm shells.
Barrel resource 2800 shots.
In total, up to 200 pieces of KS-19 guns remained in storage in Ukraine

[Vlad2012]

It is possible to shoot only shots with a brass sleeve, and at the same time, a fragmentation anti-aircraft shell is much less effective against infantry due to a smaller yield of lethal fragments. And this is a cannon, and all artillery at the brigade level is now howitzer.

[Beck69]

I won’t say anything about the three-ruler, I used its sports counterpart, the Record. 1270 meters by rangefinder, Novosibirsk NZNVA cartridge of high accuracy, 10 shots, 9 hits, fired at DSO, no fussing about zooshize, there were licenses.
And you can’t get off with a simple sight, you need to put something serious

[VicktorVR]

Three-rulers, they can be very different.
Different years of production and different wear and condition from transferred tests.
It is unlikely that it will be possible to fish out the barrel of the war years of production from the swamp and "shoot" the SVD.

[PROXOR]

ATGM during WWII?! STAAAAAAAAAA?!
I think you've overheated

[restless]

Are you a victim of the Unified State Examination, Berlin was shelled in 1945, and the shells were made in 1962, as they say: feel the difference ....

[Buyan]

Soon the Nazis will put a big beret and catapults

[Mikhail Maslov]

You are right on target, in the cart there is a video from Banderlogs, there they just made something like a large crossbow, they throw hand grenades. So the Banderlogs still have everything ahead.

[paul3390]

It’s interesting - how are they going to use it - it has no cross-country ability during towing .. With such a mass and such a gun carriage .. And in our times this is the first thing - to have time to dump from positions after a volley ..

[Nexcom]

Well, they will abandon the installation after a volley and dump it - that's business ....
Moskalskoye is not a pity.
From for the Western-Svidomo they harem pants, they can tear mercilessly .....
From the sinuses of the legs to the throat ....

[dmi.pris1]

By the way, the weapon is quite good. When firing from an ambush.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

You do not understand!!! This is different!!!

[kamakama]

That's it. For some reason, allied tankers did not particularly laugh at the AchtAcht (88mm) anti-aircraft gun in WWII

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

That's it! During the Second World War, anti-aircraft guns were put on direct fire to fight tanks, but usually few of the anti-aircraft gunners remained alive after that. Although the Germans often used 88 mm anti-aircraft guns to fight heavy our and British tanks. Anti-aircraft guns in modern warfare are of little use for firing from closed positions, they will be destroyed before they have time to withdraw from combat positions. The only thing they can be used as guns for direct fire at armored vehicles and manpower in defense.

[stankow]

Does the anti-aircraft gun have a panorama at all? How will she shoot with the PDO at all?

[Peter1First]

Its cross-country ability is perhaps better than that of a 2-wheeled one / the specific load on 1 wheel is small / But about its effectiveness and accuracy in horizontal shooting, there are questions: the center of mass is high, recoil compensation and emphasis on the ground are doubtful .. .

[Fitter65]

Ukrainian gunners conducted training firing from KS-19 anti-aircraft guns, it is not known from what bins pulled out.

A few days ago it was announced that these were Ukrainian trophies. 11 guns were taken by the valiant vushniks ...

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

S-60s are used by us, KS-19s are not. If the Ukrainians captured them somewhere, then only from the gum. help some sunny Moldova.

[ALCA056000]

PVZRKKU (whoever is in the subject will understand), there was nothing at the training ground in storage. Although, quite by today they could have been fused in metal.

[Ksyusha Oleneva]

We also removed these anti-aircraft guns from storage.

[kapitan92]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

If the Ukrainians captured them somewhere, then only from the gum. help of some sunny Moldova.

Ukraine. SV of Ukraine - at least 173 KS-19 and 10 KS-19M2 in storage. (wiki)

[sw79]

They didn’t even lie, according to museums, and from which abandoned landfills they were “trophied”.

[Nikolay Dyaglev]

So the gun is good, but of course it’s a problem with shells, it’s dangerous to shoot like that

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Nikolay Dyagelev

So the gun is good, but of course it’s a problem with shells, it’s dangerous to shoot like that

Well, as they tie the rope more authentically, they will retreat 60-100 meters and from there they will pull. This is really not an anti-aircraft gun.

[Repellent]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

they will tie the rope longer, they will retreat 60-100 meters and from there they will pull

The rate of fire will be - well, just amazing

[Aviator_]

they will tie the rope longer, they will retreat 60-100 meters and from there they will pull

The rate of fire will be - well, just amazing

Of course, amazing - blacks run out of 10 seconds at a hundred meters, so for the rate of fire, the KS-19 will have to be recruited in the USA. After all, they will have to run 100 meters there - 100 meters back.

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

By the way, her rate of fire is not bad, if my sclerosis does not fail me, then this gun should have a tray for automatically sending a projectile into the breech.

[Gnefredov]

Well, as they tie the rope more authentically, they will depart by 60-100 meters

Yeah. Let them tie to the drone and pull it. At least a video for memory ....

[stankow]

And there is not a rope, there you need to press the pedal

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nikolay Dyagelev

that’s just the trouble with shells, of course, it’s dangerous to shoot like that

I don’t pee at all for this!

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

I myself was surprised when I read the nomenclature of shells for the KS-19. More than 30 types!!! Love has something in the stash and in fair condition.

[Nexcom]

And if it doesn’t, the Bulgarians will drive the "brothers" - the plant was launched exactly on Soviet calibers. With financial assistance from the US and the EU. In three shifts, the Stakhanovite figachat - even on the forum they no longer appear here with explanations of how to perceive the Bulgarian position on the NVO and Ukraine in a right way.

[stankow]

The plant was not "launched" because it was never stopped. And from the USA for help, yeah, wait, if there are no other things They only rob.

[Herman 4223]

Well, is that bad? Let them shoot better than 777.

[Vasyan1971]

KS-19 - Soviet 100-mm heavy towed anti-aircraft gun, put into service on December 18, 1948. Produced until 1955

The cursed legacy of the cursed occupiers. And how did Svidomo's hand rise without being burned?

[Atlant-1164]

If you dig, then the APU can use the Maxim machine gun, and find three-rulers!

[Bolt cutter]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine can find the Maxim machine gun, and find three-rulers!

It has long been found and actively used. At the censor, one even posted an article-instruction for disassembling / assembling Maxim about 4 years ago.

[minus]

I can’t insert the video, so the link to the built-in Maxim is from the APU)
https://t.me/infantmilitario/95712

[Leader_Barmaleev]

During the Second World War, the Germans had a remarkable in all respects 88-mm FlaK 18/36/37 anti-aircraft gun (the numbers are modifications) - the famous Aht-aht. It was considered anti-aircraft, but was used both as an anti-tank and as an assault. When the war ended, our gunsmiths unrolled this cannon and took all the most advanced from the design and increased the caliber to 100 mm. made KS-19. This is a VERY powerful and VERY versatile weapon, and the age of this weapon should not affect the attitude towards this universal artillery system - it can SO fly from it that it will not seem small. So more reason and less complacency - this is a very dangerous gun. Especially for tanks. By the way, our Malki also taken from storage warehouses and they are not much younger than KaEsok, but they work for yat.

[Nexcom]

So, thank God, we do not disdain the Soviet legacy - they restore, maintain, modernize. Well, about galoshes, there was a market, there was .... I do not deny it. But nevertheless - they use it and do not buzz.

[AAK]

Well, at least one colleague said, without inappropriate irony, about our extensive use of the "ancestral heritage", especially since there are not only "galoshes", but also "khokhlopiteki", "chuni", "postols", "supports" .. ... well, in the sense of the T-62, and the T-54/55, and the D-20, and the "Rapiers" and 25-mm boat anti-aircraft guns on "motorbike" and many, many other things ... and even from the same operas and a dumb joke on 01.04.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX about the supply of "black eagles" to the front ...

[AAK]

Gentlemen, moderators, but what about the word khokhlopiteki is already banned in our country, that it is automatically translated into an ancient historical combination that is offensive to Bandera?

[AAK]

Stunned - twice the machine remakes the word for ancient Russian bast shoes into a phrase, it’s already banned ... well, moderators, well, vigilant handsome men ... even though the translated word for Bander is unpleasant, already a plus ...

[poquello]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

During the Second World War, the Germans had a remarkable in all respects 88-mm FlaK 18/36/37 anti-aircraft gun (the numbers are modifications) - the famous Aht-aht. It was considered anti-aircraft, but was used both as an anti-tank and as an assault. When the war ended, our gunsmiths unrolled this cannon and took all the most advanced from the design and increased the caliber to 100 mm. made KS-19.

where do you get such a noodle from?

[ALCA056000]

Yeah yeah, and they also copied the pairing with the PKK .....

[AMG]

No noodles. The Germans constantly developed their anti-aircraft artillery in response to the development of British and American heavy bomber aircraft. First caliber 88 mm, then 105 mm and finally 128 mm. After the war, ours made the KS-19, chief designer Lyulyev L.V., who subsequently made the 3M8 rocket for the Krug complex (in service in 1965). And then in 1952, the KS-30 was adopted in service. Caliber -130mm. An electrified gun with power motors for a fuse installer, rammer, guidance mechanisms from a single guidance device, with a reach of up to 20 km. German developments. More than 700 pieces have been produced. Our answer is B-29 and others that follow. And then the missiles arrived. There is nothing shameful to use advanced developments, even the enemy.

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

There is nothing shameful to use advanced developments, even the enemy.

Well, then it would be interesting to know about the mechanization of all processes by hydraulics in German, uh ... as they say here "prototype" ..

[AMG]

About mechanization with hydraulics, you tell us, uh.

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

About mechanization with hydraulics, you tell us, uh.

Yes, with joy, but it’s unlikely to benefit you - the description of the design and the history of creation for the Internet is not at all a secret. The main difficulty is to show at least a little desire.
... is a mechanized gun in which the installation of a fuse, sending a shot, closing the shutter, firing a shot, opening the shutter and extracting the spent cartridge case after the shot is carried out by appropriate mechanisms. The gun consisted of: a barrel with a vertical wedge semi-automatic shutter and semi-automatic; cradles; tray; hydropneumatic rammer, with hydraulic accelerator; automatic fuse installer; recoil devices; guidance mechanisms; balancing mechanism; sighting devices; machine, shield cover, platform KZU-16 and a set of hydraulic servo drives GSP-100M. A number of changes were made to the new gun, including a monoblock barrel with reinforced rifling fields. An effective multi-slot muzzle brake was mounted on the barrel. Lifting and swivel mechanisms operated hydraulically and manually. The balancing mechanism is spring.

[AMG]

Yes, with power motors I turned down. Well, what created pressure in the hydraulic system? Is it using electric hydraulic pumps? S. Linnik writes: "The 10,5 cm Flak 39 anti-aircraft gun was equipped with an electric drive with industrial frequency AC motors, which made it possible to do without a special power generator and connect to the city's power grids." And one more thing: "The mechanisms for aiming, supplying and sending ammunition, as well as the installation of a fuse, were driven by 115 V AC electric motors. Each anti-aircraft battery, consisting of four guns, was attached to a 60 kW gasoline power generator." This is about a 12,8 cm German gun. "VO" dated April 16, 2021. And the correct remark will always benefit if there is a desire.

[poquello]

Quote from AMG

The Germans constantly developed their anti-aircraft artillery

I omit the rest of the text due to unsuitability, and accordingly the question is - have our types not been developed? ), I hope there are other arguments or tales like with a navigator?

[AMG]

The creation of anti-aircraft artillery in the USSR before the Second World War began after the acquisition in Germany in 1930-31 of a 7,5 cm anti-aircraft gun. On its basis, a 1931 mm 76-K gun on a single-axle wagon was created and put into service in 3. For more details, see the article on "Military Review" dated July 6, 2017, the air defense section. In 1938, the gun was put on a 4-wheel cart. In 1939, an 85 mm barrel was placed on this platform and the K-52 cannon was obtained, with which they fought the entire war. After the war, due to the increased air threat, guns with a caliber of 100 mm and 130 mm were created. It was developed in caliber 152 mm. In 1957, 16 pieces were manufactured. KM-52. I hope that is enough for you to get started. What is a "swimmer"? Accidentally not "Sturmgever"? Then you have something with education. And you need to read from beginning to end and memorize correctly.

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

AMG is absolutely correct. Ignore our sofa experts. They are not aware that the first anti-tank gun adopted by the Red Army was the German PAK 37 mm. The history of our famous "forty-five" began with its modernization. The T-26 tank is a modernized English Vickers tank, a BT tank, an American tank designed by Walt Christie. Our first air-to-air heat-guided missile is a replica of a US missile that got stuck in a Chinese fighter jet without exploding. Our first strategic bomber TU-4 is a replica of the American B-29 bomber, disassembled to the screws. Our aircraft LI-2 is a copy of the American aircraft Douglas DC-3. When creating our first atomic bomb, secret developments were used, which were transferred to our intelligence, American nuclear scientists. There is nothing shameful in using the best practices of your potential opponents. For this, there is economic and scientific and technical intelligence !!!

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

And you need to read from beginning to end and memorize correctly.

Then explain how to remember correctly:

Quote: poquello

During the Second World War, the Germans had a remarkable in all respects 88-mm FlaK 18/36/37 anti-aircraft gun (the numbers are modifications) - the famous Aht-aht. It was considered anti-aircraft, but was used both as an anti-tank and as an assault. When the war ended, our gunsmiths unrolled this cannon and took all the most advanced from the design and increased the caliber to 100 mm. made KS-19.

And your :

Quote from AMG

The creation of anti-aircraft artillery in the USSR before the Second World War began after the acquisition in Germany in 1930-31 of a 7,5 cm anti-aircraft gun. On its basis, it was created and put into service in 1931.

The person correctly posed the question - what does FlaK 18/36/37 have to do with it, if at the time of the creation of the KS-19 the USSR already had its own completely advanced experience in creating anti-aircraft artillery and this gun of Soviet designers could no longer teach anything new. About which it was said. Although I agree - in order to understand something, you need to "read from beginning to end", and not just broadcast your own thoughts on the air.

[AMG]

A mixture of two quotes is incomprehensible, and, accordingly, what is the question? I repeat. 52-K 85 mm was created in 1939 and fought through the entire war. How it was created is also known, there is a German trace. Where did excellence come from? And by the end of the war, the Germans had 10,5 cm, 12,8 cm and 12,8 m twin guns, which were even guided by radar. And so, using their experience, in 1948 we got the KS-19 100 mm and in 1952 the KS-30 130 mm. Are the calibers approximate? And nothing shameful, it was necessary. And in order to broadcast thoughts, you just need to compare the facts. Good article by S. Linnik "VO" April 16, 2021

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

A mixture of two quotes is incomprehensible, and, accordingly, what is the question?

The question is that if you answer someone, then follow your own advice - "you need to read from beginning to end and memorize correctly." Well, "you just need to compare the facts."
Although it looks like you need to do it again -

Quote: mat-vey

The person correctly posed the question - what does FlaK 18/36/37 have to do with it, if at the time of the creation of the KS-19 the USSR already had its own completely advanced experience in creating anti-aircraft artillery and this gun of Soviet designers could no longer teach anything new. About which it was said.

Quote from AMG

And by the end of the war, the Germans had 10,5 cm, 12,8 cm and 12,8 m twin guns, which were even guided by radar

Since you are a fan of comparing facts, compare POISO-3 and SON-2 ... I give you a hint - the equipment for identifying targets and developing target designations was developed based on these completely non-German (although in some places English) devices that the USSR had been making since the middle of the war - and imagine, by the beginning of the design of the KS-19, I already had experience in such things .... Well, the funniest thing is - why did the USSR wait for the end of the war to study the German cannon? Like there were trophies long before the war?

[AMG]

Why dump everything in one heap? What trophies before 1945 in anti-aircraft artillery, where do they come from? Answer specifically. Did you fight the whole war with the K-52 85 mm? Fact? And the Germans have three calibers. Progress? Fact? Ours were designed before the war, but did not finish the 100 mm Makhanov gun, although they had a sample of 10,5 mm. And only after the war they brought calibers 100 and 130 mm to the series. Fact? And nothing funny. As the war rolled west, the value of medium and large caliber anti-aircraft weapons declined. And after 1945, due to the increased threat (nuclear weapons), it forced us to seriously engage not only in defense, but also in jet aircraft, air defense systems and radar stations. Now for the instruments. Before the war, scientists and designers really dealt with these topics, but ... SON-2 - an English development, the beginning of deliveries to the USSR - the beginning of the war in 1941. Since 1943, we have been producing, 124 pieces have been made. You can also recall the means of detection of radar stations RUS-1 and RUS-2. Before the war, they were mainly located in the regions of Moscow, Leningrad and Baku, but this turned out to be small for our size of the territory. Read the historian of artillery A. Shirokorad and M. Zefirov "Swastika on the Volga".

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

What trophies before 1945 in anti-aircraft artillery, where do they come from?

Are you serious?

Quote from AMG

Did you fight the whole war with the K-52 85 mm? Fact?

Well, take an interest in how she could work with POISO-3 ....

Quote from AMG

but this was not enough for our size of the territory.

How everything is in a heap ... you can immediately see not a sofa - not enough because the industry did not allow, and not because they did not know how. The same story with night vision devices was - even before the war there were ... And anti-aircraft guns with mechanization and automation for the fleet even before the war began to be developed.

Quote from AMG

Before the war, they were mainly located in the regions of Moscow, Leningrad and Baku

It turns out interesting - it was someone else who did it for the USSR ... And he didn’t convey any experience, after the war I had to start over again in the USSR with artillery to start from scratch ..

[AMG]

I can't understand your logic to start with questions. Seriously, 8,8 cm guns were captured. 10,5 and 12,8 cm were mostly stationary or limited mobility and were used for air defense in the West. Naturally, they could have been captured at the end of the war. Can POISOT work at night? And what about the hydraulics? Further. To develop and adopt, to produce weapons in large quantities are different things. L. Kurchevsky before the war for several years was engaged in dynamo-reactive guns for almost all types of troops. And as a result, the Red Army during the war did not have a single sample. And the Germans had for the Airborne Forces. It is the same with anti-aircraft guns for the fleet. The new cruisers pr.26 ("Kirov") had 6 100 mm B-34 universal mounts, but they were manually controlled and could not fire effectively at aircraft, and only in 1948 they were modernized and matched with a guidance system. I perfectly understand all the difficulties of our science and industry in the pre-war period, and the fact that we won is the merit of the whole people.

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

I can't understand your logic to start with questions.

And this doubt about your ability to "just compare facts" - a cannon, about which noodles and cranberries are hung here, was used by the Germans from the first days of the war and as an anti-tank weapon. This, for reference, is the front line.
And once again - if there wasn’t enough of something advanced in the war - it’s not the ability to do it, but the limited means, and the design experience didn’t go anywhere (especially in all directions, work on the design of new models was carried out continuously despite the war). And sometimes the introduction of something new is a reduction in production, which is sometimes like death in a war. After the war, there is no longer such a load, and by reducing production, resources can be used to introduce a new one.

Quote from AMG

L. Kurchevsky before the war for several years was engaged in dynamo-reactive guns for almost all types of troops. And as a result, the Red Army during the war did not have a single sample.

Again, the same rake - there was nothing to make shells for them - domestic chemistry could not. What you need to know, but how much, cheaply and efficiently - no. they were not (especially in everything related to radio) - the leaders are the Americans and the British, and the USSR began and used their experience from the beginning of the war.

[AMG]

Yes, there is a lot of ambition: "cranberries, noodles, sofa" But it is impossible to answer the questions posed. Even in the presentation, some kind of mess, everything is tops. About hydraulics and POISOT are silent, but they reached chemistry. Why spend people's money if it doesn't work? And why "Katyusha" fired with the same chemistry. Apparently less than 30 years old. We read little, we do not know how to analyze. We collect comments. Now, for general development, a quote about a German "backward" radio company: "During the war, Telefunken became the leading German company in the production of communications equipment, radar equipment, and other wireless radio devices. In addition, a number of systems for pointing samples of controlled weapons (air bombs and missiles): Kehl I (Fritz X), Kehl III (Hs 293), Kehl IV (Fritz X/Hs 293), Brigg, Walzenbrigg, Fregatte, etc.[2]

[AMG]

Wow, 05:50! What is this, Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk?

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

Apparently less than 30 years old.

Thanks for the compliment...
Apart from reading, there is also practice.

[mat-vey]

Quote from AMG

And why "Katyusha" fired with the same chemistry.

Probably because there was another ..

Quote from AMG

Now, for general development, a quote about the German "backward"

You seem to have already stooped to a primitive lie - where was it about "primitive"? find

Quote from AMG

Even in the presentation, some kind of mess, everything is tops.

Do you need those descriptions, production technology? Well then, can you show an example yourself - tell us what was used in the KS-19, then what was not used before in the anti-aircraft artillery of the USSR, but was used in FlaK 18/36/37?. And then you have some common phrases.
And about radars ... who better than inventors to be in front ... And no one could compete with the US industry during the war years ..
"About hydraulics and POISOT is silent" - well, you know how to read ... and analyze - read the comment, analyze about (there are names) and there are a lot of details on the Internet, up to instructions .. Or do you think that in chats you need to arrange multi-page chewing? So this may well pass for a flood ...

[AMG]

Really more than 30? And I thought ... So Omsk or Tomsk? And how is the practice? Did you even have to serve in the army? Yes, it's the same chemistry, maybe it's different. And what does it have to do with the activities of L. Kurchevsky? In a word, in a word .. After all, it is not customary to unpack in chats. And also about night vision devices (although there was no mention of them). And also the index of the ship's gun mount, mechanized and automated, developed before the war. What ship was she on? And the "primitive" lie about the Telefunken company, a well-known company, was taken from Wikipedia, to which you all strive to send if you don't know simple answers. And then everything is a flood, a flood ...

[mat-vey]

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Wikipedia, to which you all strive to send

Come on, on the basis of what analysis did you reveal it? Based on the same thing as if the most advanced, then immediately backward?

Quote from AMG

And what does it have to do with the activities of L. Kurchevsky?

Will you understand? Can you analyze it? Maybe something else to read?

Quote from AMG

And the "primitive" lie about the Telefunken company

You don't play cards?

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And how is the practice?

Which one are you interested in? Production or design?

[AMG]

Any. And what is even a design one? What are we designing? So far I see only weaving, but it doesn’t work well. No answer to a specific question, no numbers, no dates. Does the designer not know about the Telefunken company? A shame! Aren't you tired of talking nonsense?

[mat-vey]

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Any. And what is even a design one? What are we designing? So far I see only weaving, but it doesn’t work well. No answer to a specific question, no numbers, no dates. Does the designer not know about the Telefunken company? A shame! Aren't you tired of talking nonsense?

Everything, everything, the whole war was persuaded by Soviet scientists and designers, they sat and waited for the war to end and it would be possible to finally start studying German technology ... And they didn’t touch Lend-Lease at all - as much as possible, but what if it turns out to be cooler than German and the USSR will gain experience more advanced than in "Telefunken"...

[stankow]

The pinnacle of development ZA 152 mm anti-aircraft gun KM-52. For a long time I did not believe that such a thing exists. But she was. Two batteries.

[75 Sergey]

Why wait for the end of the war? There are plenty of these anti-aircraft guns near Moscow left, over there in our village it was lying around until the mid-80s, why was it necessary to wait for the end ?! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

Leader_Barmaleev (Sergey) Today, 13:00 New
+14

During the Second World War, the Germans had a remarkable in all respects 88-mm FlaK 18/36/37 anti-aircraft gun (the numbers are modifications) - the famous Aht-aht. It was considered anti-aircraft, but was used both as an anti-tank and as an assault. When the war ended, our gunsmiths unrolled this cannon and took all the most advanced from the design and increased the caliber to 100 mm. made KS-19.

The Germans had anti-aircraft guns 105mm anti-aircraft guns 10.5 cm FlaK 38 and 39, which were purchased from the Germans before the war. One division operated in the Moscow air defense system.
They were electrically driven and could interface with a gun-guided radar.
By the way, we also bought 88mm anti-aircraft guns from the Germans before the war, just for study.
But in general, before the war, we bought from the Germans for review almost all samples of modern land and aviation weapons at that time.

[poquello]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

The Germans had anti-aircraft guns 105mm anti-aircraft guns 10.5 cm FlaK

the Germans have everything flak, our anti-aircraft guns captured by the Germans were also called flak,
ks-12 sample of 39 were made on the basis of Rheinmetal with further refinement of the design, in 44 they went ks-18 with a longer barrel and a large charge, from what future suddenly "to the screw" for ks-19 it's not clear to me at all

[mat-vey]

Quote: poquello

from what future suddenly "to the screw" for ks-19 it's not clear to me at all

Moreover, albeit at first "based on Rheinmetal", but still, since 1931 they began to make their own. And moreover, in their caliber 76,2 mm, and not in German 75,0 mm.

[your vsr 66-67]

So khokhly like destroy everything Soviet and Russian, change the name, generally get rid of the heritage. And what about Soviet weapons? Or is it different and everyone misunderstood the joke? Here is the corrupt people!

[Rumata]

IMHO. Anti-aircraft and especially aircraft guns are very good for urban battles. The rate of fire rules.

[Alf]

Quote: Rumata

The rate of fire rules.

As well as weight and dimensions ...

[tralflot1832]

I look at us with the help of Lancets, purposefully knocking out the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And then they probably don’t show everything. I hope the Poles are in Crabs.

[Nexcom]

Maybe so ... We need to check - if their press writes about the 200s and the funeral at the special cemetery after ours lance the next Crab - then yes, with a high probability there were Poles

[Beagle]

Well...to be expected. After all, we are also withdrawing the T-55 from long-term storage .. After all, no one is embarrassed by the use of Maxim machine guns and anti-tank rifles. So everything is fine here. Good, modern technology can be saved.

[Aviator_]

now they will be applied from closed positions and direct fire

Now the process of tombing will go faster. And about the 1962 shells. I have repeatedly written here that in 1997 I used 1946 rifle cartridges on a ballistic stand. And a few % of them gave increased muzzle velocity due to the aging of gunpowder. So the Sumerians don’t need the old tables of firing from the KS-19 now, the projectile will fly anywhere.

[Nexcom]

... it would be better if the "big badabum" (c) did the projectile right in the barrel without flying anywhere. It would be

PS Of course, I’m not art, but even I can’t imagine how it is from a closed position and direct fire to figure it out ???? Is this a sharovar new method?? Through shelters and buildings????

[Peter1First]

So that's the whole point - the gun is not intended for long-range horizontal shooting, the center of mass is high, the ammunition seems to be unitary, so it is dangerous to use old ones with stale gunpowder. Of course, she will shoot into the distance, but there is no need to talk about accuracy, and hardly anyone will drive up to such a fool for a direct shot - they will notice this scarecrow a mile away!

[Leader_Barmaleev]

My ironic friends, before jumping with delight about VERY OLD shells, you at least google the nomenclature of the NEW 100 mm. shells used in the armies of European states and NATO countries. Shapkozakidatelstvo and complacency always crawls sideways.

[Nexcom]

Will these new 100mm ammunition fit such an ancient installation?
And the trunks will not blow apart after a couple of shots - time does not spare anyone, the old will not become new.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

The KS-19 had almost unfired barrels - these anti-aircraft guns were supposed to be used against heavy bombers flying at high altitudes, so very powerful charges and high-explosive fragmentation shells with a large area of ​​​​destruction were used. But it was at the very moment when these systems were put into service that more promising missile systems began to be used, and the KaEskis were put in storage, well, they were used in parades - very textured guns. So the barrels are practically new and the shells suitable for them are a hell of a lot more, especially anti tank - there both the size of the unitary cartridge and the size of the welt - everything is the same. The only hitch is sighting devices, but drawing a correction table is a matter of a couple of hours and a dozen shots.

[Repellent]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

the barrels are practically new and the shells suitable for them are fucking and more

If possible, a little more about the "shells suitable for them." "Any caliber of 100 millimeters" - do not offer, 100 mm is not 220 volts even once, they are different ...

[Leader_Barmaleev]

If possible, a little more about the "shells suitable for them."

Can. If you have not been banned in Google, then look at the brand of shot 3UBK10-1, 3UBK10M-1 and 3UBK23-1 under the type of shells 9M117, 9M117M and 9M117M1 - this is what is still being produced since 1980, and then look in the same Google ANALOGUES foreign to this type of charges and shells. You will be surprised that just over a hundred modern products are EXACTLY suitable for KS-19. Good luck in finding.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

If you have not been banned in Google, then look at the brand of shot 3UBK10-1, 3UBK10M-1 and 3UBK23-1 under the type of shells 9M117, 9M117M and 9M117M1

Are you seriously going to shoot from a rifled barrel with shells intended for a smoothbore gun?

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Before objecting to people who know exactly what's what, they would read the specification for the KS-19 - I copied these brands of shells from it and not from my head. By the way, at the same time ask about the compatibility of ammunition for smoothbore and rifled barrels - oh, and be surprised.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

take an interest in the compatibility of ammunition for smoothbore and rifled barrels - oh, and be surprised.

I’m really surprised ... I’m not talking about the difference in size - they have a different principle for imparting rotation for stabilization in flight. Rifles have twisting in rifling, and in smooth trunks all kinds of plumage, with the exception of sub-caliber ..

[AMG]

But are shots from D19T and MT-10 suitable for KS-12?

[mat-vey]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

you at least google the range of NEW 100 mm. shells used in the armies of European states and NATO countries.

Well, you can adjust the propellant charge ... but what about the geometry?

[1 z1]

I wonder if old shells can be reloaded?

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Usually, old shells are reloaded in the conditions of the most acute shell shortage for unique weapons, which are only suitable for some unique type of shells. Well, this is done only in the conditions of equipped production - this cannot be done on the knee. With regard to the KS-19, nothing needs to be reloaded, it is full of modern ammunition.

[AMG]

Modern ammunition used in what guns?

[Pavel57]

More effective than 100mm guns in tanks and SUs. T-55 can be found in Romania.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Pavel57

More effective than 100mm guns in tanks and SUs. T-55 can be found in Romania.

We will still see T-55 from Romania in Ukraine ....

[Ezekiel 25-17]

I'm wondering: do they have forty-five left?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

I'm wondering: do they have forty-five left?

I don’t know about them, but we also have carts in our warehouses.

[Gunner]

The Nazis recently wrote that they were recaptured from the RF Armed Forces, there is even a video on YouTube. The bestial nation is slanderous, thieving and envious, therefore the de-Ukrainization of Ukraine must go on until all goals are achieved.

[Aviator_]

The Nazis recently wrote that they recaptured them from the RF Armed Forces, there is even a video on YouTube

Well, there are a lot of things written on the fences. Youtube is the same fence, but more modern. The Sumerians, of course, have captured weapons from the bad memory (until 1993) of the Taman court division, but they could not take the KS-19 from us. Although, if they dug up the sea, then they probably dug under our storage base.

[rocket757]

a certain amount of ammunition for the KS-19 was still left in the warehouses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although the shells were made back in 1962.

. I see... charge it and scatter in different directions!

[geologist]

The weapon is very insidious for the unprepared. I was carrying a load of 200 from the collection due to the fault of this gun, which cracked the skull of my classmate.

[Codett]

It is difficult to say in what junk state it is, Very bulky guns with low mobility, although with a decent range and the shells are old, but it depends on how they will be used, of course, these anti-aircraft guns have the ability to harm.

[Vlad2012]

I can imagine the faces of Ukrainians who, instead of divisional 122-mm D-30 howitzers weighing three tons, will receive 100-mm anti-aircraft guns weighing nine and a half tons.

[Kok_Ivanov]

[/ quote] Ukrainian artillerymen conducted training firing from KS-19 anti-aircraft guns, it is not known from what bins pulled out. [quote]

From the same ones where the T-54 came from ...
It is known from some of the Soviet.
The USSR is no longer there for more than three dozen, and the bins will not be taken away. In the country was!
Judging by the dismissive tone, the author is sure that the RF Armed Forces fight exclusively with blasters ...

[AlexWar]

There is nothing to shoot with, everything that can shoot and for which there is ammunition is used. The point here is not that they decided that they have the same shell hunger as ours.

[Kok_Ivanov]

Not true.
Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu said that we do not have any hunger.
And he was talking about stairs...
No need for this here

[Tim666]

Quote: Popandos

and walls of cylinder liners of engines

And you don’t happen to confuse honing with chrome plating, these processes are completely different from the word.

He doesn’t confuse, in Soviet times, amateur motorcycle racers, for example, chrome-plated the cylinders themselves, now nickel-plating is in use in small-capacity engines, but the lazy did not hear about chrome-plating of trunks like current.

[Mazunga]

ours with D-1 are naughty, what's the difference from what to shoot the main thing is knocking down and okay

[zenion]

And sho, when the agreement of the three countries was signed, the Russian genius allowed the Ukrainian chief to use weapons at any desire. And he hid under a rock.

[Chervony Biker]

My Grandfather, having fought the whole war on 37mm MZA in the 4th Guards Tank Kantemirovskiy, after the war he served as a battalion commander on these "hundred parts"
First in Karl-Marx-State (Chemnitz), and then in the White Church near Kiev.
He raved about this system. Together with the gun guidance station, it was almost a "wonder weapon".
But of course, time does not stand still even with a shooting ceiling of 12 km. as anti-aircraft guns, they could no longer get U2.
But if they are allowed to make at least a few volleys, there is nothing to rejoice at.
No one will change their trunks.
This is an object air defense weapon, powerful and heavy, because you can’t move it around positions in the swamp ..
The fact that Bandera is still alive is, of course, an omission ...
But the fact that these ghouls began to drag antiques to the troops is a good sign.

[Yaroslav the Wise]

It is likely that these KS-19s were delivered to Ukraine by some country. The same Cuba could sell these anti-aircraft guns, say, to Poland or Slovakia. And those, in turn, to transfer to Ukraine. It was not for nothing that one of the most desperate (or desperate) from the Democrats drove his plane around all countries in search of old Soviet weapons and ammunition for them. Well, we found KS-19