Ukrainian expert: Armed forces of Ukraine will retreat beyond the Dnieper in the event of the fall of Avdiivka and Artemovsk

The Ukrainian army may have to retreat beyond the Dnieper after the fall of the settlements of Avdeevka and Artemovsk (Bakhmut). This was stated by Ukrainian expert, former adviser to the ex-President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma Oleg Soskin.

On his YouTube channel, a former Ukrainian official noted that the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Avdiivka is rapidly approaching critical, similar to the one in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are located in Artemivsk. Soskin predicted that the Russian army would be able to break through the front and go straight to the Dnieper, which would create a threat to Ukrainian sovereignty.

Earlier, a former American intelligence officer, Tony Shaffer, said that the units of the Ukrainian army, intended to form and subsequently hold the second and third lines of defense, have now been "ground" in the Artemivsk area, therefore, after the settlement passes under the control of the Russian army, a large-scale retreat of the Ukrainian army will begin until the Dnieper itself.

According to the American ex-intelligence officer, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to win either in Artemovsk or in the protracted armed conflict in general, if Kyiv is not provided with direct support from the armed forces of the United States and other NATO countries. The specialist stressed that, despite the fact that such a forecast is extremely inconvenient for the US authorities, it is based on the available facts and is the most likely.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

Oh well? They will resist to the last. The events of the last year have clearly shown that they will not just retreat

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

If there is such an opportunity. If, after the retreat, it is possible to gain a foothold in new positions. So far, even the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not departed from Artemovsk. It's too early to predict anything.

[Egeny]

It's too early to predict anything.

Quite right, Ivan, early. Again, attempts began to persuade Putin to negotiate, well, the self-satisfied Xi blurted out something about 12 points and dumped it, but yesterday Luka, in his own manner, pretended to be a peacemaker, saying that enough war and it's time for the table. Poland and Hungary are already ready to send peacekeepers to the western outskirts and in this situation to talk about the rollback of the Armed Forces of Ukraine beyond the Dnieper?
We have been ironing Artyomovsk, Avdeevka and Maryinka for a year, and behind them Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are also probably well fortified. And how long will it take to break them down?
But it’s interesting if Poland sends troops to Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi ... that is, it starts dividing the territory, what will we do? This is not a line of contact, shall we swallow rudeness?

[Denis812]

Excuse me, but will Poland introduce whom?
If a certain peacekeeping contingent, then it must be approved by the UN Security Council.
What will not happen, because there is the Russian Federation and China.
If this approval is not available, then any "contingents" are simply mercenaries who are a legitimate target on the territory of Ukraine.
And I hope that the leadership of the Russian Federation will have the courage to hit them so that their shorts fly to Warsaw.
If this is done, it could lead to World War 3, yes.
But if this is not done, then this will 100% lead to it, since the Poles and others will not be limited to the occupation of Lvov, they will go to the Dnieper and enter the units with which we are now fighting.

They must be driven, I apologize for the expression, with a pissing rag in the face.

PS: with all this - I live in Poland and love this country. Country and people is not the same as "state"

[Egeny]

Denis, hi. I'm not talking about the Polish "peacekeepers" and the approval of the UN, I mean the Polish army. Duda kissed the clown in the Rada passionately, so really the bloody Zelya will not ask for help from the "big brother" and the occupation of the western outskirts will be a settled matter. Moreover, some laws are already on the signature. Then I very much doubt that "the leadership of the Russian Federation will have the courage to hit them." Our generals do not have the courage to destroy Western equipment at the entry point. Something like that. And the fact that you live in Poland is your choice.

[Murmur 55]

dmi.pris 1 , yes, it looks like the "lullaby" is lulled (censored) vigilance before the throw.

[Terenin]

as a result of which a threat to Ukrainian sovereignty will be created.

How can there be a threat to something that has not been in Ukraine for a long time?

[Rumata]

Quote: Terenin

as a result of which a threat to Ukrainian sovereignty will be created.

How can there be a threat to something that has not been in Ukraine for a long time?

removed from the tongue.

[bayard]

Quote: Murmur 55

seems to lull (censorship) vigilance before the throw.

Most likely just like that. Behind Artyomovsk there is a powerful line of fortifications based on fortified areas in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, they have been preparing for this for 9 years. About exorbitant losses is also unconvincing - at the moment the total number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other power structures is about a million.
But there is another explanation for these strange statements - the United States and NATO are running out of steam, their financial system is collapsing, social tension in these countries is going through the roof ... and there is no chance for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to win.
Some time ago, attempts were resumed to agree on the division of Ukraine along the Dnieper. And almost simultaneously at the same time that:
- ready to enter into / on peacekeeping troops,
- about the need to bring the armed forces of the United States and NATO into the conflict,
- about the impossibility of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to resist after the fall of Artemovsk and Avdiivka, and the inevitable retreat beyond the Dnieper,
- a lot of reports appeared about the readiness of American troops and carrier-based aircraft "to engage in battle with rusty Russian MiGs and Su" .
The US needs a breather. They need to try to pull China away from Russia, try to restore relations with the Gulf monarchies, they need time to launch their military-industrial complex and promote it to the required productivity ... to mobilize Poland, but most importantly, to organize a respite for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, their regrouping, rearmament, arranging...
They can only have one attempt to attack.
And only with the goal, in case of success, to impose a truce on Russia.
Nuclear war could happen as early as this summer if the pissed-off bankrupts and perverts of the West do not slaughter their sturgeon. And they will not curtail their participation in the war in Ukraine.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

They will rush, only the heels will sparkle))) Today I read from them that 'Terrible figures were cited in The Times chart. They compared UN data on Ukrainian demographics for 2021 and 2023. Judging by this table, the younger generation of 20-year-old boys and girls is disappearing in Ukraine. If there were 21 thousand guys of this age in 200, now they are around 70 thousand. The number of girls, respectively, has fallen from 200 thousand to 50 thousand. Do you understand what this means ??? Against the backdrop of a total decline in the birth rate and high mortality / death at the front, we got into the meat grinder of the nation.' Started to mature...

[AAK]

Unfortunately, our birth rate in recent years is also not ice, and the losses in the NWO are also not small ... But in general, we need to think less about losses on the other side, we need to worry about saving the lives of our soldiers and officers and not about dill " disappearing young generation"...

[Rumata]

Quote: AAK

you need to worry about saving the lives of your soldiers and officers

Right. Why financially stimulate the flight of recruits 17+ from the former UA.
Reduce the huge mob reserve. Adequate, after checking by the FSB, to allow entry into the Russian Federation, the rest, at least to Canada. It's even cheaper than killing them at the front.

[estate]

just won't back down

American chefs can't

[topol717]

Quote from nin

American chefs can't

Zelensky will tell the US, either give a couple of yards of money, or tanks, planes and nuclear weapons, or I retreat.

[Blackbeard]

Zelensky will say to fight to the death, and at the same time he will give soldiers less pennies

[Wolfskin1993]

This was previously offered to them for the Dnieper. Now it is relevant for Zbruch.

[Filibuster]

Better for the Bug and for the Dniester.
___________

[Filibuster]

And where did the powerful Krasny Liman fortified area - Slavyansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkovka - Konstantinovka go?

[Murmur 55]

Filibuster , he is in the same place where he was, it’s just beneficial for someone to sculpt an image, everything is gone from Washington.

[Grits]

Quote: Flibuster

And where did the powerful Krasny Liman fortified area - Slavyansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkovka - Konstantinovka go?

Not going anywhere. Each of them will be stormed in the same way as Artemovsk. There will be no stampede across the Dnieper. Many people forget that the same Russian people are fighting on the other side. With the same mentality and attitude towards war.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Now it's too late for the Dnieper: for the Danube, yes.

[Murmur 55]

Some kind of unhealthy WAVE of "decadent" mood both in the Western press and in some Ukrainian circles, as if right under a cap, reminds a lullaby of a lure.

[Orange Bigg]

They are trying to mislead that supposedly everything is bad for them for the effect of surprise before the offensive.

[Murmur 55]

Orange-Bigg , plus an information strike on us, they say everything was "bad" there, but they still won. We took this course last summer and fall.

[kakvastam]

The Ukrainian command is weak in the knees, "difficult decisions" are not up to them.
So do not wait for "goodwill gestures" and "peace initiatives", they will fight as before.
Yes, and it is strange to talk about flight when a shock fist is being prepared for an offensive.

[dump22]

Ukrainian expert, former adviser to the ex-President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma Oleg Soskin.

A man always cuts the truth-womb:
https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20230319/zelenskiy-1858946102.html

MOSCOW, March 19/ Radio Sputnik. Former adviser to the ex-president of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, Oleg Soskin, on his YouTube channel, accused Volodymyr Zelensky of lying.
«
"Your decrees are illegal. What you have done is an unconstitutional act. So, you need to start the impeachment procedure. Or do you not understand and think that you will hide behind this martial law all the time? <...> If you gave your word, Zelensky, then keep him,” Soskin stressed.

https://ria.ru/20230316/zelenskiy-1858417316.html

MOSCOW, March 16 - RIA Novosti. The situation in Ukraine is on the verge of a revolutionary explosion due to the usurpation of power by President Vladimir Zelensky, Oleg Soskin, a former adviser to Leonid Kuchma, said on his YouTube channel.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

What nonsense. From what hangover should they run immediately beyond the Dnieper, if they have three levels of defense? So they will move from one level to another until they are knocked out of each level.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Yes, at least eight levels line up! There is no one to fight. Will 16-year-old boys be kicked out, Zeleugent? Damn fascists...

[Buchenland]

If they have no one to fight, then who is fighting now and at the same time mastering new equipment?

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

And what is the potential in Ukraine today? How many on bayonets and how much can I bet? Let's count.

[HAM]

All this demagoguery is nothing more than preparing public opinion in Europe for the introduction of "peacekeeping forces", or, more simply, NATO forces.
It seems that the tail was firmly pressed. Since there is already an open conversation about intervention ...
They consider it impossible to use nuclear weapons against themselves, so they will become impudent ..... while the former are talking about this, but what can you take from the "ex", chatting and chatting? And it will give analysts a lot ....

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Let the NATO troops be brought in, they will have to drown the smelly island and drive the Nazis of all stripes to the Atlantic ...

[topol717]

Quote: HAM

They consider it impossible to use nuclear weapons against themselves

Where is this said? There is definitely no such thing in our military doctrine.
Just a direct military conflict and a threat from other countries gives the right to use strategic nuclear weapons.

[Mikhail Maslov]

They are already probing the ground, they want to place peacekeepers under the auspices of NATO. I don’t know why our Foreign Ministry and the president are silent. Tough response statements are needed here. essentially a war with NATO.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

Medvedev immediately made a statement about this.

[former soldier]

why our Foreign Ministry and the president are silent. Tough response statements are needed here. And most importantly, make it clear that we will beat

We've already spoken. Now it remains to beat without warning. But within Ukraine.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Former soldier

why our Foreign Ministry and the president are silent. Tough response statements are needed here. And most importantly, make it clear that we will beat

We've already spoken. Now it remains to beat without warning. But within Ukraine.

What about the meaning? Hitting Ukraine is the same as hitting your own territory.
First you need to hit Rzeszow. It's been asking for a long time.

[Alexander Golotov]

Do you propose to hit Poland? Does the nuclear conflict bother you? Are you ready to burn or die from radiation in terrible agony? Personally, I don’t, and even more so I don’t want this for my children, 2 years and 10 months old, who have not yet seen life. The idea of ​​​​the NWO was completely different, to take Ukraine with little blood, like Crimea in 2014. And forgive me, I personally have no desire to burn out from the nucleus together with my family.

[Nord11]

The consent of both sides is required for the deployment of peacekeepers. In the meantime, this is an information shaking of the air ..

[Sevastiec]

One of the sane Ukrainian TG wrote a month ago: "Remember this tweet - if moksha breaks through our defense line Slavyansk - Kramatorsk, they won't even need a million Chinese volunteers."

[Gory]

Finish off the bridges that are needed for the retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and finish off the remnants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank of the Dnieper ...

[former soldier]

Deza some. From the agglomeration Slavyansk-Druzhkovka-Konstantinovka-Ugledar, which is a chain behind Artemovsk, to the Dnieper "as to Shanghai" and strewn with towns there.

[nemo9]

They won’t back down, they’re too brainwashed, and the Americans won’t allow it ... they poured in so much dough !!!

[Nord11]

As I understand it, the victory parade on Red Square is being postponed for technical reasons?

[Alexander Golotov]

And why not immediately to Lviv? Such experts are touching after a year of CBO. These will be just another occupied settlements behind which stands the most powerful fortified defense in the Donbass - Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka, Slavyansk, and God only knows how much we will pick it. Marinka, Bakhmut, Avdeevka, Ugledar, how much are they already taking? And Seversk standing on this line has not even started yet. And this despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing their counteroffensive, and what the outcome will be is not yet clear how and it is not clear where all the same they will hit in full. Although, with their reserves, they can choose 3 and 4 vectors for concentrated strikes and whether our front will burst at the seams ... Therefore, somehow I don’t think at all about the retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the Dnieper. They will not run anywhere, they will stand rooted to the spot to the last, as they are now.

[Danila Rastorguev]

Fortune telling on the coffee grounds ... we already understood that their women don’t want to climb into the trenches with shooters ... there is already a shortage of men who are ready to hold weapons in their hands, judging by the video about the current methods of mobilizing recruits. The destruction of the already existing soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be unpredictably long, and the place of their liquidation, apart from Artemovsk, can be Slavyansk and any other city ... why drape immediately beyond the Dnieper? What is it for whom fundamentally decides?