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Vladimir Vasilyev: theft becomes punishable

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Vladimir Vasilyev, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation and head of the United Russia faction in the State Duma, spoke about the anti-corruption efforts of the government in an interview with “Vesti on Saturday”.

- The new law on control not only for revenues, but also for the expenses of officials reminds of effective anti-corruption campaigns that have been in other countries. How will it work in Russia?

- This is a timely law that is introduced by the president. It will allow us to control the expenses of officials, comparing them with those declarations that have already been compiled for more than one year. Moreover, the gap between the declared income and expenses, if found, is the basis for the official to justify. If he does not substantiate, then the prosecutor goes to court. Rather simplified procedure, it is not necessary to carry out investigations.

- Who is included? Only an official or a wife, children?

- So far we have such an order: official, spouses and minor children. Plus the following types of transactions: land, real estate, securities. While it is limited. We will continue to move, practice is gained. But theft after that becomes punishable, which is very important. And now it often happens that those who are unintelligible in their means violate the law, live clearly above the means they earn.

- Do not hesitate to show it.

- They demonstrate this, do not hesitate to it, moreover, they discredit decent people who feel offended. And we will change this situation. Every citizen can report on who lives beyond their means. Special commissions will be created to review these issues.

- Does the deputies themselves apply it or not?

- Already distributed. And we even go a little further. Lawmakers must go ahead and make high demands on themselves. The point is that mercenary people prone to corruption should not go into parliamentary activity or high-level bureaucracy. Then there will be less theft.

- In the Duma many times the idea was expressed that a symmetrical or asymmetrical response would be prepared to the American initiative on the Magnitsky list. What are your goals?

- There is the idea of ​​a list, when the Americans violated all conceivable and inconceivable rights of citizens, and not on their own territory. There is a whole list of people who did it. There are obvious facts that the whole world has seen, facts of open violence, mockery of prisoners - complete lawlessness. But there is another component. The trouble is that by canceling the Jackson-Vanik amendment, which hindered the development of our relations, the opponents of Russia and the United States reaching a new level of cooperation, which they have been going for so long, trying to link these two amendments, again mark this anti-Russian list an attitude. And Russia cannot but respond to this, because it is interference in our affairs.

- Americans took an amazing paradoxical legal position. We have 60 people that we will not allow in the US, but we will not call them to you - this is the highest secret. Will the Russian list include any names?

- I think this issue is being considered. Works conciliation commission. But the question is that today the United States does not allow our citizens at their discretion. They have this opportunity, and they do not even explain for what reason - they simply do not give a visa. I think many of our citizens have come across this. So this is obviously a politicized action. She does not give anything to anyone except the tension of the relationship. I am convinced that the American business is deeply unhappy from this, as is ours, who would like in the interests of our peoples in times of crisis to rush forward, but they are holding hands.

- The discussion, which was at the Human Rights Council around possible amendments to the law on NGOs, still needs to gain momentum, but it has been reported that United Russia State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fyodorov is still making his own version of the law on mass media and foreign agents . Is this the common position of the United Russia faction?

- We value different opinions, but this is not a position of the faction. And my colleague and I have already talked about this topic. It is clear that this is his personal initiative. We respect the position of our specific deputies, but, I hope, will continue to work with a certain degree of responsibility for this initiative, because it takes time, it is not always productive. Discussion will show what is what actually.

- You just took the post of head of the faction. There is one question at the junction of your past and present interests. The Duma is waiting for a discussion of the law on fans. If you recall the European experience, for example, when the British faced this terrible problem of football hooliganism, one of their measures includes a ban on leaving the country. What rules in the law on fans can appear after all the horrors that we experienced on the eve of the World Cup, which will be in Russia in 2018?

- These horrors did not begin yesterday. The fact that there is a bill today is a good cure for these horrors. You have a correct analogy with the British. They had worse, and they put things in order. And we, by the way, are learning from this, so I am convinced that this bill will be very useful. Why? Because he is actively contributing to the prime minister. Plus, the most modern international experience is used, which yielded results. Brought our fans, which is very interesting. In foreign experience there are so tough measures that our developers are not even ready to present to us yet. This is one moment. The second: our fans - for the most stringent measures, which pleases. Now there is a discussion - and very well - that this has become a tradition.
It is wonderful that such significant laws, concerning a huge number of people, are widely discussed. And thank you for raising this topic. On the Internet there is an opportunity to discuss this. All this will certainly be weighed, and we will adopt a law that will not shock, which will bind hooligans and create conditions for the children, parents, families to go to the stands, so that it really is a holiday of sport.

- Then one particular. You, as a former police colonel-general ... I read interviews of several top officials of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who say that it is not entirely correct that the police are responsible for security at the stadiums. In European countries, as a rule, there are twenty policemen standing during a match, but usually this is the prerogative of the security service of the stadium. Discussions are relevant after bringing blasting, checkers on the last, now notoriously famous match in Khimki with the participation of “Zenith”. Who should be responsible for security during games - the police or security service?

- In the bill, as far as I know, there is the concept of "controller", which was not there before and who will have the right to inspect. We, for example, have become accustomed to this, and most of them gratefully understand that the controller’s work, for example, at the airport, which cuts off all kinds of dangerous objects and inadequate people, is very important.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 27 November 2012 06: 41
    0
    Alas, the analysis of all corrupt officials leads to the conclusion that the EP is the focus of these.
    1. Fox
      Fox 27 November 2012 07: 01
      +6
      yes there, each creature in a pair!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2012 07: 12
      +9
      Quote: Ardent

      Alas, the analysis of all corrupt officials leads to the conclusion that the EP is the focus of these

      Gudkov was deprived of a mandate for doing business, but United Russia has 17 billionaires in deputies and the Federation Council, and not one of them is engaged in business wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 November 2012 08: 49
        0
        Oh, a minus signer from United Russia pretended that it really hurts his eyes. So time has passed, so that you would shut your mouths to people.
        1. Homer
          Homer 27 November 2012 09: 27
          +16
          This Vasiliev for some reason resembles an answering machine: he can talk for hours, but really will not say anything!
          1. Harlin
            Harlin 27 November 2012 10: 39
            +10
            Homer,
            If he cut the truth, he wouldn’t go to the generals, they would have rotted in majors! And without soap, anywhere ...
            1. Jaromir
              Jaromir 27 November 2012 14: 17
              +5
              Yeah, this figure loves to foam soap! Do not grab !!! tongue
    3. PatriotizTAT
      PatriotizTAT 27 November 2012 11: 07
      +6
      And where is his house ... maybe in the Emirates ?!
  2. Normal
    Normal 27 November 2012 07: 01
    +14
    EdRo against theft ... It’s not even funny ... Call the orderlies, United Russia has an acute attack of split personality (what is called paranoia and schizophrenia?)
    1. Homer
      Homer 27 November 2012 09: 31
      +14
      The Edoros promised to fight corruption - that’s how they fight, as long as they do it, but it’s only the first steps, then, in the future, things will get better and only after a hundred years (which, by historical standards, will agree a little, but by astronomical , in general - nothing) the first results will appear! wink
      1. Jaromir
        Jaromir 27 November 2012 14: 23
        +7
        Quote: Homer
        and after only a hundred years

        That is, plan 2020 was successfully modernized into plan 2121 !!! It was difficult to work, but interestingly, the powerful team of united Russia coped with the task as a whole! drinks
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 November 2012 07: 10
    +9
    Who will believe that the government is fighting corruption, how can the government fight itself. a fight with a shadow. who will win
    1. NSG42
      NSG42 27 November 2012 10: 58
      +7
      vladsolo56,
      Everyone in a common cell, and let them sit there until they check everyone (so that they don’t run away), and then, according to their activities, who needs the zone, and who needs to raise agriculture and public buildings (which have collapsed).
  4. smel
    smel 27 November 2012 07: 39
    +9
    Very soft and streamlined formulations on the issue of corruption in the article by Mr. Vasiliev. Apparently, the electorate will have to endure retribution for the servants of the people who even lost the line of sight from the field of vision.
  5. predator.3
    predator.3 27 November 2012 07: 40
    +10
    .... official, spouses and minor children. Plus, the following types of transactions: land, real estate, securities. So far this is limited. We’ll move on, practice is being developed. But theft after that becomes punishable, which is very important ...
    And what prevented you from punishing before, and how will they be punished now? - transfer to another (higher) job? And how will foreign accounts and real estate be checked, and will there be confiscation of the acquired property "beyond the power"? Without confiscation, all this is a filkin letter! fool
    1. Harlin
      Harlin 27 November 2012 10: 42
      +12
      predator.3,
      It is strange that the law is not a word about parents! But the bureaucrats for the most part are pretty young people and their moms live! And who else but mom can be trusted with anything?!.
  6. Joker
    Joker 27 November 2012 07: 45
    +13
    I watched the program on Sunday evening with Solovyov, they examined in detail the law on control over bureaucrats' income and I will tell you that this law is just an ordinary PR, its essence is that the official’s check will be carried out only if he makes a purchase for an amount exceeding his income for 3 of the year, BUT, that his relatives, neighbors, colleagues, must inform that he made this purchase if he buys a Ferrari for himself and no one talks about it, then no one will check. In short, this is nonsense, and not the law, no one bothers these bureaucrats to draw up all the acquisitions on their acquaintances, but they do not fall under this law, only relatives fall. And this is not the whole trick when Russia joined some European organization (I don’t remember the name) one of the conditions for membership is just checking the income-expenditure of officials, which should be carried out by the competent authority every month, so ours decided to accept a type of parody this law, in short, made it easier for him.
    1. smel
      smel 27 November 2012 08: 07
      +3
      As soon as Pushkov got into the advisers and the President's circle, his "Postscript" also turned into soap making. Probably, he will have to part with this program.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 27 November 2012 09: 21
        +4
        Pushkov was a man, watched his postscript, became a United Russia deputy. There is nothing to watch, I stopped watching
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 27 November 2012 08: 11
      +5
      Not with this approach and not with this country.
      The law was written by those against whom it actually should work. Therefore, he will never work.
      Another tale from the cycle "We are fighting corruption and theft."
      Who, tell me, will rush to inform about the purchase of claw tamnados, if they are also raked from them at the buyer's direction?

      In general, everything is held under the slogan "We are not 37".
      Will the neighbor report to the neighbor? Living through a fence in an elite gated community? Sitting in one faction of some thought? Come on...
      Relative rush? Bugaga!

      And, if someone is really respectable "just a citizen" decides to inform, then according to the law he must indicate his name and address. Otherwise, it's anonymous and don't care about her automatically. And I have no doubts what will happen next.

      Was a witness yesterday: at the pedestrian crossing, the car miraculously did not hit the old man. The owner got out of the car, and literally threw him on the sidewalk with obscene comments to his grandfather on the topic "what are you crawling here, you have to sit at home." One peasant and I raised my grandfather, shook it off, decided to run into this subchik, because in general, rudeness did not fit into any framework. The boy pulled the trauma out from under his jacket and very calmly told us: "redneck, calm down." The man turned green, and with some words in a foreign language began to turn out a piece of paving slabs. The cat jumped into the car and dumped. We escorted grandfather home, and then another couple of hours, until they froze, chatted. This Seryoga turned out to be Afghan, with a well-left roof. What I really don't look at the government very lovingly, but I listened to him and realized that I was still that teddy bear. And obviously not far off is the time when such Seryoga are boiling in full.
      By the way, the boy's car was a modest "Bugatti". And he looks 19-20 years old, no more.
      Any law passed by the edr in this country is only useful for the edr. They themselves will not play against themselves, so all these squeals on the topic of struggle are nothing more than body movements on the topic "calm down, cattle."
      1. Joker
        Joker 27 November 2012 08: 27
        +6
        I completely agree, someone else is happy that corruption cases have begun to emerge, but I now think that this is nothing more than a way to at least somehow save my rating, now they will scold a finger and let go. In the same program, the representative of the Accounts Chamber said that over the past 2 years he had transmitted information to the prosecutor's office about 173 cases of corruption, only 2 criminal cases had been opened, and they had given a suspended sentence to the guilty, and here's the fight against corruption. This is all nothing more than a show for the people, in view of the fact that they increased the payment for housing and communal services and will continue to increase it in view of the increase in gas prices to 42 p. per liter over the next 2 years. Some defend Putin and show some kind of statistics, saying that our country’s income is growing, the birth rate is evening out, I’m wondering why, with such rainbow statistics, the life of an ordinary person only worsens, but does not improve?
        1. military
          military 27 November 2012 13: 52
          0
          Quote: Joker
          I’m wondering why, then, with such rainbow statistics, the life of an ordinary person only worsens, but does not improve?

          because in this fucking * face-to-face statistics, His Majesty "the average indicator" reigns ... request
          1 Abramovich + 50 thousand cleaners ... recourse
        2. Cadets
          Cadets 28 November 2012 10: 13
          0
          JokerHere's why! Another example of how the government is fighting corruption (a lot has already been written about Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, suspected of embezzling billions in the Moscow Region and resting from hard work under house arrest). "In the release of the" Special Correspondent "program entitled" Those in Power "Arkady Mamontov spoke about corruption in the state-owned company" Rosagroleasing "under the ex-Minister of Agriculture Elena Skrynnik. According to the authors of the program, in the period from 2001 to 2009, when Skrynnik was the general director companies, 39 billion rubles were stolen.Elena Skrynnik was involved in a criminal scheme to steal budget funds. A group of officials from "Rosagroleasing" arranged fictitious supplies of equipment for distilleries and farms. The budget money allocated for the equipment was transferred by the scammers to the accounts of a British firm selling agricultural machinery. As reported in the program, the money, among other things, went to the accounts of the Bryce-Becker company, the founder of which was Skrynnik. In addition, the money went to the accounts of another company associated with Elena Skrynnik - AgroEuroSoyuz, which was supervised by her brother.
          In 2001-2009, Skrynnik served as the general director of Rosagroleasing, and from 2009 to 2012 she was the minister of agriculture. Skrynnik is currently the president’s assistant for agriculture. http://lenta.ru/news/2012/11/28/skrynnik1/
          1. Cadets
            Cadets 28 November 2012 16: 54
            0
            I will add about the Law: "The Federation Council approved bills on control over the expenses of officials, Interfax reports. In accordance with the new law, officials and their closest relatives will have to account for everything. large one-time purchases, the value of which exceeds family income for three years."http://lenta.ru/news/2012/11/28/sovfed/ There is no need to account for everything else. The law is about nothing, another" dust in the eye "in the murky campaign" as it were to fight against corruption. "
      2. merkel1961
        merkel1961 27 November 2012 12: 25
        +5
        Land, yes, in our city it’s not possible to get to the carriageway without AKM or fittings soon, especially on A-Ovseenko. And Vasiliev is generally muddy, the law on cost control has been spread by the EP for years, but as they gave the go-ahead, it became timely. The country laughs .
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 27 November 2012 08: 28
      +6
      Joker

      Sorry for the opinion, but Vasiliev CALL.
      Watching all his interviews, all the activities in deputies only such an opinion develops. I don’t know what kind of a general he was (although you can see it), but now he is a CALL.
      Quote: Joker
      And this is not the whole trick when Russia joined some European organization (I don’t remember the name) one of the conditions for membership is just checking the income-expenditure of officials, which should be carried out by the competent authority every month, so ours decided to accept a type of parody this law, in short, made it easier for him.

      "Our servants of the people" simply refused to ratify that convention or agreement, because with ratification they would have received a complete kirdyk.
      You are right - PR.
      Yesterday in one of the programs I heard that our people are infected with nihilism, well, we do not believe in the good initiatives of the leadership. They are simply at a loss - they steal and lie at every step, and the people, in the main, are nihilists. Everything is upside down. The same Medvedev, when asked why not make the taxation scale progressive, sincerely replies - early. They cite France as an example - with the rich and the percentage more, he replies - we are not France. I speak briefly, but he has everything "wrapped" in a beautiful, endless, verbiage.
      1. Joker
        Joker 27 November 2012 08: 42
        +2
        Sorry for the opinion, but Vasiliev CALL.

        Nothing to apologize for, I also think so hi
        The same Medvedev, when asked why not make the taxation scale progressive, sincerely replies - early. They cite France as an example - with the rich and the percentage more, he replies - we are not France. I speak briefly, but he has everything "wrapped" in a beautiful, endless, verbiage.

        And you remember how we cried on all channels that they say we are fighting with the rich and we will have a tax on luxury, remember? And where is this tax gone somewhere lol In this matter, you need to learn from France, Germany, there really are taxes so taxes. But our bureaucrats will not allow such a law to pass, who will deprive himself of money.
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 27 November 2012 09: 01
          +9
          Joker
          "The point is that greedy people prone to corruption should not go into parliamentary activity or high-level bureaucracy." These are the words of Vasiliev ...

          But what happens in practice:
          “According to Olga Kozyreva’s lawyer Vasilyeva, house arrest is too harsh a measure of restraint for her client. also lift the ban on visiting pharmacies and other medical institutions, writes "Komsomolskaya Pravda".
          In addition, the defense insists that house arrest deprives Vasilyeva of the opportunity to grow spiritually - to visit theaters, museums and other cultural institutions, since the court forbade her to leave the house for two months and communicate with someone on the Internet, and only allowed her to use the city phone and accept only a lawyer. "Source: dni.ru


          Vasilyeva can safely ... go to x ...
          1. Harlin
            Harlin 27 November 2012 10: 51
            +8
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            they ask the Moscow City Court to allow Vasilyeva to communicate with her parents, visit her 13-room apartment as a housekeeper, cook, do her hair, and also remove the ban on visiting pharmacies and other medical institutions

            It would be interesting to get acquainted with the biography of this great princess, from which communal apartment did she come out? ..
            1. alexng
              alexng 27 November 2012 12: 58
              +2
              What communal? Here Smerdyukov was added to this princess’s vagina. And corruption seems to be mostly sexually transmitted.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 27 November 2012 11: 32
            +5
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            that greedy people prone to corruption should not go into parliamentary activities or high-level bureaucracy. "These are the words of Vasiliev.

            Quote: Z.A.M.
            house arrest deprives Vasiliev of the opportunity to grow spiritually -

            I wonder which of these two is close to the third Vasiliev, or is this fashion for the surname gone?
            Police detained Head of the Department of the Property Department of the Government of Moscow Denis Vasiliev, suspecting him of receiving 223 thousand dollars as a bribe. This was announced on November 26 on the website of the Investigative Committee. The detained official heads the department of contractual relations. He demanded money from a businessman in exchange for an extension of the lease of one of the buildings owned by Moscow. Investigators have already appealed to the court to authorize the arrest of Vasiliev. According to LifeNews, the first to suspect Vasiliev was his own colleagues from the government. Two other persons are also involved in the case: the unemployed Andrei Simonenko and Sergei Nikiforov, who, according to police, is an assistant to the State Duma deputy. For which particular deputy he works is not reported. Both of them have already been arrested by the court. According to ITAR-TASS, Vasiliev was detained at a workplace in the government building of the capital. Symonenko was detained red-handed while he was given part of the bribe in the amount of 100 thousand dollars. According to the police, Vasiliev was previously convicted under article 228 of the Criminal Code (illegal acquisition, storage, transportation, manufacture, processing of narcotic drugs). About what punishment he incurred is not specified. Http://lenta.ru/news/2012/11/26/bribe/
          3. military
            military 27 November 2012 14: 09
            +2
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            Vasilyeva can safely ... go to x ...

            not possible, but necessary ... drinks however, one gets the impression that it is easier for the current government to send its people "to x ..." request
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 27 November 2012 09: 38
          +5
          Quote: Joker
          Joker

          Quote: Joker
          Z.A.M.

          Quote: Joker
          Banshee

          Quote: Joker
          smel

          Oleg, Pavel, Roman, Anton, you basically said everything, I join. But I want to add the following. The United Russia party was created by Putin, he is smart, you will not refuse him. When he realized that his brainchild was ugly, he distanced himself from him, dumping on Medvedev's loyal servant all this dirt. But this is his project, and impunity and theft is a kind of payment for support. Medvedev will continue to play his role, seemingly opposing himself to Putin, creating a kind of background. Nothing will change now, but they actions lead to a dead end, the end of the system they built is not far off. Under the most favorable circumstances for them, they will be able to hold out until the end of Putin's presidential term, changes are necessary, you can not always get up across the stream, human indignation is like water, accumulates for a long time, breaks through quickly and sweeps away everything in its path.
        3. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 27 November 2012 09: 47
          +1
          It may be good that they did not introduce a luxury tax!
          Guaranteed luxury would be a two-room Khrushchev, unlike the mansion on Rublevka!
      2. military
        military 27 November 2012 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Medvedev himself, on the question why not make the taxation scale progressive, sincerely answers - early.

        a similar question - why not even align the dividend tax rate (9%) with the existing income tax rate (13%) recourse
        however ... the authorities stubbornly do not want to notice cunningly * the oppression of laws adopted by it ... request
    4. Bigriver
      Bigriver 27 November 2012 09: 08
      0
      Joker

      - the fact that he made this purchase should be reported by his relatives, neighbors, colleagues, i.e. if he buys a Ferrari for himself and no one talks about it, then no one will check.
      - In short, this is nonsense, not the law, no one bothers these bureaucrats to draw up all acquisitions on their acquaintances, but they do not fall under this law


      - And on the basis of what then is it necessary to check?
      - That is, do you need to add friends to the list? :)
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 27 November 2012 12: 13
        +3
        Nikolai (Baltic), you are absolutely right.

        All these jokes with edrom are made according to the scheme invented for delaputs of all levels. You can’t elect a person to engage in commercial activities - and never will. I copied the constituent documents to my wife / daughter / son / son-in-law and that’s all, I am clean before the law. What, he got less money? Or was his business threshed in another pocket?
        Here the same topic: ep one thing hell is doing. And Putin is not with them now, he has become so clean and beautiful. Dartanyan ... and everyone else is shit.

        Quote: baltika-18
        they can hold out until the end of Putin’s presidency


        Yeah, but only this end will be when? That's it and that ... After eleven years. And there’s something else to come up with. Or someone. Everything in the Bible: Yeltsin gave birth set Putin, Putin set Medvedev, Medvedev ... yes, this one couldn’t deliver anyone. Threads interfered. Therefore, Putin did not clown, sat down on the kingdom and all. The bummer is biblical.

        Quote: baltika-18
        changes are not needed, you can’t always cross the stream, human indignation like water, accumulates for a long time, breaks through quickly and sweeps everything in its path.


        Just about !!! And so Putin is also far from being idiots! They monitor the Internet, arrange polls, as soon as the degree of people's love approaches the mark "Building barricades. Storming the Kremlin" then OP! There are those who urgently need to be exposed! The noise, the stench, the media choke on the abundance of fried facts ... And then they turned off the stove, washed the frying pan, wished us bon appetit and went on to do our own thing.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 27 November 2012 12: 53
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          And so Putin is also far from being idiots! They monitor the Internet, arrange polls, as soon as the degree of people's love approaches the mark "Building barricades. Storming the Kremlin" then OP! There are those who urgently need to be exposed! The noise, the stench, the media choke on the abundance of fried facts ... And there they turned off the stove, washed the frying pan, wished us bon appetite and went on to do our little business.

          I think you're right, Roman. They track public opinion. For this, there is a layer of pawns that you don’t mind sacrificing.
      2. Joker
        Joker 27 November 2012 13: 26
        +2
        - And on the basis of what then is it necessary to check?
        - That is, do you need to add friends to the list? :)

        On the basis of their existing property and conduct such checks every month, just check their accounts, to whom the money is transferred, from whom, check the nearest circle of people, check their accounts. And do it all the time.
        1. Jaromir
          Jaromir 27 November 2012 14: 27
          +6
          Joker,
          Checker will get hold of it! This is how many kickbacks! wassat
        2. Bigriver
          Bigriver 27 November 2012 15: 40
          +2
          Joker
          Based on their existing property and conduct such inspections monthly ...,

          And do it all with hundreds of thousands of officials laughing
          And with the closest circle - it's millions.
          And who will do all this? The Martians? Or will we hire Moldovans?
          Did you watch Sunday Solovyov? Do not you remember how Vasiliev himself formulated the problems?
          I can’t vouch for the verbatim: "We need to clean up several tens of THOUSANDS of officials."
  7. koksalek
    koksalek 27 November 2012 07: 46
    +2
    Well, did anyone get punished? Is stolen returned to the treasury? Only a high-pitched chatter from a high rostrum and ostentatious gestures about alleged violations
  8. smel
    smel 27 November 2012 08: 09
    0
    Oh, Mr. Vasiliev ?! I do not believe in the triumph of justice under the auspices of EdRa
  9. Bigriver
    Bigriver 27 November 2012 09: 12
    0
    Okay, everyone convinced.
    The law is bad, continuous PR, cost control is meaningless, no commissions at the regional level that consider applications of ordinary citizens are required. Prosecutors can also relax :)
    And what to do? Just close the topic?
    Which construct?
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 27 November 2012 09: 31
      +4
      Ordinary people so hate this power, if someone influential commanded the FAS, they would tear this pack to pieces. Ask the members of the election commissions how they are given the task in the elections. Turnout at least 90%, for EP at least 80%, even 60%, the result is unsatisfactory and is punishable. And what does Vasiliev say? that nehai breche, then we got it right
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 27 November 2012 10: 18
        -1
        Valokordin

        And how is 60% the result punished? Share the info, very curious.
        Since I, as a person approximately familiar with the electoral situation in the Far East, infa is different.
        Regional authorities, out of loyal feelings and for earning political points in the federal government, are themselves driving this wave.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 27 November 2012 12: 21
          0
          Quote: BigRiver
          And how is 60% the result punished?


          And how can you punish the party in power? And who, most importantly, will punish her?
          Those who sit in their respective structures? Is it the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party?
          The same incident applies to ANY regional authorities. I don’t know how many opposition representatives are sitting in the Far East, but for us everything is simple: either work in the administration or membership in the opposition. Everything is voluntary.
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 27 November 2012 12: 26
            0
            Banshee

            That is ... not punished?
            :)))
            1. Roman Skomorokhov
              Roman Skomorokhov 27 November 2012 15: 59
              0
              Well, let's answer a bit with patience and see how it ends with Serdyukov and his whore. I am sure at 100% that they will not be anything. Nothing - it is in the sense of conditionally or with a delay in execution.
              And since I am again sure at 100% that Pu and Dame were aware of all the tricks with money in the Moscow Region, I’m ready to put a liter of my most terrible swill on the fact that Pinocchio and Malvina will continue to live on. Well, dad Carlo scares them, he threatens with a finger and that’s all.
              I am sure that they will once again say that it is not 37 a year, that a deadly disease will suddenly appear in Pinocchio (in the malvina too), they will be pitied and forgiven.
              It will be different - put a liter. walnut, cornel, hawthorn ... the list is long.
  10. alexng
    alexng 27 November 2012 09: 23
    +4
    A good half of Russian traffic cops take bribes, and the evil half also takes away the rights.
  11. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 27 November 2012 09: 40
    +1
    Is theft becoming punishable? And who was punished? And, of course, of course, these are real criminals - who stole a bottle in a stall. who took away from work something more expensive than a thousand, therefore they raked ...
    And, excuse me, those whom we thought about did not steal, they cheated a little, so they chided them so softly ...
    And with the fans stricter, stricter! All women and girls - to the gynecologist, and men - to the proctologist! And then they thought, Herods ...
    And by the way, are many Americans breaking into Russia? Many have accounts in Russian banks?
  12. Ares1
    Ares1 27 November 2012 10: 37
    +2
    Especially in terms of the punishment for theft, Serdyukov’s example is typical. It’s like if the general director chastises the warehouse manager for the theft of storekeepers ... And in this situation the storekeepers-switchmen - Vasilyeva (just a pun with the name of the author of the article) and others like her are demonstratively affected. And the general from the warehouse, by and large, with his own. Yes, and other storekeepers an example - no need to go too far, you need to know the measure. Gendir’s pocket is not rubber ...
  13. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 27 November 2012 10: 38
    +6
    snickering, naughty, grandfather of Stalin is not enough, he would have quickly arranged 10-25 year-long weight loss courses for them))))))))))))
  14. 8 company
    8 company 27 November 2012 10: 47
    -10
    It is amusing to see how the faithful Stalinists have joined forces with the faithful liberals to discredit Putin and his efforts to restore order. It is even more funny that the liberals find the strength to periodically go out to street political protests, while the Stalinists do not even have such strength - they all went to virtual appeals to grandfather Stalin, like: "Come back, O almighty Great Leader, and put us in order, and then we ourselves cannot do anything! " lol
    I imagined Novodvorskaya and Wasserman singing an aria: "Putin - w-ho-diiiiii!" And behind the dancers Nemtsov, Sobchak and Mukhin and Starikov are making knees. Class! laughing
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 27 November 2012 14: 00
      +2
      And where is Putin’s desire to put things in order? I don’t see, and by the way, all liberals of Putin supported while he kept Serdyukov in power, otherwise, yes, they criticized him. but here it was supported ...
      1. 8 company
        8 company 27 November 2012 14: 32
        -3
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        all liberals supported Putin


        Uh-huh, they just raged on Bolotnaya with shouts: "Long live Putin, Serdyukov to the Minister of Defense!" I heard somewhere that they even arranged a Sabbath in the church in the name of love for Putin and Serdyukov. But you believe in this and further, you can.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 27 November 2012 15: 38
          0
          In the reform of the Ministry of Defense - they fully supported! They even made us believe that, they say, it is necessary to tighten the nuts harder ...
          There were very few liberals on Bolotnaya, and mainly on the podium, where, however, no one called them ...
          1. 8 company
            8 company 27 November 2012 16: 12
            0
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            In the reform of the Ministry of Defense - they fully supported!


            Is it possible a specific example to confirm your firm conviction? Like, Mr. Nemtsov or some other notorious liberal stated in relation to Serdyukov specifically: "..."

            There were very few liberals on Bolotnaya


            And who was your way there?
  15. sniper
    sniper 27 November 2012 12: 59
    +5
    The law is an empty phrase ... As always, an excuse, such as: We work .... And as they stole, they will steal. Ask: And how then to check? Yes, elementary, all expensive cars are registered, the same with real estate, factories, ships .... From here, and look, the person could justify where he got such goodies - to health, possess it, but if not, then to develop it ... When the real time lights up, he will hand over the true owner ... And I won’t believe in the fact that the security services do not know where their feet grow from, there simply is no social order ...
    1. sniper
      sniper 27 November 2012 14: 46
      +3
      Moreover, in order for these checks to be effective, the newly created structure should conduct them, recruit honest, talented people from the province, protect it as much as possible from possible pressure, give them everything and a little more, but also ask in full ... Only in this way can success be achieved, otherwise everything will come down to another window dress ...
  16. sapulid
    sapulid 27 November 2012 13: 22
    +2
    Populist and not working law. The perfect children of corrupt officials are not covered. The identification system itself is not clear. The types of deals are just ridiculous. Will buy an Airbus or premium yacht and may not report. And what about the works of art in which our "nouveau riches" love to keep money? Maybe let's talk about buying companies? Often, when renting real estate, firms have brands worth billions of dollars ....

    Who prevented you from seriously approaching the development of the law that has been lying around in the State Duma committees since the 90s? Probably the opposition? Maybe "Edinosos" do not have an overwhelming majority in the State Duma? Why is the institution of confiscation of all property of a corrupt official and his family members not being introduced? Why is there no life-long ban on holding positions related to management? Why, in addition to all this, are fines introduced that are IMPOSSIBLE to collect? This means that those who pass such laws need it.
    Is stealing dangerous? Do not make me laugh.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 27 November 2012 14: 13
      0
      sapulid

      - The detection system itself is not clear. The types of deals are just ridiculous. Will buy an Airbus or premium yacht and may not report. And what about the works of art in which our "nouveau riches" love to keep money?

      - Who prevented a serious approach to the development of the law, which has been lying in the committees of the State Duma since the 90s?


      You have not even read what you have an opinion about?
      - What detection system is still needed ??? And where does the "Airbus"?
      ANY person can give information about significant purchases, investments of this or that official. Then a specially created commission works at the regional level. When establishing the fact of significant purchases, investments, participation in commercial enterprises, etc., the case is transferred to the prosecutor's office. The latter is concerned with establishing the degree of discrepancy between the annual declaration of an official and his real "welfare". The difference is withdrawn in favor of the state.
      It is very short and sketchy. Find more for yourself.

      - And what is the Law so good for that second decade lying around so good for?
      In short?

      IMHO, the law has a healthy grain. Now any official will know that he is under the hood of his loyal "friends and associates" in the civil service. And the last one is such a cesspool where everyone strives to substitute everyone.
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 27 November 2012 15: 04
        0
        Are we talking about spending on a certain type of property, which is enshrined in the law? Is Airbus Real Estate? Maybe a security?
        Only for certain types of transactions, this law introduces restrictions.

        Now about the control system. How will this happen? In the EU, control of 5% of officials randomly selected from the total number of officials is an obligatory annual procedure, and the controllers themselves are checked by the state financial security service through constant monitoring. There is an institution of confiscation and deprivation of an official for life to occupy certain positions. And it works.

        You, however, support the stillborn squalor, designed to splurge, while corruption has become the main threat to the sovereignty of the state.

        Do you yourself believe in the effectiveness of self-support?

        Now about ANY person who can report. What do you know about the accounting department of the State Duma, for example? I think you, with all your desire, do not have anything to report. Do you have information about the money of "lobbyists" pushing these or those laws? And if the bribe is given by services, such as a luxurious stay in a hotel?
        Now about the punishment. Where is Gusinsky, Abramovich, Berezovsky, Baturin, Luzhkov, etc.? Maybe Vasiliev was taken into custody?
        The degree of our guilt decreases sharply as we approach the "top".
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 27 November 2012 15: 47
          0
          sapulid
          Are we talking about spending on a certain type of property, which is enshrined in the law? Is Airbus Real Estate? Maybe a security?
          Only for certain types of transactions, this law introduces restrictions.


          Have you read the Law? Me not. But, I listened attentively to Vasiliev at "Sunday evening with Solovyov".
          We can even talk about expensive watches that you personally thought were VERY expensive on the hand of an official of any level. And you have the right to write (give a signal) to an authorized commission.

          For the rest, I understand ... You do not believe. I in your faith can neither refute nor support you. Since I believe that with Vera this is necessary in a completely different department. And here you need to understand and know. But, for this, I do not have the necessary level of competence and my profession is inappropriate :))
          However, I consider it pointless on a reputable site to issue dozens of messages with zero info, but a breakthrough of emotional howls, such as: Stalin! Thieves around! Everything is lost! Plaster cast! The client is leaving !!!
          I’m not about you, as you understand.
  17. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 27 November 2012 13: 54
    -1
    I really liked that, as it turned out, the house in which they took the famous lady in this place is simply not listed! It seems that there is a house, and some more, but according to the documents - it is not! And they will check according to the documents ...
  18. sssrsssr
    sssrsssr 27 November 2012 20: 05
    0
    The strictness of Russian laws is offset by the non-bindingness of their implementation ...
  19. Islam
    Islam 28 November 2012 19: 57
    +2
    Well done Russian good In Kazakhstan, it is also time to take corrupt officials into a hedgehog. And how in Russia to start with ministers.

    The first real steps to combat corruption in the post-Soviet space have begun. Who knows, maybe after 20 years the whole world will take an example from us (it would be great!)