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The total flight time of aviation parts of Ukraine amounted to over eleven thousand hours

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This year aviation about seven hundred flight shifts were completed in parts, which is more than double compared to 2011. The total flying time of aviation units is over eleven thousand hours, ”said the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force, Lieutenant General Yuri Baydak, on November 22, 2012.

The total flight time of aviation parts of Ukraine amounted to over eleven thousand hours


According to him, last year, the total flight time was three times smaller, and the average flight time for a certain crew also almost tripled compared to last year and amounted to about 60 hours.

In total, the average flight time on the crew of the Air Force has increased by a factor of three over the 2011 year and is over 47 hours.

As previously noted by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Dmitry Salamatin, the training of flight personnel in the Air Force is one of the priority tasks in the combat training system of this type of Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The due attention of the leadership of the state, the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff to the resource support of the combat training of aviation of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the measures taken to preserve the prepared flight personnel, gave their positive results.

- The drop in the combat readiness level of aviation units has ceased, and the problem of the outflow of military aviators from the Air Force has practically been removed. According to the analysis of the level of training of aviation units, we can safely say that in combat crews, aviation crews increase the number of both trained and combat-ready aircrews, - said Lieutenant-General Yuri Baidak.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 November 2012 07: 11
    +3
    The kayak can say anything. Brothers Ukrainians will come and according to them it will be possible to conclude whether it is so or not. Our Serdyukov also spoke about successes, but in reality ....... Although Ukraine may have been more fortunate.
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 26 November 2012 07: 12
    -6
    Does Ukraine have any exterminators? They even fly !?
    1. Civil
      Civil 26 November 2012 10: 13
      +1
      tronin.maxim,

      also finish off the Soviet stock of aircraft
      1. Machingver
        Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 23
        -2
        Quote: Civil
        also finish off the Soviet stock of aircraft

        Somewhere wrong?
  3. Krilion
    Krilion 26 November 2012 08: 20
    -7
    what did they fly this watch on? .. on hang gliders or what? .....
  4. valokordin
    valokordin 26 November 2012 08: 46
    +2
    a 60-hour raid is minuscule, the brothers have Soviet planes, and what then, though with military transport aircraft they are more or less normal, and the rest?
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 24
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      though with military transport aircraft they are more or less normal

      In the Russian Air Force and with the BTA is not normal.

      Quote: valokordin
      but other?

      Surplus.
  5. Bykov.
    Bykov. 26 November 2012 09: 51
    +1
    Sadly in fact, not strangers all the same. Déjà vu like in 90 in Russia.
    Let them join together better, otherwise it’s just so shitty, however.
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 24
      -3
      Quote: Bulls.
      Deja Vu as in the 90s in Russia

      Do not flatter yourself.
  6. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 26 November 2012 10: 05
    +7
    Beautiful camouflage at the Ukrainian Air Force.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 26 November 2012 10: 12
      -1
      Quote: Milafon
      Beautiful camouflage at the Ukrainian Air Force.

      This is not camouflage, just the paint on the whole plane was not enough! laughing
    2. Samovar
      Samovar 26 November 2012 10: 31
      0
      I do not understand what he does on our keel does our tricolor?
    3. Michael-rl
      Michael-rl 26 November 2012 10: 36
      +7
      This is the same plane of the Slovak Air Force =)
    4. Cat
      Cat 26 November 2012 10: 42
      +3
      Quote: Milafon

      Beautiful camouflage at the Ukrainian Air Force.

      Yeah, beautiful. Especially the right vertical one, from the outside - well, very successfully camouflaged under the flag of one neighboring state here. Although right now, right for reconnaissance fly =)))
    5. Splin
      Splin 26 November 2012 10: 50
      +4
      Quote: Milafon

      Beautiful camouflage at the Ukrainian Air Force.


      This is a Slovak coloring and their plane.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 26 November 2012 10: 58
        +2
        Slovaks are such Slovaks - they took and slammed the combat color of the Ukrainians! wink
        1. Splin
          Splin 26 November 2012 11: 04
          +4
          Quote: Milafon

          Slovaks are such Slovaks - they took and slammed the combat color of the Ukrainians!

          On the contrary - it will be more true. In general, in the camouflage is similar only a figure.
      2. black_eagle
        black_eagle 26 November 2012 11: 35
        +6
        This will be more correct, by the way, in the background, L-39 in the same color
        1. Splin
          Splin 26 November 2012 11: 49
          +7
          This L-39 received not only a new color. He was given back the possibility of a "light attack aircraft" in suspension and equipment, and the engine received thrust from 1,72 to 1,85 tons.
          1. black_eagle
            black_eagle 26 November 2012 12: 47
            +3
            Well, I’m in the know, next year MiGremont like 5 more should be transferred to the troops, although it’s time to allocate money for completely new cars
            1. Kars
              Kars 26 November 2012 12: 53
              +6
              Quote: black_eagle
              money for brand new cars

              how Romanians on Raptor with Mig 21 will start transplanting right away. The potential for modernization of the Su-27 and Mig-29 is far from exhausted.
              1. Splin
                Splin 26 November 2012 13: 10
                +2
                Quote: Kars

                how romanians on raptors with mig 21 will start transplanting


                In the beginning, they will buy the F-16CX from the Spaniards.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 26 November 2012 13: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Splin
                  In the beginning they will buy from the Spaniards F-16CX

                  The Spaniards began to sell out? They also need to prepare for the battles for Catalonia))) and for 10 years now there has been a bargain for the purchase of the F-16, and now it’s there.
                  Quote: black_eagle
                  oh love you romanians))))))

                  Well, more like Ukraine does not have territorial claims.
              2. black_eagle
                black_eagle 26 November 2012 13: 14
                +3
                Good afternoon! My personal observations, oh love you Romanians))))))
            2. Splin
              Splin 26 November 2012 13: 03
              +3
              Odessa and Chuguev are engaged in sorting the L-39 (by the way, this year, airplanes with an old color — that is, purely training ones — have also slipped from repair slipways).
              And the order for repair and modernization was received by all plants on MiG, Su-24M2 and MR, Su-25 and Su-27. We don’t need new gliders themselves, and we’re installing domestic avionics with radar, we need new engines. Motor Sich is ready to develop an engine with traction in the afterburner mode of 7-8 tons. there would be orders. Once they offered to put them on the J-10s assembled in Odessa. as well as its filling, but did not find agreement with the Chinese.
              1. Machingver
                Machingver 27 November 2012 00: 56
                0
                L-39M1



                Sioux 25M1





                MiG-29MU1



                Su-27





                Su-24MU1, Su-27MU1 ...
          2. Machingver
            Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 05
            0
            Quote: Splin
            This L-39 received not only a new color. He was given back the possibility of a "light attack aircraft" in suspension and equipment, and the engine received thrust from 1,72 to 1,85 tons.








            + + +

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QT3JDor4B9U

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qw46rOYieIs

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QNyXYg-TqP4

    6. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 08
      -3
      MilaPhone,
      Provocateur.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 27 November 2012 14: 01
        +2
        Well, what are you - I am so, loving! feel
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 27 November 2012 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Milafon
          Machingver

          Machingver did not understand the jokes of humor. It happens.)))
        2. Machingver
          Machingver 27 November 2012 19: 36
          -4
          Quote: Milafon
          Slovaks are such Slovaks - they took and slammed the combat color of the Ukrainians!

          The provocateur squared.
  7. Splin
    Splin 26 November 2012 10: 52
    +13
    In general, I do not understand some members of the forum. Either Ukrainian pilots do not fly - it is BAD, then it also sucks. As in a joke: Why wearing a hat? Why no hat? "
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 26
      -1
      Quote: Splin
      Either Ukrainian pilots do not fly - BAD, then they fly too badly.

      The standings, the main thing is that they are not agricultural. The raid is excellent, and not the fact that the worst in the CIS.
  8. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 26 November 2012 10: 54
    +6
    Well done! Development is underway. Or recovery. You can call it that. Many enterprises started spinning. A large number of aircraft was repaired over the year. Pleases us.
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 19
      -2
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      Pleases us.


      GI









  9. columbus2
    columbus2 26 November 2012 12: 02
    +3
    Well, as if some wouldn’t scuffle, but fly, planes are being modernized, repaired on their own. Of course, mostly senior officers fly, but this is good, they’ve preserved the backbone, it will continue. Will live.;)
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 14
      -3
      Quote: columbus2
      Of course, mostly senior officers fly, but this is good, they’ve preserved the backbone, it will continue. Will live.;)


      This year, the foundation has been laid for the increase of combat potential for the wardrobe of a young ice-cream warehouse, which earlier through marriage of the established norms, cannot begin to start fighting for the battle. Significant respect came when preparing when installed, wait a day. Zokrema, about 20 loschikov were taken into account in 2012, the Russian military battles of the type Su-27, MiG-29, Su-25, Su-24, - by the value of Lieutenant General Yury Baidak.

      In the words of the team leader, the introduction of low-cost training and the need to secure the necessary cash for the main type of allowance, 22 drivers can proceed to practical transfer to the main type of equipment. 18 of them have finished rescheduling; 4 of them are promoted; development is entitled. Courses of combat training of industrial families of aviation.

      In addition, the whole range of work was carried out to the robot, which was prepared for the preparation of the instructor's warehouse of aviation parts. The number of instructors in the aviation brigades is significantly reduced. I’ll significantly speed up the process of planning and carrying out the polo, not allowing me to do the preparation with the maximum number of standard units.

      - To the one whose nutrition the Bulo was given respect. Prepared yak instructors have 30 ice cream, of which on the main types of ice: Su-27 - 5 ice cream; MiG-29 - 5 lotschikiv; Su-25 - 1 loafer; L-39 - 19 passengers. Also, rooku was trained and updated with the skills for meteorological services ponad of a hundred commanding officers, for the types of pre-prepared food - for a hundred and fifty commanding officers, - having voted for Lieutenant General Yury Baidak.
  10. MURANO
    MURANO 26 November 2012 12: 10
    +6
    Great news! The country is reborn after orange stagnation and a mess. Tryndezh is over. People are doing things.
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 01: 16
      -1
      Quote: MURANO
      Country object




      Aft section - penultimate.
    2. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 02: 01
      -2
      "We managed to pay for the production of drawings of ventilation and cooling systems for the first six compartments, which were manufactured by the Equator plant for our little money and given to the manufacturer. As a result, the construction of the corvette was not suspended," V. Makhno told reporters at a press conference in the media -center "IPC Sevastopol".

      According to the executive director of the fund, today the construction of the corvette is ahead of schedule, and the state continues financing.

      The Fund for the Revival of the Ukrainian Fleet spent more than 150 thousand hryvnias of charitable funds on its construction, "V. Makhno specified.

      He also said that one of the Sevastopol firms is ready to supply a new artillery complex for the Vladimir Veliky corvette under construction. "For our corvette, a private Sevastopol company manufactures Ukrainian artillery complexes," added V. Makhno.

      According to him, these are not prototypes that are to be tested at the proving grounds, but complexes that are exported to two countries.

      As reported, on May 17, 2011 at the Black Sea Shipyard (Nikolaev), the ceremonial laying of the lead ship "Vladimir the Great" of the "corvette" class of project 58250, which is planned to be transferred to the Ukrainian Navy in 2016, took place.

      The entire series of ships, as planned, will consist of four corvettes. The cost of the first Ukrainian corvette "Vladimir the Great" is 250 million euros. The entire program for the construction of ships of this type will be spent 16,2 billion hryvnia.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQpaUHrDsw&feature=g-all-u
  11. Splin
    Splin 26 November 2012 12: 31
    +4
    Now I'm not afraid of anything. when the minister has Tu-134 "Stealth" He probably even drops bombs ...
    1. black_eagle
      black_eagle 26 November 2012 13: 03
      +2
      If the modification of the Tu-134Sh is easy!)))))
  12. White
    White 26 November 2012 13: 45
    +4
    I live in the Kiev region and I can say that MiG-29 and L-39 flew over the city a lot (in comparison with past years, of course, when I did not see them at all), especially in the summer, I don’t know at all, but I see they took off from Vasilkov ... But there is one caveat, it may very well be that all these flights are only thanks to Euro 2012, there like the EU allocated money for security. Another option was to do it for the elections to raise the army's "spirits".

    In any case, it's good that they fly.

    PS Of course we fly on Soviet technology, but the other is not. But is the Russian air fleet entirely new aircraft.
  13. leon-iv
    leon-iv 26 November 2012 17: 44
    +2
    But is the Russian air fleet entirely new aircraft.
    New ones are being delivered. Here the constant srach goes why not immediately 100500.
    PS and I like the new colors with a gray top and a blue bottom really like Awesome look
  14. -ш-
    -ш- 26 November 2012 18: 47
    +1
    I would use such a garage
    1. Splin
      Splin 26 November 2012 18: 51
      0
      You have a good garage! My neighbor wants to buy an L-29, and it doesn’t have a hangar.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 26 November 2012 20: 18
        0
        Quote: Splin
        My neighbor wants to buy an L-29, and it doesn’t have a hangar.

        This summer, one Kharkov citizen drowned his helicopter in the Crimea. He ate mushrooms, filled them with cognac, and, well, confused the sea with land. laughing
        1. Splin
          Splin 26 November 2012 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: Arkan

          This summer, one Kharkov citizen drowned his helicopter in Crimea.


          These are his personal sexual problems, the main thing is to buy. The decommissioned "Dolphin" is an extra penny for the Ministry of Defense and the people who restore them.
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 26 November 2012 20: 58
            0
            Splin,
            I agree with you.
            1. Splin
              Splin 26 November 2012 21: 11
              +2
              From three planes they collect one - and that’s the thing:
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 26 November 2012 21: 46
                0
                Yeah, and after all, when they all flew ... Our SACC used to prepare helicopter pilots, now they are border guards. There are no turntables even standing up for fun. (((
              2. phantom359
                phantom359 27 November 2012 16: 21
                0
                Splin, In fact, this rubbish has long been time to waste. 39 wherever it went.
                1. Splin
                  Splin 27 November 2012 18: 46
                  +2
                  For private transportation will do! Beautiful plane.


  15. morpex
    morpex 26 November 2012 19: 18
    +5
    Look at Wikipedia. This is especially true for a helluva lot of "smart" members of the forum. Everything is there. The amount, how much it flies, how much in storage, etc. But in general, remember how in the BIBLE: "... before you point out a speck in the eye of a neighbor - get it out of your log ... ".
  16. phantom359
    phantom359 27 November 2012 15: 24
    +4
    Glad for my country. If no one interferes, then the Air Force can be brought to mind. It will install new engines, avionics and OMS, gliders have not yet run back to their resource.
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 27 November 2012 19: 49
      0
      phantom359,
      Then it’s better to put on a new glider. We have almost everything for a fighter, except for a glider and an engine; an engine is not so bad.
      Quote: phantom359
      avionics and OMS, gliders still did not run back their resource.

      And the modernization program is happening - study in the search engines M, M1, MU1, MU2, for Mi-24 - PU and PU2.
      Efficiency growth, for example, in the Su-25M1 is 1,71 times, the Mi-24PU2 is generally the best combat helicopter, including the new Russian gliders. We are waiting for the Su-27MU1.
      Those L-39M - what they wrote above, L-39M1 - a global modernization with a board and training complex BTK-39.
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 28 November 2012 01: 07
        +2
        Machingver, I hope that it will be like that. As for the glider, we are unlikely to succeed, because Antonov Design Bureau specialized in heavy transport vehicles, if everything goes well, they will launch An148 and An70 into production. It’s more difficult for fighters, ARZ is only able to modernize, and not create from scratch. We need a certain backlog for the manufacture of such a complex product as a fighter. L-39, it is desirable to replace with something more modern, for example Yak130. A good machine for training fighter pilots. And, relatively inexpensive.
        1. Machingver
          Machingver 28 November 2012 12: 00
          -2
          Quote: phantom359
          I hope that it will be like that.

          So it is already besides the Su-24.
          Quote: phantom359
          As for the glider, we are unlikely to succeed, because Antonov Design Bureau specialized in heavy transport vehicles, if everything goes well

          We have several powerful aviation institutes, without which PAK FA is born in agony. And a complete aviation complex.
          Quote: phantom359
          they will launch An148 and An70 into production

          148 is already serial, 70 will be.
          Quote: phantom359
          It’s more difficult for fighters, ARZ is only able to modernize, and not create from scratch.

          We have an integrated complex.
          Quote: phantom359
          We need a certain backlog for the manufacture of such a complex product as a fighter

          Well, we also have - missiles, NSI, navigation, radar, OLS, course systems, avionics, electronic warfare, etc. - almost everything. There is an afterburning engine already, but for a light fighter.
          Quote: phantom359
          like a fighter. L-39

          The L-39 has never been and never will be a fighter, but it will imitate to maintain flight skills - saving millions.
          Quote: phantom359
          e.g. Yak130

          Not needed, with the L-39M1 program - we don’t need the Yak-130 and never will. If anything, then then - L-15, the same ours as the worse, more expensive Yak.
          Quote: phantom359
          A good machine for training fighter pilots.

          Yeah, only the Russian Federation will be good at upgrading its L-39 with our equipment to a similar one to ours in Yeysk.
          Quote: phantom359
          And, relatively inexpensive.

          - It is not necessary and will never be with us the Yak-130. Remember this.
          1. Splin
            Splin 28 November 2012 12: 17
            +1
            L-39 is also not eternal. Although the insides, the fuselage still has "metal fatigue" Chinese UBS is also a devil with a snuffbox. The new one is better than the Yak-130, but what next? Although the Chinese no longer offered assembly, as in 2009, but a full-fledged production from Ukrainian components.
            1. phantom359
              phantom359 29 November 2012 00: 36
              0
              Splin, I agree. Another five years and the 39th not only morally, but also physically become obsolete, upgrade it as you like. This is yesterday, but you need to move forward, and not stagnate.
              1. Machingver
                Machingver 29 November 2012 01: 03
                0
                Quote: phantom359
                I agree. Another five years and the 39th not only morally, but also physically become obsolete, upgrade it as you like. This is yesterday, but you need to move forward, and not stagnate.

                15 years of extending the resource, the Russian Federation is on the same path — it is catching up with us.

                “Czech-made combat training aircraft L-39, which remain the main vehicle for training Russian pilots, will be modernized and repaired in the city of Yeysk,” Vyacheslav Boguslaev, chairman of the board of directors of Ukrainian Motor Sich JSC, told reporters.
                “The Minister of Defense of Russia chose Yeysk as a repair center for modernization and refinement of the L-39 combat training aircraft that are popular with us, largely because the engines for these machines are being repaired on the territory of the Russian Federation,” Boguslaev said.
                According to the assessment of the head of Motor Sich, until 2020 the L-39 will be the primary training aircraft for the basic training of Russian pilots. The construction of a modern training complex contributes a lot to this. “On these aircraft, cadets will be taught the basics of flying, including takeoff and landing, as well as the basic elements of aerobatics,” Boguslaev said.
                He also said that the L-39 will receive an upgraded engine of greater power. A prototype aircraft with such an engine has already passed flight tests in Odessa.
                The head of Motor Sich also said that the company had signed a protocol with the Czech side on the supply of the promising Ukrainian AI-222-28 engine for modernized L-159 aircraft, on which expensive American engines are currently installed.
                “Due to the fact that there are expensive American engines, few people buy these aircraft. Our engines are no worse, but they are much cheaper, which will help to sell these planes better, ”concluded Boguslaev.
          2. phantom359
            phantom359 29 November 2012 00: 32
            +1
            Machingver, I know that the L-39 is not a fighter. I draw your attention to punctuation marks. On other issues - to each his own. Nevertheless, I think that cooperation is more profitable for Ukraine, rather than srach with Russia. He spent a lot of time in aviation, so that my point of view is nevertheless closer to the truth. Also a patriot, and I love my country, I only see the enemy in another place, and defeating him (not necessarily in battle) can only be done together.
            1. Machingver
              Machingver 29 November 2012 01: 05
              0
              Quote: phantom359
              Nevertheless, I think that cooperation is more profitable for Ukraine, rather than srach with Russia.

              Well, so we deliver AI-222-25 to the Yak-130, AI-25TLSh to the L-39 - cooperation is already satisfied.
  17. Machingver
    Machingver 27 November 2012 20: 05
    -2
    Program L-39M1




  18. Karish
    Karish 27 November 2012 20: 29
    +1
    According to him, last year, the total flight time was three times smaller, and the average flight time for a certain crew also almost tripled compared to last year and amounted to about 60 hours.

    Those. it used to be 20 hours a year. In general, compared with other countries, how is it? Many or few ?
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 November 2012 20: 35
      0
      Quote: Karish
      . In general, compared with other countries, how is it? Many or few ?

      boast an average raid on Israeli pilots.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 27 November 2012 20: 42
        +2
        According to IISS. Israelis have 180 hours for regulars, 80 for reservists. .. "
        Here are the data for 2012.
        China - 200 hours
        Poland - 100 hours
        Ukraine - 40 hours

        Data for Russia: from 20 to 150 hours.
        1. Kars
          Kars 27 November 2012 20: 52
          +2
          Quote: Alex 241
          China - 200 hours

          the Chinese rule)))))
          We would at least compare with the Poles.
          1. Splin
            Splin 27 November 2012 21: 30
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            I would at least compare with the Poles.

            The fact is that they still count the hours on the simulator. Although modern simulators are not inferior to real machines. We also started to receive domestic copies this year.
            The shooter from Stinger makes 200 launches per year. Also 20 bucks saves on every launch. Israel has cool self-propelled simulators - both experience and resource conservation.
            1. Kars
              Kars 27 November 2012 21: 35
              +2
              Quote: Splin
              The fact is that they still count the hours on the simulator


              Well then, you need to separate it. Simulators are a good thing - but for planes it’s not quite that. For gunners, I agree, but not for pilots.
              1. Splin
                Splin 27 November 2012 21: 41
                +2
                Well, you and I know what sensations there are. This is definitely not a computer simulator, the pilot experiences all the sensations there as on a real fighter.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 27 November 2012 21: 43
                  +1
                  Dan, well, it’s you who got excited, a simulator for developing skills and bringing actions to automaticity, however, he will not replace a real flight.
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 27 November 2012 21: 47
                    +1
                    Of course not. And we have what counts the clock separately on the L-39 and MiG-29. Everything goes in a single osprey. There are such exercises when the simulator is enough.
                2. Kars
                  Kars 27 November 2012 21: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Splin
                  This is definitely not a computer simulator

                  Do we have any? Can I go for a ride?
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 27 November 2012 21: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    ? Maybe go pokatatsa?

                    300 UAH and you are a pilot of the MIG-21!
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                    om-trenazhyore-istrebitelya-mig-21 /
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 27 November 2012 21: 54
                      +1
                      I’ll be in Kiev, I can beat you.)))))))
                      1. Machingver
                        Machingver 27 November 2012 22: 53
                        0
                        Many still write statistics - simulators
        2. Karish
          Karish 27 November 2012 20: 58
          +3
          Hi Sash, one more time. became interested and google (raid)
          The Israeli Air Force is second only to the United States in terms of the number of combat aircraft, but in terms of flight training and combat skills, Israeli pilots are considered the best in the West. Suffice it to say that the annual raid of Israeli pilots reaches 250 hourswhile for NATO pilots this figure does not exceed 180 hours.

          Although 180, too, is somehow not small.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 27 November 2012 21: 04
            +1
            Without any exaggeration, today America can be called the most flying nation in the world, but the level of training of our pilots was inferior to the American. So in terms of raids, the Americans exceeded Soviet pilots by almost half. 200 hours a year for Americans versus 70-100 hours for Soviet pilots. Moreover, the American combat training system itself was more flexible and adapted to the requirements of modern combat than our template and organized one.

            All this was clearly manifested in the local wars of the 60s and 70s, when our flight units, being transferred to help the Allies, had to be equipped with the most trained pilots. Which, moreover, at an accelerated pace, "reached out" to the requirements of modern combat.

            Our military leaders proudly reported to the political leadership about the high level of preparation of our Air Force in these battles, but at the same time they understood that these results in no way reflect the real level of training of the combat units of the Soviet Air Force, which was an order of magnitude lower.

            But even a rather modest Soviet level of pilot training has now become an unattainable dream.

            In 2004, the profession of a pilot in Russia is simply dying. The number of military schools was halved, and the number of graduated pilots was five times.

            But even among those who were able to obtain a pilot’s diploma, only a few became one. So, for example, out of 1500 pilots who graduated from schools from 1995 to 2000, only 1 people were trained at the level 2 - 510 of the class, and 400 in general never (!!!) over the years have risen into the sky. Some pilots have already received the rank of major without ever taking off from the airfield.

            The annual raid fell to 10 - 15 hours a year, which does not even provide a minimum level of flight safety. A pilot, ascending into the sky with such a raid, risks his life every minute, like a racer who went to the Formula 1 race without any preliminary preparation and experience in driving a car.

            If in the 80s pilots received the first class at 27 - 29 years, today this age has moved to 35 - 37 years. At the same time, the average age of discharge to the reserve in the Air Force today rarely exceeds 40 - 42 years. That is, today we spend 12-15 years on preparing one pilot to the first class level, instead of 5-7 years, and such a pilot is in service only 4-6 years instead of 12-15 years. Considering that training one pilot to the first class level, even in Soviet times, when the prices for fuel and other consumables were determined by the state, it cost one million rubles, it is clear that the current situation with the training and service of flight personnel cannot be called anything wretched.

            Today, the United States spends about five years training a pilot, and he has been in service for about 15 years.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 27 November 2012 21: 10
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              Air Force: TIGHTENED CORKSCREW

              Speaking in October 2008 at a graduation in the Krasnodar VVAUL, Deputy Air Force Commander-in-Chief, Lieutenant-General Igor Sadofiev, with pathos said that the troops were already receiving new aircraft, and the tasks for training young pilots set by the commander-in-chief were completed. The young shift of military pilots can look to the future with confidence, since the most difficult stage in the development of Russian military aviation is behind. But to what extent are these statements infused with limitless optimism true?



              Flightless comedies

              If you look closely at the situation prevailing in the Air Force, an unbiased researcher will come to the conclusion that the collapse there took on total, if not irreversible proportions. Today, aviation universities and combat units are no longer able to mass-produce trained military pilots. There is simply no one to train them, because the number of 1st-class pilots in fighter regiments does not exceed 10-15 people per unit! And this is with the most simplified training program in recent years. And for 85% of first-class pilots, their age has exceeded 40 years, and they are on the verge of being fired.
              Especially acute need for squadron commanders: in place of those leaving, there is simply no one to put. Young pilots lack both the necessary level of training, the required flying hours, and the corresponding experience. So it turns out that up to 45% of officers are appointed to these key posts for training and organizing the battle, not meeting the requirements. More than half become komeskami, having the level of pilots of the 2nd, and sometimes even 3rd class.
              It seems that in Russia, the profession of a pilot dies. The number of military schools in 15 years has halved, and the number of graduated pilots - three times. Some rose to the rank of majors and komeskes, without ever taking off from the airfield.
              If in the 80s pilots received 1st grade at 26–29 years, today –– at 35–37. In this case, the average age of discharge in the reserve in the Air Force today is 38–42 years. That is, it takes 1-12 years instead of 15-5 years to train one 7st-class pilot, and he is in service for only 4-5 years instead of 12-15. Preparing one pilot to level 1 in Soviet times cost more than one million rubles. Now expenses have increased significantly. It is clear that the current situation with the training and service of flight personnel is simply disastrous.
              It is estimated that in Russia the number of people who can control an aircraft does not exceed 5 thousand people. Of these, more than half are Air Force officers in reserve. And the replenishment of the personnel reserve is sluggish. The annual release of military pilots is about 300 people, and at best they mastered only the training L-39. And the number of 1st-class pilots in combat units is only 500 people throughout Russia! From the once “flying” country of the world, we are turning into a nation that has lost wings.
              For American pilots, the annual flight time reaches 120-150 hours; for most of our pilots, it has been at the level of 10-10 hours for more than 15 years. A pilot ascending into the sky with such a raid every time risks his life. And if you take into account the high degree of wear and tear of aircraft, which for the most part came into the troops back in the Soviet years, it becomes clear why the number of accidents in the sky does not decrease in Russia.
              Of particular concern is the frequency with which accidents occur in flight schools. And could it be otherwise if the resource of engines and auxiliary power plants has ended on 95% of their aircraft, and only 45% of aircraft and helicopters are operational on-board equipment.
              Not so long ago, Major General Oleg Kolyada, the head of the Air Force’s flight safety service, warned that the Russian Air Force is no longer capable of rapidly deploying aviation forces in the event of a military threat. This with a high degree of probability can lead to a landslide increase in the number of accidents and disasters, the number of which can exceed what was during the military reform of the 60s.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 27 November 2012 21: 13
                +1
                .................................................. ........................
            2. Kars
              Kars 27 November 2012 21: 13
              +2
              Quote: Karish
              became interested and google (raid)

              I also google liked the name of the training aircraft))))
              Grob G-120 is somehow meaningful, especially for Russian speakers.

              I liked the infrastructure, the Arabs for a successful war will have to buy more OTP.
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 27 November 2012 20: 36
      +1
      Hi Sasha, this is a minuscule, in Soviet times, the annual raid should have been at least 140 hours.
  19. Karish
    Karish 27 November 2012 20: 53
    +2
    Quote: Alex 241
    Hi Sasha, this is a minuscule, in Soviet times, the annual raid should have been at least 140 hours

    Sasha. thank.
    But somehow it is not clear. such as the average temperature in the hospital or compared with 1913.
    Ie there was a minuscule. and now just a little.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 27 November 2012 20: 55
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      Of course there are few Sashas, ​​the more the better to maintain skills.
  20. rocketman
    rocketman 27 November 2012 21: 11
    +3
    Quote: valokordin
    and what then, though with military transport aircraft they are more or less normal, and the rest?

    I’m wondering, today I changed from duty and did not notice how it became normal. In a country where at the time of the collapse of the Union there were 3 transport air divisions (1-An12, 2-Il-76), not counting individual regiments, there were TWO Il-76s, about 10 An-26s and a pair of An-24s. This is normal? For five years now, the An-70s have not been completed and cannot be bought. :-(
    Quote: White
    But there is one caveat it may very well be that all these flights are only thanks to Euro 2012, there like the EU allocated money to ensure safety

    They didn’t give a penny. And the hometown did not give. All equipment was restored due to the reduction of other programs. The same with combat training is a priority for fighters. Reshta - fuck ...
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 November 2012 21: 29
      0
      Quote: rocketman
      TWO IL-76 left

      And 20 what are at the airport of Zaporozhye?
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 28 November 2012 01: 11
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        Kars, In Krivoy Rog two aurora without engines and a minimum of equipment. At one time, these machines cannibalized for parts. Back in Melitopol, the storage base should remain.
        1. Kars
          Kars 28 November 2012 11: 19
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          Zaporizhzhya IL at least three years ago were in good condition, I was in the warehouses of a motor sich they were literally a dozen meters from the parking lot. A satellite climbed to watch there another two dozen Mig 25s are nearby.
          1. Splin
            Splin 28 November 2012 11: 43
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            Mig 25 are not far.

            From where is such a miracle? In the USSR there was no MiG-25. Maybe mixed up with the Su-15 or MiG-23? Although maybe they were transferred from Georgia ...
            1. Machingver
              Machingver 28 November 2012 14: 16
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              Quote: Splin
              In the USSR there was no MiG-25

              Well, how is it? ... - I personally managed to.
              Quote: Splin
              Although maybe they were transferred from Georgia ...

              - Fucking ...
              1. Splin
                Splin 28 November 2012 14: 34
                +1
                Machingver,
                And decrypt?
                The thing is with Gorbat that all MiG-25s were transferred to the Trans-Baikal Military District to help the MiG-31s. Although I could be wrong.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 28 November 2012 14: 42
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                  Quote: Splin
                  Maybe mixed up with a Su-15 or MiG-23

                  Do not lie, see for yourself through google satellite - you can confuse silhouette 25 with only 31. It’s easy to find the airport, in the direction of Donetsk.
                  And wika gives 100 Mig 25 in reserve.
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 28 November 2012 15: 14
                    +1
                    Yeah, I see they stand.

                    But they have stars. then in Ukraine they definitely didn’t fly
                  2. Machingver
                    Machingver 28 November 2012 15: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    And wika gives 100 Mig 25 in reserve.

                    On decay
                    1. Splin
                      Splin 28 November 2012 15: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Machingver
                      On decay

                      I found a video here. It turns out they are flying. Look how beautifully the educational version was done!
                      1. Machingver
                        Machingver 28 November 2012 17: 00
                        0
                        Maybe there is a flying 25 - I don't know. The rest - for training a foreign customer and so that the test pilots of the repaired do not lose their skills. In particular, the "news" about the return of the Su-17M4 unit, which was razed by the trolls, is nothing more than the only flight UB near Zaporizhzhi at MiGremont.
                      2. Splin
                        Splin 28 November 2012 17: 07
                        +2
                        There are two of them! Really used as laboratories for testing Ukrainian equipment.

                        Somewhere another photograph is walking with a different tail number.
                2. Machingver
                  Machingver 28 November 2012 15: 15
                  0
                  I personally saw them in the sky on takeoff around 1993
                  1. Machingver
                    Machingver 28 November 2012 20: 19
                    0
                    2005


                    2010




                    last 2010

                    1. Splin
                      Splin 28 November 2012 20: 29
                      +1
                      You see on the video yourself - they are sorted out. Why just do it? Nobody will buy them. This is not the 21st or 23rd. Specific machine. Nogry it will not pull, but she does not need the Arabs And we need a class of high-altitude supersonic bomber? My answer is NO!
                      1. Machingver
                        Machingver 28 November 2012 20: 36
                        0
                        To one place such a bomber with one type of bomb, it is better to let it be less - but more precisely. What sounds in the translation is better to get weaker than to powerfully miss.
                      2. Splin
                        Splin 28 November 2012 20: 47
                        0
                        Why one type of FAB. It can carry almost the entire range of guided weapons as for the Su-24. In today's world, an operator is not needed. Or rather, you can do without it.
                      3. Machingver
                        Machingver 28 November 2012 21: 26
                        0
                        Zhirnenko as something for scrap.
              2. phantom359
                phantom359 29 November 2012 00: 40
                +1
                MachingverI agree with you. In Zaporozhye, a whole regiment, in Kaydaki (Dnieper), also a regiment. (Were).
                1. Machingver
                  Machingver 29 November 2012 01: 07
                  +1
                  phantom359,
                  They were scattered like everywhere - Kiev, Odessa, etc. Large aircraft, impressive, bewitching roar.
                  1. phantom359
                    phantom359 30 November 2012 01: 08
                    +1
                    MachingverYes, handsome, whatever the Americans and the Japs would tell. This is me about the myth with the inscription on Belenko’s plane in the year 76.
  21. Machingver
    Machingver 28 November 2012 15: 14
    0
    Freshly prepared next:

    1. Splin
      Splin 28 November 2012 15: 21
      0
      Without a tail number, it means exactly fresh!
      1. Machingver
        Machingver 28 November 2012 15: 24
        0
        And that week, the Su-25M1, and on the posse - the MiG-29MU1 ...
        1. Splin
          Splin 28 November 2012 15: 36
          0
          Kuzmuk came and began to upgrade tanks, Yezhel came to repair ships
          And civilian Salamatin came - it all began in a complex. The main thing is that Yekhanurov and Gritsenko do not return!
          1. Kars
            Kars 28 November 2012 15: 47
            0
            As for MiG 25, they could also restore a couple of dozen, it would be so convenient to bomb Bucharest from the stratosphere with ordinary (but heat-resistant) bombs without entering the air defense zone of the object.
            Electronics nashpigovat - sweets will be.
            1. Machingver
              Machingver 28 November 2012 16: 52
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              Quote: Kars
              As for the Mig 25, we could also restore a couple of dozen

              What for? Their RF can not pull, like the MiG-31 - with the lack of engines.
              Quote: Kars
              it would be so convenient for them to bomb Bucharest from the stratosphere with conventional (but heat-resistant) bombs without entering the object’s air defense zone.

              - Horrible. We have something to bomb, Bucharest and Co. - we need OTRK.
              Quote: Kars
              Electronics nashpigovat - sweets will be.

              - In the Russian Federation, the MiG-31 is rotting - that's the point. We have a surplus of Su-27s, MiG-25s are not needed.
              1. Kars
                Kars 28 November 2012 21: 41
                0
                Quote: Machingver
                In the Russian Federation, the MiG-31 is getting rotten - period.

                No need to be so categorical
                Quote: Machingver
                We have something to bomb, in Bucharest and Co. - we need OTRK

                One driver is not a hindrance, but \ our Points U will not be finished to Bucharest, and Sapan or whatever it is to wait and wait for, and there are MiG-25s, you can collect 20 out of hundreds, Motor Sich if it repairs engines, even if not theirs , Boguslaev social load))))
                Quote: Machingver
                We have a surplus of Su-27 surplus

                I would not say that it is surplus, but there are no cars like the F-15E analogue at all.
                1. Machingver
                  Machingver 28 November 2012 21: 52
                  0
                  DS (kindergarten) smacks of - you talked to banderlog.
  22. Splin
    Splin 28 November 2012 16: 09
    +1
    It turns out we have so many flying samples.

    And the MIG-21 and MiG-23,25,27 and Su-17
    In general, there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks and berries in the buttocks!
    1. Machingver
      Machingver 28 November 2012 16: 49
      0
      Splin,
      What kind of nonsense? PS ZSU are combat MiG-29, Su-27, Su-25, Su-24, L-39 in the basic and modernized versions. The problem with the Su-24 is whether they think they need to upgrade or not. There is an excess of the required aircraft, an excess must be sold, because then you will have to cut it. In the near future it will be so, after - the transition to MFIs.
      All the rest of the old stuff is put into reserve. We don’t have any MiG-23s in units, they don’t return the Su-17. If they fly, then the repaired invaders, as in the photo, are most likely in Kazakhstan.

      Everything else is the ravings of banderlog trolls.
      1. Splin
        Splin 28 November 2012 17: 02
        0
        Coats of arms on the keels of Kazakhstan too? I am also against rubbish in aviation, but so far they are in good condition (do not rot!). Then it is not surprising that the Ukrainian pilot was shot down in the Libyan sky. The plane is not a passenger car. You won’t be able to change brands right away.
        PS By the way, the Kazakhs do not have the 23rd, only the 27th.
        1. Machingver
          Machingver 28 November 2012 20: 53
          0


          [img] http://spotters.net.ua/file/?id=14956 [/ img]




          1. Splin
            Splin 28 November 2012 21: 10
            0
            That it turns out for the Kazakhs modernize?
            Themselves heard it in operation 2 times cheaper. MiG-29
            1. Machingver
              Machingver 28 November 2012 21: 25
              0
              It seems like not, repair. We have Kazakhs - 23, Su-25, 29, 27

              Quote: Splin
              Themselves heard it in operation 2 times cheaper. MiG-29

              MiG-29 on the soap, MiG-15 in operation!
              1. Splin
                Splin 28 November 2012 21: 36
                0
                Well, do not bend! Here is an addition to the L-39 to increase flight hours would be possible.
                1. Machingver
                  Machingver 28 November 2012 21: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Splin
                  Here is an addition to the L-39 to increase flight hours would be possible.

                  MiG-23 Champions League cost - $ 5000 (when translated according to the technical condition), L-39 - 900.

                  -?

                  The modernization program for L-39 training aircraft offered by the Ukrainian industry for both the Air Force of Ukraine and the Air Force of other countries. The lead contractor of the program is the Odessa Aviaaremservis State Enterprise of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, and the scientific support of the project is carried out by the State Aviation Research Institute.
                  The program involves a wide range of enterprises of the republics. Thus, Arsenal Central Design Bureau supplies the BTK-29 flight simulator complex for modernized aircraft, Motor Sich OJSC, in cooperation with Ivchenko-Progress, modernized AI-25TLSh engine, Novator GP, A-511 aircraft responder and command radio station R-863, "Electronprilad" - the on-board recorder BUR-4-1, Zaporizhzhya SKB ABS - the defendant of the state recognition system "ed.680", etc.
                  The on-board training complex BTK-39 of the modernized L-39M aircraft includes a multifunctional pilot indicator BFI-1 with a working field of 158x88 mm developed by the Aviarm company in Kiev, an indicator on the background of the ILS-39 windshield with a 24 ° field of view of the Kiev Arsenal Design Bureau , a multifunctional instructor indicator BFI-2 with a working field of 210x158 mm developed by the Helium company in Vinnitsa, combat control panel PUBR (TsKB Arsenal), audio-video recording system SAVR-29 (Electronprilad, Kiev), air module Signals MPP-1-2V (Aviakontrol, Kharkov), satellite navigation system SN-3700-03 (SE Orizon-Navigation, Smela) and other systems.
                  The upgraded AI-25TLSh engine has a 10% increased thrust and a twofold reduced throttle response, which improves the maneuverability of the aircraft.
                  The modernized training aircraft L-39M, equipped with a modern information-control field of the cockpit allows for effective training of pilots of the MiG-29, Su-27 fighter planes and Su-25 attack aircraft for combat use - as without using real aviation weapons (in simulation mode), and using weapons. A.F.
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 28 November 2012 21: 57
                    0
                    But it is cheaper than the MiG-29, especially the Su-27. And he, unlike Albatross, can perform more complex maneuvers. I do not speak. that he will replace the L-39, but only complement it. I am generally for a light fighter for our Air Force. But we don’t even have money for the JF-17
                    1. Machingver
                      Machingver 28 November 2012 22: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Splin
                      I am generally for a light fighter for our Air Force.

                      - Middle.
                      Quote: Splin
                      But we don’t even have money for the JF-17

                      Who told you this nonsense? - Do not pay attention to banderlog trolls.
                      Quote: Splin
                      And he, unlike Albatross, can perform more complex maneuvers.

                      On UB will do, as expected. smile
                      1. Splin
                        Splin 28 November 2012 22: 07
                        0
                        Let's just say - for a single engine.
  23. Machingver
    Machingver 28 November 2012 20: 57
    0
    Su-27MU1 - modernized











    1. phantom359
      phantom359 29 November 2012 00: 46
      0
      MachingverHow many are they going to upgrade? (quantity). Passed through Belbek in the summer, no one flies, only tails stick out, near Be12 the Russians flew. Five cars worked on the assembly line. In Kache, too - silence.
      1. Machingver
        Machingver 29 November 2012 01: 11
        +1
        phantom359,
        Fly like crazy. Basically - Kulbakino, Vasilkov, Belbek, Khmelnitsky, Starokonstantinov came to life - more of course with the L-39.
        Fly tightly in blocks after a few weeks - months.
        1. phantom359
          phantom359 30 November 2012 01: 14
          +1
          Machingver, Fly say ett good. Balm for the soul. The main thing is that they would not be cut for fuel and lubricants and spare parts. The last time I watched the Su25 link on aviation day, flew over the city. And so you look to heaven - one import, longing.
  24. Splin
    Splin 30 November 2012 10: 11
    0
    wapkravpptepaotpat