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The artillery unit of the Southern Military District received the first batch of the new Chrysanthemum-S ATGM

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The artillery unit of the Southern Military District received the first batch of the new Chrysanthemum-S ATGM


The artillery unit of the Southern Military District, located on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, received more than 10 of the new Chrysanthem-S missile systems on the tracked chassis as part of the state defense order for the replacement of anti-tank missile systems (ATGW) Sturm.

In the near future, it is planned to fully equip the compound with new ATGMs. Together with them will arrive representatives of the manufacturer, who will help personnel to master the new technology.

ATGM "Chrysanthemum-S" is designed to destroy the modern and promising enemy armored vehicles, equipped with dynamic protection, as well as fortification and engineering structures of the enemy, its surface and low-speed air targets, manpower.

ATGM is the most powerful of all currently existing ground anti-tank complexes. The large effective range of fire in all weather and combat conditions, high firing speed and security make the complex indispensable for conducting both defensive and offensive operations of the Ground Forces.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 26 November 2012 07: 05
    +4
    "Flowerbed" blooms and "smells"!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2012 07: 08
      +6
      Quote: Ardent
      The flowerbed "blooms and" smells "!

      Ardent, well, why mock the authors of the names of the systems, let them sniff at NATO with the subsequent departure to heaven wink
      1. YARY
        YARY 26 November 2012 07: 28
        +1
        Considering the whole spectrum of "Klumba" since the times of the USSR and the number of "allergy sufferers" SyShyA-it remains only to rejoice and "add" fertilizers!
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 26 November 2012 17: 42
          0
          On each machine on 2 rockets? It seems to me a little. Then you have to hide and recharge? It would be necessary to pieces 4-6 at least, because tanks rarely go on the same ...
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 26 November 2012 07: 11
      +2
      Quote: Ardent
      The flowerbed "blooms and" smells "!

      Four colors are not enough! what
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 26 November 2012 10: 07
        +2
        The main thing is that there would be an odd number. wassat
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 26 November 2012 15: 39
      +3
      Chrysanthemum S


      Self-propelled anti-tank missile system
      Combat weight, t 19,4
      Crew. 2
      Developer of KBP OJSC
      Years of operation with 2004
      Type of armor aluminum bulletproof
      weaponry
      Firing range, km 0,4-6
      Missile weapons 15 x ATGM 9M123 / 9M123-2
      engine's type UTD-29
      Engine power, l with. 500
      Speed ​​on the highway, km / h 70
      Cross country speed, km / h 52 (10 afloat)
      Cruising on the highway, km 600
      Type of suspension individual torsion bar
      Fording, m swims


      ATGM 9M123



      Rocket 9М123 has four options:
      9М123 - with a tandem-cumulative warhead and laser-guided guidance;
      9M123-2 - with a tandem-cumulative warhead and guidance over the air;
      9M123F - with thermobaric warhead and laser beam guidance;
      9M123F-2 - with thermobaric warhead and guidance over the air.

      The missile is made according to the normal aerodynamic design with diameter of the warhead 152 mm. In the tail part of the rocket is the rocket rudder drive, which are located in front of the nozzle block and are placed perpendicular to the axis of the nozzles. Missiles are capable of hitting targets at a range of 400 to 5000 meters when guided by a laser beam and from 400 to 6000 meters when guided by radio channel. The speed of the hit ground targets is to 60 km / hair - to 340 km / h. Rocket penetration with a cumulative warhead is from 1100 to 1200 mm.
      1. Kars
        Kars 26 November 2012 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Chrysanthemum S

        the military sometimes such retrograde.
  2. awg75
    awg75 26 November 2012 08: 39
    0
    good news --- Russia needs such a technique !!!
  3. leon-iv
    leon-iv 26 November 2012 08: 54
    +3
    291st artillery brigade: 8 units. 9P140 "Uragan", 36 units. 152mm 2A65 "Msta-B", 6 pcs. 100mm MT-12 "Rapier", 18 pcs. 9P149 "Shturm-S".
  4. Samovar
    Samovar 26 November 2012 10: 17
    0
    The "Chrysanthemum" has one significant drawback - having shot all the missiles, it becomes essentially useless. There is not even a machine gun - an elementary self-defense weapon (at least one PKT). By the way, IT-1 "Dragon" was closed for the same reason.
    1. ikrut
      ikrut 26 November 2012 20: 20
      +1
      Hmm. And in the photo that "Vladyka" posted, I clearly saw the machine gun. Kind of like 7,62. Or is this photo NOT "Chrysanthemum-S"?
      1. sergey69
        sergey69 26 November 2012 20: 54
        +1
        In the first photo, 9K157 complex battery management machine 4P9-123 is designed for:
        combat operations planning and battery management of the Chrysanthemum-S anti-tank complex;
        intelligence day and night in all weather conditions using airborne equipment;
        calculating the parameters of detected targets;
        displaying cartographic information on electronic tablets;
        transferring received data on targets to other units and target allocation of batteries among military vehicles;
        high-precision terrain orientation using on-board navigation devices;
        course plotting for battery cars on an electronic map of the area.

  5. Speedy
    Speedy 26 November 2012 10: 23
    0
    In all brigades, the set is 18 Sturm-S, the number 10 is somehow confusing .. Me and the number 18 is embarrassing (liquid PT line), but 10 ... as if they were not buying with sets, but how many fingers ....
  6. Setrac
    Setrac 26 November 2012 10: 28
    +3
    If it’s completely shitty, then the crew has machine guns, but in general, if the missiles are shot (I’ll pay attention that there are 15 missiles), then the car should not be at the front, but should go down to replenish the ammunition.
    1. Samovar
      Samovar 26 November 2012 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      should not be at the forefront, but should go down to replenish ammunition

      Well, it’s one thing that she should and another thing how it will happen in battle. All the same, it’s better to agree to shoot back with a machine gun from under armor than from an automatic machine gun.
      1. Kars
        Kars 26 November 2012 11: 04
        +4
        Quote: Samovar
        Well, one thing is that she must and another thing is how it will happen in battle

        Then she still needs tank armor. SAM and feather bed.
        To begin with, why did she make rockets with a range of more than 5 km?
        Secondly, it is one of the principles that should not be on the battlefield.
        And storming the trenches in the same ranks with tanks like Ferdinand should not be abandoned either.
        This is all the same ATGM.
        1. Samovar
          Samovar 26 November 2012 11: 09
          0
          Quote: Kars
          This is all the same ATGM.

          But this does not justify the absence of defensive weapons on it.
          1. Kars
            Kars 26 November 2012 11: 18
            +2
            Quote: Samovar
            does not justify

            Why would Chrysanthemum make excuses? To put a machine gun on her so that some kind of indented servant would send her trenches to storm? Or are they chasing after spirits in the bushes?

            On the air defense system, too, do not put machine guns, what now.
            1. Samovar
              Samovar 26 November 2012 11: 29
              0
              Quote: Kars
              Put her a machine gun so that some kind of in-line servant would send her trenches to storm? Or are they chasing after spirits in the bushes?

              The "Akatsia" also has a machine gun, but no one sends it to attack.
              1. Kars
                Kars 26 November 2012 12: 50
                +1
                Quote: Samovar
                Akatsiya also has a machine gun, but no one sends it to attack

                Acacia is a fool. And how often, according to statistics, she used her machine gun in Chechnya or Avganistan. And in retrospect, I don’t remember the machine gun in the early Soviet anti-tank systems, either on a bumblebee or at a competition.
                1. Samovar
                  Samovar 26 November 2012 13: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  I don’t remember the machine gun in the early Soviet anti-tank systems, either on a bumblebee or in a competition.

                  Nevertheless, in the event of the expenditure of missiles, the machine becomes defenseless even against infantry. If the machine gun was not there before, does this mean that it is, in principle, not needed?
                  she is one of the principle that must not be on the battlefield

                  In modern warfare, battle can begin anytime, anywhere, and defensive weapons for these types of armored vehicles will not be out of place.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 26 November 2012 13: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Samovar
                    However, in the event of the expenditure of missiles, the machine becomes defenseless even against infantry

                    She and the missile, in principle, is defenseless against infantry, as it is defenseless against artillery and aircraft
                    Quote: Samovar
                    If the machine gun was not there before, does this mean that it is, in principle, not needed?

                    As I wrote above, in principle, you need
                    Quote: Kars
                    she still needs tank armor. SAM and feather bed

                    Quote: Samovar
                    In modern warfare, battle can begin anytime, anywhere

                    You are not describing a modern battle, but an anti-terrorist operation somewhere in Chechnya.
                    1. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 26 November 2012 14: 04
                      +2
                      She and the missile, in principle, is defenseless against infantry, as it is defenseless against artillery and aircraft
                      And what will the machine gun give her? Such things really need to be covered. And about the turret you need to look at the internal volumes. and sectors.
                      By the way, Chrysanthemum can work on helicopters.
                      And it’s easiest to give her infantry cover on the same BMP-3
                      1. Samovar
                        Samovar 26 November 2012 14: 15
                        0
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        And what will the machine gun give her

                        I apologize for the counter question. hi
                        And what will her absence give her? At least in minimal terms, such a technique should be able to defend itself. But basically, without infantry cover, she has nothing to catch.
                      2. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 26 November 2012 14: 23
                        +3
                        Inafiga she needs him. Whom do you scare 7,62? DRG and mine put and cut off competently. There only infantry will help. And if for example a platoon 2 BMP-3 and 1 Chrysanthemum-C by the way which has thermobaric BP. So if she wags it, then the Machine Gun is not needed. And if the infantry fails, then 7,62 will not help.
                      3. Samovar
                        Samovar 26 November 2012 14: 38
                        0
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        You scare 7,62

                        Well don't like 7,62 you can add a cliff.
                      4. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 26 November 2012 14: 43
                        0
                        Well don't like 7,62 you can add a cliff.
                        Yes, you can screw the triplet. Thus, reducing efficiency in the main area of ​​activity. Most importantly NAFIG need it.
                      5. bask
                        bask 26 November 2012 14: 51
                        0
                        Leon Please tell me ... anti-tank ,, chrysanthemum ,, Southeast Military District. Here it is precisely necessary to twist the trio. We will increase the combat effectiveness against the militants. They have no tanks yet. And the armored vehicles, the enemy’s, must be destroyed. MI-52 ... Armored vehicles are now needed to destroy the firing points of militants and cover the infantry with armor ...
                      6. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 26 November 2012 15: 01
                        +4
                        bask
                        You have a misunderstanding of what is happening in the Caucasus and how to deal with it. What methods and means. A scalpel is needed there (FSB, MVD with VV), and not an ax (MO).
                        Increase combat effectiveness against militants.
                        Than a 100mm high ballistic gun? or 30mm gun? There, a maximum helicopter is needed with the NURS S-8 and the FAB, Mortars and UAVs.
                        PS and if the Hotz Schaub was all severely on the tracks, then the Host is needed. There are also mortar corners and a base of a motor-league.
                      7. bask
                        bask 26 November 2012 15: 15
                        0
                        leon As for the militants, maybe you got excited. But you are right. But I think that they need the BMP-3M troops, self-propelled guns, Vienna ,, and thousands of units, just like the T-90-MS. It’s just necessary 100% rearm, brigades, southeast military district. And there you can wait for the appearance of new armored vehicles. Although, according to the info, everything is not so smooth there ... And there is also a border with China.
                      8. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 26 November 2012 15: 33
                        +1
                        I think they need first of all BMP-3M, self-propelled guns ,, Vienna ,, And in thousands of units
                        Not certainly in that way. I remember my comrade Mechanic, when he was still a steam locomotive, we decided that it was better to wait for Taki Kurganets-25. In the meantime, at the landfills, work out the components of the LMS MTO and so on. That is why we see such "small" deliveries. For example, in the same Southern Military District, they conduct field tests.
                        As in the T-90-MS
                        Well, lope can be repeated Bukovka C in tanks means that the tank is export.
                        And the new T-72B2 slingshot about 2012 is not much worse than that. Especially in the SLA.

                        Until the modernization of enterprises and retraining of personnel is complete, we will not see a lot of new equipment, but it comes with a squeak. For working specialties in our perverted world are unfortunately not so demanded.

                        And there is also a border with China
                        And there is also the Strategic Missile Forces, the SA and the TNW, and the CCP knows about this. And they have more problems with Taiwan.
                      9. Samovar
                        Samovar 26 November 2012 14: 34
                        0
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        And about the turret you need to look at the internal volumes. and sectors

                        Oh, and by the way, such an experience could come in handy. IMHO a good option.
                      10. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 26 November 2012 14: 39
                        0
                        Oh, and by the way, such an experience could come in handy. IMHO a good option.
                        here xs. I just think she doesn’t need him at all.
                    2. Samovar
                      Samovar 26 November 2012 14: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      You are not describing a modern battle, but an anti-terrorist operation somewhere in Chechnya.

                      Those. Do you exclude the possibility of a surprise attack by an adversary from an ambush in a modern war? Let’s say the war in Ossetia, it’s not like the WHO, but our ambushes.
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 26 November 2012 14: 16
                        +1
                        Let’s say the war in Ossetia, it’s not like the WHO, but our ambushes.
                        And if such equipment is followed without infantry escort without covering an armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicle, such a commander needs to go directly to the wall.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 26 November 2012 14: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Samovar
                        Let’s say the war in Ossetia, it’s not like the WHO, but our ambushes.

                        it’s underprivileged, and the Chrysanthemums are not taking advantage of that conflict.
                        And for a modern war, suddenly from ambushes there will not be small arms fire but ATGM or automatic guns of which BRDM or BRM type. Under the small arms Chrysanthemum should not fall in principle. In the avant-garde units it has nothing to do, there will be tanks. And if it goes as part of the leading tank columns, then there’s nothing special to the extra machine gun.
                        Quote: Samovar
                        it seems not WHO

                        With a stretch like.
                      3. Samovar
                        Samovar 26 November 2012 14: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        With a stretch like

                        I agree here.
          2. leon-iv
            leon-iv 26 November 2012 13: 42
            +2
            Why pull a hedgehog on a globe.
            Chrysanthemums are an army reserve. By order of advancing, they shoot out from an ambush and dump.
            This is not a linear division.
        2. viruskvartirus
          viruskvartirus 26 November 2012 13: 33
          +1
          But still, a machine gun would not be amiss ...
          1. Kars
            Kars 26 November 2012 13: 45
            +1
            AGS and MANPADS too. With a crew of two? They’ve got a place there for a machine gun. Except for course. And so it’s necessary to do a module with a machine gun --- with remote control. Also hiding like a PU rocket. Armor is also not good. So it’s better canopy for tracking and speed.
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 26 November 2012 17: 03
              +2
              Quote: leon-iv
              Chrysanthemums are an army reserve. By order of advancing, they shoot out from an ambush and dump

              Guys, maybe all the same this floating equipment is being prepared for the Airborne Forces? While in the field run, then they will take the Shamans.
              It seems that with aluminum closer to the air discharge. Did you miss Al Che?



              In these ranks Chrysanthemum asks.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 26 November 2012 17: 18
                +2
                here xs need to look at the weight characteristics. For the complex itself is never a feather. And by weight in the Airborne Forces special scores)))))
                BUT most likely they will wait for the universal Hermes.
    2. Vasily79
      Vasily79 26 November 2012 10: 45
      0
      Yes, after five such claws you will dig into the ground unless you need outside help wink
      1. Samovar
        Samovar 26 November 2012 10: 59
        +1
        Quote: Vasily79
        Yes, after five of these

        Yeah ... especially after five thermobaric.
        1. Pacifist
          Pacifist 26 November 2012 11: 15
          +1
          After them, if you stay alive, you will remember the distant ancestors of earthworms .... you will begin to dig into the ground with your teeth ...
  7. Pacifist
    Pacifist 26 November 2012 11: 12
    0
    A very decent system. I can't understand one thing. Modern war is built on the principle of "Discovered = dead", this applies to both people and technology. WHY are there no means of reducing thermal and radar signature on all supplied equipment? Okay, old technology, but newly supplied, because there is a "Cape" in its various versions ... sadness. Or they still get it, but they keep it in warehouses, on demand.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 26 November 2012 15: 08
      +3
      As a rule, all of these systems DIRECTLY reduce the engine's life because they upset the heat balance. In peacetime, they are forbidden to set.
  8. Professor
    Professor 26 November 2012 17: 30
    +2