Russian Defense Minister: by the end of 2023, the production of certain types of ammunition in the country will increase by 7-8 times

One of the most important tasks of the domestic defense industry is the timely and complete provision of the military participating in the NMD with all the necessary weapons. In particular, ammunition for artillery, tanks etc.

During today's working trip to the Chelyabinsk and Kirov regions, the head of the Russian Defense Ministry, Sergei Shoigu, inspected the defense industry enterprises that fulfill the state defense order, as the department writes in its TG channel.

The report says that the management of the enterprises reported to the Russian Minister of Defense on the progress of the implementation of the state defense order. The head of the military department also received a report on the measures taken to modernize equipment, expand production capacities and increase labor productivity.

According to the RF Ministry of Defense, the above steps have already made it possible to significantly increase the production of ammunition. At the same time, it is expected that by the end of this year, the output of individual samples of the products of the above-mentioned enterprises will increase by 7-8 times.

It is reported that during his visit to the defense industry plants in the Kirov and Chelyabinsk regions, Sergei Shoigu personally inspected the work of production lines for the production of mortar, tank and artillery shells of various calibers, as well as unguided rockets. At the end of the working visit, the head of the Russian Defense Ministry held a meeting at which tasks were set to further increase the volume of ammunition production.

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[dmi.pris1]

No, it's all wonderful. Yes, BUT. Some types, production 7-8 times. Does this apply to those ammunition that were produced in small batches? So in combat conditions this is not enough.

[Sergey_Brud]

They made 10 pieces a year, they began to make 80 pieces a year. An increase of 8 times. They made 1000 pieces a year, they began to make 2000 pieces a year. The increase is only 2 times. You see the effect of the base. For example, in 2022 I visited the resort twice as many times as in 2021. In total, it was twice, instead of one.

[Aerodrome]

Russian Defense Minister: by the end of 2023, the production of certain types of ammunition in the country will increase by 7-8 times

but if the factories had not been destroyed over the past 20 years, then the production of shells would have increased 700 times. I judge strictly by the region and districts of the Urals. I think the same for the country. "Pyaterochka" instead of factories.

[Elephant]

Yes, and with the workers in the production of the military-industrial complex, serious problems were revealed. According to officials, the shortage is about 400. Thanks to our political elite, the working class has noticeably grown in the country in recent years. The working person has become not held in high esteem, but more managers, lawyers, degrading market elements such as "buy and sell" and all kinds of scammers

[opuonmed]

for 8-5 years already they get good money at the factories! along the way, you are somewhere behind and you will get to the factories of figs where they pay well!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: opuonmed

along the way, you are somewhere behind and you will get to the factories of figs where they pay well!

Yes, such plants are minuscule for a population of 140 million, so you won’t get there.

[bayard]

Quote: Mordvin 3

for a population of 140 million,

Russia has long had more than 150 million people.

[Pravodel]

if factories hadn't been destroyed

This is another "thank you" to the effective managers of the 90s: Chubais and his company ..
When will we give a legal answer to what they have done to the country!!!?

[Orange Bigg]

The right movement has begun. It would be very nice to have a domestic analogue of ammunition such as the American Small Diameter Bomb (SDB).

German Kulikovsky, the author of the military public “Older than Edda”, then pointed out that there were other projects in Russia to turn conventional ammunition into high-precision ones. According to him, we are talking about the development of an aerial bomb based on the Krasnopol guided artillery projectile.

“It will allow you to quickly get a domestic analogue of the American Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) ammunition with little blood, where the 152-mm projectile will play the role of a warhead,” the author believes.

According to him, "a combat aircraft will be able to take two or three dozen of such ammunition, which will dramatically increase the effectiveness of the strike and give a greater range compared to artillery."

https://www.politnavigator.net/rossiya-narashhivaet-primenenie-upravlyaemykh-bomb-na-ukraine.html

[fa2998]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

No, it's all great.

The country has been preparing for a large-scale war for decades, with millions of armies, with NATO itself. Millions of shells were "heaped".
We have been at war for a year, with "dragged" Ukraine, and it's not a war, but a "special operation" and that's it, let's move the factories, give shells, there is a shell famine at the front. Where are the shells? Where is the equipment?

[lopvlad]

Quote: fa2998

We have been fighting for a year, with a "dragged" Ukraine

The military-industrial complex of shabby Ukraine ended last spring, and by this spring the Europeans had completely raked out the warehouses, while in the USA they were half empty

Quote: fa2998

The country has been preparing for a large-scale war for decades, with millions of armies, with NATO itself.

which country was preparing? The USSR stopped preparing with the advent of the labeled one in 85, and not only was it not armed, it was disarmed and sold before the start of the 2008s. Almost until XNUMX, the army and the military-industrial complex of Russia were bent.

[GAF]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Does this apply to those ammunition that were produced in small batches?

Not necessary. In his memoirs, V.G. Grabin writes that from June 1941 to December, the production of divisional guns was tripled at the same facilities of the field artillery plant, due to the competent joint work of designers and technologists. By the summer of 1942, the output increased by more than 10 times. At the same factory. Other artillery factories of the USSR joined them, and as a result, for example, the ZIS-3 produced more than 40 thousand units. shows what can be achieved without bureaucratic delays, which may be necessary in peacetime.

[fif21]

Cap cannot command civilians. Therefore, it is necessary to create a State Corporation for the military-industrial complex working in the interests of the Moscow Region. What will it give ? Saving budgetary funds, the possibility of fully satisfying the needs of the army.

[Vladimir M]

Here's how Shoigu can set tasks for a civilian enterprise "to further increase the volume of ammunition production"? On the basis of what will they increase something? Or is it "the main thing is to crow, and there the grass does not grow"?

[Bad thing]

Rostec has existed for a long time, you can see the result yourself. You can’t do without a cap, and without a revolver under the ribs, too, the handles are too sticky.

[Letun]

Quote: Bad

Rostec has existed for a long time, you can see the result yourself. You can’t do without a cap, and without a revolver under the ribs, too, the handles are too sticky.

And the caps are not really sticky

[Bad thing]

If you are talking about representatives of the customer, then yes, but these, apart from uniforms, have nothing more military.

[Letun]

Quote: Bad

If you are talking about representatives of the customer, then yes, but these, apart from uniforms, have nothing more military.

I'm not talking about the representatives of the customer, I'm talking about those who have a daughter and son-in-law contracts for the state. provides contracts, about those who plundered property from the mob. warehouses and others.
But I have no complaints about the PZ at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex.

[invisible_man]

Saving budgetary funds, the possibility of fully satisfying the needs of the army.

Military-industrial complex enterprises never saved budgetary funds and did not think about the cost of their products. In Soviet times, as much as they asked for, so much they received from the state, there were practically no limits. Precisely "for the sake of the full satisfaction of the needs of the army."

[Konnick]

Military-industrial complex enterprises never saved budgetary funds and did not think about the cost of their products. In Soviet times, as much as they asked for, so much they received from the state, there were practically no limits. Precisely "for the sake of the full satisfaction of the needs of the army."

Especially UralVagonZavod. He became a Rostec monopolist and raised the price tag.

[Andy_nsk]

Therefore, it is necessary to create a State Corporation for the military-industrial complex working in the interests of the Moscow Region. What will it give ? Saving budgetary funds, the possibility of fully satisfying the needs of the army.

State corporation and economy? - these two words do not coexist side by side. I immediately remembered "Rostec" - as an example of extravagance and inertia.

[fif21]

Quote from Andy_nsk

State corporation and economy? - these two words do not coexist side by side.

Do business and economy get along? And unlike you, I worked in a state corporation. Everything depends on the leader. What is the pop, such is the arrival.

[invisible_man]

Everything depends on the leader.

And a lot depends on the technical process (manufacturing procedure) and the availability of the required kit. Otherwise, it may happen that there is no domestic one at all, and foreign one must be purchased at exorbitant prices through a chain of intermediaries. Which are far from serving you for "thank you".

[Alf]

Quote from invisible_man

Everything depends on the leader.

And a lot depends on the technical process (manufacturing procedure) and the availability of the required kit. Otherwise, it may happen that there is no domestic one at all, and foreign one must be purchased at exorbitant prices through a chain of intermediaries. Which are far from serving you for "thank you".

And where and from whom will private traders buy these components? Directly?

[invisible_man]

So it turns out that not everything depends on the chief?

[Alf]

Quote from invisible_man

So it turns out that not everything depends on the chief?

Not all. And that is why you think that the capitalist corporation is more efficient? I don't get the logic.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, in general, state corporations exist. An example is a corporation of tactical missile weapons

[fif21]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Well, in general, state corporations exist. An example is a corporation of tactical missile weapons

Therefore, the cost of our missiles is an order of magnitude, or even more, different from the US one. I'm talking about the fact that a state corporation should work for the Moscow Region, uniting all the production facilities necessary for the Moscow Region. The Navy, Aerospace Forces, Strategic Missile Forces, Ground Forces, Air Defense, Air Defense Forces, National Guard .... And representatives of industries in these areas should be on the board of directors of the State Military-Industrial Complex Corporation.

[Alf]

Quote: fif21

Therefore, the cost of our missiles is an order of magnitude, or even more, different from the US

Just like 10 times? Can you provide numbers to back it up?

[Filibuster]

And the production of modern equipment of the main classes (ships, aircraft, helicopters, tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, MLRS, OTRK, UAVs), missiles, how many times will it increase in the Russian Federation?
If we do not drastically increase the number of guns, the enemies will take oil from us!

[Sergey_Brud]

If you build an aircraft-carrying cruiser, then their number will double in 1 year. No America can keep up with us.

[tralflot1832]

This is what it means that the military-industrial complex is under state control, it starts up from half a poke for the production of ammunition .. Unlike the West, something is always lacking - usually money, an ordinary 155 mm shell without bells and whistles costs $ 3-4 000. TNT.

[Gnefredov]

an ordinary 155 mm shell without bells and whistles costs $ 3-4.

At first, I doubted the figure you cited, mentioning that the cost was 152mm. +/- $500. I ran through the search and it turned out that 155mm. for 777 (this one, the simplest one) now costs 5000-7000 € and you still have to wait
This is a rise in prices, this is a washing machine. Here the loot is not cut, it is packed in containers why they say: to whom is the war, and to whom is the mother dear.
PS Minus you have not mine;)

[spirit]

4000 pieces for 2023 is the latest M1128 mine (artillery shell) with a gas generator, at a 30 km range.

[tralflot1832]

I don’t look at the cons, so they read it, but some of the minuses are already set automatically by Nick. There are no comments.

[Sanvl]

And what prevented you from doing it back in 2014? At least some strategic planning should be inherent in the Leadership of the Country? Some questions and bewilderment in connection with such promptness ...

[Peter1First]

An increase in the number of output is certainly good, but what about the quality, or rather, compliance with modern requirements? We use thousands of shells, which basically plow up the black soil and turn the area into a lunar landscape, while inflicting very limited damage on the enemy, God forbid, one out of a hundred shells hits a trench or a dugout! Where is the progress? It sometimes seems to me that the artillery of the tsarist army was more effective than the modern one - even then the army mastered high-explosive, fragmentation grenades, shrapnel, and buckshot. The fuses even then made it possible to set the response time, according to which experienced gunners were able to smash shrapnel literally over the enemy’s head, or to allow the projectile to burrow into the ground under the foundation of the fortification and only then work, they could shoot from closed positions or direct fire, mortars had already been invented ... - How far have we gone from them now? The only specialized institute of ammunition has long been closed, of the corrected projectiles, perhaps the Krasnopole is bulky and inconvenient, but how much do you hear about air blast fuses? about corrective nozzles? about advanced fire control systems? Even what is in the troops is in very small quantities! Ours boast that they fire 3 times more ammunition per day for the Armed Forces of Ukraine than they do for us, but they forget to clarify that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and artillery are more accurate and long-range, and fire control is consistent with intelligence data, and shells are used with various methods of detonation, in t h corrected and active-reactive, silent / mines /, cluster, etc., not to mention rocket artillery!

[Elephant]

Really, the work is just endless! This war has exposed serious problems for us, and wherever possible.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Elephant

Really, the work is just endless! This war has exposed serious problems for us, and wherever possible.

Have you seen or heard anything before?

[Alf]

At the same time, it is expected that by the end of this year, the output of individual samples of the products of the above-mentioned enterprises will increase by 7-8 times.

But they didn’t say in the Moscow Region where to get 7-8 times more turners, millers, locksmiths?

[tralflot1832]

I would go myself, but I can only paint the air conditioning systems, not to be confused with air conditioners. But age, I give way to the young.

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

I would go myself, but I can only paint and air conditioning systems,

But you need some turners and milling cutters ...

Quote: tralflot1832

I make way for the young.

Now among them there are no lovers to stand elbow-deep in emulsion for 40 thousand, it is easier to raise this amount in Sberdelivery, where work experience and qualifications are not needed.

[tralflot1832]

And you are sure of such a salary, we open any website of a defense plant - we look at vacancies there.

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

And you are sure of such a salary, we open any website of a defense plant - we look at vacancies there.

We both know perfectly well that paper, and even more so the Internet, will endure everything. Or do you think that you can earn more without an 8-hour day, without overtime, without Saturdays and Sundays? But on my Kuznetsovo, the admission of WORKING specialties is closed, and those who have all the documents already drawn up have been slowed down. Moreover, I cannot say that the plant works in 2-3 shifts, although the director assured that the order for this year from the Moscow Region was increased.

[tralflot1832]

When I arrived in Sochi, the salary in my specialty was a maximum of $ 500, I was in no hurry and sold for $ 1000, because I needed a specialist. And it was for a start, then it only went uphill. but it all depends on how you present yourself, the best option is if you have a friend at the enterprise. And so, it is already practiced that the head of the shop or department with the recommended salary gives an application for a vacancy. We have all the specialists in one department fled across Russia, when moving from one offices to another. If you are a specialist in your field, you will always find your job.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: tralflot1832

And you are sure of such a salary, we open any website of a defense plant - we look at vacancies there.

I’m not even sure at all, because 5 years ago I stood elbow-deep in emulsion in an unheated workshop at minus 15, heated the machines with a cutter, and received 15 thousand. Rubles.

[d.zacharith]

Let me clarify .... did you stand in a knee-elbow position in the workshop?

[23424636]

For 30 years they destroyed the industry. They closed the machine-tool factories. they bankrupted and plundered the indestructible production of the Ministry of Defense Industry and did everything so that the partners nodded happily .. And now the year of the war, the Comrade Minister visited the Rostec factories and, of course, joyfully announced that everything would be by the end of the year (Sechinov’s yacht would remain afloat). Against this background, in 41 I.V. Stalin released Vannikov from prison for 2 months of the war and appointed Ustinov as deputy and then an independent ministry (the ammunition commissariat.). Rostec is still that monster that cannot be disturbed - everything is going according to plan. I think it would be worthwhile to remove a separate ministry of ammunition from the structure of Deputy Prime Minister for Trade and Industry Manturov (protogeh Rostec) and put Rogozin or his son as minister, since he knows the powder industry. .It's time to change the industry structure to move away from the schemes gave the loot the result by the end of the year. We must listen from every iron to the call. What have you done for the front or will you do (according to the MO style by the end of the year.)

[tralflot1832]

And what does Sechin’s yachts have to do with it, the sowing campaign is going on in Ukraine (on our territory) and in Russia. Troops in the NVO are provided with fuel and not only in the NVO.

[Alf]

Quote: 23424636

appoint Rogozin as minister on him

MINISTER? Somehow I don’t remember the excellent results of his work in this incarnation, well, except for painting the rocket and recording songs ...

[tralflot1832]

You have been on the site for a long time, when Rogozin was appointed chief of Roskosmos, he was wooed for president on the site, were you not among them?

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

were you not one of them?

No, I'm friends with brains. It was enough to know about his education ...

[Sergey Dvornikov]

You can see from the factory that where they managed to do it - they painted the track there! And so you can see that it's just some kind of shed from the SS! The equipment was not shown so as not to be disgraced at all! Shame in one word 30-year-old rise from his knees!

[Aslan bek]

The defense industry was destroyed, sold out - but now everyone has foreign cars! Ride on health. The most striking thing is that even now defense industry enterprises continue to go bankrupt. Looks like the 5th column is doing its job!

[Babur_2]

Well, of course, mines and unguided projectiles :(

[Oleg Ogorod]

And who is this in the photo with Shoigu? The son of a well-known State Duma deputy from the Slovak Republic, who is the director in Chelyabinsk at the plant of his father Valery Karlovich?

[bukhach]

And what does this have to do with it? Well, just out of curiosity, you don’t admit that such people, by definition, cannot have intelligent children, they say, they are not thieves and stupid, is this your belief? And in general, why suffer about this, for all countries and at all times, those in power tried to attach their children to warm places, but the common people, of course, directed their children with a firm hand to where it was harder, so that, therefore, they would be tempered in labor and hardship, right?

[Arzoo]

I developed a persistent allergy to Shoigu. Just no comment.

[Anadyrean]

The Ministry of Defense is building facilities very quickly. So build 4-10 military plants according to the accelerated program. Useful 1000%.

[yanus]

Given the situation, I would like to hear about a multiple increase in the production of ATGMs and RPGs. They will be more relevant...

[Konnick]

Prigogine responded to this news with sarcasm

Neither I, nor the fighters of PMC "Wagner" have ever doubted the amazing qualities of the Minister of Defense, as an outstanding builder and production worker. It would be important for us to understand the further fate of these ammunition.