Ukrainian gunners near Bakhmut began to use 85-mm Soviet divisional guns D-44

The supply of Western weapons to Ukraine cannot compensate for the losses during the hostilities, the Russian army destroys more than the West is able to supply. This is especially true of artillery, which is specially hunted as part of counter-battery combat.

The shortage of artillery pieces forces the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to open old arsenals and get out of them guns that have long been taken out of service. And this is not an unfounded statement, near Bakhmut (Artemovsk), the use of Soviet 44-mm D-85 guns by Ukrainian artillerymen was recorded. On which particular site they were used is not specified, but pictures with towed guns, adopted by the Soviet army in 1946, are already circulating on the Web.

For the sake of truth, it is worth noting that the use of these guns by the Ukrainian army was recorded much earlier and even before the start of the Russian special military operation.

The 85-mm D-44 divisional gun was developed in 1944 at Design Bureau No. 9 (Uralmash) and put into service in 1946. It was produced until 1954, in total almost 11 thousand guns were manufactured. The gun is still in service with many states, especially in Africa. Ukraine also had a certain number of guns left over from the Soviet army, however, in 2015, the D-44 guns were removed from storage and entered service with the National Guard units that took part in the so-called ATO in Donbass. How many guns were removed from storage, there is no data.

Technical characteristics of the anti-tank gun D-44: Caliber - 85 millimeters; barrel length - 4685 millimeters (55 calibers); vertical pointing angle - -7 ° + 35 °; pointing angle on the horizon - 54 °; weight in combat position - 1725 kilograms; transfer from combat to traveling position - 1 minute; aimed rate of fire - 10-15 rounds per minute; the maximum rate of fire of the gun is 20 rounds per minute; calculation - 5 people.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

I don’t see anything unusual. These guns shoot and cause damage and losses. By the way, we have a Tulip mortar of the 1944 model, placed on a tracked chassis and equipped with a loading mechanism.

[Smoker]

Excellent characteristics of the gun! turns around in a minute, fired 15 shells and drove away, hitched it to a pickup truck, threw 20 shells and a spit to a new position ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

No matter how the pickup truck overstrained itself from transporting a gun weighing about 2 tons and ammunition for it.

[Smoker]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

No matter how the pickup truck overstrained itself from transporting a gun weighing about 2 tons and ammunition for it.

The main thing is not to roll back... . and so the springs will be added forward .. it’s not possible to push on yourself, especially at the front ...

[volodimer]

Pickup .. Here, as it were, an analogue of the 66th is needed. By the way, what kind of pepelats with tail number 13 is towing the gun in the photo?

[Egeny]

as it is in vernacular: "for lack of fish and cancer myself ...", I will not continue, otherwise you will be offended.
Ours also need to take note: if there are guns in warehouses for disposal and shells for them in large quantities, so why not use them?
You yourself write that a weapon is never old if it can be used.

[Eugene 62]

Our most popular mortar PM-120 is generally 1938/43. In 1943, a double-loading fuse was invented for him. He is an excellent fighter. Now he is in the battalions. And during the Second World War he was in the regiments. Hence the name PM (regimental mortar).

[belost79]

This war showed that obsolete weapons do not exist.

[Alexander 3]

It is necessary to pay attention to the accuracy of firing. If modern guns are aimed with the help of an on-board computer, then these guns are aimed individually, by the battery commander.

[Igor_Sergeevich]

To be more precise, any gun (artillery) is guided by a gunner. But the settings for firing can be determined by computer technology or "manually" by an artillery officer.

[decimalegio]

I totally agree with you. What makes weapons obsolete is how they are used. Older weapons can easily coexist with newer ones, provided they are properly used.

[volodimer]

The Afghans used 80th century matchlocks against us in the early 18s. Museum exhibits, but they took lives.
So any weapon is still a weapon. Of course you can laugh, but you don't want to.

[South Ukrainian]

Soon they will start using ZIS-3, I don’t know how it is today, but yesterday there were a lot of them on pedestals.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There will be nothing surprising in the return of medium-caliber guns. One of their main drawbacks was the difficulty of tracking gaps over long distances and adjusting fire accordingly. With the advent of drones and automation of guidance, this drawback ceases to be significant. So the 76-mm ZIS-3 may well return to the active army.

[Hiller]

Why on pedestals? And at MAPs (small artillery ranges) there were enough of them. Artillerymen trained in shooting and trained well.

[dfk-80]

Well, I don’t know how the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in my city, how Acacia and Gvozdika arrived from the city parade to the square about 5 years ago, they are standing there. Well, a pair of ZIS-3 and BS-3 (100mm) have been standing for a long time. And that's not counting the armored vehicles in the equestrian school.
I think to go through Russia - you can from T-34-85 and IS-3 to 54-k and 72-k and find a lot more.

[Jager]

A few years ago I saw ZiS-2 or ZiS-3 in a report about Syria, how they were unloaded along with boxes of DP-27. Judging by their good appearance and condition, obviously after repair from storage.

[Vladimir 290]

I wonder what they will write in the comments if they suddenly show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces.

[Stas157]

Quote: Vladimir 290

I wonder what they will write in the comments if suddenly they will show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces.

But this is already a slander against the army, which, according to the words of the supreme, should be armed with the most modern weapons!

Assuming such (armament with junk) in advance is discrediting.
Talking about it after is a vital necessity and there are not enough weapons.

[dementor873]

No, this is a ticket to fresh air, three meals a day and a scheduled rise.

[Diger]

Quote: Vladimir 290

if they suddenly show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces.

-The Soviet Union was great. It's not even a country, but a civilization
-if the unworthy boobies at the helm didn’t steal, then Pra, Pra, great-grandchildren would be enough
- not 2 countries, not 2 armies are howling. In this case, units of the army, which was once 1 (or 2) in the world, are fighting, and the warehouses are the same, but separated.
That's what they should say.
But Skabeva-Solovyova, of course, will say differently

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Vladimir 290

what they will write in the comments if they suddenly show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces.

Well, what is it? If my memory serves me right, then the 85-mm D-44/48 divisional guns were not "officially" withdrawn from the armament of the Russian army! That is, "officially" they are in service! And the fact that they are not in the troops, but only in "storage" ... so these are "little things in life"!

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Vladimir 290

what they will write in the comments if they suddenly show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces

In fact, it's so obvious that it's not even particularly interesting. It is enough to find two articles: about our T-62s, removed from storage, and Slovak T-55s, donated to Ukraine. In the comments to the first article about the T-62, it’s a complete shame, adiisrael and all the polymers were fucked up. But in the comments about the T-55, delight and horror before the all-destroying power, because the whole of Israel has modernized something there. In general, it doesn’t matter what junk is, it’s still terribly dangerous and terribly deadly. The main thing is not to confuse what to apply this argument to, since it works only in one direction (not ours).
Yes, and if something new and modern appears in our country, then we must say that this is too little, because the idiot generals were not puzzled in time and it is imperative to ask questions that begin with the words “yanipanimayupachimu” ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vladimir 290

I wonder what they will write in the comments if they suddenly show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces.

In the second Chechen D-44, the RF Armed Forces were used.
In Syria, against the barmaley, closer to the end of active operations, 122mm M-30 model 1938 was lit up. I think it will appear in Ukraine soon.
152mm D-1 model 1943 is already in use.
And this is not a complete list of "veterans".

[Mikhail Maslov]

In Syria, the German WWII "Marder" also fought 76 mm, the pictures were on the Internet. Moreover, the "Marder" was used on its own, and 76 mm guns were put on the car in the back.

[1 z1]

Quote: Vladimir 290

I wonder what they will write in the comments if they suddenly show a similar weapon in service with the RF Armed Forces.

They will write the following: it was not an easy decision, but after the modernization, this gun is not inferior to Western counterparts. And this will be true, since in the west there are not many analogues in service

[sergo1914]

Fedor Fedorovich Petrov. Lump. He created her

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Soon 53-K and M-42 will be used, and then we will get to 3 inches of 1902.

[rotmistr60]

Although it is old in time of production, it shoots and shoots well and accurately. Somehow they showed the work of our MT-12 "Rapier" on the oporniks - what is not a shot, then in the bull's-eye. And it was also released not yesterday, but in the early 60s.

[Egoza]

Quote: rotmistr60

Although it is old in terms of production time, it shoots and shoots well and accurately

Good weapons were produced in the USSR. And as before, it is at war with the Nazis!

[Peter1First]

Well, the rapier has at least a 100mm projectile and a huge initial speed - you can work with a direct shot, but the D-44 is, of course, more modest in terms of characteristics, and is there enough ammunition for it?

[Hiller]

So also the BS-3 100mm is a wonderful weapon from the same time. And there are enough shells in the warehouses.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: rotmistr60

MT-12 "Rapier" on the oporniks - what is not a shot, then in the bull's-eye. And it was also released not yesterday, but in the early 60s.

I saw a copy of the T-12 marked 1959.

[QuestionsNeudobny]

Artemovsk, not the Ukronazi "Bakhmut" actually.

[old_pferd]

In fact, Bakhmut has been called Bakhmut since the 16th century, when no one even heard of Ukrainians.

[Smoker]

The city of Bakhmut was founded in the XNUMXth century on the river of the same name. It was a border outpost and under the Russian Tsar Ivan the Terrible was a defensive line to protect against the attacks of the Crimean Tatars.
The city bore this name throughout the pre-revolutionary Russian history and for several years after the October events until 1924, when it was renamed Artemovsk.

Bakhmut cannot be Ukronazi by origin... There were no Ukrainians there until the twenties of the last century... when they came up with the idea of ​​rewriting Russians into Ukrainians... and for one reason the city was renamed Artemovsk, so that Ivans would not remember their relationship .. - in principle - everything that was conceived then was brought to life, which we are seeing today !!!

[Rumata]

Quote: Smoker

under the Russian Tsar Ivan the Terrible

My solution to the dilemma. Bakhmut, but the shammpsik will be Artyomovsky again!

[AdAstra]

So what? Also news to me, after all, they are the 22nd army of the world.

[Dimon-chik-79]

Thank God, even the D-30 is not particularly used in our country, the more powerful 152mm is predictably preferred, by the way, the D-20 has been produced since 1953 and it looks like this is the main weapon in the Russian Army. By the way, it is very strange that it is not visible that we would use 130 mm M-46 with a maximum range of 37 km !!!!

[Smoker]

at the expense of 37 km you grabbed ... there it seems 27500 m ... and in the Donbass from the Ukrainian side they have been used since the end of the summer of 22 years ..

Most likely, the presence of shells for this device is the main problem on both sides ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Regarding the possible use of 130-mm M-46 guns by the Russian army, I already, relatively recently, had a "note" in the VO ... In it, I mentioned that 130-mm guns are in service with China, Iran, Syria .. for them, even, artillery shells with an increased firing range have been developed! These are active-rocket projectiles with a range of up to 42-44 km (China, Iran) and improved ballistics (ERFB) projectiles with a range of up to 38 km (China) ... Chinese 130-mm active-rocket shells were also purchased by Syria ... As for lack of shells in warehouses, I want to remind you that 130 mm is the main "main" caliber of the Navy and coastal defense! In addition ... where did the stocks of 130-mm shells produced in those years when the M-46s were in service and supplied to the "allies" go? And one more thing ... 130-mm shells are made in China, Iran ...

[Smoker]

I can’t say anything about the reserves ... I suggested ... I don’t have to rely on China or Korea yet.
and for naval guns - there is unitary ammunition, it seems. For m-46 separate ... correct if something is wrong ..

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Smoker

there is no hope for China or Korea yet.

Of course, it’s better to rely on yourself ... but so, for reference (!) 130-mm shells are produced (maybe they were produced ...) in approximately 12 countries of the world!

Quote: Smoker

on naval guns - there is unitary ammunition, it seems. For m-46 separate

Yes you are right ! In the heat of the moment, I forgot to think about it! And yet, artillery depots with stocks of shells remain "in memory"! In addition, it may be possible to take into account the fact that the "hull" 130-mm gun M-46 was created on the basis of the naval (!) 130-mm gun! I had to somehow read about the fact that unitary shots for the naval "ZIF-92/94" and shots for the M-46 were created in one design bureau ... (did not check!)! So, the shells themselves can be very similar! It remains to compare the volumes of the chambers ... the length of the sleeves ... But I don’t have such information! (Of course, you can find data on shells, shells in reference books ... but this is very boring and time-consuming!)

[Smoker]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

are produced (maybe they were produced ...) in approximately 12 countries of the world!

Most of these 12 countries will most likely prefer to transfer ammunition to Ukraine than to us ... except for the same sowing. Koreans and Chinese - but these also do not want to give us ammunition ...
So there is only hope for our own ammunition ... but since the guns did not light up at the front from our side, there are my assumptions that there is no ammunition for them / these guns have not capitalized / do not want to break the supply chains for 152mm shells .. / enough and those guns that are 152mm ..
about the sufficiency of 152 mm guns - obviously not enough, since the T-62 and even T55 tanks were rolled out of the storerooms - although the calibers are not 152 mm, they increase the firepower of the army, the efficiency of use ...

Quote: Nikolaevich I

And yet, artillery depots with stocks of shells remain "in memory"

I'm afraid they were sent en masse to Syria. In Syria, this M-46 gun was used to the fullest ..

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I had to somehow read about the fact that unitary shots for the naval "ZIF-92/94" and shots for the M-46 were created in one design bureau ... (did not check!)! So, the shells themselves can be very similar

I really found a photo from Syria - there is a unitary projectile, in an article on VO look here:
https://topwar.ru/108436-v-sirii-snova-zamecheny-dalnoboynye-sau-s-130-mm-pushkoy-m-46.html

It was nice to chat..

[Smoker]

Here is this unitary ammunition for the M-46, photo from Syria

perhaps there they sent everything that the RF Ministry of Defense had

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Regarding the possible use of 130-mm guns M-46 by the Russian army

In almost all armies, guns have been replaced by howitzers.
Cannons are good at vertical targets, while most artillery targets on the battlefield are horizontal.
For horizontal targets, howitzers, mortars and mortars are more effective.

[Igor_Sergeevich]

In fact, the gun is characterized by the trajectory of fire. Guns - flat, howitzers - mounted. There are cannon-howitzers and howitzer-guns.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The rejection of the D-30 and 122-mm artillery caliber is a mistake. 152 mm ammunition is very heavy and cannot be achieved with high rate of fire when manually loaded. In addition, in view of the refusal to use cluster munitions, the advantages of a larger caliber are practically not realized.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The rejection of the D-30 and 122-mm artillery caliber is a mistake.

Most of the targets in Ukraine are either openly located, or trenches, and not always of a full profile, or blocked sections of trenches and dugouts in one or two rolls.
Those. the most for 122mm

[Hiller]

There are many of them in the Far East, they were towed by automatic telephone exchanges. A wonderful tool.

[Timofey Smagin]

the question is, are there shells for it, for m46? So the cannon is efficient, the Iranians really liked the Iranian-Iraqi as a long-range weapon.

[vbi007]

The results of the actions of "Gorbachevism" and Yeltsin's saints in the Moscow Region. During the "dispersal" (and you can't call it otherwise) our groups of troops on the territory of the countries (of the sunk into oblivion) ​​of the Warsaw Pact, weapons and military equipment were mainly stored in the warehouses of the Ukrainian SSR. Hence the UAV, hence the tanks and planes that the dills sold, but could not sell everything because of the huge number. Now we are reaping the fruits of the actions of the brainless leaders in power, who armed the 404 territory to the teeth, and we have to dispose of this equipment, losing people.

[Smoker]

Quote from: vbi007

The results of the actions of "Gorbachevism" and Yeltsin's saints in the Moscow Region. During the "dispersal" (and you can't call it otherwise) our groups of troops on the territory of the countries (of the sunk into oblivion) ​​of the Warsaw Pact, weapons and military equipment were mainly stored in the warehouses of the Ukrainian SSR. Hence the UAV, hence the tanks and planes that the dills sold, but could not sell everything because of the huge number. Now we are reaping the fruits of the actions of the brainless leaders in power, who armed the 404 territory to the teeth, and we have to dispose of this equipment, losing people.

Gorbach and Benya are certainly guilty, but the people also calmly reacted to the collapse of the country and the socialist camp ... like silent cattle went to the slaughter ... every nation is worthy of its ruler ...

[dfk-80]

When the elite gradually and thoughtfully betray, the people have only a chance to survive. For a guaranteed defeat, any bandits and werewolves in uniform received priority.
You obviously don’t know about Rokhlin and the unrest in the Volgograd corps, and about how the special services extinguished any separatists in the Cossacks, but completely ignored the Baltic states, the Caucasus, etc.
Yes, our people are golden, on both sides of the front. Just those need to be washed and the filth of lime.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Smoker

like silent cattle went to the slaughter... every nation is worthy of its ruler...

Yes, yes, everyone walked silently and only the lone "Smoker" nervously smoked on the sidelines ...

[Zaurbek]

A good gun. If Optics put a modern one and a thermal imager. You can shoot well.

[Stoler]

And what about our T-62 tankers and prodigies based on MTLB, and what?

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Ours will also use the D-1 howitzer of the 1943 model.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It is lighter than D-20, and even than PAT-B, one and a half times, which is why it is used.

[digger]

If, before the start of the NMD, many in the world and in Russia thought that tanks and artillery were anachroism and aging and absolutely unnecessary weapons, today these false illusions have been dispelled and shown to the whole world that artillery has not even moved a millimeter from the pedestal of the God of War ... and tanks as before play a key role in the battle.

[Filosoff]

This is if the air defense is not suppressed. And there is no mass use of UAVs (we do not mean quadrocopters here). There is no need to think that all wars will now become like this.

[Glory1974]

what arsenals does it come from? I thought that all storage bases were destroyed. But it turns out that our missiles didn’t fire at them? Only the transformers were destroyed, and the military potential was intact. Somehow wrong.

[Nikolaevich I]

There should also be D-48s in Ukraine ... Somewhere I read that most of the D-48s that were produced remained there, and few were produced compared to the D-44s ... D-48s were mentioned in 2015 on armed with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but perhaps the author of such information called the D-48 "to the heap" ... so that the D-44 would not be "boring"! D-48s may not currently be used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but, most likely, due to the lack of "specific" shells ... D-48 is more powerful than D-44!

[Zaurbek]

We have a lot of this stuff in stock. We shot at Molkino from him ...

[Battle Cat]

Chubaty even then complained that only practical shells remained on the D-48, so the use of these guns is now doubtful, except for the D-48, the ASU-85 gun had the same ballistics, by the way, the self-propelled gun is still in service in Vietnam, that's just where do they get BC is a very interesting question.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

D-48s may not be currently used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but, most likely, due to the lack of "specific" shells ... D-48 is more powerful than D-44!

T-12 was obtained by imposing a 100mm smooth barrel with a length of 63 calibers on the carriage of an anti-tank gun D-48 (it has a barrel with a length of 74 calibers).

[decimalegio]

Considering that when a bullet hits the head, I think there is not much difference, D-44 is a gun, D-30, 15 cm sFH 18 or a very modern 152/155 mm thing. I must say that I read some sites that say that Russia is sending 76-mm guns to Ukraine, a divisional gun mod. 1942 (ZiS-3). I don't know if this is true.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

If the adjustment of fire is carried out from drones, or fire at short distances, the use of light 76-mm guns is fully justified.

[Smoker]

sent D-20 guns, there is no talk of ZIS-3 yet ...
The D-20 is an excellent weapon.

[d.zacharith]

They send the D-20 not because it is an excellent weapon (compare with 777), but because there are no other, more modern ones

[vbi007]

Quote: Smoker

Gorbach and Benya are certainly guilty, but the people also calmly reacted to the collapse of the country and the socialist camp ... like silent cattle went to the slaughter ... every nation is worthy of its ruler ...

The people and the people ... So the people had a "guiding and guiding", which he believed for some reason. But the people, having barely found out about the independence, began to bring down monuments to their founder, having lost food from the People and spitting on him in the ecstasy of racing on the Maidan.

[Smoker]

Quote from: vbi007

But the people, having barely found out about the independence, began to bring down monuments to their founder

Here it is immediately worth recalling the hero city of Leningrad, which was renamed St. Petersburg without hesitation ... as in other matters earlier, the hero city of Stalingrad was shyly renamed Volgograd ... spat on themselves in ecstasy nobly ...

[Victorovich]

Oh no dear...
there were disputes about what kind of St. Petersburg or Leningrad ... oh.
Well, okay, I’ll tell you a little secret, there is the city of St. Petersburg and there is the hero city of Leningrad.
They exist at the same time.
But .. officially St. Petersburg passes on all papers. But Leningrad is ALIVE!!!!

[Smoker]

Quote from Victor

Well, okay, I’ll tell you a little secret, there is the city of St. Petersburg and there is the hero city of Leningrad.
They exist at the same time.

Here is Ukraine, and in it Dneproges, Yuzhmash and so on, there is Stepan Bandera and nationalist battalions - and they exist at the same time !!!

[dfk-80]

It is correct to write: "For now, there is Ukraine ...". The next beneficiaries squeezed out the project, now they are drying.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Smoker

the hero city of Leningrad, which was renamed St. Petersburg without hesitation.

Moreover, before the renaming to Leningrad, the city from August 18, 1914 to January 26, 1924 was called Petrograd ...

[vbi007]

A single application does not give the desired results, Massive application in the form of a fire shaft is desirable. Then there is no need to say that this weapon is outdated.

[dfk-80]

In this war, the fire shaft is useless, because. additionally means:
1. Tight enemy defense.
2. Chains of infantry following the shaft.
3. Total transfer of the economy to a military footing.
A small number of rockets with cluster munitions will warp all the infantry and half the gunners.
A couple of fire shafts and the shells will run out.
People who "see" lunar landscapes simply did not see photos of real lunar landscapes in France 108 years ago.

[TermNachTer]

Remove guns from conservation and choose which ones are livelier is not a problem. And where will they get the ammunition? What years?

[DMFalke]

They have the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia and Romania at their side - they will pour out whatever shells you want in 1940-80, and if necessary, they will produce it - everything has already been paid

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: TermNachTER

And where will they get the ammunition? What years?

All stocks are calculated for several months of hostilities, and then what is newly produced (if there is where to produce and from what).

[Kostadinov]

Healthy idea. The rate of fire and reaction time are higher than 152-155 mm howitzers, the size is smaller, and the mobility is much higher, it is easier to produce ammunition. For most battlefield targets, the smaller caliber is much more effective.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote from: Peter1First

Well, the rapier has at least a 100mm projectile and a huge initial speed - you can work with a direct shot, but the D-44 is, of course, more modest in terms of characteristics, and is there enough ammunition for it?

They don’t think about it: they need it here and now.

[Victorovich]

Quote: belost79

This war showed that obsolete weapons do not exist.

This is absolutely in the hole!
I constantly say that even a well-built spear or club is capable of harming (damaging, injuring, killing) the enemy.
Old fluff, which is about 400-500 years old - with its core it can destroy a car and several

It is not necessary to have the most modern weapons. you need to have a weapon that is right at this second ready to destroy the enemy or complete a combat mission (or disrupt the enemy’s plans).
Any weapon requires respect.

[Timofey Smagin]

This nucleus is decorative. Her ammunition is 2 buckets of buckshot)))

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

Totally agree with you. During the defense of Moscow, the Red Army used 106 mm guns, produced in 1896, there were no sights for them and they were aimed through the barrel. But they did their job and burned quite a few German tanks. By the way, in vain they forgot about the anti-tank rifles PTRD and PTRS. If they are now equipped with optical sights, then you will get an excellent tool for destroying light armored vehicles and firing points in bunkers and window receptions at a distance of 300-500 m, and we have plenty of cartridges for them, since they use the same 14 mm cartridge, which both KPV and KPVT.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

It's easier to get kpv right away ...
One misfortune is more or less modern NATO technology has protection against them ...

[Banner]

next will be ZIS? and then forty-five will be found somewhere ....

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

I have already written more than once that just the ZIS-3, ZIS-2 and "magpies" would be very useful now, especially in urban battles.

[Wayfarer_2]

Would you agree, as in the Second World War, to carry them in your arms?

[erased]

They didn't do shit in the USSR. And at such a pace, the RF Armed Forces can also remove the Zis-3, Zis-2, F-22, forty-five and guns from the times of World War I from storage. Fortunately, the warehouses should have a supply of shells for them. For fighting with bare hands is somehow not according to Feng Shui. Although the geniuses of strategy are trying to arrange meat assaults.

[dump22]

The most interesting thing is, where did they get ammunition for this caliber?

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

A large number of shells left from the times of the USSR.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Where is left? Firstly, they lost a bunch of warehouses, so the most important thing is that the shells have an expiration date, and I don’t know, I don’t know, they probably even wrote off the 85s ...

[gynecological]

3 seconds per shot? Is there an automatic loader there?

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

This refers to shooting in a series, for example, barrage fire. The aiming of the gun does not change, and with an automatic wedge gate, a well-prepared calculation, three seconds is enough to send a unitary projectile into the breech and pull the trigger lever.

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

I already wrote in the comments to the article about street battles and the storming of cities that we need to remember the light divisional, regimental and battalion guns of 45, 57, 76, 85 mm calibers from the times of the Second World War. They will show themselves perfectly in the NMD, for battles at short and medium distances, both in the field and in the city, both in the offensive and in defense. There is no obsolete weapon, you just need to use it correctly. Remember the movie "Rimbaud", where he was in Vietnam, very successfully used a simple ancient bow and arrow. By the way, the Vietnamese very successfully used traps made from sharpened bamboo stalks.

[Herman 4223]

I wonder why the T-55 gun is worse than this rarity? Or is it different?

[Wayfarer_2]

What is the range of this gun? What kind of armor does it penetrate? Most importantly, the author, along the way, does not know.

[timokhin-aa]

The shortage of artillery pieces is forcing the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to open old arsenals and get out of them guns that have long been taken out of service. And this is not an unfounded statement, near Bakhmut (Artemovsk), the use of Soviet 44-mm D-85 guns by Ukrainian artillerymen was recorded.

Yes, in the Russian army from antiques, only D-1 howitzers mod. 1943, modernized (out of production in 1949), BTR-50, T-54/55 tanks (in the process of restoration) and T-62M.
But, as an insider, I will say that you all guys are waiting for a couple more antique surprises.
Surprises have already been submitted to the troops, they just cannot be photographed yet, repairs are underway, they are not dragged along the roads.
And let's see what "VO" will then write in the "News" section about this.
Glory to the Great Shoigu!

[polar bear]

Nothing funny. A good, reliable, Soviet cannon, a tank may not hit, but it can immobilize, and against infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers it is quite effective, especially in the defense of settlements and fortifications, however, like the ZIS-3, which are probably full there.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Hmmm, where do they get 85mm shells. They have not been released for the devil knows how long ... 76 caliber still remained on old ships, on pt-76 tanks ...
And 85 wrote off the devil knows when ...