Is Russia interesting as an ally to China?

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Is Russia interesting as an ally to China?

According to international diplomatic protocol, a state visit is an official visit by a head of state to a foreign country at the invitation of the head of state of that foreign country, with the latter also acting as the official host for the duration of the state visit. State visits are considered the highest expression of friendly bilateral relations between two sovereign states and are typically characterized by an emphasis on official public ceremonies.

That is, a state visit not only implies maximum officialdom, a program oversaturated with protocol events, but also a large number of signed joint documents. Moreover, not just contracts and projects, moreover, we are not even talking about protocols of intentions, no. We are talking about strategic agreements signed for more than one year.



Xi Jinping: "We have signed a joint statement on deepening the comprehensive partnership and strategic cooperation entering a new era. And a joint statement on the development plan for key areas of Chinese-Russian economic cooperation for the period up to 2030. We outlined a plan for the further development of bilateral relations and cooperation in all areas in the near future.”


And from him: “President Putin and I agreed to intensify comprehensive planning at the highest level, increase trade in energy, resources and electrical products, increase the stress resistance of production and supply chains of the two parties, expand cooperation in the field of information technology, digital economy, agriculture, continue to ensure the continuity of cross-border logistics and transportation”


Actually, there is no need to draw any conclusions here, the Chinese leader outlined everything quite well. For all the good stuff and more. They sell us electronics, we sell them resources and agricultural products. There is not a word about contracts, but a statement ... You can say a lot of things, but the trouble is that the specifics are zero.

But nothing more than what was said was not to be expected. By the way, in China itself, the visit was treated quite casually like this. That is, there was no such brutal hype as we have in the media. At all. Here is the page of my beloved People's Daily:


As you can see, Xi Jinping came to Russia and went back. All. A visit to Laos or Myanmar could have looked about the same, nothing more. Yes, Putin's article in Renmin aroused interest, but nothing more. Everything else looked very ordinary.

But the visit itself was very important for Russia, yes. That is why we met Comrade Xi, as they say, from the heart. The very fact that Xi Jinping arrived almost immediately after being elected for a new term as the President of the PRC is a very big gesture on his part. The important point here is that everything happened, by political standards, just instantly: ten days after the election.

It is worth noting that it turned out to be accepted. The whole question is solely in who and what benefits it will bring.




After reviewing the signed documents, it is difficult to draw any conclusions. There are all political and diplomatic curtsies regarding improvement, deepening, for everything good against everything bad. The specifics are minuscule.

The main question is: can China be considered an ally of Russia?


Answer: no, you can’t.

First of all, in China itself the concept of “ally” is not used at all, China has no allies. For China, the word "ally" is very difficult, the union implies the presence of some obligations that must be fulfilled, and China is not the country that takes on obligations that can, at least slightly, but strain the country.

Yes, in principle, the PRC has one ally, in relation to which the PRC performs allied functions, but this is more of a younger brother than a full-fledged ally. North Korea. The status is approximately the same as that of Belarus in relations with Russia, only the leadership of North Korea has much more twists and turns, and the Juche idea embodied in missiles can easily be exported somewhere. For example, to Japan.

That's it, China has no one else. And they are unlikely to appear.

Historically, the Chinese did not look for allies for themselves. In ancient times, the Middle Kingdom, the Middle Empire, as the Chinese themselves called it, always considered itself self-sufficient and strong. And I didn’t look for any alliances with anyone. For which she was repeatedly punished by her neighbors from the Japanese islands, but in the end they even got out into the Second World War, albeit with the help of the USSR.

Well, now look for alliances with someone ... With the neighbors, in principle, they quarreled with everyone. Apart from Russia, at least there are no more territorial claims here. But let's face it, a country with a population of one and a half billion, successfully training a huge land army and building such a good navy with giant strides, is an unpleasant object for resolving any disputes, even in a non-nuclear way.

Yes, China has not been seen participating in military blocs and alliances and, it is worth emphasizing, it is trying to solve all the problems itself. Hundreds of articles have already been written about the problems that China has, especially territorial disputes. We will limit ourselves to saying that there are territorial problems, but their solution has not yet led to wars of a regional scale, although conflicts with Vietnam have put the region on the brink more than once in the last century. However, it worked out.

Therefore, a country with a huge production resource, an army, fleet and a nuclear arsenal is strong in itself. It can be said that it is good that China does not seek to impose its hegemony on the world, as the United States does. It cannot be called a peaceful country, but in general, the policy of the PRC is very peaceful, if you close your eyes to particulars.

So China does not need allies. We need sales markets once and a reliable rear behind us in terms of the supply of raw materials, two. And that's all. All the words of Comrade Xi that “Russian-Chinese bilateral relations have gone beyond bilateral and are now the most important factor in world politics”, on the one hand, are a serious statement, on the other ... on the other, it’s worth quoting one more quote, Xi’s final phrase Jinping that "the world is undergoing the biggest changes in 100 years and we will work on them together."

It reminds of the old parable about how the fly said: “We plowed”, sitting on the horns of an ox. And, perhaps, this is the maximum that could be squeezed out of the Chinese leader in our situation.

He, in fact, gave it away.


It is clear that China today feels like a stronger country than Russia. And therefore, some even characterize the visit of the Chinese leader as evaluative, that is, in China they understand that confrontation with the United States cannot be avoided, spheres of interest are not only colliding, they are already cracking. And here it would be useful to play it safe and consolidate, fix relations with Russia, as with a supplier of everything necessary.

That is, resources


In general, the situation turned out to be not very beautiful: the Russian Federation sold to Europe about 150 billion cubic meters of gas annually. At decent prices. And she received beads and mirrors for this, well, everything that the white gentlemen gave the natives historically. Now the European market has been lost by Gazprom, and the Chinese market, alas, cannot compensate for such losses. Power of Siberia last year pumped about 15 billion cubic meters of gas, in 2023 it is planned to increase it up to 22 billion cubic meters of gas. With the planned capacity of pumping "Sila" about 38 billion cubic meters.

In general, China takes little and cheap. Prices are classified, but it is precisely the fact that they are deeply hidden that gives grounds to believe that China takes gas slightly above the cost and, of course, below the level that the Europeans have drawn as the limit.

Who will compensate for the difference, of course. "New Oil" and "New Gas" of Russia. We.

In general, the situation is simple: European gentlemen gave their euros and dollars for gas, supplied their goods to the Russian market. Now the Europeans are gone, and instead of European beads and mirrors, we will get Chinese ones. They are almost the same as we are told, if not better because they are cheaper. "Khaval" instead of "Audi", "Moskvich-Jack" instead of "Renault".

In general, no one is preparing Russia for a different fate, except as a gas station country. Well, it's your own fault. It was in the 90s that Gaidar's team developed such a way of life for the country: why do we need to produce something if we can buy it by selling resources? Here we are selling. And China is buying.

Yuanization


Putin proudly says that settlements between our countries are carried out in national currencies, and the yuan is becoming a kind of lifesaver for Russia in settlements with other countries. Russian banks have problems with dollars, and the yuan is normally taken in Africa and South America.

On the one hand, it seems to be nothing, on the other hand, the last nail in the coffin of the actually dead EAEU, which was originally conceived as a ruble zone. But Russia will enter the yuan zone, and nothing pleasant awaits it there, because, alas, the yuan cannot yet be called a strong and stable currency.

However, the yuanization of the ruble will play into the hands of the Chinese currency. China's interest in this issue is understandable: the more countries start using the yuan, the easier it is to create your own market. Yes, it will be interesting for many countries to enter the Chinese market, but the trouble is that China does not need them there in the first place. But the markets of these countries will have to be opened wide for Chinese goods.

And the following picture emerges: oil, oil products, gas and coal from Russia to China in 2022 reached 75% of all exports to China, or $85 billion out of $114 billion. This is according to the Main Customs Administration of China. Another 9,8% of exports are ore, metals and metal products, and 3,2% are wood and products from it, 1,4% are precious metals, and 0,9% are fertilizers.

That is, 90% of Russian exports to China are resources. Machinery, equipment, electronics and transport - 0,5% of Russian exports. In Chinese imports to the Russian Federation, the share of equipment is more than 51%.

Actually, everything: Russia is just a raw material appendage of China


Resources to China, from there goods and means of production. Moreover, quite so-so in comparison with European ones. Technology, sorry, is not Chinese. Copying and releasing a cheaper version is what they could and will be able to do, but this whole thing is secondary in comparison with European and American ones. Alas for us, but it is so.

Good copiers, but very unimportant developers - this is the current status of China. We are no better, the "import substitution" program is about the same as the Eurasian Economic Union, so there is no time for fat. Good developers "unparalleled" but no manufacturers - the status of Russia.

The fact that there are problems with production in Russia is understandable. All these "unparalleled in the world" crafts in single copies are the best illustration of the impotence of Russian industry, or rather, its remnants.

Perhaps the best option would be to transfer all these Armats, Boomerangs, Coalitions, Kurgans and other Petrels to China. In a year, it would really stand on the conveyor in stunning quantities compared to Russia.

In general, God himself ordered the Russian Federation and China to stay together. For together you can somehow compensate for the shortcomings of a neighbor. So Russia appeared in the army after all drones and radio stations, and China may have aircraft with a decent motor resource, for example.

But in fact, what is the dollar zone, what is the yuan zone - what difference does it make if the role of the gas station country is all that Russia is capable of in its current state? It's just that in the yuan zone everything is somewhat poorer than in the dollar zone.

Do they understand this in Russia - there is nothing to talk about here, but in China they understand it just fine. That is why Xi Jinping came to visit, and not vice versa. Therefore, there is absolutely no specifics in the signed documents, all this diplomatic husk is a stage of preliminary preparation for what will happen. If it will be.

Of course, something will happen, but everything here is 100% dependent on China. It is China that will dictate the terms of upcoming deals and agreements, and these terms will be very tough. But Russia simply has nothing to offer or oppose, unfortunately, the country's completely toothless policy will not allow this. The attacking style of diplomacy in the style of the USSR is all in the distant past, all that Russian diplomacy can do is try to respond by completely giving the initiative to the wrong hands. That notorious drawing of red, burgundy and purple lines in endless quantities.

China is implementing this with maximum benefit for itself.


But before that, the Chinese, with their peculiarities in psychology and approach to processes, simply need to understand what is happening in Russia and draw many conclusions for the future. And the Chinese know how to draw conclusions for the future. Here it is worth recalling the Vietnamese-Chinese conflicts, of which there were plenty. And the lost war of 1979, when, on the one hand, the goals and objectives that the CPC leadership set for the PLA were not fulfilled, and on the other hand, a check was made to see if the USSR would stand up for its ally. The USSR did not stand up for Vietnam, limiting itself to military supplies and condemnation of the PRC.

However, the Soviet Union - that was a long time ago, today you can remember how Russia stood up for its ... no, of course, not allies. Fellow travelers, judging by the press. But we know how to file when necessary, why it was not worth helping Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya.

This is also taken into account in China. They generally know how to consider the future, so in our case everything will be taken into account: foreign policy, diplomacy, and the military power of Russia. Military power in particular.

Probably, the Chinese, having the negative experience of the last century, do not quite understand what is happening on Ukrainian territory today. Therefore, the "12 points of reconciliation" look somewhat inexpressive. And here the interests of China can be divided into two parts: on the one hand, a neighbor who can get a good deal of cheap resources, distracted by the war, is not bad. You can do things. On the other hand, a country that is experiencing problems with the population (both in terms of demography and in terms of everyday life), with a government that is unable to solve external and internal problems, but with a nuclear weapons...

How are you an ally? So in China they think and evaluate. Calculate possible consequences.


The political message of China is understandable, it slips through the experience of the 1979 war: if it didn’t work out, jump off. Worse than it is - will not be. Let's quickly forget the war, which is clearly unfolding unsuccessfully (as China did in its time) and get down to business. Reforms of the army, the release of new equipment and everything else. Chinese rationality demands such a solution, but diplomacy prevents it from being stated directly.

China needs to buy time at any cost and strengthen the country. Because it is obvious that it will not be so long before the West takes China seriously. While everyone is running around and around Ukraine, China has time. On the other hand, the PRC now has a lot of its own problems, and allowing the West to use them to its detriment is an unaffordable luxury.

So if you look from this side, then Xi Jinping's visit is an attempt to understand and evaluate how Russia is generally suitable for the role assigned to it. No, not an ally, for an ally one must harness oneself not only in the diplomatic and political, but also in the military arena. Therefore - for the role of a good neighbor, a reliable supplier of resources in the future, and so on.

The fact that it is precisely for evaluating everything yourself, with your own eyes, so to speak, with subsequent analysis - that is, perhaps, why the Chinese leader came. The media, reports of diplomats and other sources of information, this is, of course, good, but ...

The fact that Russia is not suitable for the role of an ally to China (too weak army, too weak industry, too weak financial sector, tied exclusively to the trade in resources), is understandable. But a neighbor who can be crushed, flood his market with your goods, and transfer financial rails to your own currency, buy resources not only profitably, but at bargain prices - this is quite an option.

And such an option would be more beneficial for China. This is quite obvious and natural. Capitalism in all its glory, although the PRC stands in the way of developed socialism, but who said that this should extend to other countries?

Total:


We are too weak in the eyes of China to claim allied relations. Here are the relations between the metropolis and the colony-raw material appendage - yes, it is quite possible. But in order to become a full-fledged ally of China, one must be on the same level with it. And this, alas, is not observed.

Moreover, today Russia has become so dependent on Chinese industry due to the destruction of its own that it is scary to imagine what will happen in ten years.

We were scared for a long time that "NATO soldiers will come and take away all the resources." As a result, these resources go to China for next to nothing. Of course, this is an indicator of a very strong state, because only such a state is able to give away oil, gas, metals, wood on the cheap.

The US can't. And we - easily. That is why China will pretend for a long time to come that Russia is its reliable partner and neighbor.

Just remember that trade with Russia in 2022 amounted to $190 billion

Trade with the United States - 759,4 billion dollars.
Trade with the European Union - 847,3 billion dollars.
Trade with ASEAN - $975,3 billion.

Moreover, China exports more from Russia than it supplies. Further, everyone can draw conclusions about how Russia is a serious partner for China. And finish off the idea of ​​the possibility of an alliance.

China, which has two gorgeous allies, the army and navy, can afford not to enter into alliances with anyone. He will not be, Russia is destined for the role of a fellow traveler-supplier. It is unfortunate, but this is the role Russia will have to play until the country really becomes strong and confident both politically and militarily.
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  2. 0
    28 March 2023 05: 17
    Everything is gloomy in this article, of course, but there is a small "but", in a military confrontation with the use of nuclear weapons, China is not Russia's rival at all from the word "no way". Russia in terms of nuclear weapons, together with carriers, is ORDER superior to the Celestial Empire. Hence the conclusion: in the coming decades, China will interact with Russia exclusively as a partner, without forceful pressure. Thank you anyway.
    1. +12
      28 March 2023 05: 41
      For now, it will interact. If the migration of the population from the Far East continues, China will not need to seize anything. It will lease the entire territory for inexpensive. And according to the sanctions, they comply with them, albeit not very zealously, but to bring office equipment from US companies is still hemorrhoids. Our organization has been at war for a year now.
      1. +4
        28 March 2023 07: 19
        Quote: ASAD
        If the migration of the population from the Far East continues, China will not need to capture anything.

        Oh!
        They pulled out an old cartoon about the huge migration of the Chinese to our country.
        By the way, compared to the 90s, the number of Chinese in the same Far East has REDUCED MUCH.
        1. +18
          28 March 2023 08: 13
          By the way, compared to the 90s, the number of Chinese in the same Far East has REDUCED MUCH.

          You might think the number of Russians there is growing by a factor of two. In addition, let's not forget that, as Eastern wisdom says, before the water with its entire mass after an earthquake hits the shore, this is always preceded by a low tide.
        2. +5
          30 March 2023 15: 31
          Quote: SergeyB
          They pulled out an old cartoon about the huge migration of the Chinese to our country.

          What does the Chinese immigration have to do with it? If tomorrow 20 thousand people remain in the Far East, how are you going to control it?
      2. -27
        28 March 2023 07: 35
        Quote: ASAD
        For now, will interact

        Well, really. Who needs an ally like Russia? Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.
        Indeed, who needs an ally who can do so "little"?
        1. +27
          28 March 2023 08: 15
          Quote: SergeyB
          Quote: ASAD
          For now, will interact

          Well, really. Who needs an ally like Russia? Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.
          Indeed, who needs an ally who can do so "little"?

          This "part of the armed forces" is all that Russia can allocate to Ukraine, otherwise why mobilize the civilian population.
          1. 0
            28 March 2023 20: 30
            Quote: freddyk
            This "part of the armed forces" is all that Russia can allocate to Ukraine, otherwise why mobilize the civilian population.

            This "part of the armed forces" is everything that Russia considers necessary and sufficient to allocate for the conduct of the NMD. The leadership of the Russian Federation, unlike couch strategists, takes into account all possible options for the development of a global conflict with the West, the "hot" episode of which is the NWO in Ukraine. There could and may be more such "hot" episodes - the Caucasus, the Baltic states, Central Asia, Belarus, Syria, and even Japan. Mobilization measures also needed to be tested in case of a global turmoil, as well as to increase the contingent of the SVO in order to withdraw regular units of the Armed Forces from potentially dangerous (above) areas - the process is not easy, it is not carried out every day. Not to understand these simple things, in my opinion, can only be a very narrow-minded person, or pretending to be.
            1. +3
              28 March 2023 22: 42
              Quote: Vasia
              ... to withdraw regular units of the Armed Forces from potentially dangerous ...

              Soryan, I missed the "not" - so as not to display ...
              And for typos)
        2. +19
          28 March 2023 09: 38
          Quote: SergeyB
          Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.

          Where did you see the lack of tension? What is it expressed in? I thought there was no longer "we can repeat", "one left". Alas...
          1. +1
            28 March 2023 11: 41
            Quote: victor50
            Where did you see the lack of tension? What is it expressed in?

            No tension in almost everything.
            Let's take the period of 1941-1945 as a starting point.
            Why this particular period?
            Because it was during this war that we stood on the very brink of military defeat. And it took just an incredible tension of everything and everyone to pull it out. And the enemy, by and large, was the same.
            So, comparing today's efforts that our state is making to wage war now and the EXTREME VOLTAGE that our state applied to wage war in 1941-1945, I am convinced that we are not now making even a thousandth of the efforts and tension of that period.
            Which means - we are fighting without much tension.
            1. +8
              28 March 2023 12: 25
              So, comparing today's efforts that our state is making to wage war now and the EXTREME VOLTAGE that our state applied to wage war in 1941-1945, I am convinced that we are not now making even a thousandth of the efforts and tension of that period.
              You have strange ideas about the tension of the forces of industry. Then the entire industry was mobilized to work for the army. Now there is simply nothing to mobilize. It's ridiculous to even compare. Separate enterprises that exist do not even make up a percentage of the then capacities. Even before the mass deployment of weapons production in 1942-1943. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but that's how it is. A qualified workforce in the right amount is simply nowhere to take, it no longer exists, as well as educational institutions where it can be trained.
              1. -2
                28 March 2023 12: 45
                Quote: AKuzenka
                You have strange ideas about the tension of the forces of industry. Then the entire industry was mobilized to work for the army. Now there is simply nothing to mobilize. It's ridiculous to even compare. Separate enterprises that exist do not even make up a percentage of the then capacities. Even before the mass deployment of weapons production in 1942-1943. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but that's how it is. A qualified workforce in the right amount is simply nowhere to take, it no longer exists, as well as educational institutions where it can be trained.

                Sorry, we are not discussing at all now whether our country is capable of the efforts of the period 1941-1945.
                We discuss the comparison of the strain of effort then and now.
                I think that now we can say that we are acting without tension. But who gave me a minus clearly believes that our tension is somewhere at the level of 1941-1945.
                1. +9
                  28 March 2023 13: 23
                  Quote: SergeyB
                  But who gave me a minus clearly believes that our tension is somewhere at the level of 1941-1945.

                  Quote: SergeyB
                  Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.

                  Yes, NATO did not come to war. They support Ukraine exactly as much as necessary, so that they do not blow it. And this is the right tactic, from their point of view. Wait a minute, we will scribble another 41-45th on our heads. A hundred years have not yet passed, only the civilian one is on, by analogy with the twentieth century. Or the Polish campaign of Tukhachevsky. Already one miracle happened on the Dnieper (Vistula), Kherson was left without a fight.
                  1. +4
                    29 March 2023 11: 05
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    A hundred years have not yet passed, only the civilian one is on, by analogy with the twentieth century. Or the Polish campaign of Tukhachevsky.

                    The Soviet-Finnish is coming. Then, too, the political leadership, lulled by Voroshilov's sweet speeches about the steady growth of the military and political training of the Red Army, succumbed to the temptation to solve the problem of the border near Leningrad with one blow, and with limited forces. The same hatred, the same underestimation of the enemy, the same faith in "a deceived people who will go over to the side of class brothers." And the Finns received the full political support of the West and the same drops of arms supplies. Even the attack on Norway planned by the Allies, followed by the occupation, did not solve Finnish problems in the first place, but provided the northern flank of the Allies.
                    That war was hard - to the south of Ladoga, brigades and divisions were ground against the Finnish long-term defense, to the north - with perseverance worthy of a better use, divisions climbed into boilers over and over again. As a result, in order to defeat just one country of the cordon sanitaire, the Western Districts had to be seriously weakened and the industry of the second industrial center of the country had to be mobilized.
                    1. +2
                      29 March 2023 11: 24
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      The Soviet-Finnish is coming.

                      Only the Finns did not seem to recapture already liberated territories from us.
                      P.S. I wonder why the bell was removed?
                      1. 0
                        April 28 2023 23: 40
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Only the Finns did not seem to recapture already liberated territories from us.

                        Manerheim and Siluasvulo were then able to outplay Stalin, Voroshilov and Meretsky, encircle and defeat several divisions of the Red Army. Gerasimov and Putin prevented the Armed Forces of Ukraine from doing anything of the sort. The most important Russian leadership managed to inflict a preemptive strike on the Armed Forces of Ukraine and prevented a repetition of June 22, 1941 in the Donbass and Crimea.
                    2. 0
                      30 March 2023 15: 35
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      The Soviet-Finnish is coming.

                      No. If you start in an analogy, then Russian-Japanese. Here, just like a template, the drowned fleet and retreats and positional wars and other brilliant moves of domestic commanders. And, yes, also "Russia which we have lost". Which the guarantor called for equal.
                  2. +3
                    29 March 2023 15: 57
                    Home
                2. -5
                  28 March 2023 21: 59
                  You better still think about what is happening and how it is happening, everything that we can on the battlefield, we show with huge tension and the private military company and not the Russian army is fighting powerfully. If there was an opportunity, then we would have achieved some results, and so practically marking time.
                3. +1
                  29 March 2023 00: 36
                  Quote: SergeyB
                  I think that now we can say that we are acting without tension. But who gave me a minus clearly believes that our tension is somewhere at the level of 1941-1945.

                  On those who put you a minus, score big and fat. - adequate here, too, enough! And give up the habit of proving something to them, because you will not prove anything to them.

                  First, this public pissed off the country for thirty pieces of silver, then the best years of their lives in the "struggle for a place under the sun," and now, in their asshole, they teach others how not to live.

                  Soon the answer is to be held before God, but they never learned that "one who betrayed once is no longer listened to"!
                4. 0
                  29 March 2023 11: 06
                  Quote: SergeyB
                  Sorry, we are not discussing at all now whether our country is capable of the efforts of the period 1941-1945.
                  We discuss the comparison of the strain of effort then and now.
                  I think that now we can say that we are acting without tension.

                  You have NOT confused the desire to "love" a woman with impotence.
                  The second is a diagnosis, the first is a state of mind.
                  At 41-45 there was a soul ...
              2. 0
                28 March 2023 20: 10
                Quote: AKuzenka
                Now there is simply nothing to mobilize. It's ridiculous to even compare.

                And in terms of the production of military equipment and ammunition necessary for the NMD, we are superior to all Western countries combined. Stop distorting smile
              3. 0
                April 11 2023 11: 52
                I'm sorry to get into an argument,
                Now there is simply nothing to mobilize. It's ridiculous to even compare. Separate enterprises that exist do not even make up a percentage of the then capacities.

                Why did you suddenly take this, my friend? Today one CNC machine = 10 conventional then. Then most of the non-military-industrial complex enterprises were retrained as military-industrial complex, machine-building and tractor enterprises for the production of tanks, guns and shells, plus lend-lease, plus everyone fought at the front and in the rear, even children, horses and dogs, everything worked in besieged Leningrad, what could work, people were dying of hunger right behind the machines.
                There are now educational institutions, right at the production sites, IMHO they teach better. And now there are factories, and not a few, of course, they cannot be compared with China, but today the Russian industry, with industrial mobilization, can produce more T-34 tanks than in 1941-1945, for example.
                So, IMHO, your opponent is right about the "tension of forces".
            2. 0
              28 March 2023 13: 14
              And that the Ukrainian army is superior in number to Nazi Germany and its allies. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces stood near Moscow as in 41, or we were near Kiev. The semi-professional army was unable to complete the SVO and announced mobilization.
            3. +8
              28 March 2023 13: 44
              Quote: SergeyB
              Because it was during this war that we stood on the very brink of military defeat. And it took just an incredible tension of everything and everyone to pull it out. And the enemy, by and large, was the same.

              What are you speaking about? The same enemy? It's a joke? On the Soviet border on June 22, 1941, the Wehrmacht had more than 3,5 million soldiers (127 divisions with solid combat experience), 4 thousand tanks, 4 thousand aircraft, almost 40 thousand guns and mortars - all this was concentrated to strike . In total, the Wehrmacht had over 7 million people, and this, without exaggeration, was at that time the best land army in the world. Is something like that now confronting Russia in Ukraine?
              1. 0
                28 March 2023 19: 00
                It’s necessary from such a country, through the efforts of half-witted people, they did it, as in the old saying - Maxim died, well, to hell with him, they put him in a coffin, his mother in .....
            4. +4
              28 March 2023 19: 38
              No tension in almost everything.
              Let's take the period of 1941-1945 as a starting point.

              Somehow you contradict yourself.
              "Beh tension" is, perhaps, a storm in the desert. Without mobilization, repair of old equipment ...
              And 41-45 is a fight against SUPERIOR forces ...
              Here are the conclusions - a brilliant offensive by small forces (as you say), allowed the country with a ruined economy and army to hold on while our dear Western partners rearm it.
              And do not strain to fight - why? Why fight without straining? Play?
          2. -1
            28 March 2023 15: 12
            In my opinion, the only ally of the PRC is Pakistan, with which they have concluded a strategic cooperation agreement for a period of 5 years
        3. +8
          28 March 2023 11: 21
          [quote Well, really. Who needs an ally like Russia? Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.
          Indeed, who needs an ally who can do so "little [/ quote]
          The president has a monopoly on optimism and uplifting speeches. What he says like this is understandable, such is the work. And you Sergey can not bother.
        4. +26
          28 March 2023 11: 34
          Quote: SergeyB
          Well, really. Who needs an ally like Russia? Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.

          How tired this stupid tale that we are at war with Nata ... Nata does not fight, she provides assistance. Weapons, equipment, advisers, volunteers. But Nata hasn't even started yet (s).
          In this logic of yours, in the period from 2014 to February 2022, dill without any tension at all, with just a few brigades, fought with all the economic and military power of the ENTIRE Russian Federation on the territory of the LDNR.
          But when we really came to the war, it all came to light. Both biathlons and analogues, spring showed who pooped where ...
        5. -7
          28 March 2023 12: 08
          Sergey. why you were downvoted is not clear to me. The article is a habitual whining on a given topic. It turns out between us, I quote: "relations between the mother country and the colony-raw material appendage". But the heads of hegemonic countries do not make their first visit to the colony. For example, President Biden made his first visit to the UK. I agree that today's Britain is an appendage, but by no means a raw material one, and by no means a colony. Well, Biden is an old grandfather Let's take Trump. This one made his first visit immediately to the Saudis (then allies)), to Israel, and then to the meetings of the Seven and to NATO - that is, to the allies. The author claims that the visit was evaluative, they say, Xi himself wanted to make sure what Russia is capable of, is nonsense! China has a huge embassy in Moscow with a mass of agents who give truthful and verified information about the current situation in Russia, in any case, more complete information than, judging by this article, the author has. production of military vehicles of the Russian Federation to China.The author, I remember, smashed the order of supplying bulletproof vests during mobilization, he complained that they give "Chinese shit" to those mobilized as bulletproof vests . So where is the truth? Everything is relative. In terms of pipeline gas supplies to China, the Russian Federation is in second place after Turkmenistan, and in terms of LNG supplies, it is in fourth place, and deliveries increased by 2,6 times over the year. However, the author "forgot about LNG ...", not the format.
          1. +3
            28 March 2023 14: 43
            Considering how the Chinese bought Africa and Latinos in the bud, I have three points that make me nervous
            - Vova currently has no alternative how to become a completely dependent raw material appendage of China by issuing it under a new bond - the Chinese and I are brothers forever
            - accelerating the flight of the population from the south of Primorye Vladik Nakhodka Spassk Ussuriysk ... in 30 years a third of the population fled
            - this is too big and pragmatic neighbor is gaining momentum very quickly ....
            I share the author’s anxious thoughts that at such a pace we will very soon become a Chinese gas station at a discount and further sinicization of the Far East
            1. +3
              28 March 2023 15: 57
              Quote from Sadam2
              further sinicization of the Far East
              There are a lot of Chinese goods on two, but the Chinese themselves, on the contrary, are few
              Worked in the Khabarovsk Territory, saw
              1. +5
                28 March 2023 17: 09
                Post truth. "Circumstances in which objective facts are less significant in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotions and subjective convictions." I quote: "Vladik Nakhodka Spassk Ussuriysk ... in 30 years a third of the population fled."
                Facts: Vladivostok - 1991 - population 648000 people, 2020 - 606560 people. - decrease by 7%, Ussuriysk, 1991 - 160892 people, 2022 - 172032 people, increase by 7%, the population of Nakhodka has decreased by 30% over 9,3 years. That is, everywhere except Ussuriysk - a decrease is observed, but by a third! looked at the dynamics over the years The decrease in the population in Vladivostok falls on the 90s. So take any city in European Russia at this time there is a decrease too. Special thanks to Comrade Gaidar. There is no dispute. The climate in the Krasnodar Territory is milder than in Primorye, where, judging by the media, either a typhoon or a snowstorm. As for the number of Chinese there, I can’t say anything - I didn’t see it. But if desired, in plank-like times, if desired, he could inflate panic. Take you train stations, even in Moscow, even in St. Petersburg - in the evenings, only Chinese crowded there. They even got into Vladimir and bought all the Pyaterochka there !!!
                1. +6
                  28 March 2023 17: 48
                  it can be simpler, according to general statistics: Khabarovsk Territory (population) 1993 - 1 people; 600 - 000, which is "-2023%" is not a third, but a fifth of minus.
                  Primorsky Krai: 1993 - 2; 300 - 000, which is "-2023%".. total. Not minus a third of the population, but not minus 1% like yours .. but -820% is also a lot ...
                  1. +2
                    29 March 2023 03: 50
                    The population of large cities in the Far East, however, has declined to a lesser extent compared to small towns and workers' settlements.
                2. +9
                  28 March 2023 18: 15
                  you know best from Moscow. almost all of my classmates who had the opportunity fled to Peter Krasnodar. in Nakhodka, for 20 years, production has died - PSRZ NSRZ DALZAVOD BAMR PMP FESCO ... even there are no signs left. a third lived in the Japanese used car industry, died .. one pipe was brought to Kozmino .... in those days they didn’t know what the future was ... but now it’s really alarming what will happen tomorrow ... neither a hectare nor a mortgage will lure here, because there is no future. ..
                  and yes, now there are an order of magnitude fewer Chinese in Nakhodka Vlad than in the XNUMXs ... it has not become profitable ... there are more Uzbeks and Tajiks in the markets
                3. 0
                  April 6 2023 16: 25
                  Agree. Comrade Gaidar is terrible. Six months as prime minister - and such consequences!
                4. 0
                  April 6 2023 16: 28
                  Yesterday I read the demographer Raksha. According to him, the population of Russia is drifting from north to south and from east to west.
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            3. 0
              29 March 2023 11: 36
              These tales about the Chinese in the Far East are already pretty fed up, and this nonsense is mainly carried by people who were not really in the Far East, or were and once saw people of Asian appearance, and began to trumpet about "the dominance of the Chinese." I have been living here for 20 years and there have never been many Chinese here, the peak was in the 90s when there were many Chinese traders and shuttles in the markets, with the growth of the Chinese economy, they disappeared, sometimes tours appear. groups, but that's about it. In Moscow and St. Petersburg, I met much more Chinese than here in the Far East.
            4. 0
              30 March 2023 15: 42
              Quote from Sadam2
              and further sinicization of the Far East

              The Chinese themselves are fleeing from the north. It is unlikely that there will be any sinicization. Stupidly, they will export resources for the development of which Chinese workers will be driven by shifts and that's it. Exactly how it is happening all over the world right now.
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        7. +2
          28 March 2023 21: 29
          Quote: SergeyB
          PART of its armed forces, without much tension, fights against

          Incomprehensible gasket in the form of Ukraine.
          I note in passing that in 1941-1945, the Germans, without any Solidworks and emails, designed new aircraft in a year, built factories at a tremendous pace. Moreover, until 1943 there was no militarization of the economy in the Reich, the production of household goods from "problem" categories continued: cars, radios, hunting rifles.
          Now NATO has not been straining for the urgent construction of the same shell factories for a year now. Whining to the public that this is a long time is not true, shells are a simple thing, but there is machine tool building in Europe, and you can buy part of the production equipment in China. The same with explosives and gunpowder - if necessary, chemical plants would be built in three to five months. But do not rock the boat yet.
          There are no "refugees" mobilized from Europe in the Ukrainian army either. There is also no Polish PMC with convict personnel.
          The conclusion is simple and sad - the West has not even begun to strain.
        8. +1
          29 March 2023 15: 54
          Home
        9. -1
          30 March 2023 01: 54
          Fights even mobilized against very limited supplies of Western countries. And the vobet is rather unsuccessful.
        10. +1
          April 5 2023 13: 31
          The best analysis of the results of the negotiations between Xi Jingping and V.V. Comrade Girkin gave Putin... "Igor Strelkov
          Today in 11: 43
          A parable in two parts:

          1. A man comes to the doctor:
          - Doctor! My leg is rotting, prescribe me some treatment!
          Doctor (after examining the patient):
          - Dove! Yes, you have a typical lesion as a result of regular drug use! Of course, I can prescribe a medicine and prescribe a course of treatment, but if you don’t stop injecting yourself with Crocodile, you will rot completely! I can recommend you a good narcological clinic with experienced specialists!
          Man:
          - Yes, what are you pouring me?! "Crocodile" is only good for me! I've been pricking it for 20 years already and no problems! And all my friends are spreading to them - we have a close-knit friendly team. What - now, because of the whim of some "pilyulkin" of friends, leave them? I ask you to heal your leg! Will you heal or what?
          - I won't! There's no point if you don't stop injecting foolishness!
          - Oh, you filthy enemy .... (further obscenely in the style of "a la Prigogine").

          2. Vladimir Vladimirovich meets with Comrade Xi:
          - Dear comrade Xi! I have problems: no shells, no gunpowder, no rubber, no UAVs, the production of guns and tanks does not cover the cost even close! Based on our common interests - help!

          Comrade Xi:

          - Dear Vladimir! Of course, I can give you everything you need and even in abundance. But you have such a wonderful team of associates, capable of, if not stealing, then losing literally everything that they got under their leadership, that I am afraid to hand over such valuable things to you ... After all, if they are used incorrectly and, most importantly, use them to no avail, then there will be no profit for me in the end it will not, but the losses will certainly be very large! Here you should update your personnel a little ... In China - this, this and that one, in uniform - would have been shot a long time ago. And that one - with the horse-like face of a drunken drunk and these five - would have been imprisoned for life. And then there are those who ... However, I can tell you - who should be recruited in their place in order to establish a military economy and dramatically increase the effectiveness of military operations.

          - Stop-stop-stop, dear comrade Xi! I didn’t ask for advice on who to change for whom! I have people around me who are proven, trusted, I know them all for 30-40 years. Even in the Ozero cooperative and in the St. Petersburg commercial port, it used to be that they drank money ... that is, they mastered it together! They are friends to me and I don’t exchange homies for shells for the army! And it’s not for you to judge how effective they are, you just don’t understand a lot, it’s different ... You better give me gunpowder, rubber, machine tools, shells, UAVs and everything else - here is a list of 100500 positions. And I’ll give you cheap oil, gas, timber, well, everything that interests you here. Do you give or don't you?

          - Sorry, Vladimir, but on such conditions and with such your friends, I can not give anything. Please accept on behalf of me and the entire Chinese people the best wishes and assurances of the widest moral support!

          - Mmm... ???

          - Sami! All by yourself!"
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          Quote: SergeyB
          Well, really. Who needs an ally like Russia?
    2. +36
      28 March 2023 06: 10
      in the coming decades, China will interact with Russia exclusively as a partner, without forceful pressure
      In the coming decades, China will interact with Russia like a good farmer with a cash cow.
      1. +15
        28 March 2023 06: 18
        like a good owner with a cash cow.

        "How much milk does a cow give?
        - If you don’t milk it in a day, your hand will get tired.
        1. +15
          28 March 2023 06: 32
          "And if there is someone who cares and undead,
          So this is only the one who will slaughter later "(C)
          1. +6
            28 March 2023 07: 32
            China, which has two gorgeous allies, the army and navy,

            4 allies:
            The Communist Party, the army, the navy and the second (first) economy in the world.
            1. +3
              28 March 2023 07: 52
              Quote: Civil
              China, which has two gorgeous allies, the army and navy,

              4 allies:
              The Communist Party, the army, the navy and the second (first) economy in the world.

              There are two main ones (CPC and economic potential), only thanks to them China has achieved such results without using the PLA so far ...
            2. -3
              28 March 2023 11: 35
              Quote: Civil
              4 allies:

              5 allies. The nuclear component was forgotten.
              1. -4
                28 March 2023 22: 06
                And a lard, with a tail of slaves who created all these nishtyaki. Communist Party, real? I do not believe.
            3. +3
              28 March 2023 21: 33
              Quote: Civil
              The Communist Party, the army, the navy and the second (first) economy in the world

              Plus executions of officials!
              Good copiers, but very unimportant developers - this is the current status of China.

              By the way, the Chinese understand the root of this problem, and have made English so obligatory and of high quality in their schools that the Chinese from different provinces, who have different dialects, switch to English when they meet. With further deepening of linguistics, as soon as the generation of Chinese engineers who think in English since childhood grows up, the whole world will get sick. Simply because, according to the law of large numbers, there will be quite a lot of inventors among the 1,5 billion Chinese.
              Quote: AKuzenka
              tired of talking about the readiness of the Russian Federation to adopt nuclear weapons to protect its interests. As long as the property, children and money are there, not a single nuclear charge will leave the storage bases for use against the enemy

              They forgot the main and key factor - the luxury goods used by Russian officials are made in Europe. From cars and clocks to floor tiles and stained glass doors, everything is European. And officials understand that after a nuclear strike, none of the survivors will sell them anything for any money.
              1. -2
                28 March 2023 21: 38
                Quote: eule
                the whole world will get sick. Just because, according to the law of large numbers, there will be quite a lot of inventors among the 1,5 billion Chinese

                Oh. And the monkey chained to sewing typewriter, someday (for 100 - 1000 years) will print "War and Peace". According to the law of large numbers. Well, or die sooner. Let's live - we'll see Yes
                1. +1
                  30 March 2023 15: 46
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Oh. And the monkey, chained to a sewing typewriter, someday (for 100 - 1000 years) will print "War and Peace". By the law of large numbers. Well, or die sooner. Let's live - we'll see

                  Humans are not monkeys. So really, in this regard, the Chinese have crazy potential. But is it possible to implement it. I hope that our fools will not let China get ahead much. Nor will the United States help defeat China.
      2. +11
        28 March 2023 07: 23
        and it’s too early to put a tick on the account of the territorial issue)))
        1. "The Heilongjiang River is the mother of the Chinese northern peoples." The purpose of the exposition is to provide visitors with information about the historical belonging of the Chinese side of the lands concentrated in the basin of the river. Amur.
        2. “The Heilongjiang River Basin in the XNUMXth century. and the Russian-Chinese "Nerchinsk Treaty" - coverage of the facts of the intervention by the Cossacks of Tsarist Russia against the indigenous peoples of the Far East (Mongols, Evenks, Daurs, Orochons, Manchus, Nanais, etc.) and the signing of the above agreement in the interests of protecting China's state sovereignty .
        3. "The Heilongjiang River Basin in the XNUMXth - XNUMXth Centuries." - fostering feelings of patriotism based on the demonstration of information on the socio-economic development of Aihui, despite the "intervention" of Russia in the internal affairs of the Qing Empire.
        4. “Heilongjiang in the second half of the 1858th century. and the Sino-Russian "Aigun Treaty" - the presentation of materials confirming the ambiguous nature of the concluded international acts (Aigun (1860), Beijing (1881), Ili (XNUMX), as a result of which Chinese territories were torn away in favor of Russia .
        5. "The Russian catastrophe of 1900" - focusing on the facts of the forced expulsion of residents of 64 Manchurian villages located on the territory of the modern Amur region.
    3. +7
      28 March 2023 06: 43
      There is another "but", namely the readiness to use nuclear weapons in the Ukrainian context, of course, at the tactical level. And how about this? The West openly says that the Russian Federation will not use it, read - it will be afraid to use it, respectively, the supply of Ukraine will continue without regard to the presence of this very military atom in Russia.
      Well, what's the point of having a big club that you only scare, but won't use?
      I ask my opponents to replace, I'm not talking about the expediency of using it or about the consequences, but that they are sure that the tactical atom will not be used, which means that we can ignore it.
      There is no question of strategic nuclear weapons.
      1. +5
        28 March 2023 12: 34
        There is another "but", namely the readiness to use nuclear weapons in the Ukrainian context, of course, at the tactical level. And how about this? The West openly says that the Russian Federation will not use it, read - it will be afraid to use it, respectively, the supply of Ukraine will continue without regard to the presence of this very military atom in Russia.
        Honestly, I'm already tired of talking about the readiness of the Russian Federation to adopt nuclear weapons to protect its interests. As long as the property, children and money are there, not a single nuclear charge will leave the storage bases for use against the enemy. And "to promise does not mean to marry." They understand this very well and I am sure that the statements of officials will definitely use them in their propaganda and whipping up Russophobic hysteria.
    4. +9
      28 March 2023 07: 06
      Quote: Proxima
      Everything is gloomy in this article, of course, but there is a small "but", in a military confrontation with the use of nuclear weapons, China is not Russia's rival at all from the word "no way". Russia in terms of nuclear weapons, together with carriers, is ORDER superior to the Celestial Empire. Hence the conclusion: in the coming decades, China will interact with Russia exclusively as a partner, without forceful pressure. Thank you anyway.

      According to US intelligence, China is now radically increasing the number of nuclear weapons. For several years now, missile silos and nuclear submarines have been growing like mushrooms after rain.
      1. 0
        30 March 2023 15: 50
        Quote: BlackMokona
        According to US intelligence, China is now radically increasing the number of nuclear weapons. For several years now, missile silos and nuclear submarines have been growing like mushrooms after rain.

        If they have hypersound tomorrow, then everything will become very dull for us. China, in principle, does not care if the state of Russia exists or not. On occasion, they will quietly share resources with the United States.
    5. +15
      28 March 2023 07: 12
      Given that China is building giant position areas, developing new delivery systems, and given its gigantic production capabilities, the situation with nuclear weapons could change dramatically in just the next five years.
      Although, of course, from the point of view of obtaining raw materials, it is much more profitable for the Chinese when we do this "voluntarily and with a song" than taking it for ourselves.
      1. 0
        30 March 2023 15: 51
        Quote: U. Cheny
        the situation with nuclear weapons may change dramatically in just the next five years.

        And here the question arises of how much we have left before China becomes militarily independent from us.
    6. +2
      28 March 2023 07: 19
      Proxima.

      A nuclear baton? ... The northern peoples celebrate a great need in the field, holding on to a stick, which they prudently carry for various occasions. Fend off wild animals, for example. Our nuclear baton will fight off the neighbors does not help in any way and is unlikely to help, because ...
    7. +7
      28 March 2023 07: 30
      in a military confrontation with the use of nuclear weapons, China is not at all a rival to Russia from the word "no way." Russia in terms of nuclear weapons, together with carriers, is ORDER superior to the Celestial Empire.

      2017 China placed three brigades with DF-41 missiles on combat duty. One of the divisions is already located in the city of Xinyang in the central province of Henan, the second - in the province of Heilongjiang, and the third - in the Xinjiang Uygur region in northwest China.
      Dongfeng-41, DF-41 is a Chinese solid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile designed to deliver nuclear warheads. It is assumed that it has a range of 12 km and carries a multiple warhead containing up to 000 warheads.
      2021 In the region bordering the Russian Transbaikalia, China is implementing an ambitious program to modernize its armed forces. At the same time, American experts suggest that it will soon be able to achieve parity with the United States and Russia in nuclear weapons delivery systems. The PLA has begun construction of silos for intercontinental ballistic missiles in the area of ​​hoshun Hanjin-Qi (杭锦旗) in the Ordos city district in the southwest of the autonomous region of Inner Mongolia adjacent to the Trans-Baikal Territory. Nuclear weapons experts have identified two other large staging areas that could accommodate more than 200 ICBMs capable of delivering nuclear warheads. Completed 2022
      2020 At the new production facility in Huludao, PRC may be able to produce up to two SSN-class (type 093) and one SSBN-class (type 093) per year, that is, the PLA Navy may have up to 2030 SSNs by 24 and 14 SSBN submarines. The new construction workshops and dry dock at Huludao will be used to build new nuclear submarines. It is expected to be an entirely new Type 095 class of submarine that could be China's answer to the Virginia class. Experts say that new submarines of the 095 and 096 types will be built there. China needs them to patrol the open part of the Pacific Ocean or regularly enter the Indian Ocean.

      Note. Unlike the United States and Russia, China keeps secret information about its strategic nuclear forces. According to long-outdated information, China had 350 nuclear warheads. But after the veiled US threats of a preventive nuclear strike against China several years ago, the country's leadership concluded that China should have nuclear parity with the US and, as we see, is successfully implementing its nuclear program.
      1. +11
        28 March 2023 08: 01
        But nothing more than what was said was not to be expected. By the way, in China itself, the visit was treated quite casually like this. That is, there was no such brutal hype as we have in the media. At all.
        and for the sake of what they are there to arrange joy and hype. we don’t pull on a “superpower” anymore, (except for nuclear weapons), our troops “showed themselves”, everyone stopped being afraid abruptly, here are China’s interests, we have consumables. purely trade. .
    8. +15
      28 March 2023 08: 20
      Quote: Proxima
      Hence the conclusion: in the coming decades, China will interact with Russia exclusively as a partner, without power pressure

      And why push something, if the country has already become completely dependent on China? Without Chinese imports, everything will collapse. Our industry will no longer be able to work without Chinese machine tools, technology, electronics and other components. And our cellular networks with the departure of Western partners will be able to work only with the help of China.

      China is the crutch without which our import-substituting industry simply cannot survive.
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    10. +20
      28 March 2023 08: 38
      in a military confrontation with the use of nuclear weapons, China is not at all a rival to Russia from the word "no way." Russia in terms of nuclear weapons, together with carriers, is ORDER superior to the Celestial Empire.

      You know, in the light of the revealed circumstances, namely the NWO in Ukraine, you even doubt whether we are superior. Just analogies: they said that our army is an order of magnitude stronger and that we will finish everything there in a couple of days, plus how much they kept saying that the ground forces have a share of new and modernized weapons, at the last moment when I looked at about 60%. As a result - we have been seeing for more than a year. So your grandiloquent statement about the superiority in the ORDER of our Strategic Missile Forces raises doubts in me. Although they say there about the "Perimeter" (Dead Hand) system, I also very much doubt its performance, given the powerful dismantling of military and industrial power that has taken place since 1985. But I don’t want to be convinced of my doubts or make mistakes, let the Strategic Missile Forces calmly serve.
    11. -2
      28 March 2023 08: 42
      Quote: Proxima
      Everything is of course gloomy in this article, but there is a small "but"

      I will add that there are a lot of such "buts". China needs Russia in the same capacity as Ukraine for the United States, i.e. in the form of a battering ram against the West. Of course, this is not good for us, but we will have any kind of support from China. By and large, we only need time and the desire to launch the industry "at the top". If China trades this time for us, then it's not bad.
    12. +14
      28 March 2023 08: 51
      The article is good and true to the point. Trade turnover with China is already said to have exceeded the bar of 50%, if this is true, then this is already economic dependence. There is no talk of any diversification of trade, and this is sad.
    13. +1
      28 March 2023 09: 08
      “China, which has two gorgeous allies, the army and the navy ...” - why is there such confidence that they are worth something in the Roman battle, especially the Air Force and Navy ??

      —- China is not an ally of Russia - it doesn’t write about it only as they say ... but in fact - a lot of words about the obvious: is there an agreement on mutual assistance? - there's no such thing. Roman could have ended on this .. without “forgetting” the help to Syria and even to Kazakhstan, and he could not twist the words of Xi Putin: “Now there are changes that have not happened for a hundred years. When we are together, we MOVING these changes" ... and not vectorless "... and we will work on them together."

      —-I think that China needs Putin's Russia, no less. Why? 1.Because China is in fact not known as a warrior country. Ground forces - still possible. And the Air Force, the Navy - they never sniffed gunpowder from the word. The Chinese ALWAYS, ALWAYS, when speaking about Russia, emphasize and emphasize that this country is a warrior, that the Russians are a warlike people. China has a lot to learn from Russia in wars, victories and defeats (unfortunately). 2. China's military strategy is based on economic power (those very brand new and printed "chic Army and Navy") according to the principle of Sun Tzu: "the best victory is victory without a fight" ... crush with a mass, amount of weapons and military equipment so that the enemy does not even have hope for a miracle ... And who will be China's military advisers in the event of a serious armed conflict with America, where victory before the battle is impossible??? Only Russia!! 3. And finally, because the defeat of Russia (save and save!!!) is the establishment of a pro-Western, read pro-American regime in the rear of China ... with all the consequences

      —- So yes, China is not an ally, it will not fight in the NWO, and it will not help to circumvent sanctions until Russia wins. And China's plan for a peaceful settlement is not relevant now.

      —-And in general, why did you have to break into open doors: you know that China and Russia are bound by a “comprehensive strategic partnership”, and not allied relations in a military alliance, fixed by a treaty.

      —- Let me remind you, and you know, this includes what is important for Russia's greatness, which has changed and directed the international agenda since 2007 - a commonality of strategic principles: 1. Non-interference in the internal affairs of countries 2. Multipolarity, and not the global dictate of international norms established by America, including including the promotion of democracy and human rights according to Western patterns 3. The indivisibility of the security of states, the security of one country at the expense of the loss of security by others is unacceptable. 4.Rejection of military alliances, NATO and QUAD, AUKUS, etc. including between China and Russia.

      —-IN RESULT: This is a comprehensive strategic partnership. And the mutual necessity of Putin's Russia and Xi's China is a chronic pain of the West with more frequent attacks of hallucinations.
    14. -1
      28 March 2023 11: 51
      Where is the "order" from? In China, there were officially 600 strategic nuclear warheads in Russia, this figure fluctuates around 1700 +/- 150. And parity with the United States is limited to 2400-2500 by START treaties. China is not limited by treaties, and therefore who knows how many warheads it really has. In addition, somewhere else in the 16th year, some launchers were moved to the borders of Russia.
    15. -2
      28 March 2023 19: 19
      An article about how "everything is bad"!
      But it must be taken into account that the Chinese delegation arrived with almost the entire composition of the state administration. So they don’t visit vassals ...

      Let's compare the simultaneous trip of the Japanese Prime Minister to Kyiv. He interrupted his visit to India - and rode at the direction of the overseas overlord. This is a national humiliation for Japan. Without politeness and large delegations - just for the photo. To annoy the Chinese, "send a signal" in Blinken. China did not fail to ridicule this visit. That the big players are at the table, and the little things - what to take from them ...

      China is no less interested in Russia than Russia is in China. Just interests are different, you need to balance them.

      The Chinese leader said in front of the camera on the sidelines that something is happening that has not happened for 100 years (symbolism about changing formations). And then many fidgeted ... And the order poured!

      And when we are told that China will rob us... Whether it will be so or not is not clear. And the West plundered for 30 years and continues! So it's best to look ahead with a healthy dose of optimism. We do not need a new world order led by the United States. This means that we are for a multipolar world. And there is a place for Russia in it.
      1. -1
        30 March 2023 16: 04
        Quote: RealPilot
        This means that we are for a multipolar world.

        Do not your words seem nonsense to you, given the economic weight of China?
    16. +2
      28 March 2023 19: 31
      Russia in terms of nuclear weapons, together with carriers, is ORDER superior to the Celestial Empire.

      Are you so sure about this???
      I, like the Americans, would not bet on this ...
    17. +2
      28 March 2023 20: 20
      "" ".... Good copyists, but very unimportant developers - this is China's current status..." ""
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      The article suffers from the author's subjectivity and directly breathes antipathy towards China ... Who told the author that nonsense that supposedly the Chinese are unimportant developers of equipment and technologies ??? Who?? Is it Skomorokhov who so much wants to pass off his desires as reality ??? Or, willy-nilly, he decided to pour water on the mill of the West in order to BLAME China in front of the Russian public??? And can (or does he want ...?) Skomorokhov to clearly explain the true PURPOSE of his article, when relations between the Russian Federation and China are at their peak - and both powers are striving TOGETHER and shoulder to shoulder to repel the ALREADY STARTED hybrid war of the West against both of them ??? It would be nice to REMIND Skomorokhov that Russia has a lot of useful and effective things to learn, learn and learn from China both in the economy and in the tax sphere and (most IMPORTANTLY ...) - in the CRUEL PUNISHMENT of corrupt officials, embezzlers and their sponsored leaders of organized crime groups in tattoos ... Or is it unprofitable for Skomorokhov to see that China has proven to the WEST the effectiveness of its social system and state. management???
    18. 0
      28 March 2023 20: 39
      The West is Russia's ENEMY and now ALL Russia sees the cave Russophobia and the impudence of the West in Ukraine ... Skomorokhov should remember this ... And China is now a FRIEND for Russia and if the Skomorokhovs do not like it, then this is their problem ...
      The inadequate reaction of some Western countries to the decision to deploy Russian tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus is puzzling, follows from a statement by Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova. Everything is in the spirit of the classic joke:
      ⁃ Kum, let's go beat the Muscovites in the face!
      ⁃ And if they beat us?
      ⁃ What are we for?
      The West, unfortunately, at the time of the next collapse of Russia in 1990-1991, firmly believed that it could do anything and nothing would happen to it. Accordingly, every time it turns out that they can still answer him, he is terribly indignant, saying that this is dishonest.

      The hysteria about the deployment of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation on the territory of Belarus is another reminder of this “what do we need?”. Strictly speaking, the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons prohibits the transfer of these weapons to other countries. But let's say the United States of America deploys its nuclear weapons in dozens of European countries, and with any attempt to recall the non-proliferation treaty, they answer: "so we don't give them the right to dispose of these weapons, we just keep them on their territory!". Now we are giving them the same answer. We are not transferring anything to Belarus, we are only placing our weapons on its territory. So the symmetry is complete. By the way, Vladimir Vladimirovich has already mentioned this.

      The only trouble is that our strategic competitors long ago forgot how to operate under conditions of symmetry. For a long time they have been able to operate only in the 3-B mode - the unpunished execution of an unarmed enemy from a safe distance. And every time one of those three Bs disappears, they naturally go into total hysterics."
      1. -3
        28 March 2023 22: 27
        The social system of China, if we discard all the husks, is feudal-bourgeois. In the sense of imperial. As he always was. Only instead of the emperor there is a chairman. And of course, Roman does not like him. Me, for example. Same. Let them either put on underpants or ... Zagrebetniks. Speckul, in law and socialism are not compatible concepts.
        1. -1
          29 March 2023 19: 03
          "" ".... Speculative, in law and socialism are not compatible concepts ...." "
          ---
          Ah, that's how it is .... Can't compromise our principles??? So, in your opinion, embezzlers, bribe-takers and leaders of organized criminal groups are quite compatible with socialism (as in the days of the late USSR). Please tell me why the NEP was introduced in the USSR from 1922 to 1929 ??? Speculum is incompatible with socialism...
          1. -2
            30 March 2023 16: 09
            Quote from Romanovski
            Please tell me why the NEP was introduced in the USSR from 1922 to 1929 ??? Speculum is incompatible with socialism...

            Because Lenin was a genius of dialectics. And you don't understand shit about Marxism. You're just a mediocre pattern maker. What is happening now in China has nothing to do with the NEP. China is a country defeated by capitalism. An imperialist country that has territorial claims to everyone around. A country where there is no planned economy, as all sorts of demagogues like to tell. China is brown, not red. Wipe your eyes and look at the essence, not the label.
    19. -4
      28 March 2023 22: 50
      You are missing one point, but the most important one is MONEY! After all, Russia is a capitalist country, yes, like China itself, in general, no matter how beautiful communist leaflets they print. So, China has a lot of money, and now China has enough money to buy up all the people in Russia who make decisions on how to dispose of Russian nuclear weapons.
      And how money affects the development of a military conflict, we are now seeing in miniature in the Northern Military District, where you can’t hit on “this career”, because it belongs to Deripaska, and you can’t shoot “there” because there is an ammonia pipeline, and touch Odessa it is impossible, because the "respected partners" have a grain deal.
    20. 0
      29 March 2023 11: 44
      It is an order of magnitude superior only on paper, unlike the United States and Russia, China has not signed any inspection agreements, and no one except high-ranking CCP officials knows what is really happening in the field of nuclear weapons. American intelligence agencies now estimate the number of nuclear weapons on combat duty in China at 500+ warheads, in Russia and the United States this number is approximately + - 1600, that is, the difference is only 3 times even in such a conservative estimate. You should also not forget that Russia can be "beheaded" with a nuclear strike just as easily - most of the population lives in the western part of the Russian Federation, and in Siberia and the Far East the population is concentrated in large cities.
    21. +1
      30 March 2023 16: 03
      Quote: Proxima
      in a military confrontation with the use of nuclear weapons, China is not at all a rival to Russia from the word "no way." Russia in terms of nuclear weapons, together with carriers, is ORDER superior to the Celestial Empire. Hence the conclusion: in the coming decades, China will interact with Russia exclusively as a partner, without forceful pressure.

      Quote: Proxima
      the coming decades

      Not decades, but a decade.
      China has set itself, and is fulfilling, the task of bringing its strategic nuclear forces on par with the United States and the Russian Federation. By the end of this decade, they should have 1000 BBs on strategic carriers (the Russian Federation and the United States are allowed 1550 units each). This is towards the end of this decade. And by the middle of the next, they will have at least as much as we have with the United States, or even more. And they are not bound by any framework obligations - they can bring the number of their warheads to strategic nuclear forces at least up to 10.
      So we have 7-10 years of quiet time left. And during this time it is necessary to restore the integrity and self-sufficiency of the economy, strengthen the Army, build the Fleet (and without it in world / maritime trade, nowhere), increase the birth rate and create our own currency zone. On oil / gas trade, such a currency zone cannot be created. We need high-tech trade and an economy of large / deep redistribution. Exclusively on its own territory and on its own. That is - Industrialization-2.
      And Militarization!!
      It is the Militarization of the Economy. Not to the detriment of the economy, but precisely to help, development, as an incentive for the development of technologies. And an aggressive foreign economic and military policy. The Anglo-Saxons and their satellites must feel our teeth and claws on their skin all the time. And our allies and partners will receive from them all the necessary types of weapons, political and military protection.
      Not for free ! But in combination with access to the domestic market, to our own resources, the creation of favorable conditions for investment, joint mutually beneficial projects.
      And do everything assertively, decisively, proactively, and allow ONLY companies with Russian (and not offshore) registration to do this.
      And now it is necessary to get the maximum possible from cooperation with China in terms of the Industrialization-2 project.
      There are plans to increase the volume of mutual trade up to 400 billion dollars. ?
      This means that the balance of such trade should be maintained strictly 50/50, without distortions, and in imports from China, the overwhelming share should be for machinery and technological equipment for new plants and the modernization of old ones.
      1. +2
        31 March 2023 01: 17
        So we have 7-10 years of quiet time left


        Vice versa. 7-15 years will be the most turbulent, as these years will be an active phase of rivalry and possibly conflict between the US and China.

        If the American bloc (USA, Great Britain, Australia, Canada, possibly New Zealand and Mexico) cannot defeat China within this period, then they will be isolated, since there will be no point in competing and even more so fighting against China in 15 years.
        In this scenario, in 7-10 years the American bloc will be strategically independent from the whole world; factories and components of microchips will be all ready and their production volume will be 3-4 times more than that of Taiwan. Also, an industry of a medium technological level (for example, heavy industry) will also be built during this period and it will be enough to not depend on others (the reshoring of high and medium technological production in the United States has grown significantly over the past 2 years and this trend will continue). The rest, with low-added value, production and services will be transferred to Mexico, Latin America, India, Vietnam.
        As a result, if they are defeated for influence in most of Eurasia and Africa by China, then due to an almost technological monopoly (technical, biotech, pharmaceutical, software, AI, aerospace), resources, food, reshoring, they will come out without significant losses.

        If China loses to the American bloc, then not only will all the top production be concentrated in the US, there will still be no competitors in the world.
        The main vulnerability for both China and Europe (old Europe is also a competitor to the American bloc, especially France) is the Middle East.
        It would be stupid for the American bloc not to do something explosive, let's say. So this region is worth keeping an eye on.
        If they are turned, then in this case it will hit the Chinese economy and the EU economy powerfully. China's dependence on gas is second only to the US bloc in the Middle East.
        Oil is number one.
        The same is true in the EU.
        If it blows up there, then the price of gas for 1000 cubic meters will calmly cost both $20 and $000. A barrel of oil for $50. But the most important thing is that there will actually be only one supplier of energy resources - the American bloc. And in this case, not only will it finish off China and the EU economically, but there will also be complete dependence. Not to mention the fact that from this in all countries all capital, top industry, qualified specialists will go to the countries of the American bloc.
        African countries will not help China for the reason that China will not be able to control sea trade routes with its fleet during this period. If anything, these trade routes will be blocked.
        If we talk about Russia, then the entire infrastructure for the extraction of resources will be built only in 10-15 years, if the Chinese are building now, and this is a very long time.

        For the American bloc, 7-15 years is a matter of global influence.
        For China, 7-15 years is a matter of survival.

        After 7-15 years, the tension will start to drop, because by that time it will be obvious who won in the end.
        1. 0
          31 March 2023 10: 10
          Quote: far diu
          Vice versa. 7-15 years will be the most turbulent, as these years will be an active phase of rivalry and possibly conflict between the US and China.

          I meant 7-10 years of calm relations between the Russian Federation and China, when we are united by mutual interest in each other in an effort to survive. If China is not broken over the years, then their interest in the Russian Federation will drop sharply - only one of the resource suppliers and the sales market.
          In all other respects I agree with you.
          At the moment, Russia and China can support each other very well. Russia needs Industrialization-2 (full-cycle import substitution), China needs energy supplies via secure / safe routes, our nuclear umbrella at the time of its breakthrough to nuclear parity, some technologies (defense, aircraft manufacturing). And in the aircraft industry, very good synergy can turn out. Russia has very good engines and aircraft models, while China has traditional problems with engines (resource, reliability), there is a joint project CR-929 - a very promising project funded 50 to 50%. But there are also strong disagreements on it. I think it would be in the interests of Russia to organize the construction of the CR-929 (possibly under its own index) on its territory, but with mutual cooperation with the PRC. Russia would supply engines and wings for both assembly sites, the Chinese side would supply other components. As a result, both sides would benefit, and the profit from both productions would remain with each side. If it were possible to quickly organize the mass production of world-class civilian aircraft, then this would greatly push both Boeing and Airbus out of the markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America, and would remove them from technical and technological dependence on the US bloc ... And this would hit all production chains and contractors of western viaproducers very hard, which, together with other problems of their finances, economies, societies ... would plunge them deeper into a systemic crisis. Making everything less competitive.
          Way out of the crisis for the Anglo-Saxons and Co. - war or coups in enemy countries. So far, the coups have not gone, the war ... they are not ready for it. Bye . And they are afraid of a nuclear denouement.
          This means that we have 10 years of military conflicts ahead of us, attempts at coups in border countries and military preparations. Defense concerns come first. As well as solving the problems of economic and technological independence and self-sufficiency.
          And in the towers it’s not Stalin’s people’s commissars at all ...
  3. +3
    28 March 2023 05: 20
    instead of European beads and mirrors, we will receive Chinese
    no one is preparing Russia for a different fate, except as a gas station country.
    Russia is destined for the role of a fellow traveler-supplier
    For this, Xi came to check the technical condition ....
    1. +12
      28 March 2023 08: 53
      ABOUT! A very apt expression characterizing Xi's visit: "I came to check the condition of the gas station." Well said. hi
  4. +5
    28 March 2023 05: 21
    That notorious drawing of red, burgundy and purple lines in endless quantities.

    "A-ha-ha-ha, what kind of abstract art is this?
    - Artist, can you question our rednecks at least a piece of skin? I had to take from one black man, an organ for transplantation. "(c)
  5. +14
    28 March 2023 05: 22
    Yes, Roman, this is true. Fact. China needs us as a supplier of energy resources. If fifteen years ago we still supplied something high-tech - aviation, engines, now the Chinese do not need it. There can be no talk of any union
    1. 0
      29 March 2023 11: 46
      As if the West needed Russia not as a supplier of energy resources and "brains" when the most successful scientists were lured to the West. Well, the fact that so little was done with money from resources and there was no fight against the brain drain - these are already questions for the government.
  6. +10
    28 March 2023 05: 24
    This should have been foreseen ... Russia missed its opportunity.
  7. -12
    28 March 2023 05: 46
    And what kind of union is Russia looking for? No, they said two hundred times - an equal partnership.
    We will not sell raw materials - others will, the author thinks there is no one to sell?
    What are we not selling to Europe now? Gas, oil? We sell, only through intermediaries and 3 times more expensive. And what's wrong with selling what we have a lot of?
    1. +22
      28 March 2023 05: 56
      Quote: Serge Boss
      And what kind of union is Russia looking for? No, they said two hundred times - an equal partnership.
      We will not sell raw materials - others will, the author thinks there is no one to sell?
      What are we not selling to Europe now? Gas, oil? We sell, only through intermediaries and 3 times more expensive. And what's wrong with selling what we have a lot of?

      And then. The fact that the final product or product of deep processing will always be more expensive than raw materials. Such a scheme is possible only if the country also sells something abroad in large quantities. Accordingly, the population of Russia will ALWAYS be poorer than the West and China, respectively, the best will leave (scientists, engineers), the country will degrade, etc. And the result of all this is what is happening now. Russia has a huge territory, a lot of resources, but economically we are simply insignificant compared to the West and China and India. Our population is poor and does not correspond to the size of the country. Here is the actual result ... Vote for Putin in 2024, you understand that the country is big, and for almost 25 years it was not enough for him to raise the country from its knees. Now it will definitely work. PS. China in 30 years has become what it is now .... Draw your conclusions, comrades.
      1. -22
        28 March 2023 06: 35
        Do you lack processed products? Here you are poor, have you scraped the bottom of the barrel on the Internet? Are you looking to the west? Not tired? You go to India and see how the people "richly" live there. And in China? Probably already it is possible to shout "zazhralis". And their territories are all mastered, and they don’t climb out of tourist trips in retirement. How tired of these lamentations "pissed off all the polymers" to the point of nausea.
        The Arabs sell their oil and gas and don't really care. Have you heard of Norway? There is no larger gas station in the world, and they do not worry about living.
        I'm not saying that we don't have problems, we have, and many. And there is a war, but it will end soon, and for whom to vote, I will ask you last. So draw your conclusions comrades.
        1. +5
          28 March 2023 07: 08
          Quote: Serge Boss
          Do you lack processed products? Here you are poor, have you scraped the bottom of the barrel on the Internet? Are you looking to the west? Not tired? You go to India and see how the people "richly" live there. And in China? Probably already it is possible to shout "zazhralis". And their territories are all mastered, and they don’t climb out of tourist trips in retirement. How tired of these lamentations "pissed off all the polymers" to the point of nausea.
          The Arabs sell their oil and gas and don't really care. Have you heard of Norway? There is no larger gas station in the world, and they do not worry about living.
          I'm not saying that we don't have problems, we have, and many. And there is a war, but it will end soon, and for whom to vote, I will ask you last. So draw your conclusions comrades.

          The Arabs also invested oil and gas revenues in their country, in tourism, in infrastructure, and the population there is small and they do not claim world leadership. In addition to oil, Norway produces many goods for export that are in demand (fertilizers, software, clothing, weapons, ships, etc.) in general, it is enough for them to have one of the highest living standards in the world, and not salaries and pensions 200- 500$. It is dollars, because we buy imported goods for the currency that we receive from the sale of our goods for export (oil, gas, timber, ore) and other goods with a low limit. That is why we cannot talk with the rest on an equal footing, we simply have nothing to offer either China or India. They can also buy resources from others, but now Putin simply has no choice, because the budget has already begun to crumble, in a year it will be much worse, and just on the eve of the elections. That's the way it is, comrades.
          1. -2
            28 March 2023 12: 07
            "....and they don't claim world leadership" That's exactly why a country with 2% of GDP, technologically backward, suddenly felt like a superpower and the pole of the world. Because nuclear weapons are in bulk and the territory is large?
        2. +10
          28 March 2023 08: 11
          Quote: Serge Boss
          The Arabs sell their oil and gas and don't really care. Have you heard of Norway? There is no larger gas station in the world, and they do not worry about living.

          look at the map, then at the volumes, and at the population ok? maybe you'll be wiser after that.
        3. +9
          28 March 2023 10: 16
          Quote: Serge Boss
          Here you are poor, have you scraped the bottom of the barrel on the Internet?

          Don't sleep, citizen. At the beginning of the XNUMXs, a mobile phone cost two salaries. Since then, the Chinese have filled up everyone with phones and computers. They baked more than hot cakes. Personally, I have an accer laptop, a huawei phone. Everything that the Internet provides in Russia is an import. China is already ahead of us in terms of salaries. Yes, they even spit on cigarettes that they produce in Russia. And when will this war end? It's been over a year now, in case you haven't noticed.
          1. +1
            28 March 2023 23: 12
            In terms of salaries, who is China ahead of us? Managers? It’s possible. It’s also very free for speculators. Well, they don’t forget government servicemen. Workers do not complain about fat
            1. 0
              28 March 2023 23: 26
              By average wages. Do we have few speculators with managers? They earn more workers.
            2. 0
              30 March 2023 16: 17
              Quote: Essex62
              Workers do not complain about fat

              Reassured. And when they complain about the fat from you, the trail is gone. The problem is that people like you are never responsible for blatant lies and demagoguery. This is a really serious problem now in Russia.
        4. 0
          April 6 2023 16: 40
          The Arabs are just steaming. Google the Vision-2030 project, for example
      2. +17
        28 March 2023 06: 55
        25 years was not enough for him to raise the country from its knees

        Comrade Stalin received real power around 1930. We add 23 years - in the courtyard of 1953. Shall we compare the achievements over the terms of the boards? This is all we need to be guided by when assessing the results of the life of the adored guarantor, and most importantly, our future prospects.
        1. +13
          28 March 2023 07: 49
          Comrade Stalin received real power around 1930.
          Even if you take from 1917 and add 23, the results are the same. And if you add another 10 years and compare the 33 years of the existence of the Russian Federation and the USSR, the result is not in favor of modern Russia
          1. +8
            28 March 2023 11: 49
            And if you remember how our powers that be used to whine, on the topic that nothing was produced in the USSR and everything was bad. That was from the formation of the USSR, from December 1922, and this was a country that went through WWI, Citizenship, etc. , i.e., in fact, the country was in a worse position than Russia after the 90s, after 33 years, it was a nuclear superpower that defeated the most powerful army in the world - the Third Reich, along with its allies. And overtook the economic indicators of the pre-war already by 1947. So yes, certain conclusions must be drawn.
        2. -1
          28 March 2023 10: 49
          Quote: paul3390
          our future prospects.

          The prospects for life are very gloomy, -
          I will solve the urgent question:
          I will die under a country train,
          Smiling between the wheels.

          The evil abyss will open,
          A great man will die
          And the ladies, seeing the coffin,
          They will understand that the handsome man is dead ...
          hi
      3. 0
        29 March 2023 11: 51
        That's right, if Russia itself does not care about its scientific and technological development, then why would Westerners and Chinese see it as something more than a source of resources? Russia had all the makings for development and even still has it, although there are more and more problems with demography already. But if you sit like this for another 10-15 years, then this train will also leave.
      4. -1
        30 March 2023 16: 15
        Quote from Tommy Calhoun
        Vote for Putin in 2024, you understand that the country is big, and for almost 25 years it was not enough for him to raise the country from its knees. Now it will definitely work

        And for whom to vote? There is no one on the horizon yet. Not even like that. There are no left or right forces. And there is a degrading economy, a demographic catastrophe and hungry strong neighbors.
        1. -1
          30 March 2023 16: 45
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          And for whom to vote? There is no one on the horizon yet. Not even like that. There are no left or right forces. And there is a degrading economy, a demographic catastrophe and hungry strong neighbors.

          I would vote for General Ivashov. Only the Central Election Commission was against it.
  8. -1
    28 March 2023 06: 09
    Allies are always needed. But as long as China has commercial issues, it will not voice other issues. What prevents us from developing like China? They didn't start from there. Whatever you start with, that's how it will go.
    1. +12
      28 March 2023 07: 10
      What prevents us from developing like China?

      Basic prerequisites. We have capitalism, and the capitalist is only interested in the loot and goodies that he can get for them. Therefore, the easiest thing for the Russian bourgeoisie is to sell as much of the great Soviet heritage as possible, bring the loot to the West and dump it there yourself. For this is the simplest and most effective method to realize the dream of Ostap Ibragimovich to walk around Rio de Janeiro in white pants. Well, in such situations, who needs to bother with some kind of production in the Russian Federation? The current government is the usual thieves and hucksters, whose goals and aspirations are extremely banal and primitive - a luxurious life for your loved one. The rest is up to the pager.

      In China, the Communist Party is in power. Which steadily oppresses its own - the construction of socialism. Capitalism for her - just a tool to obtain the necessary economic basis. Hence the difference in results.
      1. -1
        28 March 2023 08: 28
        And where did he come from?
        From Mars?
        No - he is the flesh of the flesh of the people!
        The one who is lucky
        And who was ready for luck too
        And 99,99% of those who are now lamenting having risen will behave in exactly the same way.
        And not rising in response to criticism to shout - what, you don’t have enough to devour
        And supposedly everyone is happy, everyone laughs
        The people interfere with us, the population
        1. 0
          28 March 2023 23: 20
          Lucky. However, you have an original idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe origin of the Russian bourgeoisie. Although, somewhere you are right, whoever was sitting on what, having a mercenary vein, then grabbed it. Everything is just blood, crime. How else?
      2. -2
        30 March 2023 16: 21
        Quote: paul3390
        Which steadily oppresses its own - the construction of socialism.

        But so far, for some reason, it turns out the cruel exploitation of the ordinary Chinese, a gigantic stratification in income and imperialism seasoned with nationalism. Which, apparently by inertia, is called "socialism with Chinese characteristics."
        1. 0
          30 March 2023 16: 57
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          But so far, for some reason, it turns out the cruel exploitation of an ordinary Chinese

          You should talk to our employees of the Chinese Hawala, what kind of exploitation is there. And all with our tacit consent. With a much higher salary of ordinary Chinese workers versus ours, who received 30 thousand. One could not stand the pace, but he filled his foreman's face, did not have time, asked for an assistant, and he only whinnied in response. By the way, as they say, the Chinese leadership was ready to pay ours more than the average for the region.
  9. +12
    28 March 2023 06: 11
    Total:
    We are too weak in the eyes of China
    Yes, and in their own eyes, it does not look at all as we would like! This is not obvious or necessary for everyone, I hope that a large / significant part of society understands this!
    And now what??? And you need to work on yourself, correct the mistakes of previous years! Of course, we should have started doing this the day before yesterday, but... we should start now.
    To wonder why and why we made mistakes earlier ... you can, of course, even need to, but only in order not to make them, again and again! soldier
    1. +4
      28 March 2023 10: 13
      — Dad, what is the difference between tasks and problems? - The task is when you need to hit the target, and the problem is when they try to hit you.

      I would like to understand - do we have tasks before the country or do we already have problems? what
      1. 0
        28 March 2023 11: 28
        Our task is not to create problems for ourselves.
        1. -1
          28 March 2023 23: 27
          Viktor, talk to the youth. Ask them what tasks they want to solve. You can only get out of the swamp by a general "exit from the comfort zone." And the system needs such an uncomfortable one in order to correct the 30-year-old stagnation. Well, like the Stalinist mobilization economy. Do you find a lot of applicants?
  10. +1
    28 March 2023 06: 23
    Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
    Allies are always needed. But as long as China has commercial issues, it will not voice other issues. What prevents us from developing like China? They didn't start from there. Whatever you start with, that's how it will go.

    Yes, there are a lot of obstacles. Corruption, expensive loans, lack of key technologies (electronics), lack of sales markets, and those that are insolvent, the domestic market is small and insolvent, state. corporations that have proven that they cannot be compared with private ones (Roskosmos vs SpaceX), etc. You can list endlessly what is stopping us. This has already been said a thousand times at all levels, but nothing has changed in 20 years. What needs to happen for something to change?
    1. +11
      28 March 2023 06: 43
      state corporations that have proven that they are no match for private
      Why are you comparing our state corporation with their private company? You better tell me what our breakthrough private trader did? Maybe he built an emobile factory? And now there is a huge demand for them? Oh, no .. private Russian business has raised the aircraft industry from oblivion, the whole world has moved to Russian aircraft? Or maybe some private shipbuilding company is bursting with orders? For different types of products? What branch of the economy has Russian business developed over all these years? Oh! maybe sports? Football clubs are all private in Russia, European football cups are registered in the country, and the national team, the world and European champion, and all thanks to private business .. I don’t argue, there are a lot of cafes and hairdressers ..
      1. +1
        28 March 2023 07: 00
        Quote: parusnik
        Oh, no .. private Russian business raised from oblivion, the aircraft industry, the whole world moved to Russian aircraft? Or maybe some private shipbuilding company is bursting with orders? For different types of products?


        Until there is real support and protection for the business, no business of this level will appear, since there is a huge probability that when rising "on the wave of success" you will immediately be left without a business .. + the existing interest on the loan makes it a very inaccessible tool, although all over the world - this is one of the main ones - for opening "one's own business".
      2. +3
        28 March 2023 07: 17
        Quote: parusnik
        state corporations that have proven that they are no match for private
        Why are you comparing our state corporation with their private company? You better tell me what our breakthrough private trader did? Maybe he built an emobile factory? And now there is a huge demand for them? Oh, no .. private Russian business has raised the aircraft industry from oblivion, the whole world has moved to Russian aircraft? Or maybe some private shipbuilding company is bursting with orders? For different types of products? What branch of the economy has Russian business developed over all these years? Oh! maybe sports? Football clubs are all private in Russia, European football cups are registered in the country, and the national team, the world and European champion, and all thanks to private business .. I don’t argue, there are a lot of cafes and hairdressers ..

        So that there would be production and not a hairdresser and a cafe, a certain state is needed. policy. We need a different tax legislation, we need a different financial policy (long money), we need to invest in education, etc. ALL THIS should be done by the state, business can only adapt to the "rules of the game" (legislative framework), it does not write laws, it does not regulates the fight against corruption, etc. He can only invest money, and if he sees that production in Russia is unprofitable, then he will never invest money from which he will not make a profit. The service sector works most of all in gray or black, they don’t pay taxes, the salaries there are low, the requirements for the qualifications of workers are low, the payback is good, so there is no reason to invest in production and not cafes, restaurants, service stations, car washes, etc.
      3. +7
        28 March 2023 12: 18
        Quote: parusnik
        Why are you comparing our state corporation with their private company? You better tell me what our breakthrough private trader did?

        Usually I completely agree with you. However, here I disagree.
        Over the past 30 years, it has developed in Russia that the state does not trust and does not love its population, believing that instead of explaining what is happening, it is better that we ban something and impose a fine for violating this ban, etc.
        Our state believes that the people are a source of problems for it. And accordingly, the people pay him the same. Those. we are not partners with the state, but opponents (it’s good that we are not yet enemies, as in 1917), who seek to deceive and throw each other. Moreover, the state does it much better, with its increase in the retirement age, excises, VAT, tariffs, etc.
        A private trader could invest money. BUT!!!
        This requires clear and understandable rules of the game. Those. people who invest for a long time should understand that these rules will not change tomorrow for some reason. Or this probability is extremely low. In our country, every single day, the state changes several dozen laws and rules. View the agenda of the State Duma - Duc hair moving. And there are by-laws, letters and orders of ministries and departments, etc.
        The game for a long time in our country is absolutely unpredictable. Before our eyes, the collapse of the country and its economy took place in 1991, in 1998, in 2009, 2014, now, etc.
        What the hell, private traders who would be willing to invest money are we waiting for here? people got fast profit, overtook it in dollars and expelled from the country out of sin ... $ 8-10 billion are withdrawn monthly, according to the Central Bank of Russia. 6 trillion rubles a year. The annual budget of the Russian Federation is 17 trillion.
        And the state may decide to squeeze your business out. Or some kind of near-state comrades. Just because you wanted or didn't like something. Sea examples. Magnet, VK, AFK Sistema, Calvi, etc.

        https://www.forbes.ru/finansy-i-investicii/379863-vesti-biznes-v-rossii-samoubiystvo-kak-gromkie-ugolovnye-dela-povliyali
        Here is an article for a relatively calm 2019.
        71% of entrepreneurs surveyed by VTsIOM stated that they consider the conditions for doing business in Russia to be unfavorable. 59% reported that these conditions have worsened over the past year, and 51% said they believe business conditions will only worsen in the future.
        1. 0
          28 March 2023 23: 40
          So after all, it, this state, was originally built on this principle of "squeezing out". So it rolls from the 90s to the zero, from the zero to the 20s. And why did all this begin? Well, if globally? Breaking a harmonious and fair system. Did the shopkeeper's itch keep you awake? Here they are, they organized the collapse in 91. Then everything is natural.
    2. -6
      28 March 2023 06: 50
      Well, if you think that SpaceX is a private company? Are you seriously? Can you say about capitalization?) Lack of technology? Is nuclear energy a technology of the last century? Corruption, demand, fools and roads, clumsy corporations - this whining is tired of us, as well as all over the world. You offer how to fix it, in your place, and it's easy to give a shit.
      1. +2
        28 March 2023 07: 18
        Quote: Serge Boss
        Well, if you think that SpaceX is a private company? Are you seriously? Can you say about capitalization?) Lack of technology? Is nuclear energy a technology of the last century? Corruption, demand, fools and roads, clumsy corporations - this whining is tired of us, as well as all over the world. You offer how to fix it, in your place, and it's easy to give a shit.

        https://3dnews.ru/1079716/noviy-raund-finansirovaniya-otsenil-kapitalizatsiyu-spacex-v-137-mlrd
        Capitalization of SpaceX has grown to $137 billion

        Private, private.
        And what about Russian firms. Many of us tried to take off, and then they were betrayed and beaten in the back by Roscosmos. That S-7 was promised the supply of engines to Yuzhmash, that Dauria was sued and taken away all the money for the failure on the part of Roscosmos, that Kosmokonkurs were not allowed to agree on the launch pad ...
      2. 0
        28 March 2023 07: 32
        Quote: Serge Boss
        Well, if you think that SpaceX is a private company? Are you seriously? Can you say about capitalization?) Lack of technology? Is nuclear energy a technology of the last century? Corruption, demand, fools and roads, clumsy corporations - this whining is tired of us, as well as all over the world. You offer how to fix it, in your place, and it's easy to give a shit.

        No, it's not the same as everywhere else in the world. We have the same as in the African third world countries with small-town dictatorships and military juntas. The only difference is the size and nuclear weapons. I will not talk about nuclear energy. I didn’t delve deeply, but I’m 95% sure that it is also very dependent on Western technologies. Because it does not happen that in one high-tech industry there is world leadership, while in others there is decline and degradation. It is impossible in principle. I think there are competencies, but without key Western technologies they are useless.
        1. -1
          28 March 2023 08: 39
          We are not developing, but our Soviet legacy is more than
          They also said at one time that nothing would come of the oil industry without Western technologies
          Canadians worked, etc.
          But then they disappeared
          It turned out that we ourselves can do hydraulic fracturing and SVP Uralmash does it ...
          And yes, there is a dependence on many positions
          But there is something that Schlumberger does not know how, and we - yes
          And Chinese drilling rigs are only praised
          Let's just hold on for a while

          But, damn it, something needs to be changed, really changed, it's just like a dick...
        2. 0
          29 March 2023 11: 57
          Everything is fine in the nuclear industry, for now, and the fact that Russia continues nuclear projects under sanctions suggests that there is little dependence on Western technologies and they are generally not critical. Here, rather, the Soviet backlog plays in the form of a self-sufficient supply chain, which has not collapsed and the fact that the nuclear industry is moving quite slowly and iteratively, so there was no such thing that the "old" is no longer good for anything and was based on what to move on.
      3. -1
        29 March 2023 00: 32
        Have you been somewhere in the world to say that in Russia as well? Is the economy not developing? Look at your home what is Russian. What phone do you have in your hands, do you print on what computer, Russian? What do we have Russian in the world?
    3. +2
      28 March 2023 10: 38
      What is going to happen?
      Stop talking and start doing. And at least try not to vote for talkers.
    4. 0
      28 March 2023 11: 29
      Quote from Tommy Calhoun
      Yes, there are a lot of obstacles. Corruption, expensive loans, lack of key technologies (electronics), lack of sales markets, and those that are insolvent, the domestic market is small and insolvent, state. corporations that have proven that they cannot be compared with private ones (Roskosmos vs SpaceX), etc.

      It is useful to look at the experience of other countries. The PRC, unlike Russia, has a small VAT for manufacturers of high-tech equipment - 2-3% and a high one for the entertainment sector - 30% for coffee houses and restaurants. Slightly below 20-25% for trade in non-basic consumer goods. Therefore, in Russia, the young people pour coffee, and the old people design. The PRC is very tough on crimes that undermine the foundations of society. Corrupt officials are shot and their property is confiscated. If a corrupt official or embezzler of state property fled the country with stolen funds, his family is pressed until he pays a significant part of the stolen money. By the way, the Cheka was also created precisely for this, and in 75 the Chekists allocated 1018% of the forces not to fight the whites, but to fight the Russian rich who entered into a conversation with the Germans and transferred their assets to them for the right to receive a kickback after fleeing abroad.
    5. -1
      30 March 2023 16: 23
      Quote from Tommy Calhoun
      What needs to happen for something to change?

      Catastrophe. True, in our case, this is where the history of Russia will most likely end.
  11. +4
    28 March 2023 06: 35
    ,, They sell us electronics, we sell them agricultural products and resources. ,,.
    This, I think, is the main point of the article. And this is the result of the rule of Putin and his accomplices. China doesn't need allies.
  12. +10
    28 March 2023 06: 38
    Chinese civilization is not one thousand years old, so teach in politics, they can anyone you want. At Russia, I always looked askance, because of Siberia, the Far East, which I considered his fiefdom. They fought with us, already from the XNUMXth century. As a grown-up in the USSR, I can’t forget the Daman conflict ... “I’m leaving ...” - the boy said to her through sadness, -
    “But not for long, I will definitely be back!” Under this song, he himself left to serve. In the DRA, the Chinese to the fullest, supplied weapons to the "spirits". Everything is against us.They have no faith .For such a short historical background, you don’t have to graduate from Leningrad State University and be an officer of the committee. Even IV Stalin helped the PRC to a limited extent, he understood what kind of country it was. Only the "corn maker" helped build a powerful industry in China, creating a headache for the USSR. And still, in 1990, the GDP was $1,1 trillion. the USSR against China's $390 billion. The difference is almost 2.8 times! The most interesting thing happened during the years of Putin's rule. Back in 2013, China lagged behind Russia by 2 times: $7 against $070 (GDP per capita), and in 15 the Chinese economy outperformed the Russian one: $930 against $2021. So our president, who remained after the "successful partnership" broken trough, clinging to Xi Jinping like a straw, but in vain. We must rely only on ourselves, otherwise they will gobble up and not choke.
    1. +2
      28 March 2023 09: 24
      ...The most interesting thing happened during the years of Putin's rule. Back in 2013, China lagged behind Russia by 2 times: $7 against $070 (GDP per capita), and in 15, the Chinese economy surpassed the Russian one: $930 against $2021....

      Dear Unknown.
      The numbers you provide are impressive. Maybe the whole point is that the Chinese government knows how to wage a tough fight against corruption.
      ...Since 2000, about 10 officials have been executed in China for corruption, another 120 received 10-20 years in prison. ..
      https://rg.ru/2009/06/25/korrupcia.html

      Someone will say that tough measures do not eliminate corruption, someone will give an example of the execution of a pickpocket in the square, where his colleagues at that moment are stealing wallets from those who came to gawk at the execution.
      I agree that corruption cannot be completely eliminated as long as the STATE exists. But tough measures can significantly reduce it. Every citizen going into the public service must clearly know: for corruption - the death penalty. Some may take the risk, but many will think. ("... Theft on an especially large scale (Criminal Code of the RSFSR, Art. 931) - in the amount of more than 10 rubles - entails imprisonment for a term of 000 to 8 years with confiscation of property, with or without exile, or the death penalty with confiscation of property... http://bse.sci-lib.com/article15.html)
      The growth of the Chinese economy in a short time is a prime example.
      1. +2
        28 March 2023 10: 29
        The Chinese Government knows how to conduct a tough fight against corruption.
        [quote] ...
        It's not just about corruption and the fight against it, to which I.V. Stalin was harsh on such things, they still tried to rip off, despite harsh punishments , up to VMN .. but not on such a scale, they were still a little afraid, not like now. The fact is, to break, not to build, the soul does not whine, but to destroy everything, what is possible, and what, it was impossible public policy and it was successfully carried out, for more than thirty years, after the collapse of the Union. How to restore everything anew, that is the question. But for sure, the current government, to do this unable , from the word completely.
        1. +2
          28 March 2023 11: 50
          Quote: Unknown
          to which I.V. Stalin was harsh on such cases, they still tried to rip off, despite harsh punishments, up to VMN ..

          After Yeltsin came to power, tens of thousands of sex slaves were brought to Israel from the CIS countries, who were kept in inhuman conditions. At some point, the Israeli leadership became concerned about this problem (although Israel was prompted by the threat of sanctions from the United States for the rampant slave trade in women by sadistic methods). By that time, a powerful porn mafia had been built, which even created its own counterintelligence service with technical control systems, which opened almost 100% of all vehicles (vehicles) belonging to Israeli law enforcement officers. A turning point in the fight against the brutal mafia of slave traders was achieved only after a law was passed on 100% confiscation of all income from the trade in slaves and their forced exploitation, regardless of whether the property received was owned by pimps or rewritten by them to outsiders. Plus a term for organizing prostitution with elements of outright violence: 10-12-15-2 times for 12 years. The turning point came around 2005. Although the operational development of some brothels with slaves from the USSR was carried out for about 3 years before the trial. It seems that the first success for Israel came after Lukashenka came to power in Belarus and the law enforcement officers of this country arrested several especially frostbitten pimps and transferred information to Israel about the threads of the slave trade stretching to the Middle East. And so a symbiosis of the mafia and journalists began to take shape in the former USSR to promote escort services and recruit priestesses of love, Albanians, Arabs and Bedouins to transport slaves across the borders and Israelis who organized the sex industry in their country. However, we do not know what happened in Muslim countries. Surely the export of slaves to Israel in the darkest times and their exploitation did not reach the level that was achieved, for example, by the export of Russian women to Bahrain.
    2. +2
      28 March 2023 11: 00
      Quote: Unknown
      and then they will devour it, and will not choke.

      Different Red lines .... And whose is more important and weighty?
  13. -2
    28 March 2023 06: 40
    What is our difference with China. This is the difference in the approach to their cadres and oligarchs. From the very beginning, they did not classify anyone as an inviolable caste. Secondly, development took place throughout the country, and not in selected cities. Both they and we received assistance from the IMF. But at the same time, spending on government events in China was very meager. For comparison, you can take the tax system of China and Russia. This is heaven and earth. In China, they have never been engaged in condemning those who left the country. For them, inner peace is above all.
    1. +3
      28 March 2023 07: 00
      difference to the approach to their staff and the oligarchs.

      You just need to understand that an oligarch in China is originally a party position. A person's job is to work hard as an oligarch. The party appointed him there to solve the problems posed. The work is difficult, therefore, it is not worth paying for it. But - no more than that. And if someone suddenly forgets who and why he was appointed, then tomorrow this oligarch will already be someone else.
      Because the current capitalism in China serves one task - to build the basis of socialism. And no one is going to retreat from this task.
      1. -2
        28 March 2023 23: 54
        Fat to live, the labor of hard workers, that's the whole task. The job of the bourgeois is to force him to work hard, 16 hours a day, under the leadership of the party. Yep, socialism.
  14. +7
    28 March 2023 06: 46
    I have heard the opinion that China is approaching a strategic blockade - on almost all fronts it is surrounded by countries with difficult relations. japan, south korea, taiwan, philippines, vietnam, india, etc. two more chains of islands with american bases on sea lanes. and Russia there, if not the only window to the world, then at least does not close the ring. in the event of a regime change, we will have an almost complete blockade for China. and the resources will stop supplying. so the alliance is not an alliance, but it is in the Chinese interests to provide some support so that we do not lose at all. Whether China is aware of those interests and whether there is a will to act is another matter. the latter is not at all obvious, China has not yet confirmed its superpower status by deed, limiting itself to creeping economic expansion
    1. 0
      29 March 2023 12: 06
      In Vietnam, the Communist Party ousted a pro-American president; Myanmar also ousted a liberal president. Almost all of Indochina + is already under China, Indonesia also headed for rapprochement, and China itself surrounded India with hostile countries - Muslim Bangladesh (poached) and Pakistan, as well as Nepal, negotiations are still underway with Bhutan despite the protests of India. South Korea is being held back by the North - even if it has a weaker army, but simply the amount of artillery can turn the industrial centers of the South Caucasus into ruins and make a pyrrhic victory. In fact, only Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines remain, and without the support of the US fleet, these countries will not be able to cope with the Chinese fleet, especially in such proximity to the coast from where they can strike with missiles (including hypersonic).

      Nevertheless, partnership with Russia is similarly beneficial for China - they need resources, we need finished products; Russia needs to secure its east to focus on its western borders, and China its north; etc. China does not need Russian territories, just look at the demographics of northern China - from there everyone goes to central and southern China, they do not want to live in the north.
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  16. +8
    28 March 2023 06: 47
    There are a lot of nuances here..
    Trade with the United States is, of course, great, but what is the imbalance? A positive trade balance is by no means always healthy. How much can you spend on your uncle, receiving a treasurer in payment? Which obviously will never be paid for with something real, and indeed - can be confiscated at any time?
    Type - the dominance of the yuan. Is the author sure that China is really striving for this? After all, trading in your currency leads to the fact that its significant masses are out of your control. Moreover, in order to ensure this trade, you are forced to print large amounts, it is not very clear what the secured ones are. And in the event of trade subsidence, they will inevitably flood back into your country with all the consequences .. In addition, in this situation, when determining the rate of your currency, you are forced to be guided not only by your internal interests, but also take into account the interests of trading partners. And they-can contradict yours. In general, we look at what is happening with the dollar and America. Like this - does China need it? I strongly doubt it.
    China's export-oriented economy is certainly very cool, but not very reliable. So let's say financial problems began in the EU - and he began to buy less. Or the United States - took and imposed sanctions. And - what to do with their factories and the people working in them? Which were sharpened for export? What to feed the hard workers then?
    Like - our exports to China cannot replace exports to the EU, because it takes little. And did anyone even consider how much currency a country needs to ensure a normal existence? If we subtract the total export of this by the bourgeoisie and the wild antics of our supposedly financiers in warehousing currency in the West? Maybe - we have as much as we had before and do not need it at all? Maybe - the Chinese volumes are quite satisfied?
    As for trading in raw materials, I don't see anything wrong with that. Why can't we trade what we have? Let's say China sells most of the rare earth metals, and it is precisely in mind, so to speak, ingots and not products. Does anyone say that he is a mine country? Here is the USA - they are driving shale gas like crazy - does anyone reproach them for this? And only with us - trading in raw materials, they say, is a terrible curse .. The question is not in raw materials - but in what the money received for it is spent on ..
    As for Russia as a market for Chinese goods. Well, let's be logical - we have capitalism in the yard. And with him - production in a northern country with a population of 140 million snouts - by definition, loses to a southern country with a population of one and a half billion. Just according to the laws of the market. And you can't fucking do it. If you want to change the situation, return socialism and a planned economy. And only so.
    The military aspect - why should China fit in for us, and above all - do we need it? Because any support by military force in the current conditions means, in fact, vassalage. Or does someone think that someone will fit in for us for free? Not funny. Alliance - maybe when you are fighting against a common enemy equal in strength to you. And when you cannot cope with the problems in your suburbs and ask for help - sorry, by this you already recognize the supremacy of the one who helps, and on his terms. That's when the real war of both countries with the United States begins - an equal union is possible, and so - only on the terms of kissing a shoe. Is it we need? Maybe we'll try to do it on our own?

    Well, that's about it for almost everything.
    1. +1
      28 March 2023 07: 20
      So the US demands to reduce this imbalance, and China resists with all its might. So there is a trade war going on. Therefore, treasuries are tastier to the Chinese than goods from the USA.
      1. +4
        28 March 2023 07: 45
        China is resisting because the US is trying to rectify the situation by forcing China to buy what it doesn't need at all. He would gladly buy technologies, sophisticated devices and machine tools, licenses and so on. And in response to him - grub and liquefied gas .. Which he can buy and cheaper in other places. In addition, even attempts to trade in high-tech goods constantly run into troubles - Avon, one wild epic with the construction of American reactors in China was worth what it cost .. When the Chinese had to literally finish them manually on the spot .. Or let's say aviation - after the West landed in Russia, all their planes - any country will think ten times whether it is worth contacting them ..

        And - I didn’t quite understand why China still has a treasure trove?? Well, okay, a trillion - let's say, like a means of influencing America. But two?? Three?? Ten?? How much can you work in debt?
      2. 0
        29 March 2023 12: 11
        The Chinese have been draining their treasuries for a long time - they now have ~ $ 860 billion, once it was almost $ 1.3 trillion. Almost ~$200 billion were sold this year alone - https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/holdings-of-us-treasury-securities/holdings-of-us-treasury-securities. Plus, the way Russian money was arrested sent a powerful signal to the Chinese that even Chinese citizens began to massively withdraw money from Western banks to Hong Kong and Singapore - they have already withdrawn $ 76 billion from the United States, $ 165 (!) Billion from Switzerland (https://www.yicaiglobal. com/news/funds-flow-back-to-hong-kong-amid-western-banking-woes-report-says).
  17. +7
    28 March 2023 06: 52
    On the face of the degradation of the entire leading elite of Russia, why develop production in our country, if you can buy from China, the logic is so-so, for example, our plant, before SVO almost all chemicals, including sulfur dioxide and hydrogen peroxide, we bought from the Finns, equipment too they and in Europe, after the sanctions, they began to buy from China, even if the quality is worse, but there is, but money is not invested in the development of production, the main thing is profit
    1. +8
      28 March 2023 07: 22
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      On the face of the degradation of the entire leading elite of Russia, why develop production in our country, if you can buy from China, the logic is so-so, for example, our plant, before SVO almost all chemicals, including sulfur dioxide and hydrogen peroxide, we bought from the Finns, equipment too they and in Europe, after the sanctions, they began to buy from China, even if the quality is worse, but there is, but money is not invested in the development of production, the main thing is profit

      There would be much more profit if they did it themselves. So the main motivation is different. No matter what chair you sit on, the main thing is to do nothing. And then with these factories you need to strain, create conditions and all that. And pumping oil is easy.
  18. +3
    28 March 2023 07: 08
    Quote: Serge Boss
    There is no larger gas station in the world, and they do not worry about living.

    Emirates and Norway have fewer people (higher per capita income). However, in the Russian Federation they are working on this problem.
    1. +7
      28 March 2023 08: 18
      However, in the Russian Federation they are working on this problem.
      There are fewer and fewer people in the country every year, we will soon become as wealthy as in Norway. smile
    2. -1
      30 March 2023 16: 36
      Quote: Artem Savin
      However, in the Russian Federation they are working on this problem.

      Yeah. By reducing souls.
  19. -2
    28 March 2023 07: 12
    They sell us electronics, we sell them resources and agricultural products. Not a word about contracts, but a statement ...

    This is the whole essence of relations between modern Russia and socialist China - we are natural resources for them, they are glass beads for us.
    China does not need a strong and independent Russia.
    The Chinese need Russia only as a raw material warehouse with cheap resources and corrupt officials. China also does not need a confident victory for either the United States, the EU and NATO, or the Russian Federation in Ukraine - the entire peace plan of the PRC offers not a solution, but a freezing of the conflict along the current front line, transferring the war back to the sluggish state in which it was from 2014 to 2022 , which will suck human and material resources equally from the US, the EU and the Russian Federation, weakening all parties to the conflict.
    China is a very cunning and dangerous friend.
    Lush meetings and colorful speeches are worth nothing.
    1. +3
      28 March 2023 08: 04
      That's right, China arranges the role of a monkey that sits on a tree and watches how two tigers fight. What would then go down and remove the skins from both when they gnaw each other's throat.
      1. 0
        30 March 2023 16: 38
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        That's right, China suits the role of a monkey that sits on a tree and watches two tigers fight.

        The most important thing here is that the tigers do not pay attention to the monkey and do not remove the skin from it in the first place.
    2. +2
      28 March 2023 10: 43
      The Chinese do not need a strong and independent Russia. You're right. But why is the Kremlin helping China in this?
      1. -6
        28 March 2023 10: 54
        Nobody in the Kremlin needs a strong industrial Russia either, because such a policy will prevent them from making easy and big money on the sale of Russian raw materials.
  20. +5
    28 March 2023 07: 24
    Unfortunately, that's exactly what it is. I have already quoted the phrase that "the Chinese created the oligarchs for the benefit of the state, while we created the state for the benefit of the oligarchs." And so far, there are no signs that we are even planning drastic changes. And without them, in ten years, the technological gap with China will become catastrophic and insurmountable. Although not the fact that he is no longer the same.
  21. +8
    28 March 2023 07: 29
    How can Russia from a raw materials appendage into which it has been turned by the authorities in 30 years to become a developed industrial country? Probably, we need to turn to the experience of industrialization, build factories, institutes, technical schools, reduce prices on the domestic market for raw materials and energy up to the cost, which can attract those who want to earn money to the market, develop infrastructure, and reduce sales of raw materials abroad. It’s not just that you need to think about it, make plans, appoint responsible people, punish someone, or maybe shoot them, but you won’t survive otherwise. Only the government seems to be counting on consensus.
    1. -4
      28 March 2023 07: 49
      Forced industrialization requires an honest and incorruptible leader in the Kremlin and an iron political will to break all the enemies of industrialization within the country:


      1. +3
        28 March 2023 08: 16
        Yeah, 23 years old, the enemies of industrialization, they break and break everything, and they, in response, break and break everything.
      2. -7
        28 March 2023 08: 33
        one leader without his team will not cope. The team is now "forged" in battles
        1. +5
          28 March 2023 12: 35
          Quote from Aleprok
          one leader without his team will not cope. The team is now "forged" in battles

          Leader 70. His "forged" team, he has already canceled the deadlines for being in power, because they are about the same age as him. The leader is already a leader for 23 years. He has no idea what and how the country lives. How to go to the store How to get on the subway. How to shove a card into an ATM or pay for a communal apartment. How much is milk and meat. What do visitors to the VO website think about the leader and his forging team. Etc. and so on.
          The government on another planet lives, dear!

          On the planet of dolce and gabana, yachts on which fish are pulled, personal jets for dogs, silicone mistresses and botox old men ...
      3. -10
        28 March 2023 08: 48
        Beautiful graphics and beautiful numbers!? Only here is one problem, a big problem - demographics! Stalin had one huge trump card - free cheap labor force (slaves), with zero value, everything worked according to the principle - "women still give birth", families were 8-10 people each, so he rotted them in the Gulags, Dneprgress .... . ruthlessly! And who are you going to rot in labor camps now with negative demographics, is it not the Chinese? ;)
        1. +5
          28 March 2023 10: 58
          Quote: Ivan_Sechin
          Stalin had one huge trump card - free cheap slave power (slaves), with zero value, everything worked according to the principle - "women still give birth", families were 8-10 people each, so he rotted them in the Gulags,

          Cheap labor? My grandfather was sent by the NKVD from the Gulag to the mines of the coal basin near Moscow, they gave him half a house, where, working as a miner, he received 2-3 thousand rubles (200-300 after the reform of 61 years), the third in the village bought a TV and retired at 50 in 1970. You have already hesitated to think with these perestroika new thinking.
      4. +2
        28 March 2023 10: 51
        By the way, already in the third five-year plan, an increase in the output of consumer goods was planned, such as, for example, bicycles, both simple and with motors, or household refrigerators, which had not been produced at all before.
      5. 0
        30 March 2023 16: 40
        Quote: Flibuster
        Forced industrialization requires an honest and incorruptible leader in the Kremlin and an iron political will to break all the enemies of industrialization within the country:

        More beautiful pictures and chatter. So let's win!
    2. +5
      28 March 2023 08: 01
      Probably, we should turn to the experience of industrialization, build factories, institutes, technical schools, reduce prices on the domestic market for raw materials and energy down to the cost
      Yeah, surplus value is not in your pocket, but for the public good? But what about yachts, palaces, accounts abroad, real estate? smile
  22. +5
    28 March 2023 07: 57
    China, on anti-Soviet rhetoric, at one time, received from the West, all the "goodies" - technologies and everything else, but did not foul itself. Russia, on anti-Soviet rhetoric, received from the West, shish with butter. .Feel the difference as advertised.
    1. 0
      30 March 2023 16: 45
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Feel the difference, as they say in advertising.

      For the sake of objectivity, we would never have received anything but thanks simply because of objective circumstances. We are not China, China received investments and technologies as a force opposing the USSR. And why did the United States need to do this in the case of Russia?
  23. -4
    28 March 2023 07: 59
    A lot of gag. Prices are classified, but they are below the bottom. It is interesting to see where the author got the data from if they are classified =))
    Russia, suffer, cry, wail! Well, everything is in this style. And the news is essentially the same - Xi arrived on his first visit to Russia after being re-elected. This is the first visit to another state, from the word in general. Not to be confused with the first time in Russia after the election, namely with the first visit in his post and specifically to Russia.
    And finally, both leaders (we should get rid of the word president, because this word means the manager of the colony (meaning the English colony)) made a statement that there are events ahead of such a scale that have not happened for more than 100 years.
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    2. 0
      30 March 2023 16: 47
      Quote: ALLxANDr
      made a statement that ahead of events of such magnitude, which have not been more than 100 years old.

      But not only not everyone will see them. And only those who survive after brilliant operations in Ukraine and other fronts of the imperialist third world.
  24. -10
    28 March 2023 08: 01
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Is Russia interesting as an ally to China?

    If Russia were not interesting to China, then Xi Jinping would make his first visit after re-election to another country.

    Playing with numbers doesn't matter. If all of them are divided per capita, then Russia will win. For those who are interested, the calculator will help you.

    The New World Order, which is being built by Russia and China, is a World in which all countries, regardless of their development and economy, are recognized as equal among equals.

    In the United States, they were frightened by the song under which Xi Jinping flew away from Russia.
    https://www.mk.ru/politics/2023/03/24/si-czinpin-uletal-iz-rossii-pod-pesnyu-o-neizbezhnoy-voyne.html

    ... Are the comrades-in-arms ready for battle,
    What if there really is trouble?
    Every defender of the Motherland
    He will gain his glory forever! ...

    ps
    The task of the West, in order to maintain its further parasitism on the inhabitants of the planet, is to quarrel us with China and set us on China. Just like the West set Ukraine against us... No matter how the author tries to please his Western master, this will never happen.
    1. -1
      29 March 2023 02: 20
      You Boris slogan, about power, take away from sin. Some zealous, young clerk will forget to consult with his superiors and will be taken under white arms for anti-state activities and inciting something there. Well, what for you trouble? They will understand, of course, that they are their own, but they will burn their nerves. It's such a thing, the Soviets are what they shot from tanks. And you are campaigning for their power.
  25. -7
    28 March 2023 08: 13
    So China does not need allies. We need sales markets once and a reliable rear behind us in terms of the supply of raw materials, two. And that's all.
    After this pearl, you can no longer read, in principle ....
    1. +8
      28 March 2023 08: 38
      Well, why pearls? This is a harsh reality.
      1. -4
        28 March 2023 11: 28
        This is a harsh reality.
        The harsh reality is that China will be next after us. And only now it began to reach the Chinese that all economic ties with the "West" will not help them, the economic "expediency" of the Western countries has long gone (not even by the wayside). With all its economic power, China has no chance to stand alone against the "West" (even if it has nuclear weapons ......)
        1. 0
          29 March 2023 12: 57
          Can you find out why? The industrial potential is comparable, and the quantitative one in people exceeds. They can easily teach how to move a joystick a couple of million and build a couple million for them, the same drones. What west can stand against such a swarm. Now the bayonet fight, with which their Japas endured, is not in fashion. Pile whoever you want. It just doesn't matter to them. The prosperity of the golden quarter of a billion in the Celestial Empire rests on the Western market.
  26. +1
    28 March 2023 08: 15
    and China may have aircraft with a decent motor resource, for example.

    Did we have them? Of the civilians, one superjet, so there are French
    1. -11
      28 March 2023 09: 42
      French what? flight attendants?
      Have you heard anything about Ilyushin, Tupolev? Yes, they are few, but they are.
      Can you name French planes? just don't talk about Airbus here ...
      1. +3
        28 March 2023 09: 50
        Are you able to read? I'm talking about motor resources, that is, engines fellow
      2. +1
        30 March 2023 16: 49
        Quote: Serge Boss
        Have you heard anything about Ilyushin, Tupolev?

        That the guards, along with the system, have not killed them yet? Well, we'll fix it. I believe you can do it.
      3. 0
        April 6 2023 16: 54
        And tell! What do factories produce in terms of IL and TU and how much?
  27. +6
    28 March 2023 08: 16
    Conclusion: our government is weak and will not become stronger. And there is no turnover.
    1. -11
      28 March 2023 08: 23
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: Million
      And there is no change.

      What do you think is the need (reason) for the change of power and what exactly (there are six in total)?
      1. +3
        28 March 2023 08: 37
        The only reason is competition! Lack of change leads to stagnation, does our history teach us nothing?
        1. -9
          28 March 2023 08: 45
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Ivan_Sechin
          The only reason is competition!

          Steal someone else's - capitalism.
          They do not steal from themselves - socialism (Stalin).

          The cause of corruption is in the social system, in capitalism. Regardless of what kind of power under capitalism will be in the country, corruption will not disappear - it is one of the components of capitalism.

          If you are against corruption, then it is not the government that needs to be changed, but the social system.

          Quote: Ivan_Sechin
          Lack of change leads to stagnation

          Many on the site are supporters of the stagnation of the Brezhnev era laughing
          What do you think stagnation is currently expressed in?
      2. 0
        28 March 2023 08: 53
        The decline of the state. If the horse cannot plow, they find a replacement for it.
        1. -9
          28 March 2023 09: 01
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Million
          Decline of the State

          Are we in decline? Even with all the sanctions announced by the West, I have not noticed a deterioration in my life. About "decline" or progressive development of the country:
          - Russia did not fall apart;
          - the country's budget is filled with money;
          - complete food security;
          - the revival of the army;
          - Syria - the acquisition of an independent foreign policy;
          - Ukraine (West) - the acquisition of an independent global policy.

          The unification of Russia and China means the end of the dominance of Western civilization. I see no reason to change Putin. It is necessary to carry out a purge of the legislative and executive authorities from the henchmen of the State Department.
          1. +3
            28 March 2023 09: 14
            Nevertheless, we are still a state that is a raw material appendage. Apparently, this suits you.
            1. -9
              28 March 2023 09: 21
              All power to the Soviets!

              Quote: Million
              .we are still a state-raw material appendage

              Do you think that with a change of power, 20% of the natural wealth of the World located on the territory of Russia will disappear along with the old government? laughing

              We trade in what is in demand on the market. By the way, Americans all over the world with axes are chasing the natural resources of other countries, and here they are just lying under our feet. And why don't we trade them? Yes, it is necessary to process raw materials and increase the cost, but the question is, is there a demand for finished products on the market?

              By the way. It is forbidden to drive round timber abroad. Our wood is also in demand in processed form, which cannot be said about oil.

              This is no reason to change the government.
              1. +2
                28 March 2023 09: 32
                What is a "strong state" do you know?
                1. -8
                  28 March 2023 09: 44
                  All power to the Soviets!

                  Quote: Million
                  What is a "strong state" do you know?

                  - A strong state is a state that is capable of pursuing an independent global policy. Russia pursues an independent global policy.

                  - A strong state is a state that does not enslave other states and does not prevent them from developing independently. Only a weak state seeks to surround itself with even more weak states.

                  "... sovereign development must be ensured for all countries, and the choice of any country must be respected. This is also important, even in relation to the financial system. It must be independent, depoliticized, and, of course, it must be based on financial systems leading countries of the world. V.V. Putin.
                  1. -9
                    28 March 2023 10: 08
                    Analytical review of Xi Jinping's visit from the position of the BER:

                  2. +7
                    28 March 2023 10: 13
                    This is the external side of a strong state, but there is also an internal one, which was not even mentioned, although it is no less important.
                    A strong state should have a large production potential, high-tech industries, developed infrastructure, and enable citizens to receive decent incomes.
                    1. +2
                      29 March 2023 07: 56
                      Quote: Million
                      This is the external side of a strong state, but there is also an internal one, which was not even mentioned, although it is no less important.

                      Domestic and foreign policy depends on global policy. Putin, pursuing a global and foreign policy, is changing domestic policy. Directly, the president cannot fully influence The presidential power is the executive power and depends on the legislative power.

              2. +2
                28 March 2023 11: 00
                Is there a market demand for finished products? For example, for gasoline, fuel oil, diesel fuel? Or on paper, on clothes? What do you think yourself?
          2. +1
            29 March 2023 02: 36
            Boris, after all, write the right things, but minus and minus everything wassat Because it looks like double standards, criticized by you enemies. Actually, I like your idea to separate not only flies from cutlets, but also cutlets from the cook. He sits helpless, more than 20 years old and cannot unravel these five branches. am
            1. 0
              29 March 2023 07: 49
              Quote: Essex62
              He sits helpless, more than 20 years old and cannot unravel these five branches.

              There are six types of power. The highest is the power of God. The lower power always depends on the higher and they all depend on each other.

          3. 0
            30 March 2023 16: 52
            Quote: Boris55
            revival of the army

            Shta?! This is what is now called when they collect donations for the army, and the Ministry of Defense and other economic blocs of the government did not bother to organize the provision of troops with drones in a year.
  28. -4
    28 March 2023 08: 16
    The article is more or less correct. But the main thing is not taken into account. Yes, both for China and for the West, we play the role of a raw materials appendage. Both want to get resources on the cheap. There is no difference. But it is fundamentally different: the West, at the same time, wants to impose its way of life and behavior, religion (LGBT, etc.) on us. And it imposes hard, aggressively. So that in the future we could not even think about disobedience. China is not. He doesn't interfere. Live as you wish. And this is the fundamental difference.

    Personally, I don't want to be called "parent number 1" (or 2), I don't want to regularly see the iridescent LGBT bacchanalia on the streets and the justification of pedophilia as a "psychological deviation".

    So the author forgot the main thing: we, cooperating with China, are protecting our way of life, the right to live the way we want, and not under the dictation of "uncles from across the ocean."

    And as for the quality of life: "attractions of unprecedented generosity" for the social security of Western countries, deployed in defiance of the USSR, are ending. The same medical system in Germany is a complete bankrupt (I know what I'm talking about). So in the future we will see who and where will live better.
  29. +5
    28 March 2023 08: 31
    in any case, China is now "along the way" with us ... therefore, it's better this way than nothing. China understands this too. The rest of what has been written has been known for a long time. Nobody is interested in restoring the country to help us. This is our business and we have to deal with it ourselves.
  30. +2
    28 March 2023 08: 33
    I don't understand why all this panic? Our most ingenious strategic victory and benefit in this whole situation with the NMD is that we are now completely dependent on our eastern neighbor, why trade with Europe and with the whole other civilized world, when there is a true friend and comrade nearby - the Chinese "communist "!
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  32. +10
    28 March 2023 08: 54
    Technology, sorry, is not Chinese.
    Good copiers, but very unimportant developers - this is the current status of China.

    The author lives in the past. It is enough to look at China's injections into education over the past decades to understand that sooner or later, they will begin to bear fruit. And rather early, since China is already in first place in terms of the number of patents.
    1. +4
      28 March 2023 10: 29
      It is enough to look at China's injections into education over the past decades to understand that sooner or later, they will begin to bear fruit.
      There is education, there is science, there is science, there is advanced production.
  33. +4
    28 March 2023 08: 55
    until the country is truly strong and confident both politically and militarily.

    There is such a thing - misunderstanding of the essence. First of all, one must be/become "confident" economically. This is a consequence of political confidence and a pledge of military confidence.
    And we should also remember that the West, even with thieving elites, will develop (if you want), but there will be no development with China. There will be theft, but Chinese, wrapped in a "shared prosperity" wrapper.
    1. +3
      28 March 2023 10: 32
      And we should also remember that the West, although with thieving elites, will develop
      I can’t say for China, but in 33 years, living together with the West, under thieving elites, have they developed a lot? What success have you had? Just don't say you don't want to.
  34. +6
    28 March 2023 08: 58
    In general, no one is preparing Russia for a different fate, except as a gas station country. Well, it's your own fault. It was in the 90s that Gaidar's team developed such a way of life for the country: why do we need to produce something if we can buy it by selling resources? Here we are selling. And China is buying.

    Well, that is, for 20 years, no one did anything, did everything suit everyone?
  35. -2
    28 March 2023 08: 59
    The Chinese program to stimulate the reduction of the Russian population on the territory of Russia is in full swing, well-hidden foreign agents are doing an excellent job with their tasks!
  36. 0
    28 March 2023 09: 08
    Today's UN vote on the international investigation into the Potokah bombings has shown what kind of ally China is, so there is no need to indulge in empty dreams.
    1. +3
      28 March 2023 10: 36
      So the author writes that China is "not a wife to us, she is more, not a wife" (c), in the sense of not an ally. He does not owe us anything and nothing, he does not owe us, but to whom he owes and owes (USSR) , that is no longer there. China, "debts" to modern Russia, does not have.
  37. +3
    28 March 2023 09: 11
    China is really not looking for an alliance; in general, it doesn’t really need all the changes in the world! He lives perfectly in the dollar system, having turned into a global factory, pumping resources from third countries and selling products in the golden billion. bully
    The problem of China is the volume of production and its own high-tech products, which is why its economy begins to compete with the United States. Therefore, the United States began to fear a competitor. The United States does not know how to negotiate, they only know how to dictate, so the conflict between China and the United States is growing, although China does not really need world domination. Under pressure from the United States, they began to fuss about their place in the world and, as I understand it, China does not yet know how to position itself. China earns primarily in the markets of the West, and thanks to cooperation with Western companies, there is no alternative to these markets!
    The war in Ukraine, which apparently should have been short-lived, drags on and begins to affect the world economy in a bad way. China clearly wants to remove the negative, I think this is the main purpose of the visit. We either have to win quickly, or somehow stop the war, or, and perhaps in any case, we must compensate for the losses of China due to Russia's support in the NWO.
    The defeat of Russia in the NVO, the destabilization of Russia is also not beneficial for China, because we are the rear for them! Therefore, China will quietly support us, even if it does not really like it.
    But with regards to Russia, our leadership also does not yet know how to position itself in the world, we also lived well in the dollar system, we could buy everything and have nothing to worry about! All megaprojects were focused on export, even the Zvezda shipyard seems to be built in order to build supertankers and gas carriers for the export of resources!
    We have a conflict with the United States also because of the struggle for the energy market in Europe.
  38. +1
    28 March 2023 09: 17
    Quote: freddyk
    This "part of the armed forces" is all that Russia can allocate to Ukraine, otherwise why mobilize the civilian population.

    So do you agree with the rest?
    Well, OK.
  39. +5
    28 March 2023 09: 35
    From a great power in 30 years we have turned the country into you know what, and now we are thinking with hope about China's help. Apparently, the liberal wing at the top is buying and selling, and pumping resources is more interesting than building a strong country.
    1. +5
      28 March 2023 10: 42
      From a great power in 30 years they turned the country into you know what
      “Everyone says that we are in a place, everyone says, but few know in which one” (c). Or rather, we know in what place we are, but we are afraid to admit it, even to ourselves.
  40. +5
    28 March 2023 09: 38
    Good article. There are many general arguments, but they are sensible, there are also figures.

    In general, in many media now, from censorship and stupidity, they either draw halos of GDP and SI, or pour a tub of cold water.
    IMHO, until they mastered thermonuclear fusion or the like, they need us as a neo-colony ...
  41. +5
    28 March 2023 09: 45
    Russia has no allies, this is not a big problem. The main problem is one - "the first of two troubles." But she's great. To threaten one's industry and country for the sake of "growing into the world Civilization" is a phenomenon not seen in the history of mankind.
    Only the mind was not enough to understand in time that the consequences would be unseen.

    Almost according to Saltykov Shchedrin: "Great achievements were expected from the Russian people - and he chose Yeltsin!".
    1. +7
      28 March 2023 10: 44
      "Great achievements were expected from the Russian people - and they chose Yeltsin!"
      laughing good And I didn’t stop at Yeltsin, I went on to choose laughing And everything is the same.
  42. -12
    28 March 2023 10: 28
    Eh, Bandera’s people went wild after Skomorokhov’s article, this is a “balm to their hearts”, but now it’s not about them, knowing Skomorokhov’s ability to “turn over” reality, I want to remind him: “Listen carefully to the Presidents during the meeting, and do not run diagonally across the Western press , the goal of Russia and China to jointly lead the technological superiority in the world, overtaking the United States and Europe, all point.The rest of the points should only contribute to this process.
    1. +1
      28 March 2023 10: 45
      The fact that China is not looking for allies is their historical minus, if they understood this, then their history would be different, for example, there would be no opium wars with England in the century before last or with Japan in the past, and Taiwan would not have to be recaptured from the USA in the current one.
  43. +3
    28 March 2023 10: 49
    Very good article. The only thing one can disagree with is the analogy between China's conflict with Vietnam and the current NWO. At that time, the entire West, led by the United States, did not stand behind Vietnam. The USSR supplied weapons to Vietnam indisputably. But it does not go to any comparison with what is happening now. Again, was there such sanctions pressure on China then? Generally speaking, a real "proxy war" between the West and Russia is really taking place now. China did not experience such pressure in the conflict with Vietnam. Another thing is that he then did not reach such a level of development as now. Russia simply cannot do now what China did then. This will entail too negative and dangerous consequences both within the country and in the foreign policy situation.
    In general, the idea that all of Russia's problems are due to the incompetence of the government is indisputable. What is being done in the economy, social policy, and foreign policy can cause nothing but regret and irritation. All politics is about selling resources, and all diplomacy is about securing it. This, unfortunately, is so.
    And the author very accurately said about the manufacture (not production) of "unparalleled in the world" single copies.
    In conclusion, it should be noted that Russia inherited from the USSR the absence of light industry. Virtually nothing is being done to create it now. After all, one day it will equalize us with Africa..
    1. 0
      28 March 2023 11: 08
      Most of the current problems were laid down in the 90s, in my personal opinion, something was improved, but of course not at the pace I wanted.
    2. +2
      28 March 2023 21: 13
      In conclusion, it should be noted that Russia inherited from the USSR the absence of light industry
      belay belay belay Like this??? The light industry of the USSR was very powerful, the range of products is another matter ...
  44. +4
    28 March 2023 10: 52
    It’s interesting how much you don’t read analysts about Russian-Chinese relations, one simple thing is never mentioned anywhere - the PRC is a country with a communist ideology, yes, let the Chinese declare their “special path” in building socialism (remember Marx that communist principles are not a dogma but a guide to action), but the ideas of Marx, Lenin, Stalin are a fundamental guide for them. Today's Russia is a state with a pronounced anti-communist and anti-Soviet ideology. That is, with the fact that it poses a threat to the foundation of state building in the PRC. What kind of unions can there be? Coincidence of interests yes. Temporary cooperation - certainly. But both sides will be wary of each other and, while maintaining Russia's current bourgeois course, that China and Russia will consider each other as a threat to the worldview of their states.
    1. 0
      April 6 2023 17: 02
      In China, medicine is completely paid, for example. What is socialism and communism...
  45. +2
    28 March 2023 10: 55
    "The East is a delicate matter," and if it is also the Far East, then doubly so.
    Now, if we assume that first the USSR, and then Russia, long and stubbornly went towards rapprochement with China, then everything will fall into place. Everyone knows about the post-war friendship between the Soviet Union and the PRC, and if they don’t know, they guess. When an industrial base was created in China with the help of our country, knowing the cunning of the Chinese, the USSR went to aggravate relations with China in the late 1960s, "broke" almost all ties, so that the Americans pumped China with their technologies, receiving in return only a racket and a ping-pong ball, and Chinese food throughout the United States (which many Americans now cannot do without). To be sure, American corporations have enriched themselves, but they have created competitors who sooner or later will drive them to their grave. Help to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan from the Chinese comrades ... - many will say. Yes, it was such that it was, how it was, and was it not a warning from the already growing China that not everything was in order in the USSR, historians have yet to analyze? Was China interested in the collapse of the USSR? Well, what can be done with a suicidal drunk neighbor, who, in addition to everything, is knocked off his pantalik by his "drinking buddies" in order to take possession of his property? That's right, nothing!
    And if this is not a diabolical game, if the Chinese really do not want to see their country as a "production shop" of insolent, and, moreover, completely British Americans, then further prospects for interaction with China give rise to hopes for the development of the world "without annexations and indemnities", which is so dreamed of our revolutionaries and Chinese communists 100 years ago. Now we are on an equal footing with China. We transfer some technologies to them, in return we receive something from them. The main thing is not to lose the desire to go to the goal and see this goal clearly and clearly. And talk less about "indestructible friendship" between peoples, because in this matter we need not loud words, but concrete deeds.
  46. -5
    28 March 2023 11: 04
    Everything is on point, one plus China is not interested in the collapse of the Russian Federation and a change in GDP. As mentioned above, it's good. We must understand that if we did not create all the problems for ourselves, then no one will solve them for us.
  47. +6
    28 March 2023 11: 11
    Everything is absolutely on point, we are not partners or allies, but the periphery on which you can lay your costs and buy raw materials for a penny ... a disgrace in short
  48. +2
    28 March 2023 11: 13
    the yuan cannot yet be called a strong and stable currency

    This is a consequence of Roman and I do not believe that you do not know the cause.
    The weakening of the yuan is in line with the strategy of the Middle Kingdom, since a cheap yuan = cheap Chinese goods.
  49. -6
    28 March 2023 11: 32
    We are too weak in the eyes of China
    .
    Funny. And why then all this pomp with the arrival with a large retinue. Does he also travel to Honduras? The author is very bad with analysis.
    Yes, the Chinese do not want to fight. Because he has nothing to do if they start throwing nuclear bombs, and besides, they have no experience in military operations, so he cannot seriously fight the United States now. Therefore, he is for the world and all good against all bad.
    He needs our military technologies, he needs cheaper resources, but because of the policy of switching to domestic demand, the cost price in industry has reached the level of the USA and Europe, the collapse is not far off. So now he needs Russia more than he needs Russia, because he has nothing to offer us (once again, he does not want to get involved in the war).
  50. -5
    28 March 2023 11: 46
    The question is not whether it is interesting or not. In China, they are well aware that after they crush Russia, they will take them up. And China cannot stand alone. So China will stand for Russia "to the end" - otherwise "not a tenant."
  51. -11
    28 March 2023 12: 04
    The article is Russophobic and deceitful. Liberal.
    China needs Russia to a much greater extent than Russia needs China.
    The 2 main parameters that the state must provide its citizens with are energy and food. China cannot provide both to its citizens on its own. And buys from Russia.
    In addition to purely raw materials, Russia also supplies China with electricity and food. And nuclear fuel is supplied in large quantities, and nuclear power plants are being built.
    In addition to this, Russia, by its very existence, does not allow the United States to attack China by force.
    1. +6
      28 March 2023 13: 20
      China needs Russia to a much greater extent than Russia needs China.
      The 2 main parameters that the state must provide its citizens with are energy and food. China cannot provide both to its citizens on its own. And buys from Russia.

      Information specifically for turbo-patriots who imagine themselves to be the breadwinners and drinkers of China.



      This is the import of products to China. Compare Russia and Brazil.



      And this is gas to China. Compare Russia and Australia. Russia has 6 percent, Australia 40 percent.
      Now try to figure out who depends on whom and who needs whom.
  52. -4
    28 March 2023 12: 33
    I think it is necessary, in fact, given our nuclear potential and the upcoming conflict with the United States, but they don’t believe us. I wouldn't believe it either. It’s clear with Putin, but Putin is not eternal, and the last ones will defect at the first opportunity. Assets, real estate, relatives are all there, in the West.
  53. +1
    28 March 2023 13: 31
    That's right - the current relationship with China and the forecast for the future are assessed correctly in the article.
    Author: "Perhaps the best option would be to transfer all these Armatas, Boomerangs, Coalitions, Kurgans and other Petrels to China." No, you can’t give the Chinese advanced developments! They will copy, improve something and take away our part of the military equipment market. Suffice it to recall the story of the supply of Su-27 aircraft to China - they looked at it, copied it and rejected more than half of the contract. Most of the samples of military equipment were shamelessly torn from us. Or I didn’t understand - maybe the author means that Armata, the Coalition and others are developments that lead to a dead end and the transfer can slow down the improvement of such equipment by the Chinese? So the same Armata - yes, the project is crude and is unlikely to go into production - so what? But on its basis, I am sure, a serial tank will appear, which will become the founder of a family of tanks that will be superior in power to the current T-72 upgrades. The same goes for other samples noted by the author.
    Now about the USSR.
    Author: "...and on the other hand, a check was made to see whether the USSR would stand up for its ally. The USSR did not stand up for Vietnam, limiting itself to military supplies and condemnation of the PRC." Not at all like that - China retreated immediately after the USSR sent warships to Vietnam and transferred huge masses of troops to the border with China. The strict demand to end the war and the possible real loss of the war with the USSR forced the Chinese to immediately leave Vietnam.
    Yes - the current situation in Russia is unenviable. But what is the reason! The author does not write about this! And the reason is the replacement of the social system. EBN and his accomplices appropriated the national property - they well learned Sharikov’s postulate: “Take and divide!” Between our own people, of course. And the country was turned into a raw materials appendage of the West, the national economy was destroyed... But it was not possible to make peace with the West - the West does not consider our money bags to be equal, it considers them thieves. And now, instead of the West, our government is giving the country into vassalage to the Chinese.
    But our government cannot do otherwise - they are not smart enough! After all, you have to give up a very small part of the funds in order to preserve the industry created by the USSR, invest in education, the social sphere... And the country would be self-sufficient! But okay! Let's forget about EBN! But more than 20 years later, it turns out, we were deceived! But we don’t have eyes, intelligence, intelligence, or embassies! We did not see the maturing fascism on the outskirts and, moreover, we provided multi-billion dollar loans and discounts... Our leader once mentioned more than 200 billion dollars... And complained that it was not good food for the horse... They deceived...
    So, the current unenviable position of the country is due to the greedy and stupid government, which only knows how to talk about any problem...
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  55. -3
    28 March 2023 14: 52
    As soon as Roma rolls out the article, the all-fathers immediately come running like bees to honey. Sober comments 5%. The rest of the style disappeared, all poimers. It’s as if Uncle Liao put a collar on them and is already adjusting the shafts
  56. +3
    28 March 2023 15: 37
    Sad, sad, but unfortunately true.
  57. -3
    28 March 2023 15: 56
    After reading the article, there is only one question: whose order?
  58. 0
    28 March 2023 17: 06
    A foreign country sounds proud laughing

    And I don't care what
    Comment text, etc.
  59. -3
    28 March 2023 17: 16
    Not to say disgusting, let's say thick and grimy. Lots of letters and they seem to be spelled correctly. A few buts: before attributing to a neighbor what a European refers to himself, one should know what China is, analyze the situation in Russia, and only then try to give something to the mountain. Take, for example, the planned blockade of China's cargoes by unfriendly US-Europe and satellites.
  60. -4
    28 March 2023 17: 18
    But nothing more than what was announced should not have been expected. By the way, in China itself they treated the visit quite casually. That is, there was no such brutal fuss as we had in the media.
    If the author considers the messages to be brutal hype, then maybe he himself will contribute to reducing the hype by not joining it?
    But Ostap again suffered in his own way.
  61. -1
    28 March 2023 17: 25
    “Historically, it so happened that the Chinese did not look for allies” (c)

    Recent history refutes this.
    In 1949, China was even ready (and not just ready, but itself proposed) to join the USSR. For some political reasons at that time, he was refused.
    And even after the refusal, these proposals were made twice more.
    If this is not a search for allies, then what else?
    1. +2
      28 March 2023 18: 42
      In 1949, China was even ready (and not just ready, but itself proposed) to join the USSR. For some political reasons at that time, he was refused.
      And even after the refusal, these proposals were made twice more.

      Sorry, colleague, but this is a fresh fable from the Internet, not confirmed by any official documents.
      Similar options were considered for the East Turkestan Republic (Xinjiang), but were abandoned. Just for political reasons.
  62. +3
    28 March 2023 17: 32
    Quote: sergej_84
    especially for turbo-patriots... try to figure out who depends on whom and who needs whom

    Useless.
    "Turbopatriots" are not prone to analysis. And they’re not very good at writing posts...
    They just put a minus
  63. 0
    28 March 2023 17: 40
    With respect to the author and commentators:
    1. China has no historical experience of alliance relations.
    2. China has a history of mutual genocide, conquest and tribute.
    3. China considers itself a Middle Empire, surrounded by barbarians. There can be no alliances with barbarians.
    4. Korea and Vietnam are separated parts of the once united Empire.
    5. The Silk Road is a thousand-year-old mechanism for obtaining gold in exchange for labor and an inexhaustible resource.
    Therefore, maintaining a transcontinental route is a long-term goal.
    6. China is now living through the longest period in its history without civil wars. The last time the army was used against its own population was in the early 1970s. Accordingly, every year the probability/inevitability of civil war increases.
    7. There is a demographic catastrophe in China, an aging population, and a lack of women. Young people have chosen passive existence as their goal, ideology is dying.
    8. The CCP has degenerated into a party of Chinese nationalists, the ideological matrix has been replaced by Confucian teachings.
    9. China missed the moment when it was possible to establish fraternal relations with Russia. Arrogance won. Now we are only trading partners. China automatically classifies all its trading partners as junior ones.
    10. The United States is not an ally of China; the stratagem “kill with a borrowed knife” is used in relation to this country.
    11. In the Ukrainian conflict, China sees only an obstacle to the functioning of the new Silk Road.
    12. China has passed the peak of its power, and is heading towards another cycle of decline and fragmentation.
  64. 0
    28 March 2023 18: 00
    Quote: SergeyB
    Quote: ASAD
    For now, will interact

    Well, really. Who needs an ally like Russia? Russia, which, for a moment, is only a PART of its armed forces, without much tension, is fighting against the combined military and economic power of WHOLE NATO.
    Indeed, who needs an ally who can do so "little"?

    A year of trampling around huts in the Donbass is, of course, a huge victory. Rokossovsky, Zhukov and Vasilevsky with Bagramyan nervously smoke on the sidelines.
  65. -2
    28 March 2023 18: 04
    In principle, apart from the strategic nuclear weapons left over from the USSR, the Russian Federation cannot present anything else. The monarchies of the Persian Gulf also have oil and gas. There are no high-tech industries. Even highly promoted processors (yesterday in microelectronics) should have been made in Taiwan.
  66. 0
    28 March 2023 18: 13
    Quote from Tommy Calhoun
    Yes, there are a lot of obstacles. Corruption, expensive loans, lack of key technologies (electronics), lack of sales markets, and those that are insolvent, the domestic market is small and insolvent, state. corporations that have proven that they cannot be compared with private ones (Roskosmos vs SpaceX), etc. You can list endlessly what is stopping us. This has already been said a thousand times at all levels, but nothing has changed in 20 years. What needs to happen for something to change?

    Everything you listed is not the reasons, but the consequences of the ineffective existing system of power. Immobility, irresponsibility, selection of environment based on the principle of personal loyalty...
    broken principle of separation of powers
    naturally lead to corruption, a decline in morality and other foulness
    So the answer to your question is essentially simple))
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  68. +1
    28 March 2023 19: 13
    Does China recognize Crimea as Russian? No. Does China recognize the LDPR and “new territories” as Russia? Also no. What kind of alliance can we talk about?
  69. +2
    28 March 2023 20: 07
    Quote from: NickShel
    Does China recognize Crimea as Russian? No. Does China recognize the LDPR and “new territories” as Russia? Also no. What kind of alliance can we talk about?

    China is not an ally because it does not recognize our new territories? That is, we divide into friends and foes, based on the recognition of Crimea as ours?
    Approx.
    What's up with Belarus? It seems that Crimea has not yet been recognized for us.
    Enemies, according to your logic?
    And by the way, very on topic. Trump once said at the G7 summit that Crimea is Russian
    Is Trump your best friend and ally?
  70. +4
    28 March 2023 20: 10
    It’s a shame, but this is precisely the role Russia will have to play until the country truly becomes strong and confident both politically and militarily.

    It is a pity that the people who have risen to the leadership of Russia, the officials on whose decisions much depends, are playing the role of idle talkers and even traitors in Russia.
    I don’t see a single person in power who would say:
    “What do we live for? What great things have we created in our native country? How and who will we remain in the history of the country and the memory of the people? Why are we going to power? To rake into your own stashes and fill your personal purse?”
    One and a half billion people should live in Russia - the country's resources and area allow it. It is then that we can talk about some kind of production. in a country where they can’t figure out anything about education, where there is no unifying ideology, where there is a glaring gap between rich and poor...
    Having replaced the socialist system with a liberal-speculative one, Russia lost not only its brothers and sisters in other countries, but also blotted out all the moral principles to which generations of Soviet citizens aspired...
  71. +1
    28 March 2023 20: 21
    Quote: sergej_84
    This is a fresh fable from the Internet, not confirmed by any official documents

    It is really difficult to argue about the reliability, because I did not find any clear documentary evidence, although I tried. Basically at the same level that I can tell you myself.
    As for "freshness" - no. I first heard about this from a history teacher, during an elective class, in the 70s. I can’t answer where the legs come from, but it’s very interesting)
  72. +1
    28 March 2023 20: 37
    One of the best, objective articles by R. Skomorokhov (almost completely coincides with my vision of the situation and the consequences of our lack of strategy)! The Russian Federation and China are fellow travelers, not allies.
    ps I can’t help but note: troll “guardians” immediately began to mobilize... winked
  73. +2
    28 March 2023 21: 54
    From a raw materials appendage of Europe to a raw materials appendage of Asia, now only poorer. This is all that the country's leadership could offer. I think this is a failure and this is a dark future.
  74. +1
    28 March 2023 22: 53
    Free resources from Russia in exchange for consumer goods and household appliances (although even these are from Chinese brands, like cars) from China. They will never fight for us and they are doing the right thing, but the great Pu kept putting out fires and helping anyone (remember the help from Covid in Italy), now in gratitude he will be arrested and killed if he comes to the place of help.
  75. +1
    29 March 2023 00: 16
    Absolutely agree with every word. I’ll just add to the last paragraph that Russia “will no longer become strong and confident both politically and militarily.” Because the strength of a country is its people. And in Russia the cat made people cry. For such a huge country there are a measly 140 million, of which almost half live around Moscow and St. Petersburg, and they are dying out, being replaced by foreigners, migrants and other low-grade lentils.
    Russia is an aging, dying country. Until the Russian people begin to give birth to 3-5 children, the death of the country is inevitable. But Russians won’t give birth, because Russian women don’t want that. For them, one child is already a feat.
    Well, that means we’re waiting another 20 years before the newcomers start slaughtering the Russians in order to build a bunch of warring Bantustans on the remains of the country, which China will then unwind and take over the entire Heartland.
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  77. -1
    29 March 2023 01: 46
    Those who count and write - everything is lost, are you the same pessimists in life? Just apply black paint.
  78. 0
    29 March 2023 02: 59
    What surprised me most in the article was that China needs us to prepare for confrontation with the United States))
    What kind of confrontation is there, is the USA going to compare its pussy with the Chinese? They will turn China around in no time
  79. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 12
    Quote from Kuziming
    1. China has no historical experience of alliance relations.


    China was our ally in World War II and the Korean Wars.

    Quote from Kuziming

    7. There is a demographic catastrophe in China, an aging population, and a lack of women. Young people have chosen passive existence as their goal, ideology is dying.


    Oh really? Is China depopulated, is there a shortage of workers? Are young people not energetic enough? Compared to whom? With American drug addicts?
    There are not enough women... for what? Are few children being born in China?
    What were you smoking, citizen?

    Quote from Kuziming

    11. In the Ukrainian conflict, China sees only an obstacle to the functioning of the new Silk Road.
    12. China has passed the peak of its power, and is heading towards another cycle of decline and fragmentation.


    How do you know this, what the Chinese see/don’t see?
    China is on the eve of another technological breakthrough. The dominance of the PRC (if the West cannot destroy it) is serious and long-lasting.
  80. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 15
    Quote from: NickShel
    Does China recognize Crimea as Russian? No. Does China recognize the LDPR and “new territories” as Russia?


    But the United States officially recognizes Taiwan as part of China, like it’s one country.
    Well, we still have to look for such allies! laughing
  81. 0
    29 March 2023 09: 17
    Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
    Rokossovsky, Zhukov and Vasilevsky with Bagramyan nervously smoke on the sidelines.


    Let’s say that in 1941-1942 these comrades also had a hard time with victories on the battlefield.
  82. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 26
    Quote: oleg Pesotsky
    Today's Russia is a state with a pronounced anti-communist and anti-Soviet ideology. That is, with the fact that it poses a threat to the foundation of state building in the PRC.


    No, just the opposite. A clear example of the results of “democratic reforms” in the Russian Federation disarmed Chinese dissidents and made their liberal propaganda ineffective. “Do you want to do in China what Gorbachev and Yeltsin did in Russia?” And the liberals there are covering their mittens at the moment, they have nothing to cover with. Most Chinese do not want such “democracy”.
    Russia, with its (negative) example, has significantly strengthened the ideological positions of the CPC.
    And yes... Putin is not a communist, but he is still not as stubborn as his predecessors. In China they see this and therefore for them he is a “comrade”.
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  84. 0
    29 March 2023 10: 29
    The agreements China has signed with other countries are largely similar. The President determines the level of bilateral relations, specific cooperation will be discussed with a professional team



    Is there a need for the President to sign an agreement with Russia on the construction of a bridge in the Far East and on some kind of technical cooperation with Russia? It's tiring.
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    1. 0
      April 2 2023 15: 02
      China really needs a strong (militarily) Russia independent from the West.
      Chinese leaders of this level do not visit Honduras.


      http://russian.people.com.cn/31857/414382/index.html
      In 11 days, President Xi Jinping traveled over 36 thousand km, visited five countries and six regions, and took part in almost 60 bilateral and multilateral events...
      Xi Jinping returned to Beijing after visits to the UAE, Senegal, Rwanda, South Africa, Mauritius...

  86. 0
    29 March 2023 15: 51
    其实中国人对俄罗斯人很有感情的 belay 只是表面上不结盟而已,其实已经是盟友了。
    中国人一直认为的是美国第一,俄罗斯第二,中国第三。
    Home中国和美国有机会1vs1
  87. -2
    29 March 2023 17: 32
    I started counting, but I got lost... How many times did Mr. Skomorokhov write “not allies.” But I think that “Comrade Xi” will be smarter. And he understands that alone, without an ally, China will not be able to stand up to the United States. And in the foreseeable future too. But I hope no one needs to be convinced that the United States has taken China seriously. They grabbed you by the quick, and until they put pressure on you, they won’t get off. The PRC has no other allies besides Russia and are not looming on the horizon. And if the Chinese about... in short, do not implement an alliance with Russia in a timely manner, they will receive PTs. As do we. IMHO, this union is simply inevitable. Yes, with misunderstandings, showdowns, tugging at the blanket, but it is and will be.
  88. 0
    29 March 2023 22: 06
    We ruined all the polymers from Roman Skomorokhov.
    We sell oil and gas to China cheaply. Why? Skomorokhov writes - because we are weak. It turns out that we have no SVO, no need for money and supplies of components. We have no sanctions. Roman wants Russia to be strong, like the USSR, and dictate the agenda itself. I'm FOR it too. But how does this fit with reality? In what world does Mr. Skomorokhov live?
    When we were a Western gas station - the author was satisfied, but a Chinese gas station - his pride did not allow him?
    The United States trades oil and gas in his world, can you imagine? Not corporations, but the state! And Roman doesn’t remember about the collapse of the American oil industry. This is how they became an effective oil-producing country....
  89. -1
    29 March 2023 22: 17
    By the way, I agree with the idea that the article fits perfectly into a PR strategy aimed at driving a wedge in relations between Russia and China. The performers are Russian-speaking tzipsosniks, the customers are the bustling West.
    There are problems in relations with China. Both current and for the future. And they are connected, first of all, with ourselves - do we know what we need? What we can? What do we have, what can we spend?
    And if we don’t know all this, then we can easily swallow the Western indoctrination in our native language.
  90. +1
    30 March 2023 01: 14
    For the PRC, we may well become some kind of analogue of an ally, but it will be more like a “wedding general” a la “oppositionist Zyuganov” in our politics, regarding our politics. That is, we will have a place “at the table”, we will have the right to make some kind of short, leavened match, we will be demonstrably respected on camera, but behind the screen of this window dressing the structure of interaction will represent an even more vicious dependence than it was on the West. The strategic significance of the alliance with us for the PRC as a whole is clear - a self-defending rear supplying resources and bristling with nuclear weapons, covering the PRC from the north (from everything). In this view of things, nothing superhuman is required from us, we ALREADY give everything. If there is no difference, why pay more? This paradigm of thinking is the paradigm of the Chinese and at the same time the “grassroots state of the union.” I wrote about the “upper state” at the beginning.

    You can glorify certain spiritual powers and qualities as much as you like, but what are the successes of the PRC over 20 years and what are ours? They see it - do we see it? What kind of alliance, in our understanding, can we talk about when the production of our modern aircraft and ships is in principle incomparable with the production of those in the PRC? We arrange them as “something like a neutral”, with which at the same time “everything is clear to everyone”, but at the same time it is “de jure” neutral. Sweden, Türkiye in BB2 - this is an example +-. To the edge of Spain. This state of affairs can change by moving the slider in one direction or another, but objectively we cannot be useful (as a military ally) for the PRC in anything other than organizing an epic end of the world. Because our other forces, judging by the observed picture, are head over heels for Ukraine, they are definitely not up to the Pacific Ocean or Taiwan, and definitely not for some powerful maneuvers in the Far East.
    How can we help China as a formal ally? I don't see the answer to this question.
  91. 0
    30 March 2023 10: 52
    Quote: eule
    顺便说一下,中国这个问题的根源,并且在他们的学校里把英语作为必修课,而且质量很高,以至于来自不同省份、有不同方言的中国人见会改用英语。随着一一长大,全世界都会生病。因为按照大数定律,15亿中国人中会有相当多的发明家。

    ............................. stop
    Nonsense! The vast majority of Chinese people do not speak English well.

    Chinese from different provinces communicate in Mandarin.
  92. 0
    30 March 2023 11: 26
    Quote: Conjurer
    。他也去洪都拉斯旅行吗?作者分析的太差了。
    Home的经验。因此,他是为了世界和一切美好的事物而反对一切邪恶的。
    Home The没有什么可以提供给我们的(一次,他不想卷入战争)。

    I don’t know what other Russian military technologies China needs now.

    Perhaps Russian nuclear submarine technology still has some value.
    1. 0
      30 March 2023 22: 41
      The Russian Federation has many very valuable technologies, but there are not so many complex solutions based on these technologies (interesting for China) and at the same time satisfying export conditions (for us).
      Regarding technology, this includes coatings and comp. materials, radars, nuclear technologies (including products of nuclear materials science and ROSATOM developments), technologies for the construction of military icebreakers and nuclear submarines, developments in heat-resistant ceramics, some developments in space early warning systems and military satellites, possibly something from electronic warfare, developments on a unified platform for tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, on individual equipment.
      In the field of microelectronics or robotics, we are unlikely to impress the Chinese, our space is also for the most part already archaic for them (not spacecraft, but rocket technologies for launching payloads), from fleet construction technologies they will definitely be interested in submarines and developments in northern specifics, perhaps in underwater uninhabited devices of different sizes. Regarding aviation, the Su-57 will be conceptually interesting to them, but for the most part the interest will not be in the ready-made solution, but in the coating, engines, and avionics.
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  94. 0
    31 March 2023 13: 49
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    How can we help China as a formal ally? I don't see the answer to this question.


    A nuclear umbrella, first of all. We are closing the northern direction for China, China need not fear a land invasion and can focus on increasing its naval power.
    The Russian Federation is one of the few (if not the only) countries from which the United States cannot cut off the supply of raw materials and energy resources in principle. All other suppliers are vulnerable and unreliable.
    The Russian Federation is China's strongest potential ally militarily. There are no other such allies. And at the same time, pro-Western “democratized” Russia may become the most dangerous US ally for China. Beijing understands this very well and will do everything to prevent the Russian Federation from taking a pro-American position.
  95. 0
    31 March 2023 23: 04
    It's not fun though....
    I would be happy to disagree and discuss with Roman, but alas, I think almost the same. It is better not to see, not to know and not to understand what is happening, than to understand, but not have a real opportunity to influence it and at least change something...
    We can only hope for a miracle and the Lord God.
  96. 0
    April 1 2023 06: 24
    ~~super-expanded super-raw materials super-appendage, diplomatic special scientific flows. import-export have never been equivalent and never will be. Fin, the Chinese economy is always re-closed in secrecy. and + we teach them science. they are small, not minor dirty tricks for us (
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  98. 0
    April 6 2023 17: 13
    Gaidar served as premier for six months. And he was in the government for less than a year. Thirty years ago
  99. 0
    April 22 2023 16: 03
    This analysis appears to have been made by someone who does not accept the long-term rapprochement between Russia and the People's Republic of China, which is in the process of becoming, taking shape. And the only ones who do not want this relationship to flourish are the United States and its vassals (because the US alliances with its “partners” are not alliances of equals). This analysis highlights the fact that the "West" is spoken of as if it is not suffering from accelerating socio-economic decline and that it no longer enjoys the military superiority that was once ascribed to it without any doubt, is being called into question ability and scientific and technological potential of Russia, despite the fact that it is a leader. of his undeniable successes, which provide the trend that Russia is inflicting a crushing defeat on NATO, in Ukraine... if whoever wrote this is Russian, then there is a saying that says: "There is no worse chip than from the same tree"

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