Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: UAV Tu-141 "Strizh" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fell in the Tula region after the impact of the electronic warfare complex "Pole-21"

The Russian Ministry of Defense commented on today's incident in the Tula region. As already reported by "Military Review" in one of news materials, an explosion occurred in the city of Kireevsk. Initially, it was reported that detonation of ammunition left over from the Great Patriotic War could occur.

However, the Russian Defense Ministry reports that a Ukrainian drone was the cause of the explosion. We are talking about the Tu-141 Strizh UAV, which flew several hundred kilometers in the airspace of the Russian Federation.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirms that the Armed Forces of Ukraine used the strike version drone.

From the report:

The grouping of Russian air defense systems deployed in the Tula region: S-300, Pantsir-S1 air defense systems, as well as Pole-21 electronic warfare systems provide reliable cover from this direction

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The Swift of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was affected by the indicated electronic warfare equipment, which disabled its navigation equipment.

From the report of the Ministry of Defense:

The unmanned vehicle, having lost its orientation, fell near the village of Kireevsk, Tula region. Specialists from the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Russian Emergencies Ministry and law enforcement agencies are working at the UAV crash site.

Comments

[Million]

It doesn't make it any easier for the victims.
Maybe it’s worth using electronic warfare equipment, it’s not necessary to use settlements?

[Gnefredov]

Maybe it’s worth using electronic warfare equipment, it’s not necessary to use settlements?

Maybe you shouldn't have hit it at all? Let yourself fly. True, then they will write "Where is our air defense" and so on in the same vein.
PS Do not shoot down bad! Shot down, too bad! You either take off the cross or put on your shorts.

[Mikhail Kononov]

It is necessary to shoot down, but not over the city. It is good that no one died. .. But in fact, for civilians, the drone itself fell or its MO landed on their heads .. ON 500 - 600 KM flew by. but they stopped him over the city .. There were no other places.

[Gnefredov]

It is necessary to shoot down, but not over the city

No one says that he was shot down over the village. After a malfunction, the aircraft goes into uncontrolled flight with a decrease and no one knows where it will fall. Simply put, they will shoot down, and the wreckage will also fall. There's nothing to be done here. Everything will fall to the ground and the downed bomber will fall, and the fighter, and the rocket, and the balloon, and the paraglider with the hang glider, they will all be on the ground. And it’s good if no one is in the place of their fall.

[cmax]

Quote: Gnefredov

It is necessary to shoot down, but not over the city

No one says that he was shot down over the village. After a malfunction, the aircraft goes into uncontrolled flight with a decrease and no one knows where it will fall. Simply put, they will shoot down, and the wreckage will also fall. There's nothing to be done here. Everything will fall to the ground and the downed bomber will fall, and the fighter, and the rocket, and the balloon, and the paraglider with the hang glider, they will all be on the ground. And it’s good if no one is in the place of their fall.

You are an awesome optimist. Suddenly, this decrease will lead a drone with a bunch of explosives to your house, will you also rejoice at such air defense work if you stay alive? And the question is, how did he fly almost four hundred kilometers from the border? Maybe you should have worked on it more carefully before!

[Gnefredov]

will you also rejoice at such air defense work if you stay alive?

I will thank our Lord that I remained alive and that this "bandura" did not reach the goal. This is the main thing.
And so, yes, I will rejoice at the work of our air defense. Do not be surprised, I am from those times when they taught to love the Motherland

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Gnefredov

I will thank our Lord that I remained alive and that this "bandura" did not reach the goal.

Did the Ukrainians tell you what their goal was? Surely not this garden?

[ZAV69]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Did the Ukrainians tell you what their goal was? Surely not this garden?

Well, the stump is clear that it is not in Kireevsk. Why shoot there? Hosiery factory? Toli is the case of Tula, there is KBP, Splav, Mashzavod, Combine. Or Novomoskovsk. Get into everyday life, the consequences will be hoo

[aglet]

"Hit bythimu the consequences will be hoo"
hit next time

[Arnok]

Yes, we have a lot here.
Like in the song:
"Muzzle, Barrel, Arsenal
Any street-Defensive!" (c)
But of course that makes it even more creepy.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

The unmanned vehicle, having lost orientation, fell
Would you be transgender, would you avoid the effects of electronic warfare? For a long time, ours determined its gender and orientation.

[cmax]

Quote: Gnefredov

will you also rejoice at such air defense work if you stay alive?

I will thank our Lord that I remained alive and that this "bandura" did not reach the goal. This is the main thing.
And so, yes, I will rejoice at the work of our air defense. Do not be surprised, I am from those times when they taught to love the Motherland

We all love the Motherland, but I would like the Motherland (in the form of air defense, nevertheless, a drone did not fly a dozen kilometers from the border) also loved us!

[Ingenegr]

Quote: Gnefredov

I am from those times when they taught the Motherland to love

Why not at the front? Or then there will be no one to love the Motherland?

[Gnefredov]

Why not at the front?

There is such a "thing" called age, you know...
Here, dig deeper into the brains of the fallen TU-141, please

[estate]

dig into the brains of the fallen TU-141

the filling is probably American - they are probing our air defense ..

[svarog77]

grow up a bit and then go?

[Gnefredov]

grow up a bit and then go?

You ask my eldest grandson, he will "knock" full 16 years this year

[Rinat Khametov]

It looks like the insurance contract needs to make an article not just from the fall of the plane, but from the fall of the unmanned vehicle

[Gnefredov]

It looks like the insurance contract needs to make an article not just from the fall of the plane, but from the fall of the unmanned vehicle

Great idea!

[health]

Do you understand that the purpose of this UAV was neither a farm, nor a village, nor a general store? Do you understand that the child prodigy flew to a strategically significant object. Not fate - did not fly. And only by the will of fate it exploded in a particular village. Do you have any advice on how to keep these things away from people? If yes, please state it. If not, take it for granted - it goes to oyna. EW worked as best it could.

[estate]

Do you have any advice on how to keep these things away from people?

they have good wishes .. These are either narrow-minded people or provocateurs ...

[aglet]

"If not, take it for granted - it's going to war. The electronic warfare worked as best it could."
in addition to reb, there are beeches, tori, all kinds of "s", MANPADS, air defense fighters. and all this too, couldn't it? either they don’t exist, or they don’t know how, or nobody needs it. when he arrives in Moscow, maybe they will start doing something, but strictly for Moscow. there all sorts of Kireevsky and Belgorods do not see point-blank

[AC130 Gunship]

To reliably block 1000 km of the border, you need these Beeches and C 20 times more

[Rinat Khametov]

The drone tried to bypass the air defense position area around Moscow ... I won’t tell you where it is located

[Mordvin 3]

EW is called "Field 21". So why did they land the projectile not in the field, but in the garden? Disorder. The title doesn't match the content.

[AlexTires]

By the fact that somewhere there is their positional area

[estate]

Title doesn't match content

this is a weapon, not an article in a glossy magazine ..

[Eug]

And l / s does not live in the field (not in tents or dugouts), but in the village. And it is right! And for sure, after the orientation was "muted", Strizh was still in the air for some time, so if he was shot down over a field or forest, there is no guarantee that even uncontrolled he would not have flown to the nearest settlement. In 1989, the MiG-23 from the territory of Poland, after the pilot ejected, flew to Belgium, where it fell along the fuel depletion, destroying the house and taking the life of one person ... it’s not for nothing that the sailors want the MZA shells not only to hit the anti-ship missiles, but would cause her detonation...

[aglet]

. "To put it simply, they will shoot down, and the wreckage will also fall. There is nothing to be done here."
He flew at least 500 km. was there really not one air defense fighter that would shoot him down in an open field? 16 houses were damaged, 3 people were injured. there is no air defense from the border to the very tula, the authorities also compose about the rab - it would be possible to crush him earlier if there was something

[Avsch]

If it was shot down, the explosion would be in the air and the damage on the ground would only be from falling debris, and not from the warhead. The work of electronic warfare is good, but hitting a missile in the air is much better.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mikhail Kononov

..OH 500 - 600 KM flew by. but they stopped him over the city .. There were no other places.

Another obsёr air defense of the Russian Federation !!! If you take from Kharkov to Tula, in a straight line 570 km,
I can't even imagine if it was a "dirty bomb" delivered by this "device"!
How would our MO and "beloved Guarantor" "sing" now.

[lopvlad]

Quote: kapitan92

Another obsёr air defense of the Russian Federation !!!

all such UAV attacks, except for the destruction of this or that object, simultaneously pursue the goal of identifying the presence of air defense systems in order to bypass it later using a massive drone raid.
Therefore, the Russian air defense managed 5+. And the air defense was not illuminated and the drone was filled up.

[cmax]

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: kapitan92

Another obsёr air defense of the Russian Federation !!!

all such UAV attacks, except for the destruction of this or that object, simultaneously pursue the goal of identifying the presence of air defense systems in order to bypass it later using a massive drone raid.
Therefore, the Russian air defense managed 5+. And the air defense was not illuminated and the drone was filled up.

Yes, of course, with such an explanation, you and the possible arrival of the UAV on Red Square explain!

[Alien From]

Yes, as usual, ""everything is under control, etc."", it's just that now it's harder and harder for them to hide every day, the 21st century is in the yard, which, by the way, does not please many of our fat-assed and delayed ....

[spektr9]

it’s just that now it’s harder and harder for them to hide every day

And why hide it, now everything is just fucked up by a drone, we say that it was landed by air defense, but the fact that it crashed into a strategic airfield or into a city is its wreckage ...

[estate]

he collapsed on a strategic airfield or on a city, so these are his wreckage ...

he did not crash on the strategic airfield ...

[spektr9]

he did not crash on the strategic airfield ...

Is Engels no longer strategic, or is it not a drone that crashed onto the runway?

[poquello]

Quote: Mikhail Kononov

.OH 500 - 600 KM flew by. but they stopped him over the city .. There were no other places.

for those who are especially capable of stopping swifts specifically in the right place, their cruising speed of 1000 km / h does not interfere with your fantasies, but it would be worth it

[aglet]

"their cruising speed of 1000 km / h does not interfere with your fantasies, but it would be worth it"
moment 29 - 2400 km / h, 9M82, 9M83 and 9M83ME. Their maximum speed can reach 8700 km/h. it's just a note

[Sarboz]

Quote: Mikhail Kononov

OH 500 - 600 km flew

Well, more than 400 from the border.

[estate]

Well 400 plus from the border

flew for a reason, but along a pre-explored route and with a specific goal ...

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Didn't they douse him with kerosene in flight? I would try again...

[Million]

Don't you understand the difference? Shot down over a field or shot down over a city. Is there really no mind at all?

[Gnefredov]

Don't you understand the difference? Shot down over a field or shot down over a city. Is there really no mind at all?

Shot down over the field, fell on the city. Inertia, you know...

[kakvastam]

You should have looked at the map, Google, go, they didn’t turn it off in Ukraine.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Gnefredov

Shot down over the field, fell on the city. Inertia, you know...

And there is absolutely no mind to calculate this force of inertia?

[Gnefredov]

And there is absolutely no mind to calculate this force of inertia?

Rather - time (there is also aerodynamics involved and the aircraft engine itself).

[kromer]

Quote: Million

Shot down

I re-read the article again to make sure that it was not shot down, but the navigation equipment of the drone was disabled. After that, he flew out of control.
From the article:

The Swift of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was affected by the indicated electronic warfare equipment, which disabled its navigation equipment.

Now, if control had been intercepted, they would have planted exactly where they needed to.

[kapitan92]

Quote from kromer

Now, if control had been intercepted, they would have planted exactly where they needed to.

If control would be intercepted, then they WOULD be deployed and sent back to the launch point!

[Consultant]

Quote from kromer

I re-read the article again to make sure that it was not shot down, but the navigation equipment of the drone was disabled.

It's amazing, "who" had the "mind" to put so many minuses on your comment !? After all, this is the whole point of what happened!

[TsShVS]

There are a lot of you Banderaites on VO.

[Gnefredov]

There are a lot of you Banderaites on VO.

Yes. Walking in shoals ... Sorry, they swim! Watching, laughing and watching :)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: TsShVS

There are a lot of you Banderaites on VO.

They reproduce by budding ... Like hydra .... in the tsipsobander swamp ...

[cmax]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: TsShVS

There are a lot of you Banderaites on VO.

They reproduce by budding ... Like hydra .... in the tsipsobander swamp ...

Some stupid people in search of tsipso are somehow not very tormented by the question - how did this drone fly so many kilometers from the border to the crash site? And why they didn’t raise aircraft to destroy it. Or they simply lured him like Kutuzov!

[poquello]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: TsShVS

There are a lot of you Banderaites on VO.

They reproduce by budding ... Like hydra .... in the tsipsobander swamp ...

Uh-huh, uh-huh, it just reminds me very much of a joke about a farted man in a crowded trolleybus and who was most indignant

[estate]

very much like a joke about a fart

the thief screams - hold the thief ...

[flicker]

There are a lot of you Banderaites on VO.

It's not just Bandera. Here at VO, the anti-Russian trend has always been considered a sign of good taste.
This "sign of good taste" has spawned a corresponding public.

The Internet Research Agency (Internet Research Agency, also referred to in the press and other sources as “Kremlebots”, “Troll Factory”, “Prigozhinsky trolls”, “Olginsky trolls”, “Lahtobots”) is a Russian structure headquartered in St. Petersburg, engaged in disinformation, the formation of public opinion, in particular by discrediting the Russian opposition. Agency uses fake accounts in major social networks and online publications, on forums and video hosting sites to promote the interests of the customer

By the way, "Internet Research Agency" and "Military Review" were born in about the same year, which I think is just an accident.

[aesculapius]

On the anti-Russian trend, but a critical attitude to reality

[flicker]

a critical attitude to reality

Yep, critical. This is not the first year here on the site and I remember very well this "critical attitude to reality"

[spektr9]

Yep, critical. This is not the first year here on the site and I remember very well this "critical attitude to reality"

But I’m wondering something else, why are you cheers-patriots and fans of the guarantor for a year now sitting on the site, and not in the trenches on the NWO? Or is it convenient to defend your "patriotic" position only from the sofa, but let others fight?

[flicker]

why are you cheers-patriots and fans of the guarantor have been sitting on the site for a year, and not in the trenches

I don’t see something here on the site of “cheers-patriots”, but I see a lot of “patriots of Israel” here. As for the "trenches", don't worry - we'll all go, and we'll also take the "patriots of Israel" with us, like a bag.

Now answer why the "patriots of Israel" are not engaged in their beloved Israel, but are trying to shake up the situation in Russia?

[Nesvoy]

Bots guards no less. Parity in one word.

[Simple]

Quote: Million

Maybe it’s worth using electronic warfare equipment, it’s not necessary to use settlements?

[quote = Gnefredov] Maybe it was not necessary to shoot down at all? Let yourself fly. [/quote]

Looks like there were reasons to "shoot down" electronic warfare, and not a rocket.
From the current situation, this was perhaps the only one, but as it turned out, the right choice - the resulting destruction and human casualties were minimal

[Million]

Accidentally fell in the private sector of the district center.

[Simple]

Yes, that there are practically no victims and destructions - this is pure coincidence.
It might not work next time.

[estate]

Might not work next time

many shout - war, and in war there may be civilian casualties ..

[kakvastam]

In Russia, even in the European part, getting into the city is a must.
Near that Kireevsk, there are forests and fields all the time, but we ended up in the regional center.

[estate]

and ended up in the district center

what are the versions?

[ZAV69]

What forests and fields? There, for example, from the mound near B. Kalmyk, there is a continuous village along the highway, and further to Tula along the village road after a kilometer., And in the other direction, the continuous urban agglomeration Novomoskovsk-Uzdlvaya-Donskoy-Kimovsk, you won’t understand which city is going

[poquello]

Quote: Simple

From the current situation, this was perhaps the only one, but as it turned out, the right choice - the resulting destruction and human casualties were minimal

glass was broken in several houses, but this is a disgrace !!!!! )))))))))))

[rosomaha]

here they want to say something else - to shoot them down on approach to our border, so that they fall at the cordon or (better) at the position of the "sender", so that we do not have any damage. And 2 typical questions for air defense - why do UAVs fly so deep into our territory ... how do they find gaps in air defense, why after how many episodes there is no increase in air defense along the entire border of the NVO - not focal, but continuous 2 echelons of air defense systems, ZSU and set of electronic warfare + aviation and satellite reconnaissance for the launch of an UAV. If an attack is expected in the battle zone, then such attacks are a blow to our prestige, faith in 100% protection of peaceful cities outside the NVO zone, and they raise morale and give them another reason for inf attacks. It was slaves themselves to attack preemptively, and not proceed from defense - they hit, answered ... and you need to hit the most sore spots .. constantly massively ... BUT the day began to make it impossible for them to respond in our territory.

[your1970]

Quote: rosomaha

And 2 typical questions for air defense - why do UAVs fly so deep into our territory ... how do they find gaps in air defense, why after how many episodes there is no increase in air defense along the entire border of the NVO - not focal, but continuous 2 echelons of air defense systems, ZSU and set of electronic warfare + aviation and satellite reconnaissance for the launch of an UAV.

There was such a country of the USSR with an awesome air defense system (as they said in "I Serve the Soviet Union") ...
And then one day M. Rust sat down on the main square of this country .....

[Gnefredov]

And then one day M. Rust sat down on the main square of this country .....

And only Gorbachev did not have time to run out to the square, to present a glass of champagne to Rust (28.05.1988/11.03.1985/XNUMX on the day of the border guard) on a tray. And although the fourth year has already begun since Gorbachev was elected General Secretary (XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX), he has already broken the defense industry through his knee for two years. Hmmm. In general, Rust sat down already in wrong country.

PS For me, the destruction of the USSR defense industry began on January 2, 1987, when the tacit reduction of NIIR began on the main topics of the institute.

[estate]

M. Rust sat on the main square of this country.

and the South Korean Boeing was shot down - is that good? Or only Matthias?

[Argon]

Moreover, Bolton blabbed that they were going to hit deep into Russia ...

[estate]

Bolton blabbed that they were going to hit deep into Russia

I can’t believe in the accidental chatter of the Boltons - they instructed me to say ...

[Zamira]

Quote: Gnefredov

Don't hit bad! Shot down, too bad!

First of all, the bad thing is that he flew there at all, this damn drone. It is necessary to shoot them down not on approaching the target, but on departure from the launch point, and even better, destroy these very launch points and all enemy drones, and not only...
You can not do it this way?
And so, of course - it's better to knock down than not to knock down ...

[estate]

It is necessary to shoot them down not on approaching the target, but on departure from the launch point, and even better, destroy these very launch points and all enemy drones, and not only ...

in short, you need to hit the White House - straight to the Oval Office ..

[Zamira]

Quote from nin

in short, you need to hit the White House - straight to the Oval Office ..

Perhaps, yes - indeed, shorter ... And, most importantly, much more effective (and more effective, however ).
Hmm... In general, it's not harmful to dream... But, damn it, how I would like to...

[Argon]

I also thought, but where is the air defense? Why can they fly so far, or was it our rocket and fell unsuccessfully, didn’t fly so to speak?

[estate]

I also thought, but where is the air defense?

There is air defense, but not everywhere - this is an expensive thing ..

[UAZ 452]

But who told you that electronic warfare was used over this very settlement? How do you imagine the work of electronic warfare systems? Probably - they irradiated the UAV, and it collapsed like a stone? Even if the engine stops instantly (if you fantasize), then an aircraft-type UAV will fall, depending on the speed and flight altitude, at some distance from the point of destruction. And if the electronic warfare causes problems with communication, navigation, then the device goes off course, which, apparently, happened. Or was the air defense supposed to let the drone go where it was flying? But all this does not negate the fact that it is necessary to shoot down such "goodies" much earlier, and not hundreds of kilometers from the border, all the more so - the Tu-141 is not the most difficult target. If the old Soviet "Swifts" deepen hundreds of kilometers into our territory, then some "Tomahawks" will reach the Kremlin.

[kromer]

Quote: UAZ 452

And if the electronic warfare causes problems with communication, navigation, then the device goes off course, which, apparently, happened.

Plus, it must be borne in mind that even if he loses control, he can plan more than 1 kilometer.

[AVA77]

What kind of nonsense, what is left of the old Soviet,
Engine, glider. and KT315. And the flight task was recorded on a gramophone record.

[Gnefredov]

Engine, glider. and KT315.

Only not KT315 CT was not installed on military products, and 2T315 (with military acceptance) did not exist in nature.
PS I don’t know how things are now, although KT315 is still being produced.

And the flight task was recorded on a gramophone record.

What for!

[AVA77]

kt 315 were in the military commissar, But for some reason the warriors loved 312 more
It's sarcasm about records.

[Gnefredov]

kt 315 were in the military commissar,

Did not have. Please don't overthink it.

But for some reason the warriors loved 312 more

This is not love, we used them because 2T312

It's sarcasm about records.

Duc! So I appreciated it. Cool turned out

[Harry.km]

Quote: Gnefredov

Did not have.

on special series (whatever that means) was either a rhombus or a dot ...

[MBRSS]

Gnefredov KT315 were definitely in radio stations, now I can’t say in which ones. And in the 1990s, they didn’t put anything. I have a round scarf lying around, where there are K10-7 conders (flags). A handkerchief, presumably from some kind of rocket-projectile weapon produced in 1991.

[poquello]

Quote: UAZ 452

Tu-141 is not the most difficult target. If the old Soviet "Swifts" deepen hundreds of kilometers into our territory, then some "Tomahawks" will reach the Kremlin.

I’m embarrassed to ask, why are “some Tomahawks” so much superior to the “old Soviet Swifts”?

[AVA77]

They did not exceed, they differed in marking, 2SB. 2SD or 2T or CT. For those who are in the subject.

[Arbeiternegast]

Tomahawks have much less EPR than swifts. And they can fly around the terrain, at low altitude.

[estate]

they can fly around the terrain, at low altitude.

I suspect these Swifts with control stuffing like Tomahawks ..

[Diger]

Quote: poquello

I'm embarrassed to ask, but what about "some "Tomahawks""

we answer.
1. 5400 kg vs +/- 1200 kg
Length: 14,33 m + Wingspan: 3,88 m vs 5,56 m + 2,62 m
The size of the physical fields for the radar is 2-3 times larger.
2. 19,6 kN vs 2,7 kN (the efficiency of turbines, as you know, does not exceed 40%), respectively, the rest goes into heat. The swift has 8 times more heat.
3.1000km vs 1600km-2000km
4. Tomahawk is much "smarter" and more accurate (15 m, against hundreds)
5. minimum 50 m (doubt) vs. 10-15 m
6. Swift one on a special trailer

and the tomahawk was (and will soon be) 4 pieces
[/ Center]
7. Tomahawk was originally born under the nuclear warhead, there is no Swift
8. Tomahawks are made, and there is not even a country left that made them.

[Diger]

Quote: UAZ 452

But who told you that electronic warfare was used over this very settlement

transmitting radio interference stations R-340RP from the REP "Pole-21" complex are located on cell towers at a height of up to 60 m
The greater the density of towers, the more efficient.
In the field of towers, well, very few

Quote: UAZ 452

And if the electronic warfare causes problems with communication, navigation, then the device goes off course, which, apparently, happened.

he has an autopilot, anyway. If the satellite navigation signal disappears or is clogged with interference, the "without NAP GNSS" mode should turn on
It looks like a hat to me.
1. GL8088s and ML8088s navigation equipment has built-in interference suppression, which allows it to work in difficult interference environments. Adaptive notch filter, e.g.
2. How can you "suppress" the signal of navigation satellites (4 minimum) in orbit at +30 km, with an emitter located at an altitude of 000 m, for an aircraft that receives a satellite signal at an altitude of 60 m.
Moreover, he takes it not only "from above", but also from the horizon.

Satellite engineers have long struggled to understand why GPS navigation systems on low-orbiting satellites, such as the European Space Agency's Swarm satellite, sometimes fail when the satellite passes over the equator between Africa and South America.
In the new work, researchers led by Claudia Stolle from the Helmholtz Center Potsdam - GFZ of the German Geoscience Center (GFZ research center in Potsdam) were able to establish a direct link between these cases of signal loss and storms occurring in the ionosphere at an altitude of 300 -600 kilometers above the Earth.

In the ionosphere, atoms are ionized by the action of sunlight, that is, they are split, which leads to the release of electrons. Storms in the ionosphere create small regions of space in which there is practically no ionized material, and the passage of a satellite signal through these regions of the ionosphere leads to a deterioration in the quality of the signal received by the Swar satellites.

3. GPS receiving antenna on top in the UAV body, interference emitter from below (deep). The signal (emitter) there is 20 watts.
until it reaches 5000 m / sin (elevation angle), it will lose power Square root of distance

[UAZ 452]

It looks like a hat to me.

I also do not completely rule out that the UAV fell due to a technical malfunction (how old they are already!), And our air defense only learned about it from reports of an explosion, chalking it up. But this is neither provable nor disprovable, so we will believe that the electronic warfare worked.

[Evil_critic]

In general, not bad, even with pictures! But still one-sided in terms of interference suppression. Interference is different, for example, simulating, masking. Fall within the bandwidth of the navigation receiver. And then what is the ratio of interference power to the power of the navigation signal will be at the receiving antenna of the receiver. The power of the navigation signal near the earth's surface is from minus 155 dBW to minus 161 dBW. To make it clearer, peaks are minus 120 dBW.

[Argon]

The funnel looked more like a point-y. It's too big

[Gnefredov]

The funnel looked more like a point-y. It's too big

Only similar because. in range - up to 120 km - "does not work."

[bobba94]

Warhead missiles 9K79, 9M79 (Tochka U) about 130 kg.
Warhead Tu 141 "Strizh" about 1000 kg

[Argon]

By the way, what prevents us from getting the same swifts from the warehouses and hitting the dill? Have we sold them all or disposed of them? We get T62 and T55 after all.

[Diger]

By the way, what prevents us from getting the same swifts from the warehouses and hitting the dill?

There are no strands.
1. most of it went to Ukraine
2. What was: shot in training and rotted. The Russian Federation did not treat them as carefully as Ukraine

[Maz]

At the German Ramstein base, our "partners" the Germans and others are converting Soviet jet drones flight and swift into kamikaze strike UAVs, stuffing them with modern means of orientation, control and anti-aircraft defense. According to experts, there are already 50 ready-made ones in the warehouse. And this attack was aimed at probing the air defense. Apparently, for this reason, they didn’t shoot down the missile, but used electronic warfare so as not to reveal the air defense system. So this is not the time to relax.

[poquello]

Quote: Maz

At the German Ramstein base, our "partners" the Germans and others are converting Soviet jet drones flight and swift into kamikaze strike UAVs, stuffing them with modern means of orientation, control and anti-aircraft defense.

but it is necessary to act like bourgeois, to collect all these remains of shpig, identify, present with a warning

[estate]

present with a warning

already warned - it does not work on them ..

[Diger]

Quote: maz

At the German base Ramstein

Why drag yourself to German when it is perfectly done at home.
Rammstein does not produce

modern means of orientation, control and anti-aircraft defense

and does not even have a device to unscrew the instrument compartment of this UAV.

[Alien From]

Dear members of the forum, doesn't the fact that this is the TULA region bother anyone? Where do these lines of ANY color start/end? And I will say, they are not, were not and will not be. A puppet theater in the form of a huge country in the hands of analogues in the world miners in action. Tired of helplessness. Sorry, boiled up!

[Zamira]

Quote: Alien From

Puppet theater in the form of a huge country

I'm afraid that things are even worse and the "theater" in general on a planetary scale.
There are so many absurdities and inconsistencies in everything that is happening that you don’t even know what to think, except that all this is a poorly staged performance for suckers.

Quote: Alien From

Tired of helplessness.

Exactly... Exactly so... (((
And do not apologize ... Not only you have boiled ...

[aglet]

"Maybe it's worth using electronic warfare equipment, it's not necessary to use settlements?"
Are you sure it's a rab? maybe he just flew to the target?

[Evil_critic]

The glass is half full or half empty...

[bambr731]

I can’t comprehend everything, how a bandura more than 5 meters long launched from Ukraine flies such distances over our territory. "Strizh" is not a small copter. It seems that in our country all air defense is sharpened only for ballistic missiles. How many times already such garbage - they could already cover this direction

[invisible_man]

bandura over 5 meters in length

To be exact, 14 meters long.

[bambr731]

In, almost the size of a fighter. It's hard not to notice

[estate]

It's hard not to notice

flies lightly and where "necessary" ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote from bambr731

. "Strizh" is not a small copter. It seems that in our country all air defense is sharpened only for ballistic missiles. How many times already such garbage - they could already cover this direction

It has long been necessary to accept the fact that the border with Ukraine = front, and the fact that the enemy is not advancing on the ground with regiments and divisions (and so far only terrorist groups) - this does not mean that air defense can be "places" - they have already said many times that such a "Swift" can be stuffed radioactive cargo - therefore, the air defense is obliged to take such measures and means to shoot down the "Swifts" behind the front line - behind enemy lines - and excuses about the lack of air defense systems - an indicator of the army's unpreparedness (in terms of air defense) for a "big war".
What to do ?? - make more air defense systems ... introduce an "AI brain" into the control of the air defense system to work in automatic round-the-clock mode.

[your1970]

Quote from bambr731

I can’t comprehend everything, how a bandura more than 5 meters long launched from Ukraine flies such distances over our territory. "Strizh" is not a small copter. It seems that in our country all air defense is sharpened only for ballistic missiles. How many times already such garbage - they could already cover this direction

What is incomprehensible here?
Air defense is not omnipotent - once. And extremely expensive - two.
Swift, who flew to the wrong side, has already flown 3 NATO countries, a fighter without a pilot flew to Belgium (well, they spotted it all the same), M. Rust flew in ...
Israel with its Dome periodically misses individual missiles

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Carefully planted right in the garden. Modernized Soviet UAV Tu-141 "Strizh", which traditionally carried an air bomb - high-explosive fragmentation ammunition OFAB-100-120. This Decepticon, left to the Khinzir as a legacy from the bright Soviet past, according to the news feed, makes regular flights to Russia.

[ankir13]

Yes Yes, Russia is a heavily overpopulated country, where you don’t shoot down, it doesn’t matter what kind of garden it falls into .... Or .... ohh ... schschschsch ... at the strategic bombers of the air base .... shhh !!!

[Iris]

The fact that you know how to copy-paste photos from another resource is good. What you heard about FAB is even better. But if you saw a funnel from OFAB-100 in the picture, then it is 2 (two) meters by one and a half meters in size. Here the funnel is many times larger. Your version? Chur, do not look at Wiki!

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: Kasatik

You saw in the picture a funnel from OFAB-100, then it is 2 (two) meters in size by one and a half. Here the funnel is many times larger

High-explosive fragmentation ammunition, which usually contains 46 kg of explosives and ready-made submunitions. When it explodes, a five-meter funnel is formed.

[nellyjuri]

Most likely it is. Found and disabled. Of course, it's not easy for people. But if they overslept, it would be no easier or harder for people, they would not care anymore.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from nellyjuri

But if they overslept, it would be no easier or harder for people, they would not care anymore.

What kind of people? In the Tula region, not people, or what?

[egorMTG]

Quote: Gnefredov

Maybe it’s worth using electronic warfare equipment, it’s not necessary to use settlements?

Maybe you shouldn't have hit it at all? Let yourself fly. True, then they will write "Where is our air defense" and so on in the same vein.
PS Do not shoot down bad! Shot down, too bad! You either take off the cross or put on your shorts.

- And if, by chance, the object where the EW "LANDED" the drone turned out to be many times "more important" than the one to which the drone was heading ...? There is only one conclusion - it is necessary to intercept when crossing the border.

[Bledar]

There is only one conclusion - it is necessary to intercept when crossing the border.

Oh, what's the truth? And in the Ministry of Defense, go and have no idea

[rafat]

Well, thank God that they still gave birth and said to the media that this electronic warfare worked out, but still it’s deep and a populated area and fell in the garden, and if it were in the house and if there was a kindergarten, it’s scary to think about school.

[alexander 66]

The problem is that there is no constant duty of the A 50 in the sky, and the UAV flies very low, not all radars detect it.

[Rumata]

Quote: alexandr 66

no permanent duty A 50 in the sky

So it is necessary, as in the air defense of the USSR, to hang balloons in the north and Khmeimim in Syria today.

[estate]

hang balloons.

in bad weather, the balloon is planted, and at that time they will strike .. although this is better than nothing ..

[acetophenone]

Quote from bambr731

I can’t comprehend everything, how a bandura more than 5 meters long launched from Ukraine flies such distances over our territory.

"Swift" was intended for reconnaissance to a depth of several hundred kilometers from the front line at transonic speeds.
Do you understand? It's SPECIALLY made for this.

[Rumata]

acetophenone
"Strizh" was intended for reconnaissance

Initially, it was just developed as a strike UAV, as they said then "cruise missile". But the stupid generals killed the project and, in order not to throw money away, they began to use it as a reconnaissance and target.

[Gnefredov]

Initially, it was just developed as a strike UAV,

Can I have a link to the proof? This is the first time I've heard of your version and I'd like to learn more about it. Thank you.

[Rumata]

Gnefredov

There is no fluff. I can only swear on my mom.
The teacher told us polkash in the military commissar. He personally participated in the tests in Gromov. The generals put pressure on the fact that avionics was expensive for those times for a disposable product and they accepted some other product. What - I do not know, he did not say. Besides, it was a big secret back then.
The scout is reusable and the Tupolev team managed to save the project with this.

[Gnefredov]

The scout is reusable and the Tupolev team managed to save the project with this.

Yeah. Thank you interesting option. By the way, the version has the right to life. Andrey Nikolaevich often arranged such "jokes". One story with TU-22 and TU-22M * is worth something. They changed one letter - like we are modernizing - and they created a completely new aircraft (they didn’t give money for a new one, but please upgrade).

[MBRSS]

Video about the history of Strizh:
https://youtu.be/X2NCAPdmIts
was originally created as a scout, judging by the video.

[aglet]

"You see? It's SPECIALLY made for this"
it was made 40 years ago. And what, he is still completely invulnerable?

[Evil_critic]

Yes, at least a hundred years ago! It's not about the time, but the principle of the flight.

[kakvastam]

provide reliable cover from this direction

Covering what/who? Certainly not "the settlement of Kireevsk, Tula region."
The fact that he didn’t reach Moscow (or where he was heading there) and didn’t hit the target is certainly good, but the fact that he climbed so far and dropped him not in the surrounding forests, but on the territory of the regional center, somehow didn’t Very. It was especially necessary to try to please not into a thicket or a swamp, but right into the city!

[esl462]

Fuck Moscow. There are more than enough targets around Kireevsk. Shchekino, Uzlovaya, Novomoskovsk are all huge chemical. factories.

[kakvastam]

to Moscow (or wherever he was going)

If you look at the map, options are possible, it's not about that. Too bad it didn't work out in a safe place. After all, there is a five-story building nearby, he could have hit it.
And that they were not aiming at the regional center, obviously.

[iury.vorgul]

In Tula itself there is an arms factory, 2 metallurgical plants. And Uzlovaya is a hefty railway station. Nodal. And I live 200 meters from this station. And from Kireevsk, where it fell - 15 kilometers. But it still sounded good.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from esl462

Novomoskovsk is all huge chem. factories.

Yeah, if they cover our chemical plant, it won't seem like much to anyone.

[estate]

if they cover our chemical plant, it will not seem to anyone

if they hit the center of any large city - the death of people + a blow to the political ..

[Rumata]

So what male genital organ of the Russian Aerospace Forces does not use such UAVs to destroy strategic bridges on the Dnieper ????
"Oh, don't get it, ah VFU air defense."
So launch at once a dozen of one bridge under the cover of electronic warfare, heat traps, decoys.

[Million]

We have already written repeatedly that our businessmen trade with Europe over the same bridges, so they must not be touched.

[estate]

over the same bridges, our businessmen trade with Europe

the situation is muddy - they don’t even try to hit ...

[ZeeD]

Maybe because we don’t have these Swifts left, that’s why they aren’t used for all SVO?
Yes, and this is not enough for the destruction of "strategic bridges". They endure more.

[cmax]

Quote: ZeeD

Maybe because we don’t have these Swifts left, that’s why they aren’t used for all SVO?
Yes, and this is not enough for the destruction of "strategic bridges". They endure more.

But there are still a lot of Su-24s left. Normal takeoff weight 32 tons. It was also intended to break through NATO defenses at low altitude. Load with explosives (bombs), no pilots. Of course, efforts must be made to equip the appropriate electronics for remote control. Here is a kamikaze ready for bridges, if it hits it will not seem enough.

[opuonmed]

it is necessary to destroy everything in ukrrr from watered forces to NATO soldiers, moreover, to the fullest, the further they go, the bolder they will be! if there is such an opportunity!

[estate]

from watered forces to NATO soldiers, moreover, to the fullest

pumped up with weapons -> it is necessary to destroy manpower ((

[ZeeD]

Well, I would not say that it is "reliable" ... Otherwise, it would not have flown several hundred kilometers into the territory of the Russian Federation. But somehow they dropped it.
Too bad it's within the city limits.
Good thing it didn't hit the target.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ZeeD

Good thing it didn't hit the target.

Question. What was the purpose of his flight? Maybe they just launched it, to whom God will send? Then he hit the target. Or maybe the Ukrainians were aiming at this garden?

[cat-begemot]

There is not enough air defense, hundreds of radars and launchers are needed to cover the zone of possible launches?
I think there is more politics here than the inability to shoot down. We need to keep our people in good shape and warm up dislike for 404.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I know those places well. I flew there. From Kireevsk to the border of Ukraine about 350 km. This is a small mining town that has been going through hard times since 1991.
And if you draw a line from Ukraine through it, it will become clear that the target was Novomoskovsk with its chemical industry.
Another thing is not clear, to what extent our air defense was "optimized" if the interception is already at the last line (this is if it did not fall itself). The area is steppe and flat.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

And if you draw a line from Ukraine through it, it will become clear that the target was Novomoskovsk with its chemical industry.

Here you are happy. There are such goals that will cover the entire city. Somehow, at the beginning of the XNUMXs, there was a rumor about the release of chlorine. So one of my colleagues put the whole family on the car and gave a tear. I ask him, Kolyukha, what are you doing? Vovan, do you even know what kind of dirty trick this is? Shut up, it's better. Then he asked the guys that they were working at the chemical plant, it turns out that the whole city can come to the fox.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

As I say, I know those places well. In the early nineties, they flew into a smoky trail from factory chimneys without turning off the external air intake (on the Mi-24), for about ten minutes then they tormented the cough.
And in the spring, for some reason, a friend of mine was carried to Novomoskovsk, on a Mercedes 123. Water from a puddle was doused, but he did not immediately attach any importance. So until the morning the paint was beaten like smallpox.

[TOR2]

It turns out the first combat use of the "Field - 21" complex. As an option, it was considered inexpedient to spend a long-range air defense missile, and the target did not reach the middle echelon.

[ave0123]

Probably, in order for the minusers and all-weeders to calm down, they need to raise taxes twice, and use this money to buy radars and air defense systems in China and Iran (since everyone has their lines busy). Would sell for a sweet soul. That's when they would ask: why are we not "protected". And then the wise men got divorced, along with the TsIPSOshniks ...

[Vic Vic]

Now, if, after the impact of the electronic warfare complex, the Tu-141 Strizh UAV of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fell without even reaching the border of the Russian Federation, and not as it happened, it fell 170 km away. from Moscow ...

[Magellan]

The main thing is that they shot down, and no one died. The Ministry of Defense stated that:

The unmanned vehicle, having lost orientation, fell near the village of Kireevsk Tula region.

[estate]

if, after the impact of the electronic warfare complex, the Tu-141 "Strizh" drone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fell without even reaching the border of the Russian Federation

is this possible?

[duschman80-81]

In the USSR, the Strizh was conceived as an attack drone, but in Ukraine it is being converted into a kamikaze drone. Presumably, its flight range is 1000 kilometers. (C)
Yes, the "swift" was never developed as an attack drone! It was a "camera with wings", decommissioned "swifts" were sent to the training grounds as targets. How could they miss a target the size of a MIG-21, this is a question for me! It's a pity that people got hurt.

[MBRSS]

Yes sir. According to this video:
https://youtu.be/X2NCAPdmIts
it was originally designed as a scout.

[Reader 2013]

It seems to be ancient, analog, there is no electronics there, what is the effect of electronic warfare

[estate]

It seems to be ancient, analog, there is no electronics there

it's been there for a long time...

[Cronus]

And why do you think that there was an impact and testing on this aircraft?
for me, the structures fell from old age or hit the Christmas tree as it was before, and in order to reassure the public, they said there was an impact, Everything is fine, Lead the target straight from the launch, etc.)))

[JD1979]

The Swift of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was affected by the indicated electronic warfare equipment, which disabled its navigation equipment.

Well, i.e. the victims take the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and scratch it in court, where they pull this same Ministry of Defense onto the globe.
For. MO and common sense exist somewhere in a parallel reality...
ZVO is the most crammed, according to the builder-mchsnik and guarantor, the district with the latest models of VT. Applications for a continuous radar field. The most dangerous missile-aircraft, after all, NATO from this side. It's been more than a year, something called CBO. periodic-permanent shelling, UAV flights, etc. And ... it never happened, and here it is again. Another museum-type UAV the size of a light fighter, with the absence of even the rudimentary signs of stealth technology, once again flies almost 400 km deep into Russian territory. He should have been spotted even on approaching the border, then the banal rise of the duty pair and the downing over the desert territory, well, or, as usual, near the object expected to be defeated. But, I don’t want to think about the alternative talent of those who made the decision not to shoot down physically, but to use electronic warfare, what logic can still explain that the drone was simply made a “monkey with a grenade”, and then “on whom God will send”. I suspect that "not only Ukrainians" should be afraid of their air defense officers, but also Russians. The genius who took this decision to court, and the commander of the air defense of this district, to go beyond professional incompetence in organizing his work at best.

[AdAstra]

With the pulling of the Moscow Region on a globe in court, it would have gone with a bang in some blasphemous SGA, but not with us with our judicial system, alas.

[Anadyrean]

Previously, they built better, with a margin of several decades.

[estate]

They built better before, with a margin

and the trees were bigger...

[Radical]

Quote: rosomaha

here they want to say something else - to shoot them down on approach to our border, so that they fall at the cordon or (better) at the position of the "sender", so that we do not have any damage. And 2 typical questions for air defense - why do UAVs fly so deep into our territory ... how do they find gaps in air defense, why after how many episodes there is no increase in air defense along the entire border of the NVO - not focal, but continuous 2 echelons of air defense systems, ZSU and set of electronic warfare + aviation and satellite reconnaissance for the launch of an UAV. If an attack is expected in the battle zone, then such attacks are a blow to our prestige, faith in 100% protection of peaceful cities outside the NVO zone, and they raise morale and give them another reason for inf attacks. It was slaves themselves to attack preemptively, and not proceed from defense - they hit, answered ... and you need to hit the most sore spots .. constantly massively ... BUT the day began to make it impossible for them to respond in our territory.

And what is the SPRN doing? In general, it is not clear how they are going to detect the launch of missiles of the Main Enemy several thousand kilometers away, if "under their noses" they do not see the launch of "Points", or Tupolev drones, in other words, cruise missiles?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Radikal

And what is the SPRN doing? In general, it is not clear how they are going to detect the launch of missiles of the Main Enemy several thousand kilometers away, if "under their noses" they do not see the launch of "Points", or Tupolev drones, in other words, cruise missiles?

Judging by the post, you absolutely do not understand the principle of operation and the capabilities of early warning systems .. they simply cannot and were not originally designed to detect targets in those areas, because. coverage field only on the western border of Ukraine begins..

[Sergey Valov]

A few thoughts about the leaky air defense of the Russian Federation. From Tula to Sumy about 550 km. Sumy took conditionally. The cruising speed of Strizh is about 1000 km/h. In total, it takes 30 minutes to fly to Tula Strizh. From the moment of crossing the border, even less. Even if they spotted it immediately after crossing the border, and most likely it is, it makes no sense to raise air defense aircraft, they will not have time, it is not realistic to constantly be on duty in the air. As for the ZRV, it is necessary that the target enters the zone of destruction of the permanently placed complexes. Thanks to the Americans, the Ukrainians know where they stand, and, most likely, the Strizh route was laid around them. It is impossible to break through directly to Moscow bypassing the positions of the ZRV. However, they shot him down earlier with the help of RTV, which, at least for me, is a great joy. So we can still do a lot. And now you can estimate how much time our air defense officers had to complete the task - to detect a target, transmit information to headquarters, make the necessary decisions at headquarters, set tasks for subordinate units and subunits, involved units and subunits, first accompany the target, then destroy. According to my estimates, everything took about 20 minutes. TOTAL 20!
About the fall in the village. At a speed of 1000 km / h, the device flies more than 10 km in one minute. After losing control, it flies for some time to no one knows where, but not necessarily vertically down. So try to drop a similar target on your chosen deserted area. Good luck! In the harsh reality, one must be glad that he did not fall on a residential building. (in my village a few years ago, a MiG-29 crashed a hundred meters from the school during lessons; I didn’t see any screams on the Internet).
And after that they will still talk about leaky air defense, stupid generals, and an incapable army. Shame on you gentlemen.

[JD1979]

Quote: Sergey Valov

In total, it takes 30 minutes to fly to Tula Strizh. From the moment of crossing the border, even less. Even if they spotted it immediately after crossing the border, and most likely it is, it makes no sense to raise air defense aircraft, they will not have time, it is not realistic to constantly be on duty in the air.

Come on? Pointless? Would you say the same if there was a chance that someone would drop it on your house? And given the fact that there is a NWO at nearby military airfields, there should always be a pair ready for take-off immediately, this is the basis.

Quote: Sergey Valov

As for the ZRV, it is necessary that the target enters the zone of destruction of the permanently placed complexes.

... S-400 not? "tsyferka" in the name ... ~ 360km, why is there really not a single complex on duty, when there are a lot of chemical industry enterprises in the direction of the UAV flight?

Quote: Sergey Valov

And now you can estimate how much time our air defense officers had to complete the task - to detect a target, transmit information to headquarters, make the necessary decisions at headquarters, set tasks for subordinate units and subunits, involved units and subunits, first accompany the target, then destroy. According to my estimates, everything took about 20 minutes. TOTAL 20!

A couple of minutes for the entire OODA cycle. If more, then all the stories about the unified control systems and information transmission of air defense / airborne forces turn into fairy tales.

Quote: Sergey Valov

And after that they will still talk about leaky air defense, stupid generals, and an incapable army. Shame on you gentlemen.

The fact of flying hundreds of kilometers by a unit the size of a MiG-15, "roaring like a beluga" at an altitude of 50-100 meters, and more than once, makes you think very much .... either our air defense is "the wrong system" or an organization . And I’m wondering if the “huge fools” who are under forty already fly in like that, and they need to be programmed for the entire route, then the same small and inconspicuous AGM-158B JASSM-ER, which themselves can analyze the situation and choose a route, in the current state of affairs and the reaction rates will be "intercepted" by the objects of destruction or, after all, by air defense systems? Something in the first I already believe more.

[t-12]

they won’t have time, it’s not realistic to constantly be on duty in the air

Is it not realistic to keep 2-3 aircraft in the air? Why then planes at all? Yes, and take off (if the plane is ready, and the pilot is in the cockpit) and fly to the target - this is 10 minutes. Well, another 3-5 minutes to make a decision and negotiate. And they should have been detected not at the border, but earlier.

[AdAstra]

Nooo, dear, you don’t need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence. My father served in air defense in Turkmenistan and he said that when they flew ten kilometers from that side. already a couple of interceptors were raised, he earned a promotion in the form of a vacation and the possibilities of equipment for filling were not like they were now, so it was not ONLY 20 minutes, but a WHOLE 20 minutes.

[aglet]

"And now you can estimate how much time our air defense officers had to complete the task - to detect a target, transfer information to headquarters, make the necessary decisions at headquarters, set tasks for subordinate units and subunits, involved units and subunits, first accompany the target, then destroy it."
how it all started! and it’s impossible, discovered, destroyed, and then reported to the headquarters? how long will this take?

[Sergey Valov]

“But it’s impossible” - it’s impossible, a real war, this is not a computer game. Firstly, some are found, and others are shot down. Secondly, no one has canceled passenger flights, but what if you have on your screen a passenger plane that has gone astray? Or sports? Or an unscheduled flight? Or is it just a rod interference, and you are a missile interference? For a complete understanding - I'm talking about the conditional Tula region, and not about the combat zone.

[storm]

And Where were the air defense / missile defense forces in the Kursk, Bryansk and Oryol regions, unfortunately the article does not indicate which route this SWIFT flew?
Why wasn't he shot down on the flight to the borders of Russia from Ukraine?
How did this huge aircraft from the 70s of the last century fly unnoticed over the border areas, where there are a lot of strategic objects and several million Russian citizens live?
It’s probably time for Strizh to fly around the village from the generals’ dachas so that they start moving their fat asses and ensure the inviolability of the borders of Russia, and not just Moscow.

[Frank Muller]

I suspect that the main air defense forces were pulled to these generals' dachas and the "huts - boors" of the ruling brethren. And the commoners will have enough of the official "concern", as well as "difficult decisions".

[Pavel57]

It was noted that the funnel is larger than that of the first Ukrainian Swifts.

[estate]

the funnel is larger than that of the first Ukrainian Swifts

times change...

[Amper]

Quote: Gnefredov

Maybe it’s worth using electronic warfare equipment, it’s not necessary to use settlements?

Maybe you shouldn't have hit it at all? Let yourself fly. True, then they will write "Where is our air defense" and so on in the same vein.
PS Do not shoot down bad! Shot down, too bad! You either take off the cross or put on your shorts.

Our Ministry of Foreign Affairs had statements on this subject, namely: .. "Russian strikes using precision weapons are aimed exclusively at military and energy facilities of Ukraine. However, the air defense systems with which they are trying to shoot down, in violation of international humanitarian law, are often located in residential areas As a result, parts of the downed missiles or the air defense missiles themselves fall into peaceful targets," Nebenzia said. War, double standards for everyone.
.

[certero]

why the hell did he then fly 200 km through the territory of Russia and was not immediately destroyed?

[estate]

why the hell did he fly 200 km then

you can’t see him very much - he flew along the ravines ..

[2 Level Advisor]

let's start with the facts. "Strizh" with an analog, old filling is definitely there, but you read somewhere on the Internet that it was modified in "Tomahawk" and it's not at all a fact that this is true and possible ... you just like this version, because explains many questions about air defense .. but what is true is not a fact at all, but a pure theory .. Have you ever thought about how difficult it is technically to do this, and most importantly, why and who will do it? I understand that if you really want to, you can fly into space, like they developed such a complex project with a completely new control system - for the sake of several dozen old UAVs? the likelihood of this is minimal.

[Frank Muller]

There was once a hit with the words "Fall, fall, rejoice the earth!". But in this case, there is no time for joy from the fallen drone: people suffered, the housing stock was destroyed, and the deadly "bird" drove too far. By the way, some analysts regard the latter as a new warning to the Russian elite (after yet another fruitless unofficial "agreement"), not excluding that "to be continued." Damn it, it looks like it!

[solar]

It is doubtful that Strizh lost his bearings from the effects of electronic warfare. Its orientation system is built on an inertial navigation system, and not on a satellite one, satellite can only be used as an auxiliary one. And in principle, you will not affect the INS EW.
Most likely some kind of failure or breakdown.

[fima_tut]

There was information on this resource that this is a modified version that "walks" on GPS, thanks to the "partners", including that it can move at extremely low altitudes.

[donavi49]

INS - now it costs three kopecks and you can shove a very decent dubbed into a swift. Enough energy and size. Another question is that the INS accumulates an error, which is inevitable and the CEP of arrival increases from the time of autonomous flight, distance and changes in flight parameters (maneuvers, change in speed).

[kenpachi]

Quote from: ave0123

And then the wise men divorced

Here are the villains! Look what they thought - cameras and voice recorders in their phones, cards again. Shovel in hand and dig until dinner.

[Alen Djarov]

Tin how far flew !!! And if it reaches Istra or Moscow! The main thing is not Krasnaya Polyana, I'm going there in a couple of days. Horror.

[Andrey1966]

"the removal of utilities has begun." ©
".. I am tormented by vague doubts ..."©

[Illanatol]

Quote: Mikhail Kononov

It is necessary to shoot down, but not over the city. It is good that no one died. .. But in fact, for civilians, the drone itself fell or its MO landed on their heads .. ON 500 - 600 KM flew by. but they stopped him over the city .. There were no other places.

The Russian Federation does not have such a quantity of air defense systems to evenly cover the entire territory. We have to cover what could be the object of attack. Cities or military installations that are sometimes near cities.
In short, they shot down where there were means to destroy air targets.

The flight of a Chinese balloon over the United States clearly showed that even with the Pentagon's budget, even the Yankees cannot protect the entire territory of the country from air threats.

[Yves762]

It’s interesting, if electronic warfare does not work a la EMP (inducing damage directly to electronic components), then how can it somersault an apparatus that also has an INS?

[Illanatol]

Quote: JD1979

Come on? Pointless? Would you say the same if there is a chance that they will drop it on your house?

What if there is no such possibility? If ours knew in advance what is the target for this drone?
Then all these cries - past the cash register. Intercepted, did not reach the chosen target - offset.

[fima_tut]

Probe air defense in the direction of Moscow, when to expect?

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: your1970

There was such a country of the USSR with an awesome air defense system (as they said in "I Serve the Soviet Union") ...
And then one day M. Rust sat down on the main square of this country .....

At that time, they could shoot down any air defense target only with permission from the Kremlin. They gave the go-ahead - knock down, but did not get through to the Kremlin, sit further and call, people in the Kremlin are busy, important, they will not answer every call. And the scandal with the South Korean Boeing is only that the order to shoot it down from the Kremlin came when the Boeing left the territory of the USSR. They would have allowed to shoot down earlier, there would have been no scandal, but the liberal leadership of the USSR needed a scandal. And after all, they could not give an order for destruction at all. But, they ordered to shoot down in international waters.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Mordvin 3

EW is called "Field 21". So why did they land the projectile not in the field, but in the garden? Disorder. The title doesn't match the content.

And this is another field... electromagnetic.
There are such fields, even Maxwell did not know electromagnetic gardens.
It probably affects the aircraft with strong fluctuations of this very electromagnetic field, similar to EMP. But the effect is not instantaneous, because the target does not scatter into atoms and continues to fly for some time, but uncontrollable.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

His electronic warfare burned. I called friends in Kireevsk. they say he first caught fire, and then fell. He did not fly to Kireevsk, that's for sure. And I think that soon such "gifts" will become commonplace. a Ukrainian had a lot of them in warehouses, now they are being modernized in the West and sent in our direction. The first one flew to Croatia in general, and NATO air defense also did not sniff ...

[German Brit]

Half of Russia flew by. How much air defense. Aha right now! I died and fell!

[German Brit]

shot down or fell himself Let's write shot down to put the layman to rest. This is not the first case!

[kakvastam]

I turned on the TV on purpose last night, but I never heard a single mention of the incident on any channel. So, there was nothing, you can do without even deep concern.

[Rusfaner]

"A group of Russian air defense systems deployed in the Tula region: S-300, Pantsir-S1 air defense systems, as well as Pole-21 electronic warfare systems provide reliable cover from this direction." (c)

My opinion - he himself fell. Its modernization was not carried out by the boys from the "Young Technician" circle and not on the basis of the magazine "To Help the Radio Killer".
It has at least three control channels, including an inertial system.
It is more frustrating that the 14-meter "piece of iron" was flying over the territory of the Russian Federation for almost half an hour and to some extent to the border of Russia, and it was not shot down! It turns out that there are not only radars, but even VNOS and cover by mobile MANPADS crews (no space reconnaissance will "catch" them.
Sad

[Uncle_Misha]

There is no low-altitude radar field along the border with Ukraine, or it is, but not continuous. Therefore, UAVs and other Swifts will fly. Regarding the wreckage from downed aircraft, the following can be said. Air defense systems are always placed on hills, preferably the complete absence of obscure zones, or their minimum. Plus, the main task of air defense is to prevent the protected object from hitting, and where the wreckage of both aircraft and missiles will fall, the tenth thing. It sounds cynical, but it’s true . For your information, the air defense was also armed with missiles with a nuclear warhead, in extreme cases it could be used over its own territory, and this is worse than the wreckage of the "Swift"