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Experiments on humans: American security

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Experiments on humans: American securityMore than 65 years ago, the US began nuclear testing on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific. For many decades, this topic was a kind of taboo for the Western world, especially for the United States, which tested the "devil", as the islanders themselves called it weapons under the good intentions "in the name of peace and security on Earth." However, at 2006, during international events dedicated to the 60 anniversary of the sad date, a decision was made at the UN level to formally investigate all the circumstances and effects of American tests on Aboriginal people and the environment.

During this time, several dozens of expeditions of scientists, as well as activists, members of environmental non-governmental organizations and human rights activists were sent to the Marshall Islands. Participated in the study of problems and officials of the UN. Summaries, conclusions and recommendations will be presented to the Human Rights Council at the United Nations Headquarters in Geneva by Special Rapporteur Kalin Gergescu in a few days.

As you know, the Americans tested the first atomic bomb in the atmosphere of 16 July 1945, on their own territory, near the town of Alamogordo, New Mexico. Then - on the inhabitants of Japan: the nuclear apocalypse of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is celebrated annually since August 1945. After that, the US authorities decided to test a new weapon away from their own territory. The choice fell on the poorly populated, lost in the Pacific Ocean Marshall Islands, which immediately after World War II were under UN control, and after the explosions in 1946 on Bikini Island of two American atomic bombs, the tutelage over them was transferred to the United States. The White House has made serious commitments: "to protect the inhabitants of the islands from the loss of their lands and resources" and "to protect the health of the inhabitants of the protected area."

How exactly the Americans “defended” the people entrusted to them and their land, it became apparent from the declassified in 1994, as well as recently official documents. It turned out that this "guardianship" pulls on an international tribunal. "Between 1946 and 1948 for years," the author of The Danger of Nuclear War: The Rongepele Atoll Report by anthropologist Barbara Johnston told me, "The United States tested 66 nuclear bombs on or near Bikini and Enivitk atolls from the inside of the islands and, as declassified documents show , hitting the local population. "

The total explosive power on the Marshall Islands was 93 times higher than all US atmospheric nuclear tests in the desert of Nevada. It is equivalent to more than 7000 bombs dropped by the US on Japanese Hiroshima.

In March, 1954, a secret test codenamed "Bravo" was conducted on Bikini, the results of which stunned even the military. The island was virtually destroyed by a hydrogen bomb, which was a thousand times higher than the power dropped on Hiroshima. "On the eve of this test," environmental activists Jane Goodall and Rick Esselta told reporters, "the weather deteriorated, and in the morning when the test was conducted, the wind blew directly onto American warships and several inhabited islands, including Rongilep and Utrik. However, despite the fact that such a wind direction posed a danger to people living on these islands was bombed. Huge clouds of sand, white ash settled on several atolls, hitting people, including a small number of Americans there. "

In general, according to estimates from declassified US materials, as a result of nuclear tests, about 6,3 billion curies of radioactive iodine-131 were released into the atmosphere over the Marshall Islands. This is 42 times as large as the 150 of millions of curies released as a result of tests in Nevada, and 150 times as many as 40 of millions of curies after the Chernobyl accident. (According to expert estimates, emissions at the Japanese nuclear power plant Fukushima currently range from 2,4 to 24 million curies, and they are still in the process.)

However, according to the documents, not only the local population suffered because of secret nuclear weapon tests. Under the "distribution" near the island of Bravo in 1954, the Japanese fishing vessel Daigo Fukuryu Maru ("Lucky Dragon") also fell. All crew member 23 received heavy exposure. One of them, Kuboyama Aikishi, died a few weeks later. (The Americans, on the other hand, donated antibiotics to the Japanese for the treatment of the irradiated crew.) At the same time, the residents of the islands were not warned about testing, they were not taken out at least to this time to a safe place. Without knowing it, they had actually experienced the deadly effect of nuclear explosions on health.

As Barbara Johnston says, unsuspecting, irradiated Aboriginal people from Rongepele Island after the tests were resettled and became objects for the Americans to conduct top-secret research on the effects of radiation on human health ("4.1 Project"). Even then, the consequences of radiation penetrating into the human body were ascertained and documented, but these people did not receive any treatment. The results of the movement and accumulation of radioisotopes in the marine and terrestrial environments of Rongepep and other northern atolls were also not made public at that time.

In 1957, the irradiated natives, as reported in the recently presented to the US public documentary film “Nuclear Wildness. The Islands of the Secret Project 4.1” (by Adam Horowitz), were returned with great fanfare to their homeland, where they built new houses in the affected area. This was, say the creators of the US incriminating film, a planned experiment. (In the USSR, something similar happened in 1986 after the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant - then, at the suggestion of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, homes for displaced people were built in the affected areas.) American medical scientists observed an irradiated population of people in the natural, so to speak, conditions of acquired radioactivity. Officials from the Department of Defense and the US Atomic Energy Commission ran it all.

Physicians landed on the islands every year to examine the deteriorating health of the local population with x-rays, blood tests and other methods. The results were carefully documented and stored in the military and medical annals under the heading "Top Secret".

People on the islands of Rongilep and Utrik got skin burns, their hair fell out. But then in the report of the US Atomic Energy Commission for the press it was said that several Americans and Marshallians "received a small dose of radiation. But there were no burns. Everything went fine." In a closed report by the authorities, it was stated that 18 islands and atolls could be contaminated by radionuclide fallout as a result of tests under the Bravo project. A few years later, in a report by the US Department of Energy, it was noted that, in addition to the 18-mentioned ones, other islands were also contaminated, and five of them were inhabited.

In the 1955 year (at the height of the nuclear tests on the Marshall Islands), the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation was established by a group of well-known nuclear physicists. There was a wave of protests in the United States itself. More than two thousand American scientists in 1957 have demanded that the authorities immediately stop testing nuclear weapons. About ten thousand researchers from more than four dozen countries sent a letter of protest to the UN Secretary General.

However, in response to the legitimate demand of the Marshall Islanders to stop nuclear testing and the destruction of the islands, Great Britain, France and Belgium proposed an agreed draft resolution, which cynically indicated that the United States has the right to conduct nuclear testing on the trust territory "in the interests of world peace and security."

However, nothing strange. By that time, Great Britain and France were already conducting their own nuclear tests with might and main, and a ban on such tests by the United States would automatically put an end to their own nuclear developments. Therefore, despite the protests of the world community, the US continued nuclear explosions in the Pacific Ocean.

The Soviet Union, which tested its own atomic bomb in August on 1949, also took part in the campaign against nuclear testing in the Pacific. In 1956, the USSR declared a moratorium on tests, believing it was obvious that few nuclear countries would follow its example. But instead of sitting at the negotiating table and deciding whether to stop testing or at least a temporary moratorium on them, the United States and the United Kingdom conducted 30 new explosions, including on the Marshall Islands. The last "mushroom mushroom" covered the sun over them in 1958.

The first tumors of the thyroid gland appeared in the inhabitants of Rongelep in 1963, after 9 years after testing one of the most powerful hydrogen bombs. Due to nuclear tests, about a thousand residents of the Marshall Islands, according to independent international experts, died from cancer and other diseases. Only 1865 people were officially recognized by US authorities as victims of US nuclear testing. They were paid compensation in excess of $ 80 million. More than 5 thousands of islanders have not received any compensation, because the US authorities did not consider them victims of a nuclear strike or radioactive contamination. Now, apparently, this injustice will be corrected.

But the horrendous consequences for humans and the environment could well have been avoided. And in general, the whole world история could go differently if the UN accepted the proposed 1946 of the USSR in June (even before the first nuclear test on the Marshall Islands) "International Convention on the Prohibition of the Production and Use of Atomic Energy Weapons for Mass Destruction." But this document remained a project. Neither the United States nor its allies were ready for such a turn of events. They were rushing their other development - an unprecedented race of new weapons - nuclear ones - began. And there are some islands and their inhabitants (not Americans, moreover) for the authorities of the emerging superpower had no meaning.

Only five years later, in July 1963, after the exhausting negotiations between the USSR and the United States and Britain, the unprecedented "Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water" was signed. According to Russian experts, published in the Atomic Energy Bulletin, by this time about 520 nuclear tests in the atmosphere had already been conducted on the planet. The USA and the USSR detonated more than 210 atomic and hydrogen bombs, Great Britain - 21, France - 50 and China - 23. France continued to test in the atmosphere until 1974, and China - until 1980 year.

The report of the UN Special Representative for September of this year on the results of research into all the circumstances of the American nuclear tests on the Marshall Islands and their impact on the human population of the Pacific region, as well as the public international tribunal created for this, will probably become another step to outlaw nuclear weapons ( one such decision of the International Court of Justice in The Hague already exists), which means its destruction.
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  1. mda
    mda 2 December 2012 08: 58
    +14
    Yes, this story once again proves that the United States is important only for its interests.
    1. YARY
      YARY 2 December 2012 09: 29
      +14
      Without a red flag over Raist ... forgive the Capitol, no law and court have been written to them !!!
      1. mda
        mda 2 December 2012 09: 53
        +8
        Quote: Ardent
        Without a red flag over Raist ... forgive the Capitol, no law and court have been written to them !!!

        Nah, better let a meteorite fall on fasciston.
        1. Bunny
          Bunny 2 December 2012 12: 21
          +13
          If we destroy nuclear weapons, what will we do with our NATO partners? And also China at hand?!.
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 2 December 2012 15: 52
            +5
            Bunny,
            This is just for us and China to make this decision of a handful of purchased clowns called The Hague International Tribunal. If the United States didn’t need it, they would not even dare to give a hint about it. Another question is why the Amers need this !?
            Either they can’t afford their own tests already with such a public debt, or they have some other terrible weapons that we don’t know (chemical, bacteriological), or even more fantastic, they have the ability to test nuclear weapons outside the Earth. (In space)
            It’s hard to believe in the common sense of US policy! I’ll soon believe in the above versions! bully
          2. alex-defensor
            alex-defensor 2 December 2012 19: 43
            +2
            USA under the control of the World Elite, here is the true EMPIRE OF EVIL !!!

            And EVIL SHOULD BE BROKEN !!!
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 3 December 2012 11: 56
              +1
              alex-defensor] And EVIL SHOULD BE BROKEN !!! [


              BURY!!!
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 2 December 2012 12: 24
        +21
        For me, it’s much more important to raise this Red Flag over the Kremlin! And then we'll see if we need that capitol or not.
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 2 December 2012 13: 03
          +1
          He is raised above him.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 2 December 2012 18: 42
            +4
            the flag that now flies over the Kremlin, in fact, during the Great Patriotic War fought on the other side.
            http://www.cirota.ru/forum/view.php?subj=84105
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 2 December 2012 12: 22
      +10
      And what do you want from people guided by American values, by the way, we are also actively introducing them into our education. Soon we will go to church like Americans on Saturdays but believe that the main thing is money and personal success!
    3. Ross
      Ross 2 December 2012 14: 23
      +6
      mda,
      It’s just that the American elite, the official of the same Fed, always treated all peoples as cattle, including the people of the United States. They are always internationalists, they do not care what country. Only Switzerland is a safe haven for banks.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 December 2012 09: 06
    +20
    after all, pin-ups are the natural lasts of fascism. their true national hitler hero
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 2 December 2012 12: 26
      +6
      And our prime minister - the natural last of America - the braids!
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 2 December 2012 12: 49
        +3
        Quote: S_mirnov
        And our prime minister - the natural last of America - the braids

        it's hard to argue with that. one word twitter
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 2 December 2012 13: 06
          +1
          Well, on Twitter and besides him, many go. And what exactly does he cause your displeasure? Why is he worse than others? If without emotion.
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 2 December 2012 13: 14
            +4
            Quote: homosum20
            Why is he worse than others? If without emotion

            yes, he is somehow amorphous. there is no rod in it. something like this. and electronic toys are as happy as a child. as if in childhood he had "wooden toys nailed to the floor"
            put a plus sign for the question
          2. Yeti
            Yeti 2 December 2012 13: 41
            +4
            Quote: homosum20
            And what exactly does he cause your displeasure?

            And the fact that he’s the prime minister as a ballerina.
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man 2 December 2012 15: 50
              +1
              Quote: Yeti
              And the fact that he’s a prime dancer from me

              And have you tried?
              Dance, it can work out. laughing
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 2 December 2012 18: 06
                0
                old rocketman,
                And have you tried?
                Dance, it can work out.

                So something prevents a bad dancer ... laughing
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 2 December 2012 18: 51
                  +5
                  But essentially what (that Medvedev is a complete insignificance and a follower of American politics) has nothing to say? We're going for jokes, maybe you can juggle as well?
          3. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 2 December 2012 18: 49
            +1
            Well, health:
            http://video.mail.ru/mail/habbadu_net/490/
            since they themselves are not able to understand, type in Yandex - smart people will explain.
          4. Antistaks
            Antistaks 2 December 2012 23: 13
            +3
            The fact that I with higher education and a bunch of categories can not find a job. And the prime minister is on Twitter and the president of the cranes is launching.
  3. Serg_Y
    Serg_Y 2 December 2012 09: 10
    +16
    Zhukov conducted exercises using a nuclear explosion, for objectivity, they could mention. One-sided article, although for information (+).
    1. mda
      mda 2 December 2012 09: 13
      -1
      Quote: Serg_Y
      Zhukov conducted exercises using a nuclear explosion, for objectivity, they could mention. One-sided article, although for information (+).

      And where does the exercise to test nuclear weapons near inhabited islands
      and subsequent human experiments?
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 2 December 2012 10: 32
      +13
      By the way, about Zhukov and the test, my neighbor, a 81-year-old zinger, participated in exercises in the Totsky camps where nuclear weapons were tested and was 9 km from the epicenter of a bomb explosion. He himself told how he greeted the Marshal when he visited his dugout with a radio station. There were no other soldiers closer to the center. 2 hours after the explosion, chemical reconnaissance began, another 2 hours later tanks went behind them through the epicenter, infantry. The neighbor himself went to the epicenter the next day. The ground beneath my feet was like sintered lava, which fell under my feet. Radioactive contamination was minimal, as everything burned out in a ball of fire. According to him, after that the decontamination of equipment and people was carried out. He went to the center without a gas mask. And here came the infantry in gas masks.
    3. dimanf
      dimanf 2 December 2012 12: 11
      +6
      Quote: Serg_Y

      Zhukov conducted exercises using a nuclear explosion, for objectivity, they could mention. One-sided article, although for information (+).


      I agree. The information is interesting. But the emphasis is on exposing the pindo camp.
      Our rulers do not think about people either.
      When testing weapons they were not thought of.
      But Chernobyl, where the soldiers manually cleaned the roof of the reactor, is it better?
      Even with the disposal of ammunition, dozens of people die in our country.
      I am very negative about pin-dos, but many authors on the site are simply trying to distract us from the problems of our country by shifting all the problems to the inhabitants of the capitol.
      OLD RECEPTION. If there are problems within the country, find an external enemy!
      1. Serg_Y
        Serg_Y 2 December 2012 13: 36
        +2
        Yes, any extreme is bad, I even get the impression that the mess in the world is the result of an agreement between the two extremes. In fact, no one is going to agree, everyone either considers himself the main thing or agrees to leave it as it is.
      2. Yeti
        Yeti 2 December 2012 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: dimanf
        OLD RECEPTION. If there are problems within the country, find an external enemy

        Well, in these matters, we are far from amers! So people should know the enemy in all its manifestations. And their problems, how not to distract attention, will not go anywhere.
        1. Serg_Y
          Serg_Y 2 December 2012 14: 19
          0
          Yes, a single goal is a good foundation, no matter what it is, a world financial center, ideology, or religion. There is already a financial center in the world, the ideology was destroyed by the construction of communism in 1980, there are many religions. Yes, and the desire of people for material values ​​is not restrained, even the USSR was ruined for this, so there remains a man-made catastrophe (which the "religion of consumption" clearly promotes) or an invasion of aliens.
      3. old rocket man
        old rocket man 2 December 2012 16: 04
        0
        The main "achievement" of democracy is irresponsibility, elections have passed and everything can be blamed on the predecessors. all politicians are the same, standing in the water and not soaking your feet is not possible. What is the policy that the cop will be a good person, he won’t go there and he won’t either stay or go away
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 December 2012 15: 57
      -6
      Quote: Serg_Y
      One-sided article, although for information

      Quote: mda-a
      And where does the exercise to test nuclear weapons near inhabited islands
      and subsequent human experiments?

      There is no difference. In addition to what we tested on our own (why women feel sorry for them, they still give birth).
      I want to add that no one checked what the tests on Novaya Zemlya led to, in our "north" the consequences, too, do not worry, Mom, just zero information.
      1. mda
        mda 2 December 2012 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        I want to add that no one checked what the tests on Novaya Zemlya led to, in our "north" the consequences, too, do not worry, Mom, just zero information.

        Well, I don’t know. I lived in Vorkuta, my father lived, my mother lived all alive and well. Although the consequences of the nuclear weapons test in Novaya Zemlya were raining in December.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 2 December 2012 18: 17
        +5
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        . In addition to what we tested on our own (and why pity them, women still give birth).

        There was already an article on this site, it described a case of testing pin.dosa.mi nuclear weapons on its own military personnel. And comparisons were made, as it was with us and with them. So, we tried to protect the soldiers to the maximum, unlike them. So do not la-la. Already tired of "people were not taken care of in the USSR, but in the enlightened West ... there, yes ... humanism ...".
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 2 December 2012 18: 55
          +4
          Quote: revnagan
          the case of testing pin.dosa.mi nuclear weapons on their own military personnel.

          And not one:
          "Military exercises with the use of nuclear weapons were carried out in USSR (twice) and in the USA (ten operations). According to estimates by the US Department of Defense, about twenty 210 thousand soldiers and officers. In the Soviet Union, participated in exercises 46,5 thousand. military personnel.
          July 23, 1946. Marshall Islands (US custody), Pacific Ocean, Bikini Atoll. A 27 nuclear test bomb was fired at a depth of 21 meters in the lagoon of the Bikini Atoll. Teams participating in the ship survey were heavily exposed
          USA, Nevada, testing ground on November 1, 1951. A 21 kt air test nuclear explosion was carried out. At the time of his military units with a total number of several thousand people were at a distance of about 11 kilometers from the site of the explosion and watched the development of events. Some time after the passage of the shock wave, individual units marched in the direction of the epicenter of the explosion (not reaching it about one kilometer). Then, according to a special technique developed in the American military department, the behavior of soldiers and officers who were affected by the damaging factors of the explosion, their reaction to orders (Wasserman, Solomon, 1982; US Atmospheric Nuclear Tests Database, 2004) was assessed. November 5, 1951. A 31 kt air test nuclear explosion was carried out. We studied the behavioral and psychological characteristics of military personnel after exposure to the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion on April 1, 1952. 1 kt airborne nuclear explosion. About 10 thousand troops at the time of the explosion were at a distance of 6,4 kilometers from the epicenter. 2 hours after the test, military units made march-throws to the epicenter. In this case, no personal protective equipment was used. April 15, 1952. 1 kt airborne nuclear explosion. April 21, 1952 A 31 kt airborne nuclear explosion on May 1, 1952. 19 kt airborne nuclear explosion. The military units, without using any personal protective equipment, made march-throws to the epicenter of the explosion. May 25, 1952. Terrestrial nuclear explosion with a capacity of 11 kt. February 8, 1955. 1 kt airborne nuclear explosion. The exercises involved 8 thousand troops on August 31, 1957.
          44 kt nuclear explosion. He was watched by thousands of soldiers of units deployed 29 kilometers from the epicenter. Two days later (September 2, 1957), most of them participated in maneuvers conducted 5 kilometers from the site of another explosion. And a day later, all these soldiers were involved in exercises as close as possible to combat conditions, as well as in the dismantling and transportation of contaminated equipment. In June 1985, the US National Academy of Sciences published the results of a study of mortality among participants in these military exercises. Were analyzed causes of death among 49 thousand "nuclear" veterans. Of the 3554 test participants, ten people died from leukemia under the age of 45, which is two and a half times higher than the expected risk (Wasserman, Solomon, 1982; US Atmospheric Nuclear Tests Database, 2004).
  4. patriot2
    patriot2 2 December 2012 09: 11
    +5
    Is nuclear weapons illegal? Well this is not about us and the states. It is necessary to achieve a reduction in the number of warheads and their carriers on equal terms for all owners of nuclear weapons - firstly. And then its prohibition. The club of nuclear powers is constantly growing, but this must be fought.
    Well, about morality, so the amers think about this last.
    1. alexng
      alexng 2 December 2012 09: 50
      +5
      Quote: patriot2
      Well, about morality, so the amers think about this last.

      They don’t think about morality at all. I already wrote about this, that the USA is the most dangerous HUNKERS on this planet. The USA is a cancerous tumor on Planet Earth and something needs to be done about it. How much can these fascists endure?
      1. Serg_Y
        Serg_Y 2 December 2012 12: 17
        +4
        Be patient we have survived ancient Rome, they will disappear in their own cesspool.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 2 December 2012 15: 59
          +1
          Serg_Y,
          Namesake! Do you hope to survive them !?
          I hope at least my grandchildren will not see this Sodom and Gomoru! winked
          1. Serg_Y
            Serg_Y 2 December 2012 16: 21
            +1
            These are the laws of physics of a cesspool always gathering somewhere, the main thing is to decide on the place and promote it, therefore, at the expense of surviving the question is difficult. When the world will appear, then this terrible financial imbalance will stop, when one country as a state controls the financial flows of the whole world. It's a freebie and a freebie in Africa, only in Africa the country is called "banana", and the United States is the "financial center of the world."
    2. lotus04
      lotus04 2 December 2012 09: 56
      +6
      Quote: patriot2
      Is nuclear weapons illegal? Well this is not about us and the states. It is necessary to achieve a reduction in the number of warheads and their carriers on equal terms for all owners of nuclear weapons - firstly. And then its prohibition.


      Patriot! And what will you dismiss today's "friends" with? "Kalash"? We will not catch up with them today in conventional weapons. So the only means of deterring "our good neighbors on the planet" from their "humanitarian bombing" is nuclear weapons. And slogans such as: - "Down with nuclear weapons", today should be considered as sabotage. During the existence of the USSR, the question would have disappeared by itself. The army was up to par. But for some reason then, about the destruction of nuclear weapons, proposals from the foams were not received.
  5. wolk71
    wolk71 2 December 2012 09: 19
    +7
    Of course, to achieve their own goals, they easily walk on the corpses of thousands of other people. For them, the goal has always justified the means and it does not matter who paid for it and how.
    1. mda
      mda 2 December 2012 09: 29
      +5
      Quote: wolk71
      Of course, to achieve their own goals, they easily walk on the corpses of thousands of other people. For them, the goal has always justified the means and it does not matter who paid for it and how.

      I completely agree! good
  6. maksim
    maksim 2 December 2012 09: 40
    +2
    Despite the discovery of the facts of the past with them as with a goose-water !!!, the numbers are certainly amazing.
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 2 December 2012 10: 05
    +9
    In 1956, the USSR declared a moratorium on trials,

    if the UN accepted the proposed USSR in June 1946

    Our country, in contrast to the "peace-loving" amers tried to save the planet from this shit. It's a pity it didn't work out.
    Overseas two-faced creatures are constantly trying to make the USSR an aggressive and bloodthirsty country, although they themselves are just criminals who must be judged!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 2 December 2012 10: 36
      +2
      It is clear to everyone that the hardened thief himself is shouting louder than anyone else, and in no case should one refuse nuclear weapons.
      1. mda
        mda 2 December 2012 11: 20
        0
        Quote: valokordin
        It is clear to everyone that the hardened thief himself is shouting louder than anyone else, and in no case should one refuse nuclear weapons.

        no, you need to get rid of him ... when it only remains on
    2. Serg_Y
      Serg_Y 2 December 2012 12: 21
      -6
      There is no need to make the USSR a peacemaker, Zhukov wanted to reach the Atlantic, only nuclear weapons were a real force capable of stopping us. The "Manhattan" project would have ended in failure, all Eurasia would still be singing the International.
      1. mda
        mda 2 December 2012 13: 04
        +8
        Quote: Serg_Y
        all Eurasia would still sing the International.

        in my opinion it is better than worshiping the dollar
        1. Serg_Y
          Serg_Y 2 December 2012 13: 39
          +1
          For me personally, yes, but I'm an engineer and worship technology, not a manager who worships financial results.
        2. Yeti
          Yeti 2 December 2012 13: 46
          +8
          Quote: mda-a
          The "Manhattan" project would have ended in failure, the whole of Eurasia would still be singing the International

          Well, what’s wrong here! Or is hepibёzdey better?
          1. Net
            Net 2 December 2012 18: 40
            +6
            What is there to capture Eurasia, a country in ruins must be restored, and not be conceived as Trotskyists. We had no such plans. Moreover, in those countries that later became part of the social services. the bloc passed quite a democratic election.
  8. talented villain
    talented villain 2 December 2012 10: 29
    +8
    I was struck by the wording "in the interests of global peace and security" with which the three European countries sentenced the islanders. Not only are you to blame - we need to prepare a few more red flags.

    P.S. Recently there was an article about voting at the UN against the Nazis. The Marshal Islands supported USU.
    1. Bunny
      Bunny 2 December 2012 12: 23
      +7
      Quote: talentedvillain
      Recently there was an article about voting at the UN against the Nazis. Marshall Islands supported USU

      No wonder now only mutants live there! They do not care whom to support, if only paid.
      1. Yeti
        Yeti 2 December 2012 13: 49
        +4
        Quote: Bunny
        They don’t care who they support, just to be paid

        A bottle of fire water and a pack of camella - that's the whole board!
  9. Bykov.
    Bykov. 2 December 2012 10: 31
    +3
    I can still understand why the "free press" in the West was silent for 65 years.
    But why did ours support this taboo?
    1. Bunny
      Bunny 2 December 2012 12: 26
      +11
      Quote: Bulls.
      But why did ours support this taboo?

      And where is she "ours"? .. Ours - she is not ours at all ... You can imagine Svanidze exposing the stinking west! belay
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 3 December 2012 04: 41
        +1
        Quote: Bunny
        And where is she "our"? .. Ours - she is not ours at all ...

        Yes. I probably agree.
  10. nokki
    nokki 2 December 2012 10: 35
    +6
    My friend, who works in the Chernobyl zone, says that Americans are very interested in the results of environmental monitoring in the Exclusion Zone. How valuable are they?

    The comrade makes such a vivid comparison: they can easily defend a couple of dozen doctoral dissertations!

    I will say directly: the results of research by our and Ukrainian scientists have gone and are going to the West! And what can you do: such a corrupt life has gone!

    So the American stigma appeared here too!
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 2 December 2012 10: 56
      +2
      The Americans hope that (for example), after the nuclear weapons are put down first against Russia, and destroying some cities, they can almost safely work in these areas without consequences. They just want to take away the territory of Russia and share it together with their sixes and pump out resources FOR FREE, but at the same time they are not afraid of arriving in territories infected with nuclear explosions. For this they are investigating the consequences of Chernobyl and other areas affected by a nuclear explosion.
      1. mda
        mda 2 December 2012 11: 30
        +10
        Quote: djon3volta
        Americans hope that (for example) after the nuclear weapons are put down first against Russia, and destroying some cities, it will be possible to almost safely work in these areas without consequences. They just want to take away the territory of Russia and share it with their sixes and pump out resources FOR FREE, but at the same time they are not afraid of arriving in territories infected with nuclear explosions. For this they are investigating the consequences of Chernobyl and other areas affected by a nuclear explosion.

        in short, one could say that if there were no radiation as a damaging factor, then amers would have attacked us a long time ago.
  11. Rus2012
    Rus2012 2 December 2012 10: 38
    +7
    Quote: talentedvillain
    I was struck by the wording "in the interests of global peace and security" with which the three European countries sentenced the islanders. Not only are you to blame - we need to prepare a few more red flags.


    There are facts and fresher and we know them ...

    But, 05 I was struck by another, recently discovered for myself - my friend returned from Australia, where he lived a good 10let, and he said: it turns out that the local natives there were not considered people there until the middle of 60xx. Literally, they could be shot like a kangaroo on their sown area. And no ships - went on an equal footing with the beasts ...
    1. biglow
      biglow 2 December 2012 12: 47
      +2
      about the Aborigines a little wrong, the aborigines of Australia were considered part of the local flora and fauna. According to their mental development, they are very far below and cannot be integrated into modern society, and it’s unambiguous. These aborigines are one of the surviving dead ends of humanity.
      1. biglow
        biglow 3 December 2012 21: 27
        0
        why minus, about the backwardness of the natives there are whole scientific research.
        That’s interesting to read. Lynn R. - Racial differences in intelligence. Evolutionary Analysis - 2010
  12. taseka
    taseka 2 December 2012 10: 47
    +10
    I remember how a colonel in a school told how he, as part of a regiment in a convoy, stood on the Totsky training ground and fired an atomic bomb - there was panic, some were caught on the steppe, and they still dug trenches for 10 days there, so that we have training with l / with were too! And then it seems to me that the USSR on the northern islands no less smacked - everyone was preparing for an atomic war, trained, developed!
  13. talented villain
    talented villain 2 December 2012 10: 58
    +2
    The USSR banged on Novaya Zemlya thoroughly. But there were mainly so-called "periodic" tests and they were supervised by nuclear physicists. The most interesting thing from the story about them (according to the stories of the pilots) is that they just jumped into the turntable after dropping the bomb into the mine and immediately burst the alcohol. Bursting for two days. Burn: "The surest remedy against radiation."

    But the peace-loving French where they dropped their 50 bombs ??? Right! Also on the islands! Cooking another flag ???
  14. Ascetic
    Ascetic 2 December 2012 11: 12
    +17
    Tests of nuclear weapons with 1945-1998 in the form of an animated movie




    In total, about two thousand nuclear tests were carried out in the world, of which 1771, with a total capacity exceeding 460 Mt, fall on the share of the USA and the USSR.
    The most powerful test conducted in the world; USSR, 1961, 58 Mt. Famous Khrushchev’s kuzkina mother or tsar bomb
    The number of devices actually exploded exceeds this figure, and it is more difficult to determine. Sometimes bombs during the tests failed to detonate, and sometimes one test included the detonation of several devices.
    U.S.: The US program for 47 years (the first explosion took place on July 16, 1945, the last on September 23, 1992) includes, according to official data, 1054 tests and 2 nuclear attacks. The first figure also includes 24 trials conducted at the Nevada training ground in conjunction with the UK, and 27 experiments for peaceful purposes. A total of 1151 devices were blown up in the USA.
    331 ground tests carried out, mainly at the Nevada training ground and on the Marshall Islands. Ten trials were conducted elsewhere in the United States, including Alaska, Colorado, Mississippi, and New Mexico.
    The total energy release of all US nuclear tests is estimated at 180 Mt in TNT.
    THE USSR: In the period from August 29, 1949 to October 24, 1990, the USSR carried out, according to official estimates, 715 tests of nuclear weapons and nuclear explosions for peaceful purposes, detonating 969 devices, mainly at the Semipalatinsk test site and Novaya Zemlya, as well as several various places in Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Ukraine. The total energy release of all nuclear tests of the USSR amounted to 285.4 Mt.
    On the Semipalatinsk test site 456 nuclear explosions were carried out with a total energy release of 17.7 Mt. Of these, 86 are airborne (total TNT equivalent is 6.0 Mt), 30 ground (0.6 Mt) and 340 underground (11.1 Mt).
    On the training ground on Novaya Zemlya the first nuclear explosion was carried out on September 21, 1955. In total, 130 nuclear tests were carried out on it. Of these, 91 - in the atmosphere and under water, including: air - 85, ground - 1, surface - 2, underwater - 3. Underground tests were carried out 39, including: in wells - 6, in adits - 33. General the number of explosions - 224, the total TNT equivalent - 265.2 Mt.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 2 December 2012 11: 19
      +11
      France: 210 trials, mainly in Algeria and French Polynesia.
      United Kingdom: 45 trials (21 in Australia, including 9 in South Australia at Maraling and Emu Field, the rest in the United States when conducting joint trials).
      PRC: 45 tests (23 ground and 22 underground, at the Lop Nur base in Malan)
      India: 5 to 6 underground tests ..
      Pakistan: 3 to 6 trials.
      North Korea: 1 declared explosion (October 9, 2006).
      The most powerful nuclear explosions, USA
      October 31, 1952 10 ct
      February 28, 1954 15 ct
      March 26, 1954 11 ct
      May 4, 1954 13 500 ct
      June 28, 1958 8 900 ct
      July 12, 1958 9 ct
      Heavy Duty Nuclear Explosions, USSR
      October 23, 1961 12
      October 30, 1961 58
      August 5, 1962 21 100
      September 25, 1962 19 100
      September 27, 1962> 10
      December 24, 1962 25

      Khrushch annealed not childishly ... truly make the eccentric pray to God ..
      1. Normal
        Normal 2 December 2012 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic

        Tests of nuclear weapons with 1945-1998 in the form of an animated movie

        Yes, the impression of the video is strong. Especially at the very end where the number of nuclear explosions in the USSR is shown. The complete impression that we were bombed.
        I recall youth and the atmosphere of expectation of a large, nuclear war. Lessons of NVP, a mother in a sandruzhina, gas masks, dosimeters and respirators at home, huge steel doors in the school gym that blocked the aisles in the bomb shelter.
        Considering how many nuclear explosions were carried out on the planet, it turns out that there has already been a nuclear war. It's still cold. God forbid us, our children and grandchildren to see a hot nuclear war.
      2. WW3
        WW3 2 December 2012 15: 01
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        October 30, 1961 58

        “Tsar bomb”, she is “Kuzkin’s mother” ...
        The authors of this toy included A. Sakharov ... Officially, the AN602 bomb did not have a name.

        1. WW3
          WW3 2 December 2012 15: 21
          +5
          The name “Kuz'kina mother” appeared under the impression of N. S. Khrushchev’s famous statement “We will still show America Kuz'kin mother!”.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 2 December 2012 17: 22
            +5
            WW3,

            Here are some more interesting documentary shots. Underground nuclear explosion for peaceful purposes, liquidation of the accident at one of the gas fields.

            1. WW3
              WW3 2 December 2012 17: 49
              +2
              I heard about such technologies for extinguishing fires in gas wells, the shock wave shifts the layers and the well is shut off .... combustion stops .... but I see the video for the first time. Thank Ascetic!
        2. Serg_Y
          Serg_Y 2 December 2012 15: 48
          0
          Yes, it’s impossible to break, on fusion technology they created weapons half a century ago, and for life there is still nothing except the sun.
      3. GG2012
        GG2012 2 December 2012 17: 48
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic

        Tests of nuclear weapons with 1945-1998 in the form of an animated movie


        Quote: Ascetic
        Khrushch annealed not childishly ... truly make the eccentric pray to God ..


        But there were still industrial nuclear explosions ... State idiocy was then the norm.

        1972 in the Kharkiv region 3.8 kT sank. In those places, there is still phonitis and high mortality from cancer. And the power that the Soviet that is independent, stupidly silent and pretends that there is no problem.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%E0%EA%E5%EB_(%FF%E4%E5%F0%ED%FB%E9_%E2%E7%F0%FB
        % E2)
        http://cripo.com.ua/?sect_id=5&aid=55632

        September 16, 1979, in the Donetsk region in the coal mine "Young Communard", in the city of Yunokommunarovsk, a nuclear explosion was carried out.
        http://znich.org.ua/?p=12
        http://2000.net.ua/2000/aspekty/energija/69058

        On September 19, 1971, 300 kilometers from Moscow and 4 kilometers from the village of Galkino, Kinesham district (Ilyinsky rural administration) of the Ivanovo region, an underground explosion of a nuclear device with a capacity of 2,3 kilotons was carried out on the left bank of the Shacha river. It was one of a series of "peaceful" nuclear explosions carried out for industrial purposes. The experiment was conducted by order of the USSR Ministry of Geology and bore the code name Globus-1. The depth of the GB-1 well, in which the nuclear charge was laid, was 610 meters. The purpose of the explosion was deep seismic sounding along the profile of Vorkuta-Kineshma.
        http://tainy.net/17171-yadernyj-vzryv-v-centre-rossii.html


        Brief information:
        The last industrial explosion of the USSR (the 700th nuclear test in a row in the Soviet Union) thundered on September 6, 1988 in the Arkhangelsk region of the RSFSR. Name - "Rubin", capacity - 8,5 kilotons.

        The "geography" of peaceful nuclear weapons on the territory of the USSR with reference to regions and republics is as follows.

        RSFSR - 80, including: Arkhangelsk region - 4 Astrakhan region - 15 Bashkir ASSR - 6 Ivanovo region - 1 Irkutsk region - 2 Kalmyk ASSR - 1 Kemerovo region - 1 Komi ASSR-4 Krasnoyarsk territory - 9 Murmansk region - 2 Orenburg region - 5 Perm Region - 8 Stavropol Territory - 1 Tyumen Region - 8 Chita Region - 1 Yakut Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic - 12 Kazakh SSR - 39 Uzbek SSR - 2 Ukrainian SSR - 2 Turkmen SSR - 1 (the names of the regions are given in accordance with their names in the USSR ) The total number of explosions in the interests of the national economy is 124.


        And about accidents with nuclear emissions, you can talk for hours.

        Those who visited Dneprodzerzhinsk (the birthplace of Brezhnev L.I.) and Zheltye Vody can confirm that there are still open warehouses with luminous materials there. The protection of these warehouses is present only on paper, the Ministry of Emergencies does not fight with a leak into groundwater, new premises are not being built. But the budget grandmothers are written off for all this ... bless you!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 2 December 2012 18: 07
          +5
          Quote: GG2012
          1972 in the Kharkiv region 3.8 kT sank. In those places, there is still phonitis and high mortality from cancer. And the power that the Soviet that is independent, stupidly silent and pretends that there is no problem.


          Near Kharkov, too, they tried to use the technology of shear gas layers of nuclear explosives. The attempt failed. A fiery geyser burned for another year, and a radioactive cloud spread to half of Ukraine. All this was hushed up and kept in strict confidence.
          My webpage

          Peaceful atom in the USSR. Here is a complete list of nuclear weapons for industrial use.
          My webpage

          MAP OF INDUSTRIAL NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS
    2. timurpl
      timurpl 2 December 2012 11: 39
      +1
      Looked to the end ... exciting! smile
      - A little upset by the statistics - throughout the tests we lagged behind in quantity by 2 or more times! Although in terms of "tonnage" we "made" them !!!
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 2 December 2012 11: 52
        +5
        Quote: timurpl
        I was a little upset by the statistics - throughout the tests, we were 2 or more times behind in quantity! Although in terms of "tonnage" we "made" them !!!


        Due to Khrushchev’s heavy duty charges. At that time, the aiming system of our ICBMs was an order of magnitude worse than that of the US, so the emphasis was on super-heavy missiles (the Chelomei Proton was just created for these purposes) capable of delivering super-powerful charges. As veterans of the Strategic Rocket Forces said
        Accuracy is compensated by the power of the charge. Then the need for them disappeared due to the fact that we were able to catch up with the Americans on this issue. Most of our warheads placed on carriers are of the order of 150-200kt, of course there are megaton charges, but they are relatively few
    3. MG42
      MG42 2 December 2012 14: 06
      +1
      Powerful movie - a symphony of nuclear testing! The picture of the nuclear apocalypse is direct - to beat the keys of the piano - each note - a new nuclear missile starts.
  15. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 2 December 2012 11: 18
    +1
    Democracy in all its "glory"
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 2 December 2012 11: 21
    +7
    Stalin forbade Zhukov to drop the "allies" troops back into the English Channel, and time is showing in vain! Such allies had to be pressed on the vine. Perhaps the world would have been different?
  17. anchonsha
    anchonsha 2 December 2012 11: 22
    +2
    As the United States carried freedom and justice with the struggle for "human rights and his security", it continues to carry it all over the world, relying on the same France, Britain, and now small Europeans in the form of Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states. .. So far it will be so, but so far, this cannot continue for long.
  18. Rus2012
    Rus2012 2 December 2012 11: 51
    +2
    Quote: talentedvillain
    that they only hopped into the spinner after dropping a bomb into the mine


    ... this seems to me from the field of tales ...
    Because no one dropped bombs into the mine.
    Everything was done differently - digging passages, different - horizontal, vertical, shorter-branched. And not anyhow, but calculated. YaU-installed also by the rules. In the galleries and aisles, the tested technique was installed (on the effect of EMR and other factors). The charge was undermined ...
    The charges were different: both standard ammunition and experimental.

    By the way, not so many tests were carried out by dropping from the aircraft and launching missiles with standard warheads. Scores of dozens ...

    In addition, the so-called "peaceful explosions" in the interests of the national economy. They were done in various ways. Regular - a well was drilled to a given depth, a charge was released there ...
    1. talented villain
      talented villain 2 December 2012 12: 01
      0
      Guilty, but:
      a) I did not set out to describe the entire technological process of charge installation;
      b) this is known from reliable sources;
      c) you are a godsend for the spy! burned all the technology!

      The video is super. How much territory dirtied !!! Especially in the USSR - polygons are scattered throughout the country (
  19. tomket
    tomket 2 December 2012 12: 02
    +1
    Well, would we drop their troops in the English Channel, but how would we shoot down the B-29? and what we knew on board the B-29 in the 1945 year.

    by the way, an interesting decision to prohibit nuclear weapons, for 75 years they did not remember any aborigines, and here on you, a fit of humanism and philanthropy, the authoritative statement of some Novodvorsk and posner people is lacking, "no empire is worth the tears of a child, la la la let's disarm ourselves read the story "Metro 2033" "
    1. mda
      mda 2 December 2012 12: 15
      0
      Quote: tomket
      Well, would we drop their troops in the English Channel, but how would we shoot down the B-29? and what we knew on board the B-29 in the 1945 year.

      Lend-Lease during the war brought us fighters capable of shooting down any US aircraft. And I think the amers regretted it
      1. Serg_Y
        Serg_Y 2 December 2012 13: 48
        -1
        The MiG-1 was originally a high-altitude fighter, and the problems with its combat use at the very beginning of the war were precisely the low efficiency at low and medium (German theater) altitudes. With the shooting down of the B-29, it would have been problematic, but the nuclear weapon itself for "Uncle Joe" I think is an ARGUMENT.
  20. Temer
    Temer 2 December 2012 12: 02
    0
    Amers always did not care about the opinions of other countries and peoples. They only think about their own benefit.
  21. tomket
    tomket 2 December 2012 12: 32
    0
    and then would they also deliver engines to us on Aerocobras after a couple of months of a protracted war? Yes, and they did not give us the cream of their aircraft industry. I believe that in 1945 there was a stalemate both for us and for the West, we would not reach England, they were they couldn’t have resisted our tank armies on land, so they decided to postpone everything until later.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 December 2012 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      then they would also deliver engines to us on Aerocobras after a couple of months of a protracted war

      There would be no protracted war, in the years 45-46 the United States did not have stockpiles of nuclear weapons, the bombs were in single copies, it was just that they all fought to the neck and force the people to wage another war, and it was not possible against yesterday’s allies, this concerns and americans and us equally fellow
  22. Bosk
    Bosk 2 December 2012 12: 59
    +1
    A large iceberg is so terribly terrifying to the big ship, and moving forward this ship crushes and chops many ice chips to the smithereens, mostly even not noticing it .... it’s good that a couple of icebergs remained in this sea-oyana that prevent this vessel from waltzing across the seas as she pleases ..... As long as there is a balance ... balance ... the world is in the world, and if the balance is disturbed then it will lead to anything but the current does not take off ....
  23. homosum20
    homosum20 2 December 2012 13: 38
    +2
    History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. Now that the consequences are known, secret materials published at the time of the decision are published - it is easy to criticize the decision makers. However, thanks to their decisions, we did not lose the arms race, they became and remained a Great Power. And if it were not for the betrayal of the tagged and the drunk - I think a lot would be different now.
    And in existing realities, the factor of nuclear deterrence is the only reason why we remain a sovereign country
  24. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 2 December 2012 13: 41
    +2
    Stop experimenting, you have to work! bully
  25. WW3
    WW3 2 December 2012 13: 43
    +1
    especially for the United States, which was testing the "devilish", as the islanders themselves called it, weapons under good intentions "in the name of peace and security on Earth."

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions! am
    Due to nuclear tests, about a thousand residents of the Marshall Islands, according to independent international experts, have died from cancer and other diseases.

    The islanders cursed the amers to the seventh knee for these trials .... there probably is now dangerous to stay without a geiger counter ... phonet ...
    a public international tribunal will perhaps become the next step for outlawing nuclear weapons (there is already one such decision of the International Court of Justice in The Hague), which means its destruction

    of course, this is hardly believed ... in some countries the entire military doctrine is based on this ...
  26. tomket
    tomket 2 December 2012 13: 51
    +2
    By the way, the idea of ​​"Metro 2033" and the FALLOUT games crash on these very islands, Godzilla did not get out of the ocean, and on the new land gammi bears (gamma bears) also do not jump, although there the tsar bomb exploded.
  27. Artem6688
    Artem6688 2 December 2012 16: 18
    0
    the next step for outlawing nuclear weapons (one such decision of the International Court of Justice in The Hague already exists), which means its destruction


    But this is not good
    1. MG42
      MG42 2 December 2012 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: Artem6688
      But this is not good

      Rave. NF will not be destroyed in the foreseeable future. On the contrary, the arms race will make another round, because the nuclear club is expanding! Plus aspects of missile defense and its prediction.
  28. aspirin02
    aspirin02 2 December 2012 17: 01
    +2
    Demon WMD, there was a long time ago and 3 and 4 world war, first of all it is a weapon of possession, so to speak, not for you not.))


    From another question, if it falls into the hands of crazy terrorists ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 2 December 2012 17: 05
      +4
      Such countries as Ukraine - who voluntarily abandoned nuclear weapons in exchange for phantom security guarantees, still need to be searched! winked
      The part of the Soviet nuclear potential that appeared in Ukraine in quantitative terms exceeded the nuclear forces of France, Great Britain or China.
      At two missile bases in the area of ​​Pervomaisk (Nikolaev region) and Khmelnitsky there were 176 silo launchers for intercontinental ballistic missiles (silos of ICBMs). Most of them - 130 units - are silos of liquid fuel missiles, each of which carries 6 individually guided warheads. In the area of ​​Pervomaisk, 46 silos of solid propellant rockets, which carry 10 warheads, are also deployed. Thus, the units of the Strategic Missile Forces of the former USSR stationed in Ukraine could deliver 1240 nuclear warheads to the target. Their total capacity exceeds 680 megatons.
      In addition, in the Ukrainian territory there were two long-range aviation divisions. The bomber aircraft deployed in Ukraine could fly 492 long-range ALCMs into the air. In addition, there are about 100 air-based cruise missiles in stocks designed to replace weapons during repairs, scheduled maintenance, etc.
      In total, thus, in Ukraine there were 1800-1900 strategic nuclear warheads. Plus, at the beginning of 1992 there were about 2600 tactical nuclear warheads.
      1. aspirin02
        aspirin02 2 December 2012 17: 08
        +1
        Kazakhstan, Belarus.
        1. MG42
          MG42 2 December 2012 17: 23
          +2
          Kazakhstan had the 4th potential, after Ukraine - all these are the consequences of the collapse of the great country of the USSR. I mean other countries today’s members of the nuclear club who of them voluntarily refuse?
      2. mda
        mda 2 December 2012 18: 17
        +3
        Quote: MG42
        Such countries as Ukraine - who voluntarily abandoned nuclear weapons in exchange for phantom security guarantees, still need to be searched!

        Yes, the stupidity was committed by Ukraine. Lukashenko didn’t let the nuclear missiles of Belarus be destroyed, but handed them over to Russia and immediately became a "dictator" ...
        1. aspirin02
          aspirin02 2 December 2012 18: 47
          -2
          We also transferred to Russia, well, and cut the parts .. And what did we get ?? No discounts on gas, no security ... in short, nothing! Everyone who wants to throw this Ukraine))) And the matter is not in the authorities, but the people are stupid with us, the curve's minuteness only comes to kitchen disputes ... He Americans began to build a nuclear plant (1 in Europe) A bunch of working places, high salaries. ..So again, not that .. I do not understand our people!
          1. MG42
            MG42 2 December 2012 18: 54
            +4
            Quote: aspirin02
            We also transferred to Russia, well, and cut the parts .. And what did we get ??

            Strategic bombers remaining in Ukraine request

            Quote: aspirin02
            the curve’s morality only comes to kitchen disputes ...

            There is a saying - two x_o_x_l_a - three hetman. winked
            1. sapulid
              sapulid 2 December 2012 23: 05
              +3
              Not winter, so bite! :)

              Although, laughter through tears.
              1. MG42
                MG42 2 December 2012 23: 20
                +3
                Quote: sapulid
                Not winter, so bite !:

                Quiet Ukrainian night - but the fat must be hidden! feel
                1. Nymp
                  Nymp 3 December 2012 01: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: MG42
                  Quiet Ukrainian night - but the fat must be hidden!
                  So from this muzzle and cracked, and he turned arrows on Russian spies! wink
          2. botur2013
            botur2013 2 December 2012 23: 09
            -3
            Is it somehow strange that you treat yourself and all Ukrainians? Therefore, they may throw you. It’s time to start respecting yourself and you will be treated with respect, and there will be completely different conversations in the kitchen!
  29. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 3 December 2012 03: 02
    +1
    Let the Americans make experiments and we will cover them in Russian! wassat