In Sevastopol, the loss of the Saratov large landing ship was confirmed during the hostilities in Ukraine in March 2022

The Black Sea Fleet officially confirmed the loss in 2022 of the large landing ship Saratov, which was hit in the port of Berdyansk during unloading. This was stated by the commander of the Crimean naval base of the Black Sea fleet Felix Menkov.

Today in Sevastopol, a memorial plaque was unveiled to the sailors who died during a special operation in Ukraine. Speaking at the ceremony, Menkov confirmed the loss of the Saratov large landing ship in March 2022 during the fighting in Berdyansk. According to him, the open memorial plaque will be a reminder to future generations of the feat of the Sevastopol sailors.

A year ago, in the course of combat operations, we lost a ship of the landing force, the large landing ship "Saratov". Lost the personnel of the landing ship "Saratov", "Novocherkassk", "Caesar Kunikov"

Rear Admiral said.

Recall that the large landing craft "Saratov" was hit by a Ukrainian missile "Tochka-U" at the berth in the port of Berdyansk in March last year. A fire broke out on board the ship, and in order to prevent the detonation of the ammunition that the Saratov was transporting, it was decided to flood it right at the pier, which was done. The ship was raised to the surface on July 1, after which they wanted to send it for repairs to Kerch, but decided to dispose of it on the spot due to the damage received.

The large landing ship "Saratov" became the first ship in the BDK series of project 1171, built in Kaliningrad at the Yantar shipyard. He served in the Navy of the Soviet Union and then Russia for 56 years, joining the Black Sea Fleet in 1966 and was withdrawn from it in 2022 due to the destruction by a Ukrainian missile.

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[tralflot1832]

We'll have to make up for the omission. Eternal memory to the dead!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tralflot1832

Gotta make up for the gap

Not even a year has passed. It's a shame that the recognition of errors occurs after a year. But it is with the recognition of an error or problem that the process of correcting it begins.
P.S. Photo-screen from the Sevastopol Canal. Why is the channel name in English? Is Roskomnadzor sleeping?

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It's a shame that the recognition of errors occurs after a year.

Don't be offended. You don’t know when the actual confession of mistakes happened, but you replace it with a time of public confession with an accusation, they say, they did nothing for a whole year to correct these mistakes, which, of course, you are also not aware of. On the offended ... you know.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

But it is with the recognition of an error or problem that the process of correcting it begins.
Igor, you simply didn’t come across the first critical materials on that situation in Berdyansk, where glaring mistakes were immediately called with the mooring of three BDKs at once to one pier. Moreover, this did not allow simultaneous unloading from three ships and two other BDKs could stand in the roadstead waiting in line. They also wrote about the many non-disconnected Webcams in the port, from which the Armed Forces of Ukraine could observe everything that was happening at the berths. But here I think that even without video cameras there was someone to tell the Armed Forces of Ukraine where and with what to attack such a tasty target.

[Quote Lavrov]

For some reason, I don’t want to write anything about whether the real culprits in the story with the same “Moscow” were held accountable, perhaps because this would be a rhetorical question.
And all that I want to say after such words

Lost the personnel of the landing ship "Saratov", "Novocherkassk", "Caesar Kunikov"

- how much we want the guys to return home safe and sound, and if it didn’t work out, so that we, the survivors, would have enough conscience, memory not to forget about the causes of the NWO, the victims that we left and will leave in this operation.

[Valter1364]

It's hard to talk about it ... About the universal mess in the navy and army. About the incompetence of parquet officers. Questions arise only when personnel and ships die from this mess. What conclusions will be drawn from all this depends, among other things, on the future of the army and navy, and hence the future of our country with you - Russia.

[Anna E]

“Moscow” will be recognized in another 50 years. Maybe you'll live...

[SKVichyakow]

Quote from Anna E.

“Moscow” will be recognized in another 50 years. Maybe you'll live...

It turns out that no one made any conclusions and did not admit their mistakes.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: SKVichyakow

no one drew any conclusions and did not admit their mistakes.

did not admit mistakes -> no problems -> no conclusions -> everything is fine, nothing needs to be changed!!!

[ZAV69]

Well, no one boasted of drowning Moscow. Estimate, it suddenly turns out that she drowned from a banal accident caused by wear and tear. It is not known which is worse.

[Santa Fe]

Speaking at the ceremony, Menkov confirmed the loss of the Saratov large landing ship in March 2022 during the fighting in Berdyansk. According to him, the open memorial plaque will be a reminder

Made for the enemy

Confirmation of losses should be dealt with by historians when they get access to the archives in 100 years. For your scientific interest. Now nobody needs it.

Future sailors need to be motivated not with commemorative plaques, but to inspire them with confidence that they will not die; there are no losses from our side

[Anna E]

Well, last April, if I don’t confuse anything, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that our losses were about 5 thousand people dead and since then not a gu-gu about it. Although, too, if there are 14 thousand dead in the whole of Afghanistan, and here there are five in a couple of months, then this is really bad. Here they are silent.

[Bratkov Oleg]

During the time of Afghanistan, the Minister of Defense was a military man, he had several military formations. And the current minister was a builder, then he moved to firefighters, and then became the Minister of Defense, without any military education, but, by the way, he conducted wonderful tank biathlons.

[dump22]

During the time of Afghanistan, the Minister of Defense was a military man, he had several military formations.

During the entry of troops into Afghanistan, Ustinov was the Minister of Defense. Although he held the rank of marshal, he NEVER received any military education, only doing his military service in 1922 (telephone operator). He made his main career in the military-industrial complex.

After becoming Minister of Defense, Ustinov continued to be fixated on the defense industry, increasing and increasing the production of weapons. As a result, for example, the number of tanks in the USSR exceeded 60 thousand, which is more than in the rest of the world combined!

[certero]

Quote from: dump22

increasing and increasing the production of weapons. As a result, for example, the number of tanks in the USSR exceeded 60 thousand, which is more than in the rest of the world combined

And it is only thanks to this that Russia still has tanks.

[Klaus8691]

In fact, while they were engaged in weapons, modernization and new ones, and now, it seems that they will create a prototype and then a cartoon about it, and that's it. Neither you release into a series nor the creation of at least a couple of hundred active copies. Although maybe I'm wrong and we have everything, it's just classified.

[Black Colonel]

The Minister of Defense is not the Commander-in-Chief. He BUILDS the Armed Forces, and does not command the fronts. I.V. Stalin, too, by the way, did not have a military education.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote from Peter Orehov

Well, what scale of losses should remain unknown now

approximately 110% of the original number at the beginning of the NWO.
if extrapolated to losses in general (110% are the losses of the NM DNR in February*).
* open information

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Peter Orehov

Well, what scale of losses should remain unknown now, to the delight of future historians?

Well, what scale of losses will suit you?
And what will truthful information about losses give you personally? Do you know that information about losses is closed in all warring armies?

[Modya]

As far as I remember the situation a year ago, Saratov and Caesar Kunikov stood side to side in the port of Berdyansk. Khokhlyatsky rockets regularly tried to hit them, and the leadership cheerfully reported that they were successfully shooting down everyone. Finally got it. The question is who gave the order to them to stand and wait for the air defense to be broken through? Who, by his order, ruined the ships and personnel? The Commander-in-Chief of the Black Sea Fleet was removed after this and the incident with Moscow, and that's it ..?

[alexmach]

The Commander-in-Chief of the Black Sea Fleet was removed after this and the incident with Moscow, and that's it ..?

Thank God, at least the commander-in-chief was removed, otherwise I was about to correct you. It was filmed there for a very long time and it seemed to me that they had not filmed it at all until now.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote from: topol717

In general, the World Cup, to put it mildly, is obka during the NWO. I don't know who exactly is to blame.

Well, who didn’t get dirty in the NWO? ... probably those who had an indirect relationship with the RF Ministry of Defense: the orchestra, the NM LDNR, and the 45th airborne brigade ...

[Mazunga]

leopards and the National Guard add worthy fight

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Modya

The question is who gave the order to them to stand and wait for the air defense to be broken through?

Do you think they just stood there? Maybe they were unloading? Or do you think that they could unload by maneuvering?

[Sergey39]

What broke? The loss was confirmed by the grandfather of the Navy BDK Saratov, who served 56 years and died not from old age, but from a missile hit.
This is one of the black stripes in the history of the NWO, where they underestimated the enemy and decided to fraternize, and the opposite side (frantic with the national-Bandera consciousness), brought up by 40 years of hatred for everything Russian, staged a bloodbath for Us!
We, as always, confirm our essence, regardless of Our losses.
We harness for a long time, we quickly drive fast; until the thunder rumbles, the peasant does not cross himself; may carry.
We keep our rake for centuries and do not pass it on to anyone! (((

[Bratkov Oleg]

Quote: Sergey39

... and the opposite side (frantic with the national-Bandera consciousness), brought up by 40 years of hatred for everything Russian, staged a bloodbath for Us!...

Well, not 40 years old, there will be 100 years old, how they bring up hatred for Russia.
Who did Khrushchev liberate from the camps? The very Nazis who burned the villages alive, worked in concentration camps, simply raped and killed ... Khrushchev pardoned everyone, restored their rights, and then these "illegally convicted" by Stalin, in Ukraine, in Germany, occupied leading positions, educated young people. Under Stalin, capital punishment was 25 years in prison, they didn’t shoot them ... There are already many people who were born, grew up, grew old and died of old age, carrying hatred for Russia from the cradle, and under Brezhnev they were not persecuted, not to mention more late leaders.

[SlavaS]

built in Kaliningrad in 1964 under serial number 010, like most men in the Russian Federation, he did not live up to retirement a bit.

[panzerfaust]

Well, just like with the boys at the beginning of their own. It's a shame guys.

[yaglon]

Incidentally, the day before the sinking, Channel 1 aired a peppy story about how Saratov was being unloaded in Berdyansk, in which it was perfectly clear where the ship was standing. Apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine looked at the evening Russian news, and the next day they pointed at Saratov Tochka, making the simplest geolocation. There was no direct hit, judging by the video of the defeat, but burning fragments fell on the ships and on the unloaded ammunition, fires broke out, so the flooding was more than justified.

[BorzRio]

Exactly. Not only did the idiot in command of the unloading in Berdyansk put THREE ships with weapons and power supplies for unloading at the pier NEARBY in one place at the same time, but this was also shown openly on the news. Moreover, the ships were unloaded next to the fuel tankers at the pier. There, in theory, there are only violations for 100 years of prison. But all of them are like water off a duck's back. It's all gross.

[yaglon]

Agree. It could explode there like in Halifax in 1917. The commanders of the ships are excused by the fact that they considered Berdyansk a rear zone and did not expect arrivals. But the higher command, of course, screwed up. However, the situation was determined by the "fog of war", for which the command should not be judged too harshly. People worked the best they could.

[vladcub]

I remember the footage: the burning "Saratov * and one of the reporters said that the BDK" Orsk ".
I remember pictures of the sunken ship.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Hu ... or rather, it’s bad when logs come to the management of the forest!

[Ed1970]

Not disgusting, but outrageous. Apparently corruption, and as a result, incompetence and irresponsibility, in wartime leads to the death of people. At one time, we put up with this in the hope that everything will be fine, but it’s good not to become something ....

[AlexTires]

They wrote that online cameras in the port even worked ...

[bessonov932]

I remember this report! After all, someone gave the task to these journalists, edited, coordinated ... Here's someone to ask: well, how do you, b ..., the result?

[BorzRio]

Eternal memory to the dead sailors. And eternal sleepless nights and shameful, humiliating old age for those commanders who are responsible for their death!

[Rumata]

The generals paid all their debts,
and they put on medals and retired for a long time.
Generals dignifiedly roam the cities,
and do not remember this company, and do not remember anything.

[Ed1970]

It is unlikely that something like this awaits them. Usually the problems are with the poor and the common people. Gorbachev, for example, having collapsed the USSR, received 78 rubles of pensions from Russia every month. https://sport000.ru/news/life/mikhail-gorbachev-biografiya-prezidenta-sssr-gody-pravleniya-zarplata-gorbacheva-pensiya-gorbacheva-okhrana

[Old_geologist]

Iron is to hell with it, especially already old, but it’s a pity for the guys, they didn’t save it! Although there is no war without losses, but all the same, everyone wanted to live, they made plans ... they died as peasants!

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

About the commander of our Port Arthur squadron decided to surface. The actions of the Black Sea Fleet in this war are a complete failure and impotence of his command. It's not even Rozhdestvensky and Vtgefty, it's below the plinth. At least those were able to die with honor, but these could not even shoot themselves.

[yaglon]

Saratov is still nonsense. Here is the situation with Moscow - that's interesting. The cruiser, the flagship, crammed full of missiles, ZAKs, means of setting DO and TL, somehow quickly deflated, burned out and sank. Simply unthinkable, given the insignificant anti-ship capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the peak of the Cold War, 1164-6 Harpoons were assigned to defeat cruisers pr.8 in the US Navy - only those that would break through missile defense. And in total, 40-50 of them were supposed to be launched across Atlanta in order to be guaranteed to break through the ship's missile defense system.

[topol717]

Quote: yaglon

Here is the situation with Moscow - that's interesting. The cruiser, the flagship, crammed full of missiles, ZAKs, means of setting DO and TL, somehow quickly deflated, burned out and sank

The harpoon flies very low. And the range is very short, and, as usual, the shift smoked bamboo, after all, no one expected that Ukrov would suddenly have American anti-ship missiles.

[yaglon]

So it is not known for sure whether it was Harpoon, or Neptune (that is, X-35, which also flies low), or something else. Everyone knew that Ukraine had anti-ship missiles. And low-altitude anti-ship missiles in particular. And you say "no one expected". It's like "no one expected winter to come so suddenly... in December". So, of course, I agree with you that the watch was smoking bamboo.

[SergioPetrov]

The topic with harpoons came up again. It seems to be specially dispersed.

[SergioPetrov]

Moscow, even theoretically, could not repel the ular of modern anti-ship missiles. She has air defense from the late 70s - mid 80s.

[yaglon]

Disagree. Moscow's air defense is very powerful even by the standards of 2023. But even with powerful air defense, you can miss the arrival if you sleep at the post.

[SergioPetrov]

No harpoon drowned Moscow, it simply does not have enough range for this!

[PavelT]

I was also very surprised: the cruiser "Moskva" did not sink immediately, they fought for it for several hours. Why didn't he fire all of his main-caliber P-1000 Vulkan missiles at targets in the Odessa area? Such a ship in the war zone, at a launch range (up to 700 km), in theory, should constantly have a list of enemy targets to defeat and launch missiles as soon as there is a danger of losing the ship and / or missiles. In order to at least take revenge on the enemy.

[vladcub]

Previously, in the section: "History" there were chic materials "Andrey from Chelyabinsk", he spoke positively about Rozhdestvensky. So your analogy is not entirely appropriate.
But in general, after 1914, the admirals were degrading.
THE LAST REAL Admiral is Gorshkov, and after him: ALL "chauffeurs"!
Until 1917 in the Russian Federation, there were bright Admirals, and the Second World War were worthy: Head, Isakov, Gorshkov. And after the death of Gorshkov ...... Degradation.
It seems that under the tsar, they were called "parquet swimmers"

[Sergey39]

Between the Civil War and Admiral Gorshkov, there was another great Admiral Kuznetsov!

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Meet, feed with fried red mullet, take a steam bath and bang under the "uryauryaurya" - that's the whole "fleet", the whole "service" ....

[Metallurg_2]

And when did Rozhdestvensky die with honor?

[bessonov932]

Zinovy ​​Petrovich Rozhdestvensky did not die in any way! He was captured by the Japanese and returned home after the end of the war.

[Timofei Sergeevich]

Who is responsible for the loss of ships and the death of people?!

[vladcub]

Comrades, I don't like the title: "confirmed" like, someone doubted that the ship was lost.
Last year, the site had information about "Saratov". True, then the majority believed that this was a diversion.
There was no information about "Caesar".
Comrades, who has reliable information: 1) how did Novocherkassk and Caesar die?
2) about the crews, did they all die?
We were silent about this, but to believe the Ukrainian media, .... They will come across from the 3rd box

[Crash]

How did Novocherkassk and Caesar die?

I did not see in the article that they died . And the fact that the losses were in drugs was known immediately. including the captain

[azkolt]

I didn’t quite understand the words, “We lost the personnel of the landing ship Saratov, Novocherkassk, Caesar Kunikov”, that the entire personnel of the three ships died?

[st25310]

Or four? including the Russian Guards missile cruiser, the lead ship of project 1164 "Atlant" Moscow?

[AlexTires]

Losses in personnel, you need to understand ....

[My name]

Look at the photo - there is a memorial plaque - there are 12 names on it.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Sailors and Ships - Eternal Memory .... they are not to blame for their death.
There are a lot of questions for the "admirals"!
They sank absolutely mediocre and useless .., no, they stupidly pissed off these ships!
None of them died in battle, but went to the bottom due to sloppiness, gouging, stupidity and incompetence!
There are no normal words...

[ilpine]

This is war, people die in war.
Yes, the SVO showed the effectiveness of the weapon created back in the USSR - the Tochka-U OTRK, and the RF Armed Forces had to work hard to minimize losses from the use of these weapons by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not only in Berdyansk, but also in Donetsk, etc. The Black Sea Fleet it turns out, too, was not ready for such actions on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including both technically and personnel. Especially against the background of total operational and information support of NATO countries. It’s not worth looking for malicious intent, such a cost of the risks of this complex special operation, sadly. The enemy is the enemy, and he does not sleep.

[Horn]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

About the commander of our Port Arthur squadron decided to surface. The actions of the Black Sea Fleet in this war are a complete failure and impotence of his command. It's not even Rozhdestvensky and Vtgefty, it's below the plinth. At least those were able to die with honor, but these could not even shoot themselves.

The current senior officers do not shoot themselves. They are going to court.

[Dynamic systems]

It's always a shame that people are dying because of "hooray" orders!
Kingdom of Heaven to all OUR dead!
...........................................................................
A lot of noise about the "5th column", "red lines" and so on ...
The worst enemy is in the rear. When people die from stupidity and ostentation, like this, out of the blue - this is not just a crime. But everything is hushed up and hidden. They made some noise. Ai-yay-yay ... And then again - a jamb!
The command does not listen to the opinion of the lower command staff. "What? The smartest? Strategist?"
This is even the mildest censure...
As soon as any check arrives from M.O. - the "nix" begins in the military unit or base, headquarters!
Why?
Because papers are written (as V.V.P. said - "... for the prosecutor...") in a terrible amount and with a great difference from reality. Hence the "bullshit". And if we take into account the article on non-disclosure and other "directives", which are directly by-laws, then there is no question of a normal analysis of the situation.
Here's an example.
There are 2 radars on the ship ... It's scary to say - "MIUS" in the 21st century. They "burned" their resource a long time ago. But...
Specialists come on request. Each call for the cost of work is a military secret. At the pier - it sucks, but it shows something .... What does it show? Interference, interference and noise interference. In reality and the campaign - it started to rain and.
The command knows about this and ordered a new radar (you need the 2nd according to the rules, from the left and right sides), but ... If they ordered, they cannot receive it, because. components "hung" somewhere due to sanctions!
That. without a radar, under various circumstances and situations, the ship is blind and there is already a % chance of being stubborn or being stubbed by someone. And everything will be written off on the warhead-1, like they slammed, the observation was not carried out properly, etc., etc. And ... the command continues to send the ship on a campaign ...
And besides the radar, there are still problems ...
That is how we live....

[German Brit]

The year was silent and not everything was voiced as always. There's more loss That's who's to blame is still a mystery. Whose mistake?
Eternal memory to the dead!

[Mikhail Maslov]

But the feat of women destroying drones in the bay of Sevastopol does not tell you anything? And this feat showed me a lot. As before, everything is full of holes if women destroyed drones from machine guns. without obstruction. The girls are great, no words, the authorities are on trial.

[matsur]

On the issue of air defense work in March last year. Protect military facilities during the conduct of hostilities, especially so close to these places. What was the command thinking?

[Mikhail Maslov]

Are you talking about air defense? And the explosion of the bridge, and the attacks from the sea? And the "Moscow"?

[zenion]

Everything was agreed as early as 1812. So they did.

[Fangaro]

Does this mean that the families of those who died or were injured a year ago will only now receive support from the state? Or is the almost official recognition in March 23rd only a statement of the fact of losses?
If the families of those who died a year ago were not considered to have lost their breadwinner, then this is very unfair.

[zenion]

So the people were shouting with all their might that they wanted war and nothing more, and so on and in full breadth.

[Orcus Play]

Such nonsense, my boys serve, and you won’t believe everyone is alive and well. What fake jokes

[zenion]

This "Saratov, looking at what was going on, took a breath and drowned himself, after that he did not surface, he did not want to look at the unwatchable anymore.

[Gemini]

I didn’t understand something, “We lost the personnel of the landing ship Saratov, Novocherkassk, Caesar Kunikov, what kind of idiot could write like that? The entire personnel? Or all the same 12 military

[vvn_vl]

I would very much like the general builder to report on this, and not others ...

[_KGB-USSR_]

I don’t seem to understand something in this life ... Someone can clearly explain to me what the hell the BDK was used for unloading in the port as a dry cargo ship? I always thought they were for other purposes...

[SergioPetrov]

There are no other ships. About five years ago, the court ruled that the decision to call for service of private individuals and specialists on August 8.08.08, XNUMX by the then commander of the Black Sea Fleet was illegal and, accordingly, the status of combatants for these people was not allowed. After such a frank scam, the private specialists refused to participate in any way in organizing the transportation or loading of anything in the interests of the Moscow Region, and the land Tor was unloaded onto the ship by the main logistics officer himself.