A representative of the Armed Forces of Ukraine spoke about the use of planning bombs by Su-35 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces at facilities in the Sumy region

Managed aviation glide bombs pose a particular threat, as they are capable of flying far and the planes launching them do not fall into the zone of destruction of air defense systems. This was stated by the official representative of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel Yuri Ignat.

According to the Ukrainian serviceman, about 10 Su-35 aircraft attacked targets in the Sumy region on the evening of March 23. More than 10 gliding bombs were dropped on targets.

This is an extremely big threat when guided aerial bombs, glide bombs can fly far, and aircraft do not enter the air defense zone.

Ignat said.

The representative of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine noted that the losses as a result of evening strikes are being specified, they will be announced by the regional and city military administrations. Interestingly, information about air strikes on targets in the Sumy region was absent in the traditional morning report of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is possible that the strikes were carried out on secret military facilities, which is why the Ukrainian authorities are slow to disclose details about yesterday's strikes.

Recall that the attacks on the energy and military infrastructure of Ukraine of the Russian Aerospace Forces have been inflicted especially intensively since October 2022, after a series of acts of sabotage by the Ukrainian special services on the territory of the Russian Federation. The first massive attacks followed the sabotage on the Crimean bridge in early October 2022.

Comments

[Azerbaijan2023]

I really like the aerobatics of the Su-35. The car itself is beautiful and flies beautifully.

[novel66]

Actually, judging by the TsPGO, this is the Su-30 dance

[Zaurbek]

This once again confirms the need for the main fighter-bomber - the Su35S level. with two pilots. And the termination of the release of third-party T10 branches

[Denis812]

It exists and is called the Su-34. It is being produced with might and main, there is in the troops.

[Zaurbek]

Unlike the Su35S ..... it cannot carry out other air superiority missions. And so are 100 pieces of bombers and 100 pieces of fighters and a combined load

[abc_alex]

It exists and is called the Su-34. It is being produced with might and main, there is in the troops.

No. This is a different plane. He has a different airframe, a different chassis, a different radar. Outwardly, it is similar, but no more. If you see Su-27 and Su-34 nearby, you can easily see for yourself. Su-34 is, let's say, a bomber with advanced self-defense capabilities in the air. And the Su-35 is a fighter with advanced strike capabilities.

[Zaurbek]

This is the big mistake. The most ideal option is the approach to the issue on the MiG35S. A single glider with a cockpit for 2 pilots or 1 pc + additional tank. With the same iron and cap glider.

[Aken]

To drop this kind of ammunition, super-maneuverable fighters are not needed. Enough planes and easier.
With a bombing speed of 700 - 1100 km / h, IL-76 can be used for its application. Of course, after some refinement.

[Rumata]

Well done! I add desperately. Namely IL-76.
But there is a problem. In Angola, An-26s were widely used as bombers. They simply put the transporter along the cargo compartment, opened the cargo ramp, and the soldiers loaded bombs onto the transporter. They say that a chic clearing in the jungle turned out.)))
But there are problems for the IL-76. Suspension points on the bullet wings or a bomb bay in the fuselage are the most complicated upgrades, practically a different aircraft. Probably the easiest thing is a crane-manipulator that extends along the cargo ramp? And further. It would be nice to spear the TTRD. Then you can reach the strategic bridges if you reset from the maximum height.

[Eugene 62]

I am not an aviation specialist, but I know that at the training ground, not far from which we pick mushrooms, sometimes IL-76 bombs are dropped. Transport workers have such opportunities. And these exercises are needed so that the crew does not lose their skills.

[Aken]

Boma is somewhat easier. It is unlikely that they do this at a speed of 780 km. We need at least 700.
It is more important to have a reset device.

[Aken]

Suspension points - definitely not, It will affect the speed. The ramp needs to be upgraded. And instead of a conveyor, I would suggest a skid. But this is an abstract conversation.

[Zaurbek]

Comrades, to drop such bombs you need:
1. Target coordinates
2. Reset

The most progressive now are the Americans. AFAR recognizes the target (or hanging container) and transmits data to the bomb or missile seeker. F15EX at the maximum can carry 22 pieces of 100kg gliding (or just corr) bombs and give each one a target in flight.
Ideally, both the PFAR and the brains of the Su35S can map and recognize targets .... We also need an OLS container to search for targets and highlight. And co-pilot

[UAZ 452]

Reconnaissance and target designation can generally be carried out by another aircraft, the same AWACS. And the task of the transporter is simply to deliver the means of destruction (the same planning bombs) closer to the target, but also keeping outside the air defense, and dump them out of the hold. There should not be any backlight - dropped and forgot.

[Zaurbek]

It doesn't matter, the main control center in flight can be given to each bomb. We don't seem to have gotten to that point yet.

[Denis812]

I'll stand here, listen to about the release of planning bombs from the Il-76.
You guys can fantasize as much as you like, but no one will drop any bombs from the IL-76. At least in our lives.
Maybe from the next generation of transport workers. But definitely not with the IL-76.
And there will be no modifications to Ila for this either. The IL-76 already has plenty of other work.
Leave fantastic utopias to the writers.

[Aken]

Of course, listen.

At least in our lives.

I will clarify. Not during the lifetime of our generals. The bones will lay down, but they will not miss.
If it were their will, we would not have drones at all.

[UAZ 452]

During our lifetime, free-falling FABs will be dropped from the super-expensive Su-34s and Su-35s, being in the zone of active anti-aircraft defense, everyone will admire the unparalleled heroism of our pilots. And then they will end. And drying, and pilots. FABs will not end, but there will be no one and nothing to dump them.

[Denis812]

You will not believe it, but the Su-35 costs two and a half times cheaper than the Il-76.
And it’s much safer for pilots to drop fabs from drying than from Ila, which is just an ideal target for air defense on the battlefield.
And if anything, I'm generally not an adept at dropping FABs.

[Polite Moose]

Quote from Aken

IL-76 can be used. Of course, after some refinement.

Would you like to increase the volume of the cargo compartment? To have enough for everyone?
I AM FOR!

[UAZ 452]

A combination of a simple, even obsolete aircraft and modern weapons will beat the newest aircraft with "cast iron" in terms of efficiency, and especially in terms of price-efficiency. It is clear that reconnaissance and target designation means are also needed. But all this could be in abundance for those resources spent on aircraft capable of aerial acrobatics miracles that have never been needed in real combat operations.

[bayard]

Quote: Zaurbek

Su35S. with two pilots. And the termination of the release of third-party T10 branches

A combat aircraft based on the T-10 airframe, with a two-seat cockpit and combat capabilities of the Su-35S, this is the Su-30SM2. With the Irbis and the entire avionics complex from the Su-35S.

Quote: Denis812

It exists and is called the Su-34.

And this one, although good, is still a tactical bomber. In air combat, this is not very.
So everything has long been invented and launched into a series. And later, the Su-30SM of the first series is promised to be upgraded to SM2.
And then there is the MiG-35S, which can have both a single and a double cabin. AFAR radar and generally handsome. After long antics of the Moscow Region, it is nevertheless launched into a series, and it seems even at two factories at once.

[Soldatov V.]

Here, explain to me why bomb a provincial town when all the events are taking place in the Donetsk region.
Sumy what is there strategic to use the aviation regiment. I understand bridges, air bases, Himers finally.
The only thing that justifies this is the railway junction of the north of Ukraine and the plant for the production of pumps for nuclear power plants.

[Sergio Vo]

because the Aerospace Forces discovered an accumulation of enemy military equipment near the state border. And who knows what they were up to. Maybe an attack on the border territories of the Russian Federation and subsequently a trade-exchange for other territories of the Donbass.

[APASUS]

Quote: V.

Here, explain to me why bomb a provincial town when all the events are taking place in the Donetsk region.

Barracks, property depots, ammunition, equipment, command headquarters, what's wrong?
All this from a provincial city gets into the war zone in 5-6 hours

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[Denis812]

There is an opinion that the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gathering there to attack the Belgorod region.
This is what they probably bombed.

[Uprun]

Sorry that the Russian Defense Ministry did not report the results of intelligence. Hope it doesn't happen again in the future.

[Soldatov V.]

Here I explain specifically for minusoidals who do not know geography. Sumy is located at a distance of 30 km (!!!) from the Russian border. We would have sent TU-160 there, although a dozen Tornado Grad would have been enough,
to destroy the railroad, a couple of factories and ten commercial stalls, and another forelock infantry division.

[Rumata]

why bomb a provincial town

Now we need to create panic in the former Ukraine, cold and hunger, the collapse of the entire economy. All strategic rear areas must be intensively bombed. Millions of refugees. A front without a rear will collapse.

[Carlos Hall]

The Ukrainians also announced that 5 Geran 2 drones hit Zelensky's hometown.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Representative of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine -
Representative of u.k.r..o..r.eiha. There should be no APU for us, no respect for the enemy, and so on.

Finally. I would like to believe that the conveyors are already running.

[incognoto]

why this raises questions, why 35 and not 34? after all, this niche is 34.

[Grits]

Quote from incoggnoto

why this raises questions, why 35 and not 34? after all, this niche is 34.

Agree. It also causes bewilderment about 10 aircraft and 10 bombs. Were they carrying one bomb each? Then it is really easier to send the Tu-22 with 28 tons of combat load.

[rotmistr60]

This is an extremely big threat when guided aerial bombs, glide bombs can fly far, and aircraft do not enter the air defense zone.

I wonder who he explained so carefully to? Still, of course, first of all, to their own, who make claims to the Ukrainian air defense and aviation, being sure that the latter dominates the air.

losses as a result of evening strikes are being specified, they will be announced by the regional and city military administrations.

It can be predicted with 99,9% certainty that it will be stated that there are no casualties among the military personnel, civilian objects were affected and N the number of the local population.

[Pavel57]

To reduce the cost of such operations with planning bombs, it would make sense to use the Yak-130.

[incognoto]

he has a maximum load of 3 tones, we get 2 1500, and this is at best.

[Rumata]

To reduce the cost of such operations with planning bombs, it would make sense to use .........

....... Planes from the An-2 to the Boeing 747 going for decommissioning as kamikaze. Approximately as Bekauri suggested.
Z.Y. If Boeing, then as part of an order from an UAV of the Caliber type (similar speed), with heat traps, electronic warfare systems, etc. If you throw away everything superfluous (armchairs, etc.), a minimum of fuel, then 150 tons of trinitrotoluene are on board. Any bridge will be demolished.

[Pavel57]

Quote from incoggnoto

he has a maximum load of 3 tones, we get 2 1500, and this is at best.

See what kind of load the Su-35 usually carries. 4 missiles "in-in" and one Kh-31. This is in the presence of 12 suspension points.
For the Yak-130, 4 bombs would be optimal.

[incognoto]

the load is determined by the task, if in the case of 35 it can pull the full load. and 130, with all our desire, if we are talking about UPAB-1500, it will be able to pull 2 ​​as much as possible and this is the edge.

[Denis812]

The Yak 130 cannot carry two or even one one and a half ton bombs.
Look at his suspension nodes.
A couple of four Fab-500, yes, it will drag. But not more.

[voyaka uh]

Su-35 - fighter and interceptor.
Su-30s should bomb - fighter-bombers.
Only they need to be equipped with hanging sights for aiming accurate weapons. And by this weapon itself - plunging bombs.
And the Su-34s are absolutely superfluous.

[Orange Bigg]

The Su-34M is a fighter-bomber, and the Su-30SM is a poor copy of the Su-35S.

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

Su-30s should bomb - fighter-bombers.
Only they need to be equipped with hanging sights for aiming accurate weapons. And by this weapon itself - plunging bombs.
And the Su-34s are absolutely superfluous.

Bombers must bomb. That is, the Su-34. The Su-30 is an extra individual in the "dry zoo", born out of extreme necessity and not at all for this. Hang at least three sights on him, he will still remain a surrogate. It is necessary to stop dealing with henna, implement the STANDARD process for creating the Su-35UB for all Sukhoi aircraft, make the equivalent of the Su-30SM on its basis and bring the fleet of heavy IS of the RF Armed Forces to a sane state. Su-35 as the main IS, Su-34 as a tactical bomber.

[Pavel57]

Quote from incoggnoto

the load is determined by the task, if in the case of 35 it can pull the full load. and 130, with all our desire, if we are talking about UPAB-1500, it will be able to pull 2 ​​as much as possible and this is the edge.

Question about the cost of a typical operation. If throwing 4 planning bombs becomes the main operation, then it makes sense to reduce it due to a cheaper platform.

[the same doctor]

Absolutely right, why a fighter of 50 lyam, when you can throw from a simplified device for 5.

[the same doctor]

Planning bombs are yesterday, dictated by the weakness of the then electronics. It's time to get rid of stereotypes in the design of weapons.

[km-21]

Apparently, aviation has lost its dominance over the battlefield, since modern front-line air defense is able to completely turn it off. It remains only to deliver remote strikes without entering the air defense coverage area. And for this you need long-range ammunition. And these should be not just planning bombs, but guided and precision-guided ones. Perhaps even with an additional engine to increase the range. Yes, they are more expensive than usual. But given the high efficiency, in the end, there will be a big savings in charges and sorties. And most importantly, Russia has the necessary technologies and is quite capable of implementing such projects. You just need to make decisions and monitor the implementation.

[Denis812]

What was used in Sumy is planning, controlled and high-precision.
These are not just pieces of iron with wings.

[Zaurbek]

The progressive United States, during the modernization of the B52, implemented the suspension of a bunch of such bombs, the control center in flight. One B52 replaces 3-4 F15EX ...... So imagine, 100 km from Bakhmut, 20 tons of such bombs in the air online dropped exactly at the coordinates in a short period of time.