Was there socialism in the USSR in the form in which Lenin represented it

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Was there socialism in the USSR in the form in which Lenin represented it

In the summer of 1917, Lenin wrote that the transition from socialism was a long process, the concrete course of which could be determined only by starting to move in that direction. But we, living in a hundred years, are interested not only in political tactics designed for completely different conditions, but also in the ultimate goal.

Although a significant part of what Lenin wrote was devoted to tactics and the moment of that time, it is still possible to form an image of the future from them, to which the Bolsheviks sought to bring Russian society closer. In his work The State and Revolution, Lenin wrote about the withering away of the political function of the state after the victory of the revolution and the suppression of the resistance of the exploiters.



According to Lenin's plan, the proletariat and the poorest peasantry were to unite in communes, and what was left of the state should unite the actions of all communes. Lenin, referring to Engels, argued that the centralist (unitary) rather than the federal republic provides the most freedom in the localities. Local society independently decides all issues, and the centralized state only coordinates the efforts of the communes where necessary.

Under socialism, there is no longer exploitation of man by man and private ownership of the means of production, which excludes the possibility of obtaining unearned income. Everyone who is able to work is rewarded according to his work. And so that no one cheats until abundance comes, the socialists demand the strictest control on the part of society and the state over the measure of labor and the measure of consumption.

Lenin demanded the transformation of all citizens into workers and employees of one syndicate-state and the subordination of this syndicate to a truly democratic state, the state of Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies. All citizens should participate in the government of the state.

However, the realities of the Civil War made their adjustments. Communes arose not so much as cells of self-government, but as a network for supplying the population with essential goods. Considering that a significant part of the resources went to the army, it is not surprising that it was not possible to establish a normal supply.

There is also little left of local government. The nationalized factories received the resources and production program from the center and handed over all their products back to the center for centralized distribution. Supply cuts caused popular discontent, which in turn sparked the NEP. Reflecting on why the transition to socialism was not possible at once, Lenin answers this question: "There was not enough culture."

However, even if one claims that socialism was never built in the USSR, this in no way devalues ​​all the achievements of the USSR.

The October Revolution affected the decline in the length of the working day throughout the world. The very fact of the emergence of a workers' state has improved the lives of working people in all countries. The Soviet Union forced the whole world to move towards greater equality for women, nationalities and nations. All options for the transition of states to general welfare were a response to the Soviet challenge. The program of the CPSU did not promise communism in the classical sense, but promised free meals, free transport and utilities, and a six-hour working day. And this is on top of the already achieved free education, health care and free apartments.

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  1. -41
    23 March 2023 21: 03
    The greatest swindler, this Lenin, Russophobe and selfish.
  2. -35
    23 March 2023 21: 04
    The October Revolution affected the decline in the length of the working day throughout the world.

    It's a lie. The 8-hour day was introduced by Henry Ford in 1914. In peacetime, the Bolsheviks were forced to introduce the American standard for workers, purely for ideological reasons, and the worker can’t stand it for a long time anyway ... you need to sleep and eat more.
    This old advertisement rested on the monopoly of the CPSU on the media.
    1. +30
      23 March 2023 21: 36
      The Bolsheviks were forced in peacetime, also for the workers, to introduce the American norm purely for ideological reasons.

      “Comrade Stalin sets a great task - to achieve a 5-hour working day. If we achieve this, then it will be a great coup. At nine I began work - at 2 o'clock it was already over, without a break.

      I had lunch - and free time. We will bypass capitalism on this one, they cannot do that, give them a profit, and give them the workers - but how can the Russians live well in 5 hours?

      No, give us socialism and Soviet Power too, we also want to live like people. This will be the peaceful offensive of communism. "

      “Communism is possible if the number of communists grows in life, not for fear, not for a bonus, but for conscience - those who are interested in working and living, who know how to work and relax, but not like that, on dances, but with a soul, to develop. "

      “Sport is a must for everyone; if the working day is 5 hours - enough for everything, you will have to study all your life. 10 years have passed - sit down again for a couple of months at the desk, remember history, geography. And if you know - pass the exam and walk for these two months. We don't need ignoramuses, we need communists without exception, but what kind of communist are you if you don't know anything and clutch at your heart at forty? We didn't have time, but you have, come on, develop, dear, Soviet Power gave you, use it and strengthen it yourself. "

      "And so - all over the world"

      From the records of L.P. Beria.
      1. -10
        23 March 2023 21: 42
        Stalin sets the great task of achieving a 5-hour working day. If we achieve this, it will be a great upheaval

        dreams, dreams .... now there is also one dreamer, he offered a 4-day work week ... and where is the realization of these fantasies - "you will know them by their fruits!"
        1. +29
          23 March 2023 22: 10
          It’s extremely difficult to call Comrade Stalin an empty dreamer ... Well, maybe a liberal.
    2. +32
      23 March 2023 21: 44
      Quote: Danila Rastorguev
      The 8-hour day was introduced by Henry Ford in 1914.

      You substitute concepts, and are engaged in taftology. Henry Ford introduced this rule ONLY in his company, and at that time it was an exception. The Bolsheviks (with my ambiguous attitude towards the Leninist guard) introduced LEGISLATIVELY an 8-hour day nationwide, and a big one. You are talking about some kind of ephemeral American standards, at a time when the standards were only Ford's. And if you dig deeper, then the 8-hour working day was not the first to introduce Ford at all.
      In 1810, the famous English socialist Robert Owen established a ten-hour working day for employees at his New Lanark plant. Seven years later, he went to a new reduction in the working day - up to 8 hours. Owen even came up with a special slogan: "8 hours of work, 8 hours of fun and 8 hours of rest."
    3. -20
      23 March 2023 22: 12
      An 8-hour work day is, of course, good. But the plan still needs to be done. And the remaining 8 hours will have to work at the plant wives weekend workers. And nothing else. This means workers will have to have fewer children. And teenagers will not have to work, just because they will not be born at all. A man needs to rest, of course. After all, he has so many things to do at home. The TV will not watch itself.
    4. +25
      23 March 2023 22: 17
      Quote: Danila Rastorguev
      It's a lie. The 8-hour day was introduced by Henry Ford in 1914. The Bolsheviks were forced in peacetime, also for the workers, to introduce the American norm purely for ideological reasons.

      But this is really a lie, complete and absolute. For the first time, an 8-hour working day for the category of workers appeared in Australia in 1856, then in a number of countries (before that it was, but at individual enterprises). But the fact is that there all this either happened with a decrease in salaries, or applied only to certain groups of the population (in the USA - to civil servants), or formally it was but was not actually carried out. But the USSR embodied all this at the universal level.
      1. +11
        24 March 2023 04: 41
        You ran into this eight-hour working day and forgot about maternity leave ...
        And this:
        Quote: Katya_Ivanova
        An 8-hour work day is, of course, good. But the plan still needs to be done. And the remaining 8 hours will have to work at the plant wives weekend workers. And nothing else. This means workers will have to have fewer children. And teenagers will not have to work, just because they will not be born at all. A man needs to rest, of course. After all, he has so many things to do at home. The TV will not watch itself.

        Nothing but the result of the bourgeois education system.
        Socialism is not a rigid system. This is a formation that changes and is subject to revision and improvement, the main idea of ​​which is from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
        Whether badly or well, the precepts of Lenin-Stalin were carried out, but the speculative-liberal system that has been created so far eats and cannot devour the fruits of the socialist system. Until now, buildings in which industrial enterprises were located remained in the cities. I have not heard that the bourgeois have built at least one theater, museum, library. And in houses built during the Soviet era, we still live ...
        There are proposals from the IVS to reform production in the USSR, which proposed a reduction in the working day in order to increase the free time of workers in order to increase their cultural level ...
        Maybe that's why on New Year's Eve all television programs are clogged with "uncivilized" Soviet films...
    5. +2
      24 March 2023 08: 21
      Danila Rastorguev. What you write is true. But the truth also lies in the fact that Ford introduced such a sweatshop system in which the worker gave all the best in more than 12 hours.
  3. +18
    23 March 2023 21: 17
    The Russian Communist Party must set itself the task of establishing in the future, with a general increase in labor productivity, a maximum six-hour working day without reducing wages.
    1919, Lenin
    To do this, it is necessary first of all to reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is to ensure that members of the society have enough free time to receive a comprehensive education. To this end, it is necessary, further, to introduce compulsory polytechnic education, which is necessary for the members of society to have the opportunity to freely choose a profession and not be chained for life to any one profession.
    1952, Stalin
    1. -18
      23 March 2023 23: 02
      With all due respect to IV Stalin, I did not see any concern for the village, well, none, except for harm. Productivity fell on collective farms, the people worked, but not as much as for themselves, but also on collective farms for sticks! Certainly there were big distortions. There were no passports and the movement of collective farmers from the village to the cities was a problem. Instead of working, the rural youth fled to the club for dancing, and the harvest disappeared. Although there is no dispute about industrialization, it's time for our officials to read and learn how they did it!
      1. +16
        24 March 2023 03: 16
        Quote: d1975
        Instead of working, the rural youth fled to the club for dancing, and the harvest disappeared.

        Stunned, but the club and the dances in it spontaneously originated from poverty and lawlessness? Here is your level of knowledge and logic...
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      3. +7
        24 March 2023 04: 53
        Quote: d1975
        With all due respect to Stalin, I did not see the care of the village

        With all your disrespect for socialism, you must understand that the priority task of the Soviet government was the development of industry of group A (heavy engineering, chemical production, machine tool building, etc.)
        That is why in the USSR they flew on Ilahs, Carcasses, Yaks and Annushkas, regardless of Boeings and Airbuses.
        In agriculture, the main problem (this cannot be called a mistake, because agricultural equipment was updated and produced, maybe not in the quantity and for the purpose that was required, but produced) was hard physical labor and the specifics of agricultural work, in which to talk about normal working day during cleaning was premature.
        In the village, a day feeds a year.
  4. -31
    23 March 2023 21: 19
    on top of already achieved free education, health care and free apartments

    this is a fairy tale about free apartments, employees of some enterprises received apartments for free, the rest either had to stand in the "queue" for improving their living conditions, or look for an opportunity to join a cooperative, although in fairness it should be noted that the price of a cooperative apartment was comparable to the 2nd average annual income citizen
    1. +34
      23 March 2023 21: 30
      Both I and all my relatives live in apartments received from the Soviet government. And the mother-in-law is in the cooperative she bought at the same time ..

      In general, how I love it when they tell me in what terrible conditions I spent my youth ... How the commies oppressed me, how I fluff from hunger, howled from the lack of jeans and chewing gum, suffered unbearably from the lack of freedom of speech and democracy ... Woo....
    2. +19
      23 March 2023 21: 31
      Quote: Vladimir80
      the rest either had to stand in the "queue" for the improvement of living conditions,

      Well? The waiting list received apartments for free. Cooperative - people wanted more space, rooms, a different layout. So no fairy tale. My minus.
      Real socialism was under I.V. Stalin. And he said "let people live under socialism." Yes, history does not know the subjunctive moods, but I am sure that if it were not for the Second World War, the USSR would have shown the whole world the beauty of socialism, and perhaps would have moved on to building communism.
      1. -15
        23 March 2023 21: 38
        to all witnesses - I do not scold the USSR, it was a great country, but if communism was real on earth - the USSR would never have collapsed - this is the time! secondly, all modern problems with the inaccessibility of housing originate in the USSR, read the statistics of how many communal apartments, barracks, hostels and dilapidated housing were by 1985. (remember also Gorbachev's promises, which the people listened to with their mouths open!)
        1. -4
          23 March 2023 22: 05
          all modern problems with the inaccessibility of housing originate in the USSR

          Then from tsarist Russia. Or rather, with the beginning of industrialization. They came from villages to cities to work, lived in barracks. The capitalists did not bother with housing construction. Yes, and Stalin leaned more on industrial construction. Only damned Khrushchev really got confused. :)
        2. +18
          23 March 2023 22: 06
          The USSR has been gone for 32 years now - and the Bolsheviks are still to blame for all the problems of our time .. That's what it means to listen to the words of the adored guarantor a lot ..

          As for housing - did it ever occur to you HOW MANY resources had to be spent just to make up for what was destroyed in the Second World War? I’m already silent about defense spending in order not to let the West devour us ..
      2. -8
        23 March 2023 23: 28
        Quote: Egoza
        Real socialism was under I.V. Stalin. And he said "let people live under socialism."

        Well, you understand that the system that works under a specific leader is not viable.
        As soon as the leader changed, that's all - the cap rushed over the bumps ...
        The same capitalism has existed for roughly 200 years and is not going to die - against 30 socialism under Stalin ..
        1. +4
          24 March 2023 05: 01
          Quote: your1970
          The same capitalism has existed for roughly 200 years and is not going to die

          Why are you so restless? You will figure out how capitalism lives and who lives well there.
          Capitalism is a society of parasites, where a handful of those in power are fattening, and the bulk are engaged in sweatshop labor. And what their own population does not give is brought by migrants and carried from countries pacified by the army and military bases.
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 11: 49
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Why are you so restless? You will figure out how capitalism lives and who lives well there.
            Capitalism is a society of parasites, where a handful of those in power are fattening, and the bulk are engaged in sweatshop labor.

            Quote: paul3390
            200 years on the scale of history is about nothing.

            The question is not the sweatshop of labor - the question of the stability of the system ...
            Here's an example
            Quote: Egoza
            Real socialism was under I.V. Stalin.
            - Stalin left and there was no real socialism.
            That is System absolutely not protected from fools / traitors / traitors ....
            Banal example:
            US rules full du! Cancer George W. Bush Jr. - something has changed in the US ?? No!!!
            The USA ruled Kennedy, killed him - has something changed in the USA ??
            No!!!
            Gorbachev came - the USSR was gone
            Whether SYSTEM protected from traitors / traitors / fools?
            No!! Absolutely not!!!
            This indicates the extreme instability of the System as such, its extreme dependence on the leader.
            It's like (conditionally !!) a tank - they changed the killed crew and went into battle, and not only did our caterpillars (limitrophes) run away in one direction, and the tower (Ukraine) in the other, and the motor (RK) in the third. And we are sitting in a tank corps, but with a supply of cartridges for a machine gun (RB) - without a machine gun (Moldova) ...

            If you do not have an indicator of 200 years of capitalism as a system, then the example of Christianity as a SYSTEM is even more significant.
            Against their background, 73 years of the USSR is a very short time. I knew people who, at a conscious age, lived under the tsar - under the USSR - and again fell into capitalism in the 1990s
            And yet, the problem of the return of socialism lies in the fact that now the people want everything here and now. Straightaway..
            Not "apartments in 2000m !!!" - but here and now. And any scrapping of the state apparatus will cause a deterioration in the standard of living of people, as in 1917 and 1991.
            And a situation may arise "And ??? Well, they put Chubais on a stake and took away the land from our farmer? And then what?" Why did we shed blood on the Civil ???
            Could this be? Yes easily....

            Z.Y.
            And you keep imagining that I stand up for capitalism and praise it
        2. +5
          24 March 2023 09: 18
          The same capitalism has existed for roughly 200 years and is not going to die - against 30 socialism under Stalin ..

          200 years on the scale of history is about nothing. You better remember how many years capitalism spent on its victory. One war in the Netherlands lasted as long as the USSR existed ..

          Understand - the Union was the FIRST experiment of socialism on the planet .. And - prohibitively effective. But - the first, with all the mistakes inherent in the pioneers. Further - it will be easier, because we will be able to rely on the experience of our great ancestors.
    3. +15
      23 March 2023 21: 46
      The issuance of apartments in the USSR took place in accordance with their availability and as construction progressed. For example, my father very quickly, in a year with a little work at the enterprise, received a one-room apartment for 3 people in the family. But when I, the second child, was already born, I had to wait 8 years for improvement. But they immediately issued a 3-shku, "Czech", although according to the norms of footage per person, a 2-shka was supposed to. Like this. (For reference, the family of an engineer at a machine-building plant.)
      1. +3
        24 March 2023 05: 05
        Quote: MBRBS
        But they immediately issued a 3-shku, "Czech", although according to the norms of footage per person, a 2-shka was supposed to.

        Probably in your family there were children of different sexes. We (with the birth of a brother) were given a "kopeck piece". A friend already had a “four-room apartment” - his father was the director of some enterprise.
    4. +20
      23 March 2023 22: 21
      Quote: Vladimir80
      about free apartments is a fairy tale

      Yes, yes, tell it to me, from whom my father got a kopeck piece for free in the USSR. And the mother-in-law with the father-in-law - three rubles
      1. -6
        23 March 2023 22: 45
        My grandmother also got an apartment for free from the weaving factory where she worked, after about 25 years of work... And my parents worked in an ordinary design institute, of which there were hundreds and thousands, and their organization did not have money to build houses for employees...
        1. +5
          24 March 2023 05: 13
          Quote: Vladimir80
          And the parents worked in an ordinary design institute, of which there were hundreds and thousands, and their organization did not have money to build houses for employees ...

          In the USSR, valuable employees and efficient specialists were not left without housing.
          The pace of housing construction has not kept pace with the increase in population. This is the same number of people living in the country today (or even less) than thirty years ago.
          If we conduct an audit of the housing stock in Moscow, then it may turn out that a huge number of apartments belong either to those who have a second (third, fourth ...) housing, or to no one knows ...
        2. +2
          24 March 2023 08: 25
          Excuse me, but in what city was the design institute?
      2. +6
        24 March 2023 03: 17
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        I got a kopeck piece for free in the USSR.

        In 69, at the end of the sailor, he worked in the navy. At 75 he got married - they gave him a room in a hostel. At 77 they gave me a kopeck piece, I entered on November 6, on the street 60 years of October. On Anniversary!
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    6. +5
      24 March 2023 05: 00
      Quote: Vladimir80
      about free apartments is a fairy tale,

      Yeah, a fairy tale ... My dad got an apartment of more than 80 square meters, a pink toilet with a bathtub, a fairy tale, damn it.
  5. +6
    23 March 2023 21: 26
    Alas, according to Lenin, socialism is possible only after victory throughout the planet. In the conditions of the most severe confrontation with the bourgeois West - what kind of communes are there .. Here the super efforts of the whole people, the whole country are needed - and this is possible only with centralized planned management ..
    1. -4
      23 March 2023 21: 52
      fierce confrontation with the bourgeois West

      and what was it (I'm not talking about the arms race)? in financing the countries of Africa and Asia, as soon as they called themselves socialist in words (!)? where are the socialist SFRY, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania?
    2. +2
      23 March 2023 21: 57
      I hope that time will come....
    3. +5
      24 March 2023 05: 16
      Quote: paul3390
      and this is possible only with centralized planned management ...

      ... and public (state) ownership of land, natural resources, energy and transport ...
      Yes
  6. -15
    23 March 2023 21: 29
    1. The state has not died out. On the contrary, a superstructure of the second level of management, the CPSU, was added from above.
    2. Money left.
    3. Privileges remain.
    The result was a "state-syndicate": completely disenfranchised peasants, the proletariat with the right to file complaints with the Pravda newspaper, and top management in the form of cadre workers, nomenklatura.

    Yes, for ordinary members of the syndicate, part of the profit was given out not in money, but in social benefits, free housing and education.

    At the same time, the system managed to squeeze out the work of ordinary members without a trace - both subbotniks, and competitions, and other Stakhanov shock work.

    The management of this syndicate was concentrated in the hands of the party and state elite, when this concentration reached its maximum, the elite transferred their non-cash privileges into the form of cash and real estate.

    The circle is closed.

    Dragon biting its own tail.
  7. +6
    23 March 2023 21: 31
    All citizens should participate in the government of the state.

    This key postulate, unfortunately, has not been achieved. Well, nothing, we have everything ahead!
    1. -3
      23 March 2023 23: 42
      Quote: MBRBS
      Participate in the government of the state all citizens.

      This key postulate, unfortunately, has not been achieved. Well, nothing, we are all ahead!
      - Are you sure you want it? To ALL(!!!!) did the citizens run the state?
      Pugacheva, for example, or Lesha the Soldier, or my neighbor, a boozer?
      Or all the same, suddenly you are in favor of PART citizens to power did not break through?
  8. -2
    23 March 2023 21: 37
    Quote: MBRBS
    All citizens should participate in the government of the state.

    This key postulate, unfortunately, has not been achieved. Well, nothing, we have everything ahead!

    Every cook will be able to rule the state!
    1. +2
      23 March 2023 21: 55
      At that time it is possible. But depending on which cook
    2. +11
      23 March 2023 21: 56
      Quote from Kuziming
      Every cook will be able to rule the state!

      Not a cook, but a cook (1) and 2. Why don't you quote to the end? "after appropriate training" 3 And this was said in order to show that it is not necessary to have "earls and generals" in the ancestors, but even a simple person after training can reach great heights.
    3. +2
      23 March 2023 22: 22
      The trick is that each "cook" must be mandatory (if necessary - forcibly!) TEACH to manage the state. The most capable students should already really manage.
      At least in higher education institutions under the social me there should be a mandatory labor practice in the governing bodies (councils, district executive committees, mayor's office, etc.) The people should SEE the process of governance with their own eyes and, if possible, participate in it. Then, by the way, there will be more trust in such a government, and there will be an understanding of whether the apparatus is doing well.
      If we want "correct" socialism, then this will have to be taken seriously in the near, I hope, future.
    4. -3
      24 March 2023 00: 24
      Quote from Kuziming
      Every cook will be able to rule the state!

      PMC can! It is a fact . Lenin is a lawyer, Stalin is a seminarian-expropriator (bandit), Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko are party workers, Andropov is a KGB, Gorbachev is a combine operator, Yeltsin is a party worker, Putin is a KGB, Medvedev is a teacher at the institute. There was no cook or cook yet. hi
      1. 0
        25 March 2023 11: 47
        Quote: fif21
        Stalin - seminarian - expropriator (bandit)

        How many people in the modern world know more about Stalin than the Department for the Protection of Public Security and Order.
  9. +7
    23 March 2023 21: 39
    And I'll add my 35 cents.
    Lenin, Zinoviev and Trotsky were preparing the ex-RI, and when everything grew together and it was necessary to move forward, and there was not a single founder, there was not a single founder, so common phrases.
    And only when the temporary detention center came to real power, did he ruin everything.
    For which many generations are grateful.
    1. -13
      23 March 2023 23: 05
      Lenin is the enemy. so to speak bulk of his time. With foreign money and weapons, he and his gang turned the collapse of the super empire. In the Empire, money was made of gold!!! It's good that one of his gang realized where all this could lead. cleaned out all this evil spirits and again made a superpower out of Russia.
      Thank you, tov. Stalin!!!
      1. -1
        25 March 2023 11: 59
        Quote: Saboteur
        Thank you, tov. Stalin!!!

        And Stalin called himself a Leninist purely out of Uligan motives feel
        "Voters, the people must demand from their deputies that they remain at the height of their tasks, that they do not descend to the level of political philistines in their work, that they remain at the post of politicians of the Leninist type, that they be as clear and definite figures as Lenin, that they be as fearless in battle and merciless towards the enemies of the people as Lenin was, that they be free from any panic, from any semblance of panic, when things begin to get complicated and some danger looms on the horizon, that they be free from any semblance of panic, as Lenin was free, so that they were wise and unhurried when solving complex issues, where a comprehensive orientation and comprehensive consideration of all the pluses and minuses, which Lenin was, were needed, so that they were also truthful and honest, which Lenin was, so that they also loved their people, as Lenin loved them." December 11, 1937
        1. 0
          3 December 2023 22: 00
          Leninism was given to the people instead of Christianity. Those. they simply made a symbol out of it.
    2. +1
      25 March 2023 11: 51
      Quote: ee2100
      Yes, common phrases.

      For example - "Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country"? And is the replacement of the surplus tax with a tax in kind - is this an action of "general phrases"? What about the NEP?
  10. 0
    23 March 2023 21: 53
    . Was there socialism in the USSR in the form in which Lenin represented it

    Was not. Didn't have time to implement. Further built who as seen
  11. +8
    23 March 2023 21: 54
    What exactly do the words "a truly democratic state" mean?

    The author would like to read the main works. At least "State and Revolution". Or Engels' "The Development of Socialism from Utopia to Science". Then there is something to discuss.
    I don’t understand the authors on such topics - usually who is in what, but about the main thing no-gu-gu.

    About the fact that in Marxism "socialism" means a new form of democracy, in which power is elected and unified, without division into flirty-parliamentary and money-handling, but NOT elected-executive.

    You can agree, you can criticize, but the authors have neither one nor the other. Just silent ..... But in reality?
    There was a congress of people's deputies in October 1993, which had powers, but from its tanks .... Here are those grandmother and democracy.
  12. -5
    23 March 2023 22: 19
    I didn’t watch the video, but the article is very, very superficial.
    Over the past 100 years, the original ideas have been forgotten, and now socialism is understood as a kind of just society where there are no exploiters and exploited - as they wrote on the posters.
    But did you know that Hitler and his party also built socialism in Germany? But there were private property and the bourgeoisie in Germany, how come?
    I will try to explain.
    One of the revolutionary achievements of science in the 19th century was the evolutionary theory of the origin of species by Charles Darwin. According to it, it turned out that the animal and plant world can be formed at the discretion of human creators. One has only to carry out a selection (selection) of individuals that will pass on their useful qualities to offspring - on the one hand; on the other hand, it is necessary to create conditions for the existence of animals and plants that will force plants and animals to develop new conditioned reflexes and new qualities.
    And then the idea came into the hotheads of the revolutionaries - "What if the mechanisms of evolutionary development are applied to human society, to carry out selection, to create such living conditions for people in order to develop new social reflexes and abilities in them."
    And the application of this idea in practice is called the construction of socialism.
    In Germany, the selection of people followed the principles of Nazism - they destroyed "inferior people" on the basis of belonging to a particular nation, mentally retarded, "Untermensch". The offspring of selected Germans, in the end, was supposed to represent the ideal society according to the ideas of Nazism.
    In the USSR, the selection of the population was carried out according to the principles of Marxism - the "bourgeoisie and world-eaters-parasites on the body of the proletariat" were destroyed, the population of nobles, capitalist entrepreneurs, kulaks, and clergymen disappeared.
    Part of the population could not be attributed to either "proletarians" or "bourgeois" - and for such citizens they came up with interesting external conditions in which, according to evolutionary theory, they had to change in the right direction.
    Gulag - do you think it was just a mockery of people and cheap labor?
    But just there they "reforged" people. Look at the photographs of Rodchenko from the construction of the White Sea Canal and pay attention to the slogans.
    https://dzen.ru/media/sevprostor/bezumnyi-byt-zakliuchennyh-stroitelei-belomorkanala-arhivnye-foto-5ef247cf3e77116dfac6d106
    “The corrective labor policy of the USSR is not to punish, but to correct on the basis of socially useful labor and political re-education,” etc. That is, according to the evolutionary theory, the bourgeois were placed in such conditions that he had to develop new reflexes and become a proletarian.

    Echoes of that era have survived to this day, we just do not think about their origin.
    Thieves' romance - duck still! the criminals in the Gulag were officially in a higher social position than "class enemies", these are just misguided proletarians, and an unjust society, that is, the same bourgeois, is to blame for their criminal behavior.
    And I perfectly remember the Soviet commercials of the 80s, when in a story about a criminal it was always mentioned that "this society is to blame that he is like that"; but remember the fashion for chanson that has survived to this day.
    And remember how in the 80s we were all called not Russians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, etc., but "Soviet people." What is it about? - Yes, everything is about the same thing: "Soviet man" was supposed to be the result of a lecture.

    And remember other signs of such a vulgar interpretation of evolutionary theory - Lysenko with ideas like "place a potato in the right conditions and in a few generations it will turn into a banana."

    So socialism is the application of Darwin's theory to people for the sake of building an ideal society.
  13. 0
    23 March 2023 22: 20
    The question is different. Was there socialism at all, except for slogans
    1. +3
      24 March 2023 05: 06
      Quote: sergey_vakk
      The question is different. Was there socialism at all, except for slogans

      The question is also in another. Was there any capitalism at all, except for slogans, or was it just banditry?
  14. +3
    23 March 2023 22: 21
    The feeling that again the electricity was connected to the computers with a forelock, the first-class crap from the journalists again got out
  15. +4
    23 March 2023 22: 30
    The author, it seems to me that you have not read The State and Revolution ... but in vain, my friend, a useful book ... And who told you that socialism was not built? - was built by 1936, in full measure ... And what has been pulling you all lately for the Unified State Examination students to compost the brains about socialism? just such a revival - as if on command ...
    1. -4
      24 March 2023 00: 41
      Quote: Sergey Drozdov
      And what has been pulling you all lately for the USE students to compost the brains about socialism? just such a revival - as if on command ..

      Experiments to create a just society in Russia continue.
      And mice want to know what awaits them. Offended by the West (and rightly so) And what in return? I'm afraid that again, with Komsomol enthusiasm, by trial and error, we will build a super-duper country. hi
  16. +3
    23 March 2023 23: 05
    Lenin on the podium (pictured) There are no microphones in front of Lenin, he delivers a speech to the revolutionary people with his voice (seemingly in a powerful voice). . . good
  17. +4
    23 March 2023 23: 46
    A complete utopia. But the slogans were fascinating.
  18. +3
    24 March 2023 00: 07
    Quote: Luenkov
    The greatest swindler, this Lenin, Russophobe and selfish.


    - Yes, you, my friend, are just an example of an apologist for the past and present capitalism in Russia ...
  19. +2
    24 March 2023 00: 52
    Karl Marx wrote that communism will come only when capitalism has exhausted itself. That is, this moment is coming only now, Lenin was clearly in a hurry, but only the communists, like Lenin, who are ready to build communism, are no longer there.
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  20. +1
    24 March 2023 02: 11
    I have built a modern socialist society at home. I have two cats, when I feed them - one, larger, pushes the young one away from the bowl, for which he receives a towel.
  21. 0
    24 March 2023 04: 35
    Any social "....izm" is first of all a social movement.
    Self-organization among the people. And what do people organize themselves for? Except how to steal and rob? I heard about a case at one Ural plant. The workers decided to form a union. They were identified, terribly beaten and kicked into the street.... Our self-organization for banditry is a hundred times stronger than for socialism. There are no other isms
  22. -2
    24 March 2023 07: 11
    Socialism according to Lenin (Marx, Trotsky) existed until the abolition of "war communism in 1921. This is forced labor, labor conscription, labor armies. For refusal - executions. The ban on private trade, the maximum raking out of products from the peasants. The country is like a huge concentration camp.
    The Leninist-Trotskyist idea of ​​world revolution is the same current globalism, only in a different wrapper.
    Peasant uprisings and the civil war in general were a clear form of resistance. Implicit - a sharp reduction in acreage. As a result - devastation in the economy and the famine of 1921.
    Socialism in its usual form (for the people, for the average person) began to appear after the victory over the Trotskyists. The stages of this path are the expulsion of Trotsky, the removal of his supporters from power and (most importantly!) The trials of 1937-1938. When part of the executioners of the Russian people was destroyed. Alas, innocent people inevitably suffered as well.
    Stalin created an alternative to the rulers of the world and their system. Whether he was at the same time a secret Russian patriot or simply understood that he would not fit into this world system in any way and would be destroyed on occasion is an open question, opinions here are different.
    By the way, they destroyed it. Who? At a minimum, Stalin received no medical attention. Possibly poisoned.
    Stalin's refusal to support the Comintern is apparently a sign that he finally and, perhaps, forcedly (?) staked on the development of an independent and autarkic (if possible) USSR.
    The Brezhnev USSR against the background of current life, of course, is remembered as a wonderful fairy tale. The 2nd country in the world could not become so by chance. Therefore, the USSR today is diligently poured with slop in the anti-Soviet serials put on stream.
    But this was not done according to Lenin. Actually.
    The death of Brezhnev, Ustinov, Kulakov, Masherov, Suslov, Chernenko is a separate issue. There are different opinions.
  23. -1
    24 March 2023 07: 47
    Comrade Stalin sets the great task of achieving a 5-hour working day. If we achieve this, it will be a great upheaval.

    Stalin did not work at modern automobile plants such as Volkswagen and others like him.
    You can also dream of life in space and at the bottom of the oceans. Criticism:
    1) there cannot be many factories, since the size of the Earth is finite.
    Therefore, the plant must work around the clock ... at least 5 days a week.
    2) a work shift cannot be an odd number of hours.
    Maybe 8,6,4,2 or more: shifts should be back-to-back as a minimum. If some workers have already left, and the 2nd shift has not yet arrived, then welding and other robots will be launched half a shift.
    ...
    You must either work or not work (lunch does not count). The plant is not a field - it must work 24 hours a day.
  24. -4
    24 March 2023 08: 07
    In the USSR, valuable employees and efficient specialists were not left without housing.
    The pace of housing construction has not kept up with the increase in population.

    The total number of the indigenous population of Russia was decreasing.
    The population of cities increased.
    The Bolsheviks first wanted a world revolution ... and when they broke off, they set to achieve at least state sovereignty.
    And sovereignty can only be achieved by regularly winning wars.
    And at that time in the history of the war, those who had more factories won, and this, as a result, was the construction and repair of urban housing. Since human resources are limited, the Bolsheviks distributed most of it to the construction of factories and a little bit to the construction of housing for hard workers ... purely for appearances ... for valuable ones so that they do not die very quickly, for those of little value as a hope for better living conditions in the future. .. type of lying indefinitely impossible.
  25. -2
    24 March 2023 08: 24
    You substitute concepts, and are engaged in taftology. Henry Ford introduced this rule ONLY in his company, and at that time it was an exception. The Bolsheviks (with my ambiguous attitude towards the Leninist guards) introduced LEGISLATIVELY an 8-hour day on a state scale, and a large one at that.

    Henry Ford is a modern-day saint of American culture. The Bolsheviks, on the other hand, studied American culture in droves (Mayakovsky, the author of the Golden Calf, for example) as earlier midshipmen studied French culture for copying.
    On the scale of the state, legislative chaos and lawlessness in relation to the producer of material values ​​began even Napoleon. The Bolsheviks only copied the global trend in the development of relations between the elite and the people. The same British aristocrats broke the wishes of their industrialists through the knee, introducing a 10-hour limitation of the working day ... and not how the working libertarian party achieved this.
  26. +1
    24 March 2023 08: 26
    The main accusation of the liberals of the USSR is "sausage trains". But everything is relative. Under Nicholas II, workers also did not indulge in meat products. And they drank sugar with tea as a bite. That the Soviet leaders were Russophobes. In any case, there was a fifth article in the passport, which for some reason has disappeared at the present time
  27. +1
    24 March 2023 15: 03
    Everyone around writes about socialism, completely forgetting or not knowing at all that this is not some kind of separate socio-political formation, but just a transitional period between capitalism and communism.

    When the people are already aware that there is nothing free in this world, which follows from the laws of conservation of matter and energy, as well as the second law of thermodynamics. Someone paid for everything. Labor, resources, the lives of others, etc.
    There is an idea of ​​free access to material and non-material benefits for everyone. Within reasonable limits and with the operation of the mechanism of reasonable self-restraint.
    By the way, just as today we can observe in everyday life the birthmarks of previous socio-political formations, for example, collective production came to us from the first slave-owning states, so we can observe powerful sprouts from the communist tomorrow that has not yet been achieved, for example, Free Software, access to which free for everyone. To pay for the work of the developer is the right of the user, but not the obligation.
    It is necessary to understand the difference between free and shareware goods, even if no one is forcing you to pay for them. Already paid. Use it, show respect to the creators. Take as needed. Give according to your ability and opportunity.
  28. 0
    24 March 2023 18: 57
    The personnel system created by I.V. Stalin, closed to one person, turned out to be incapacitated. And, therefore, already after the death of I.V. Stalin, Khrushchev, who made his way to the top of power, managed to spoil in all areas of both the national economy and public life. It was this one who made a decisive contribution to the collapse of the country. Then Andropov, Gorby, EBN did their best... And the elderly and sick general secretaries - Brezhnev, Chernenko - simply did not have enough convolutions to adequately assess the state of the economy and rectify the situation. And all these Politburos, the Central Committee of the CPSU turned out to be the same exaggerated empty shells, capable only of party intrigues ... That is, our system of power, closed on the CPSU, turned out to be incapacitated - and this is the only reason these individuals - G and EBN were able to ruin the real great state...
  29. 0
    25 March 2023 14: 22
    Quote: Danila Rastorguev
    In peacetime, the Bolsheviks were forced to introduce the American standard for workers, purely for ideological reasons, and the worker can’t stand it for a long time anyway ... you need to sleep and eat more.


    If for ideological reasons, then the ideology is not so bad, however, if this is required, right?
    Demands to shorten the working day were voiced long before 1914, and precisely by left-wing parties.
    In the 19th century, they worked for 10-12 hours, and not only adults.
  30. +2
    25 March 2023 14: 25
    Quote: Danila Rastorguev
    The total number of the indigenous population of Russia was decreasing.
    The population of cities increased.


    When gentlemen liberals, supporters of the market and democracy, came to power, the population in general and the number of citizens in particular began to decline at an accelerated pace.
  31. +1
    25 March 2023 14: 29
    Quote: Danila Rastorguev
    Maybe 8,6,4,2 or more: shifts should be back-to-back as a minimum. If some workers have already left, and the 2nd shift has not yet arrived, then welding and other robots will be launched half a shift.


    Not all industrial enterprises operate in a continuous cycle.
    By the way, robots and other equipment also need a break for rest and maintenance.
    Otherwise, they won't last long.
  32. +1
    25 March 2023 14: 30
    Quote: ivan2022
    Our self-organization for banditry is a hundred times stronger than for socialism. There are no other isms


    There is capitalism, however. Do you think those hard workers were beaten just like that, not on the orders of the owners of the enterprise?
  33. +1
    25 March 2023 14: 32
    Quote: ivan2022
    The project "Russian people" the Lord God is clearly winding down.


    If you don't like Russians so much, why did you choose such a nickname.
    But God is not. laughing
  34. -2
    25 March 2023 15: 25
    Not all industrial enterprises operate in a continuous cycle.
    By the way, robots and other equipment also need a break for rest and maintenance.

    1. Instructions for managing the state db foolproof and corruption resistant.
    Since most enterprises work or climb out of their skin to work around the clock, the law should talk about them and not those who are in the tail and then join the general movement.
    2. Factory grinders, machines, robots are designed for uninterrupted use. Factories simply do not buy other equipment. There are breakdowns of machines ... then the sooner you start repairs, the sooner you start up again. If the shift was not at the workplace, then no one will do repairs until a new shift comes and stands near idle machines.
  35. -1
    25 March 2023 15: 38
    If for ideological reasons, then the ideology is not so bad, however, if this is required, right?
    Demands to shorten the working day were voiced long before 1914, and precisely by left-wing parties.

    Still, they did not switch to a 6-hour working day, although they lived so richly that Gorbachev gave America all European markets.
    The db ideology is not only good, but also more tenacious than other ideologies.
    And why did Lenin's philosophy turn out to be non-living?
    Because without solving the fundamental problems of the state, it ceased to be competitive under the changed capitalism.
  36. -2
    25 March 2023 15: 45
    But God is not.

    Little reasoned argument.
    Thomas Aquinas made many arguments that the universe was created by creative power.
    In general, people often do not distinguish between the Super-Essence and Mother Nature (Evolution). And arguing with the idea of ​​God, they are actually arguing with interpretations of Divine Revelation such as the Bible.
  37. +1
    28 March 2023 14: 17
    Quote: Danila Rastorguev
    Little reasoned argument.
    Thomas Aquinas made many arguments that the universe was created by creative power.
    In general, people often do not distinguish between the Super-Essence and Mother Nature (Evolution). And arguing with the idea of ​​God, they are actually arguing with interpretations of Divine Revelation such as the Bible.


    The Cynics, as well as the later scholastics, could “prove” anything and disprove anything with logical tricks.
    The arguments of Thomas are not worth a penny, because this is just a game of intellect, nothing more.
    The real proof of the existence of God is only empirical, practical...

    I can be written down among those who offend the "feelings of believers" for such a statement.
    But then, for the company, I will have to write down God himself, since he practically confirms my thesis, creating the illusion of his non-existence.
    For what? Are you shy? Fears? Well, that's funny.
    So God wants to convince us of his own non-existence. After all, nothing prevents him from showing the opposite.
    And if so, I am more pleasing to Him than you, because I agree with him, but you do not.

    This is the sample of scholasticism ... if you do not understand.

    And no one could provide experimental proof of the existence of the Creator, although many people tried and for a long time...
  38. +1
    28 March 2023 14: 28
    Quote: Danila Rastorguev
    Still, they did not switch to a 6-hour working day, although they lived so richly that Gorbachev gave America all European markets.
    The db ideology is not only good, but also more tenacious than other ideologies.
    And why did Lenin's philosophy turn out to be non-living?
    Because without solving the fundamental problems of the state, it ceased to be competitive under the changed capitalism.


    Who lived richly? Soviet people?
    Of course not. In material terms, the standard of living is average, even lower.
    Gorbachev could not donate all European markets, since these markets did not belong to either Gorbachev or the USSR. Gorbachev is a stubborn anti-communist, which he later admitted to.
    And the ideology and philosophy of the communist is quite alive, has not gone away. Yes, our state professes a different ideology, but the result of this is not encouraging either.
    The further into the capitalist "Tomorrow", the brighter our recent Soviet past...
    1. 0
      30 March 2023 09: 37
      Uh-huh ... They lived in the USSR in poverty, but Soviet poor savings are still frozen .. Can you explain?

      In material terms, since 1988 there has been a rating of the UN quality of life by country. You can find it on the web. In 1988, the USSR was in 26th place. After 2020, the Russian Federation is in place 60 + .... The Government of the Russian Federation recognizes, although if someone is stubborn, he may not recognize it. Private bussiness....

      I can also offer an estimate of the gold content of the average Soviet salary and pension in the 80s for comparison with today's anti-Soviet salaries and pensions. To do this, you need to find the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar and the price of gold in foreign currency by year.

      It turns out that we were shod twice. This is quite consistent with the common sense that Yeltsin and his gang did not destroy the USSR in order to make a herd of one hundred and forty million live richer. Do you think Yeltsin did everything to make your life better?
  39. +2
    31 March 2023 13: 40
    Quote: ivan2022
    Uh-huh ... They lived in the USSR in poverty, but Soviet poor savings are still frozen .. Can you explain?

    In material terms, since 1988 there has been a rating of the UN quality of life by country. You can find it on the web. In 1988, the USSR was in 26th place. After 2020, the Russian Federation is in place 60 + .... The Government of the Russian Federation recognizes, although if someone is stubborn, he may not recognize it. Private bussiness....

    I can also offer an estimate of the gold content of the average Soviet salary and pension in the 80s for comparison with today's anti-Soviet salaries and pensions. To do this, you need to find the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar and the price of gold in foreign currency by year.

    It turns out that we were shod twice. This is quite consistent with the common sense that Yeltsin and his gang did not destroy the USSR in order to make a herd of one hundred and forty million live richer. Do you think Yeltsin did everything to make your life better?


    I did not say that it was poor ... they did not live well. And they simply could not live otherwise.

    Putting aside savings is typical just for poor people.
    Savings were relatively large, because very often people could not spend money on expensive purchases, a shortage of goods (furniture, household appliances, cars), alas, is not an invention.

    The quality of life is determined not only by income, salary, etc. The USSR gained in the ranking due to the availability of education, medicine, etc.

    The official ruble exchange rate is correct for the so-called. foreign currency ruble, and not for the money that salaries were paid. The foreign currency ruble also existed in cash, such rubles were used by those who bought goods in the Beryozka retail chain of stores. Such rubles were also called "cheques". In my region, "cheques" could be bought from speculators for ordinary rubles at a rate of 1:4.
    Count yourself further.

    Of course, Yeltsin and others were destroying the USSR not in order for "ordinary workers" to live richer, but in order to benefit themselves.
    Shoe - not in terms of salaries, first of all, but in terms of social funds (which provided medicine, education, etc.).

    The reformers were able to do this thanks to the very "Soviet people" who voted for Yeltsin and his ilk. We need to be honest with ourselves and admit that part of the guilt that lies with us, since we so easily bought into cheap demagogy and turned away from the memory and spiritual heritage of our ancestors ...
  40. 0
    April 28 2023 12: 06
    Todos los problemas de la URSS, hasta su hundimiento, solo tienen una causa: el fracaso de la Revolución Socialista que recorría Europa y en la que los Bolcheviqes rusos tenían puestas sus esperanzas. Solo el triunfo de las revoluciones en curso en las naciones más avanzadas tecnológica, industrial, y económicamente, podría garantizar la existencia de la República Socialista Soviética en la que los hechos contradigeron al propio Marx, que sostuvo que la Revolución triun faría primero en los países desarrollados . Pero fue en Rusia, un país semi semifeudal y atrasado cuyos líderes tuvieron que enfrentar la rotura de todos los esquemas teóricos y lidiar con los problemas que en los países avanzados estaban superados. Sin estudiar los textos de la época, de los dirigentes como Lenin y Trotski, nadie comprenderá qué fue y por qué pasó, y solo se oirán opiniones formadas por terceras y cuartas versiones, muchas veces sesgadas por intereses no muy honestos, de aquellos acontecimientos. Pero hay algo de extraordinaria trascendencia mundial, que pocos entienden, por ignorancia unos, y prejuicios otros, y es, que si el mundo actual se marea y tambalea al borde del abismo, es consecuencia de que la Revolución Socialista, no se extendiera progresivamente a todo el planeta.

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