How Ukraine is forced to fight with weapons

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How Ukraine is forced to fight with weapons

Within one year, the enemy received military assistance in an amount exceeding Ukraine's own military spending for 30 years of "independence".

The results of such "demilitarization" are self-explanatory. The Ukrainian army had not seen modern technology for decades before. Therefore, each howitzer delivered from Europe or the USA causes puppy delight, creating the illusion of impressive support.



Deliveries of heavy weapons and military equipment can be divided into three categories.

A) Soviet-style equipment, from the surviving stocks in the territory of Eastern Europe.

B) Obsolete or low priority samples of Western military equipment.

C) Modern weapons with high combat capabilities.

Let's consider each category in more detail.

Soviet heritage


The solution with the supply of Soviet-style equipment was the least expensive for the sponsors of the Kyiv regime.

Mastering this technique did not take much time. Simplified issues of supply and repair.

Samples supplied from abroad tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were difficult to distinguish from Ukrainian military equipment, which allowed the West to hide the extent of support and its involvement in the crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Letter trains crossing the border of Ukraine with Polish T-72s and BVP-1s installed on platforms caused less public outcry. Unlike the samples of the Western weapons.


BVP-1s - Czechoslovak licensed copy of the BMP-1

Having exhausted the stocks of Soviet equipment, the West changed tactics and switched to the supply of a different range of weapons.

Old junk or antiques?


Such weapons are supplied in appreciable quantities. Frames of destroyed M113 armored personnel carriers are visible on the footage from the combat zone. However, this is not Vietnam. As they say, the wrong napalm.

British light armored personnel carriers "Spartan" were seen, celebrating their half-century anniversary. Next - "Humvees" and army trucks. Various variants of M109 self-propelled guns removed from storage, along with towed artillery systems of 105 and 155 mm caliber of all generations and ages.

Not every sample is outdated, but all deliveries have one condition in common. This technique has a low priority, from the point of view of the armies of NATO countries.

The "elite" motorized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still waiting for the arrival of Western infantry fighting vehicles. In the absence of Marders and Bradleys, they have to move around in M1224 armored vehicles. Kyiv received over 400 units of such equipment from the stocks of the US Army.

What was the secret of Uncle Sam's generosity?

Armored trucks with turrets and mine protection are incomparable in cost and military value with heavy armored vehicles (Marder, Bradley). MRAPs are relatively cheap and produced in huge quantities. In the past decade, over 9000 M1224 type armored cars were built.

It was from this "trough" that the Ukrainian Nazis were fed.


MRAP standard vehicles have their own tactical niche and compare favorably with security. However, these armored cars are never considered as full-fledged infantry transport and combat vehicles. Something toy, like tents or non-lethal weapons. As a result, even neutral Turkey without hesitation handed over fifty vehicles of this class to the Armed Forces of Ukraine (BMC Kirpi, or in Russian - “Hedgehog”).

All the facts indicate that no one dares to supply hundreds of expensive military equipment to Ukraine.

Is the same story with super-howitzers M777. Despite the "advanced" design and the widespread use of titanium, the M777 howitzer remains a towed artillery system. And that's it.


In the US Army itself, towed artillery of this caliber is of limited use. Most of the 1000 purchased "sevens" were transferred to the marines or used to equip parts of the reservists. "Soldiers on weekends" is too expensive to use self-propelled artillery.

Unlike the American Marines, the Armed Forces cannot appreciate the main quality of the M777 - the ability to transport it on the external load of a helicopter. Why was this tool created?

In total, Ukraine received about 150 M777 units. Compare this number with the recent pledge to supply 18 Paladin self-propelled howitzers.


It becomes clear why the towed 777 was chosen for lend-lease. And how reluctant the Pentagon is to part with weapons that are of great importance to the American army.

Homeopathic remedies


Samples of Western weapons with high combat capabilities. The promised Patriot air defense system, NASAMS, Panzerhaubitze 2000. In microscopic quantities.

Last year, the range of weapons of this level supplied to Ukraine was limited to only artillery and missile systems. At the same time, some of them were delivered with reduced capabilities. For example, there is no evidence of the provision of long-range missiles (ATACMS) for the Hymars complexes.

The designation "Hymars" is used for all types of installations using 227 mm GLRMS guided projectiles. This is directly M142 HIMARS based on three-axle army trucks. Tracked M270 on an extended chassis BMP "Bradley". And all similar European modifications of MARS and LRU.

Kyiv received various types of MLRS from the very beginning of the conflict. For example, the Czech RM-70 "Vampire" - "Grad" on a new chassis, with the ability to quickly reload. But in the case of the Hymars, they do not finish the main thing. Aimed destruction of point targets was never included in the tasks of multiple launch rocket systems. Not MLRS, but tactical missile systems with six guides fell into the hands of the Nazis. Whose guided munitions have a CVO of less than 10 meters.

Fortunately, no one is in a hurry to transfer such weapons in large quantities. The combined efforts of the United States, Great Britain, Germany and France sent "about 50 units" to Ukraine on various types of chassis. Less than 5% of complexes of this class and purpose available in the west.

Tank beatalon 2023


The first move in this game was made by the French, who promised Kyiv "wheeled tanks" with a combat weight of 17 tons.

Rates immediately rose, but the ratio remained unchanged. The most powerful and modern models of armored vehicles are supposed to be supplied in quantities sufficient to form only one or two tank companies.

Everything else is far from the latest modifications of Western tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

90 Strykers and 109 Bradleys - against the background of long promises to transfer three dozen Abrams MBTs. The issue with American tanks should be resolved this year. Or next...

Europeans behave in a similar way. No one is in a hurry to tear off the most valuable thing from the chest for the sake of Zelensky's requests.

18 Leopard-2 tanks of the A6 modification of the 2001 model are offered as assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

All other promised Leopards belong to the A4 modification (level of 1985) or are generally the first generation Leopards (Leopard-1A5), which were promised in the amount of 100+ units.

The advantage of the old "Leopards" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is only one. They already have experience in operating similar equipment - Bieber bridgelayers and Gepard anti-aircraft guns using the Leopard-1 chassis.

The transfer to Ukraine of the most modern Western models, such as the German Puma infantry fighting vehicle, is beyond fantasy. The maximum for beggars from Kyiv is the supply of 40 "Marders", previously intended for the armed forces of Greece. Of course, the conversation about the supply of "Marders" arose - and again hung in the air. Run like Scholz!

The American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles delivered to Europe, for subsequent transfer to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, also belong to not the most recent modification of the M2A2 Desert Storm.

All according to the rules of the big game. Support with money and rusty weapons, with undisguised disdain for the Ukrainian Nazis.


The author of this material does not seek to become like experts who say that the supply of certain types of equipment will not matter.

Searching for and describing flaws in the technique itself also does not make much sense.

Yes, there is rust on the sides and considerable mileage. But at the same time, the Bradley M2A2 ODS has a mass of about 30 tons, which is twice as heavy as domestic infantry fighting vehicles. The machine itself has no frills in terms of weapons, the difference of 15 tons was spent on strengthening the protection. These infantry fighting vehicles are carriers of the Tou ATGM. Old, but even more dangerous due to the size of its missiles than the light hand-held Javelin.

But the fact remains. What does a hundred "Bradley" mean - against the backdrop of the scale of the NWO. In the presence of thousands of units of BMP-class equipment in service with the Russian Ground Forces.

Finale


It is alarming that the appearance of any type of Western military equipment in the NWO zone causes too much noise.

The enemy must be taken seriously. But attaching importance to every NATO gun and Leopard, justifying any mistakes made with them or creating panic from scratch - all this just looks like inadequate behavior.

Remember how much noise the arrival of Caesar self-propelled howitzers in Ukraine made last summer?

The main number of "Caesars" is by no means in Europe, and even more so - not with beggars from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The French ground forces last year had 76 CAmion Équipé d'un Système d'Artillerie (CAESAR) units. Some of them were handed over to Kyiv. All this time, more than 100 "Caesars" guard the sands of Saudi Arabia, where weapons from all over the world are traditionally collected.

The artillery unit and fire control means pose a threat at a distance of up to 40 km. But the use of "Caesar" also has limitations. Wheel formula 6x6 - instead of the tank chassis and the cross-country ability of the 40-ton Msta-S tracked platform. With three times less portable ammunition (18 instead of 50 shells in the ammo rack). In the absence of any armor protection.

A couple of years ago news about the arrival of a dozen Western guns in Ukraine would fall into the category of curiosities.

Last summer they were talked about incessantly. Many times managed to "sell" and destroy. Discussed ways to counter the French "wonder weapon".

Then, of course, everything calmed down, and the "Caesars" disappeared somewhere - after the deadly "javelins" and indestructible "bayraktars".

Time will pass - and the same thing will happen with all the Leopards and Bradleys.


Self-propelled howitzer M109A4BE. These installations were decommissioned by the Belgian army in 2008. Due to their age, they are unable to use Excalibur high-precision projectiles. A common disadvantage is the short-barreled gun (39 calibers). For comparison, modern "Caesar" and PzH 2000 use an artillery unit with a barrel length of 52 caliber.
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  1. +30
    March 26 2023
    Even I did not understand. NATO supplies Ukraine with rusty junk in miserable quantities. At the same time, we are fighting for the 14th month with regroupings. What if NATO takes it seriously ...
    1. +10
      March 26 2023
      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      Even I did not understand. NATO supplies Ukraine with rusty junk in miserable quantities. At the same time, we are fighting for the 14th month with regroupings. What if NATO takes it seriously ...

      this is not from a weapon, but from a misunderstanding of "SVO", which began like in a movie, and now like in real life. "target" in the fog. Moreover, from the other side, as it were, "for Nenko", but from ours ... we don't know. yes, against the "Natsiks" and "Benderites", and to secure the region, (it turned out to be a problem. A YEAR has passed, the shelling is still) we are losing the city, occupying the villages ... so-so SVO. Artyomovsk, the "orchestra" cleans for a long time, grinding the enemy, and yourself. (of course, you can’t get around and leave surrounded), and such a “burden” has been for 14 months already, everyone has already got used to the “civilian” as a fact, and they hardly discuss it, well ... there is a meat grinder working there somewhere, they are used to , flipping through the channels (and what to watch if it’s the same thing) they brought another 200 to the city .. 2 days on the “front end”, well, CBO is ... it happens. Something needs to be changed, the people both get tired and become indifferent. and this is fraught with consequences.
      1. +3
        March 26 2023
        In principle, about the fatigue of the population of the Russian Federation from SVO.
        She, fatigue, will gain strength starting from 2024 and her peak will be in the summer of the same year. In what way will it appear? YES HZ. The population of the country, gradually, begins to lose confidence in the Supreme authorities. There are many factors that speak to this. The main one is the growing apathy for military operations, at the everyday level.

        Let's see what the authorities will do in the near future. But, we need BIG VICTORIES at the front.
        1. 0
          April 1 2023
          What victories? Are you out of your mind? It's either deal or defeat. Be realistic! Why are you like children, by God. If for a year they could not do anything with such a potential, then right now, why would they take it?
      2. +3
        March 26 2023
        I'm afraid "to change something" in our case means another wave of mobilization. Our generals do not know how otherwise
    2. +9
      March 26 2023
      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      What if NATO takes it seriously ...

      Spit. By the way, according to NATO training manuals, tanks should be covered by aircraft. So I think they will deliver planes to the Leopards?
      1. +2
        March 26 2023
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        So I think they will deliver planes to the Leopards?

        They recently delivered kosher NATO migs from Poland and Slovakia.
        1. +5
          March 26 2023
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          They recently delivered kosher NATO migs from Poland and Slovakia.

          No, I'm not talking about these. Mig 29 is outdated. The Leopards would need something newer, like the F-16.
          1. +1
            March 26 2023
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            it would be necessary something newer, like the F-16.

            There is an option to supply the Ukrainian Air Force with 50-80 F-16 fighters from the presence of the US Armed Forces to replace the Ukrainian fleet of Soviet-made ones. This will cost the American taxpayer about $3-4 billion. And again, the timing - according to the most optimistic estimates, the delivery time will be at least 18 months at best. Eo too long. Therefore, instead of the F-16, the Americans offered Ukraine what is now of the greatest importance in the conduct of armed struggle, and precisely what can lead the Armed Forces of Ukraine to major successes this spring. These are air defense systems, ammunition for cannon and rocket artillery, HIMARS combat vehicles and ammunition for them (including increased range by 150 km), unmanned aerial vehicles, armored combat vehicles, including Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and tanks.
            1. +8
              March 26 2023
              Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
              There is an option to supply the Air Force of Ukraine

              100~200 F-16s, ~100 F-15s, ~100 F-18s from Davis-Monten Base in about 6 months, with mercenaries and vacationers to boot. This will just be an equal amount with our VKS.
              The current war is extremely beneficial to the United States and this is the only significant reason for the lack of mass arms supplies.
    3. +4
      March 26 2023
      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      Even I did not understand. NATO supplies Ukraine with rusty junk in miserable quantities. At the same time, we are fighting for the 14th month with regroupings.

      An article about the fact that "grapes are green." Especially about the accuracy of Western weapons.
    4. 0
      April 1 2023
      So their old junk turned out to be more effective.
  2. +23
    March 26 2023
    With your lips, yes, drink honey! The Armed Forces of Ukraine have big losses - I believe. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have problems with mobilization - I believe. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine already have 800-1000 thousand, and the Armed Forces of Russia at the front have (yet?) only 450-500 thousand, according to optimistic estimates. That is: a hundred thousand more APUs will lose or two hundred, from this the situation will not change much. crying

    And as for lack of motivation: to die - now no one has much enthusiasm. But in initiative, steadfastness, unwillingness to give in, with this, as this year has shown, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have no particular problems. The Ukrainian army forced itself to be respected, an unpleasant fact, but a fact. recourse
    1. +1
      March 26 2023
      In order for the Ukrainian army, to force itself to be respected, our government groans for a whole year and repeats like a mantra the idea that, ,, you can’t offend the Armed Forces of Ukraine, these are our brothers and we are fraternal peoples, How tired of this nonsense I am! People, wake up! We are no longer brothers! We are enemies! And it is necessary to take care of OUR soldiers and not, brothers, who have betrayed us for centuries.
      1. +12
        March 26 2023
        repeats like a mantra the idea that, ,, you can’t offend the Armed Forces of Ukraine, these are our brothers and we are fraternal peoples

        Nobody thinks so. They try to cover up the lack of forces and means to achieve goals that could suit the Russian side with such chatter (military defeat and liquidation of the Armed Forces, or a land corridor in Transnistria, etc.)

        We turn off their light, hit power plants purposefully, use all available types of weapons, armored vehicles, artillery, rocket launchers, missiles - up to daggers. Both against targets on the battlefield, and in the depths of the territory of Ukraine
        How tired of this nonsense!

        Are you tired of not getting results?
        1. +8
          March 26 2023
          Quote: Santa Fe
          We extinguish their light, we hit power plants purposefully,

          Forgive me, but to compare with how it was at first, when the light was given by the clock and schedule (3-5) hours a day, now this is not the case. Everything works, except for those places where the fights are going on.
          1. +5
            March 26 2023
            So the frequency of shelling has fallen
            There are not so many geraniums and rockets
        2. AUL
          +8
          March 26 2023
          Quote: Santa Fe
          We turn off their light, hit power plants purposefully, use all available types of weapons, armored vehicles, artillery, rocket launchers, missiles - up to daggers. Both against targets on the battlefield, and in the depths of the territory of Ukraine

          It's all impressive, of course! But why are the results of all this so modest?
          1. -1
            March 26 2023
            Well, if there were more missiles, the results would be more significant.
        3. +7
          March 26 2023
          We put out their light, we hit power plants purposefully
          And as a result? There is light. Even the geyropa did not freeze without gas, despite the video from Gazprom
    2. +2
      March 26 2023
      A million Armed Forces of Ukraine does not mean that the whole million is at the front, there is no need to overestimate the number. Of course, this is a good excuse for "out of too much", but you need to face the truth.
    3. 0
      April 1 2023
      On the contrary, a pleasant fact - they faced an equal opponent. On the contrary, it is a wonderful feeling when you fight with a brow who is not weaker and not stronger than you, experience and combat technique play a role here))
  3. +14
    March 26 2023
    because of such "authors" ..... urya patriots, we are stuck tightly in Ukraine.
    the second year of the positional war only says that banderlogs do not fight with stakes and stones ..... and they are already receiving new equipment .... unlike our bins of the middle of the last century .... for such analytics, for a large audience divannikov is entitled only to a person who has been or is in the trenches in Ukraine.
    Numerous "theorists" with their never-fulfilling predictions got to the point of vomiting. the Russian population has the right to the truth first hand .... from native speakers of the language of war ..... we are waiting.
    1. +10
      March 26 2023
      because of such "authors" ..... urya patriots, we are stuck tightly in Ukraine.


      They got stuck in Ukraine because of the weakness of the army

      Which cannot "digest" even such an enemy, somehow armed, with NATO equipment stubs
      banderlogs do not fight with stakes and stones ..

      what banderlogs are fighting for - the author expressed his opinion in an article, with facts and figures
      ... and new equipment is already coming to them ....

      If the Armed Forces of Ukraine had a hundred new leorards (2a7) and F-16, they would already be in Berdyansk and enter the Crimea
      1. +10
        March 26 2023
        Quote: Santa Fe
        If the Armed Forces of Ukraine had a hundred new leorards (2a7) and F-16, they would already be in Berdyansk and enter the Crimea

        So do not hesitate - they will. With our pace of defeat, weapons calmly passing through the whole extreme will definitely be.
      2. +2
        March 26 2023
        So soon the Armed Forces of Ukraine will enter the Crimea, I think everything will be fine by the summer. But then why build fortifications in the Belgorod region, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will go there too?
        1. 0
          March 26 2023
          Quote from: Alex_mech
          So soon the Armed Forces of Ukraine will enter the Crimea, I think everything will be fine by the summer. But then why build fortifications in the Belgorod region, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will go there too?

          But here I'm not sure. And I'm still not sure that the "points of entry" will not be tightly blocked when the great counteroffensive begins. They have strength at once. And then we'll see
    2. +4
      March 26 2023
      Well, the author writes what readers like. So don't blame the author. It's better to look at what you wrote a year ago.
  4. +23
    March 26 2023
    Ryabov changed his pseudonym? ))) From this the message has not changed)))
    The author seriously does not understand what is the advantage of Caesar over Msta? And the Crab is probably rusty, and in general, how can the Poles come up with something worthy? What is the advantage of three axes over D-1? In his opinion, Tornado-S is no longer MLRS but OTRK?
    A masterpiece about the M1224 - of course, moving around in it is much more dangerous than in the tented Urals or ZIL)))
    1. +10
      March 26 2023
      Quote from Tim666
      or ZIL)))

      Are they still there?
      1. +9
        March 26 2023
        Yes, including 130. Parts of the LPR/DPR
    2. +9
      March 26 2023
      What is the advantage of three axes over D-1?

      The enemy's presence of hundreds of towed NATO howitzers becomes a problem

      If you said that two years ago, everyone would laugh at you
      A masterpiece about the M1224 - of course, moving around in it is much more dangerous than in the tented Urals or ZIL)))

      And if the enemy moved on Strikers and Bradleys in quantities of hundreds of units?

      Like real NATO armies
    3. +8
      March 26 2023
      Quote from Tim666
      Ryabov changed his pseudonym?


      In no case. Kaptsov is adequate.
      1. +17
        March 26 2023
        Still, Oleg turns out to be more interesting about ships, and this, as many comrades here have already noticed, is Ryabov’s patrimony rather - “the weapon is old, there are few of them and will not have an impact on the course of hostilities.” Why, then, we haven’t been able to smash this rubbish for more than a year and put old ship anti-aircraft guns on motorcycle leagues ..
        1. +23
          March 26 2023
          Why, then, we haven’t been able to smash this rubbish for more than a year and put old ship anti-aircraft guns on motorcycle leagues ..

          The answer is I think everyone understands why. And there's no point in taking it apart

          When I wrote about modern ships, there always arose a paradox of how they were going to fight with 1 ship against 100 of the same class in the west. Well, really, just compare the numbers and facts. Against the backdrop of calls, we can repeat. I thought this waste - a smoke screen, while they are sawing money. But it turned out they were really preparing for the war. Schizophrenics?

          If they did not prepare for hostilities of this magnitude, hoping to cope with 40 million countries alone, thinking to themselves that there is no army, then schizophrenics are doubly

          I thought there were no ships, at least there were ground forces. There must clearly be an advantage there, no matter what. Such weakness that was revealed, of course, surprised even the most skeptics
          1. +11
            March 26 2023
            Quote: Santa Fe
            If they did not prepare for hostilities of this magnitude, hoping to cope with 40 million countries alone, thinking to themselves that there is no army, then schizophrenics are doubly

            Do you remember the morning of February 24.02.22, XNUMX? There, of course, they created the appearance of collective responsibility - everyone was gathered and asked "are you ready?" So after all, only one Naryshkin stuttered and his hands were shaking like Yanaev in the State Emergency Committee. He KNEW the truth, and the rest waved their checkers. But which one of them cares?
            1. +11
              March 26 2023
              Naryshkin recalled an old army joke:
              Before the army, I slept well, because I knew that they were guarding me.
              I slept badly in the army - because I guarded myself.
              After the army, I don’t sleep at all - because I know how they guard.
              Replace army with intelligence.
          2. +8
            March 26 2023
            Quote: Santa Fe
            At least there are ground forces. There must clearly be an advantage there, no matter what. Such weakness that was revealed, of course, surprised even the most skeptics

            Shoigu was actively engaged in PR. The main content of the activities of the Armed Forces was the holding of military-patriotic and military-sports events. The admission of the press to military installations, exercises and maneuvers has been seriously revised and limited. In combination with a sharp tightening of the regime for disseminating information about the activities of the Armed Forces as a whole, this approach has yielded results, effectively removing the discussion about the state of the country's military machine from public space.
            1. +8
              March 26 2023
              Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
              Shoigu was actively engaged in PR. The main content of the activities of the Armed Forces was the holding of military-patriotic and military-sports events.

              Shoigu created the Ministry of Emergency Situations from the army. With the same ostentation characteristic of her.
          3. +2
            March 26 2023
            Quote: Santa Fe
            Why, then, we haven’t been able to smash this rubbish for more than a year and put old ship anti-aircraft guns on motorcycle leagues ..

            The answer is I think everyone understands why. And there's no point in taking it apart

            When I wrote about modern ships, there always arose a paradox of how they were going to fight with 1 ship against 100 of the same class in the west. Well, really, just compare the numbers and facts. Against the backdrop of calls, we can repeat. I thought this waste - a smoke screen, while they are sawing money. But it turned out they were really preparing for the war. Schizophrenics?

            If they did not prepare for hostilities of this magnitude, hoping to cope with 40 million countries alone, thinking to themselves that there is no army, then schizophrenics are doubly

            I thought there were no ships, at least there were ground forces. There must clearly be an advantage there, no matter what. Such weakness that was revealed, of course, surprised even the most skeptics

            The most surprising thing about this schizophrenia is the regularly announced “campaigns against Warsaw”, “partitions of Poland with the Baltic states” and other waving of checkers, and all this against the backdrop of Avdiivka, which they cannot take for a year. Either they really believe in it themselves, which, to put it mildly, smells of a white ticket, or they are fooling the people, which of course is understandable, but it can end even sadder
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  5. +10
    March 26 2023
    The performance data is excellent. But our "unparalleled in the world" against obsolete scrap, as the author writes, does not allow anything particularly successful to attack.
    Not every sample is outdated, but all deliveries have one condition in common. This technique has a low priority from the point of view of the armies of NATO countries.

    Interesting, how would you describe the priority of the T-62 "... from the point of view of the country's army" Russia?
    Rates immediately rose, but the ratio remained unchanged. The most powerful and modern models of armored vehicles are supposed to be supplied in quantities sufficient to form only one or two tank companies.

    Does the application of this analysis to the T-90 tell you anything?
    1. +9
      March 26 2023
      Interesting, how would you describe the priority of the T-62 "... from the point of view of the country's army" Russia?

      No priority, it's a forced measure

      The capabilities of such equipment are still enough to fight the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      The use of the T-62, due to the lack of modern tanks, in a hypothetical "war on NATO" would have the most serious consequences.
      1. -1
        March 26 2023
        Quote: Santa Fe
        The capabilities of such equipment are still enough to fight the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        No, you better write about armor on ships, it comes out funnier.
      2. 0
        March 26 2023
        No priority, it's a forced measure

        The capabilities of such equipment are still enough to fight the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        And what, the equipment supplied to Ukraine does not meet your criteria
        The capabilities of such equipment are still enough to fight with ... ???
  6. +13
    March 26 2023
    The author strongly criticized the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Everything they have is old, not enough at all, etc.
    So why do we send half a century old tanks to the front?
    Why is this front frozen, for now.
    And everywhere they talk about the upcoming offensive ukrov, but not the Russian Federation?
  7. 0
    March 26 2023
    Today in Ukraine, indeed, as they say, every creature is a pair. What you just don’t see, even what you haven’t heard of, and here you can agree with the author.
  8. +9
    March 26 2023
    The topic of drones, communications, reconnaissance, air defense and electronic warfare has not been disclosed.

    In 1941, the German army had light and medium tanks, for the most part not much superior to the Soviet ones. And in terms of heavy tanks, it was catastrophically inferior. But, having superiority in communications and intelligence, coordination of different types of troops, the Germans achieved very significant success.
    1. +9
      March 26 2023
      Drone theme

      Gray Needles and other heavy attack drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not been supplied by anyone and are not going to

      The enemy never had long-range cruise missiles, their Calibers and Iskanders
      Defense

      Stingers and old SiSparrows for Ukrainian Buk air defense systems that have used up standard ammunition

      Some kind of Slovenia or Slovakia handed over the C300

      From modern NATO - 1 (one) NASAMS complex

      Patriots were promised 3 batteries, but so far no one has seen them
      EW

      Hello to everyone who admired Krasukha and Avtobaza, here a year ago many firmly believed that they would extinguish everything and land all UAVs over half of Europe. Nobody even remembers those names anymore.
      communications, intelligence

      And where are our analogues
      20 years of preparation for
      1. +4
        March 26 2023
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Gray Needles and other heavy attack drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not been supplied by anyone and are not going to

        "If you want to ruin a small state, give it a battleship."
        Maybe we have another cunning plan?
        "If you want to ruin Europe, give it Ukraine"
      2. +4
        March 26 2023
        From modern NATO - 1 (one) NASAMS complex

        Patriots were promised 3 batteries, but so far no one has seen them
        1. Nasams is not alone anymore, there is a video with desert camouflage. 2. Patriots were promised two batteries + SAMPT
  9. +6
    March 26 2023
    Somehow the statement in the Pentagon went unnoticed that they would maintain the number of Himars in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Those. there will always be 30 pcs. American.
    1. +5
      March 26 2023
      they will maintain the number of Himars in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Those. there will always be 30 pcs. American.

      There are 400 of them in service with the United States
  10. +15
    March 26 2023
    On the other hand, conversations from the category we will pull this NATO to the most have subsided. In addition to individual units, it turns out that not all of us are hurt.
    1. +8
      March 26 2023
      But conversations from the category have subsided, we will pull this NATO to the very

      If we nevertheless get out of all this, then the vaccination for society will be excellent. Sober up for many years to come

      Nobody will be impressed with parades and promises later, you will have to really build the economy in the country and invest in development. A strong army will be the inevitable consequence of a strong economy. All will be!
      1. +9
        March 26 2023
        Quote: Santa Fe
        If we nevertheless get out of all this, then the vaccination for society will be excellent. Sober up for many years to come
        Yes, schuzzz ... There are still degenerates who in the comments trynd about all-weapons and cissists. And this is not for money, but "from the heart", out of general stupidity. And if moronic optimism can be monetized (for example: let's open a shopping center on the territory of an enterprise that produces ammunition, money will come to us, and we have a large military-industrial complex, it will pull it out if something happens), then no vaccinations will help.
    2. 0
      April 1 2023
      I can't wait for the coming. What will be the interesting result?
  11. +9
    March 26 2023
    The author should be more specific than politics. The term "Nazis" is not appropriate at all. If there were still nationalists, then it didn’t go anywhere. But political literacy seems to have become unnecessary.
    1. +5
      March 26 2023
      Well, people like to associate themselves with the Red Army, and the enemy with the Wehrmacht.
      1. +1
        March 26 2023
        Quote from: Alex_mech
        enemy with the Wehrmacht.

        No one flatters the Armed Forces of Ukraine like Russian patriots.

        No, the APU is not the strongest land army of its time. It seems like it should be obvious.
        1. +4
          March 26 2023
          Well, if a year ago the Russian army was considered the strongest land army, but it cannot cope with the Ukrainian one and retreats ... Then ...
  12. +5
    March 26 2023
    Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
    What if NATO takes it seriously ...

    Then we read Sergey Anisimov "Abrams in Khimki".
    1. +1
      March 26 2023
      Quote: Private SA
      Then we read Sergey Anisimov "Abrams in Khimki".

      Somehow I'm not even sure in such a scenario, especially in the result.
  13. +7
    March 26 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    But conversations from the category have subsided, we will pull this NATO to the very

    If we nevertheless get out of all this, then the vaccination for society will be excellent. Sober up for many years to come

    Nobody will be impressed with parades and promises later, you will have to really build the economy in the country and invest in development. A strong army will be the inevitable consequence of a strong economy. All will be!

    If
  14. +5
    March 26 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    What is the advantage of three axes over D-1?

    The enemy's presence of hundreds of towed NATO howitzers becomes a problem

    If you said that two years ago, everyone would laugh at you
    A masterpiece about the M1224 - of course, moving around in it is much more dangerous than in the tented Urals or ZIL)))

    And if the enemy moved on Strikers and Bradleys in quantities of hundreds of units?

    Like real NATO armies

    If this hundred howitzers shoot almost everything you have in range and the SLA allows you to conduct counter-battery combat very effectively, then yes, this is a problem.
    NATO members do not constantly move on Strikers and Bradleys, they ride around Syria on mraps and humvees. In a war, you not only need to go on the attack, you need transport to get to the LBS, leave the LBS, move in the near rear and all vehicles must be armored, in war personnel should not ride in UAZs and tented Urals, so the M1224 is a very useful technique.
    1. +3
      March 26 2023
      If this hundred howitzers shoot almost everything you have in range

      So they built an army for 20 years

      If, in the end, a hundred Western howitzers cope with it
      NATO members do not constantly move on Strikers and Bradleys

      NATO has heavy divisions, that's what we're talking about

      The dill has nothing like a heavy breakthrough division with a couple of hundred 30-ton Bradleys yet. The main means of transportation even for elite units of the Armed Forces is wheeled MRAPs
      1. 0
        March 26 2023
        Not far away, several hundred officially shipped bradleys in Poland. With abrams and other trifles. So they will scrape for 1-2 divisions.
        The question is different - we and the Ukrainians are fighting exclusively as a warm-up for the NATO/China fight. Therefore, the victory of the Ukrainians in NATO plans is several times less than the victory of Russia.
        1. +2
          March 26 2023
          If it were so, then it would be enough not to transfer weapons and not to train people.
    2. +2
      March 26 2023
      Quote from Tim666
      If this hundred howitzers shoot almost everything you have in range and the SLA allows you to conduct counter-battery combat very effectively, then yes, this is a problem

      For counter-battery combat, longer-range and "smart" self-propelled guns with a 52klb barrel are better. And the towed artillery provides a plan for the shaft, so to speak, this is also necessary. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not yet able to fight with 100% high-precision, they are not given so much high-precision.
  15. +5
    March 26 2023
    It is alarming that the appearance of any type of Western military equipment in the NVO zone provokes too much noise.

    The author, let's tell us how things are with our weapons, about the latest T-55 and T-62 tanks at the front, otherwise they have bad 72 modernized and 777, but we have everything modern
    1. 0
      March 26 2023
      We don’t have T-55s at the front, nor T-54s. T-62 in limited quantities and in a secondary direction. I personally saw a lot of t-90/72, not a single 62/80.
  16. +8
    March 26 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    Drone theme

    Gray Needles and other heavy attack drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not been supplied by anyone and are not going to

    The enemy never had long-range cruise missiles, their Calibers and Iskanders
    Defense

    Stingers and old SiSparrows for Ukrainian Buk air defense systems that have used up standard ammunition

    Some kind of Slovenia or Slovakia handed over the C300

    From modern NATO - 1 (one) NASAMS complex

    Patriots were promised 3 batteries, but so far no one has seen them
    EW

    Hello to everyone who admired Krasukha and Avtobaza, here a year ago many firmly believed that they would extinguish everything and land all UAVs over half of Europe. Nobody even remembers those names anymore.
    communications, intelligence

    And where are our analogues
    20 years of preparation for

    Iskander is not a cruise missile, but a ballistic missile, actually, by the way, Ukraine had Elbrus OTRK, but fortunately the Russian Federation cut them.
    Well, those who are very weak in physics and those who turned off the SU-24 Donald Cook believed)))
    Ukraine had a lot of its own S-300s, but most of the early versions.
    You forget the main thing, Ukraine has quite modern communications and a control system, otherwise their gunners would not have answered within a couple of minutes. The Wehrmacht reached Moscow and Stalingrad not due to the best technology, but due to better organization and management
    1. +2
      March 26 2023
      You forget the main thing, Ukraine has quite a modern communication and control system

      Control system for what? Hundreds of towed howitzers?

      Worthless to all control and communications, if there is nothing to shoot from

      And what kind of army was built in our country if it is stopped with such a set of weapons
      The Wehrmacht reached Moscow and Stalingrad not due to the best technology, but due to better organization and management

      Incl. through the best technology. and quantity

      180 divisions were not armed with sticks.
    2. +1
      March 26 2023
      The Germans reached the Volga due to the best combination of observation - communications - artillery - logistics (motorization). Aviation and tanks development / attack strengthening.
      Well, no one has canceled the topic of betrayal of the generals.
    3. +2
      March 26 2023
      Quote from Tim666
      Iskander is not a cruise but a ballistic missile,

      Hmm ... With such pathos to argue, not knowing the basic things. Iskander uses a quasi-ballistic (9M723) and a cruise missile (R-500). So completely by, like the rest of the text.
  17. +3
    March 26 2023
    Quote from moneron
    because of such "authors" ..... urya patriots, we are stuck tightly in Ukraine.

  18. 0
    March 26 2023
    BMC Kirpi or in Russian - "Hedgehog"

    In the Tatar language, the hedgehog is called kerpe. In the modern Bashkir language, the meaning of the ancient Turkic Kirpi has undergone a change: terpe.
  19. +5
    March 26 2023
    SAM "Patriot", NASAMS, Panzerhaubitze 2000 - in microscopic quantities
    There are enough microscopic quantities that the aerospace ones were afraid to fly beyond the front line.
  20. +8
    March 26 2023
    It's strange, is it possible that Comrade Ryabov was on vacation with the topic "small / bad / inopportune weapons" taken by another author?
  21. +5
    March 26 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    You forget the main thing, Ukraine has quite a modern communication and control system

    Control system for what? Hundreds of towed howitzers?

    Worthless to all control and communications, if there is nothing to shoot from

    And what kind of army was built in our country if it is stopped with such a set of weapons
    The Wehrmacht reached Moscow and Stalingrad not due to the best technology, but due to better organization and management

    Incl. through the best technology. and quantity

    180 divisions were not armed with sticks.

    Firstly, Ukraine is armed with more than a hundred towed howitzers, the same Soviet models are fighting on the one and the other side, the sets of weapons are plus or minus the same, the main problem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that got out after a couple of months is the lack of Soviet-style shells. But 100 M777 is a very useful acquisition when you have online, on the enemy’s sighting fire, from satellites, from drones, from counter-battery radars, information comes to the tablet integrated into the howitzer and you just have to turn the aiming flywheels and pull the cord for the opposite hand is an unpleasant surprise. And 155mm self-propelled howitzers with 52klb barrels are also beyond the reach of Russian artillery.
    No one talks about the fact that the Wehrmacht was armed with sticks, but there were no supermega wunderwaffles in service with the Germans in 1941, the same thing in terms of characteristics for 1941 is far from an outstanding aircraft, only the Germans ordered the strike of pieces from a trench on the front line, but the Red Army did not dreamed of calling pe-2. Tank counterattacks near Brody showed what better control is, when the Germans, four times inferior to the Red Army in armored vehicles, defeated the Soviet mechanized corps.
    1. +1
      March 27 2023
      The course of your reasoning Tim666 is clear

      Here in another question
      sets of weapons plus or minus the same,

      Just a year ago, no one would have believed it.

      That we have the same forces and weapons with Ukraine. How can this even be
      And if they were given 100 and 200 modern howitzers?

      This is the whole paradox and indignation
      but there were no supermega wunderwaffles in service with the Germans in 1941, the same thing in terms of characteristics for 1941 is far from an outstanding aircraft

      The Germans had simply combat-ready equipment for their time, with an accurately calculated combination of performance characteristics

      What we did not have in 41 years.

      And a vivid example is just this thing or its partner Yu-88, which stood out with just one parameter, which represented a value only in the case of the Lutwaffe
  22. +5
    March 26 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    But conversations from the category have subsided, we will pull this NATO to the very

    If we nevertheless get out of all this, then the vaccination for society will be excellent. Sober up for many years to come

    Nobody will be impressed with parades and promises later, you will have to really build the economy in the country and invest in development. A strong army will be the inevitable consequence of a strong economy. All will be!

    1904 - we throw icons with macaques
    1913 - slogan in newspapers - Russia is ready for war.
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  24. +1
    March 26 2023
    In fact, two sides seriously erred in this war:

    1) we wanted to "take Kyiv" in a week, hence all the nonsense with the number of personnel, equipment, planning and conduct of military operations. Did not work out.

    2) the Americans assumed that we would "seize Ukraine in a week" and therefore prepared them not for full-fledged military operations, but for a guerrilla war with us. The desire to arrange a "second Afghanistan" for us, with our inevitable losses and subsequent shameful departure a la the flight of amers from Kabul. With inevitable image losses and a possible threat to the very existence of the power vertical of the Russian Federation. Hence the pumping of exceptionally light weapons
    - Stingers / Javelins (because it was assumed that we would get heavy weapons), and the corresponding training of troops. It didn’t work out either, you have to rebuild on the go.

    This may explain various absurdities and actions on both sides of the war. In particular, our unwillingness to capture vast territories and the desire for the maximum "grinding" of the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As well as a strategy to "squeeze out" the population of Ukraine abroad, creating unbearable living conditions.

    It is also understandable why the Americans and gay Europeans do not seek to supply the latest weapons: they need to bleed us as much as possible, but not provoke the use of nuclear weapons on our part. Any, even limited, nuclear war will lead to the destruction of the industrial potential of Europe (in the United States it is still only a "shadow" of the past) and the destruction of the international financial system. This will lead in the presence of developed China, India, etc. to the complete degradation of the United States and the Western bloc and the loss of their position. They will no longer be able to rise: if Western currencies, including the dollar and the euro, turn into worthless "pieces of paper", then in the absence of an industrial base, what will they be able to offer the rest? Sell ​​the remaining technology for next to nothing???

    There are a lot of questions.
    1. +2
      March 29 2023
      When I read certain things, I am always amazed. Some people talk about nuclear bombs like they're glycerin candles. You talk about the use of nuclear bombs and think about the collapse of the dollar and the economy. What makes you think that something will stand up later? Everyone on the site who calls for the use of nuclear weapons thinks that they are Artyoms from the book "Metro 2033" by Dmitry Glukhovsky.
  25. +1
    March 26 2023
    Quote from cold wind
    Quote from Tim666
    Iskander is not a cruise but a ballistic missile,

    Hmm ... With such pathos to argue, not knowing the basic things. Iskander uses a quasi-ballistic (9M723) and a cruise missile (R-500). So completely by, like the rest of the text.

    I don’t argue about Iskander-K somehow I forgot, and it seems that they didn’t use the R-500 in the SVO, but what else can you explain by pliz?
  26. Eug
    +1
    March 26 2023
    As for me, the supply of certain types of weapons was not advertised at all. And much more dangerous than hardware are information support, communications and operational management ..
    1. +1
      March 26 2023
      the supply of certain types of weapons was not advertised at all.

      For example?

      Dill was secretly supplied with an aircraft carrier with tomahawks
      And much more dangerous than hardware are information support, communications and operational management ..

      War is not bond 007

      Operational control of guns and tanks,
      Without guns and tanks, these are all words and ridiculous excuses
  27. +1
    March 26 2023
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote from Tim666
    or ZIL)))

    Are they still there?

    They shone in vidos, but what will become of them in storage? After five years of inactivity, I started a Zhiguli without conservation, and with minimal conservation it will go as long as there is fuel.
  28. 0
    March 27 2023
    I noticed only one thing in the article. The supply of weapons to the APU is increasing, the APU fleet is becoming more modern. At the same time, the West is not particularly tense, there is a potential to increase supplies. Vsu grow in the number of hp. But we are not far behind either. We grind the lion's share of aid. There will be another partial mobilization soon. We're on an equal footing for now. Eh, we would have a sponsor with weapons ...
  29. 0
    March 27 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    the supply of certain types of weapons was not advertised at all.

    For example?

    Dill was secretly supplied with an aircraft carrier with tomahawks
    And much more dangerous than hardware are information support, communications and operational management ..

    War is not bond 007

    Operational control of guns and tanks,
    Without guns and tanks, these are all words and ridiculous excuses

    Where do you think the Ukrainian tanks and guns went?
    1. +1
      March 27 2023
      Where do you think the Ukrainian tanks and guns went?

      Partially lost during the year of hostilities, the rest are in service

      The Armed Forces of Ukraine seemed to have only a few hundred tanks by the beginning of the war. Common data:

      in 2014 year tank troops were armed with 620-680 tanks, as well as armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and other equipment[189]. According to other sources, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 616 T-64 vehicles of various modifications, 85 Bulat tanks and, presumably, 10 T-84 Oplot tanks (which are under military trials)

      With that attitude towards the army in the post-Soviet countries, out of 700 supposedly in service, half were actually on the move.

      For the same reason that Russia did not have "thousands" of tanks and the idea suddenly arose with the advent of the T-62M, bypassing the seemingly newer T-72. (in fact, these T-62s of the southern military district, which were in service until 2008, i.e., until recently they were actively used and were on the move, unlike the "thousands" in service and in storage 72x)

      They didn’t have forever young T62, so they are waiting for a hundred leopards of any generation

      As for our and Ukrainian tanks “in storage”, nothing has remained of them for 30+ years of such storage. An example with the sudden appearance of the T-62 once again confirmed this
  30. 0
    March 28 2023
    Quote: Santa Fe
    Where do you think the Ukrainian tanks and guns went?

    Partially lost during the year of hostilities, the rest are in service

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine seemed to have only a few hundred tanks by the beginning of the war. Common data:

    in 2014 year tank troops were armed with 620-680 tanks, as well as armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and other equipment[189]. According to other sources, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 616 T-64 vehicles of various modifications, 85 Bulat tanks and, presumably, 10 T-84 Oplot tanks (which are under military trials)

    With that attitude towards the army in the post-Soviet countries, out of 700 supposedly in service, half were actually on the move.

    For the same reason that Russia did not have "thousands" of tanks and the idea suddenly arose with the advent of the T-62M, bypassing the seemingly newer T-72. (in fact, these T-62s of the southern military district, which were in service until 2008, i.e., until recently they were actively used and were on the move, unlike the "thousands" in service and in storage 72x)

    They didn’t have forever young T62, so they are waiting for a hundred leopards of any generation

    As for our and Ukrainian tanks “in storage”, nothing has remained of them for 30+ years of such storage. An example with the sudden appearance of the T-62 once again confirmed this

    Data on the number of armored vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine varies, according to some reports, at the beginning of the SVO they had about 1500 vehicles in service and a program was launched to restore and modernize the T-64 from storage. They come across T-80s in their commercials, and with a thermal imager.
  31. +1
    March 29 2023
    Unfortunately, the author is overly optimistic. But, oddly enough, this optimism is only depressing. Especially about "5%". And what will happen when the West uses the remaining 95%?

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