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The bankruptcy of Kharkov "Malyshev Plant": who benefits?

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At the beginning of November of this year, the Ukrainian courts launched the bankruptcy procedure of the enterprise, which is one of the largest manufacturers of military equipment in the entire CIS - the Kharkov Malyshev Plant. According to experts, there are several explanations for such actions. First, it makes sense to say that Ukraine has decided to withdraw strategic enterprises from under direct state control. Secondly, it is also possible to say that the concern “Ukroboronprom”, to which this enterprise belongs, is trying in this way to solve its financial problems. If there is a second version, then the claim of the contractor of the Plant named after Malyshev, which is the Lviv armored plant, and which the company owes about 75 million dollars, can be considered just an excuse to start the bankruptcy procedure. How events will develop in the future is not yet completely clear. According to some experts, the plant will be transferred to a private owner, and according to another part, the privatization procedure is impossible due to certain objective reasons.

The first version is partly confirmed by some Ukrainian print media, which cite the words of Petro Poroshenko (Minister of Economic Development and Trade) as evidence of the viability of this version, who announced a month ago that defense industry enterprises should be privatized. Among these enterprises, the minister named the “Malyshev Plant”.

However, such an initiative was not supported by the government. So, according to security expert Alexei Izhak, the debt to the Lviv enterprise does exist, but you can’t say with a great deal of confidence about the time of its occurrence. This enterprise only carried out repair work and modernization tanksHowever, the main executor was the Kharkov plant. At the same time, the Malyshev factory does not receive any significant dividends from the export of military equipment. The last large-scale contract that the company carried out was the supply of tanks to Pakistan in the 90s. The main order is currently reduced to the modernization of Bulat tanks for the Ukrainian army, as well as the supply of engine parts for China, Pakistan and Egypt. Deliveries of the BTR-4 to Iraq were carried out until recently by the Morozov Design Bureau, and preparation for the serial production of this equipment at the Kharkov plant was carried out only this year. In addition, certain problems exist in terms of deliveries of Oplot to Thailand, which are associated, first of all, with the fact that the enterprise does not have enough capacity for serial production of equipment.

All these financial problems, according to A.Izhak, led to the concern “Ukroboronprom” attempting to carry out a law on writing off the debts of defense enterprises, but this initiative did not find support. Concern, as the expert notes, last year earned more than 1,5 billion dollars, thus, it could solve the problems of unprofitable enterprises on their own. At the same time, in 2012, several laws were passed on debt cancellation, as well as on the provision of benefits and subsidies, including the Kharkov plant. These funds were used to pay off wage arrears. But to prepare the mass production of tanks "Oplot" money is not enough. But the prospects for the plant in this direction are very good - a contract was signed for the supply of these tanks to Thailand, in addition, the contract for the delivery of Iraqi BTR-4 to Iraq was extended. The order book of the Malyshev plant is currently estimated at 3 billion hryvnia (about 370 million dollars). And only the lack of money slows down the whole process.

Alexey Izhak also noted that for the period of the newest stories plant bankruptcy proceedings started for the seventh time. Therefore, it is safe to say that the Ukrainian government will not allow privatization to be carried out for a penny, and all the more so that the plant will be sold in parts in the future. This company is too important for Ukraine. At present, a state ban on privatization is being maintained with respect to the Kharkov plant. The norms of the current legislation suggest that during the bankruptcy procedure, the company cannot apply the liquidation or rehabilitation procedures. In addition, the concern "Ukroboronprom" announced that it intends to ensure the break-even point of the enterprise in 2013. Thus, the whole bankruptcy procedure looks like a way to restore the solvency of the plant.

Privatization of defense industry enterprises is quite common in world practice, and there is nothing terrible or reprehensible in this. But as for the plant named after Malyshev, then, according to Izhak, there is no talk about this yet. All efforts are aimed at improving the financial situation of the company, and the bankruptcy procedure was chosen as a tool only because neither the state nor the group currently has the necessary funds to pay off debts.

Similar allegations can be heard from the mouth of a military expert, former military man Alexander Manachinsky, who is convinced that the whole problem arose due to insufficient state control and funding. He is extremely negative about the process of privatization of defense enterprises, saying that currently there is not a single private defense enterprise in the country that could demonstrate great success. The expert cites as examples the Nikolaev shipyards, which were privatized, but instead of development, they gradually fall into decay.

Regarding bankruptcy procedures - a retired colonel says that due to the presence of significant contracts for the export of equipment, this situation does not look very convincing, because the company is a state enterprise and in the case of fulfillment of obligations under contracts it should be profitable. Therefore, Manachinsky is convinced that defense industry enterprises, especially such a powerful enterprise as the Kharkov Malyshev Plant, should have the support of the state. This not only has a great impact directly on the status of the state, but is an indicator of its real economic opportunities and can affect the development of partnerships.

It is necessary to say a few words about the fact that businessmen are extremely interested in the privatization of the Kharkov defense enterprise. As you know, the Minister Poroshenko controls the enterprise "Leninskaya smithy", which produces military boats. But Poroshenko is not the only entrepreneur who will qualify for the Kharkov plant. It is even possible the emergence of external investors.

"Plant named after Malyshev", in addition to the production of a large range of military equipment, including tanks T-84 "Oplot", BTR-4, BTR-3, "Dozor-B", is also engaged in the production of equipment for oil and gas and coal mining, transport and heavy products mechanical engineering. This is what makes the company attractive in the eyes of potential investors and Ukrainian oligarchs.

However, even if a part of the capacity of the Malyshev Plant will be reoriented towards the production of non-military value, this is far from the main problem. Increasing the range of products by increasing production volumes and focusing on the production of peaceful goods is a very common practice, which only contributes to improving the efficiency of the enterprise. But this happens only if the company is under state control. If it is transferred into private ownership, you should not think that this enterprise will immediately bring profit, will actively develop and increase production efficiency. First of all, in order to pay off debts, serious cash injections will be required, then to modernize production, to provide new jobs and to conclude new contracts. Thus, in the end, it may turn out that the company, which was in the process of bankruptcy, after transfer to private ownership, will become even less efficient.

At the same time, one cannot say that private entrepreneurship will not be able to organize the effective work of defense enterprises. There are many examples of how defense enterprises transferred to private hands function successfully. Unfortunately, almost all of these enterprises are Western: the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, the American Chrysler Group LLC, the British BAE Systems plc, the French concern GIAT Industries. All these enterprises produce high-quality equipment, having an established network of suppliers and interacting with government agencies. But do not forget that the economy of the countries in which these enterprises are located is developing in a healthy market, which in Ukraine does not exist. Moreover, when it appears and begins to develop is unknown.

Thus, at present, there are two ways to solve the problem for the Malyshev Plant. If the concern "Ukroboronprom" is able to solve all the financial problems of the enterprise and to establish the mass production of military equipment, this will enable the plant to have great prospects for further development and conclusion of new contracts. If the enterprise is privatized, its development will depend on the effectiveness of financial recovery and the establishment of mass production of the BTR-4 and Oplot tanks. But at the same time, privatization will cause the need for legislative changes and lead to the restructuring of Ukroboronprom.

Materials used:
http://www.politcom.ru/14832.html
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/13221
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  1. L. konstantin
    L. konstantin 26 November 2012 08: 30
    +16
    stupid question? here I look at the tank and I feel sorry for him as a man!
    1. borisst64
      borisst64 26 November 2012 09: 19
      +7
      No spectacle is sadder than a rusty tank.
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 26 November 2012 18: 25
        +10
        Quote: borisst64
        No spectacle is sadder than a rusty tank.

        I will supplement you:

        It’s better to bankrupt a Jewish bank,
        How to see our Soviet Tank rusty!
        So we will revive our tank factory,
        Plugging a grenade, Zionist greedy mouth !!!
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 27 November 2012 15: 57
          +1
          Everything is so, everything is so unfortunately
    2. crazyrom
      crazyrom 26 November 2012 15: 58
      +4
      In the world of 70 percent of people, they deserve less pity than this tank ...
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 27 November 2012 13: 51
      0
      beneficial to those who destroyed the USSR
  2. donchepano
    donchepano 26 November 2012 08: 40
    +2
    Committee of 300 and their Anglo-Saxon puppets
  3. rennim
    rennim 26 November 2012 09: 16
    +25
    They said so many times .... The transfer of the largest state-owned enterprises to private hands means only its final collapse. They are bought up ... pumped out money on the remains of production capacities and thrown away. He himself worked at one of the RAO UES enterprises. Chubais liquidated RAO by transferring it to private hands ... And where are these enterprises? ... The most liquid ones survive ... Depreciation of equipment is 90%. What can I say ... everyone remembers Sayano-Shushenskaya.
    Especially in the Russian Federation and Ukraine it is impossible to put up defense enterprises for sale ... everything is pr ... ut!
    1. Lucky
      Lucky 26 November 2012 11: 26
      +1
      I think the point here is to write off debts!
    2. crazyrom
      crazyrom 26 November 2012 15: 59
      +2
      Maybe they are like our Izhmash, they are trying to re-launch?
      1. Jeglov
        Jeglov 26 November 2012 17: 29
        +7
        necessarily "go bankrupt"! As for, "start" - they will definitely start ... bolts and nuts for 16K20 will sharpen! I remember talking with the head of the machine shop of a machine-building enterprise (private, of course - more precisely, now private and earlier state). In short, it was like this, an order was received to perform work with high precision machining of parts. The work could be done on CNC machines (numerical control). Such machines have existed since the 80s (thanks to the “stupid scoop” in which they did not spare money for equipment), but since the 90s they have been mothballed - there are no orders or specialists. By virtue of my profession (a lawyer), I was far from the intricacies of the current machine-building branch (I must say I had to delve into this matter personally, although it was difficult for the "humanities"). And so I asked the most naive (as I understand the question now): “Dear shop manager! Why not use such valuable machines? Why not educate people to work for them? Take orders…. What profit would be !? ". He looked at me like I was an idiot and replied: “Why the heck is it necessary! What will I pay people to these! How to close the outfits? People work on a "deal" (piecework wages) - what they sharpened, they earned! Where can I get orders for these machines? " The following answer shocked me "BETTER LET THEY BOLTS AND NUTS CHECK (low-skilled work, which can be handled even by a 2-3 grade turner) - this is how the profit will be and the salary." And now, almost everywhere at machine-building enterprises, such a situation (somewhere more, somewhere less). It is more profitable for a private trader to “SHARP BOLTS AND NUTS” and kill equipment that he didn’t buy anyway for his “hard-earned money” than to modernize production, hire and train qualified specialists.
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 27 November 2012 09: 37
          0
          Quote: Jeglov
          it’s more profitable to “sharpen bolts and nuts” and kill equipment that he didn’t buy for his “blood” anyway, than to modernize production, hire and train qualified specialists.



          nano bolts and nano nuts
    3. not good
      not good 28 November 2012 18: 42
      0
      Even the Bolshevik government, led by Lenin, said, accepting the NEP, that large-scale industrial production should be only state-owned, medium-sized can be shared with private owners, and small-scale as you like. It seems like no one in the governments of the USSR and Russia read the classic books. Amoglib tensed because the Chinese now have the same NEP.
  4. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 26 November 2012 09: 44
    +15
    Pan Poroshenko, the servant of all masters, the "chocolate" king and the manufacturer of the "cattle" buses, the lover of bankruptcy and cheap buy-up of enterprises that lay golden eggs for him, is right. Not everything has been stolen yet. Bankrupt. Only who will get it? The biggest bankrupt in Ukraine is the government. Bankrupt all state for the prosperity of their loved ones. And how they go bankrupt. They revive enterprises at the expense of the state and ... the enterprise is already in private (their) hands. An illustrative example. Citizen Akhmetov, with his iron ore concentrate sales business, is already cramped, or rather shallowly, in Ukrainian ports for bulk carriers with a displacement of 150.000 tons or more. Additional loading on the outer roadstead from lighters. The Yuzhny port will be deepened to a draft of 18 meters at the berths working for Akhmetov for the state. score. They will deepen and the entire port will become Akhmetov's property. And these are no longer rumors. All ports are shared. In all ports there are "watching" dark captors. Only air is not privatized in Ukraine. But they will develop individual meters and we will pay for the amount consumed and the amount exhaled (contaminated).
    1. Jeglov
      Jeglov 26 November 2012 16: 26
      +3
      Formally, as regards ports, only the government's decision was made in October to transfer them to a "concession". But you're right, I think you can already safely speculate about the "lucky winners of the contests." I am sure the contests will be "honest and insightful". Renat Leonidych is already at full speed in the port of Mariupol and will soon be "depressed". It was a pity that it was a good enterprise: there was always money for modernization, and the pier was built and decent salaries were paid. But...
    2. wow
      wow 26 November 2012 22: 17
      +1
      Absolutely "in the choke" captain, absolutely! You forgot about rainwater meters! And this is also not a rumor.
  5. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 26 November 2012 09: 44
    +1
    I don’t understand how the plant loaded with orders became bankrupt:
    The main order is currently reduced to the modernization of Bulat tanks for the Ukrainian army, as well as the supply of engine parts for China, Pakistan and Egypt. Deliveries of the BTR-4 to Iraq were carried out until recently by the Morozov Design Bureau, and preparation for the serial production of this equipment at the Kharkov plant was carried out only this year. In addition, certain problems exist in terms of deliveries of Oplot to Thailand, which are associated primarily with the fact that the enterprise does not have enough capacity for serial production of machinery.

    If there are not enough capacities, then they are busy with other orders, otherwise they would write: there are no capacities, well, as I understand it.
  6. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 26 November 2012 09: 57
    0
    Yes ! = "The economies of the countries in which these enterprises are located are developing in a healthy market, which does not exist in Ukraine. Moreover, it is not known when it will appear and begin to develop."
    And thank God that now there is a crisis! maybe they won't buy it for hryvnia - all this is the same "" "German company" Krauss-Maffei Wegmann "," "" or even worse.

    Why don't our "chenches" offer ???
  7. ded_73
    ded_73 26 November 2012 10: 11
    -4
    Here the problem is deeper .... Who benefits? Politically, Russia. They do not need a competitor in the BT market. And for this, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Salamatin does everything (the Cossack is mishandled). About ..... to the Iraqi contract (received the star of the hero of the Russian Federation?), In fact gave the rest of the orders to Russia. Without stopping at this, he is quietly taking out equipment (under the guise of restructuring the plant) from Kharkov to Kazakhstan, where the BTR-3E production technology was previously sold.
    And in the economic, also local businessmen. Scrap metal plus land in the city. With such "friends" and enemies are not necessary.
    1. Chaplain
      Chaplain 26 November 2012 11: 44
      +8
      Let's just say that it’s beneficial not only to Russia, but also to the same Germans, French, and Amers (without them). It is exported to Kazakhstan and not to Russia. So who pays him there and benefits for him. So Russia has nothing to do with it .
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 26 November 2012 13: 02
      +1
      then competitors are merging what
    3. Yars
      Yars 26 November 2012 13: 49
      +6
      ded73, before you write nonsense, think better, otherwise it’s ridiculous to read this nonsense, and we can say that the Orange Revolution was also beneficial to Russia !!!!!
    4. Igor
      Igor 26 November 2012 13: 51
      +4
      Quote: ded_73
      Who benefits? Politically, Russia. They do not need a competitor in the BT market. And for this, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Salamatin does everything (the Cossack is mishandled).


      What again and mustache ate? laughing And also look for Russian tanks and special forces on the Maidan)))
      1. ded_73
        ded_73 26 November 2012 14: 37
        -5
        And what does the Maidan and fat? It's just that, as they say, this is business - nothing personal. And business in white gloves is not done, especially in the field of military-technical cooperation. And the laws of nobility do not apply. More precisely, no one observes them. RF including. Did it hurt you?
        And it is not a big secret that Iraq was considering the issue of deliveries of either Bulatov or T-90. So, whoever galloped on a thug's goat is a fine fellow.
        As for our "stooltkin" (he has a habit of throwing chairs at people), then again it is not a secret - Soskovets's son-in-law (no need to remind who it is?), The family lives on Starokonyushenny lane in Moscow. Not a weak MO?
        1. Igor
          Igor 26 November 2012 18: 53
          +2
          Quote: ded_73
          And the laws of nobility do not apply. More precisely, no one observes them. RF including. Did it hurt you?


          Give evidence, otherwise you can blame extraterrestrial intelligence for everything laughing

          Quote: ded_73
          As for our "stooltkin" (he has a habit of throwing chairs at people), then again it is not a secret - Soskovets's son-in-law (no need to remind who it is?), The family lives on Starokonyushenny lane in Moscow. Not a weak MO?


          And that he owns this "Ukroboronprom"? Yes, if there is no money for the defense industry, then nothing will help.

          Quote: ded_73
          As for our "stooltkin" (he has a habit of throwing chairs at people), then again it is not a secret - Soskovets's son-in-law (no need to remind who it is?), The family lives on Starokonyushenny lane in Moscow. Not a weak MO


          And if you check all the powerful, then 90% of them will be in the property and villas in London and yachts in Monte Carlo laughing
          1. ded_73
            ded_73 26 November 2012 21: 24
            +2
            You really amuse me. I did not think that my mention of the interest of the Russian defense industry in eliminating a competitor would cause such "righteous" anger. Moreover, there is an instrument in the person of the minister (who created the Ukroboronprom concern in the image and likeness, not taking into account the truth of local realities, which, by the way, are catching up with the unfortunate defense industry). Is it really such a sincere belief that everything that is being done, conventionally the Russian Federation, is dressed in a white uniform with gold epaulettes? You can't sleep straight, like a locksmith from Malyshev. It doesn't work that way. There is a political, economic (and only if the state interest coincides with the personal .......) interest finally. What is more important - the work of friends or others? Do not deceive yourself.
            Examples. A couple is enough? Let's start with the unpleasant. Do you know that there is a law on Russian-Ukrainian cooperation in the field of military-technical cooperation, one of the requirements of which is the obligatory notification of the parties about the end user of weapons that were repaired with the participation of both parties. Why am I? And to the fact that the malicious Buks, which were supplied to Georgia, were being repaired with the help of spare parts supplied from Russia. Until the last day. And the Russian side knew where they would go. Where the GUR and the SVR were looking, but you know the result. And instead of asking you, as honest taxpayers, how is it that our people died, your comrades like Mamontov have snatched nonsense, aggressive lies like those that the Ukrainians were shooting. Which has never been proven. After all, it is easier to shout earlier, there they are, enemies, than to answer uncomfortable questions, and why our planes were knocked down by "Buks" on the march, without turning around. And who sent the Tu-22M3 for reconnaissance in Tbilisi (!) At an altitude of 3000m (!). For what purpose? ”And our great discreditor Konovalyuk and his parliamentary commission somehow closed by themselves after the arrival of Yanukovych, and Russia somehow does not require further investigation. Not noble somehow, especially before the memory of the dead, the kingdom of heaven to them. And forgive me if I offended anyone in vain.
            And Vitya Booth, who has already done so much for the same SVR and GUR of Russia. So, pathetic attempts to free him. A business then. Take the American spy for a causal place (since the law in Russia even allows them to be appointed) or the ambassador’s secretary for pedophilia and even exchange it. Not profitable Booth in Russia, knows a lot. We’d better bomb the notes, and he would probably stumble in prison.
            Yes, do not be lazy, look. The whole story of the Ukrainian-Iraqi scandals began with Russian publications.
            And why not start them, since the neighboring power is greedy, stupid and fearless, and is leaning at every step?!?
            1. Magadan
              Magadan 27 November 2012 04: 54
              0
              ded_73 Well, we have not yet learned how to ask the authorities for her shoals and treachery! So let's learn together and help each other! Is the Ukrainian press free of Russian bureaucrats? So let the Ukrainians then in every way persuade our scumbags from the authorities. Specific scumbags, not the entire Russian people.
        2. Magadan
          Magadan 27 November 2012 04: 49
          0
          ded_73! Destroy both Ukraine and Russia. Together, we are now fully grabbing. So you say that the Russians are interested in destroying the industry of Ukraine! Already 20 years have passed since the collapse, it seems everyone understood for a long time to whom it was beneficial. And no, everything is there too! Again Russia is to blame!
          1. ded_73
            ded_73 27 November 2012 10: 09
            0
            Dear Magadan and Igor! Where do you see me blaming Russia? Damn it, maybe I talked viteevato, but I answered the question of the article - who benefits. In this particular case, taking into account the limited number of enterprises in the finished tank production cycle in the CIS (how many are? 2-3? I’m not a tanker and I can make mistakes), eliminating (isolating) a competitor, especially foreign one, is the direct task of the state, I emphasize the state. Moreover, there is a mechanism for this, described by me above. This is a holy, I would say, task. But the government of Ukraine is to blame for this. First of all, the current ones, because they (yes, like everyone else, but these are more) have only money on their mind.
            As for the above examples, then again, in no case did I want to offend anyone, especially the people. It would probably be right to place emphasis and write Russia, implying its people, and the Russian Federation - the state, as an apparatus of action. The examples presented above show that this device is not perfect, however, as elsewhere in the world, it makes mistakes, sometimes fatal. And no matter how much you and I would not like, the functioning of this device in the future will not be unmistakable, just like our history does not consist only of victories and white stripes.
            Sorry to be long. Sincerely.
    5. Igor
      Igor 26 November 2012 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: ded_73

      Here the problem is deeper .... Who benefits? Politically, Russia. They do not need a competitor in the BT market. And for this, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Salamatin does everything (the Cossack is mishandled).


      And still, if it were Ukrainian GTS or Naftagaz, I would still have believed, but our defense industry is fighting with the MoD for internal orders and it has neither the strength nor the means to close competitors in other countries (they are still not so cool as TNCs with armies lobbyists and pockets full of money).
      1. ded_73
        ded_73 26 November 2012 14: 50
        0
        Let me disagree. Your kids are cunning. Have met. They work hard, not inferior to the Chinese (who knows, he will understand). Another conversation is that, having taken the course of exporting only the new, Russia has narrowed its field for activity. But in the field of repair and modernization, then there are already few who can compete.
        1. Igor
          Igor 26 November 2012 18: 42
          +2
          Quote: ded_73
          They work hard, not inferior to the Chinese


          Yes, in business everyone works like that.
    6. M. Peter
      M. Peter 10 December 2012 10: 47
      0
      Your plant has long been not a competitor to the Russian UVZ (this is not one plant, there are many of them tied into one), the scope is not the same.
      It’s the same as the manufacturer will eliminate the competitor in an ideal simple service station.
      You should not see what is not really.
      Your managers poured the plant themselves, on their own, without any help.
  8. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 26 November 2012 10: 39
    +2
    We also had a "dashing" fashionable idea of ​​the production of pans in factories. which produced the aircraft. As a result, no planes, no pans. A defense enterprise must produce either military equipment, or similarly technological civilian equipment! And a private owner is also not an option - he doesn't give a damn about defense capability, efficiency, equipment security, time requirements, etc. The main thing is profit - and the most profitable business is ... RENT! So they will buy and lease the workshops and equipment, and there will be half an "anthill" there and the second half of the workshop for pouring water from the tap into plastic bottles!
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 26 November 2012 13: 04
      +2
      A striking example is the Sukhoi enterprise, which also produces civilian aircraft (superjet, etc.) and carries out military orders.
  9. barbell
    barbell 26 November 2012 11: 16
    0
    Lord, deliver us from friends, but we can handle the enemies ourselves.
  10. Lucky
    Lucky 26 November 2012 11: 31
    0
    If Ukraine accepts such a program as Russia of rearmament and guarantees that it will purchase good lots of the entire list of plant products, then it can be privately privatized and the private trader will be interested in the further development of this plant, and all the rest is not serious, too much con is set (((
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 26 November 2012 12: 15
      +4
      No private owner is interested in development! The main thing for him is to get momentary profits!
      1. Splin
        Splin 26 November 2012 13: 21
        -8
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        The main thing for him is to get momentary profits!

        Just those moments passed those days. Private traders are interested in making more profit from the final product. Therefore, they build new plants and factories in the country.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 26 November 2012 13: 52
          +5
          I wonder which plant or factory was built in Ukraine of strategic importance. Enterprises for obtaining a natural "dairy" product from palm oil. From soybeans with an admixture of cocoa bean husks to "natural" chocolate, "Natural" sausage without GMO and without meat, Screwdriver assembly of substandard Chinese "limousines". The rest of the shipbuilding, aircraft building, television and radio, electrical and electronics enterprises have already visited the place where Malyshev's plant is being driven. An example, right before your eyes. In "sunny" Odessa not a single enterprise of the former Soviet significance remained. Unique crane building, machine tool building, cinema equipment, precision engineering, agricultural machinery, casting and rolling, and a couple of dozen more, but the booth industry for shawarma production is rapidly developing due to the "investments" of citizens of the countries of Caucasian nationalities.
          1. MG42
            MG42 26 November 2012 13: 57
            +1
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            In "sunny" Odessa there is not a single enterprise of the former Soviet significance left.

            And the Odessa port plant OPZ? What have you already taken?
          2. Splin
            Splin 26 November 2012 14: 12
            -3
            A new plant in the Dnieper. and the beginning of work on the fuel plant in Smolino, and a new building materials plant near Kiev. New strategic vegetable stores, new rigs, etc. etc. I am surprised you, like a man in one city, and I hope my back was not broken - but one pessemism from your lips. Believe me, the first small step after a long fall is more important than the next tens of kilometers traveled!
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 26 November 2012 15: 41
              +6
              The first step, even a small one, is important. Especially if the following kilometers lead the Ukrainian economy into oblivion. The loss has come, "as Azarov said. He personally felt that life has become better. Perhaps you are. But the budget deficit is growing. People are delaying wages, prices for everything are rising. The world does not see Ukraine as a conscientious partner and has lost interest and loses communication. Russia is like an empty suitcase without a handle. While not needed, but may come in handy, they will always have time to throw it out. Why pessimism? Eyesight is normal, I look without glasses, all the more pink. In whose hands are enterprises, offices up to the Donetsk-based tray trade. The back is whole, the assessment of the situation is sober. And God forbid you such pessimists become optimists. The number of "pessimists" is growing exponentially.
  11. Trevis
    Trevis 26 November 2012 11: 35
    +5
    But they got "independence". sad
  12. MG42
    MG42 26 November 2012 11: 53
    +3
    I was at this factory, there my bosses changed several. times something boasted + salary debts. Already discussed this plant on the forum less than a month ago?
    http://topwar.ru/20571-ukrainskiy-sud-otkryl-proceduru-bankrotstva-krupneyshego-
    proizvoditelya-tankov.html # comment-id-680005
  13. shurup
    shurup 26 November 2012 12: 10
    +7
    As far as I remember, Kryvyi Rih Metallurgical went into the hands of an Indian with German citizenship.
    The bankruptcy procedure of an enterprise is beneficial to all who participate in it, except for those who work at this enterprise.
    1. MG42
      MG42 26 November 2012 14: 16
      +5
      Quote: shurup
      As far as I remember, Kryvyi Rih Metallurgical went into the hands of an Indian

      By the way, this Indian did not pay little money for "Kryvorizhstal", another thing is where this money went later - who was in charge of Tymoshenko and Yushchenko.
  14. omsbon
    omsbon 26 November 2012 12: 20
    +2
    It is a pity the Kharkov plant is part of our common history.
    Private transfer to good WILL NOT Bring!
  15. WW3
    WW3 26 November 2012 13: 19
    +3
    Galicians bankrupt Kharkovites ... there may be avoiding debts, rather than privatization ... a private tank factory? whether it is included in the section with Ukrainian. laws?
    1. Kars
      Kars 26 November 2012 13: 27
      -1
      Quote: WW3
      private tank factory?

      If I had, I would have made a factory for the production of agricultural machinery long ago, even despite all my love for tanks.
      Quote: WW3
      with Ukrainian laws?

      our laws are such that they easily change.
      1. Splin
        Splin 26 November 2012 13: 34
        0
        Quote: Kars
        If I had made a plant for the production of agricultural machinery long ago

        There are such in Kharkov and Kherson. Release, already! to hell. Why another extra plant, when products cannot be sold? Now, if the benefits for both those who produce and those who buy, otherwise it will turn out like with cheap domestic flour ...
        1. Kars
          Kars 26 November 2012 13: 39
          -3
          Quote: Splin
          There are such in Kharkov and Kherson. Release, already! to hell

          Anyway, I’ll get more profit than from the production of tanks. Not saying that there is also an international market for agricultural machinery. You can lease to your farmers, you can come up with a lot of things, there would be money.

          And if ours fill up the Thai contract, then (((((((((((((((
      2. WW3
        WW3 26 November 2012 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        If I had, I would have long ago made a factory for the production of agricultural machinery from it.

        And what is there no one else to produce agricultural machinery?
        But do tractor plants in Kharkov or Kherson do harvesters, and tanks also do not need Ukraine?

        Quote: Kars
        our laws are such that they easily change.

        rather corrupt policies, laws are a consequence of business lobbying ....
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 26 November 2012 18: 13
      +4
      Quote: WW3
      Galicians bankrupt Kharkovites ..

      Sic! The first question of Roman law - who benefits? Considering the "palke bazhannya cram into Europa" of this particular part of Ukraine, isn't the collapse of military production a payment for some "humanitarian project" that will be implemented in Lviv?
      1. WW3
        WW3 26 November 2012 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: Kaa
        isn't the collapse of military production a payment for some "humanitarian project" that will be implemented in Lvov?

        interesting information was found in Lviv ...
        Vice Prime Minister - Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Borys Kolesnikov emphasizes that the construction of the Lvov-Arena stadium for the matches of the 2012 European Football Championship was fully financed from the state budget, Interfax-Ukraine reports with reference to Segodnya.

        "The state budget took over 100%. And where could Lvov get the money for financing when he himself has a subsidized budget ?! It was a pure gamble. They promised to issue bonds that were supposed to provide financing, but, in my opinion, so their and were not released, "he said in an interview with the newspaper, commenting on the fact that initially the construction of the stadium in Lviv was planned at the expense of the city budget.

        Galicians have already rebuilt the stadium from scratch, the rest in the east for private money ... I would suggest a "humanitarian project" of the Gayeuropean reservation for Galicia ... wassat In general, they can do without a tank factory ... he doesn’t need Bandera ...
        By the way, Kaa, the Europeans do not build reservations for illegal immigrants in western Ukraine there?
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 26 November 2012 19: 10
          +1
          Quote: WW3
          WW3

          The devil will take them apart! “Currently, there are two temporary detention centers for illegal immigrants in Ukraine, where a total of 373 people can be kept. One is in Rassudov in the Chernihiv region, the other is in Zhuravichi in Volhynia. In the near future at the expense of the EU 5 more points will be built on the eastern and southeastern borders illegal immigrants with an average capacity of 100-150 persons. In general, according to the estimates of the organizing committee of the project “Consulting assistance in creating detention centers and temporary detention of illegal immigrants in Ukraine -“ Readmit-1 ”, the total cost of all points for illegal immigrants (already built with European assistance and new ones) is about 120 million euros. In 2007, 10 million were allocated, next year - 30 million, the same amount will be provided this year. The rest - 50 million - should be distributed in the coming years. It is possible that the following centers (eight in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and twenty in the State Border Administration) will be built according to the so-called “ideal model” presented by David Kelly, the director of Readmit-1, in December 2009. The construction of the same point in Zhuravichi caused protests, in particular December march against illegal migration in Lutsk, organized by “Svobodovites”, where demands were put forward to close this establishment. Disagreement of a community, already in another region - Transcarpathia - supported the local government, speaking out against the construction of a new illegal detention center in the village. Dertsen of the Mukachevo district instead of the recently closed. This was stated in the leadership of the Transcarpathian regional state administration, showing solidarity to the Mukachevites, who, for several years in a row, sought to close the Pavshino illegal detention center. Why is this region so hostile to the initiative with the "migration prison"? Obviously, Transcarpathians, like no other, felt the consequences of gathering on their land seekers of a better fate from around the world. In particular, they recall the outbreak of typhoid fever of Asian origin and complain that such objects spoil the tourist image of the region. Decisive in deciding not build an illegal detention center in Busk in Lviv region also received negative feedback from the local population. "http://mair.in.ua/inquest/show/id/1838
          Although the data is old, but they do not like "Afro-Ukrainians" and "Chainogalyans" request
          1. WW3
            WW3 26 November 2012 19: 22
            +3
            Quote: Kaa
            In the near future, at the expense of the EU, 5 more illegal detention centers with an average capacity of 100-150 people will be built on the eastern and southeastern borders. In general, according to the estimates of the organizing committee of the project “Consulting assistance in creating detention centers and temporary detention of illegal immigrants in Ukraine -“ Readmit-1 ”, the total cost of all points for illegal immigrants (already built with European assistance and new ones) is about 120 million euros.

            Europa views Ukraine as a "buffer zone"?
            1. MG42
              MG42 26 November 2012 19: 31
              +5
              It is necessary to close the borders for illegal immigrants - they are already on their way wink
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 26 November 2012 20: 14
                +5
                Quote: MG42
                It is necessary to close the borders for illegal immigrants

                Traditions oblige ... soldier
                1. MG42
                  MG42 26 November 2012 20: 33
                  +3
                  Perhaps there is nothing to add - let's derail! soldier
            2. Kaa
              Kaa 26 November 2012 20: 08
              +1
              Quote: WW3
              Europa views Ukraine as a "buffer zone"?

              Type border Texas - Mexico, something like that ... what
              1. WW3
                WW3 26 November 2012 20: 19
                +3
                Yes, the dog knows how it is protected there, but the fact that they are trying to place illegal immigrants in the neighboring territory is a signal - the Europeans do not think that Ukraine will potentially enter the EU, this is my subjective view ... That’s why they strengthen their external borders, and inside the EU, pure formality ... illegal immigrants certainly get there in another way ... but that is another story ...
  16. black_eagle
    black_eagle 26 November 2012 13: 34
    0
    Shoot! Definitely ...
  17. genzik161
    genzik161 26 November 2012 18: 00
    +1
    Transfer ownership to Uralvagonzavod
    1. Kir
      Kir 26 November 2012 19: 25
      +1
      No, we would have to deal with our mess, how many we have flooded, figs would be material with him, but the "brains" - drawings and developments have been rubbed out and continue to scribble! And everything rests on patents - the potential "free" loot and not small, and even a name in history! But all that was required was to work in the patent office and convince the applicant how crap it is, etc., etc. either, to offer to provide a service for a service for co-authorship to issue in the best possible way, or even better, if you honestly have a promotion or what you need, but I have a copyright, I know not by hearsay because this happened with my uncle !!!
      And the Ukrainian brothers wish to try to formalize everything is not yet known as copyright and patents !!, probably the hunters will immediately decrease !!!
      And also do not forget about "fair" competition, when it is easier to eliminate a competitor than to compete with him !!!
      And in conclusion, the view of the dead workshops is simply murderous !!!
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 26 November 2012 20: 33
    0
    If you are planning to sell the plant to them Malyshev, then you must sell at the auction and working. And if through bankruptcy, the state will get a penny, and the next oligarch will climb the Forbes stairs!
    1. Jeglov
      Jeglov 26 November 2012 20: 46
      +1
      The oligarch will rise this way, it will do so ... The same "eggs" only a side view. And the state will receive a penny for any (well, except for those interested). Most of all I feel sorry for the workers of the plant.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 November 2012 21: 06
        0
        Quote: Jeglov
        Most sorry for the factory workers.

        And the people of the country do not mind?
        After all, they are trying to STEAL "the goose that lays the golden eggs"! Foreign exchange earning enterprise
  19. Odessa16
    Odessa16 26 November 2012 23: 23
    0
    What can I say ... Fucked up! Prosralisukopolymers! That Kravchuk, that Kuchma, that Yushchenko, that Yanyk - as they sawed everything in a row, and saw it. It is surprising - why Belarus, a state with a situation similar to that of Ukraine (I mean that they started their independence from scratch), has risen and now in Ukraine only saying "Belarus is better"? Why is Russia (those still corrupt!) Gently, sickly, but still rising? Really, only stupid people who cannot realize the country's potential (and they are SMALL!) Have moved to Ukraine?
    1. MG42
      MG42 26 November 2012 23: 26
      +1
      Quote: Odessit16
      Really in Ukraine gathered some stupid people who can not realize the potential of the country

      You just have to steal less! hi
      1. LAO
        LAO 30 November 2012 22: 16
        0
        Stealing is our national trait! In the Soviet army, most of the ensigns were Ukrainians, and ensigns ... you yourself know ... (who served).
        We have a country of ensigns - they only do that they will deribe Ukraine! There are no real citizens, no honor and conscience, and they do not give a shit about the people!
  20. Dub4ik
    Dub4ik 26 November 2012 23: 41
    0
    To go nuts, every year it’s getting worse and worse, what will happen next is even scary to imagine sad
  21. Patos89
    Patos89 27 November 2012 00: 33
    0
    Then it will be like at the beginning of the film Babylon of our era
  22. brush
    brush 28 November 2012 01: 20
    0
    All Ukrainian tanks will be poher! We will remember about such a good plant.

    Hi to Yanukovych. Going the right way.

    Already brought to the point that one familiar guest worker faded from Kiev to Moscow. Says the crisis specifically blew out in Ukraine, says it burns.
  23. not good
    not good 28 November 2012 19: 06
    +1
    If it were necessary for the state (Russia or Ukraine, it makes no difference), it would be possible for a long time, through bankruptcy, to buy such enterprises, place a state order on them and thereby provide both jobs and necessary products at reasonable prices, but here we have, unfortunately, they will be destroyed from the beginning, then rebuilt in another place, idiots.
    1. LAO
      LAO 30 November 2012 22: 19
      0
      To the base, and then ...
      Since 1917, we have so ...
  24. Obie
    Obie 3 December 2012 00: 52
    +1
    Regarding air meters in Ukraine, from January 1, we were obliged to put a meter on water from our own well (whoever has it). And moreover, bet at your own expense, and this is about $ 2000. Just like in the cartoon "Cipollino".