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Not an ally, but a partner: the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow showed that Russia can only rely on itself

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Not an ally, but a partner: the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow showed that Russia can only rely on itself

Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to Russia was widely and enthusiastically covered in the Russian media. The reasons are obvious - in the face of Russia's opposition to the entire collective West, Moscow has no choice but to improve relations with China and the Asian powers, the notorious "pivot to the East." Many experts pin certain hopes on China, believing, in particular, that it will increase support for Russia in connection with the ongoing special military operation in Ukraine, and secretly or openly begin to provide military assistance.


Yesterday we heard a lot of beautiful words about Russian-Chinese friendship, that "the relations between China and Russia over the past ten years have become stronger and more stable, these are relations between two great powers." However, let's see what we have in the bottom line.

As a result of the meeting, 14 documents were signed, including 2 joint statements, 7 non-binding memorandums, two protocols (one of them on strengthening cooperation in the field of scientific research), 1 comprehensive program, an information exchange agreement and a cooperation agreement in the field of joint production of television programs.

That is, in fact, nothing serious was officially signed. Some experts and political scientists are already speculating about some secret agreements that could be concluded, and even that China could allegedly provide Russia with a full-fledged lend-lease. However, these statements are not supported by any facts, and it is not possible to verify them at the moment. If we assume that something similar was concluded, then we will learn about this a little later. However, it does not appear that Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping have reached any "breakthrough" agreements.

What were the true goals of Xi Jinping's visit to Moscow? And why should Russia rely only on itself in a military conflict? These are the questions we will try to answer in this article.

On the purposes of Xi Jinping's visit to Moscow


Russia became the first country visited by the President of China after being re-elected for a third term, in connection with which some analysts suggested that this was no accident, and Russian-Chinese friendship could sparkle with new colors, especially against the backdrop of the military conflict in Ukraine. Even some American media suspected that Xi Jinping "is going to get closer to Russian President Vladimir Putin" and can provide serious military support to Russia.

However, not all Western media adhered to this opinion, there were other assessments. In particular, the British newspaper The Sunday Times, on the eve of the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow, published an article under the heading “Xi's Moscow mission is to ensure that there is one winner in the war in Ukraine - himself”, which stated that the main purpose of Xi Jinping’s visit to Moscow is to publicly demonstrate himself as a potential peacemaker.

“The meeting with President Putin on Monday and the virtual talks with President Zelensky are meant to look like an attempt to end the war in Ukraine. The Chinese leader would no doubt prefer the conflict to end rather than continue. In little more than a year, he damaged Chinese interests in various ways: energized NATO, undermined Beijing's efforts to establish diplomatic relations with Europe, weakened demand in key export markets, stepped up the rearmament of Japan, pushed the United States to supply weapon to Taiwan. However, Xi has a more pressing priority: his goal is to make sure Russia doesn’t lose.”

- writes the edition.

The journalists of the British newspaper believe that China fears that in the event of Russia's defeat in the military conflict in Ukraine, the Americans will turn their eyes to the Celestial Empire and designate it as the "main enemy", which is unfavorable for China.

“The most pressing issue for Beijing is the rapid deterioration of relations with the United States. Xi said this month that the US and its Western allies have embarked on a "comprehensive containment, encirclement and suppression of China" campaign. Xi also wants to present himself as a great statesman, working tirelessly to promote world peace. He reportedly plans to call Zelenskiy shortly after talking to Putin. If he had acted differently, only footage of him shaking hands with the Russian leader and the impression that he was his assistant would have remained in the world ... Xi knows that Russia and Ukraine have no real prospects for upcoming negotiations, because neither of them is ready to give in. So all you have to do is position yourself as a potential peacemaker whenever the opportunity presents itself.”

– summarizes the publication.

This assessment of the British press, in the opinion of the author, is quite sound. It seems that Xi Jinping is really trying to present himself to Moscow and the world as a peacemaker and a possible mediator between Russia and the West. In addition, in terms of peacekeeping, the PRC has achievements - rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia through the direct mediation of China (read about this in the Military Review article: “The Beijing Accords: The Beginning of a New Political Era for the World"). Xi Jinping has already proposed his “peace plan” for Ukraine, and this plan, frankly, raises many questions.

Beijing's plan for a peaceful settlement of the conflict in Ukraine


China proposed its 12-point peace plan back in February, calling for an end to hostilities and "abandoning the Cold War mentality." Moscow said yesterday that "the provisions of the Chinese peace plan can be taken as the basis for a settlement in Ukraine," but let's look at some of the points of this plan.

The first paragraph speaks of "respect for the sovereignty of all countries" and "observance of international laws, including the UN Charter", but without double standards. Moreover, it says that "the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be guaranteed." Following international law, the new territories of the Russian Federation are the territory of Ukraine, does this mean that the PRC offers Russia to surrender under Chinese guarantees?

The issue is debatable, some experts suggest reading this paragraph on “territorial integrity” in some other way, however, in my opinion, everything is said quite clearly there. The following paragraphs talk about abandoning the "cold war mentality", ending unilateral sanctions, a ceasefire, starting peace talks, supporting the safety of nuclear power plants and, interestingly, "grain export guarantees". According to the PRC, all parties must comply with the agreement on the transportation of grain across the Black Sea, signed by Russia, Ukraine, Turkey and the UN in 2022.

It is no secret that China is one of the main consumers of Ukrainian grain, which is why Beijing, like Turkey, apparently insists that Russia strictly comply with the terms of the grain deal.

In general, the PRC's plan is "for all that is good, against all that is bad," but with by no means pro-Russian overtones. In general, one can agree with Colonel aviation retired Victor Alksnis, who, following Xi Jinping's visit to Moscow, noted that Vladimir Putin failed to convince Xi Jinping to support Russia.

“China offers Russia to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine by returning Crimea, Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to it. That is, China does not support Russia in this situation, but Ukraine. But for Russia, this means unconditional surrender, which, I hope, it will not accept. Therefore, one cannot count on the supply of military equipment and weapons from China. Moreover, China in paragraph 3 suggests:
“All parties must remain rational and show restraint, prevent the flames from fanning and tensions from escalating, and not allowing the crisis to escalate further or even spiral out of control.”
That is, there can be no question of any strategic offensive by our grouping, ”

Alksnis says.

Quite skeptical about the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow is also the ex-minister of defense of the DPR, a retired FSB colonel Igor Strelkov (Girkin), who believes that the Chinese will try to persuade Moscow to their vision of a “peaceful settlement”, which does not correlate well with national the interests of Russia.

Why can Russia rely only on itself?


Based on the fact that the first country visited by President Xi Jinping after being re-elected was Russia, some analysts have suggested that Moscow has topped China's priority list. However, is this really true?

Xi knew full well that this visit would make a lot of noise in the media and annoy the Americans, but is he ready for a real increase in confrontation with the US? The well-known events in Taiwan have demonstrated to everyone that they are not ready, but maybe something has changed?

To answer the question about China's real priorities in politics, one should turn to the economy (the current policy has ceased to be politics as such and has long been tied to the economic component) - who are China's main trading partners at the moment?

At the end of 2022, China's three main trading partners were the European Union, the United States and ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations). China's trade with the European Union and the United States in 2022 amounted to $1,6 trillion, which is 8 times more than trade with Russia, which is $190 billion, according to China's customs statistics. Given that, as mentioned above, the role of the economic factor in modern politics has become total, it becomes obvious with whom relations are more important for China.

So far, there are no signs that the PRC is ready to go into open confrontation with the collective West. America and Europe have become China's main and fastest growing markets for goods, and China is important for the US as an export market. Therefore, it is hardly worth counting on the fact that China will go into open confrontation, risking running into trouble (as was the case during the presidency of Donald Trump, who imposed duties on Chinese goods). After all, even if Beijing secretly opens lend-lease for Russia and starts supplying ammunition or weapons, this will not be hidden from Western intelligence, and will not be able to remain a secret for the West for a long time.

In the conditions in which Russia finds itself, it is Beijing that Moscow needs more, and not Moscow that Beijing needs. After all, it was China that became Russia's main trading partner after a sharp reduction in imports from the EU. It is through China that a significant part of the electronics is purchased, and even the same drones and many other equipment needed by Russia. However, one cannot count on full-fledged friendship with China. China is first and foremost an important business partner, not a friend or ally.

Therefore, in the military conflict in Ukraine, Russia can only rely on itself.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 24 March 2023 05: 09
    -26
    And what? During the Great Patriotic War, neither England nor the United States were our friends, but as allies they helped us economically very seriously. So now, China has made it clear that it will economically support Russia.
    And what was in China's proposals to establish peace ... So it was before the visit, and the "partners", together with the chief commissar of the outskirts, ignored. Not shield, in short.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 24 March 2023 07: 23
      +29
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      During the Great Patriotic War, neither England nor the USA were friends to us ...

      1. In WWII, Britain was bombed ...
      2. The Americans were at war with Japan, and Germany declared war on them.
      3. Who is bombing China now?
      4. Who are China's main trading partners?
      5. China already gets everything it wants from Russia - natural resources.
      6. The PLA is now not ready for war with the united NATO, AUKUS, Asian allies of the United States, therefore, they will not aggravate by supplying weapons to Russia.
      7. Time is working for China. China is learning, developing, getting richer, unlike most countries in the world. There is no hurry for China.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 March 2023 08: 12
        -15
        Quote: Doccor18
        5. China already gets everything it wants from Russia - natural resources.
        6. The PLA is now not ready for war with the united NATO, AUKUS, Asian allies of the United States, therefore, they will not aggravate by supplying weapons to Russia.

        Firstly, we are not talking about a military alliance with joint military operations, and secondly, you can get resources in exchange for candy wrappers, as with India, and supplies, for example, of electronics for weapons are not particularly pulling ...
      2. S. Nikolaev
        S. Nikolaev 25 March 2023 07: 40
        +6
        China's leader's visit to Moscow showed that Russia can only rely on itself

        To whom did you show it? The author of the article? And before this visit, no one, including the political leadership of the Russian Federation, had any idea about this? As far as I remember, I heard this from Putin more than once, like everyone else, I guess.
        Everyone - from the British media to the Zips, became very excited, began to count money and divide the Siberian taiga in exchange for lend-lease.
        But the main thing is probably not in the cubes of gas and the number of shells, although this is also important. What matters is where he would have been able to go and with whom to talk, if Russia had not run into a confrontation with the entire West, declaring this war first. Of course, they can say that Xi, they say, had no choice and in the confrontation with the same West (where China is also in mortal danger), he needs a powerful ally in the person of Russia. Well, yes, probably. These partner or allied (as you wish) relations are necessary for our countries today, this is objective. But there is always a choice. And China had it. But he made his choice, and, it seems, a long time ago. I think, much earlier than when everyone watched how at the congress, under white hands, certain characters were taken out of the top leadership.
    2. Civil
      Civil 24 March 2023 07: 49
      -1
      People's Republic of China. It is a socialist country with a communist ideology. The Communist Party of the People's Republic of China is the foundation of the state's main driving force. Despite the elements of a market economy and the presence controlled by bourgeoisie, the PRC has built socialism and is building communism.
      What can the communists of the PRC have in common, for example, with the ruling United Russia party, that is, with the edros? Which almost 90% consist of representatives of big capital. Only the supply of cheap resources. And to cut down against the United States, and even for the capitalist country of the 2-3 world ... it makes no sense to them.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 March 2023 08: 13
        -4
        Quote: Civil
        What can the communists of the PRC have in common, for example, with the ruling United Russia party, that is, with the edros?

        Do you think China has more in common with the cannibalistic capitalism of the United States?
        1. Civil
          Civil 24 March 2023 08: 50
          +11
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Do you think China has more in common with the cannibalistic capitalism of the United States?

          Where in the article about the evil empire is the USA?
          Well, if you are interested, then for example the economy, the United States is the main trading partner of China. American imperialists know how to count money. Like the Chinese communists.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 March 2023 09: 51
            -13
            Quote: Civil
            Where in the article about the evil empire is the USA?
            Kuku:
            however, is he ready for a real intensification of the confrontation with the United States? well-known events in
            Taiwan has demonstrated to everyone that it is not ready, but maybe something has changed?

            Quote: Civil
            Well, if you are interested, then for example the economy, the United States is the main trading partner of China. American imperialists know how to count money. Like the Chinese communists.

            And if you ask, you will find out that with all the ability to count money, China is in quite a tough conflict with the United States, even if not with weapons.
        2. bulava74
          bulava74 27 March 2023 13: 42
          0
          Do you think China has more in common with the cannibalistic capitalism of the United States?


          For now and for the foreseeable future, yes. They are not suicidal and not fanatics - to the marrow of the bones of the pragmatist. In fact, in China, an economic situation similar to our NEP has formed. Of course, it has a number of modifiers that we did not have at that time: for example, the presence of commercial banks and private insurance companies. But the general message is clear - the defense industry is state property, the production of basic resources is state property. The rest is private capital.

          And the presence of the word "communist" in the abbreviation of the ruling party - to give the still existing set of left-wing views in society. But in their essence, they stand on the platform of social democracy.
          Before writing a replica, look at YouTube for a lot of videos about the modern communist movement. I especially recommend the historian Klim Zhukov - very mature communist views and his video reviews on this topic.
      2. ViktorBiryukov
        24 March 2023 09: 11
        +25
        But you are a dreamer. Information for you to think about - one of the richest people in China, Jack Ma (Ma Yun) is a member of the Communist Party of China, his fortune is estimated at $ 2022 billion in 22,8. There are a large number of billionaires in the Communist Party and in the Chinese parliament and legislature, this information is not difficult find. For comparison, there are no billionaires among congressmen in the USA.

        Regarding the fact that in the PRC "there are communism" - only those who know nothing about China say so. The main share of GDP and the majority of jobs in the country is created by private business. Small and medium private enterprises in China provide about 80% of jobs. China is a capitalist country despite socialist rhetoric and the use of socialist symbols. There are words, but there is reality and facts.
        1. Civil
          Civil 24 March 2023 09: 35
          +15
          Information for you to consider - one of the richest people in China, Jack Ma (Ma Yun) is a member of the Chinese Communist Party, his fortune for 2022 is estimated at $ 22,8 billion.

          Back in 2020, Jack Ma was kicked out by the communists from everywhere for trying (!) to advise. Now he lives in Tokyo, management of his business assets was also taken away.
          Read my comment carefully - all these nouveaux riches under communist control. Like officials, by the way, who are not promoted for corruption, but are shot.
          There are a large number of billionaires in the Communist Party and in the Chinese parliament and legislature, this information is not difficult to find.

          You are distorting again, 90% of representatives of big business in representative bodies in the Russian Federation and less than 1% in China. Feel the difference?
          The main share of GDP and the majority of jobs in the country is created by private business.
          Artels were also with Comrade. Stalin. This did not make them any less socialist. Socialism is primarily the protection of social rights and work in the interests of society, and not the conditional Gazmyasalmazneftruberoyd LLC, and even registered offshore.
          China is a capitalist country despite socialist rhetoric and the use of socialist symbols.

          This boyan of oligarchic propaganda has long been blown to smithereens. One simple example - the PRC government annually reports on the main achievements - the growth of the welfare of citizens and life expectancy. As befits the communists, not a long pipeline.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 24 March 2023 09: 58
            +3
            Capitalists and exploitation, private ownership of the joint venture, in a socialist state, with a communist ideology, cannot exist in principle. The growth of the welfare of citizens concerns about a third of citizens, due to the slave labor of the rest. It is not necessary to shake the air with the slogans "K" PC. Effective - yes, but this is not socialism. Boyan, this is socialism in China.
          2. ViktorBiryukov
            24 March 2023 10: 35
            +11
            1. China has the second largest number of billionaires in the world. According to Forbes, there are 2021 billionaires in China in 626. Their combined wealth is estimated at $2,5 trillion.
            2. In China, you can do business without the help of the state (the main thing is not to get into politics and there will be no problems).
            3. You frankly confuse socialism and social justice. If today's China has socialism, then in this case we can say that Sweden is also a socialist country (read about the "Scandinavian model"). The standard of living in Sweden is very high, there is a very low level of corruption, GDP per capita is twice as high as the European average, and the Social Democrats are in power there.
            4. Following the dictionary of economic terms under socialism, "the main means of production, as a rule, are mainly collectively owned by the state." This is not about China. There certainly are elements of socialism, but it is not socialist.
            However, it is basically pointless to convince a fanatic like you, because. you follow the principle "if the facts contradict my theory, then so much the worse for the facts."
            1. ivan2022
              ivan2022 25 March 2023 09: 49
              -2
              Quote: Viktor Biryukov
              1. China is the second largest in the number of billionaires in the world ...... If there is socialism in today's China, then in this case we can say that Sweden is also a socialist country (read about the "Scandinavian model") ......
              However, it is basically pointless to convince a fanatic like you, because. you follow the principle "if the facts contradict my theory, then so much the worse for the facts."

              You are slightly wrong. How would you not slide into fanaticism yourself. Socialism and social justice have much more in common than socialism and state property.

              Engels wrote about this: "if we assume that state property is socialism, then we must recognize Napoleon as a socialist and a communist" ... Something like this ..

              The main classic sign of socialist statehood is the enormous powers of elected bodies. Which were in the USSR at the Top Council, and in China are available at the All-Chinese Assembly.

              Learn the materiel! The collapse of the USSR began when at night in the December Belarusian forest three alkonauts met, who did not bother with the decisions of congresses and any referendums,
              and finally. - when the congress of people's deputies was shot from tanks in October 1993. This put an end to it.
              1. Alexander Z
                Alexander Z 25 March 2023 13: 35
                -1
                Fantastic nonsense ... The Supreme Soviet of the USSR had only one authority - to stamp out the decisions of the Politburo.
            2. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 25 March 2023 17: 42
              +3
              In China, you can do business without the help of the state (the main thing is not to get into politics and there will be no problems).

              Victor, here you yourself, without noticing it, gave the most important trump card to your opponent. After all, in the end it turns out the following: it is really possible to become rich in China, but in return you automatically agree with everything that the party says. Those. if in the correct capitalist world capital sets the rules of the game on the political field, then in the PRC, on the contrary, the Communist Party sets the boundaries for entrepreneurial activity. Yes, these boundaries are quite wide, yes, the party welcomes the entrepreneurial initiative, but only it alone has the monopoly right to determine the range of what is permitted, and if tomorrow, due to absolute necessity, it is necessary to revise the established framework, then the party will do it, and business will only have to silently agree with the accepted decision. Nothing else.

              In fact, capital in China, no matter how large it is, is deprived of its main tool, which is much worse than the exploitation of workers and profit from the labor of an ordinary person - it is deprived of political rights and, above all, the right to elect (after all, there is no alternative to the CCP) and to be elected (individual business representatives, however, can still get into the party bodies, on one condition - if they prove their unconditional loyalty to the party policy and the ideas of Mao and Deng Xiaoping, but even in this case, the internal selection mechanism will not allow them to rise in the power hierarchy higher than any functionary of a purely proletarian origin), and therefore has no leverage of direct influence on the political decision-making process. No, of course, the party looks back at the business community, takes them into account, and therefore does not take steps that can directly harm it (for example, as providing military assistance to Russia), because any weakening of the productive forces in the end is the weakening of China itself, but inside the country the capitalists are essentially powerless. This is a kind of social contract, according to which only one role is prepared for business - to enjoy its position, simultaneously acting as a locomotive for the economic development of the entire Chinese society, but they do not determine the general vector of this development itself.

              And I personally can’t imagine how else to call this system other than socialism. And you?

              According to the dictionary of economic terms under socialism, "the main means of production, as a rule, are mainly collectively owned by the state." This is not about China. There certainly are elements of socialism, but it is not socialist.


              Victor, it seems to me that your main mistake is to try to follow the established dogma, while you should not forget that any doctrine develops and transforms over time and the Marxist theory is no exception, because it originated in the middle of the 19th century at the beginning of the 20th century with the hands of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin had to make significant changes, without which it would have lost a significant proportion of its relevance at that time. What to say about today? Therefore, let's try to move away from some dogmas and look at things more broadly.
              1. gsev
                gsev 26 March 2023 05: 48
                +1
                Quote: Dante
                Those. if in a correct capitalist world capital sets the rules of the game on the political field,

                If there are no restrictions on capital, then the capitalists can take prostitutes into the forest, undress them and force them to run through the forest, while they themselves will shoot at the fleeing shots. This is a real everyday life with the winner of the beauty contest of the national republic of the Volga region of the times of Yeltsin. In China, before the coming of the Communists, the landlords could afford a lot. In Tibet, under the British protectorate, for example, slaves and serfs were cut off limbs as a punishment.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 26 March 2023 09: 53
                  -1
                  The bourgeoisie in the PRC does not at all need a political justification for the exploitation of the worker, the "communists" do it for him. Dogma has nothing to do with it. There is only one - the presence of the bourgeoisie and bourgeois relations in society with socialism and the power of the working people enter into an insurmountable antagonism. Or or. These relationships automatically destroy social justice. It is not correct to cite as an argument the NEP, who was afraid of the difficulties of Ilyich, it was a mistake and was quickly corrected. Chinese "wise men" once again proved their cunning by pulling an owl on a globe.
            3. Alex777
              Alex777 25 March 2023 21: 58
              -1
              I myself saw how Comrade Xi, during the visit of VVP
              to Beijing, suggested that he "strengthen the military alliance."
              The GDP pretended not to hear.
              Russia is the third force. By her own.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 24 March 2023 10: 22
          +6
          Quote: Viktor Biryukov
          Regarding the fact that in the PRC "there are communism" - only those who know nothing about China say so.

          good
      3. D-east
        D-east 25 March 2023 13: 44
        +1
        Do you recall what Deng Xiaoping once said? ,,It doesn't matter what color the cat is, as long as it catches mice,..That is, it doesn't matter what ideology, the main thing is that the state, and with it the people, flourish. Hence the fact that among the members of the Communist Party, that is, the Communists, there are a lot of the same capitalists. And if the owners of factories and ships play by the rules, then the same CPC will never give them an insult to the working people, despite all the teachings of Marx-Engels-Lenin. And as for killing yourself for a capitalist country or a socialist country, now no one in the world is guided by such questions.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 26 March 2023 09: 35
          -1
          "K" PC, together with the hucksters, parasitizes the workers, and you "will not give offense." By their own rules, they play these rules, you would not like it very much if you were a Chinese hard worker.
    3. Negro
      Negro 24 March 2023 08: 23
      +9
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      So now, China has made it clear that it will economically support Russia.

      It will support it economically - will it not refuse to buy oil?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 March 2023 08: 42
        -8
        Quote: Negro
        It will support it economically - will it not refuse to buy oil?

        Deliveries of even simple consumer goods, not counting consumables and electronics - what does this mean now, are you able to understand?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 24 March 2023 10: 04
          +16
          The strange secrecy of a "great power" wishing to support another "great power". Here, the enemies have clearly outlined their position, openly announced real help and are implementing it. Why should the Chinese be afraid if they are great? They would announce lend-lease in the Russian Federation, as Congress did. Kukish, not Comrade Xi, showed the wrestlers behind closed doors.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 March 2023 17: 06
            -16
            Quote: Essex62
            They would announce lend-lease in the Russian Federation, as Congress did. Kukish, not Comrade Xi, showed the wrestlers behind closed doors.

            CIPSOsh manuals update! They are irrelevant, if only because officially Russia does not need lend-lease, moreover, Russia officially does not need military supplies.
            This means that this is also elementary for a slightly thinking person, and Beijing does not have to officially supply military products.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 24 March 2023 19: 24
              +11
              Is it really necessary? Is this with the real sector of the economy completely liquidated? Critical for sovereignty, industries, imposed by sanctions at zero, screwdriver assembly, what could at least somehow be considered production? The bourgeois RF is buy-sell, trade in resources and the sucking of money by the "penalty economy" from the employed population, all in the same, buy-sell. Have you already gone to the front with the T-55? And do not talk about the preservation of modern times for the war with NATO. It is already coming, on our territory, trench. We cannot advance. Greetings to the storyteller Dimon, who produces thousands of tanks.
              PS: for the attention of the guard, the Bolsheviks are not kept in tsipso. Antogenism, p.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 25 March 2023 03: 51
                -5
                Quote: Essex62
                Is it really necessary? Is this with the real sector of the economy completely liquidated? Critical for sovereignty, industries, imposed by sanctions at zero, screwdriver assembly, what could at least somehow be considered production?

                Wow, the Russian military-industrial complex carries out a screwdriver assembly of Abrams Tomahawks Needles and other Virginias? Have you checked your head?
                Quote: Essex62
                Have you already gone to the front with the T-55? And do not talk about the preservation of modern times for the war with NATO. It is already coming, on our territory, trench.
                Have you seen them? And yes, the Reserve must be preserved, this is elementary knowledge in general.

                Quote: Essex62
                Greetings to the storyteller Dimon, who produces thousands of tanks.
                Hello, hello, and who is Dimon - the Minister of Defense or the one responsible for the military industry?

                22350 "Admiral Golovko"

                Quote: Essex62
                PS: for the attention of the guard, the Bolsheviks are not kept in tsipso. Antogenism, p.
                Pxxx, even if you believe that there may be a Bolshevik with the nickname Essex62, then believing that Tsipsota cannot throw under the guise of "Bolsheviks" is stupid stupidity. And TsPSO is known for its stupidity ...
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 25 March 2023 10: 20
                  0
                  I don't want to respond to stupid excuses. And I will not. Urya-patriot is a diagnosis and cannot be treated.
                  PS: there the commas seem to be correctly spaced, between the critical and screwdriver ones. Not? And Dimon is your future president.
          2. krops777
            krops777 25 March 2023 10: 40
            -1
            The strange secrecy of a "great power" wishing to support another "great power".



            The visits of the first persons of the state do not take place at once, Zelya is not counted, everything is coordinated for a long time, at least six months in advance, everything is taken into account from what documents they will sign, to what tie they will wear and what the first persons will eat, these are the rules. So Xi came only to testify to everything that the PRC wants and there is no secrecy here, but there is secrecy of certain moments, all states in the world have business interests, why talk too much and you won’t earn money ahead of competitors.
        2. Negro
          Negro 24 March 2023 19: 14
          +5
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Deliveries of even simple consumer goods, not counting consumables and electronics

          That is, support = does not support blockade?
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 25 March 2023 03: 56
            -6
            Quote: Negro
            That is, support = does not support blockade?

            What kind of development do you need to have in order to ask such questions?
            Yes, deliveries through the blockade are support.
      2. Wildcat
        Wildcat 24 March 2023 13: 04
        0
        It will support it economically - will it not refuse to buy oil?

        Of course not.
        The volume of Chinese aid is much bigger, deeper and better than just buying energy at great prices. China knows what Russia needs most:
        "The Kremlin explained what Chinese President Xi Jinping meant when he spoke about the presidential elections in Russia in 2024. The distinguished guest hoped that the voters would support Vladimir Putin, while the Russian president has not yet announced his participation in the future campaign. Press Secretary of the head Dmitry Peskov suggested not looking for intrigue here, but explained that Xi Jinping thus only supported the course of his colleague.Kommersant FM political observer Dmitry Drize believes that the Chinese leader is ready to continue working with Putin."
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5887682
        1. Negro
          Negro 24 March 2023 15: 20
          0
          Quote: Wildcat
          China knows what Russia needs most:

          During the meeting, which was held in video format, President Vladimir Putin told the Governor of the Leningrad Region Alexander Drozdenko that he supported his participation in the election of the head of the region. The transcript of their conversation is published on the Kremlin website.

          “Alexander Yuryevich, you have every moral right to apply for a new term of office at the head of the Leningrad Region,” Putin said.

          According to the head of state, the final decision on this issue should be made by voters in the elections scheduled for September. “For my part, I wish you success,” the president added.

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/06/2020/5ee0f8b59a7947ca391da5f2
      3. sadam2
        sadam2 24 March 2023 18: 21
        +8
        hmm support.
        Before the war, gas was driven to Europe at 700 and to China at 250 ...
        And now with these discounts ... a big secret
        With such support, we will remain without pants
        China will eat us and already in our lifetime
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 25 March 2023 18: 06
          +2
          China will eat us and already in our lifetime

        2. Seafood
          Seafood 30 March 2023 10: 57
          0
          When did we sell gas to Europe at $700 per 1 cubic meters before the war? The average price in 2021 was $274 and it was one of the most expensive years, and in 2019 the average price was $190. I don’t take into account 2020, because it was a pandemic, but then the price was generally around $130.
  2. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 24 March 2023 05: 39
    +15
    Starting from the 70s, we have a very different past with China. China used the help of the West in its own interests. Everything went differently for us. For Chinese society, it was a smooth life. China gradually collected its lands. Created artificial islands. Peacefully brought Hong Kong closer. We got the complete opposite. We legalized the Belovezhskaya agreement with our own hands. It is difficult for us to understand China. It is difficult for China to understand us.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 24 March 2023 10: 02
      +5
      in principle, so, I would only note that China, as a largely self-sufficient civilization, is not going to understand anyone - they don’t need it!
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 24 March 2023 05: 44
    +4
    China is first and foremost an important business partner, not a friend or ally.
    One of the friendly partners, the rest of the partners are not friendly. As in a card game, where all the partners at the table only play in pairs against each other.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 March 2023 07: 48
      -2
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: parusnik
      As in a card game, where all the partners are at the table, they only play in pairs, against each other.

      In our case, everyone plays for himself. Together - only when the interests of both parties coincide. This is the new World Order that we are building and what Putin spoke about at the Valdai Forum, marking the future World Order with a dotted line:

      "... Changing milestones is a painful process, but natural and inevitable. The future world order is being formed before our eyes. And in this world order we must listen to everyone, take into account every point of view, every people, society, culture, every system of worldviews , ideas and religious beliefs, without imposing a single truth on anyone, and only on this basis, understanding their responsibility for the fate - the fate of the peoples, the planet, to build a symphony of human civilization ...

      ... all countries must be provided with sovereign development, and one must respect the choice of any country. This is also important, even in relation to the financial system. It must be independent, depoliticized, and, of course, it must be based on the financial systems of the world's leading countries.

      And if this is created, and this is not an easy process, very complicated, but it is possible, then the international institutions – they need to be either reformed or re-created - assistance to those countries that need this support.

      And first of all, you will need based on this new financial system ensure the transfer of education and technology transfer.

      If all this is summed up together, collected as a palette of opportunities necessary for implementation, then the economic model itself, and the financial system, it will serve the interests of the majority, and not only the interests of this "golden billion", which we spoke about ...

      ...Need to find a balance of interests. This cannot be done in conditions of hegemony or an attempt to maintain the hegemony of one country or group of countries in relation to the rest of mankind. These hegemons will have to reckon with these legitimate demands of the vast majority of participants in international communication - and not in words, but in deeds ...

      ... How to ensure that the relationship was stable? It is necessary to achieve this balance, it is necessary to act within the framework of those norms that we call international law, they must be coordinated and adhered to, including in in the financial sector to create independent systems of international settlementsthat I was talking about..."

      Full text of the transcript: http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69695
  4. smart fellow
    smart fellow 24 March 2023 06: 10
    -1
    Therefore, in the military conflict in Ukraine, Russia can only rely on itself.

    It was necessary to conclude a military-political alliance with the PRC earlier. A few years ago, one of the leading American newspapers called for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the PRC because China was allegedly preparing for a nuclear war with the United States and equipping new stations of the Beijing subway as anti-nuclear shelters. China then had some contradictions with the United States and China, after this article, backtracked. The nuclear potential of the United States was an order of magnitude THEN superior to the nuclear potential of China. The Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation) expressed sympathy for China, but the meaning was such that these were China's problems. Since then, China has increased its nuclear potential many times over, and although such data is classified, it can be assumed that it has approached the American one and there is no point in threatening China with a nuclear war. this will lead to mutual destruction.
    There was a lot of talk about military assistance from the DPRK. Now I think this is possible, but only on the condition of concluding a military-political alliance with the DPRK, but Russia is not ready for this. The Russian Foreign Ministry continues to talk about the fact that it will never recognize the DPRK as a nuclear state and is in favor of North Korea's nuclear disarmament. It is not safe for Koreans to spend military resources for oil and food when the US and South Korea are constantly conducting military exercises. The scale of the exercises has been restored to the level that was 5 years ago, which is 300 South Korean military and tens of thousands of American ones. At the same time, according to estimates, 000 Russian military men participated in the exercises before the start of the NMD. Up to 200 Americans are now permanently stationed in the Republic of Korea. military, taking into account the latest naval base on Jeju Island, where 000 American nuclear submarines are apparently based (at the exercises, a North Korean submarine hit underwater targets with 50 cruise missiles) and 000 Amer. military in Japan. A military-political alliance with the DPRK would make it possible to use North Korean military and dual-purpose plants for the needs of the North Korean Military District, while in the DPRK, after all, there is a mobilization economy and a powerful enough industry to provide for the needs of a million-strong army.
  5. north 2
    north 2 24 March 2023 07: 13
    +1
    Is it really the main purpose of Xi's visit that was the goal that everyone is silent about, even if this goal was not at the meeting. And this is China's well-known plan for a peaceful settlement of the situation in Ukraine. But after all, if this plan of China is known to the last letter by everyone, including Putin, then Xi may have come to Putin to "explain on his fingers" - that is, to put pressure if Putin "did not understand" what was written.
    All will show in the near future. If the blows of the Russian Army will be victorious blows with a clenched fist to liberate all the primordially Russian land right up to Lviv, and not slaps with outspread fingers, no matter how, liberate only Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, then this goal of China, as the main goal of Xi’s visit to Moscow, even and there was no speech at the talks. So, we remembered only in passing ..
  6. Unknown
    Unknown 24 March 2023 07: 37
    +7
    How China treats Russia, and GDP can be seen immediately.
    No words are needed here, we can conclude that the look of the Chinese says everything.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 24 March 2023 08: 53
      +3
      And what do you want, there is an opinion that the Chinese consider the rest of the world to be barbarians!
  7. G17
    G17 24 March 2023 07: 41
    +16
    CHINA AND RUSSIA - UNION OF RIDER AND HORSE...

    The visit of the Chinese leader stirred up the stagnant political swamp to the limit. President Putin even published an article on this subject, and the official media tirelessly fanned the hysteria around the "historic" visit and the tempting prospects that the partnership between Russia and China will bring to the world over the past few days. In the end, there was nothing to be happy about. Behind the verbal husk, there is no practical result beneficial for today's Russia.

    I remind you that World War III has been going on for more than a year. We are fighting on the Ukrainian front with the entire NATO bloc and the Ukrainian fascists in extremely difficult and unfavorable conditions. Total theft and open betrayal of the "elite" not only the interests of the Russian world, but also the state. The lack of tanks, shells, equipment, adequate leadership and simply human resources at the front.

    Theft, sabotage, irresponsibility and betrayal flourish in the rear (one of the manifestations of which was the "gestures of goodwill", the surrender of Kherson, "meat assaults" and the list goes on). Behind external "stability" under the sanctions pressure of the West, there is an economic decline, rising prices, an accelerated sale of Russian resources to the USA, Great Britain, Turkey, and China. Worst of all, while Russian soldiers are fighting at the front, there is an accelerated pumping of the country with millions of migrants alien to the Russian population, who exacerbate the interethnic, criminogenic situation to the limit, and also bring with them drug trafficking, terrorism and take away jobs from the indigenous population.

    In such conditions of the military and economic crisis of Russia, brought to ruin and despair by 30 years of liberal rule, a military-political alliance with China, a full-scale Chinese military-technical assistance in the form of tanks, MLRS, ammunition, gunpowder, machine tools, electronics are urgently needed. That is, the implementation of the back-to-back policy in the face of unprecedented Western aggression. Russia did not receive any of this.

    Russian economist and Duma deputy Mikhail Delyagin spoke very clearly and succinctly about the true reasons for the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hfZocsFR0A0).

    Indeed, China got everything it wanted from Russia, without committing itself to any official obligations, confining itself to chattering about strategic partnership, Western pressure, and deepening economic cooperation. Some deliveries of critically needed products, no doubt, will be carried out to Russia. But in any case, this will be a minuscule amount of those needs that are needed by a warring country. China is not going to provide any full-scale lend-lease, like what the West opened for Ukrainian fascists, for Russia.

    But in the Russian "elite", cut off from the harsh reality and living in their own cozy little world of "cuts", "kickbacks" and total robbery, the visit of the Chinese leader, no doubt, caused a sigh of relief. From now on, Russia, instead of a raw material appendage of the West, is becoming a raw material appendage of China, and in the future, a spare "airfield" is already ready - a raw material appendage of Turkey. This means that you can continue to do nothing and parasitize on the resource economy, and there - at least the grass does not grow ...

    The situation of the First World War is repeated, when Russian soldiers fought for their Motherland with an extreme lack of everything and everything, without purpose and meaning, and at that time a crazy carnival was going on in the rear on "cuts", "kickbacks", military supplies, but they smoked hot with fumes and tobacco smoke, numerous restaurants where the top bathed in champagne and enjoyed life to the fullest.

    In order for China to become our ally and decide on a joint confrontation with the West, a strong Russia is needed, with the ideology of the Russian world, with a political elite (Russian and state in its worldview), with an image of the Future with a worthy Present. Power with a powerful economy, industry, army and military-industrial complex. A power in which the state-forming Russian people and other indigenous peoples are not dying out at a monstrous pace, but are flourishing and multiplying.

    And since nothing of the kind is observed in Russia, then the entire "alliance" with China turns into a humiliating "partnership" of a rider and a horse, where we only changed the western saddle to the Chinese one and remain driven by the reins of a raw material economy, shameful for a great country that worked for the good of the people, won the Great Patriotic War and opened the way to space for humanity.
  8. Rosemary
    Rosemary 24 March 2023 07: 51
    +11
    China's history also had its own NVO - in February 1979, Chinese troops crossed the Sino-Vietnamese border. It seemed that impoverished Vietnam, exhausted by the previous war with the United States, had no chance against a billion-strong China, three Vietnamese cities were quickly captured - the centers of the provinces, and Chinese troops slowly advanced towards Hanoi.

    At the same time, the Chinese met fierce resistance from the Vietnamese, and the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries began supplying weapons to Vietnam. The USSR then provided Vietnam with a total of 400 tanks and armored personnel carriers, 500 mortars and air defense artillery pieces, 50 BM-21 rocket launchers, 400 portable air defense systems, 800 anti-tank missiles and 20 jet fighters. In addition, between 1979 and 5000 Soviet military advisers were stationed in Vietnam in 8000 to train Vietnamese soldiers.
    Deliveries went both by air and by sea, and China did not touch Soviet ships. Moreover, the USSR sent 15 ships of the Pacific Fleet to the Vietnamese coast and deployed Soviet troops on the Sino-Soviet and Mongolian-Chinese border.

    After a month and a half of the war, it became clear that "everything went wrong", the Chinese ended the war, declaring their victory, and withdrew their troops from Vietnam, except for the disputed territories in the north and part of the Spratly Islands.

    Sino-Vietnamese armed clashes continued for another 10 years until 1990, and then China still defeated Vietnam, but not militarily, but economically - now China's trade with Vietnam is higher than China's trade with Russia. In 2021, trade between China and Russia was $147 billion, while trade between China and Vietnam was $166 billion.
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 March 2023 07: 57
    +21
    During his years in office, Putin has torn the Russian economy to shreds. It is produced at a minimum, but there is nowhere to buy it. They did not want to prepare for a special operation. But even now, nothing is being done for the economy.
    Either we are ruled by the immortals, or they are already waiting over the hill with medals.
    And China is not even a partner, it is the owner, they are bringing tribute from the Kremlin.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 March 2023 08: 18
      -25
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: Gardamir
      During his years in office, Putin has torn the Russian economy to shreds.

      Is that what Putin did? And then I naively thought that Obama did it. laughing
      Putin accepted the gas station country, and made it with armats and Poseidons.

      Quote: Gardamir
      And China is not even a partner, it is the owner, they are bringing tribute from the Kremlin.

      It is vital for the West to quarrel us with China. Just like they set Ukraine against us, they dream of setting us against China. Only in this case, the hegemon will prolong its agony, not for long.

      Gardamir, on whose mill are you pouring water? It's time to decide already - are you for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 March 2023 08: 50
        +16
        Still a gas station, but there is a problem with valves.
        Fight with China? God forbid. The Kremlin is even now trading with Ukraine.
        I am for the state. For a strong Russia!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 24 March 2023 08: 59
          -23
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Gardamir
          but there is a problem with armatures.

          Armata is the tank of the future, ahead of its time. Many technologies worked out on it are effectively used on other tanks (breakthrough). We have entire fields of mothballed armored vehicles. They need to go somewhere. They made them a "body kit" and they fight excellently. By the way, the chassis has not changed in all samples.

          Quote: Gardamir
          The Kremlin is even now trading with Ukraine.

          Does the Kremlin interfere in the economic life of the state?
          Name at least one Decree on this topic.

          Quote: Gardamir
          I am for the state. For a strong Russia!

          Me too. Putin is making our dreams come true.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 March 2023 10: 13
            +14
            What orders do you always ask? Guess at once how much money the Kremlin paid Kyiv for transporting gas through Ukraine?
            Putin is still a liberal who hates the Soviet past of his homeland. As for the rest, the faithful heir to the Yeltsin cause.
          2. gsev
            gsev 24 March 2023 14: 08
            +6
            Quote: Boris55
            Does the Kremlin interfere in the economic life of the state?

            In 2017, Putin and Lavrov introduced harsh sanctions against the DPRK and immediately established criminal liability for their violation. Do you know a lot of Russian citizens who have suffered real punishment for financing the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Has the property of the Galkins-Pugachevs been confiscated?
          3. lis-ik
            lis-ik 24 March 2023 15: 19
            +8
            Quote: Boris55
            duck makes our dreams come true.

            He makes his dreams and those around him come true.
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    2. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 24 March 2023 08: 52
      +6
      .China is not even a partner, he is the owner, he is being brought tribute from the Kremlin
      in many ways it is, I wonder - what will the comrades who admire socialist-communist China say?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 March 2023 10: 07
        +8
        By the way, yes, if exploitation of man by man is allowed in China, then what kind of communists are they.
        1. gsev
          gsev 24 March 2023 14: 22
          -5
          Quote: Gardamir
          By the way, yes, if exploitation of man by man is allowed in China, then what kind of communists are they.

          In the United States, slaves on plantations were well fed, and on Stalin's collective farms, people worked for sticks for years because you were not dispossessed or sent to hard labor. Mobilization in the FZU also took place with elements of coercion. Of course, the Fabzaites were not driven in shackles like Negroes in Angola, Zanzibar and Mozambique, but they could be imprisoned with their parents for escaping from the vocational school to their homeland. For absenteeism or being late for more than half an hour, a 6-month hard labor was supposed. This is the Socialism of Stalin's times.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 25 March 2023 10: 36
            +2
            Did the Mlechin tell you, or did he read it in Ogonyok? It's called discipline. The country was building an economy, preparing for war for survival. What kind of freelancing is possible here? Every cog in the mechanism, including Stalin himself. Which in what went, in that and buried.
            PS: hard labor is a system of punishment in the Republic of Ingushetia. In the USSR, such terms, 6 months, did not seem to exist. This is something very modern in a gay European way.
            1. gsev
              gsev 26 March 2023 06: 01
              -1
              Quote: Essex62
              Did the Mlechin tell you, or did he read it in Ogonyok?

              My grandmother told about the Stalinist times on the collective farm, about the Stalinist order in the factories, a worker who came to the "Red Proletarian" during the war. A classmate was told by colleagues at the NPO named after Lavochkin. Vivid memories of them. The lady machine operator at the factory several times sat for absenteeism. She works and sleeps at home for six months in the wild, then she wants to sleep an extra hour in the morning so much that she exchanges six months of captivity for an extra hour of morning sleep and then for six months after work she is locked in a prison at the flagship of the Soviet aircraft industry.
      2. gsev
        gsev 24 March 2023 14: 15
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir80
        .China is not even a partner, he is the owner, he is being brought tribute from the Kremlin
        in many ways it is, I wonder - what will the comrades who admire socialist-communist China say?

        Tribute to the firm Schneider Putin paid 3 times more through all sorts of Alrosa and structures affiliated with them. The frequency converter from Schneider, even before the start of the special operation, cost in rubles 2 times more than a similar one from China. Xi Jingping during the visit persuaded Putin to open the Russian market for automotive, oil refining, woodworking and aircraft manufacturing for the supply of Chinese components. This alone will cause economic damage to NATO countries more than all the counter-sanctions imposed by Putin so far. In addition, China is just as sensitive about the supply of Russian weapons to India, Vietnam and Myanmar, as Russia is about the supply of Chinese drones to Ukraine.
        1. Vladimir80
          Vladimir80 24 March 2023 16: 20
          +3
          deliveries of Russian weapons to India, Vietnam

          it's okay, the United States took care that there were no more such supplies ....
          1. gsev
            gsev 26 March 2023 06: 05
            0
            Quote: Vladimir80
            it's okay, the United States took care that there were no more such supplies ....

            US-supplied weapons to Vietnam and India cannot be used in Ukraine against the Russians. If earlier Russia held back the PRC in Myanmar, India and Vietnam, now the US and France are forced to do it on their own.
  10. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 24 March 2023 08: 01
    +1
    Moscow needs Beijing more than Beijing needs Moscow.
    Beijing also needs Moscow as a supplier of cheap resources, no matter how close.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 March 2023 08: 19
      +9
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Moscow needs Beijing more than Beijing needs Moscow.
      Beijing also needs Moscow as a supplier of cheap resources, no matter how close.

      Russia will be a supplier of cheap resources in any development of events. Therefore, China does not care here
      1. Vladimir80
        Vladimir80 24 March 2023 08: 48
        +2
        Yes, but if China is the main buyer "on the cheap" they will make great money on resale!
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 24 March 2023 08: 48
      +4
      And what - someone on the planet does not need cheap resources? Someone out of altruism is ready to pay for them as dearly as possible?
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 24 March 2023 12: 20
        +5
        We don’t need them along the way, we will sell them, but we will buy goods made from them
        1. Seafood
          Seafood 30 March 2023 11: 02
          0
          They sell not because they are "not needed", but because there is nothing else to offer. Well, what are the current competitive industries that we could export? Military commissar - and so it is already exported in full; the nuclear industry is the same; the space industry was also exported to the fullest before. That's all, the main "monetary" export items like cars, household appliances, electronics, etc. in Russia they are not developed because there was no Soviet backlog for them or it was weak.
  11. Million
    Million 24 March 2023 08: 10
    +3
    Russia should rely only on itself. The whole world is looking at us.
    As our power will show itself, so the whole world will treat Russia.
    So far, nothing good is coming.
  12. Boris55
    Boris55 24 March 2023 08: 38
    -14
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: V. Biryukov
    China's trade with the European Union and the United States in 2022 amounted to $1,6 trillion, which is 8 times more than trade with Russia, which is $190 billion

    Are we playing with numbers? And how do you if these numbers are divided per capita, which are in China and here? Won't the picture you draw look completely reversed? China ~120t. per capita, Russia ~1 million per capita. How do you like this calculation? laughing
    1. gsev
      gsev 26 March 2023 06: 11
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      Russia ~1 million per capita. How do you like this calculation?

      $190 billion is about $1250 per Russian, not much at all.
    2. Sumotori_380
      Sumotori_380 27 March 2023 10: 08
      0
      Didn't understand. Then you really need to divide the value of China's trade with the West by the population of the West. And the trade turnover between China and Russia-on the population of the Russian Federation. But even so, what does that prove? If the conditional Mauritius buys from China twice as much per capita as the United States, this does not mean that it is a more important trading partner for China. A supplier of bottled water is much more important as a buyer of a plant with 2000 jobs than Vasya Pupkin - even if Vasya buys this water per capita 10 times more
  13. paul3390
    paul3390 24 March 2023 08: 45
    +1
    one of the main consumers of Ukrainian grain is China

    And what? Is Russia not able to replace these volumes for him? What's the problem?
  14. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 24 March 2023 08: 46
    +1
    Thanks for the article, sensible and discreet!
  15. Tikhonov_Alexander
    Tikhonov_Alexander 24 March 2023 08: 51
    +19
    When the Chinese spoke, summing up the results of the visit, the expression on the face of our leader was so drooping that it seemed that he was about to burst into tears. And all our officials had gloomy, puzzled faces... If we evaluate the announced results of the visit, it is completely unclear what the leaders agreed on for about 5 hours (instead of the planned 1,5) on the first day of the meeting. The Chinese plan for resolving the conflict absolutely does not take into account the fundamental requirements of Russia's security. And it is absolutely clear that these Asians are pursuing only their own goals. Relations between Russia and China are far from equal. Our government makes the same mistake as the notorious Gorbi, then EBN, who surrendered everything that the West demanded, spitting on the primordial interests of the Russian people. Now the authorities are changing their vassal dependence on the Anglo-Saxons for, perhaps, a more terrible dependence on the Chinese. It is not known what the Chinese demanded. But it is clear that there will be no significant help. China will continue to comply with the US sanctions requirements for Russia - there is no doubt. And you need to rely only on your own strength, and not waste your resources on all supposedly allies - Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Armenians and other former ones. Their true guises were well revealed after the collapse of the Union, but our government did not even have a hint to demand repentance for their bullying of the Russian speakers.
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 24 March 2023 13: 54
      +6
      I never believed that I see with my own eyes ... A Chinese in the Kremlin looks at the President of Russia as an ambassador of the Horde at Prince Moskovsky ...
  16. Serge
    Serge 24 March 2023 09: 03
    -8
    Did not read. The title itself is absolutely not the correct conclusion from the visit.
    1. KolVisin
      KolVisin 24 March 2023 10: 38
      -14
      Quite right. The results of the visit should be discussed globally. Redistribution of spheres of influence, the end of the pro-American world. And they impose "shell hunger" on us.
  17. Constantine N
    Constantine N 24 March 2023 09: 40
    +9
    it is doubtful that the military-industrial complex of Russia alone will cope in Ukraine. In the west, it is 10 times more and supplies have just begun to get for the APU.
  18. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 24 March 2023 12: 33
    -7
    Following international law, the new territories of the Russian Federation are the territory of Ukraine, does this mean that the PRC offers Russia to surrender under Chinese guarantees?

    This means that a Ukrainian (Russian allied) government should be formed on new territories. Nothing more. In addition, the neutral status of the two Ukrainian states should be beaten, without foreign bases and the reduction of their armed forces.
    The best outcome for Russia is hard to come up with.
    1. ugos
      ugos 27 March 2023 10: 43
      0
      On your advice, 2 more Bulgaria will appear, ''brothers'' of which will also be at enmity and fight with Russia for the whole new history.
  19. far diu
    far diu 24 March 2023 13: 28
    -9
    In the conditions in which Russia finds itself, it is Beijing that Moscow needs more, and not Moscow that Beijing needs.


    Disagree. Without Russia, China will be surrounded on all sides, and, secondly, will be completely cut off from resources and food. Remember what happened during the trade war with Australia? - There have been rolling blackouts in many cities in China. Now rearrange what will happen if Russia does not cooperate with China, and the United States, Canada, Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, most of Latin America, and most of the EU countries, the Philippines, Vietnam, India, impose an embargo on technology, resources, food, trade (and without Russia, all these countries will certainly enter).

    Given that the United States is building microchip factories at its own pace as fast as possible (by 2030, chips will be produced in the United States 3 times more than in Taiwan, but perhaps the final result will be delayed by 5 years), they are also very quickly restoring a difficult industry, and low value-added industry will be moved to Mexico, India, Southeast Asia, China will not be needed by 2030 for the Anglo-Saxon bloc.

    Therefore, China needs Russia more than Russia needs China. Russia will be able to live without China, as a last resort, but China cannot. Strategically for 10-20 years and tactically in this decade, China has more from Russia than Russia has from China.

    The strategic task of Russia is to put China on the resource needle as quickly as possible, and then to benefit in the form of their industry and technology.

    Regarding the strategy, then I have disturbing news. Russia's mistake is that an agreement on scientific cooperation in nuclear energy was signed during Xi's visit. Given that Russia has this only real technological trump card, it is actually being sold to China for next to nothing. China, on the basis of a scientific base, will eventually reverse technologies and then it will not need Russia in this area. If the sale of resources, food, the construction of infrastructure is good (under conditions if the inhabitants of Russia do it), then the sale of technology to China is a strategic mistake (apparently, no one in the government cares).
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 24 March 2023 14: 01
      +9
      Russia's mistake is that an agreement on scientific cooperation in nuclear energy was signed during Xi's visit

      so China seems to be building nuclear power plants on its own, not only at home but in other countries ...
      1. far diu
        far diu 24 March 2023 14: 16
        +2
        China depends on CFR-600 reactors, and in the future will depend on BN-600 and BN-800. When they learn how to build these reactors through ''cooperation'', China will no longer need Russia.
        1. Vladimir80
          Vladimir80 24 March 2023 16: 22
          +4
          maybe you are right, explain at the same time what is the breakthrough of these BN-600, BN-800 ... it seems that in the USA they do fine without them
          1. far diu
            far diu 24 March 2023 17: 50
            -1
            BN-600 and BN-800 are currently the only fast neutron power reactors, the meaning of which is the reproduction of fuel. Both occupy the leading police in terms of power. In the US, EU, China, there are no such reactors. They have reactors of the previous generation.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 25 March 2023 08: 35
              0
              The Chinese with AP-1500 rectors look in bewilderment. winked
              1. far diu
                far diu 25 March 2023 17: 07
                0
                Did you even understand what you wrote? The so-called ''AP-1500'' by you, even Google does not know. Before you write, ask about the topic
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 27 March 2023 08: 57
                  0
                  I'm sorry, the Chinese decided to add one letter to the American name and failed a bit with power.
                  In December 2009, a Chinese joint venture was established to build the first CAP1400 reactor next to the HTR-PM at the Shidao Bay Nuclear Power Plant. [40] [44] Site preparation began in 2015 and progress was expected to be approved by the end of the year. [45] [46] In March 2017, the first CAP1400 reactor pressure vessel was pressure tested. [47] Equipment for the CAP1400 is under construction and, as of 2020, pre-construction is underway. [48] ​​[49]

                  In February 2019, the Shanghai Nuclear Engineering Research and Design Institute announced the start of the CAP1700 conceptual design process.
    2. Sumotori_380
      Sumotori_380 27 March 2023 10: 11
      0
      Europe has already been hooked) China sees this and therefore diversifies energy suppliers
  20. nickname7
    nickname7 24 March 2023 13: 45
    0
    China proposed its 12-point peace plan back in February, calling for an end to hostilities and "abandoning the Cold War mentality."

    The West is categorically against this peace plan. As Blinken said, the conquered territories will be ratified and remain in the Russian Federation, this cannot be allowed.
  21. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 24 March 2023 14: 38
    +1
    China thinks about its own interests, Russia about its own, we do not have slaves, like the United States, so we rely only on ourselves.
  22. bandabas
    bandabas 24 March 2023 16: 06
    +1
    West is West, East is East, and together they will never come together. And then there is the South. And, "chunga-changu" hasn't been danced there for a long time.
  23. acetophenone
    acetophenone 24 March 2023 17: 50
    +2
    The Chinese settlement plan is obviously demagogic. Judging by what was published, "comrade Xi" stopped by purely to promote.
  24. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 24 March 2023 18: 43
    +3
    But what, did China once sign something militarily with Russia (we don’t take arms supplies from Russia)? Qi's arrival showed nothing new, except that he loves the Kremlin's ice cream and builds a policy that is beneficial to China and to him personally. Pure business
  25. runway-1
    runway-1 24 March 2023 20: 04
    +3
    The author wrote a very objective and reasonably reasonable article (as usual). Yes, and the normal materials of the Western media are soberly considered.
    Many experts pin certain hopes on China, believing, in particular, that it will increase support for Russia in connection with the ongoing special military operation in Ukraine, and secretly or openly begin to provide military assistance
    And some political scientists generally "suffered" and they began to excitedly carry game about imminent military supplies from China to the Russian Federation ...
    However, it does not seem that Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping have reached any "breakthrough" agreements.
    That's right!
    In the conditions in which Russia found itself, it is Beijing that Moscow needs more, and not Moscow that Beijing needs
    Yes, and it was obvious, and even before the visit in question!
  26. Glagol1
    Glagol1 24 March 2023 21: 11
    -2
    China's mission in international affairs is not to support Russia on every occasion. China looks after its own interests first and foremost. This is fine. But! The important aspect is that China is next to us, look at how they vote in the UN. When you have a secure rear, and it's easier at the front! I am sure that we are not yet at the peak of our ties. A foreign trade turnover of $190 billion in 2022 is not a lot. So do not sprinkle ashes on your head - just do not demand from China that he thinks only of Russia. We ourselves must. And China is nearby, they are our friends and partners, and we need to hold on to each other.
  27. shark507
    shark507 24 March 2023 23: 05
    -1
    Was the author personally present at the talks?
    Does he know exactly what was discussed?
  28. Maks1995
    Maks1995 24 March 2023 23: 08
    +5
    And the photo with Lavrov and Medvedev laughing behind the backs of the SI and VVP demonstrates that the elite just sneeze at all this
  29. Alex Barrett
    Alex Barrett 24 March 2023 23: 11
    +3
    According to the kitchen-sofa logic, it is generally beneficial for the Chinese that the war never ends. NATO forces are pulled east, Russian efforts are directed there, and China is collecting cream, occasionally pouring gasoline on the fire so that the conflict does not go out completely and diligently studying the mistakes of the parties and amending its military doctrine
  30. crossbow
    crossbow 24 March 2023 23: 44
    +1
    Therefore, in the military conflict in Ukraine, Russia can only rely on itself.
    .... and first of all on its nuclear potential.
    1. Fedor1
      Fedor1 25 March 2023 07: 01
      0
      in the meantime, there is a large army and you can continue to live as before before the NWO
  31. ivan2022
    ivan2022 25 March 2023 03: 59
    +2
    An amazing discovery, for those who have been hoping for 30 years that Russia can count on "growing into the civilization of the West."

    The impression is that our society periodically falls into delusional states, and then comes to its senses with surprise. It already looks like a clinic in its purest form.
  32. Ermak_Timofeich
    Ermak_Timofeich 25 March 2023 04: 27
    -4
    Article from the field "Every ground squirrel is an agronomist". And when reading the comments, one gets the impression that the "Military Review" was occupied by cissists and clinical idiots.
  33. Fedor1
    Fedor1 25 March 2023 06: 57
    +2
    everyone dies alone gentlemen!
  34. flicker
    flicker 25 March 2023 17: 21
    -3
    Yeah, well, here comes the analytics.
    About such an "analytics" a couple of days ago in Tsargrad they wrote:
    An expert on China predicted the most likely response from the West to the alliance between Russia and China.

    Ruslan Karmanov, a lecturer at an IT center in Hong Kong, an expert on China, is sure that the panic in the West, which arose due to the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Moscow, has subsided. Blows will follow and they will have to be answered.

    Karmanov easily and clearly cites the forms of "political struggle" traditional for the West. The most common are three.

    Method one: "Scandalous wife"

    The significance of President Xi's visit to Russia in the West will be reduced by all means. The goals of Russia and China will be hushed up, false goals will be assigned to them, or rather, those goals pursued by the West.

    "This is a childish divorce, the level of a scandalous wife, well, when" So you went to the store, bought everything on the list, but did not buy tomatoes, but you could have guessed that you need tomatoes, well, that is, you went in vain, completely pointless, only time lost,” Karmanov describes West’s political technology.

    The simplest example, Western politicians of all stripes are already resorting to it: China should have put pressure on Russia to make peace in Ukraine. I didn’t press, so the whole visit was about nothing, it was in vain. But neither China nor Russia needs any peace on the terms of the West.

    Method two: "Pronounced with anguish"

    Western political technologists will convince their politicians to put pressure on particulars in the negotiations between Beijing and Moscow and to belittle these particulars with all their might. Say - they talked about nonsense, nothing serious happened.

    "Let's say they signed something about space -" oh, what nonsense, but is it up to space now, babonki "(pronounced with tragedy and anguish)," the expert describes the technology. - "You see such visits - understand that this is just a way to reduce anything to nonsense."

    Method three: "Delirium of an overvalued idea"

    The political technologies of the West imply one more method, which has long been beaten and known to experienced politicians. This is when they try to captivate the public with complete nonsense. But necessarily conspiracy, strange and inadequate. In psychiatry, this is called "nonsense of an overvalued idea."

    “The conditional YouTube publicist Vasya, by zooming in on the frame, finds that Xi’s shoe laces are laced crosswise, while Putin’s are parallel. From this he draws – first, this is important! Russia is parallel to China's issues.

    The next days, Vasya runs like a madman and everywhere talks about the topic that this detail here is the main thing, it crosses everything out, it is a reflection of a Cunning Design and a Secret Signaling. Everything else, from the point of view of Vasya, who cherishes his conjecture like his own child, is unimportant garbage, because he himself found this first.

    “When you see such a move, you immediately understand that you can't expect an adequate assessment of events here,” Ruslan Karmanov sums up.
  35. Sergey Faraonov
    Sergey Faraonov 25 March 2023 17: 21
    +2
    It was sickening to watch how our people danced in front of the Chinese. It reminded me of Putin's visits to the regions of the COUNTRY, where officials danced in the same way in front of him.
  36. Illanatol
    Illanatol 26 March 2023 09: 13
    -1
    Therefore, in the military conflict in Ukraine, Russia can only rely on itself.


    And someone asked the PRC for direct military assistance?
    It is not needed, by and large. China is our business partner and that is quite enough.
  37. Scott Liang
    Scott Liang 27 March 2023 05: 39
    +2
    Russia and China cannot be political allies. If China and Russia become allies, who will be the leader? China's official ally is only North Korea, whose economy is 90% dependent on China. Of course, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar and Pakistan are half of China's allies.
  38. BorzRio
    BorzRio 27 March 2023 14: 55
    +1
    Absolutely right in the article. And it only confirms my opinion (which I do not impose on anyone) that the beginning of the NE operation in the form and time in which it began is erroneous. First of all, it was necessary to carry out colossal work on working with friendly countries, to clarify, agree, enlist support and assistance, even in exchange for something. Conduct a total reconnaissance of the territory of Ukraine, its armed forces, mobile resources, defense and specialized enterprises, energy, logistics. The mood of the population and so on. Prepare the army, even openly, conduct real military exercises, not ostentatious ones. Create stockpiles of BP, weapons, equipment. Immediately outline the most important goals - command posts, offices, warehouses, refineries, thermal power plants, airfields, communications, bridges and railway nodes. And do not shove yourself on the ground to the territory of Ukraine, but only go to the LDNR for their defense. Provoke an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on these republics and, fixing everything for the UN and others, inflict a crushing blow on previously identified stationary targets. And then to hit every day with missiles and aircraft at everything that is possible, but the emphasis is on air defense and energy with logistics. Now there would not be everything that we have - huge losses and endless war.
  39. Illanatol
    Illanatol 28 March 2023 13: 53
    0
    Quote: Doccor18
    Time works for China. China is learning, developing, getting richer, unlike most countries in the world. There is no hurry for China.


    Only thanks to the fact that there is Russia. If Russia does not become a sovereign state, the West will do everything to weaken and destroy the PRC. And active mutual trade will not interfere with this, as it has never interfered.
    Did England and Germany trade little on the eve of the First World War? Or did RI trade little with Germany or Austria-Hungary?

    China needs to hurry, and the Chinese are forced to hurry. And an ally of the PRC is very much needed, since a military coalition is already being assembled against it.
    I will keep silent about trade wars, American sanctions against Chinese corporations, a well-known fact.
  40. Ulum
    Ulum 28 March 2023 20: 20
    -1
    here today, as I understand it, is a meeting of "all-fingers". How much bile and stupid hatred. Or is it TsIPSOT? Crazy Alksnis, this, of course, is a great international expert