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Commandments of Ukrainian nationalism

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Commandments of Ukrainian nationalism
Source: politnavigator.net



Good and bad nationalism


Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. This is a very important factor in the self-awareness of the nation, the formation of a worldview and identity. A nation without nationalism is impossible in principle. Otherwise, it will turn into an amorphous consistency, united at best by greedy interests.

It is always required to subtly feel the edge and not slide into the abyss. The Germans and Italians failed and ended very badly. The Italians as a nation can still be conditionally considered, but the German people have turned into a typical international. Like the French, who at one time were recorded as the winners of German Nazism. It is not possible to balance the Ukrainian statehood. For more than a hundred years, local "patriots" have built their ideology around hatred of others. And these are not empty words picked up in kitchen conversations.

The Ten Commandments of the Ukrainian People's Party (UPN), dated 1903, contain, in particular, the following:

“All people are your brothers, but Muscovites, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and Jews are the enemies of our people as long as they rule over us and rob us. Ukraine is for Ukrainians! So, expel foreign oppressors from everywhere in Ukraine. Do not take a wife from strangers, because your children will be your enemies, do not be friends with the enemies of our people, because you give them strength and courage, do not impose along with our oppressors, because you will be a traitor.

This heresy was invented by the Kharkiv lawyer Mikhnovsky, who dreamed that some third generation of Ukrainians would live free. The first, respectively, was enslaved by the Poles, the second by the Russians.

Note that radical nationalism appeared in Ukraine much earlier than Italian fascism and German Nazism. It seems that the Western neighbors have written off the Mikhnovsky Code as if from tracing paper - here are calls for racial hygiene, and anti-Semitism, and slogans about deportation.

Someone will say that one cannot compare early Ukrainian nationalism with late Western European. The fact is that the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos. At first, there were relatively mild attempts to expel the Jews away from Germany, for example, to Madagascar.

What would happen if “Ukrainianism” was allowed to bloom in full force at the beginning of the last century?

A rhetorical question, which, nevertheless, is answered by the old newspaper "Ukrainian Khata" of 1912. In the June issue, published in Kyiv, you can read:

“The revival of Ukraine is synonymous with hatred for your wife, a Muscovite, for your children, Katsapchats, for your brothers and sisters, Katsaps, for your father and mother, Katsaps. Loving Ukraine means sacrificing Katsap relatives.”

In just four years, nationalists have grown from the denial of foreign nations to calls to kill. Naturally, the Russians should have been destroyed. A simple Ukrainian, firmly connected by family ties with Russia, was called upon to betray his family.


Source: zhenziyou.livejournal.com

It is worth fixing on one fact - the vast majority of the old nationalists of Ukraine were born, lived and worked in Galicia, Bukovina or Transcarpathia. These are the former Austro-Hungarian provinces with traditionally strong Russophobia. In the future, it is from the west that the miases of “Ukrainianism” will spread throughout the country.

Let's move on to 1926. In Ukraine, "Nationalism" comes out of print under the authorship of Dmitry Dontsov. In modern Russia, he is rightly considered the founder of Ukrainian fascism and is prohibited from distributing his work. In his appeals, Dontsov went so far as to destroy Moscow's "rabid wolves".

Then everything is as according to Mein Kampf - a nation must be established through expansion and suppression of others, and life is possible only in the eternal struggle of nations. By the way, he was constantly confused in concepts - where is the race, and where is the nation. Based on the ideas of Dontsov, a certain Stepan Lenkavsky, a member of the OUN banned in Russia, developed new commandments or the "Decalogue of the Ukrainian Nationalist." In one of the editions you can read the following:

“Do not hesitate to commit the most terrible crime,” if the good of the Cause requires it… You will accept the enemies of your nation with hatred and deceit… You will fight to expand the strength, glory, wealth and space of the Ukrainian state, even by enslaving strangers.”

Dontsov at home in Melitopol even built a memorial plaque. In May last year, it was replaced with a memorial plaque in honor of Lieutenant General of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs Pavel Sudoplatov.

Imaginary "Ukrainian"


But these are all marginals, the attentive reader will say. Official science and culture in Ukraine has always denied nationalist motives. Not at all. For example, Professor of Lviv University Mikhail Grushevsky, gently and gently explained with historical point of view that Kievan Rus was the first independent power. And the successor was not Vladimir-Suzdal land, but Galicia-Volyn.

By the way, according to Hrushevsky, the Ukrainians, unlike the Russians, descended from the ancient Antes. What kind of state ideology can we talk about if people like Grushevsky were elected full members of the USSR Academy of Sciences. He, of course, was pinned down in 1931, but was soon released. Didn't seem dangerous. It is Grushevsky who considers most of the nationalists to be their ideological Fuhrer. Of course, after Bandera banned in Russia.


The second time Ukrainian nationalism in the worst sense of the word raised its head was in 1991, when Kravchuk began to rewrite the history of the newly minted state. No one has ever been against the rallying of the people around the national idea. For example, Israelis come to realize that they are united in large part due to the suffering of the Holocaust. And in Ukraine they came up with their own genocide - these are decades of the Soviet period. Only by opposing themselves to Russia and Russians could Ukrainians thirty years ago see themselves as one.

Kravchuk perfectly understood what he was doing and what kind of bomb he was putting under his country. It was because of him and Leonid Kuchma, who became famous for the book "Ukraine is not Russia", that such miasma appeared as the party "Freedom" led by the Nazi Tyagnibok. He proclaimed the Ukrainians the titular nation, called to withdraw from all pro-Russian organizations, restore "Galicia", rehabilitate the OUN / UPA banned in the Russian Federation and identify these traitors with veterans of the Great Patriotic War. And it was far before the Maidan - in 2004.

Even earlier - in 1999, under Kuchma, the "Trident named after Stepan Bandera" was born under the authorship of Yarosh. He directly copied the Ten Commandments of the Ukrainian People's Party of the 1903 model. Russians “either have to go through the process of ‘Ukrainization’, i.e., renounce their native language and ‘imperial’, ‘chauvinist’ heritage, or leave Ukraine.

Remember the brinkmanship of the nationalists? So, somewhere at the turn of the century, the balance was finally lost. Nationalists have become the ultimate outcasts. It could not be otherwise - these are the laws of society and nature. If a person is pumped with poison for a long time, he will eventually become poisonous.

As a result, we see the so-called ultra-nationalist state of the 2014 model, which has now not only distanced itself from Russia, but has also become openly hostile. Fascist signs have changed - now the main enemy is not a Jew, but a Russian. This allows the nationalists to successfully masquerade as the famous:

"We are not fascists - we have a Jewish president."

Yes, and the Jew Kolomoisky brought him to power. But the Nazi symbols did not disappear, but, on the contrary, began to spread throughout the power structures of Ukraine. Examples of banned in Russia "Azov" and "Edelweiss" is a clear confirmation of this.

All of the above illustrates one thesis - nationalism has become the driving force of Ukraine. Decades of encouragement and indulgence made the ordinary Ukrainian die not for his home and family, but for the right to be part of the West in defiance of Russia. This, of course, is the strength of our enemy, which cannot be ignored.
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  1. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 03: 40
    +17
    for the right to be part of the West in spite of Russia
    In Nice, there are already more Ukrainians wandering the streets than Arabs (!). By the way, quite combat-ready men are also present - about 50/50 with children and women. In Genoa, about the same, although there are still fewer of them.
    1. Comrade
      Comrade 23 March 2023 04: 11
      +26
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      By the way, quite combat-ready men are also present - about 50/50 with children and women

      And this is good - the more conscripts "take off" from Ukraine, the more difficult it will be for Zele to replenish the thinning units under the same Artyomovsk.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 04: 23
        +16
        replenish thinning parts
        The opening of the borders for "refugees" by the EU was not even a shot, but a burst in the legs - they thought that as a result of a palace coup, Russia would collapse in a couple of months. Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.
        1. Comrade
          Comrade 23 March 2023 04: 50
          +7
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.

          I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.
          Are Afghans and other parasites sent home? So these will be sent. They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it. There are no hostilities in Western Ukraine, so go there.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 04: 57
            +13
            deportations can come
            This requires at least some, but the world. Otherwise, all conventions prohibit their deportation.
            work permit will not be renewed
            В настоящий момент (прошел год) во Франции работает лишь 5% прибежавших цеевропецев. Те,кого СВО застала на работе в Польше и Чехии, работу в большинстве своем бросили и по бесплатным билетам беганули в более развитые страны, и явно не за работой. Как мне один нелегал в Лондоне говорил, мы едем в Европу жить как люди, а не работать как ослы yes .
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 23 March 2023 08: 01
              +13
              Then everything is as according to Mein Kampf - a nation must be established through expansion and suppression of others, and life is possible only in the eternal struggle of nations.
              Do not think that something new has been invented in Mein Kampf.
              Excuse me, but in this sense, "Mein Kampf" is far from the Talmud with its centuries-old laws for "God's chosen" Jews and the holy book "Tania" of the Hasidim.
              Moreover, this truth about Zionism is taboo in the world! Why do you think? By the way, thanks to M.S. Gorbachev. Namely.

              On the personal initiative of M. S. Gorbachev UN December 16, 1991 at the 74th plenary session by the resolution of the UN General Assembly A/RES/46/86 recognized resolution 3379 (XXX) VOID, in which ZIONISM is recognized by the whole world as a form of racism and racial discrimination (h_ttp://www.un.org/russian/Docs/journal/asp/ws.asp?m=A/RES/46/86).
              UN Resolution 3379 classifying Zionism as a form of racism, built NOT from scratch - it is the SUMMARY OF A WHOLE SERIES OF RESOLUTIONS, adopted by the General Assembly itself. All of these resolutions DECAMATED Israel's actions as RASCIST, starting with GA resolution 2546 of 1969, as well as other resolutions - 2727 of 1970, resolution 3005 of 1972, resolution 3092 of 1973 and resolution 3246 of 1974. All of these resolutions condemn Israeli violations of human rights in the occupied Arab territories. This is not the end of the matter, as many other resolutions have been passed condemning racism in Israel up to the present day.

              The last President of the USSR M.S. Gorbachev-Garber on June 15, 1992 stated in the Israeli Knesset:
              "ZIONISM fought against communism and ZIONISM won, and communism ceased to exist."
              In other words, according to Gorbachev, what Hitler fought in the Third Reich - against the Jews and communists in the USSR / Russia - the victory over the USSR in 1991 was eventually won by the "God-chosen" Ziononists.

              При этом достаточно вспомнить в том числе и 8-милетний ГЕНОЦИД русского народа в Украине со стороны бандеро-киевского режима в лице ставленников Вашингтона - нацистов-русофобов и ВОЕННЫХ ПРЕСТУПНИКОВ на самом верху киевского режима в лице именно евреев: Зеленского, Резникова, Шмыгаля и др. евреев - правителей Украины, так или иначе связвнных с США и Израилем.

              Therefore, the statement of the Ukronazis who sold themselves to pro-American Jews in power "above"",
              “We are not fascists – we have a Jewish president”
              does not climb into any gate!.
              1. victor50
                victor50 23 March 2023 08: 38
                -18
                Feel free to add everyone you don't like to this gallery with stars - the Jews are to blame for all your troubles! lol
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 March 2023 09: 27
                  +11
                  Quote: victor50
                  Feel free to add everyone you don't like to this gallery with stars - the Jews are to blame for all your troubles! lol

                  What about "like" or "dislike"? What matters is what they do.
                  They are all involved in their affairs in Ukraine in the GENOCIDE of the Russian people on ethnic grounds.
                  Do you want in their person to JUSTIFY the GENOCIDE, as such, organized by them in Ukraine over the Russian people and the Russian-speaking population?

                  Why do you think I have no right to speak out against this arbitrariness of the authorities of the Nazi regime in Kyiv and war crimes on their part? Why?!
                  Ask yourself - your conscience, if you have it! Why?
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 23 March 2023 19: 22
                    +2
                    Мне не понравилось вот это "в 1991 году в конце концов одержали "богоизбранные" сиононисты." Считаю унизительным для русских все валить на евреев. Задумайтесь: где мы тогда были? Почему позволяли евреям творить то, что вы им приписываете? Мы, вообще, когда-нибудь бываем "причем"? Или, по вашему, нами манипулируют все, кому не лень? Так и будем искать виноватых во всех наших бедах, пока не научимся отвечать за то, что сами делаем. Впрочем, зачем это я? Еще ни разу не было, чтобы уверовавшие в подобные теории пытались задуматься и разобраться в реальности.
                  2. victor50
                    victor50 23 March 2023 23: 22
                    -1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Do you want in their person to JUSTIFY the GENOCIDE, as such, organized by them in Ukraine over the Russian people and the Russian-speaking population?

                    A stamp instead of a serious analysis of the causes. And the Russians by nationality, the inhabitants of Ukraine, are not now fighting against us? Back in 15, I knew a Russian military commissar who said that he would go to war against us, although his son and grandchildren were Russian citizens of Russia. Genocide? Some kind of transcendent hatred of a Russian towards Russia. And he's not the only one, alas. And they are fighting for the world, built, in your words, by the Jews against the Russians. By the way, maybe, it seems to me, but the call for denazification has disappeared from officialdom. Stamps and a primitive explanation of the situation instead of a thoughtful analysis never help to solve the situation as you want.
                2. QuestionsNeudobny
                  QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 11: 57
                  +6
                  Feel free to add everyone you don't like to this gallery with stars - the Jews are to blame for all your troubles!

                  ty, what about? does it really hurt someone's eyes?!

                  wherever you hear the crunch of rubles
                  or a penny drips loudly
                  a Jew sits nearby
                  or at least a Jewess.
                  Igor Guberman
                  Jewish poet is also unacceptable?
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 12: 18
                    0
                    Igor Guberman
                    Satirist (and drunk yes ). Wouldn't you, on the basis of his rhymes-gariks, assert that homosexuals can give birth to children? And he wrote about it.
                  2. victor50
                    victor50 23 March 2023 19: 27
                    0
                    Quote from: QuestionsNeudobny
                    ty, what about? does it really hurt someone's eyes?!

                    And to whom? And where is this truth? Are you sure of the infallibility of your own delusions?!
                3. Beregovic_1
                  Beregovic_1 26 March 2023 09: 24
                  -1
                  Перерастет товарищ это кривляние. Это возрастное, я тоже лет 15 назад читал УРБ, смотрел фотки с евреями и тд. Легче всего винить других в своих бедах, в том, что не учился в школе, не добился на работе. И национальная тема очень популярна, особенно антисемитизм. К слову, сионисты реально есть, и они реально зло, но не все евреи - сионисты. Человека надо судить по делам и лучше составить собственное мнение, а не вешать ярлыки по национальности. Всё радикально настроенные антисемиты тоже фашистики, но пока весь пар в гудок выходит - не опасные. Но это не значит, что контора не бдит))))
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 11: 23
                +1
                "Mein Kampf" is far from the Talmud with its centuries-old laws for "God's chosen" Jews and the holy book "Taniya" of the Hasidim.
                Wow, did you read all these books to the end? lol ? Or did you find a free retelling online?
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 23 March 2023 08: 08
              +6
              As one illegal immigrant in London told me, we are going to Europe to live like people, and not work like donkeys
              Well, if these "unfortunate refugees" do not go for work, but for a beautiful life, then, I believe, they will soon be greatly disappointed, unless, of course, the host country pursues an adequate domestic policy. So far, this policy is not visible. Hopefully just for now.
            3. Comrade
              Comrade 24 March 2023 01: 51
              +2
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              This requires at least some, but the world. Otherwise, all conventions prohibit their deportation.

              So it is true, but in Poland not so long ago there was talk that it would be nice to send citizens of Ukraine of military age back, let them fight. It seems that even a deadline has been set for when it can begin.
              If the West needs something, it will not hesitate to wipe itself with any conventions.

              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              As one illegal immigrant in London told me, we are going to Europe to live like people, and not work like donkeys

              Well said.
              In Canada they are given three thousand per nose, so uk-ry is brought down in a stream especially for the sake of this money. They will arrive, live in a hotel for two weeks at the expense of Canadian taxpayers, receive three thousand and that's it, they go back. Round-trip tickets are free.
              You look at all this, and you feel like a helpless sucker who is being robbed by the state in order to give my money to uk-ram
              And don’t even dare to be indignant at the same time, otherwise you will fall into the "Putin's agents" right away.
          2. Machito
            Machito 23 March 2023 06: 44
            +5
            Quote: Comrade
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.

            I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.
            Are Afghans and other parasites sent home? So these will be sent. They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it. There are no hostilities in Western Ukraine, so go there.

            Не удивлюсь, если скоро украинцев в Евросоюзе станут арестовывать, и в наручниках отправлять на фронт, чтобы ВС РФ отправила их к Бандере. am
          3. Li17
            Li17 23 March 2023 06: 45
            +2
            Quote: Comrade
            I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.

            I wouldn't think so. The folk gathered there cunning and arrogant, I know some of the former. More than that, able to think and work. Even if they are squeezed into a corner ..., given the realities, they can go to the service. the calculation is simple, for now and then, the war in Ukraine will end, at least the hot phase!
          4. Kepka
            Kepka 23 March 2023 09: 14
            +2
            This process has been going on for more than a day, surprisingly, but they started from Poland))) I know not from the Internet, from my friends ... who, of course, are terribly unhappy
            1. Eug
              Eug 23 March 2023 09: 38
              +2
              Там очень многих не трогают по медицинским показателям (инвалид в семье), а также тех, кто ОФИЦИАЛЬНО трудоустроен (лишают пособия - это да, бесплатного жилья тоже). А с теми, кто неофициально работает - все очень строго без разницы - беженец, не беженец - депортация в 24 часа, разве что докажут необходимость ухода за инвалидом - членом семьи. Но и тут могут быть варианты. Вроде в Финляндии (со слов), если в течение 3 месяцев не устроишься на работу (а с этим боооольшие проблемы из-за сложного языка) лишают пособия , а это сразу же приводит к из'ятию несовершеннолетних детей из родной семьи и возможную передачу их в другую "семью", по эуропейским критериям вполне благополучную (парочка "голубцов", например). Но в общем не все так страшно, устраиваются в основном, особенно женщины.
          5. Vik66
            Vik66 23 March 2023 11: 22
            +1
            Don't you think that Ukrainians will spread the infection of nationalism like cockroaches throughout "enlightened" Europe? Rabies is contagious!
            1. QuestionsNeudobny
              QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 12: 11
              -3
              Don't you think that Ukrainians will spread the infection of nationalism like cockroaches throughout "enlightened" Europe? Rabies is contagious!

              I’m still embarrassed to ask a question: where did the brown plague come to Ukraine from? from Russia or what?
            2. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 12: 23
              +3
              Don't you think that Ukrainians will spread the infection of nationalism like cockroaches?
              They won't smash. For Western Europeans, Ukrainians are just another demanding rogue like the Somalis or Palestinians, who have settled in shabby "abibass" to live at their expense, that's all.
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 24 March 2023 06: 30
                +2
                Знакомая из Мюнхена писала, что достали эти Ukrainians. Крикливые, наглые, как цыгане. Ходят табором, с детьми. Работать не хотят. Живут одним днём и на пособия. Знакомая, дама с характером. Пару раз уже ставила их на место. Пишет, что хвост поджали и убежали.
          6. Stanislav_Shishkin
            Stanislav_Shishkin 23 March 2023 11: 38
            +2
            Quote: Comrade
            They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it.
            Criteria are some objective signs. Now the explanations are simpler, as in a scam: "these are the rules." To have someone to fight for the prize.
            1. QuestionsNeudobny
              QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 16: 50
              +1
              Now the explanations are simpler, as in a scam: "these are the rules."

              right, everything is democratic - a scam based on "rules" laughing
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 23 March 2023 07: 39
      +6
      That the author, that commentators are looking for complex * reasons for building * * the success of the ideology of Europe *.
      Everything is simple and primitive.
      The basis of the * ideology * of the Germans-British-French and now is the * right * to colonies and slaves. Moreover, * the right * to plunder and slaves * is justified by scientific terms *.
      Европы соблазняют национальные окраины РОССИИ *идеей* безнаказанности грабежа и садизма.
      There is no other there.
      1. novel66
        novel66 23 March 2023 09: 02
        +3
        And I am this
        do not impose together with our oppressors

        I don’t understand ... I mean, I won’t sit on one field?
    3. Vend
      Vend 23 March 2023 10: 37
      0
      This battle was lost even under the Bolsheviks
  2. Comrade
    Comrade 23 March 2023 03: 45
    +8
    Decades of encouragement and indulgence made the ordinary Ukrainian die not for his home and family, but for the right to be part of the West in defiance of Russia. This, of course, is the strength of our enemy, which cannot be ignored.

    Everything is a bit more complicated.
    Of course, there are enough fanatics in Ukraine (Aidar, Azov and other right-wingers), but there are much more of those who go to war under duress. People are kidnapped not only on the streets, but also from their own houses and apartments, where military commissars break into, hunting for men. The latter are caught in ambulances and on electric scooters, they are beaten on the streets and dragged by force to the military registration and enlistment offices, they are intercepted at the borders and taken to the nearest military registration and enlistment office.
    Videos with such stories in bulk.
    It was not from a good life that Zelinsky banned military-age men from traveling abroad. This means that in Ukraine there is a serious problem with conscription, this means that many hundreds of thousands are not willing to go to their deaths, despite the propaganda.
    Переиначив слегка Булгакова, среднестатистический украинец рассуждает так : Украину люблю без памяти, но воевать за неё - шиш с маслом
    More than once I came across men who fled from Ukraine to Canada. All, as if by choice, ardent patriots. A complete gentleman's set - from yellow-blue ribbons and tridents on the entire back to forelocks and embroidered shirts - is evident. All, as one, fiercely hate the Russians, collectively dreaming of victory in Russia.
    And at the same time, everyone does not want to fight, and therefore they draped to the West.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 04: 14
      +16
      And at the same time, everyone does not want to fight, and therefore they draped to the West.
      Here the question is a little more complicated.
      Изначальной идеей украинского майдана и евроинтеграции как раз и было " Пить каву в Париже", жить на итальянской вилле с датской зарплатой, норвежской пенсией и немецкой медициной. За счет других. Как они сами говорили- европейцы нам построят передовые заводы, автобаны,больницы. Звучит глупо, да- но я сам от них это слышал и в их медиа читал. А что-то do it yourself- yes won mene treba wassat ?
      those who go to war from under the stick.
      It is worth noting that when the peremoga still seemed to them (thanks to the media) real, there were plenty of volunteers to fight and take part in the capture of Moscow. Only when the losses are 1000 per day (as I was told by the defenders of Londoner-on-Thames laughing ) it became impossible to hide from the people, and the capture of Krasnodar and the division of land there had to be postponed indefinitely, the dill had problems recruiting dolbo .. that is, volunteers.
      1. Comrade
        Comrade 23 March 2023 04: 59
        +10
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Only when the loss of 1000 per day (as I was told by the defenders of Londoner-on-Thames laughing) did it become impossible to hide from the people

        Yes, there have already begun to bury in the regional centers. By the way, here is a photo from Zhytomyr. In the background are the usual nine-story buildings, and in front of them is the cemetery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Nazis.

        Judging by the number of flags, twenty graves of "heroes" fell into the frame.
        There is a video from there. The cemetery stretches for several kilometers, filmed on the move from the car.
        1. victor50
          victor50 23 March 2023 08: 45
          -5
          Quote: Comrade
          Yes, there have already begun to bury in the regional centers.

          И что? О чем это говорит? И у нас хоронят? Или там и у нас - разные мотивы? Если так пойдет - мы тоже свое черное море где-нибудь выкопаем.. https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/12/16/71902598/#:~:text=%D0%9D%D0%B0%20%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5%20%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%B8%20%C2%AB%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%8E,%2D%2016%20%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%8F%202022%20%2D%20%D0%A4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0.
      2. Kepka
        Kepka 23 March 2023 09: 17
        +4
        But we have not been trying to enter the same place for 30 years ... until now everything is stuffed with stamps about European quality, it is made according to imported technology ... and is this the most harmless thing you can find?
    2. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 23 March 2023 11: 26
      +5
      Quote: Comrade

      It was not from a good life that Zelinsky banned military-age men from traveling abroad. This means that in Ukraine there is a serious problem with conscription, this means that many hundreds of thousands are not willing to go to their deaths, despite the propaganda.

      They do not want to go to their death, but please kill it. Something not very good, these forcibly mobilized are in a hurry to surrender, I shoot to the end, and even our prisoners are shot for the sake of videos of what heroes they are.
    3. Don Analyst
      Don Analyst 23 March 2023 12: 44
      +5
      Ukrainian nationalism is a tool of the Western powers.
      It is necessary to fight it effectively as Sudoplatov did - destroying the gaskets, those who supply and manage the nationalist agenda.
      1. QuestionsNeudobny
        QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 16: 55
        -2
        You need to fight it effectively as Sudoplatov did

        spray antibiotic against brown plague. from Il-76D aircraft. into multiple threads. from various echelons. using the antibiotic delivery vehicle D-1, D-10, Crossbow, etc.
  3. ivan2022
    ivan2022 23 March 2023 04: 46
    +1
    Ukrainian nationalism is an ancient movement. It is enough to open the "TALE OF TIME YEARS" of the Kyiv monk - chronicler of St. Rev. O. Nestor.
    Почитать, так племя полян (предки украинцев) - святое, а те, кто севернее- просто зверье все поголовно. Или я что не понял?

    It is curious why no one has given an assessment to this in Russia for many centuries? And what, all the Russian princes, tsars, the Russian Orthodox Church and Soviet historians tacitly agreed? We went through this at school.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 05: 00
      +4
      those who are to the north are just a beast
      In those days, EVERYONE spoke of their neighbors like that.
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 23 March 2023 05: 11
        +3
        Тот же о. Нестор отзывался о соседях по разному. В те времена соседкой Руси была и Византия.
    2. Kuziming
      Kuziming 23 March 2023 07: 16
      +2
      I am currently writing a book about it. The title is "Forward to the West". There is a link in the profile, the first 22 chapters are ready.
    3. Stanislav_Shishkin
      Stanislav_Shishkin 23 March 2023 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: ivan2022
      To read, so the tribe of glades (ancestors of Ukrainians) is sacred
      Not everything is clear with the glades. In addition to PVL, medieval sources first name the inhabitants of the Gniezno principality as such, and then all the Poles of the country of Polonia. How they ended up on the Dnieper is unclear, and there were no fields in the place of Kyiv. And to sculpt a historical ethnic group from Ukrainians is another idea.
      1. Stanislav_Shishkin
        Stanislav_Shishkin 23 March 2023 12: 53
        +7
        PS Got it! Ukrainians become glades in Poland at strawberry picking.
        1. QuestionsNeudobny
          QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 16: 57
          +1
          strange, I thought - farm laborers! laughing
          1. Stanislav_Shishkin
            Stanislav_Shishkin 23 March 2023 20: 08
            +3
            And who can forbid a laborer to be called a glade or, for example, an Ostrogoth. The main thing is that you don’t crush strawberries, don’t smoke or crap in the field, and there - even if he calls himself a Sumer or an Aryan, it doesn’t matter.
            1. QuestionsNeudobny
              QuestionsNeudobny 24 March 2023 09: 10
              +1
              it is truth too! slaves are free to choose their own urge
  4. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 23 March 2023 05: 20
    +5
    I wonder where is the line of nationalism that cannot be crossed? The Ukraine that we have appeared thanks to our efforts. While the propagandists were explaining to our people about the torchlight processions, our oligarchs tried very diligently to support the Ukrainian authorities. We have a whole army of political scientists. With their hatred on TV, they could have swept away the Zelensky regime in one moment. But this is just fist-waving. It’s not worse when anger is not confirmed by deeds. It’s even worse when some political scientists say what will happen to Russia if it fails. If this has already arisen in the minds, then everything needs to be corrected.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 23 March 2023 05: 26
      +2
      Just organized porridge in their heads. The world bourgeoisie, the main religions: Christianity, Islam-nationalism do not suffer at all. There was no official national division in the Russian Empire either. The main feature of the subjects was religion and class.

      But there are also examples of innate nationalism - Jewish, Ukrainian, general Western. ..... These are particularly susceptible
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy 23 March 2023 10: 55
      0
      Edge? Very simple. As soon as the competition between nations goes beyond pure reproduction, then other methods are connected. They can be characterized by the concept of mutual assistance. It is wide, because it includes both a harmless component for the surrounding nations, and a criminal nature (that is, already infringing on other nations). In all cases, this line begins with "clumping" (creation of a diaspora) overt or covert, and often not a component of the so-called. mono-ethnic concentrate, but scattered across different countries. Starting from this moment, competition becomes unfair in all areas (economic, social, etc.) and sooner or later the infringement of other nations begins, which, if the algorithm is not violated (accidentally or meaningfully), eventually takes extreme forms. Such competition can be both supported and limited. In the history of mankind, various, let's say, organizations have been engaged in this.
    3. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 23 March 2023 11: 09
      0
      Nikolay Malyugin
      I wonder where is the line of nationalism that cannot be crossed?

      —-Ваш комментарий обозначил вопрос как «когда национализм приводит к нацизму… по следам нацизма Рейха например…»? Марксизма - Ленинизм определил фашизм как неминуемость империализма… и нацизм как его выражение… это конечно в случае Украины негодно. Некоторые теоретики считают, что правый тоталитаризм приводит к фашизму, и возможно - нацизму. Даже неминуемо.

      —-I believe that when extreme nationalism (the ideology of Nazism) is enshrined in the laws of the state, then it is already very difficult to fight it within the state. Linguistic exclusivity, the lustration of political rivals, especially recent ones, the legislative consolidation of elements of nationalism - can lead to Nazism. It's possible and likely, but I don't think it's necessary.

      —-However, when the state transfers or loses the monopoly on violence to the nationalists, then this line has already been passed. This is Nazism in practice... This is Maidan 2014.
    4. Scientist
      Scientist 23 March 2023 14: 18
      +2
      А грань достаточно четкая. Как только прочие нации (пусть даже некоторые) объявляются "исконными врагами", "недочеловеками". Когда проявлением национальной гордости объявляется борьба с этими нациями, их уничтожение.
  5. Dmitry_7
    Dmitry_7 23 March 2023 05: 37
    +2
    .The fact is that the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos. At first, there were relatively mild attempts to expel the Jews away from Germany, for example, to Madagascar.

    Did this paragraph bother anyone?
    "Not immediately" and "soft attempts" - are they about pogroms, execution on the spot of prisoners of war and other crimes? This despite the fact that many KZ began to function since the mid-30s? And the tale about Madagascar is generally populism for the Western layman
    You give out strange things, comrade Fedorov ....
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 23 March 2023 06: 19
      +3
      Did this paragraph bother anyone?
      Confused, confused .. But this is different laughing
    2. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 23 March 2023 10: 43
      +6
      the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos. At first, there were relatively mild attempts to expel the Jews away from Germany, for example, to Madagascar ... - "... this paragraph did not bother anyone .." - Dmitry_7)

      —-По фактам… Дахау открыли в 33, Бухенвальд в 37. Общее количество погибших в обеих ~100,000, заключенных ~430,000. Дахау - коммунисты, социал-демократы, уголовники … Рейха в его границах. Евреи Рейха - с 1938 года (именно по этой причине)…Кстати ~ 250,000 из 437,000 эмигрировали, в том числе и вынуждено с 33 по 39 год. Первые погромы и массовые аресты в 38 году, с поводом «убийство немецкого дипломата во Франции польским евреем» - порядка 100 убитых и 30,000 арестованных. «Мадагаскар» планировали с 38 по 40, используя флот Британии.

      —- As a matter of principle, the Reich did not use German territory for death camps. And the policy was different in relation to the Jews of Western Europe - they sent Poland and Riga to the death camps, starting from the age of 41.

      —-Starting from the USSR, the Wehrmacht and the SS shot Jewish prisoners and communists, political workers, Soviet workers, partisans ... on the spot, Order von Brauchitsch June 6, 41. The Reich considered the eviction and resettlement of Russians beyond the Urals. Polyakov - near Leningrad.

      —-Заседание об «Окончательном Решении» еврейства Европы состоялось в начале 42 года. До этого уничтожались евреи оккупированных областей СССР, и частично - Польши.

      —- So, according to the facts, Evgeny Fedorov is absolutely right. И эта динамика преступлений, отражает развитие нацизма и национализма - от «Майн Кампф»… до Путча… победы на выборах 33…убийство Рема… поджога Рейхстага… Мюнхена 38, начала ВМВ и разгрома Франции и Польши… 22 Июня 41 года … и поражения под Москвой, Декабрь 41…. Все эти, и другие события - вехи в ПРАКТИКЕ нацизма, несмотря на краеугольность расовой теории «Майн Кампфа»

      —- В этом смысле, украинский нацизм - не уникален. Его расовая, русофобская и юдофобская сущность неизменна. Практика - это вопрос эпох и лет. И избрание Зелинского - это тактический шаг, гарантирующий поддержку еврейских элит, переплетенных с властными элитами Запада.
      1. Dmitry_7
        Dmitry_7 24 March 2023 03: 51
        0
        Thank you for such a detailed and detailed comment. One feels confident legal acumen. Without a shadow of irony, honestly. Sincerely hi
        I have no desire to enter into controversy, although there are controversial points. I want to say something else - why this paragraph caused a negative reaction.

        For a long time, and gradually, in portions, theses aimed at "humanizing", justifying, "whitewashing" the German fascist regime and the executors of its bloody, diabolical will were introduced into the mass consciousness: from the polite "yes, not all Germans are like that, there were people" to the frank "Yes, it would be better if the Germans conquered us, they wouldn't kill everyone anyway, right now they would live much better." This was especially evident in the "holy 90s" and "well-fed zero".

        Псевдонаучные статьи и книги, воспоминания и откровения тыловых крыс, лживые документальные циклы по тв, снимались даже художественные фильмы с ноткой "немецко-фашистской человечности". Прекрасно помню и статью в "МК" о том, что де в доме на Фридрих-штрассе все пытки были постановочными, документальный цикл киселева, с основным мотивом - это Сталин собирался захватить Европу, омерзительный х/ф "Сволочи" с восклицающим офицером-фашистом "о, Господи, что мы делаем! это же дети" и прочая-прочая откровенная ложь и профанация.

        And in our difficult time, no, no, but there are attempts to give out "that soot is white." What should not be categorically allowed, even in such trifles as the paragraph I highlighted. There is no doubt that this article is necessary and relevant, but in such acute topics, a professional journalist must avoid constructions that can lead to a double interpretation of the text.
        hi
    3. QuestionsNeudobny
      QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 00
      0
      And the tale about Madagascar is generally populism for the Western layman
      You give out strange things, comrade Fedorov ....

      an even stranger tale is given out by certain people about a certain Holocaust. under the guise of which so much dough was claimed, as in that film - "You never dreamed of", but this does not surprise you. weird!
      1. Dmitry_7
        Dmitry_7 24 March 2023 03: 32
        0
        Nothing weird!
        The Holocaust took place - people were actually burned by ECHELONS, and not only and not so much Jews, but also Russians, Belarusians, Little Russians, Poles, Gypsies, and the Europeans themselves.
        And the fact that the "Aryan" non-humans were sponsored, controlled and directed by their satanic activities by non-human Zionists from the USA is already an established fact. For the sake of getting a gesheft, it cost them nothing to kill 6 million "their own", that is, Jews, with the hands of the Germans. What to say about the Slavs?
        It is enough to read "Shulchan Aruch" and "Catechism of a Jew in the USSR" to understand what evil spirits have a place to be on earth
        1. QuestionsNeudobny
          QuestionsNeudobny 24 March 2023 09: 12
          0
          the Holocaust is the definition of the extermination of Jews exclusively, it was the Jews themselves who came up with it .. do not mix everything and everything. when everyone is in a row, then this is genocide.
          1. Dmitry_7
            Dmitry_7 24 March 2023 10: 13
            0
            I did not mix anything, I know the difference. And I know that the term "Holocaust" was invented by the Jews, who subsequently received various kinds of benefits here, on the manipulation of this term.
            Here it is appropriate to ask the question: why is there no such term in our historiography? The term for the extermination of 27 million of our fellow citizens? "Genocide", "war crimes", "crimes against humanity" are inherently terrible words and phrases, nevertheless having a vague figurative perception.
            And the capacious, biting "holocaust", "holodomor" immediately sink into the soul of the layman, the mass person, create the so-called anchor, the origin of coordinates, on which, naturally, through the media, social institutions, the necessary ideological constructions can and should be strung.
            What term would you suggest for the genocide of Soviet citizens? In a word
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 23 March 2023 05: 38
    +6
    In Ukraine, "Nationalism" comes out of print under the authorship of Dmitry Dontsov.
    "Nationalism" was first published in the publishing house and printing house of Fathers Vasilyyan in Zhovkva, which was part of Poland. The sponsor was the Ukrainian military organization of Yevgeny Konovalets. Since 1922, the UVO began active cooperation with German intelligence.
  7. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 23 March 2023 06: 03
    +6
    We are not fascists - we have a Jewish president


    And all these Ukrainians надеются на богатую жизнь при своем президенте? laughing
    What fools and narrow-minded people they are!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 23 March 2023 06: 12
      +4
      What fools and narrow-minded people they are!

      A monkey sits on the bank of a river and washes a banana peel. The lion comes up and asks:
      - Monkey, what are you doing?
      - Give me two rubles, I'll tell you.
      He stood, thought the lion, and interest is bursting. Gives two rubles, and the monkey to him:
      - My banana peel.
      Lion with anger:
      - Are you at all?
      - Well, not at all, but I have ten a day. An old African tale.
    2. Kepka
      Kepka 23 March 2023 09: 21
      +5
      So they already have the 2nd Jew (though the Jews call such Jews) and they live better and better ...
  8. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 23 March 2023 06: 20
    +3
    Quote: Comrade
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.

    I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.
    Are Afghans and other parasites sent home? So these will be sent. They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it. There are no hostilities in Western Ukraine, so go there.

    Пока идёт СВО их, беженцев, никуда отправить нельзя в соответствии с Конвенцией ООН, тех кто попросил убежище; они под статью той самой Конвенции по всем параметрам. Да и зачем: асмимилируются, пойдут работать.
    1. QuestionsNeudobny
      QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 03
      0
      While the NWO is going on, they, refugees, cannot be sent anywhere in accordance with the UN Convention

      the whole world has long been putting on this very un with the device. muddy organization, on the territory of the mattress flag, led by NATO ghouls.
  9. north 2
    north 2 23 March 2023 07: 18
    +9
    в Сталинском СССР долго соображали от новшества , что такое фашизм , нацизм и национализм . Веяли идеи , что за всей этой гадостью народы не пойдут , а последует за идеями рабоче-крестьянских диктатур. Даже Великий Сталин в начальной стадии строительства СССР не понимал , что нацизм и фашизм можно "синтезировать" из национализма и из ненависти к русским и получиться самый сильный наркотик.
    Но вот Сталин создал контору Судоплатова и разные там Коновальцы ,и не только украинские, отправились в могилы . Но наркомания тем и страшна , что от устранения дилера не пропадает тяга ...
    And then the dogma about the friendship of peoples fell like a screen on this problem. Nationalists hid behind this screen both in Ukraine and in the Baltic states and waited for the arrival of Hitler's hordes. They understood that even if they licked all the most immodest places to the Germans to a shine, all the same, Hitler would not allow them to create their own and independent states. That's why they acted like wolves in a sheepfold - they burned, shot, raped and killed for their own pleasure, discovering that they finally got to this drug.
    Сколько их было? А столько , что Хрущёв от ужаса эти данные засекретил , а Щербицкий ,говорят , валялся в ногах у Брежнева лишь бы тот эти данные тоже держал в секрете .От сюда и произрастает сегодняшняя беда . Семьдесят лет умалчивалось , что раньше чем русских собрался уничтожить немецкий нацизм , раньше этого такую задачу ставил украинский нацизм .
    А вот интересно было бы узнать соотношение- сколько фарцовщиков торговавших джинсами и нейлоновыми плащами и сколько живших идеями украинского нацизма выловило Хрущёвско-Брежневское КГБ . Наверное 10:1! А что ,у Кравчука и у Кучмы только с девяностых годов Тенигбоки , Яроши и Лешко факультативные уроки нацизма брали ? А ведь Комитет назывался Государственной Безопасности . Ну как те бендеровцы во власть пролезли и от куда во власти взялись ещё и Горбачёв с Ельциным . Что это за Комитет Государственной безопасности был ?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 23 March 2023 08: 16
      +1
      in the Stalinist USSR for a long time they figured out from innovation what fascism, Nazism and nationalism are. Ideas were brewing that the peoples would not follow all this muck, but would follow the ideas of worker-peasant dictatorships.
      The people there followed Nazism after the communists were imprisoned in the same Germany and Italy. There were no alternative ideas, but this one gave the layman a good life in case of victory. But there was no victory.
    2. QuestionsNeudobny
      QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 07
      0
      But Stalin created Sudoplatov's office

      Sudoplatov was the head of the 4th department of the NKVD of the USSR. he did not have his own "office"
  10. Kuziming
    Kuziming 23 March 2023 07: 37
    +5
    There is no good nationalism.
    Nationalism is always bad.
    A person cannot be better than another only by the fact of being born in some tribe.
    This is a relic of the tribal system.
    This is the cause of wars and conflicts.
    This is something that is unacceptable in the cultural matrix of empires, Christianity, communism.
    For Russia, nationalism is also unacceptable because the Russians are a synthesis nation that includes many tribes and peoples. Our identification is by language, not by blood.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 13: 24
      -1
      A person cannot be better than another only by the fact of being born in some tribe.
      In one tribe, fast neutron reactors are built, and in another (the Mundari tribe in Africa), they wash themselves with cow urine for lack of running water. And everyone is equal, yeah yes .
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 23 March 2023 18: 03
        0
        In one tribe, fast neutron reactors are built, and in another (the Mundari tribe in Africa), they wash themselves with cow urine for lack of running water. And everyone is equal, yeah
        It's not about the initial conditions that you described here. The fact is that each tribe helps the other to reach its level, that's the problem.
  11. Boris Sergeev
    Boris Sergeev 23 March 2023 07: 37
    +14
    Once again, we were told the origins and seriousness of the threat from Ukrainian nationalism. What is it that opposes her? A country without an official ideology. In which huckstering crushed everything and everyone. Until now, for example, the supply of alcohol from Ukraine has not been blocked, although the owner of Khortytsya unfastens significant amounts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Why? Yes, because his "partners" in Russia are exactly the same, if Friedman is ready to give up his assets in favor of Ukraine, and Abramovich takes out British mercenaries on his plane. And it is these "partners" who determine the actions of the Russian authorities, which are mired in "agreements", muddy exchanges and "deals", following which we are regularly told that the Russian side was being led by the nose. I just want to get a handkerchief and wipe the nose of the members of the Russian delegation! Naturally, those who are at the front have a question: What are we fighting for? For another "goodwill gesture"?
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 23 March 2023 08: 02
      +1
      A country without an official ideology. In which huckstering crushed everything and everyone.
      You write that there is no ideology and immediately refute yourself. hi
  12. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 23 March 2023 08: 08
    +3
    The fact is that the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos.
    Well, wow, what nice people laughing They wouldn’t go straight to the camps, but it turns out they probably still thought whether to drive or not to drive .. laughingIt turns out that the German Nazis were better than the Ukrainian ones ... laughing
  13. Alt 22
    Alt 22 23 March 2023 08: 47
    +2
    The trouble with Ukraine is that the Ukrainians do not even understand that they have enslaved again - this time the Anglo-Saxons.
    And the same situation - the loss of Russia, admitted in 2014, when Putin, who made a terrible mistake, refused to help Ukraine stand against the West - which ultimately led to the current war on the West's terms.
  14. gromit
    gromit 23 March 2023 08: 47
    0
    History is cyclical. If there is no attractive ideology, in a critical situation, brown grease is sure to pour into the rusty mechanism of the state. Only the shade changes according to the situation.

    "Frankly, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism." - Agree.

    "amorphous consistency, united at best by greedy interests"))
    Is this about the denazifier country?)
  15. north 2
    north 2 23 March 2023 09: 16
    +1
    Quote from Kuziming
    There is no good nationalism.
    Nationalism is always bad.
    A person cannot be better than another only by the fact of being born in some tribe.
    This is a relic of the tribal system.
    This is the cause of wars and conflicts.
    This is something that is unacceptable in the cultural matrix of empires, Christianity, communism.
    For Russia, nationalism is also unacceptable because the Russians are a synthesis nation that includes many tribes and peoples. Our identification is by language, not by blood.

    Полностью с Вами согласен . Последнее время часто стараются изобрести целые теории , будь то национализм является совершенно невинное дитя для забавы внутри нации-племени-общества. Но именно национализм обязывает возвысить себя и своих соплеменников над другими членами это сообщества людей , поскольку стерильных обществ без примеси инородцев давно не существуют . Когда национализм возвысят одних над другими в конкретном своём обществе-государстве , он попрёт тех же самых возвышать в другие соседние общества- государства . Нацизм вырастает именно из этого "невинного дитя" национализма...
  16. Tank destroyerSU-100
    Tank destroyerSU-100 23 March 2023 09: 40
    +3
    Do not confuse nationalism and patriotism. Patriotism is love for one's Motherland, acceptance of people of any nationality and religion living in it as compatriots, readiness to defend the Motherland and compatriots, regardless of what nationality they are. ANY nationalism is propaganda of the superiority of one nationality over another and the appointment of an enemy of people of another nationality - Russians, Jews, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Serbs, etc. ANY nationalism is the accusation of all the troubles and problems of people of another nationality, the cultivation of hatred towards them. Not a search for reasons that you yourself are doing it wrong and wrong, but a search for those who can be accused of all mortal sins and write off all your own jambs on them. Cultivating sentiments that without you, without your country, all neighbors will die of starvation, and if this does not happen, then frenzied propaganda that your neighbor is robbing you, occupying land that is not yours, etc.
  17. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 23 March 2023 10: 12
    -2
    Nationalism is bad under any sauce - international is good in any form.
    All these stories about the preservation of the language, identity, national traditions lead to nationalism and chauvinism.
    The International only leads to development and peace.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 10: 31
      -2
      The International only leads to development and peace.
      International in real life leads to the loss of identity and peace on the terms of those who are smart enough to discard this toxic, outwardly beautiful idea. That is, to the loss and assimilation of the internationalists.
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 23 March 2023 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        The International only leads to development and peace.
        International in real life leads to the loss of identity and peace on the terms of those who have the mind to discard this toxic, outwardly beautiful c.

        Some dancers even get in the way of eggs. And their own oil and gas fields are a curse.

        А вот буржуи стали интернационалом, и ни фига не утратили. Наоборот-приобрели весь Мир. Прямо по Марксу, который пытался втолковать это упертым пролетариям... Да всё бестолку!!
      2. place
        place 23 March 2023 12: 42
        -3
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        The International only leads to development and peace.
        International in real life leads to the loss of identity and peace on the terms of those who are smart enough to discard this toxic, outwardly beautiful idea. That is, to the loss and assimilation of the internationalists.

        Например, у Иуды Искариота "хватило ума отбросить" Христа., "внешне красивого"...... что и привело Христа к "проигрышу".
        General Vlasov, and then Yeltsin, "had the sense to discard the outwardly beautiful" Soviet ideology.
        Понятненкая у Вас логика.... прямо духо- скрепненькая. Хе.....сам признался.. Let's remember.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 12: 50
          +1
          You understand the logic
          This is not logic, this is the result of observations. I live in England and I see how a bunch of miserable stupid "refugees" from a tiny province of a godforsaken country, thanks to a sense of elbow, can at the expense of others secure a place in the sun that they do not deserve. This works wherever there is at least the beginnings of "internationalism". Stolypin will not let you lie with his reasoning about manure.
          Let's remember.
          You can write in a book tongue give me a separate page yes .
          1. place
            place 23 March 2023 13: 47
            -1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            You understand the logic
            This is not logic, this is the result of observations. I live in England and I see how a bunch of miserable stupid "refugees" from a tiny province of a country forgotten by God, thanks to a sense of elbow, can at the expense of others .... Stolypin will not let him lie with his reasoning about manure.
            Let's remember.
            You can write in a book tongue give me a separate page yes .

            Write down - don't write down - You have written yourself into the Network forever ... Congratulations! laughing
            1. Результат наблюдений- одно, а его смысл- другое. Вот смысла Вы и не поняли. Логики в Ваших рассуждениях нет, хоть Вы сами и в Англии.
            2. Stolypin spoke about national self-consciousness, and in any nation a child from 6 years old has it. A Russian understands that he is Russian, and a Jew understands that he is a Jew. Your idol Stolypin was a pretty freak. I wanted to forcefully turn Russia into America.
            3. "Feeling of the elbow" is available in any gang. And what do you have to be a bandit?
            4. Помогает людям не национализм, а любая объединяющая идея. Кто до какой дорос- столько и получит. Дикарям- примитив, цивилизованным –более современное.
            5. Why are you in England yourself? Look, Russia has left the wrong ideas, what else do you need?
            6. According to the UN rating, the USSR in 1988 ranked No. 26 in terms of living standards. "under internationalism". And today Russia is a place number 60+. Why ?
            7 Потому, что основная масса населения послала куда подальше советские идеи, а интернационализм - только у супер- богачей. Которые вывели на Запад в баксах- далеко не один национальный годовой бюджет России.
            Conclusion ; Whoever has a unifying idea is in chocolate.
            Идея- инструмент, она сама не работает. Топором умный дом построит, а глупый - своего ближнего убьёт. Но инструмент здесь ни при чём.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 14: 08
              -2
              Why are you in England?
              Because I need a visa to come to Russia to see, but to live in England, no. And yes, I like it here.
              The USSR in 1988 ranked No. 26 in terms of living standards
              I don’t know about the place, but when in the USSR they stood in line for Yugoslav boots, the mother-in-law bought a new car in France every 3-5 years.
              The rest of your theses, how to say it, are of little use. whether laughing .
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 23 March 2023 15: 54
                -2
                but when in the USSR they stood in line for Yugoslav boots, the mother-in-law bought a new car in France every 3-5 years.

                And?
              2. QuestionsNeudobny
                QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 14
                -2
                Why are you in England?
                Because I need a visa to come to Russia to see, but to live in England, no. And yes, I like it here.

                Outskirts of London, early morning.
                knock Knock
                - Who is there?
                - Boris Abramovich! to you - Ramon Mercader!
          2. QuestionsNeudobny
            QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 11
            -3
            I live in England and see how a bunch of miserable stupid "refugees" from a tiny province of a godforsaken country thanks to a sense of elbow

            "I watch TV and I assure you that I know our youth very well!"
            x/f "Courier"
  18. QuestionsNeudobny
    QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 11: 54
    -1
    Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. This is a very important factor in the self-awareness of the nation, the formation of a worldview and identity. A nation without nationalism is impossible in principle.

    Oh no. Nationalism is always bad. because it is he who becomes the most fertile ground for Nazism, fascism, Zionism and rabid exclusivity. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    It is always required to subtly feel the edge and not slide into the abyss.

    No. drug addicts in the same way assure at first that they will stop at any moment. won't stop. and how do you propose to "subtly feel the edge"? The edge is such a stray, everyone has their own.
    Remember the brinkmanship of the nationalists? So, somewhere at the turn of the century, the balance was finally lost.

    exactly. absolutely and unconditionally, the line will be blurred and everything will fly into hell.
    not nationalism is needed, but patriotism. only true, and not "leavened", "homemade-gorlopansky".
  19. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 23 March 2023 12: 22
    +3
    Quote: Tatiana
    On the personal initiative of M. S. Gorbachev, on December 16, 1991, at the 74th plenary session, by the resolution of the UN General Assembly A / RES / 46/86, resolution 3379 (XXX) was recognized as NULL, in which ZIONISM is recognized by the whole world as a form of racism and racial discrimination ( h_ttp://www.un.org/russian/Docs/journal/asp/ws.asp?m=A/RES/46/86).

    This is a shameful fact of our history.
    Now the Zionists of our site will begin to actively minus you for this.

    The site is parked in Israel.
    Even with a harmless mention of the works of I.R. Shafarevich (Russophobia, Notes of a Russian by extremists), they (the Zionists) are beginning to be mangled.

    I was even asked not to post screenshots of the posts of stubborn Zionists from TV9 in Israel, because. it immediately becomes clear which country is enemy number 1 for Russia.

    А сейчас, во время СВО, Израиль активно помогая Укрорейху (155мм, снаряды с хранения, разведданные, инструкторы- кадровые ЦАХАЛовцы, и.т.д) является дружественной России страной.

    Пятая, сионистская колонна на нашем ТВ (русофоб Познер, словоблуд Шапиро/Соловьёв, и др.) активно промывают мозги населению.

    Shapiro / Solovyov, on the air, never heard a word about the huge assistance that Israel provides to Ukororeikh.
    This is a taboo.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 12: 35
      +1
      words about the great help that Israel provides to Ukororeich.
      Bulgarian brothers help dill much more.
      instructors - personnel IDF
      Там каждый второй может называть себя цахаловцем. Но они там по личной инициативе. Вы заметили, как с форума слиняли почти все израильтяне? Они в большинстве своем выходцы из украины и несмотря ни на что, любят ридну неньку. С инстукторами- такая же ситуевина. И кстати, русских граждан РФ в укровермахте больше чем израильтян.
    2. QuestionsNeudobny
      QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 16
      0
      so what to do? Well, it’s not true for the Jews. prickly eyes. here they are downvoted. let them minus. from their anger they become so weak. this is in our favor!
  20. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 23 March 2023 12: 52
    0
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Bulgarian brothers help dill much more.

    Oh, how they "wrapped up".
    The fact that Israeli weapons are sent through the port of Burgas does not make them Bulgarian.
    Israeli members of the forum went to kill Russians, a landmark event.
    Moved from words to deeds.

    Regarding the Russians in the ranks of Ukroreikh.
    Vlasov, Tatars and others also fought on the side of the Nazis.

    It is disgusting that "our" Jews are helping not Russia, but Israel.
    They redeem the TsAKHAL soldiers from captivity, or exchange them for some kind of fit, such as Medvedchuk.

    By the way, not a single Russian Jew oligarch said a word in support of the CVO!
    On the contrary, they are trying to "clear up" before the West, like Aven, Friedman.

    However, other richest Russian oligarchs are silent about supporting the NWO.
    PS Bulgarian authorities are still fitting. However, the whole of Europe, Czechs, Slovenes, Slovaks, etc. are against us.
    The Bulgarians are worse. Everyone wants to kill Russians.

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    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 23 March 2023 13: 01
      0
      Israeli weapons are sent through the port of Burgas
      The fact of the matter is that the weapon was produced in Bulgaria according to Soviet technologies and standards. Ukraine needs 152mm shells and 82mm mines, not 155 and 81.
      The Bulgarians are worse. Everyone wants to kill Russians.
      Болгары убивать русских не хотят. Общался много раз- более русофильской страны в ЕС нет. Только их никто не спрашивает. Если бы англичан спросили- вы хотите отдавать на нужды украины миллиард фунтов( цена постройки превосходной больницы "под ключ")-то ответ был бы ясен.
    3. QuestionsNeudobny
      QuestionsNeudobny 23 March 2023 17: 18
      -1
      It is disgusting that "our" Jews are helping not Russia, but Israel.
      They redeem the TsAKHAL soldiers from captivity, or exchange them for some kind of fit, such as Medvedchuk.

      but Iran buys the Su-35. the Israeli Luftwaffe will wash itself with tears of blood. by all means
  21. place
    place 23 March 2023 12: 56
    -2
    "Frankly, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. This is a very important factor in the self-awareness of the nation, the formation of a worldview and identity. A nation without nationalism is impossible in principle."

    Наоборот- национализм паразитирует на интересах нации , хотя и без неё возможен. А нация есть народ, эпохи капитализма, осознающий свои интересы. В том числе и внутренние, классовые. Яркий пример "укрорейха", как недоразвитой нации - национализм у них есть, но здавого осознания своих интересов- нет. Ведь могли бы, кретины- процветать.
  22. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 23 March 2023 12: 57
    +3
    There would not have been so many problems with Ukrainian nationalism, if not for the mistakes made in the USSR:
    - released those who fought in gangs
    - Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR
    - obligatory study of the Ukrainian language in all regions of the Ukrainian SSR, including the Donbas, where Ukrainian has never been spoken.
    Why not optional teaching of the Ukrainian language?
    - at the head of the Ukrainian SSR were individuals against coexistence with Russia
  23. Glagol1
    Glagol1 23 March 2023 13: 28
    +2
    Someone jinxed them. Has long been. And they jumped, in 1991 50 million people lived in the Ukrainian SSR, and now there are a maximum of 25. No country in the world has lost weight like that in 30 years. Natural population decline, plus migration to the east and west, the loss of territories, now also the war.
    Про образование, науку, культуру, про промышленность - тут и говорить ничего не надо. Проедают советское наследие, ничего своего за 30 лет не построили. Испортили отношения со всеми соседями, ну поляки подмигивают, держа за спиной пулемёт. Аннексионный.
    But according to self-assessment, Ukrainians are number 1 in the universe. Brainwashed, morale reflashed, hangover will be very bitter. And it will.
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  25. oleg Pesotsky
    oleg Pesotsky 23 March 2023 15: 47
    +2
    All these regrets and cries, of course, have a basis, it seems that the answer to the question "who is to blame?" but nowhere is it possible to find the answer to the question "what to do?" As Catherine said while teaching her son Pavel - My son, if you think that ideas can only be fought with guns, then your fate will be sad. To adopt the experience of the Bolsheviks, who, in defiance of the UNR and the Petliuras with Skoropadsky, first created the Krivoy Rog-Donetsk Republic and then the Ukrainian SSR. And in the end, they attracted the population of Ukraine to their side, but firstly, the current leadership of Russia shudders nervously at the name of Lenin, Stalin and the national policy of the Bolsheviks (and it was one hundred percent effective, no matter what they grumbled about "Lenin's mines") and in- secondly, with the current arrangement in bourgeois Russia, it's like trying to insert an engine from a tank into a small car. Not the same design.
  26. Galina Mylnikova
    Galina Mylnikova 23 March 2023 17: 34
    +1
    The last final paragraph disappointed with its negligence and thoughtlessness.
  27. Frank Muller
    Frank Muller 23 March 2023 21: 44
    -1
    The author was not quite right. More precisely, he is completely wrong: there is no good, gentle, respectful nationalism, in the sense of “in general”. National mentality should not be confused with nationalism. If only because the first concept is based on pride in one's nation, its culture, art and history, with simultaneous respect and good neighborly existence with other nations. And about the second, even Count Tolstoy spoke briefly and convincingly: "Nationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel who is trying to use the national idea for his dirty, powerful and selfish purposes." Unfortunately, the line between these two forms of national self-consciousness is indeed very thin and fragile, and therefore easily overcome. This is what we got with the collapse of the USSR, which in the last years of its existence was already openly suffering from the irreversible and active degeneration of the national mentality into nationalism, moreover, in all the union republics (and not only in Ukraine). Unfortunately, this happened with non-resistance (if not irresponsible assistance) of the central government, which had long lost control of the opposition to this phenomenon, which was destroying the multinational Soviet state.
  28. Clone
    Clone 23 March 2023 22: 10
    +1
    Purely into space, but I would like to remind you ... "IN Ukraine" without any "In Ukraine". The use of "V" is contrary to the established practice of the Russian language and incredibly, but unreasonably, inflates the sense of self-grandness among the "citizens" of the failed state on the territory of 404.
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  29. dump22
    dump22 24 March 2023 17: 47
    0
    Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism.


    In my opinion there is no "healthy nationalism" in principle.
    It's like a "benign neoplasm", which at any time can degenerate into cancer.
    It is advisable to remove for preventive purposes.