Commandments of Ukrainian nationalism

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Commandments of Ukrainian nationalism
Source: politnavigator.net


Good and bad nationalism


Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. This is a very important factor in the self-awareness of the nation, the formation of a worldview and identity. A nation without nationalism is impossible in principle. Otherwise, it will turn into an amorphous consistency, united at best by greedy interests.



It is always required to subtly feel the edge and not slide into the abyss. The Germans and Italians failed and ended very badly. The Italians as a nation can still be conditionally considered, but the German people have turned into a typical international. Like the French, who at one time were recorded as the winners of German Nazism. It is not possible to balance the Ukrainian statehood. For more than a hundred years, local "patriots" have built their ideology around hatred of others. And these are not empty words picked up in kitchen conversations.

The Ten Commandments of the Ukrainian People's Party (UPN), dated 1903, contain, in particular, the following:

“All people are your brothers, but Muscovites, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and Jews are the enemies of our people as long as they rule over us and rob us. Ukraine is for Ukrainians! So, expel foreign oppressors from everywhere in Ukraine. Do not take a wife from strangers, because your children will be your enemies, do not be friends with the enemies of our people, because you give them strength and courage, do not impose along with our oppressors, because you will be a traitor.

This heresy was invented by the Kharkiv lawyer Mikhnovsky, who dreamed that some third generation of Ukrainians would live free. The first, respectively, was enslaved by the Poles, the second by the Russians.

Note that radical nationalism appeared in Ukraine much earlier than Italian fascism and German Nazism. It seems that the Western neighbors have written off the Mikhnovsky Code as if from tracing paper - here are calls for racial hygiene, and anti-Semitism, and slogans about deportation.

Someone will say that one cannot compare early Ukrainian nationalism with late Western European. The fact is that the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos. At first, there were relatively mild attempts to expel the Jews away from Germany, for example, to Madagascar.

What would happen if “Ukrainianism” was allowed to bloom in full force at the beginning of the last century?

A rhetorical question, which, nevertheless, is answered by the old newspaper "Ukrainian Khata" of 1912. In the June issue, published in Kyiv, you can read:

“The revival of Ukraine is synonymous with hatred for your wife, a Muscovite, for your children, Katsapchats, for your brothers and sisters, Katsaps, for your father and mother, Katsaps. Loving Ukraine means sacrificing Katsap relatives.”

In just four years, nationalists have grown from the denial of foreign nations to calls to kill. Naturally, the Russians should have been destroyed. A simple Ukrainian, firmly connected by family ties with Russia, was called upon to betray his family.


Source: zhenziyou.livejournal.com

It is worth fixing on one fact - the vast majority of the old nationalists of Ukraine were born, lived and worked in Galicia, Bukovina or Transcarpathia. These are the former Austro-Hungarian provinces with traditionally strong Russophobia. In the future, it is from the west that the miases of “Ukrainianism” will spread throughout the country.

Let's move on to 1926. In Ukraine, "Nationalism" comes out of print under the authorship of Dmitry Dontsov. In modern Russia, he is rightly considered the founder of Ukrainian fascism and is prohibited from distributing his work. In his appeals, Dontsov went so far as to destroy Moscow's "rabid wolves".

Then everything is as according to Mein Kampf - a nation must be established through expansion and suppression of others, and life is possible only in the eternal struggle of nations. By the way, he was constantly confused in concepts - where is the race, and where is the nation. Based on the ideas of Dontsov, a certain Stepan Lenkavsky, a member of the OUN banned in Russia, developed new commandments or the "Decalogue of the Ukrainian Nationalist." In one of the editions you can read the following:

“Do not hesitate to commit the most terrible crime,” if the good of the Cause requires it… You will accept the enemies of your nation with hatred and deceit… You will fight to expand the strength, glory, wealth and space of the Ukrainian state, even by enslaving strangers.”

Dontsov at home in Melitopol even built a memorial plaque. In May last year, it was replaced with a memorial plaque in honor of Lieutenant General of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs Pavel Sudoplatov.

Imaginary "Ukrainian"


But these are all marginals, the attentive reader will say. Official science and culture in Ukraine has always denied nationalist motives. Not at all. For example, Professor of Lviv University Mikhail Grushevsky, gently and gently explained with historical point of view that Kievan Rus was the first independent power. And the successor was not Vladimir-Suzdal land, but Galicia-Volyn.

By the way, according to Hrushevsky, the Ukrainians, unlike the Russians, descended from the ancient Antes. What kind of state ideology can we talk about if people like Grushevsky were elected full members of the USSR Academy of Sciences. He, of course, was pinned down in 1931, but was soon released. Didn't seem dangerous. It is Grushevsky who considers most of the nationalists to be their ideological Fuhrer. Of course, after Bandera banned in Russia.


The second time Ukrainian nationalism in the worst sense of the word raised its head was in 1991, when Kravchuk began to rewrite the history of the newly minted state. No one has ever been against the rallying of the people around the national idea. For example, Israelis come to realize that they are united in large part due to the suffering of the Holocaust. And in Ukraine they came up with their own genocide - these are decades of the Soviet period. Only by opposing themselves to Russia and Russians could Ukrainians thirty years ago see themselves as one.

Kravchuk perfectly understood what he was doing and what kind of bomb he was putting under his country. It was because of him and Leonid Kuchma, who became famous for the book "Ukraine is not Russia", that such miasma appeared as the party "Freedom" led by the Nazi Tyagnibok. He proclaimed the Ukrainians the titular nation, called to withdraw from all pro-Russian organizations, restore "Galicia", rehabilitate the OUN / UPA banned in the Russian Federation and identify these traitors with veterans of the Great Patriotic War. And it was far before the Maidan - in 2004.

Even earlier - in 1999, under Kuchma, the "Trident named after Stepan Bandera" was born under the authorship of Yarosh. He directly copied the Ten Commandments of the Ukrainian People's Party of the 1903 model. Russians “either have to go through the process of ‘Ukrainization’, i.e., renounce their native language and ‘imperial’, ‘chauvinist’ heritage, or leave Ukraine.

Remember the brinkmanship of the nationalists? So, somewhere at the turn of the century, the balance was finally lost. Nationalists have become the ultimate outcasts. It could not be otherwise - these are the laws of society and nature. If a person is pumped with poison for a long time, he will eventually become poisonous.

As a result, we see the so-called ultra-nationalist state of the 2014 model, which has now not only distanced itself from Russia, but has also become openly hostile. Fascist signs have changed - now the main enemy is not a Jew, but a Russian. This allows the nationalists to successfully masquerade as the famous:

"We are not fascists - we have a Jewish president."

Yes, and the Jew Kolomoisky brought him to power. But the Nazi symbols did not disappear, but, on the contrary, began to spread throughout the power structures of Ukraine. Examples of banned in Russia "Azov" and "Edelweiss" is a clear confirmation of this.

All of the above illustrates one thesis - nationalism has become the driving force of Ukraine. Decades of encouragement and indulgence made the ordinary Ukrainian die not for his home and family, but for the right to be part of the West in defiance of Russia. This, of course, is the strength of our enemy, which cannot be ignored.
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  1. +17
    23 March 2023 03: 40
    for the right to be part of the West in spite of Russia
    In Nice, there are already more Ukrainians wandering the streets than Arabs (!). By the way, quite combat-ready men are also present - about 50/50 with children and women. In Genoa, about the same, although there are still fewer of them.
    1. +26
      23 March 2023 04: 11
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      By the way, quite combat-ready men are also present - about 50/50 with children and women

      And this is good - the more conscripts "take off" from Ukraine, the more difficult it will be for Zele to replenish the thinning units under the same Artyomovsk.
      1. +16
        23 March 2023 04: 23
        replenish thinning parts
        The opening of the borders for "refugees" by the EU was not even a shot, but a burst in the legs - they thought that as a result of a palace coup, Russia would collapse in a couple of months. Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.
        1. +7
          23 March 2023 04: 50
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.

          I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.
          Are Afghans and other parasites sent home? So these will be sent. They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it. There are no hostilities in Western Ukraine, so go there.
          1. +13
            23 March 2023 04: 57
            deportations can come
            This requires at least some, but the world. Otherwise, all conventions prohibit their deportation.
            work permit will not be renewed
            At the moment (a year has passed), only 5% of the Europeans who have come running are working in France. Those whom the SVO found at work in Poland and the Czech Republic, for the most part, quit their jobs and ran to more developed countries on free tickets, and obviously not at work. As one illegal immigrant in London told me, we are going to Europe to live like people, and not work like donkeys Yes .
            1. +13
              23 March 2023 08: 01
              Then everything is as according to Mein Kampf - a nation must be established through expansion and suppression of others, and life is possible only in the eternal struggle of nations.
              Do not think that something new has been invented in Mein Kampf.
              Excuse me, but in this sense, "Mein Kampf" is far from the Talmud with its centuries-old laws for "God's chosen" Jews and the holy book "Tania" of the Hasidim.
              Moreover, this truth about Zionism is taboo in the world! Why do you think? By the way, thanks to M.S. Gorbachev. Namely.

              On the personal initiative of M. S. Gorbachev UN December 16, 1991 at the 74th plenary session by the resolution of the UN General Assembly A/RES/46/86 recognized resolution 3379 (XXX) VOID, in which ZIONISM is recognized by the whole world as a form of racism and racial discrimination (h_ttp://www.un.org/russian/Docs/journal/asp/ws.asp?m=A/RES/46/86).
              UN Resolution 3379 classifying Zionism as a form of racism, built NOT from scratch - it is the SUMMARY OF A WHOLE SERIES OF RESOLUTIONS, adopted by the General Assembly itself. All of these resolutions DECAMATED Israel's actions as RASCIST, starting with GA resolution 2546 of 1969, as well as other resolutions - 2727 of 1970, resolution 3005 of 1972, resolution 3092 of 1973 and resolution 3246 of 1974. All of these resolutions condemn Israeli violations of human rights in the occupied Arab territories. This is not the end of the matter, as many other resolutions have been passed condemning racism in Israel up to the present day.

              The last President of the USSR M.S. Gorbachev-Garber on June 15, 1992 stated in the Israeli Knesset:
              "ZIONISM fought against communism and ZIONISM won, and communism ceased to exist."
              In other words, according to Gorbachev, what Hitler fought in the Third Reich - against the Jews and communists in the USSR / Russia - the victory over the USSR in 1991 was eventually won by the "God-chosen" Ziononists.

              At the same time, it is enough to recall, among other things, the 8-year-old GENOCIDE of the Russian people in Ukraine by the Bandera-Kiev regime represented by Washington’s proteges - Russophobe Nazis and MILITARY CRIMINALS at the very top of the Kiev regime represented by the Jews: Zelensky, Reznikov, Shmygal, etc. Jews - the rulers of Ukraine, one way or another connected with the USA and Israel.

              Therefore, the statement of the Ukronazis who sold themselves to pro-American Jews in power "above"",
              “We are not fascists – we have a Jewish president”
              does not climb into any gate!.
              1. -18
                23 March 2023 08: 38
                Feel free to add everyone you don't like to this gallery with stars - the Jews are to blame for all your troubles! lol
                1. +11
                  23 March 2023 09: 27
                  Quote: victor50
                  Feel free to add everyone you don't like to this gallery with stars - the Jews are to blame for all your troubles! lol

                  What about "like" or "dislike"? What matters is what they do.
                  They are all involved in their affairs in Ukraine in the GENOCIDE of the Russian people on ethnic grounds.
                  Do you want in their person to JUSTIFY the GENOCIDE, as such, organized by them in Ukraine over the Russian people and the Russian-speaking population?

                  Why do you think I have no right to speak out against this arbitrariness of the authorities of the Nazi regime in Kyiv and war crimes on their part? Why?!
                  Ask yourself - your conscience, if you have it! Why?
                  1. +2
                    23 March 2023 19: 22
                    I didn’t like this “in 1991, the “God-chosen” Ziononists eventually won.” I consider it humiliating for Russians to blame everything on the Jews. Think about it: where were we then? Why were the Jews allowed to do what you attribute to them? We, in general, ever happen "moreover"? Or, in your opinion, we are manipulated by everyone who is not lazy? So we will look for those to blame for all our troubles until we learn to be responsible for what we ourselves are doing. However, why am I? There has never been a time when those who believed in such theories tried to think and understand reality.
                  2. -1
                    23 March 2023 23: 22
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Do you want in their person to JUSTIFY the GENOCIDE, as such, organized by them in Ukraine over the Russian people and the Russian-speaking population?

                    A stamp instead of a serious analysis of the causes. And the Russians by nationality, the inhabitants of Ukraine, are not now fighting against us? Back in 15, I knew a Russian military commissar who said that he would go to war against us, although his son and grandchildren were Russian citizens of Russia. Genocide? Some kind of transcendent hatred of a Russian towards Russia. And he's not the only one, alas. And they are fighting for the world, built, in your words, by the Jews against the Russians. By the way, maybe, it seems to me, but the call for denazification has disappeared from officialdom. Stamps and a primitive explanation of the situation instead of a thoughtful analysis never help to solve the situation as you want.
                2. +6
                  23 March 2023 11: 57
                  Feel free to add everyone you don't like to this gallery with stars - the Jews are to blame for all your troubles!

                  ty, what about? does it really hurt someone's eyes?!

                  wherever you hear the crunch of rubles
                  or a penny drips loudly
                  a Jew sits nearby
                  or at least a Jewess.
                  Igor Guberman
                  Jewish poet is also unacceptable?
                  1. 0
                    23 March 2023 12: 18
                    Igor Guberman
                    Satirist (and drunk Yes ). Wouldn't you, on the basis of his rhymes-gariks, assert that homosexuals can give birth to children? And he wrote about it.
                  2. 0
                    23 March 2023 19: 27
                    Quote from: QuestionsNeudobny
                    ty, what about? does it really hurt someone's eyes?!

                    And to whom? And where is this truth? Are you sure of the infallibility of your own delusions?!
                3. -1
                  26 March 2023 09: 24
                  Comrade will outgrow this antics. This is age related, I also read URB about 15 years ago, looked at pictures with Jews, and so on. The easiest way is to blame others for your troubles, for not going to school, not achieving at work. And the national theme is very popular, especially anti-Semitism. By the way, there really are Zionists, and they are really evil, but not all Jews are Zionists. A person should be judged by deeds and it is better to form your own opinion, and not hang labels by nationality. All radical anti-Semites are also fascists, but so far all the steam goes off the whistle - they are not dangerous. But this does not mean that the office is not vigilant))))
              2. +1
                23 March 2023 11: 23
                "Mein Kampf" is far from the Talmud with its centuries-old laws for "God's chosen" Jews and the holy book "Taniya" of the Hasidim.
                Wow, did you read all these books to the end? lol ? Or did you find a free retelling online?
            2. +6
              23 March 2023 08: 08
              As one illegal immigrant in London told me, we are going to Europe to live like people, and not work like donkeys
              Well, if these "unfortunate refugees" do not go for work, but for a beautiful life, then, I believe, they will soon be greatly disappointed, unless, of course, the host country pursues an adequate domestic policy. So far, this policy is not visible. Hopefully just for now.
            3. +2
              24 March 2023 01: 51
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              This requires at least some, but the world. Otherwise, all conventions prohibit their deportation.

              So it is true, but in Poland not so long ago there was talk that it would be nice to send citizens of Ukraine of military age back, let them fight. It seems that even a deadline has been set for when it can begin.
              If the West needs something, it will not hesitate to wipe itself with any conventions.

              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              As one illegal immigrant in London told me, we are going to Europe to live like people, and not work like donkeys

              Well said.
              In Canada they are given three thousand per nose, so uk-ry is brought down in a stream especially for the sake of this money. They will arrive, live in a hotel for two weeks at the expense of Canadian taxpayers, receive three thousand and that's it, they go back. Round-trip tickets are free.
              You look at all this, and you feel like a helpless sucker who is being robbed by the state in order to give my money to uk-ram
              And don’t even dare to be indignant at the same time, otherwise you will fall into the "Putin's agents" right away.
          2. +5
            23 March 2023 06: 44
            Quote: Comrade
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.

            I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.
            Are Afghans and other parasites sent home? So these will be sent. They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it. There are no hostilities in Western Ukraine, so go there.

            I won’t be surprised if soon Ukrainians in the European Union will be arrested and handcuffed to the front, so that the RF Armed Forces will send them to Bandera. am
          3. +2
            23 March 2023 06: 45
            Quote: Comrade
            I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.

            I wouldn't think so. The folk gathered there cunning and arrogant, I know some of the former. More than that, able to think and work. Even if they are squeezed into a corner ..., given the realities, they can go to the service. the calculation is simple, for now and then, the war in Ukraine will end, at least the hot phase!
          4. +2
            23 March 2023 09: 14
            This process has been going on for more than a day, surprisingly, but they started from Poland))) I know not from the Internet, from my friends ... who, of course, are terribly unhappy
            1. Eug
              +2
              23 March 2023 09: 38
              There, many are not touched for medical reasons (a disabled person in the family), as well as those who are OFFICIALLY employed (they are deprived of benefits - yes, free housing too). And with those who work unofficially - everything is very strict, no matter - a refugee, not a refugee - deportation in 24 hours, unless they prove the need to care for a disabled person - a family member. But even here there may be options. It seems that in Finland (from the words), if you don’t get a job within 3 months (and with this there are huge problems due to the difficult language), they are deprived of benefits, and this immediately leads to the removal of minor children from their family of origin and their possible transfer to another "family", according to European criteria, quite prosperous (a couple of "stuffed cabbage rolls", for example). But in general, not everything is so scary, they mostly get settled, especially women.
          5. +1
            23 March 2023 11: 22
            Don't you think that Ukrainians will spread the infection of nationalism like cockroaches throughout "enlightened" Europe? Rabies is contagious!
            1. -3
              23 March 2023 12: 11
              Don't you think that Ukrainians will spread the infection of nationalism like cockroaches throughout "enlightened" Europe? Rabies is contagious!

              I’m still embarrassed to ask a question: where did the brown plague come to Ukraine from? from Russia or what?
            2. +3
              23 March 2023 12: 23
              Don't you think that Ukrainians will spread the infection of nationalism like cockroaches?
              They won't smash. For Western Europeans, Ukrainians are just another demanding rogue like the Somalis or Palestinians, who have settled in shabby "abibass" to live at their expense, that's all.
              1. +2
                24 March 2023 06: 30
                A friend from Munich wrote that these Ukrainians got it. Noisy, arrogant, like gypsies. They go in a camp, with children. They don't want to work. Live one day and on benefits. Familiar, lady with character. I've already put them in place a couple of times. Writes that the tail is tucked in and fled.
          6. +2
            23 March 2023 11: 38
            Quote: Comrade
            They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it.
            Criteria are some objective signs. Now the explanations are simpler, as in a scam: "these are the rules." To have someone to fight for the prize.
            1. +1
              23 March 2023 16: 50
              Now the explanations are simpler, as in a scam: "these are the rules."

              right, everything is democratic - a scam based on "rules" laughing
    2. +6
      23 March 2023 07: 39
      That the author, that commentators are looking for complex * reasons for building * * the success of the ideology of Europe *.
      Everything is simple and primitive.
      The basis of the * ideology * of the Germans-British-French and now is the * right * to colonies and slaves. Moreover, * the right * to plunder and slaves * is justified by scientific terms *.
      Europe is seduced by the national outskirts of RUSSIA * with the idea * of impunity for robbery and sadism.
      There is no other there.
      1. +3
        23 March 2023 09: 02
        And I am this
        do not impose together with our oppressors

        I don’t understand ... I mean, I won’t sit on one field?
    3. 0
      23 March 2023 10: 37
      This battle was lost even under the Bolsheviks
  2. +8
    23 March 2023 03: 45
    Decades of encouragement and indulgence made the ordinary Ukrainian die not for his home and family, but for the right to be part of the West in defiance of Russia. This, of course, is the strength of our enemy, which cannot be ignored.

    Everything is a bit more complicated.
    Of course, there are enough fanatics in Ukraine (Aidar, Azov and other right-wingers), but there are much more of those who go to war under duress. People are kidnapped not only on the streets, but also from their own houses and apartments, where military commissars break into, hunting for men. The latter are caught in ambulances and on electric scooters, they are beaten on the streets and dragged by force to the military registration and enlistment offices, they are intercepted at the borders and taken to the nearest military registration and enlistment office.
    Videos with such stories in bulk.
    It was not from a good life that Zelinsky banned military-age men from traveling abroad. This means that in Ukraine there is a serious problem with conscription, this means that many hundreds of thousands are not willing to go to their deaths, despite the propaganda.
    Having slightly altered Bulgakov, the average Ukrainian argues as follows: I love Ukraine without memory, but to fight for it is a mess with butter
    More than once I came across men who fled from Ukraine to Canada. All, as if by choice, ardent patriots. A complete gentleman's set - from yellow-blue ribbons and tridents on the entire back to forelocks and embroidered shirts - is evident. All, as one, fiercely hate the Russians, collectively dreaming of victory in Russia.
    And at the same time, everyone does not want to fight, and therefore they draped to the West.
    1. +16
      23 March 2023 04: 14
      And at the same time, everyone does not want to fight, and therefore they draped to the West.
      Here the question is a little more complicated.
      The original idea of ​​the Ukrainian Maidan and European integration was just "Drink kava in Paris", live in an Italian villa with a Danish salary, a Norwegian pension and German medicine. At the expense of others. As they themselves said, the Europeans will build advanced factories, autobahns, hospitals for us. It sounds stupid, yes, but I myself heard it from them and read it in their media. And something do it yourself- yes won mene treba wassat ?
      those who go to war from under the stick.
      It is worth noting that when the peremoga still seemed to them (thanks to the media) real, there were plenty of volunteers to fight and take part in the capture of Moscow. Only when the losses are 1000 per day (as I was told by the defenders of Londoner-on-Thames laughing ) it became impossible to hide from the people, and the capture of Krasnodar and the division of land there had to be postponed indefinitely, the dill had problems recruiting dolbo .. that is, volunteers.
      1. +10
        23 March 2023 04: 59
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Only when the loss of 1000 per day (as I was told by the defenders of Londoner-on-Thames laughing) did it become impossible to hide from the people

        Yes, there have already begun to bury in the regional centers. By the way, here is a photo from Zhytomyr. In the background are the usual nine-story buildings, and in front of them is the cemetery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Nazis.

        Judging by the number of flags, twenty graves of "heroes" fell into the frame.
        There is a video from there. The cemetery stretches for several kilometers, filmed on the move from the car.
        1. -5
          23 March 2023 08: 45
          Quote: Comrade
          Yes, there have already begun to bury in the regional centers.

          И что? О чем это говорит? И у нас хоронят? Или там и у нас - разные мотивы? Если так пойдет - мы тоже свое черное море где-нибудь выкопаем.. https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/12/16/71902598/#:~:text=%D0%9D%D0%B0%20%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%20%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5%20%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%B8%20%C2%AB%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%8E,%2D%2016%20%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%8F%202022%20%2D%20%D0%A4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0.
      2. +4
        23 March 2023 09: 17
        But we have not been trying to enter the same place for 30 years ... until now everything is stuffed with stamps about European quality, it is made according to imported technology ... and is this the most harmless thing you can find?
    2. +5
      23 March 2023 11: 26
      Quote: Comrade

      It was not from a good life that Zelinsky banned military-age men from traveling abroad. This means that in Ukraine there is a serious problem with conscription, this means that many hundreds of thousands are not willing to go to their deaths, despite the propaganda.

      They do not want to go to their death, but please kill it. Something not very good, these forcibly mobilized are in a hurry to surrender, I shoot to the end, and even our prisoners are shot for the sake of videos of what heroes they are.
    3. +5
      23 March 2023 12: 44
      Ukrainian nationalism is a tool of the Western powers.
      It is necessary to fight it effectively as Sudoplatov did - destroying the gaskets, those who supply and manage the nationalist agenda.
      1. -2
        23 March 2023 16: 55
        You need to fight it effectively as Sudoplatov did

        spray antibiotic against brown plague. from Il-76D aircraft. into multiple threads. from various echelons. using the antibiotic delivery vehicle D-1, D-10, Crossbow, etc.
  3. +1
    23 March 2023 04: 46
    Ukrainian nationalism is an ancient movement. It is enough to open the "TALE OF TIME YEARS" of the Kyiv monk - chronicler of St. Rev. O. Nestor.
    To read, so the tribe of glades (ancestors of Ukrainians) is holy, and those who are to the north are just beasts all without exception. Or did I not understand?

    It is curious why no one has given an assessment to this in Russia for many centuries? And what, all the Russian princes, tsars, the Russian Orthodox Church and Soviet historians tacitly agreed? We went through this at school.
    1. +4
      23 March 2023 05: 00
      those who are to the north are just a beast
      In those days, EVERYONE spoke of their neighbors like that.
      1. +3
        23 March 2023 05: 11
        The same o. Nestor spoke of the neighbors in different ways. In those days, Byzantium was also a neighbor of Rus'.
    2. +2
      23 March 2023 07: 16
      I am currently writing a book about it. The title is "Forward to the West". There is a link in the profile, the first 22 chapters are ready.
    3. +2
      23 March 2023 12: 21
      Quote: ivan2022
      To read, so the tribe of glades (ancestors of Ukrainians) is sacred
      Not everything is clear with the glades. In addition to PVL, medieval sources first name the inhabitants of the Gniezno principality as such, and then all the Poles of the country of Polonia. How they ended up on the Dnieper is unclear, and there were no fields in the place of Kyiv. And to sculpt a historical ethnic group from Ukrainians is another idea.
      1. +7
        23 March 2023 12: 53
        PS Got it! Ukrainians become glades in Poland at strawberry picking.
        1. +1
          23 March 2023 16: 57
          strange, I thought - farm laborers! laughing
          1. +3
            23 March 2023 20: 08
            And who can forbid a laborer to be called a glade or, for example, an Ostrogoth. The main thing is that you don’t crush strawberries, don’t smoke or crap in the field, and there - even if he calls himself a Sumer or an Aryan, it doesn’t matter.
            1. +1
              24 March 2023 09: 10
              it is truth too! slaves are free to choose their own urge
  4. +5
    23 March 2023 05: 20
    I wonder where is the line of nationalism that cannot be crossed? The Ukraine that we have appeared thanks to our efforts. While the propagandists were explaining to our people about the torchlight processions, our oligarchs tried very diligently to support the Ukrainian authorities. We have a whole army of political scientists. With their hatred on TV, they could have swept away the Zelensky regime in one moment. But this is just fist-waving. It’s not worse when anger is not confirmed by deeds. It’s even worse when some political scientists say what will happen to Russia if it fails. If this has already arisen in the minds, then everything needs to be corrected.
    1. +2
      23 March 2023 05: 26
      Just organized porridge in their heads. The world bourgeoisie, the main religions: Christianity, Islam-nationalism do not suffer at all. There was no official national division in the Russian Empire either. The main feature of the subjects was religion and class.

      But there are also examples of innate nationalism - Jewish, Ukrainian, general Western. ..... These are particularly susceptible
    2. 0
      23 March 2023 10: 55
      Edge? Very simple. As soon as the competition between nations goes beyond pure reproduction, then other methods are connected. They can be characterized by the concept of mutual assistance. It is wide, because it includes both a harmless component for the surrounding nations, and a criminal nature (that is, already infringing on other nations). In all cases, this line begins with "clumping" (creation of a diaspora) overt or covert, and often not a component of the so-called. mono-ethnic concentrate, but scattered across different countries. Starting from this moment, competition becomes unfair in all areas (economic, social, etc.) and sooner or later the infringement of other nations begins, which, if the algorithm is not violated (accidentally or meaningfully), eventually takes extreme forms. Such competition can be both supported and limited. In the history of mankind, various, let's say, organizations have been engaged in this.
    3. 0
      23 March 2023 11: 09
      Nikolay Malyugin
      I wonder where is the line of nationalism that cannot be crossed?

      —-Your comment framed the question as “when nationalism leads to Nazism… in the footsteps of the Nazism of the Reich for example…”? Marxism - Leninism defined fascism as the inevitability of imperialism...and Nazism as its expression...this is of course unsuitable in the case of Ukraine. Some theorists believe that right-wing totalitarianism leads to fascism, and possibly Nazism. Even inevitable.

      —-I believe that when extreme nationalism (the ideology of Nazism) is enshrined in the laws of the state, then it is already very difficult to fight it within the state. Linguistic exclusivity, the lustration of political rivals, especially recent ones, the legislative consolidation of elements of nationalism - can lead to Nazism. It's possible and likely, but I don't think it's necessary.

      —-However, when the state transfers or loses the monopoly on violence to the nationalists, then this line has already been passed. This is Nazism in practice... This is Maidan 2014.
    4. +2
      23 March 2023 14: 18
      And the line is clear enough. As soon as other nations (even if some) are declared "primordial enemies", "subhuman". When the fight against these nations, their destruction is declared a manifestation of national pride.
  5. +2
    23 March 2023 05: 37
    .The fact is that the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos. At first, there were relatively mild attempts to expel the Jews away from Germany, for example, to Madagascar.

    Did this paragraph bother anyone?
    "Not immediately" and "soft attempts" - are they about pogroms, execution on the spot of prisoners of war and other crimes? This despite the fact that many KZ began to function since the mid-30s? And the tale about Madagascar is generally populism for the Western layman
    You give out strange things, comrade Fedorov ....
    1. +3
      23 March 2023 06: 19
      Did this paragraph bother anyone?
      Confused, confused .. But this is different laughing
    2. +6
      23 March 2023 10: 43
      the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos. At first, there were relatively mild attempts to expel the Jews away from Germany, for example, to Madagascar ... - "... this paragraph did not bother anyone .." - Dmitry_7)

      —-Based on the facts… Dachau was opened at 33, Buchenwald at 37. The total number of deaths in both ~100,000, prisoners ~430,000. Dachau - communists, social democrats, criminals ... Reich within its borders. The Jews of the Reich - since 1938 (for this very reason) ... By the way, ~ 250,000 out of 437,000 emigrated, including those forced from 33 to 39. The first pogroms and mass arrests in 38, with the reason "the murder of a German diplomat in France by a Polish Jew" - about 100 killed and 30,000 arrested. "Madagascar" was planned from 38 to 40, using the British fleet.

      —- As a matter of principle, the Reich did not use German territory for death camps. And the policy was different in relation to the Jews of Western Europe - they sent Poland and Riga to the death camps, starting from the age of 41.

      —-Starting from the USSR, the Wehrmacht and the SS shot Jewish prisoners and communists, political workers, Soviet workers, partisans ... on the spot, Order von Brauchitsch June 6, 41. The Reich considered the eviction and resettlement of Russians beyond the Urals. Polyakov - near Leningrad.

      --- The meeting on the "Final Solution" of the Jews of Europe took place at the beginning of 42 years. Prior to this, the Jews of the occupied regions of the USSR, and partially of Poland, were exterminated.

      —- So, according to the facts, Evgeny Fedorov is absolutely right. And this dynamics of crimes reflects the development of Nazism and nationalism - from Mein Kampf ... to the Putsch ... victory in the elections 33 ... the murder of Rem ... the Reichstag fire ... Munich 38, the beginning of WWII and the defeat of France and Poland ... June 22, 41 ... and defeat under Moscow, December 41…. All these and other events are milestones in the PRACTICE of Nazism, despite the cornerstone of the racial theory of "Mein Kampf"

      — In this sense, Ukrainian Nazism is not unique. Its racial, Russophobic and Judeophobic essence is unchanged. Practice is a matter of epochs and years. And the election of Zelinsky is a tactical move that guarantees the support of the Jewish elites, intertwined with the power elites of the West.
      1. 0
        24 March 2023 03: 51
        Thank you for such a detailed and detailed comment. One feels confident legal acumen. Without a shadow of irony, honestly. Sincerely hi
        I have no desire to enter into controversy, although there are controversial points. I want to say something else - why this paragraph caused a negative reaction.

        For a long time, and gradually, in portions, theses aimed at "humanizing", justifying, "whitewashing" the German fascist regime and the executors of its bloody, diabolical will were introduced into the mass consciousness: from the polite "yes, not all Germans are like that, there were people" to the frank "Yes, it would be better if the Germans conquered us, they wouldn't kill everyone anyway, right now they would live much better." This was especially evident in the "holy 90s" and "well-fed zero".

        Pseudo-scientific articles and books, memoirs and revelations of rear rats, false documentaries on TV, even feature films with a touch of "German-fascist humanity" were shot. I also remember very well the article in "MK" that all the tortures in the house on Friedrich Strasse were staged, a documentary cycle by Kiselyov, with the main motive - Stalin was going to take over Europe, the disgusting film "Bastards" with an exclaiming fascist officer "Oh, Lord, what are we doing! These are children" and other blatant lies and profanity.

        And in our difficult time, no, no, but there are attempts to give out "that soot is white." What should not be categorically allowed, even in such trifles as the paragraph I highlighted. There is no doubt that this article is necessary and relevant, but in such acute topics, a professional journalist must avoid constructions that can lead to a double interpretation of the text.
        hi
    3. 0
      23 March 2023 17: 00
      And the tale about Madagascar is generally populism for the Western layman
      You give out strange things, comrade Fedorov ....

      an even stranger tale is given out by certain people about a certain Holocaust. under the guise of which so much dough was claimed, as in that film - "You never dreamed of", but this does not surprise you. weird!
      1. 0
        24 March 2023 03: 32
        Nothing weird!
        The Holocaust took place - people were actually burned by ECHELONS, and not only and not so much Jews, but also Russians, Belarusians, Little Russians, Poles, Gypsies, and the Europeans themselves.
        And the fact that the "Aryan" non-humans were sponsored, controlled and directed by their satanic activities by non-human Zionists from the USA is already an established fact. For the sake of getting a gesheft, it cost them nothing to kill 6 million "their own", that is, Jews, with the hands of the Germans. What to say about the Slavs?
        It is enough to read "Shulchan Aruch" and "Catechism of a Jew in the USSR" to understand what evil spirits have a place to be on earth
        1. 0
          24 March 2023 09: 12
          the Holocaust is the definition of the extermination of Jews exclusively, it was the Jews themselves who came up with it .. do not mix everything and everything. when everyone is in a row, then this is genocide.
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 10: 13
            I did not mix anything, I know the difference. And I know that the term "Holocaust" was invented by the Jews, who subsequently received various kinds of benefits here, on the manipulation of this term.
            Here it is appropriate to ask the question: why is there no such term in our historiography? The term for the extermination of 27 million of our fellow citizens? "Genocide", "war crimes", "crimes against humanity" are inherently terrible words and phrases, nevertheless having a vague figurative perception.
            And the capacious, biting "holocaust", "holodomor" immediately sink into the soul of the layman, the mass person, create the so-called anchor, the origin of coordinates, on which, naturally, through the media, social institutions, the necessary ideological constructions can and should be strung.
            What term would you suggest for the genocide of Soviet citizens? In a word
  6. +6
    23 March 2023 05: 38
    In Ukraine, "Nationalism" comes out of print under the authorship of Dmitry Dontsov.
    "Nationalism" was first published in the publishing house and printing house of Fathers Vasilyyan in Zhovkva, which was part of Poland. The sponsor was the Ukrainian military organization of Yevgeny Konovalets. Since 1922, the UVO began active cooperation with German intelligence.
  7. +6
    23 March 2023 06: 03
    We are not fascists - we have a Jewish president


    And all these Ukrainians hope for a rich life under their president? laughing
    What fools and narrow-minded people they are!
    1. +4
      23 March 2023 06: 12
      What fools and narrow-minded people they are!

      A monkey sits on the bank of a river and washes a banana peel. The lion comes up and asks:
      - Monkey, what are you doing?
      - Give me two rubles, I'll tell you.
      He stood, thought the lion, and interest is bursting. Gives two rubles, and the monkey to him:
      - My banana peel.
      Lion with anger:
      - Are you at all?
      - Well, not at all, but I have ten a day. An old African tale.
    2. +5
      23 March 2023 09: 21
      So they already have the 2nd Jew (though the Jews call such Jews) and they live better and better ...
  8. +3
    23 March 2023 06: 20
    Quote: Comrade
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Now it is necessary to feed the whole horde, including the combatants so needed at the front.

    I won’t be surprised if they start to squeeze them back a little over time. First, the work permit will no longer be renewed, then the allowance will be taken away. And there, things can go as far as deportations - they will naturally start from the Baltic states and Poland.
    Are Afghans and other parasites sent home? So these will be sent. They'll say you don't qualify for asylum, and that's it. There are no hostilities in Western Ukraine, so go there.

    While the NWO is going on, they, refugees, cannot be sent anywhere in accordance with the UN Convention, those who have applied for asylum; they are under the article of the same Convention in all respects. And why: assimilate, go to work.
    1. 0
      23 March 2023 17: 03
      While the NWO is going on, they, refugees, cannot be sent anywhere in accordance with the UN Convention

      the whole world has long been putting on this very un with the device. muddy organization, on the territory of the mattress flag, led by NATO ghouls.
  9. +9
    23 March 2023 07: 18
    in the Stalinist USSR for a long time they figured out from innovation what fascism, Nazism and nationalism are. Ideas were brewing that the peoples would not follow all this muck, but would follow the ideas of worker-peasant dictatorships. Even the Great Stalin, at the initial stage of the construction of the USSR, did not understand that Nazism and fascism could be "synthesized" from nationalism and hatred of the Russians and the most powerful drug would turn out.
    But Stalin created Sudoplatov's office and various Konovaltsy there, and not only Ukrainian ones, went to their graves. But drug addiction is so terrible that the craving does not disappear from the elimination of the dealer ...
    And then the dogma about the friendship of peoples fell like a screen on this problem. Nationalists hid behind this screen both in Ukraine and in the Baltic states and waited for the arrival of Hitler's hordes. They understood that even if they licked all the most immodest places to the Germans to a shine, all the same, Hitler would not allow them to create their own and independent states. That's why they acted like wolves in a sheepfold - they burned, shot, raped and killed for their own pleasure, discovering that they finally got to this drug.
    How many were there? And so much so that Khrushchev classified this data in horror, and Shcherbitsky, they say, lay at the feet of Brezhnev, if only he also kept this data a secret. From here today's trouble grows. For seventy years it was silent that before the German Nazism was going to destroy the Russians, before that, Ukrainian Nazism set such a task.
    But it would be interesting to know the ratio - how many black marketeers who sold jeans and nylon raincoats and how many lived in the ideas of Ukrainian Nazism were caught by the Khrushchev-Brezhnev KGB. Probably 10:1! And what, did Tenigboks, Yaroshi and Leshko take elective lessons of Nazism from Kravchuk and Kuchma only from the nineties? But the Committee was called State Security. Well, how did those Benderites crawl into power and from where did Gorbachev and Yeltsin also come to power. What kind of State Security Committee was this?
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 08: 16
      in the Stalinist USSR for a long time they figured out from innovation what fascism, Nazism and nationalism are. Ideas were brewing that the peoples would not follow all this muck, but would follow the ideas of worker-peasant dictatorships.
      The people there followed Nazism after the communists were imprisoned in the same Germany and Italy. There were no alternative ideas, but this one gave the layman a good life in case of victory. But there was no victory.
    2. 0
      23 March 2023 17: 07
      But Stalin created Sudoplatov's office

      Sudoplatov was the head of the 4th department of the NKVD of the USSR. he did not have his own "office"
  10. +5
    23 March 2023 07: 37
    There is no good nationalism.
    Nationalism is always bad.
    A person cannot be better than another only by the fact of being born in some tribe.
    This is a relic of the tribal system.
    This is the cause of wars and conflicts.
    This is something that is unacceptable in the cultural matrix of empires, Christianity, communism.
    For Russia, nationalism is also unacceptable because the Russians are a synthesis nation that includes many tribes and peoples. Our identification is by language, not by blood.
    1. -1
      23 March 2023 13: 24
      A person cannot be better than another only by the fact of being born in some tribe.
      In one tribe, fast neutron reactors are built, and in another (the Mundari tribe in Africa), they wash themselves with cow urine for lack of running water. And everyone is equal, yeah Yes .
      1. 0
        23 March 2023 18: 03
        In one tribe, fast neutron reactors are built, and in another (the Mundari tribe in Africa), they wash themselves with cow urine for lack of running water. And everyone is equal, yeah
        It's not about the initial conditions that you described here. The fact is that each tribe helps the other to reach its level, that's the problem.
  11. +14
    23 March 2023 07: 37
    Once again, we were told the origins and seriousness of the threat from Ukrainian nationalism. What is it that opposes her? A country without an official ideology. In which huckstering crushed everything and everyone. Until now, for example, the supply of alcohol from Ukraine has not been blocked, although the owner of Khortytsya unfastens significant amounts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Why? Yes, because his "partners" in Russia are exactly the same, if Friedman is ready to give up his assets in favor of Ukraine, and Abramovich takes out British mercenaries on his plane. And it is these "partners" who determine the actions of the Russian authorities, which are mired in "agreements", muddy exchanges and "deals", following which we are regularly told that the Russian side was being led by the nose. I just want to get a handkerchief and wipe the nose of the members of the Russian delegation! Naturally, those who are at the front have a question: What are we fighting for? For another "goodwill gesture"?
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 08: 02
      A country without an official ideology. In which huckstering crushed everything and everyone.
      You write that there is no ideology and immediately refute yourself. hi
  12. +3
    23 March 2023 08: 08
    The fact is that the Germans did not immediately drive the Slavs and Jews into concentration camps and ghettos.
    Well, wow, what nice people laughing They wouldn’t go straight to the camps, but it turns out they probably still thought whether to drive or not to drive .. laughingIt turns out that the German Nazis were better than the Ukrainian ones ... laughing
  13. +2
    23 March 2023 08: 47
    The trouble with Ukraine is that the Ukrainians do not even understand that they have enslaved again - this time the Anglo-Saxons.
    And the same situation - the loss of Russia, admitted in 2014, when Putin, who made a terrible mistake, refused to help Ukraine stand against the West - which ultimately led to the current war on the West's terms.
  14. 0
    23 March 2023 08: 47
    History is cyclical. If there is no attractive ideology, in a critical situation, brown grease is sure to pour into the rusty mechanism of the state. Only the shade changes according to the situation.

    "Frankly, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism." - Agree.

    "amorphous consistency, united at best by greedy interests"))
    Is this about the denazifier country?)
  15. +1
    23 March 2023 09: 16
    Quote from Kuziming
    There is no good nationalism.
    Nationalism is always bad.
    A person cannot be better than another only by the fact of being born in some tribe.
    This is a relic of the tribal system.
    This is the cause of wars and conflicts.
    This is something that is unacceptable in the cultural matrix of empires, Christianity, communism.
    For Russia, nationalism is also unacceptable because the Russians are a synthesis nation that includes many tribes and peoples. Our identification is by language, not by blood.

    Totally agree with you . Recently, people often try to invent whole theories, whether nationalism is a completely innocent child for fun inside the nation-tribe-society. But it is nationalism that obliges us to elevate ourselves and our compatriots above other members of this community of people, since sterile societies without an admixture of foreigners do not exist for a long time. When nationalism elevates some over others in its particular society-state, it will stop those same ones from being elevated to other neighboring society-states. Nazism grows out of this "innocent child" of nationalism...
  16. +3
    23 March 2023 09: 40
    Do not confuse nationalism and patriotism. Patriotism is love for one's Motherland, acceptance of people of any nationality and religion living in it as compatriots, readiness to defend the Motherland and compatriots, regardless of what nationality they are. ANY nationalism is propaganda of the superiority of one nationality over another and the appointment of an enemy of people of another nationality - Russians, Jews, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Serbs, etc. ANY nationalism is the accusation of all the troubles and problems of people of another nationality, the cultivation of hatred towards them. Not a search for reasons that you yourself are doing it wrong and wrong, but a search for those who can be accused of all mortal sins and write off all your own jambs on them. Cultivating sentiments that without you, without your country, all neighbors will die of starvation, and if this does not happen, then frenzied propaganda that your neighbor is robbing you, occupying land that is not yours, etc.
  17. -2
    23 March 2023 10: 12
    Nationalism is bad under any sauce - international is good in any form.
    All these stories about the preservation of the language, identity, national traditions lead to nationalism and chauvinism.
    The International only leads to development and peace.
    1. -3
      23 March 2023 10: 31
      The International only leads to development and peace.
      International in real life leads to the loss of identity and peace on the terms of those who are smart enough to discard this toxic, outwardly beautiful idea. That is, to the loss and assimilation of the internationalists.
      1. 0
        23 March 2023 11: 20
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        The International only leads to development and peace.
        International in real life leads to the loss of identity and peace on the terms of those who have the mind to discard this toxic, outwardly beautiful c.

        Some dancers even get in the way of eggs. And their own oil and gas fields are a curse.

        But the bourgeois have become international, and have not lost a damn thing. On the contrary, they acquired the whole world. Just like Marx, who tried to explain this to the hard-nosed proletarians ... Yes, all to no purpose !!
      2. -3
        23 March 2023 12: 42
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        The International only leads to development and peace.
        International in real life leads to the loss of identity and peace on the terms of those who are smart enough to discard this toxic, outwardly beautiful idea. That is, to the loss and assimilation of the internationalists.

        For example, Judas Iscariot "had the sense to reject" Christ., "externally beautiful" ...... which led Christ to "lose".
        General Vlasov, and then Yeltsin, "had the sense to discard the outwardly beautiful" Soviet ideology.
        Your logic is understandable .... directly spiritually strong. Heh ..... he confessed.. Let's remember.
        1. +1
          23 March 2023 12: 50
          You understand the logic
          This is not logic, this is the result of observations. I live in England and I see how a bunch of miserable stupid "refugees" from a tiny province of a godforsaken country, thanks to a sense of elbow, can at the expense of others secure a place in the sun that they do not deserve. This works wherever there is at least the beginnings of "internationalism". Stolypin will not let you lie with his reasoning about manure.
          Let's remember.
          You can write in a book tongue give me a separate page Yes .
          1. -1
            23 March 2023 13: 47
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            You understand the logic
            This is not logic, this is the result of observations. I live in England and I see how a bunch of miserable stupid "refugees" from a tiny province of a country forgotten by God, thanks to a sense of elbow, can at the expense of others .... Stolypin will not let him lie with his reasoning about manure.
            Let's remember.
            You can write in a book tongue give me a separate page Yes .

            Write down - don't write down - You have written yourself into the Network forever ... Congratulations! laughing
            1. The result of observations is one thing, but its meaning is another. That's the meaning you did not understand. There is no logic in your reasoning, even though you yourself are in England.
            2. Stolypin spoke about national self-consciousness, and in any nation a child from 6 years old has it. A Russian understands that he is Russian, and a Jew understands that he is a Jew. Your idol Stolypin was a pretty freak. I wanted to forcefully turn Russia into America.
            3. "Feeling of the elbow" is available in any gang. And what do you have to be a bandit?
            4. It is not nationalism that helps people, but any unifying idea. Who has grown to what extent, and will receive so much. Primitive to savages, more modern to civilized.
            5. Why are you in England yourself? Look, Russia has left the wrong ideas, what else do you need?
            6. According to the UN rating, the USSR in 1988 ranked No. 26 in terms of living standards. "under internationalism". And today Russia is a place number 60+. Why ?
            7 Because the bulk of the population sent Soviet ideas to hell, and internationalism is only among the super-rich. Which brought to the West in dollars - far from one national annual budget of Russia.
            Conclusion ; Whoever has a unifying idea is in chocolate.
            An idea is a tool; it does not work on its own. With an ax he will build a smart house, and a stupid one will kill his neighbor. But there is no tool here.
            1. -2
              23 March 2023 14: 08
              Why are you in England?
              Because I need a visa to come to Russia to see, but to live in England, no. And yes, I like it here.
              The USSR in 1988 ranked No. 26 in terms of living standards
              I don’t know about the place, but when in the USSR they stood in line for Yugoslav boots, the mother-in-law bought a new car in France every 3-5 years.
              The rest of your theses, how to say it, are of little use. whether laughing .
              1. -2
                23 March 2023 15: 54
                but when in the USSR they stood in line for Yugoslav boots, the mother-in-law bought a new car in France every 3-5 years.

                And?
              2. -2
                23 March 2023 17: 14
                Why are you in England?
                Because I need a visa to come to Russia to see, but to live in England, no. And yes, I like it here.

                Outskirts of London, early morning.
                knock Knock
                - Who is there?
                - Boris Abramovich! to you - Ramon Mercader!
          2. -3
            23 March 2023 17: 11
            I live in England and see how a bunch of miserable stupid "refugees" from a tiny province of a godforsaken country thanks to a sense of elbow

            "I watch TV and I assure you that I know our youth very well!"
            x/f "Courier"
  18. -1
    23 March 2023 11: 54
    Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. This is a very important factor in the self-awareness of the nation, the formation of a worldview and identity. A nation without nationalism is impossible in principle.

    Oh no. Nationalism is always bad. because it is he who becomes the most fertile ground for Nazism, fascism, Zionism and rabid exclusivity. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    It is always required to subtly feel the edge and not slide into the abyss.

    No. drug addicts in the same way assure at first that they will stop at any moment. won't stop. and how do you propose to "subtly feel the edge"? The edge is such a stray, everyone has their own.
    Remember the brinkmanship of the nationalists? So, somewhere at the turn of the century, the balance was finally lost.

    exactly. absolutely and unconditionally, the line will be blurred and everything will fly into hell.
    not nationalism is needed, but patriotism. only true, and not "leavened", "homemade-gorlopansky".
  19. +3
    23 March 2023 12: 22
    Quote: Tatiana
    On the personal initiative of M. S. Gorbachev, on December 16, 1991, at the 74th plenary session, by the resolution of the UN General Assembly A / RES / 46/86, resolution 3379 (XXX) was recognized as NULL, in which ZIONISM is recognized by the whole world as a form of racism and racial discrimination ( h_ttp://www.un.org/russian/Docs/journal/asp/ws.asp?m=A/RES/46/86).

    This is a shameful fact of our history.
    Now the Zionists of our site will begin to actively minus you for this.

    The site is parked in Israel.
    Even with a harmless mention of the works of I.R. Shafarevich (Russophobia, Notes of a Russian by extremists), they (the Zionists) are beginning to be mangled.

    I was even asked not to post screenshots of the posts of stubborn Zionists from TV9 in Israel, because. it immediately becomes clear which country is enemy number 1 for Russia.

    And now, during the NWO, Israel, actively helping the Ukroreich (155mm, shells from storage, intelligence, instructors - personnel of the IDF, etc.) is a country friendly to Russia.

    The fifth, Zionist column on our TV (Russophobe Pozner, verbiage Shapiro / Solovyov, etc.) are actively brainwashing the population.

    Shapiro / Solovyov, on the air, never heard a word about the huge assistance that Israel provides to Ukororeikh.
    This is a taboo.
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 12: 35
      words about the great help that Israel provides to Ukororeich.
      Bulgarian brothers help dill much more.
      instructors - personnel IDF
      There, every second person can call himself a Tsakhalovite. But they are there on their own initiative. Have you noticed how almost all Israelis have disappeared from the forum? Most of them come from Ukraine and in spite of everything, they love Ridna Nenko. With instructors, the same situation. And by the way, there are more Russian citizens of the Russian Federation in the ukrovermacht than Israelis.
    2. 0
      23 March 2023 17: 16
      so what to do? Well, it’s not true for the Jews. prickly eyes. here they are downvoted. let them minus. from their anger they become so weak. this is in our favor!
  20. 0
    23 March 2023 12: 52
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Bulgarian brothers help dill much more.

    Oh, how they "wrapped up".
    The fact that Israeli weapons are sent through the port of Burgas does not make them Bulgarian.
    Israeli members of the forum went to kill Russians, a landmark event.
    Moved from words to deeds.

    Regarding the Russians in the ranks of Ukroreikh.
    Vlasov, Tatars and others also fought on the side of the Nazis.

    It is disgusting that "our" Jews are helping not Russia, but Israel.
    They redeem the TsAKHAL soldiers from captivity, or exchange them for some kind of fit, such as Medvedchuk.

    By the way, not a single Russian Jew oligarch said a word in support of the CVO!
    On the contrary, they are trying to "clear up" before the West, like Aven, Friedman.

    However, other richest Russian oligarchs are silent about supporting the NWO.
    PS Bulgarian authorities are still fitting. However, the whole of Europe, Czechs, Slovenes, Slovaks, etc. are against us.
    The Bulgarians are worse. Everyone wants to kill Russians.

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      23 March 2023 13: 01
      Israeli weapons are sent through the port of Burgas
      The fact of the matter is that the weapon was produced in Bulgaria according to Soviet technologies and standards. Ukraine needs 152mm shells and 82mm mines, not 155 and 81.
      The Bulgarians are worse. Everyone wants to kill Russians.
      Bulgarians do not want to kill Russians. Communicated many times, there is no more Russophile country in the EU. But no one asks them. If the British were asked - do you want to give a billion pounds to the needs of Ukraine (the price of building an excellent turnkey hospital), then the answer would be clear.
    3. -1
      23 March 2023 17: 18
      It is disgusting that "our" Jews are helping not Russia, but Israel.
      They redeem the TsAKHAL soldiers from captivity, or exchange them for some kind of fit, such as Medvedchuk.

      but Iran buys the Su-35. the Israeli Luftwaffe will wash itself with tears of blood. by all means
  21. -2
    23 March 2023 12: 56
    "Frankly, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism. This is a very important factor in the self-awareness of the nation, the formation of a worldview and identity. A nation without nationalism is impossible in principle."

    On the contrary, nationalism parasitizes on the interests of the nation, although it is possible without it. And the nation is the people of the era of capitalism, aware of their interests. Including internal, class. A vivid example of a "ukroreich" as an underdeveloped nation - they have nationalism, but there is no real awareness of their interests. After all, they could, cretins, flourish.
  22. +3
    23 March 2023 12: 57
    There would not have been so many problems with Ukrainian nationalism, if not for the mistakes made in the USSR:
    - released those who fought in gangs
    - Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR
    - obligatory study of the Ukrainian language in all regions of the Ukrainian SSR, including the Donbas, where Ukrainian has never been spoken.
    Why not optional teaching of the Ukrainian language?
    - at the head of the Ukrainian SSR were individuals against coexistence with Russia
  23. +2
    23 March 2023 13: 28
    Someone jinxed them. Has long been. And they jumped, in 1991 50 million people lived in the Ukrainian SSR, and now there are a maximum of 25. No country in the world has lost weight like that in 30 years. Natural population decline, plus migration to the east and west, the loss of territories, now also the war.
    There is no need to say anything about education, science, culture, industry. They are eating away the Soviet heritage, they have not built anything of their own in 30 years. They ruined relations with all the neighbors, well, the Poles wink, holding a machine gun behind their backs. Annexation.
    But according to self-assessment, Ukrainians are number 1 in the universe. Brainwashed, morale reflashed, hangover will be very bitter. And it will.
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  25. +2
    23 March 2023 15: 47
    All these regrets and cries, of course, have a basis, it seems that the answer to the question "who is to blame?" but nowhere is it possible to find the answer to the question "what to do?" As Catherine said while teaching her son Pavel - My son, if you think that ideas can only be fought with guns, then your fate will be sad. To adopt the experience of the Bolsheviks, who, in defiance of the UNR and the Petliuras with Skoropadsky, first created the Krivoy Rog-Donetsk Republic and then the Ukrainian SSR. And in the end, they attracted the population of Ukraine to their side, but firstly, the current leadership of Russia shudders nervously at the name of Lenin, Stalin and the national policy of the Bolsheviks (and it was one hundred percent effective, no matter what they grumbled about "Lenin's mines") and in- secondly, with the current arrangement in bourgeois Russia, it's like trying to insert an engine from a tank into a small car. Not the same design.
  26. +1
    23 March 2023 17: 34
    The last final paragraph disappointed with its negligence and thoughtlessness.
  27. -1
    23 March 2023 21: 44
    The author was not quite right. More precisely, he is completely wrong: there is no good, gentle, respectful nationalism, in the sense of “in general”. National mentality should not be confused with nationalism. If only because the first concept is based on pride in one's nation, its culture, art and history, with simultaneous respect and good neighborly existence with other nations. And about the second, even Count Tolstoy spoke briefly and convincingly: "Nationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel who is trying to use the national idea for his dirty, powerful and selfish purposes." Unfortunately, the line between these two forms of national self-consciousness is indeed very thin and fragile, and therefore easily overcome. This is what we got with the collapse of the USSR, which in the last years of its existence was already openly suffering from the irreversible and active degeneration of the national mentality into nationalism, moreover, in all the union republics (and not only in Ukraine). Unfortunately, this happened with non-resistance (if not irresponsible assistance) of the central government, which had long lost control of the opposition to this phenomenon, which was destroying the multinational Soviet state.
  28. +1
    23 March 2023 22: 10
    Purely into space, but I would like to remind you ... "IN Ukraine" without any "In Ukraine". The use of "V" is contrary to the established practice of the Russian language and incredibly, but unreasonably, inflates the sense of self-grandness among the "citizens" of the failed state on the territory of 404.
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    24 March 2023 17: 47
    Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism.


    In my opinion there is no "healthy nationalism" in principle.
    It's like a "benign neoplasm", which at any time can degenerate into cancer.
    It is advisable to remove for preventive purposes.

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