The army will cease to send from school

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The army will cease to send from school

The lower bar of military age in Russia must be increased from 18 to 19 years, suggested Vladimir Komoyedov, head of the Duma defense committee. In an interview with the newspaper "Izvestia", the admiral explained that, barely reaching adulthood, young people are simply not ready for the "burden and deprivation of military service." "In 18 for years, this is not yet a fighter, but an immature organism. And in 19 years, it’s almost a man, not only physically, but also morally," he stated. How a young man’s body undergoes such "radical changes" over the year, the parliamentarian did not explain.

Komoyedov recalled that at the time when he served in navy, in the army, almost no one had problems with weight loss. Now, according to him, in the army canteens there are special tables for such servicemen, whom the politician described as "underfeeding." “The army and navy need courageous, mature guys. Now many are going to the army right from the school bench, and this is fundamentally wrong,” the admiral shared his opinion. As for the upper bar of draft age, Komoyedov suggested not changing it.

Also, the head of the Duma committee told what to expect the army from the new Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu. Komoyedov admitted that he did not discuss his proposal with the head of the Ministry of Defense, but only congratulated him on his appointment, but said that their meeting would take place in the near future.

Answering the question that Shoigu should be left from the “Serdyukov’s inheritance” (ex-minister of defense) and what to change, the admiral said: “It’s not a day to deal with the inheritance. who were at one time very offended by the fact that they are commanded by "jackets" and "Amazons". "

On the eve Komoyedov came up with another initiative - to increase the service life of conscription to one and a half years. The politician described the earlier reduction of service to one year by a “political decision”, which negatively affected the entire combat readiness of the army as a whole.

In the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff, such an idea was approving, but human rights activists and the Union of Committees of Soldiers' Mothers took the offer with hostility, calling it a desire to curry favor with the authorities and returning to hazing. The Kremlin, in turn, said they were not going to break the promise given earlier by President Putin not to raise the draft age.

Komoyedov, in turn, noted that he understood this reaction. "Nobody, in general, says that all this will be done right tomorrow. This is a normal decision-making procedure - an idea is born first, then it gains argumentation, support in society, in the leadership of the country, and then it comes to life. I think “With current problems with personnel, the army will sooner or later come to the conclusion that the draft will be extended,” he retorted, adding that the issue would still be considered at a meeting of the defense committee.
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  1. ughhh
    +3
    23 November 2012 12: 36
    That is correct.
    1. YARY
      +2
      23 November 2012 12: 40
      It is debatable that over a year an adult can overthrow a foreign country, catch an infection, give birth to a child, but you never know!
      And on the other hand what? soldier
      1. +4
        23 November 2012 13: 31
        YARY, foolishly, all this can be got by 18 years.
      2. Trofimov174
        +1
        23 November 2012 14: 22
        I have a great example of the "other side" from life: my friend was almost dragged into the army when he graduated from school, applied to the university, but there was no order to enroll yet. I had to pay off.
      3. predator.3
        +1
        23 November 2012 14: 45
        The head of the Russian Space Systems (RKS) company, Yuri Urlichich, wrote a letter of resignation due to illness, the head of the Russian Space Agency, Vladimir Popovkin, said on Friday.

        “He wrote a statement about nursing care. This week, maybe even on Saturday, or in the very next few days, I think his request for resignation will be approved, ”Popovkin told reporters in the State Duma.

        Police in early November reported that they identified the theft of 6,5 billion rubles in the company committed in the development of the GLONASS navigation system. After that, Urlichich was dismissed from the post of general designer of the CSW (general designer of the GLONASS system).
        Read on the RIA Novosti website
        1. not good
          +1
          23 November 2012 14: 56
          And what disease ??? Is not acute paralysis of conscience?
          1. +1
            23 November 2012 16: 46
            Quote: Negoro
            And what disease ???

            hike ... "bearish" ... winked
          2. botur2013
            0
            23 November 2012 22: 27
            Quote: military
            What disease?

            Everything is much easier-diarrhea!
    2. +12
      23 November 2012 12: 45
      Of course it’s right, 16-year-old regiments commanded this in civilian service, and now they are already shell-shocked from computers to 18
      1. YARY
        0
        23 November 2012 12: 49
        Uv Vadim
        That is, now youth is dumber and more initiativeless than the one that was 100 years ago?
        1. +6
          23 November 2012 12: 59
          Quote: Ardent
          That is, now youth is dumber and more initiativeless than the one that was 100 years ago?

          But isn’t that noticeable? It’s not about diplomas and education, but about intellect. You can get a diploma, but if there are no brains it will not help hi
        2. +8
          23 November 2012 13: 21
          Quote: Ardent
          That is, now youth is dumber and more initiativeless than the one that was 100 years ago?

          I do not agree. She (youth) is physically weaker than before, but not dumber. It’s just that their thinker is looking in the wrong direction, that’s all.
          1. +4
            23 November 2012 13: 32
            Alexei, youth is now dying faster than weakening.
            1. +12
              23 November 2012 13: 46
              Well, young people don’t like everyone like that, they are no more dumb, they are very capable, brought up in a different economic reality, they are more savvy and modern in life just as good at understanding this economic reality, which the older generation imposed on them by the way. Of course, there are degenerates, but where without them, and the computer now is not a sign of stupidity, but vice versa, here about stupidity it is interesting to observe representatives of the older generation who cannot check their mail and do not want to learn new technologies, but only young people are stupid. Let me remind you if someone forgot, they did not ruin the USSR, but they need to survive! That's all I wanted to say.
              1. predator.3
                +2
                23 November 2012 14: 35

                I completely agree with you, there has always been a misunderstanding between generations, for example, in Mesopotamia archaeologists discovered a cuneiform tablet where the author complains about the younger generation.
              2. +1
                23 November 2012 15: 12
                Quote: klimpopov
                Let me remind you if someone forgot, they did not ruin the USSR, but they need to survive!

                Well said!!!
          2. +5
            23 November 2012 13: 39
            Quote: Alexej
            She (youth) is physically weaker than before, but not dumber. It’s just that their thinker is looking in the wrong direction, that’s all.

            This is true. The reason is seen in the absence of ideological education, the substitution of moral principles for one thing: the main thing is money at all costs, it is the guarantee and measure of happiness and success.
            1. +3
              23 November 2012 13: 54
              British Marines keep notes (mentions), in which all the achievements of the "experimental" are described. They came to the conclusion there that young people more than compensate for their physical disabilities (in comparison with the youth of the 70s) with their quick wits. This is for the Britons, but we get a special youth, if dumber and dumber? Maybe then we are special too?
              And with you, Nikolai, I completely agree.
              1. 0
                24 November 2012 00: 05
                Quote: Alexej
                British Marines keep notes (mentors),

                The British generally like to record everything - and nothing was painted over in the original.
            2. SSR
              +2
              23 November 2012 15: 32
              Quote: baltika-18
              The reason is seen in lack of ideological educationsubstitution of moral principles

              Well, it’s in vain we are probably so ...
              Now what we are seeing is certainly not like 30 years ago
              BUT! our children are different from western kids for the better. (this is about moral)

              at the expense of the ideological;
              I watched the picture of a second-grader leaving school saying to his friend ... that "there is nothing to catch in a rashka, you have to bring down to Europe" whose words did he repeat? naturally his daddy ...
              But I began to look differently after the video about the sick Patina "teacher" and what the kids answered him ... "yes we love our homeland "
              1. +1
                23 November 2012 16: 23
                Quote from S.S.R.
                I watched the picture of a second-grader leaving school saying to his friend ... that "there is nothing to catch in a rashka, you have to bring down to Europe" whose words did he repeat? naturally his daddy ...

                There is such a thing. And where is the solution? Only a change in the system of socio-political relations.
                1. SSR
                  +1
                  23 November 2012 16: 42
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  changing the system of socio-political relations.

                  + and it remains to hope that our society is precisely the majority that I don’t know how to express our thoughts ...
                  but the state must understand and it was forced to listen to the aspirations of the people .. to jam the pseudo "elite". at least should not encourage homie **** and similar perversions.
                  Here is a simple example.
                  The government should start at least with the fact that in the country banned glutamate type supplements. because the very idea of ​​a healthy society is in the air, and where there is health and sport there and culture.
                  chaotically but as a dog I understand everything but I can’t express it. hi
        3. +2
          23 November 2012 14: 17
          Well, no? It’s not old yet, but sometimes it becomes scary- and it will protect me ?? Rather, I’ll go than them.
          18 or 19 years old - it makes no difference - if you haven’t fed a person for 18 years in a row, how much does he grow fat for a year ???? Well, if you didn’t learn, then even more so.
        4. +3
          23 November 2012 15: 35
          Quote: Ardent
          That is, now youth is dumber and more initiativeless than the one that was 100 years ago?


          Yes, of course, it’s rather deadlier and more infantile, but as the residents in terms of physical training keep up
    3. +7
      23 November 2012 14: 20
      Quote: ughhh
      That is correct.

      Correct only on one side. On the other hand, the admiral, for some reason, did not remember the Soviet system of pre-conscription training, which had been rejected by the "democrats", including CWP at school. Those who were lucky enough to be a schoolboy in the 60s and 70s remember how fine-tuned this system was. Blindfolded, we disassembled and assembled AKs, knew the device of grenades, learned to work on the R-105 (radio station), fired at shooting ranges from a carbine and a machine gun, and even from a "small car" - regularly! We were given the basics of military topography, taught orientation, the ability to use a gas mask and OZK, provide the first honey. help, etc. In fact, we did not need a KMB in the troops! And now they really have corrupted the youth with consumerist ideology and are surprised that there are many deviators. This is the result of your policy, gentlemen, deputies, ministers and other "edrosovtsy"!
      1. +3
        23 November 2012 15: 49
        Quote: Colonel
        fired at shooting ranges from a carbine and a machine gun, and even from a "small" - regularly!

        Those who wish once a week, the rest once a month, each school had an armory, besides Kalash we had PD and PPSh, when I ran around with the latter I spent the whole week thinking how the boys fought with him? Almost 6 kg


        Vova Egorov, 15 years old. The son of a regiment.
      2. 0
        23 November 2012 16: 14
        even in 88-89 we had an NVP and even drove to the camp twice for military training
    4. psv_company
      -4
      23 November 2012 14: 37
      The flickered picture is the one at the beginning. This can be described as follows.
      Extreme left: fucked that's who will be me.
      Front small in the middle (the contractor probably): Zebal fuck, let's go drink vodka for a meeting.
      The first row is the third from the left: I’m going to stand still may not be reached.
      1. +3
        23 November 2012 15: 24
        Listen, I also like to run something unprintable in a place, but there’s a limit to everything!
    5. 0
      23 November 2012 19: 12
      From the age of 20 to call up, three years for attempts to enter the institute, if it did not work out, then into the army.
      1. 0
        23 November 2012 19: 23
        For three years you can sleep ... From inaction then ...
  2. +8
    23 November 2012 12: 43
    IMHO is ideal to take in soldiers in the 21-22 of the year.
    But this is unrealistic unfortunately
    1. +14
      23 November 2012 12: 50
      Quote: leon-iv
      IMHO is ideal to take in soldiers in the 21-22 of the year.
      But this is unrealistic unfortunately
      Greetings. Why is it impossible? This is exactly the age when graduating from high school. And in principle, the army receives a person with an education that has developed physically and with some life principles. The fact that it is necessary to raise the bar is one-for-one and I agree that it must be overloaded for 20 years. And 18 summers must undergo pre-conscription training as an obligatory subject so that they know what they are going to and what they will meet.
      1. +6
        23 November 2012 13: 02
        . Why is it impossible?
        Well, with the current VO system, the economy has little to lose. THAT yes + a good platform for processing lawyers and economists.
        By the way, here is the project.
        Admission to the University. The signing of two contracts.
        1 With a future employer
        2 With MO.
        Both pay extra scholarships. All the rest are PAID from the 3rd year.
        Then, during 4-6 years, she undergoes training and then serves for a year in the WMD. Then he goes to work in his specialty.
        1. 0
          23 November 2012 13: 15
          Or another option, the state represented by the Ministry of Defense pays for the training of a draftee, a kind of budget place. And then the service in the ranks of the armed forces. It’s also a good idea to return military departments and organize them at the school And then white and fluffy goes ...
          1. 0
            23 November 2012 13: 31
            No man is then needed in the economy. And it must be tied to production.
            1. +2
              23 November 2012 14: 02
              There are poor families, and budget places are being cut. And so a specialist engineer with military training comes out. Is it a good way out or not?
            2. pavlo007
              +2
              23 November 2012 14: 05
              And how are you going to tie the applicant to production at the age of 17-18? Which company will pay for it. I’ll tell you a secret - in our country, not one company will pay for anyone. What you propose is the shortest path to the final destruction of higher education (although it sometimes even seems to me that Putin has already destroyed it in fact). As a result, enterprises will never receive more than a single engineer, ever.

              Oh, how many people like you have harmed higher education ... Now the next wise guy is again, in comparison with which Fursa seems like an angel.

              PS Although the content of your post gives you a person who "did not graduate from universities." If you don't know what it is, it always looks simple.
              1. +3
                23 November 2012 14: 13
                will not pay for anyone.
                oh and the guys don’t know. Dado to our department of automation to transfer the Nehai neigh. This system has been working for 10 years.
                who "did not graduate from universities"
                Bugaga IGHTU HTMKM and IET
              2. +1
                23 November 2012 14: 19
                Quote: pavlo007
                Which company will pay for it. I’ll tell you a secret - in our country, not one company will pay for anyone.

                I will tell you a secret. Our company in several universities pays for targeted training for students. Then they will work out these funds at our enterprise.
          2. +3
            23 November 2012 15: 03
            Retx, the state represented by the Ministry of Defense pays for the training of a draftee, a kind of budget place.
            I agree that anyone who is ready to serve in the army should be paid for by the state ... but in addition to the contract that he will join the ranks of the Republic of Armenia after graduation, he needs to be mentally healthy, maintain his physical fitness at a certain level, otherwise, if you do not meet the basic parameters or decided to become a drug addict, deliberately caused harm to your health, drive the denyuzhku back ...
        2. +3
          23 November 2012 14: 23
          This is good for people receiving higher education, and who went to vocational school (or whatever it is now called) or just to work (to trade laughing ), this is not so relevant, they will just start earning more or less normal money, start a family and you can’t lure them into the army with a scholarship.
          1. +2
            23 November 2012 14: 32
            Quote: lelikas
            This is good for people getting higher education, and who went to vocational school (or whatever it is now called) or just to work
            Duck also needs to develop the program at the state level as before. I used to go to the army, and you still have a job and a salary. Now it’s just not there.
            1. +2
              23 November 2012 14: 36
              Now this is simply not.
              But this is not necessary for us to keep. And in many enterprises too. And all sorts of LLC horns and hooves does not count.
              1. 0
                23 November 2012 14: 55
                By the way, yes, it works in state offices,
                though not everyone returns.
              2. +1
                23 November 2012 15: 52
                Quote: leon-iv
                But this is not necessary for us to keep. And in many enterprises too. And all sorts of LLC horns and hooves does not count.
                I meant horns and hooves. At the state level, everything remained as before. But unfortunately, it’s in the LLC that it works.
        3. 0
          23 November 2012 15: 20
          Can’t you smear your back with cherry jam without stones?
          A lot of HE in the specialty and even more so with a contract for the future employer? In VO on Furseno the most tomatoes and in Moscow on Serducheno and even more.
          The contract, and only the contract, will save this Army from complete rendition, and this country too.
          Draftees to call for 4-5 months (May-September) in field camps.
          There is no need to maintain and heat the barracks, prepare a burst of food products and winter uniforms. And how to drive and drill "sidorov goats" for these 4-5 months (I hope most of them remember the game "Zarnitsa"). After that, relying on the "institute" of sergeants to make invitations for those fit for combat duty under the Contract.
        4. 0
          23 November 2012 20: 41
          Quote: leon-iv
          Admission to the University. The signing of two contracts.
          1 With a future employer
          2 With MO.

          It's a pity that "+" can only be put once ...
      2. Igor
        +5
        23 November 2012 13: 04
        Quote: Mechanic
        Greetings. Why is it impossible? This is exactly the age when graduating from high school.


        This is not possible, because most of these recruits will have a question like: "Why should I go to the army if I already have a diploma and can already earn money?"
        1. 0
          23 November 2012 13: 11
          Yeah .. you can ... but can you? smile
          1. Igor
            +1
            23 November 2012 13: 24
            Quote: Wedmak
            Yeah .. you can ... but can you?


            As they say, the attempt is not torture. laughing
            1. +1
              23 November 2012 13: 29
              Oh ... it certainly is so ... But when he tries, then you have to go after him and redo it. Especially when I received or stupidly bought a diploma for bribes. I would like to take .... (followed by a very long list of executions).
              1. Igor
                +1
                23 November 2012 13: 45
                Quote: Wedmak

                Oh ... it certainly is so ... But when he tries, then you have to go after him and redo it.


                Of course it is, but without experience, even a student with a red diploma will be like an oak tree for the first time (of course, there are exceptions, but this is a rarity). Yes, and when I got a job in my specialty, wherever you go everywhere you need at least 5 years of work experience, and where to get this experience nobody says am Well, at least I met one director who himself moved from Kazakhstan to Russia in the early 2000s, so he helped me as a fellow countryman (thank you very much) now everything is fine with me, but in the beginning I also ran for the engineers and asked then all by himself, by himself, by himself. laughing
                1. 0
                  23 November 2012 13: 52
                  When they ask what they don't know, I understand that, this is normal. When he tries to figure it out himself, makes "experiments" on used and or on non-critical systems - of course, well done, here's your pie! But when not skillfully, he climbs, something at random twists or reconfigures ..... just to show off and show how cool he is ... just a shovel in the forehead!
        2. +3
          23 November 2012 13: 12
          Quote: Igorek
          This is not possible, because most of these conscripts will have a question like: “Why should I go to the army if I already have a diploma and can already earn money?
          That's why it is necessary to introduce pre-conscription training at the university and leon-iv writes correctly. It is necessary that he does not have legitimate reasons to dismiss, and 50 at 50 scholarship is like an advance for deferred obligations.
          1. Captain Vrungel
            0
            23 November 2012 14: 43
            Gradually transfer the army to a contract basis. First of all, parts where serious professional training is required. One contract is not one year of service, when a soldier came to serve and. not having time to get scared, already demobilization. The contract is the professional development of the specialty. Urgent-calculation of compotes before demobilization. The modern army is not a "mosinka", a shovel, a gas mask and a sidor with a bowler hat and footcloths. We need serious special training, which is very difficult to work out a year before automatism and professionalism. They win not by numbers, but by skill. Not quantity, but quality. The transition to contract service will automatically remove the problem of draft age. A platoon of pros of a good company costs, and the amount for maintenance is not higher.
        3. 0
          23 November 2012 17: 00
          Quote: Igorek
          if I already have a diploma and can I earn money?

          between the awarding of the diploma and the earning of normal bucks, the graduate goes through the stage of "carving in oak" ... wink and each one has a different duration ... drinks
      3. +2
        23 November 2012 13: 33
        18-19 years is just that age when everything is possible (to drink, to walk openly) and the brain is still not responsible. And such guys get into the wrong place. Isn’t it better to form in the army?
      4. +2
        23 November 2012 13: 35
        Mechanic, you have an overly idealized attitude towards today's youth. Most of it was "wild" before entering the university, so "wild" and remains after graduation.
        1. +1
          23 November 2012 13: 46
          Quote: Homo
          Mechanic, you have an overly idealized attitude towards today's youth. Most of it was “wild” before entering the university, so “wild” and remains after graduation.
          Just not. I know what young people are now (2 has an adult son) and it’s impossible to talk about everyone that they’re wild too. There are a lot of them, and in order to knock out this wildness, you need to take a person to do something useful. Duck let it be useful to put the army in the head.
      5. +1
        23 November 2012 14: 50
        For 10 years on a voluntary free basis I have been leading the military-patriotic club. I know a dozen or two of the same ... My cadets have already passed KMB ... But in schools, OBZH are often led by women who have nothing to do with actions in emergency situations and preparation for military service ... There are simply no more personnel ... I would also like to return the NVP but ... with the change of the name of the subject, nothing will change ... Within the framework of the OBZh, if a professional teacher can teach a lot, there are very few professionals and even just men who have served the army at school ... Now there are many retired military to school they will not go no ped education, so salary it will be very small ... But if in each district at the military registration and enlistment office create a base of pre-conscription training, equip it with everything necessary from the dwindling troops + 2-3 officers for this (you can’t do less, you need a team) and let them supervise the life safety teachers (or NVP) and physical education on issues of preparation for military service and they themselves organize this training at the base handed to them ... For my rural area, this would be an ideal option ... In cities, you can stir up something abruptly ...
    2. +4
      23 November 2012 12: 51
      I support. Only after 21 brains and the ability to use them as intended begin to appear. At the same time, those who want to serve will be able to get higher education, tighten their physical form, and as a result, a sufficiently trained person who can be trained will join the army.
      The only thing is that from 18 years you can (and perhaps should) take to military universities.
      1. +1
        23 November 2012 12: 58
        Quote: Wedmak
        The only thing is that from 18 years you can (and perhaps should) take to military universities.
        Yes need. The only thing at the end of receiving the rank of flying how he will command his peers?
        1. +4
          23 November 2012 13: 03
          Silently. ))) More precisely, in accordance with the title. And if peers have joined the army, then they should understand that here they are not peers, but commanders and subordinates.
        2. +2
          23 November 2012 13: 11
          will he command his peers?
          Easy is the most important thing to teach psychology.
        3. pavlo007
          0
          23 November 2012 14: 08
          If for a person the problem is to command peers or people older than himself, then he should not be led or commanded at all.
        4. +2
          23 November 2012 14: 29
          Quote: Mechanic
          how will he command his peers?
          - How did they command us? Besides, a year or two, and he will still overtake the next draft by age. We had "old" conscripts of 25-26 years old, they were older than some years and warrant officers and nothing - they coped laughing
          1. 0
            23 November 2012 16: 06
            I don’t see a problem, a normal guy will very calmly take any unit into his own hands, the main thing is that the character be. Why do guys come in civilian after high schools, and calmly command much older workers. Yes, for any fighter, or there the employee is guided by the nearest leadership on most issues.
    3. +1
      23 November 2012 14: 09
      in soldiers to take in 21-22 of the year
      I absolutely agree ... And it would not hurt to remember Ilya Muromets, who was lying on the stove until the 33 years. For Slavs, by this age, strength is fully manifested unlike many nations
    4. +1
      23 November 2012 15: 10
      Quote: leon-iv
      ideal to take in soldiers in 21-22 years.

      Actually, there is a healthy grain in it. Foolishness by this age may be less in the head. Yes, life doesn’t make much difference, although it depends on whom. But there are no exceptions to be made. But rich people unlearned at the institute, they had to join the army, right away another. And if you take refuge abroad and confiscate your father’s business in favor of the state, then you will bring your own offspring under guard. Tough? Otherwise, there will be no order.
  3. 0
    23 November 2012 12: 49
    Quote: leon-iv
    IMHO is ideal to take in soldiers in the 21-22 of the year.

    IMHO, too, but only in terms of human readiness physically and mentally. But another point to keep in mind is that most young people, with an increase in the age of conscription, will encounter a lot of problems, such as employment, family, and even orphans, we already have enough.
    1. 0
      23 November 2012 12: 55
      C'mon ... Do you think it’s difficult now to find a job for a specialist (not for any managers, namely for a specialist certain specialty)? It is clear that after school you are not special, but ... This is not a problem, this is not the desire to solve it.
  4. +5
    23 November 2012 12: 56
    and for two years, one year in the army is not enough
    1. 0
      24 November 2012 06: 45
      Quote: leha1128
      and for two years, one year in the army is not enough


      I support! I remember they did a year and a half, they came to us in part from this (first set) whining - "Oh, damn it, how much!" Then they did a year - whining again!
      Mothers there covered their children under their skirts - "oh hazing! Oh, they can slap my Petechka on the face! Oh, he will ruin his youth ....." I don't know! In 91 he went on his own, without trying to get rid of it! After school I entered the nautical college! He served for two years, returned, recovered, finished, and managed to make up for everything that he “lost” with interest! and for money, and for feelings, and for vodka and for women feel drinks But, I will say more! Acquired in the service much more than lost !!!!
  5. Igor
    0
    23 November 2012 12: 57
    When I served with us, 18-year-olds didn’t have much, mostly from 20 and above. In general, it would be better if the guy went to university, unlearned for about 2 years, when the university is mainly studying not in his specialty, and the experience of living without there will be parents, and then he will be taken into the army, and after demobilization he will be reinstated at the university for the same course and let him finish his studies.
    1. pavlo007
      +3
      23 November 2012 14: 12
      ... and then he enters the military enlistment office or MAI after two years in boots and brilliantly continues his studies, relying on basic disciplines that fit perfectly in his head after two years of waving a shovel ...
      CONGENIOUSLY !!!
      1. +1
        24 November 2012 06: 57
        Why are you doing this? What does the service numb? laughing I did everything in the service)) I waved with a shovel, and stoked, and felled the forest in the taiga, and laid log cabins, and sat at the telegraph key, fiddled with cable lines, served the mobile radio station R-160 on the basis of ZiL and many more what! He returned two years later, recovered and graduated from his department - "operation of ship radio communication and electro-radio navigation", then three years later he retrained as an operating engineer for the GMDSS (Global International Disaster Communication System) complexes, worked for almost 10 years, the last almost 8 for years I have not been working in my specialty (and people wipe their trousers for 6 years in universities to work in this area)!
        This is what I mean - but to the point that "but it would be! But there would be a desire to come to you! Will come to you and knowledge ....." Remember where this line comes from? wink
    2. Mikado
      +2
      23 November 2012 15: 15
      he will have the experience of living without parents if he is nonresident, in our group of nonresidents it was 5 out of 25, but everywhere of course
  6. +4
    23 November 2012 12: 58
    21 years is the most accurate! Weapons from the 21st, alcohol from the 21st.
    The mess will be much smaller!
    And in schools, mandatory NVP should be introduced.
    1. 0
      24 November 2012 06: 50
      Quote: Nickanor
      And in schools, mandatory NVP should be introduced.


      Do not drive but RETURN !!! hi
      Fortunately, I finished school in the late 80s. If it weren’t for the NVP, he would come to the service of a sucker! And he knew how to handle a machine gun, and was familiar with drill training, and with gas masks, OZK and other interesting things! soldier
  7. +2
    23 November 2012 12: 59
    It is necessary to return 2 years of service. From the age of 18. From institutes and colleges do not pick up, let them finish their studies. After the institute, the young man in the army should pay 10-20 thousand, the guy by that time as a rule already had a family, responsibilities, etc. And finally, those in power should stop being temporary workers and statesmen.
    1. +1
      23 November 2012 13: 10
      . From the age of 18.
      There is nothing for a schoolboy to do at the age of 18 in the army.
      Brains are not only hormones.
      1. +1
        23 November 2012 14: 32
        T, e, brainless, bathed in hormones (well, if only them) to the least pampered body let them stagger along the streets? laughing better let them go to the army.
      2. Mikado
        +1
        23 November 2012 15: 23
        in America since 17 years in the army is allowed to serve, but we want to delay everything. Let them then take them away after 40, when you get tired of work and family, and of life ...
    2. -1
      23 November 2012 14: 17
      In the absence of clear goals and objectives, it makes no sense to call for 2 years.
      And dozens and hundreds will perish under "unclear circumstances." Why do their families and friends need "200"?
      How much can you - "Women still give birth"?
  8. merkel1961
    +1
    23 November 2012 13: 07
    Here in the Duma, let them live on 7000 rubles. a consumer basket, and with a salary that is average for the country, but minus the incomes of the main rich and thieves, when tariffs and prices are constantly rising upward. For a year after school desk, many, if not all, will start to bring money to mom-dad, will become small to help .Question to the fleet admiral: will the staff shortage be reduced, will the number of draft deviators decrease, and will conscripts, like on a command, become like athletes? Or maybe it's time to start building dams on the way of financial flows to offshore, filling the treasury, and not outflow of funds over the hill?
  9. IlyaKuv
    0
    23 November 2012 13: 18
    For people of 18 years old, hormones play with might and main and it’s understandable that they don’t want to serve them, hence hazing, because people just entered adulthood and they could only have fun. But a normal 20-year-old guy who has formed is another matter.
    1. +1
      23 November 2012 14: 34
      If a person does not want to go to serve, then the army at the age of 20 will not smile more at him, rather, more chances and means for otmazy appear.
      1. +1
        23 November 2012 20: 45
        Quote: lelikas
        If a person does not want to go to serve

        So he did not want to be at 18 ... Well, what kind of soldier was at 18? By law, he still can’t sell alcohol, but give the barrel just right ... By the age of 21, a person will at least have a little fun, become a mother of blame, and by that time he will cease to be a dystrophic. It’s easier to conduct classes with matured guys, and they will have time to get a specialty in a civilian, and if, moreover, they revive the NVP in schools and manage to make it more effective, then they can actually raise the army’s combat readiness ... Well, I don’t know, but at 18 the boys walk in the head ...
  10. +2
    23 November 2012 13: 23
    The Army must be sent no earlier than 19th. years. And serve at least 1,5 years. And it is better two years before graduation to start paying a scholarship (which will be postponed for further studies). I came from the Army and entered the university for free, then it makes sense to go to serve. Especially for those who can’t allow pay yourself for education.
  11. boris.radevitch
    +4
    23 November 2012 13: 24
    It is necessary to return two years and all !!!! angry
    1. FeelKo
      0
      23 November 2012 13: 55
      You need to do an injection of Iodomarin in the brain and that's it !!!!
    2. -1
      23 November 2012 14: 02
      and what to do there for 2 years?
      It is one thing when studies and classes are going on 24 hours a day, and another when the barracks and other household needs are "stupidly" washed, or as "slaves" container trucks are unloaded.
      Maybe it’s easier to oblige guys of draft age to attend gyms?
      This is the budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will be cheaper.
  12. +1
    23 November 2012 13: 46
    The year is really small. For a year nothing to learn the kid. This service begins only in the second year of service. Although little will be affected by the fact of how long to serve, a year or a half or two, because all the troops that have a strategic component of the country's defense have long been staffed with contract soldiers and officers. I do not want to offend anyone, but for example in the Navy, conscripts are needed only to scrub decks.
    1. 0
      23 November 2012 15: 01
      Quote: dimon-media
      but for example in the navy, conscripts are needed only to scrub the decks.
      so it’s not fashionable to take officers to sailor’s positions ......
      On the other hand, who will wave the "mashka" - the commander?, Hire a technical grandmother for each ship? laughing
  13. -3
    23 November 2012 13: 46
    kopar,

    The idea is not new and has a broader interpretation with restrictions to occupy posts and positions.
    Apparently, a lot of people watched the "Starship Troopers" - a fantastic film directed by Paul Verhoeven.
    In the meantime, on the stove, lean on your sides!
  14. +2
    23 November 2012 13: 47
    Here you will listen to all and the impression is created, and then you all have children, if you would remember that schools now have 11-year education, i.e. guys leave school at 18 or even 19 years old. And this means that many of them receive a summons from the military registration and enlistment office when they are still sitting at their desk. Yes, they are, of course, allowed to finish school, but with admission to universities, then I'm sorry, move over, if you managed to submit documents before graduation, then you can still get an adjournment, and if not, then "two left".
  15. +1
    23 November 2012 13: 51
    Gentlemen, officers, but on the other hand, what time did we get the lieutenant epaulettes, 21? 22? 23? So after all, there was responsibility. True, I’ve been looking at myself since modern times - the boy was a boy (and he also looked at his son, he received officer shoulder straps this year from me).
    For this particular difference between 18 and 19 years old I do not see. But the idea about 1,5-2 years is correct. There, in the 50s they served in the Navy for five years, and no one died of this (we will not go to extremes). So the service life should be increased, not the age of the recruits.
    1. +5
      23 November 2012 14: 09
      My senior is now serving and is going to stay on the contract. When he left (and on his own initiative, no one drove him with a stick) he said that if he had been given to graduate from high school, then he would also serve without excuses, and so now he will serve first, and then he will try to enter at least for absenteeism. So I did it so that at first they would let me learn, and then they would be taken into the army.
    2. +1
      23 November 2012 15: 25
      Now, my son, at 16, has already taken the oath, is studying at a military institute. In general, it all depends on upbringing in the family, if you raised a child in the spirit of patriotism, then he will never mow the army.
  16. FeelKo
    +2
    23 November 2012 13: 54
    “At 18 he is not a fighter yet, but a fragile organism. And at 19 he is practically a man, and not only physically, but also morally” - yes, he is stoned !!!
  17. IPMEN
    +3
    23 November 2012 13: 55
    ...... I’ll tell, or rather, I’ll retell one conversation between me, a retired serviceman (24 calendars) and one single mom, raising a son without a father ....... (the son died while being executed in the second Chechen) .. .. Eternal memory to him ..... Order of Courage posthumously .......
    ...... MOM: ..... and where is justice on the part of the "Russian" state, how to raise demography, so give birth to women, and we (approx. The government of the Russian Federation) You have a child's allowance, x..y knows what , 150 rubles ... Come on, good people, feed him (son) for these pennies, and dress him and collect for school ... and all that and so on ... And he (son) when he reaches 18 years I HAVE to repay the debt to the state in the form of military service ....... And what is he obliged to do ........ He borrowed from him (the state) or something that fucking ....... debt ...... There was a son and no son ....... Damn you all !!!!!
    ........ I: .......................... stupidly silent as a bull and I was ashamed and sad .... .
    ................... It is necessary to serve ....... and 2 years ........ And the state should seriously think about the social protection of its citizens .. ....
  18. +1
    23 November 2012 13: 59
    The sooner you start an independent life, the responsibility will be tested the better, and the body will form more or less by the age of 15. And if in the active phase of growth a young person is loaded with physical exercises, and his psyche is strengthened (which the army should theoretically contribute to), then by the age of 20, not a weak undergrowth will come to life, but an active and independent person.
    1. +2
      23 November 2012 14: 03
      you do not know well physiology and psychology. Believe me, the majority of physical training at 21-22 years old is much better than at 18.
      1. 0
        23 November 2012 14: 15
        Yes, but you still need to form a habit of a healthy lifestyle early. and in 18 guys something else can be explained. I do not pretend to infallibility, but in general, the thousand-year history of human development proves that by the age of 18 full-fledged members of society are formed, if relevant requirements are presented to them.
        1. 0
          23 November 2012 14: 23
          For 18 years, full members of the society are formed, if relevant requirements are presented to them.
          And before, at 12 years old, weddings were played and lived for 35 years, and why?
          1. 0
            23 November 2012 14: 32
            Nothing)) lived up to 35 because medicine was bad, but the first part of your comment proves that by 12 years old you can make demands as adults)) It turns out the whole thing is in the upbringing and value system of society)
            1. 0
              23 November 2012 14: 35
              12 year olds can already make demands as adults)) It turns out the whole thing is in the upbringing and value system of society)
              No, I want to say that the development of the body over 2000 years has become longer.
              1. 0
                23 November 2012 14: 40
                the development of the body over 2000 years has become longer
                I don’t think so, here is the knowledge you need to learn more. But physically I don’t think that we are very different from Cro-Magnons.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2012 14: 41
                  I don’t physically think that we are very different from Cro-Magnons.
                  Physiologically but not physically, this is different.
                  1. 0
                    23 November 2012 14: 47
                    Yes, you're right, they were physically stronger)
      2. Denzel13
        0
        26 November 2012 17: 32
        Leon is right, and at 25-30 it’s even better if you don’t drink hard and take care of yourself.
  19. Gorchakov
    +3
    23 November 2012 14: 01
    I believe that a guy should serve from the age of 18, as for this year, the guy has already realized that he has become an adult and he is falling out of control of his parents and school ... It is during this period of permissiveness that he decides to try himself as a person ... It is during this period that he can try himself as a beginner an alcoholic, a drug addict, a gangster and a bully ... It was at this time that the guys should not stagger around and the question is about his future fate ... This is the same year when parents can no longer influence him in full and is very important, so that he could be picked up by other, tougher arms of the army Andirov in TWO years ... It is in two years under the army regime and enhanced nutrition that this guy becomes a young man, capable of not only defending his homeland, but also learning to live and think already as an adult ... This year means a lot of arguments and more than enough .. One thing is that a guy will mature in the army, not in brigade brigades, can determine his future worldview ... I raised two sons and I know what it is ....
    1. +1
      23 November 2012 14: 54
      It is during this period of permissiveness that he decides to try himself as a person.

      It was during this period that this personality was broken off in the army, and then he, being a grandfather, would reward the young for it.
      You must try as a person with the choice of an educational institution, specialty, profession.
      try yourself as a novice alcoholic, drug addict, bandit and bully

      in modern society succeeds much earlier - even at school. And they come to the army already quite completed. Something needs to be done with this, too. Perhaps this is even a paramount task. Then the army will have fewer problems.
    2. 0
      24 November 2012 07: 04
      I agree!
      Quote: Gorchakov
      since 18 years since for this year, the guy has already realized that he has become an adult and he is falling out of control of his parents and school ..

      and this is where you need to direct the energy in the right direction! knock out the nonsense and temptations of all sorts of unnecessary "taverns, women, etc." Two years old is zilch! Fly by unnoticed! But here, of course, the kid also depends on the personality! How they brought up and instilled! We had such that they immediately wanted to go to the lads after demobilization, but ... nevertheless, there were such an overwhelming minority!)))
  20. +2
    23 November 2012 14: 08
    No, you can’t raise the bar at the age of many, by the age of 19 they can have a family, children, and the break between school and the army is large. They graduated from the school, rested, if they did not enter the institute or another educational institution, they went to the army, and then hang out for another year, get a job, work for a year and a half and again break. And the army will put the brains in their place and teach discipline.
  21. +6
    23 November 2012 14: 27
    I am 21 years old, my weight is 110 kg, and my height is 195 cm. I come from Minsk.
    I live in Moscow for 4 years, studying at the institute.
    As a former "rocker" I can say one thing, 50% of the boys in Moscow are "DRYSCHI" !!!
    I understand that it's just "overgrown" in my family, all of them are both father and grandfather, but they went in for sports from a young age, but wait what ??? They are a chock here and are afraid for the most part because they are squishy !!!
    Instead of "pivasik" and "hashik" pulling, it would be better to pull the barbell from the age of 12, and this is 50% of the wines of "Moms" who are "hens" by nature !!! cuff and rocking chair and jogging !!!
    1. +5
      23 November 2012 14: 32
      By the way Weightlifting is not particularly needed in the army much more useful than light running in particular.
      1. +1
        23 November 2012 15: 03
        And the ability to lift your own weight ...
        1. +1
          23 November 2012 15: 16
          And the ability to lift your own weight ...
          By the way, I recommend a climbing wall for this. Dyuzhno fit vesch
          1. 0
            23 November 2012 15: 32
            Horizontal bar and beams will be enough ...
            1. 0
              23 November 2012 15: 49
              Horizontal bar and beams will be enough ...
              no it is not. If you just get confused on the rise, yes.
              But on the climbing wall there are many protrusions that help to train the grasping muscles very well (sorry I don’t know what these muscles are called). And the ability to climb walls is very important.
              1. 0
                23 November 2012 17: 25
                Well, of course, it’s important on the walls, but at least the crossbar for a start.
    2. 0
      24 November 2012 07: 12
      Quote: Oleg S.
      and this is 50%, I consider the wines of "Mom" who are "hens" by nature !!! cuff and rocking chair and jogging !!!


      just the other day in a cafe I overheard a conversation between two mothers, there were cousins ​​of the same age! So one firmly spoke - my son will go to serve! and the other - "Oh, I won't give my son-in-law! Oh, they'll do it with him!" I had to intervene politely, sit down at a table and read a lecture on the benefits of taking off from my mother's skirt! soldier
  22. 0
    23 November 2012 14: 40
    If you have children, I urge you to simply "spare" the money and give your son to the sport !! any, well, it's a shame to look at the photo, the form and the badge hangs .... Well, how is that ??
    And about raising to 19 years it:
    1. An additional year for admission to the university.
    2. Establishment of a family, a child.
    3. An extra year for sex, booze, drugs - killing health.
    4. A year for compassionate parents to raise money for the slope of service to the Fatherland.
    5. an additional year for "fleeing the cordon (easier for an adult)
  23. -2
    23 November 2012 14: 48
    To begin with, it is necessary to create such conditions that the people themselves would like to serve in it, that they would not "repay the debt" from under the stick, but at their own will, that is. take only volunteers, make the military personnel equal to or slightly less than what they received in civilian life, if they did not work, then withdraw the average.
    age 19-26, so that they themselves could understand when and most importantly, whether they need it.
    Those who do not remember the tax on childlessness - to remind you of the tax on "non-participation in increasing the defense capability" - if you do not want to serve or there is no military service in the university - pay 200-300 rubles a month to the one who does it for you.
    It will turn out something between a contract and a call. I think so.
    Shl, and here already there is an article - you do not want to serve - pay to the treasury laughing
  24. +1
    23 November 2012 15: 37
    ... barely reaching adulthood, young people are simply not ready for the "hardships and deprivations of military service." "At 18, this is not yet a fighter, but a fragile organism. At 19, he is practically a man, and not only physically, but also mentally."
    For some reason, at one time we felt like men even at 18 years old. It's not about age, but about the nature and upbringing of the future defender. And at 50 you don't have to feel like a man. Many soldiers passed through my hands. Hunched "hedgehogs" came, and two years later, young handsome men left.
    In general, a man is determined not by primary sexual characteristics, but by state of mind. And it is at any age. Otherwise, they are male creatures.
    A MAN is primarily a defender, then a getter. So it was from the Stone Age and nothing has changed now.
  25. not good
    0
    23 November 2012 15: 38
    But soldiers’s mothers have long had a leash, in the collapse of the army there is their merit, especially since not all of them have children.
  26. von_Richten
    0
    23 November 2012 16: 16
    Given that they want to give out civilian weapons from the age of 21, what kind of conscription can we talk about at the age of 18-19 (military, after all)? Either do not touch, or increase everything.
    Well, and I will add that we just need a total reform of children's and youth institutions (from kindergarten to all kinds of sections). Although there is some paradox everywhere: I consider conscript military service as payment for tuition at school (in the past), secondary school (now) and university (later), although I have a cousin who believes that "the army = lost year of life" ... So it goes.
  27. 0
    23 November 2012 16: 20
    this admiral is already a deputy - and what we can remember in politics is only loud statements on the topic concerning the maximum number of ordinary people - the period of retirement, the length of service in the army, etc. or the most noticeable - change the name, change the shape, "repaint the fence green" - just like in the joke - the main thing is that there are no objections on the main issue
  28. Download Do Re Mi
    0
    23 November 2012 19: 22
    In my opinion, 25 years, this is the age at which one should be called, to this age, a person is fully formed, education is there, which is important for mastering a military specialty similar to that of a profession! In general, 25 years is the point!
  29. +1
    23 November 2012 19: 37
    It's funny like in a year he will become super smart and responsible. And the year will suffer garbage, because it will not be taken anywhere without a military ticket
    1. Gorchakov
      0
      23 November 2012 20: 17
      Quote: Pimply
      like in a year he will become super smart and responsible.

      I absolutely agree ... He will not become smarter and will not gain weight, but will only be worn out ... This year will be erased from life ...
  30. +1
    23 November 2012 21: 11
    “At 18, this is still not a fighter, but a fragile organism. And at 19, he is practically a man, not only physically, but also morally,” he stated. How the body of a young man undergoes such "radical changes" for a year, the parliamentarian did not explain.

    It is necessary to include sports in the school curriculum and in the diploma should be 1 adult rank for .......... running, wrestling, basketball ......... to which the soul lies. And then they get into the army right away with the first rank from COUNTER STRIKE
  31. Pripyatchanin
    +1
    24 November 2012 00: 23
    Stupidity. At the age of 18 I was called up (that is, "a child", "not a fighter"), and everything is fine.

    I can say the same thing about most draftees
  32. Gavrn
    0
    24 November 2012 00: 57
    I don’t have the strength to read the whole discussion, so I apologize if I repeat the thoughts already expressed.
    After graduation, I didn’t care to get into a university or go to the army. I considered the military service for granted. After 4 and a half years, I am already inclined to believe that it is not profitable for me to join the army, this will really affect my professional level as a result. And there may be problems with finding jobs where I will be interested.
    Therefore, I think that going through military service right after school, from the age of 17, would be a more rational decision. Moreover, in the army, you can get an idea of ​​the meaning of various areas of professional activity (when I went to the university, I chose a specialty at random), as I understand outsourcing has reduced the number of these areas. At the same time, it is necessary to prohibit education in universities in the absence of a military card. Then the number of "deviators" will indeed decrease.
  33. 0
    24 November 2012 15: 07
    Dear participants of the forum! We can argue as much as we want - smart youth, or stupid. This makes the youth neither cold nor hot. It is just the way we ourselves have created, educated, taught. Currently, the military registration and enlistment offices are preparing for military registration in 2013 born in 1996. Repin's painting "Swam". It all depends on upbringing, opinions about the army in the family, school, educational institutions. Those guys who have heard enough ravings about the army in the media, well-wishers, categorically declare that they do not want to serve, without understanding what they are weaving. They just need to be prepared to defend their homeland. However, many do not consider it theirs, unfortunately. This is how we, adults, set them up. In pursuit of money, all kinds of reforms, we have forgotten the person. And this is the most important thing: young people feel injustice in life. And it was the military-political leadership of the country that brought us to this. Two examples - Serdyukov's entourage, obviously not without his knowledge stole billions, but so far nothing has been heard about the actual landings. The investigation is clearly slowing down from above, and the girls who sang in the church, hooligans, were locked up for two years, and so everywhere. But we must not forget that the future of the country depends on these young people ...