Cities should be stormed by those who know how to do it

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Cities should be stormed by those who know how to do it

I read numerous materials of our military correspondents, analysts, experts and there is a feeling of some discomfort. I understand that we have a lot of Soviet left. Remember the War of 1812. Who did Leo Tolstoy write about, other eyewitness writers or participants in this war? Hussars, uhlans, gunners, grenadiers!

It was later, when the main idea was "the war is won by a simple soldier from the people", our army became "people's". A soldier with a rifle and a dozen rounds of ammunition against the German tanks. An army that is kept at the expense of fighting spirit. An army where every soldier is ready to give his life for the Motherland. That's right, not to defeat the enemy and stay alive, but to give your life for the sake of Victory.



Today, the place of the "people's soldier" is occupied by former Donbass militia, fighters called up for mobilization, volunteers. Again, those who came directly “from the plow and from the machine” to combat units and, by magic, became the victorious hero, win again. You read material about any hero and you will definitely stumble upon “and until recently he was a builder (businessman, janitor, tractor driver, etc.).

The fighters of PMC "Wagner" do not fit into this beautiful row. Well, they are not overwhelmingly tractor drivers and turners. Not even bakers. These are people of a different fate. Not from a beautiful peaceful life, but from a rough camp life. But these are the fighters who are currently demonstrating the greatest success precisely as warriors. It is they who take almost daily oporniki and settlements. It is about them that the enemy speaks as about daredevils who spit on death.

A logical question arises - what is the reason for the success of musicians? Even though the enemy throws more and more new units against these units, which are quickly “grinded” by the meat grinder of the Wagnerites.

I know perfectly well the answer that readers will now give. “They are so smartly equipped and armed (!). And the usual army units were not even close to the musicians in this regard ... And another whining about the lack of supplies, about poor communications, about better western riflemen, etc. In short, the Moscow Region and everything around is to blame. But Yevgeny Prigozhin is well done. Does not spare money for fighters ...

Is it so? What new things did the Wagner commanders invent to win? Or maybe we forgot something from our own military stories?

Why invent something that has already been invented a long time ago?


We are somehow used to starting the day with reports that we have taken another house in Artemovsk (Bakhmut), and our gunners and operators drones destroyed a couple of enemy groups. In the minds of the layman, Artemovsk has long become a much more formidable fortification than Koenigsberg during the Great Patriotic War. There, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers coped much faster ...

So why then they could, but today only a select few can?

The answer to this question was found by the Soviet General Staff at the beginning of 1943. The one that we successfully forgot about. Including because this answer did not fit into the concept of a soldier "from a simple worker and collective farmer." By May 30, 1943, 15 ShISBr were created in the Red Army on the basis of engineering and sapper units.

Compare the requirements that Prigozhin voiced for recruitment into a PMC and the requirements for a ShISBr fighter. Possession of real combat experience, in PMCs, these are serious articles related to crimes against the person. Age not older than 40 for attack aircraft in both brigades and PMCs. Physical strength and good health in both cases.

I look at a few photos of attack aircraft of that time. Healthy men, metal shells on their chests, grandfathers of modern body armor, machine guns and anti-tank rifles in their hands, some flaunt with flamethrowers, I generally keep quiet about machine guns. Let's add here obviously non-standard pouches for grenades and ammunition, and they are not dressed in the usual washed out uniform, but like toys in a store, brand new.

Is this different from a modern photo of a stormtrooper-musician? Look carefully and you will see that the attack aircraft is armed and equipped in the same way as a simple fighter will be armed in 20-30 years. Like those dummies that demonstrate the achievements of the "military economy" at exhibitions. All the best that exists in the world today is available at Wagner.

Many times I have seen videos from the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were recorded after the attack of the musicians. Veseushniks spoke with horror about the fact that it was impossible to kill musicians. Watch yesterday's videos. But we read exactly the same entries in the diaries of German soldiers in the same Koenigsberg: “I shot a Russian five times, but he does not die ...” That's right, protection under overalls, and you are almost immortal. The enemy is going crazy. Psychic attack in the Soviet way.

For some reason, we all know and consider it right that a pilot should fly, drive tanks - a tanker, remove mines - a sapper, shoot from a cannon or mortar - an artilleryman. But everyone should be able to storm fortified areas. Are you a motorized rifleman, paratrooper, marine, scout? So forward - to storm, and must take it at any cost.

We somehow forgot that the task of the scout is not to heroically take the fight behind enemy lines, but to quietly penetrate this very rear and take the "language" or get other intelligence. The task of the DRG is to come, commit sabotage and ... disappear. Even landing or marines should suddenly capture and hold until the main forces approach. But they shouldn't climb on machine guns "with a bare belly"!

And again I return to historical memory.

It took our grandfathers much less time to understand how assault brigades should operate. This understanding came, as now, through blood, through the death of people, but it came faster than it did to us. Already in mid-December 1943, not only the tasks of the ShISBr were determined, but also the procedure for their implementation.

The main task was to block and destroy enemy strongholds and firing structures. But not the way it used to be. You are a stormtrooper, so storm. No, according to the charter, attack aircraft should, if necessary, have heavy means of suppression and destruction, act according to a plan drawn up on the basis of intelligence data, including engineering. Moreover, the duty of the commanders included close interaction with the infantry, artillery, tankers and aviation.

Recently, I saw a video of an interrogation of a captured Ukrainian soldier from one of our military correspondents. I do not know the rank of this soldier, but the fact that he is quite experienced in combat is obvious. He clearly identified the reasons for the victories of the musicians. The quote is not verbatim, from memory:

“They are all separated. Some are storming, others are digging, others are bringing ammunition ... "

And this is not an invention of musicians. This is from the same place, from 1943.

But here it is necessary to recall the composition of the brigade. Not all soldiers of the ShISBr were just attack aircraft. In addition to the command and headquarters of the brigade, the brigade had a control company and an engineering intelligence company. In addition, the brigade also had the same sapper assistants - a company of mine-detecting dogs. Well, a few of those same assault engineer-sapper battalions:

"Before the capture, the assault battalion was divided into three components - the assault group itself, the obstacle fencing group and the support group."

Here is such an excursion into the history of wars with access to the present ...

We were just preparing for modern war, not the last


I have heard many times the common phrase about generals who are always preparing for the last war. I heard it so often that I myself believed in the truth of this statement. And I wasn't the only one who believed. Drones that can independently wage war on their own, ammunition that can erase entire city blocks, soldiers in cyborg costumes…

Why remember about some pillboxes, bunkers, strongholds ... Yes, and there are no new fortifications of the same plan as they were in the First and Second World Wars. Only trenches, only dugouts and shelters for equipment, only basements of houses and dungeons of industrial enterprises. But we can't take them for months! Moreover, we are at war with soldiers with a mentality similar in many respects to ours.

But today it is already clear that this is a road to nowhere. It is necessary to re-create assault engineer-sapper brigades. What they will be called is not important. These should be units and formations of direct subordination to the Commander-in-Chief, as it was in the Patriotic War. Only in this case we will avoid the use of such parts for other purposes.

The nature of hostilities already today sets us certain tasks. As Ukraine is liberated, we will receive more and more fortified areas in cities and towns. The reduction of the front line will lead to the concentration of personnel, weapons and equipment in the fortified areas, in the cities! And we will a priori turn each such city into Bakhmut. We will be forced to transform ...

This is the axiom of war. In order to win, it is necessary to constantly change the tactics and strategy of war. Stiffness leads to defeat. We are in the midst of such changes. We beat the enemy in the open field, but we get stuck in the cities. This not only slows down the pace of our offensive, but simply frustrates many strategic ideas.

Short conclusion


I often hear and read that the main value for us is a person. Beautiful words. Almost like the Soviet "everything in the name of man, everything for the good of man." During the conduct of hostilities, this becomes especially relevant. Young men and women, the main productive force of any society, are dying.

Each Bakhmut is additional days, weeks, months of NWO. To put it bluntly, this is a postponement of our victory. And, accordingly, additional losses. The decision must be made right "yesterday". Yes, it's difficult, but necessary. The heroism of our soldiers is wonderful. But heroism alone won't get you far, if you can go at all.

We have enough motivated units and subunits ready to become really assault. This means that it is necessary to provide them with everything necessary and use them in the same way as the ShISBr were used in the Great Patriotic War. This is not infantry, not landing, not marines ... These are attack aircraft. Experts in destroying enemy fortifications!

Victory must not only be won, it must be brought closer, as in the song - "We brought this day as close as we could." The revival of the assault brigades - this is "bringing closer" ...
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  1. +63
    23 March 2023 03: 25
    We were just preparing for modern war, not the last
    And as a result, they were not ready for the modern (HAND, communications and high-precision), or the past (storming of cities, not to mention coverage and breakthroughs), and even more so for the war of the future (drones and satellites)! But not WE, but the LEADERSHIP of the Army. Stop putting the blame on the collective US.
    No offense to the soldiers conducting assault operations, but an offense to the command - "No mind - storm the houses!".
    1. -10
      23 March 2023 04: 37
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      No offense to the soldiers conducting assault operations, but an offense to the command - "No mind - storm the houses!".

      I wonder why the forest is being stormed ...
      1. +16
        23 March 2023 05: 04
        Quote: Aerodrome
        I wonder why the forest is being stormed ...

        Not a forest, but oporniki in it, and not to occupy it with an end in itself, but with the aim of moving further and blocking communications, including in the NP. And it’s easier to storm the ops in the forest - it’s easier with artillery, for example.
        1. 0
          23 March 2023 15: 28
          Storming cities in the 21st century is not a trivial task.
          1. -1
            April 21 2023 07: 00
            Was it trivial in the 20th century? We always live in a special time, and everything is not the same as before.
      2. 0
        23 March 2023 18: 50
        Mushrooms will be picked, didn't you know that mushrooms grow in the forest!?
      3. +2
        23 March 2023 23: 44
        Quote: Aerodrome
        I wonder why the forest is being stormed ...

        hi
        Interest Ask! The forest belts, together with the supporters and Khokhlomani, must be burned, burned, compared to the ground, saving the lives of our fighters. Probably our General Staff is thinking where the "grandmothers" of the "brothers" will pick mushrooms and how the forest belts will affect the cultivation of the future crop.
        What an insanity!?
        The life of a Russian fighter is cheaper than napalm! Although, what am I talking about, it has always been like this!
    2. -40
      23 March 2023 06: 40
      Enough already to talk some childish nonsense, about some eternally guilty "leadership". Does it fall to us from the sky? It is exactly the same as we are, and we will not have another. We make bad cars - "the management is to blame." We either don’t do cell phones, computers, refrigerators, CNC machines, or we do crap - “management is to blame” ... Plumbers cannot properly install a tap - “management is to blame” ... And “collective we” have nothing to do with it :) ... Isn't it funny yourself? :) ...
      1. +27
        23 March 2023 06: 59
        Enough already to talk some childish nonsense, about some eternally guilty "leadership".

        Excuse me, have you ever looked at the work of companies? Why, with the same market, including labor, some firms prosper, while others fall apart?
        The workers are bad "Plumbers can't supply a faucet properly" - why can some companies do it, while others can't? "Collective of workers" is to blame? And in the neighboring quarter / city / factory, did other workers get crowded themselves? Collectively?
        Why in a regiment is one company better than another? Is one regiment better than the other? The soldiers themselves crossed, where do you like it?
      2. +17
        23 March 2023 07: 05
        in my opinion, it’s you who are shifting problems from a sick head to a healthy one, there are peacetime generals, like senior officers, they must be completely removed from their leadership, out to the Far East, the Urals, Siberia, there are those who liquidly managed themselves by killing a bunch of people, these comrades should be dismissed from the ranks of the armed forces and put on trial, the same thing with the military-industrial complex, did not fulfill the plan for reasons beyond your control, there should be a trial, if you screwed up, then dismissal and prison. No, and never was, as you wrote here WE, each mistake has a name, surname and position, Stalin himself said this, so dislike you personally
        1. +7
          24 March 2023 02: 22
          Be so kind as to keep these comrades whom you are going to send beyond the Urals. They are absolutely unnecessary here.
        2. +7
          24 March 2023 15: 18
          I think that this "gifted effective military manager" will only thank you for rescuing him and for the "honorary pension" with the benefits of a military veteran. To demote, to tear off shoulder straps and as a lieutenant (especially distinguished in the strategy of sergeants) and in battalions, which companies he sent for slaughter, let him now raise himself into the attack by personal example.
      3. +5
        23 March 2023 07: 09
        Quote: Muromczev-2015
        Enough already to talk some childish nonsense, about some eternally guilty "leadership". Does it fall to us from the sky? It is exactly the same as we are, and we will not have another. We make bad cars - "the management is to blame." We either don’t do cell phones, computers, refrigerators, CNC machines, or we do crap - “management is to blame” ... Plumbers can’t put on a faucet normally - “management is to blame”

        You don’t need to extrapolate to others what exactly you are, as in the case of the leadership of the Moscow Region
      4. +20
        23 March 2023 07: 20
        Quote: Muromczev-2015
        Enough already to talk some childish nonsense, about some eternally guilty "leadership". Does it fall to us from the sky?

        Contradict yourself.
        Of course, it does not fall from the sky, but appoints a higher leadership. Which, by your logic, has nothing to do with it.
        Quote: Muromczev-2015
        We make bad cars - "the management is to blame." Cell phones, computers, refrigerators, CNC machines or we don’t do it, or we do crap - "management is to blame"

        Firstly, the arrival at the auto industry was 20 years late. Objectively, foreign cars have long been no longer a synonym for high-quality cars with a long resource. "Managed wear and tear" has been driving them for a long time.
        Secondly, who determines the development strategy of enterprises and entire industries? "Innocent" management or simple hard workers?
      5. -11
        23 March 2023 08: 03
        Well, what are you, you expect people to say something like "Here I am f**₽*k!". No, they will always look for the guilty.
      6. +25
        23 March 2023 11: 21
        If you learned at least a little about management, you would know that not a single plant has gone bankrupt because the workers did not work well.
        Any team is a projection of the leader's personality, and it is he who is responsible for everything. Another thing is that leaders can get out of the team, they are not a completely separate breed.
        The country's problem is total irresponsibility, and its level is growing from the bottom up, that is, the one who most influences the result is practically independent of him. Not even countries, but the world as a whole, we are not unique here.
        1. +5
          23 March 2023 21: 23
          Conclusion - the command staff of "Wagner" to key positions in the Russian Ministry of Defense! But I'm not sure that the "winners" of the budget and the carriers in stripes will let them in there. After all, then their lafa from the development and drank funds will wither in the bud!
      7. -1
        April 21 2023 07: 05
        Leadership is production from the political and economic system, and if such a system is headed by "loot above all", then everything will be as it is. The leadership, of course, has nothing to do with it, and the specific officials responsible for certain areas of development have nothing to do with it either, undoubtedly the people themselves are to blame for what is happening! Oh yes, and who does not understand this, paid Khokhlosvin working according to the training manual!
    3. -1
      April 1 2023 20: 28
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      We were just preparing for modern war, not the last
      And as a result, they were not ready for the modern (HAND, communications and high-precision), or the past (storming of cities, not to mention coverage and breakthroughs), and even more so for the war of the future (drones and satellites)! But not WE, but the LEADERSHIP of the Army. Stop putting the blame on the collective US.
      No offense to the soldiers conducting assault operations, but an offense to the command - "No mind - storm the houses!".

      Reach without breakthroughs is not possible. Those. assault actions are still necessary. The author missed an important point. Assault brigades with a fixed front should be in the rear. They need to be protected. Use for assaults. And the conquered positions should be defended by ordinary infantry. This is fair, the assault is a dangerous business, and it is expedient, not a matter of wasting
      a valuable resource by thrusting it into the trenches under fire. Regular infantry on the attack
      lie down and that's it, so let him sit in the trench.

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  3. +22
    23 March 2023 03: 28
    in the days of grandfathers, military professionals controlled the army, and now they are plywood marshals-durogons ... they recruited idiots into the General Staff, and the Minister of Defense himself is the same ..
    1. +13
      23 March 2023 04: 29
      Dope and then enough. And also ambitions are not always fools. Both of these increased the number of dead soldiers. I think you will agree even if you are familiar only with classical military prose. Alas, this nonsense has not gone away, it seems, and the number of non-professionals has increased. I wonder: Why are people drafted into the army for a year? They cannot fight. So why are they being collected? And if they attacked us, all the conscripts... Where to? Probably, they would have been sent to a kindergarten, and would they have mobilized to defend the country?
      1. 0
        23 March 2023 09: 34
        Quote: victor50
        Why are people drafted into the army for a year? They cannot fight. So why are they being collected?

        That's when they build maternity plants in our country and put the process of conception and birth of a child on an industrial footing, then conscripts can be driven to slaughter! Just below Uncle Lee, he killed 3700 Soviet guys in three days ... and did not blink an eye! And with the modern fashion "you have to live for yourself" can we donate 3700-hundred potential producers in three days? The French in World War II, why capitulated so quickly?
        1. -5
          23 March 2023 10: 12
          The French in World War II, why capitulated so quickly?
          By the way, the losses of the Germans in the French company were very serious for such a short operation. Even higher than for the same period of the company against the USSR
          1. +7
            23 March 2023 12: 37
            Quote: Arsen1
            By the way

            By the way, the French, having assessed their initial losses and remembering their losses in the First World War, putting all the pros and cons into one basket, decided ... well, its nafik is the state, the main gene pool ... we'll somehow wait aside!
          2. -1
            April 21 2023 07: 07
            What can be called high losses with the result of defeating one of the most powerful multimillion-strong ground armies in the world in such a short time?
        2. +8
          23 March 2023 11: 09
          Quote: Serg65
          Uncle Lee killed 3700 Soviet guys in three days

          I didn't kill anyone! 3700 Soviet guys died during the capture of Koenigsberg! And the Germans lost 42000 killed + 92000 were captured .... This is a war, and ours fought not in numbers, but in skill!
          1. -3
            23 March 2023 12: 55
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            3700 Soviet guys died

            There are 3700 here, 10200 there, 600 there....a total of 000 men! And how much justified these losses of skill? This skill came back to haunt another 8700000 years after the war, I can recall the words from the popular song of the 30s ... Because for ten girls, according to statistics, there are nine guys! I'm just surprised how many people here can't wait to water the land with Russian blood!
          2. TIR
            +3
            24 March 2023 01: 16
            There, Chuikov from Stalingrad wrote several rules for the assault in the city. Literally, these rules are still valid today. Rules like those that the attack aircraft must first throw a grenade into the room, then give a burst from the machine gun and only then enter it. All moves go to the grenade throw and after the grenade. Also, the assault platoon should not move through the doors, but break through the passages in the wall. Since all the doors are shot through or replaced. I watched a video of how a trench is made with the help of a special charge. From such charges, grenades would be made for attack aircraft. There, the principle is such that first a hole is pierced with a shaped charge, then immediately after that an ammunition with explosives flies into this hole. And then it breaks down. Through walls and ceilings, if it works, then there will be no price for it
        3. 0
          23 March 2023 11: 34
          Quote: Serg65
          The French in World War II, why capitulated so quickly?

          Nefig was to start rearmament at the wrong time. When there are three types of rifles in a platoon, and packs of cartridges for the "old" ones do not fit into the "new", and there are still "old-modified" rifles, for which there are also other packs, then they brought the wrong thing - and load one at a time with your fingers into the barrel. And with machine-gun belts the same fun.
          1. -1
            23 March 2023 12: 56
            Quote: eule
            Nefig was to start rearmament at the wrong time.

            Were we different?
        4. 0
          23 March 2023 19: 33
          Sorry, did you answer my questions, or ..?
          1. +1
            24 March 2023 07: 31
            Quote: victor50
            Did you answer my questions or...?

            Exactly for yours!
    2. +15
      23 March 2023 04: 50
      in the days of grandfathers, military professionals led the army, and now they are plywood durogon marshals.
      We recall how many of these "professionals" Stalin I.V. removed from office in 1941-43?
      The best, those who really learned to fight, ended the war. But in 1941 it was no better with the command. Kirponos, Timoshenko, were they professionals? Zhukov, who did not even bother to establish reconnaissance at Khalkhin Gol in a month and a half - is this professionalism?
      Most of the military leaders in the 41st were "peacetime generals", and then things were generally bad with supplies and communications.
      This is the problem of any war: it is started by people who should be ready for it, but they are ready only in theory. Learn - start to win. Those who have not been able to learn - go aside.
      1. +5
        23 March 2023 08: 06
        And at what here grandfathers at all I will not understand. Why all the time to appeal to the past ....
    3. +10
      23 March 2023 11: 33
      Professionals don't grow on trees, they learn from feedback.
      In our society, the only feedback is the displeasure of the authorities, so the selection is based on the ability not to upset with bad reports.
      In a hierarchical system, everything is determined by the first person. If the leader cares only about his own comfort, the organization rots in the bud.
  4. +11
    23 March 2023 03: 30
    It was thanks to the tactics of the assault groups from April 6 to 9 that the assault on Koenigsberg was carried out. This fortress was impregnable for 850 years and was considered the main stronghold of East Prussia - the birthplace of German militarism. Groups of Red Army soldiers swept away the German defense in 3 days. The losses of the Red Army amounted to 3 people killed, while the Germans lost 700 soldiers only dead, and another 42 soldiers were captured. The military genius of Chuikov broke the laws of war: the defenders lost 000 times more than the attackers.
    Everything has already been thought out and applied! hi
    1. +2
      24 March 2023 14: 20
      Certainly well thought out. So far we have reached this East Prussia, we have learned so much that we have gnawed all the granite from Smolensk to Warsaw. The Germans were very good teachers, but the price of science is prohibitive.
    2. TIR
      -1
      24 March 2023 20: 00
      There, even before our arrival, the allies were hollowing out the city. Mirnyak was chopped up like a cabbage. But the defense and especially the forts were not affected. Our attack aircraft also tried to pour on their defenses, but like peas against a wall. Then 152mm howitzers drove up. It's better, but the walls have withstood it. Krch had to Russian Vanka storm the fortifications
  5. +23
    23 March 2023 03: 44
    "Cities should be stormed by those who know how to do it." Of course, a new and fresh idea. In addition, I can say that those who know how to do it should build cities. And drive buses. And teach Chinese. And all the rest should be done by those who know how to do it.
    1. -1
      23 March 2023 04: 49
      Quote: Sasha1979
      should be those who know how to do it.

      And for this, they simply need to be taught to begin with .... Chuikov managed to do it!
      1. +5
        23 March 2023 07: 16
        Chuikov did not storm Koenigsberg ... Without begging for his merits
        1. +3
          23 March 2023 10: 01
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Chuikov Koenigsberg did not storm ..

          Chuikov cleared Stalingrad!
      2. +3
        23 March 2023 09: 26
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Chuikov managed

        To begin with, do not interfere with the initiative on the ground. Then collect information about what combat techniques invented by the soldiers work, and disseminate information about them through regimental newspapers. Who watched "Best in Hell"? So, when our sappers in 1942 began to collect gas mask bags from their comrades in order to quickly hang charges on the walls and break through them:
        Shot at the wall above the growth - times
        Insert a nail into a hole - two
        Hang the bag and pull out the ring - three
        Bounce and hide - four
        This is a quote from memory, since the regimental newspapers in grandfather's folders crumbled into dust already in my childhood, and no one would preserve this almost wrapping paper.
        That unfortunate officers were indignant that "damage to property" - bags are blown up!
        And normal commanders noticed that entering the building through a gap - losses are reduced, and experience with breaking through walls and damaging bags has spread.
        Grandfather's story, who exactly removed the "guardian for the safety of bags" I remember poorly, in the sense of the surname has disappeared.
        1. +6
          23 March 2023 11: 47
          To begin with, do not interfere with the initiative on the ground. Then collect information about what combat techniques invented by the soldiers work, and disseminate information about them through regimental newspapers.

          During the Second World War, there was a department in each headquarters that was engaged in the collection, analysis, and generalization of combat experience. Meetings were held with military personnel who had achieved success in battles. An article in the newspaper that you write about is one of the ways to bring the results of painstaking work.
          Unfortunately, we do not have this in our troops. It was not during the Chechen campaigns, and not now.
        2. -2
          23 March 2023 13: 03
          Quote: eule
          Insert a nail into a hole - two

          Figs with them, with bags .... what where to get a nail????
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 17: 57
            Stick a branch, a pin, whatever, prepare a wooden peg in advance if there are no nails.
          2. 0
            12 May 2023 17: 29
            Quote: Serg65
            where do you get the nail?

            Sappers for the construction of crossings were given nails in boxes. In extreme cases, dial from the fire, or from the stove. Shell boxes were burned, broken furniture, broken window frames from houses.
    2. +7
      23 March 2023 06: 40
      Quote: Sasha1979
      And all the rest should be done by those who know how to do it.

      It's nice that you caught the ingenious logic of the article. I can only add - everything should be done by those who not only know how to do it, but know how to do it good. I can draw, but it's better when I don't do it hi
      1. +2
        23 March 2023 21: 28
        Understand. This is how I sing. If I start to sing, people with joyful cries scatter at the speed of sound.
    3. 0
      23 March 2023 22: 35
      I will add. In order for those who can appear, there must be those who know how to do it correctly and are able to teach it. Otherwise, as in a saying from the late USSR - there is no mind, go to the ped
  6. +15
    23 March 2023 03: 56
    Age not older than 40 for attack aircraft in both brigades and PMCs. Physical strength and good health in both cases

    I would argue. We recently lost a "Wagnerian": under 50 years old, no health.
    1. +3
      23 March 2023 08: 08
      But where does the health of those who came from the zone come from? This author fantasizes.
  7. +33
    23 March 2023 04: 12
    but from the rough camp life
    the author apparently personally received reports from Prigogine! That's how many times it was procrastinated in VO that there are only a small part of them, most of them are officers with real combat experience and real training, but no, we, like sheep, will look at one point and mumble the same thing ... Why do people have such stupidity? Well, here is the author from where, please answer!
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 08: 12
      Quote: Egor Adashev
      That's how many times it was procrastinated at VO that there are only a small part of them, most of them are officers with real combat experience and real training, but no, we, like sheep, will look at one point and mumble the same thing ...
      moreover, they report that only 10% survive, so new convicts don’t even aspire to go there anymore, even for the sake of an amnesty
  8. +6
    23 March 2023 04: 32
    It is necessary to re-create assault engineer-sapper brigades. What they will be called is not important.

    Primitive reasoning...
    The basis of the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not pillboxes, bunkers and trenches, but a well-organized artillery defense. No assault actions will help without a well-functioning counter-battery fight. You can take part of the city, but if the enemy has the opportunity to see, there will be constant accurate shelling of artillery. And there is no need to talk about the tactics of the Wagnerites there, it is very .... in general, it is simply not applicable to ordinary troops.
  9. +6
    23 March 2023 05: 20
    Quote: Konnick
    Primitive reasoning...
    The basis of the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not pillboxes, bunkers and trenches, but a well-organized artillery defense. No assault actions will help without a well-functioning counter-battery fight. You can take part of the city, but if the enemy has the opportunity to see, there will be constant accurate shelling of artillery. And there is no need to talk about the tactics of the Wagnerites there, it is very .... in general, it is simply not applicable to ordinary troops.

    The author simply defends the true culprits of the shame of Russia in the NWO. "Transfer arrows"...
  10. +7
    23 March 2023 05: 26
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    We recall how many of these "professionals" Stalin I.V. removed from office in 1941-43?
    The best, those who really learned to fight, ended the war. But in 1941 it was no better with the command. Kirponos, Timoshenko, were they professionals? Zhukov, who did not even bother to establish reconnaissance at Khalkhin Gol in a month and a half - is this professionalism?

    The NWO is much smaller in scale than the Great Patriotic War. A year has passed. Who was punished? Not to mention what to put against the wall.
    Or has the industry begun to produce what is needed?
    You just think - A YEAR HAS PASSED! All modern CAD systems, computer developments - should give an advantage in time. The same drones, the same communications, satellites - has something improved?
  11. +5
    23 March 2023 05: 27
    This whole opus can be easily recounted in a couple of words.
    It is better to be healthy and rich than poor and sick
  12. +10
    23 March 2023 05: 27
    A soldier with a rifle and a dozen rounds of ammunition against German tanks.


    Question to the author - is this what? Thank you, at least they didn’t write that they threw it under the tank without a rifle at all.

    I notice many people have such reservations. I consider this anti-Soviet gut to be metastases, no, no, and it will break through ...
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 06: 04
      Why such clauses? I remember an episode from the movie "Chapaev": They can't, they don't have the right! "
      Otherwise there will be no money.
  13. +7
    23 March 2023 06: 05
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    It was thanks to the tactics of the assault groups from April 6 to 9 that the assault on Koenigsberg was carried out. This fortress was impregnable for 850 years and was considered the main stronghold of East Prussia - the birthplace of German militarism. Groups of Red Army soldiers swept away the German defense in 3 days. The losses of the Red Army amounted to 3 people killed, while the Germans lost 700 soldiers only dead, and another 42 soldiers were captured. The military genius of Chuikov broke the laws of war: the defenders lost 000 times more than the attackers.
    Everything has already been thought out and applied! hi

    Chuikov was not there and was not around, he hung near Poznan, which he never took, then the fortress itself surrendered.
    And the low losses of our infantry are explained by the fact that 2000 aircraft and 3200 guns, and guns of great power.
    842 guns from 152 mm and above were involved in the assault, of which:
    152 mm guns - 12.
    180 mm guns - 4.
    203 mm howitzers - 94.
    210 mm guns - 12.
    280 mm mortar - 18.
    305 mm howitzers - 18.
    Thanks to what.
    The garrison was dispersed among the forts and Lyash could not maneuver the troops. And Vasilevsky commanded us, the smartest of the generals.
    1. +7
      23 March 2023 06: 54
      You are a little confused, they just took Poznan, although at first they tried with a swoop, but it didn’t work out and then they approached competently, Isaev has a good lecture about his assault, and they didn’t take Breslau, which surrendered after the surrender.
      1. +1
        23 March 2023 07: 35
        You are a little confused, they just took Poznan, although at first they tried with a swoop, but it didn’t work out and then they approached competently, Isaev has a good lecture about his assault, and they didn’t take Breslau, which surrendered after the surrender.

        Well, I messed up, it's impossible to remember everything.

        But still, the assault groups did not help Chuikov much, but the artillery

        Historian Aleksey Isaev, author of the book “Fortified Cities of the Third Reich: The Battle for the Festungs”, considers the siege of Poznan on February 9-10 to be a turning point. These days, powerful artillery arrived at the disposal of Chuikov’s subordinates: the 122nd and 184th howitzer artillery brigades armed with 203-mm B-4 howitzers, as well as the 34th separate artillery battalion, which had six Br-5 mortars of 280-mm caliber - the most large-caliber Soviet guns.


        And then they concluded

        Groups of Red Army soldiers swept away the German defense in 3 days.
        1. 0
          23 March 2023 11: 51
          assault groups did not help Chuikov much, but artillery

          Artillery itself cannot take anything by storm. Assault groups without artillery cannot operate either. Therefore, one cannot be singled out.
  14. +5
    23 March 2023 06: 23
    We didn’t seem to be preparing for a war at all, neither for the past nor for the present.
  15. +10
    23 March 2023 06: 27
    And we don’t have a Moscow Region, we have a ministry of preparation for May 9, the main thing is to hold a parade, you can swell money there to shit, but there’s no money for first-aid kits, and everything else is somehow by itself
  16. 0
    23 March 2023 06: 32
    There will be a war until our commander-in-chief begins to fight for real. Now, according to his behavior, words, actions, no one believes that we will go to the end, so no one is afraid. European mutts are filled with barking, although they should hide and not buzz. Putin still considers the West as partners and does not want to burn bridges. Until the conviction takes root in his brain that they came to kill us, our fighters will die, marking time or storming in the forehead. Where is the whole experience of the Second World War that they studied in military schools, the feeling that only losers are leading. Or, during the 20 years of Putin's rule, there are generals left who are holding parades well and walking famously on the parquet?
    Ilya Ehrenburg
    kill
    Like blood in your temple
    Like a year in the blood, like an account of insults,
    As grief drunk and without wine,
    And how great silence
    What after bullets and after mines,
    And a hundred pounds, for a moment,
    Like this life - don't eat, don't drink
    And do not breathe - one thing: kill!
    For your wife’s tight mouth
    For years burned
    For there is no sleep, no walls,
    For the cry of children, for the cry of sirens,
    For the fact that even the image
    His eyes cried
    Behind the mountain of insulted bees
    Because he came to you
    Because you don’t eat, don’t drink,
    Like blood in a temple - one thing: kill!
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 08: 40
      Look how bloodthirsty you are. European mutts mean?)
      And you are such a watchdog ... from the sofa you bark with the next mantras of sofa revolutionaries
  17. +6
    23 March 2023 06: 34
    . and more recently he was a builder (businessman, janitor, tractor driver, etc.).


    And then he became an author at VO. What is Chuikov in Koenigsberg? Vasilevsky, apparently.
    1. +3
      23 March 2023 06: 51
      It was Vasilevsky and the assault on Koenigsberg that were preceded by the most meticulous and lengthy preparation.
  18. +4
    23 March 2023 06: 36
    Without a tool, no skill will help. You can't hammer a nail with your finger.
    And if in 1991 the production of calibers from 203 mm was stopped, they cannot be replaced by any "spirit".

    And I believe that even in 1941 German tanks were not knocked out with mosquito bullets and "spirit". And yet, in the old fashioned way, shells.
  19. +3
    23 March 2023 06: 47
    The author hung up a little spreading cranberry .. Chuikov did not storm Koenigsberg .. Wagnerites .. About the fact that yam olny former convicts are a myth .. Well, somehow you need to be more careful with the facts
    1. +3
      23 March 2023 08: 48
      When you are paid double the rate for the letter for the PR of Wagner and the main bald Troll in Rus' .... how accurate can be with the facts?)
      More colors and beautiful speech turns, and factology .... it is only superfluous in such articles.
      It is not difficult to check what kind of articles are gaining the most views and comments ... so the scheme is working, which is what local “staff journalists” use
  20. +3
    23 March 2023 06: 57
    I can tell you the part of the assault on Mariupol that I saw with my own eyes. Probably, these were more abruptly Wagner stormtroopers.
    Drops into my hospital in the afternoon in mid-March, a crowd of people in the size of a company in helmets from the 50s. And the company commander asks me - where did we go? I say give me a map, I'll show you. Is it necessary to say that there was no map? Kalash weapons and a lot of RPGs, there were LNGs. They were waiting for a sniper group, and it came in the form of 7, it seems, men with mosquitoes with diopter sights. There was one SVD. Walkie-talkies only at the company and battalion commander.
    They said that two weeks ago they worked for themselves in the mines of Donbass and did not blow in their mustache. At the exit from the mine, they received summons and the next day they were already in the army and were preparing to stand at roadblocks, as they were told. But suddenly they became stormtroopers.
    The battalion pulled up and began to butt heads for a couple of weeks at a nearby intersection solely with the help of the described weapons. Not
    I noticed art support, especially air. The men of the Ukrainians knocked out and went slowly further to the private sector. Losses were minimal, mostly minor injuries. Then a detachment of Ossetians appears in a brand new Russian uniform, well-packed, like personnel, with communications, etc. and go to war. Immediately 18 wounded, many heavy, and how many corpses did not confess. From the next day they began to fight as ours on the sly with significantly fewer losses.
    1. +2
      23 March 2023 07: 47
      I say give me a map, I'll show you. Is it necessary to say that cards did not have?

      It's true. My colleague served urgently in the Novorossiysk Airborne Division. They have a training ground in the mountains of Abrau-Dyurso, and cadets from Ryazan were sent to them for practice. There was one task. They gave the cadet a subordination department, gave map, put into a helicopter and landed somewhere in the mountains. The cadet had to lead the squad to the point indicated on the map. None of the students completed the task.
      And the company commander asks me - where did we go?

      They also went to some village and asked. But the militia is excusable, but the cadets of the Airborne Forces School, who have perfectly mastered the technique of breaking cans and bottles, are unforgivable.
      1. +1
        23 March 2023 10: 44
        "in the mountains of Abrau-Durso"
        strongly said laughing
        1. 0
          23 March 2023 13: 15
          Quote: aglet
          strongly said

          So you won’t find such mountains on more than one map, so the courses suffered! laughing
          1. +3
            23 March 2023 16: 03
            Quote: Serg65
            So you won’t find such mountains on more than one map, so the courses suffered! laughing

            So they are not on the map - they are below ground level. smile
            Here they are - the true mountains of Abrau-Durso:
      2. +2
        23 March 2023 11: 54
        There was one task. They gave the cadet a squad, gave him a map, put him in a helicopter and dropped him off somewhere in the mountains. The cadet had to lead the squad to the point indicated on the map.

        In the course of military topography there is such a task. We also had it at the school, only they were taken out by car. Everyone coped with the task, only not everyone met the deadline.
      3. +1
        23 March 2023 13: 13
        Quote: Konnick
        My colleague served urgently in the Novorossiysk Airborne Division. They have a training ground in the mountains Abrau-Durso

        We have now used the tales of one-year conscripts ????
      4. +1
        25 March 2023 08: 50
        There is an old, old army joke: you see, the military got the map, now they will ask for directions.
  21. +1
    23 March 2023 08: 00
    which the meat grinder quickly “grinds” the Wagnerites
    Surely it's not the other way around? Are there more losses for those who go to storm the fortified area or not? And something is of little use from "taking another house." It seems like this brilliant assault lasts for months.
  22. 0
    23 March 2023 08: 00
    We have enough motivated units and subunits ready to become really assault. This means that it is necessary to provide them with everything necessary and use them in the same way as the ShISBr were used in the Great Patriotic War. This is not infantry, not landing, not marines ... These are attack aircraft. Experts in destroying enemy fortifications!

    Do you remember if back in 2014 they did not create the first assault engineer-sapper battalion?

    There is literature on this topic: I. Moshchansky "Engineering assault units of the RVGK"; N. Nikiforov "Assault brigades of the Red Army".
    Despite the fact that such assault units were the reserve of the Supreme High Command, nevertheless they were also used in the offensive as combined arms formations with better training in the general offensive zone. And such gouging happened, because of this, the l / composition of such brigades suffered losses.
    The strike units in the Red Army were also assault-offensive.

    There are memories of V.I. Chuikov, his article in 1942 "On the actions of assault groups in street battles" about urban battles in Stalingrad, the soldier quickly learns to maintain a database in urban areas, in defense and assault.

    ShISBr RVGK RKKA - the formation of the engineering troops of the Reserve of the Supreme High Command were intended to storm settlements adapted for defense and break through heavily fortified defense lines. They were created by reorganizing the engineering and sapper brigades.
    The first assault engineer-sapper brigades were formed in May-July 1943. Each of them included:
    brigade management of 40 people (staff No. 012/88);
    management company 87 people (staff No. 012/89);
    motorized engineering reconnaissance company of 101 people (staff No. 012/126);
    5 assault engineering battalions of 388 people in each (staff number 012 / 127);
    light-duty fleet - 36 people (staff No. 012/90);
    The total number of brigades was 2204 people.
    In October 1943, a medical platoon was added to the brigade, numbering 16 people (state number 012 / 152) and a company of mine-seekers numbering 90 people and 72 dogs (state number 012 / 110). In 1944, the companies of mine-seekers began to be withdrawn from the brigade.

    The fighters for the ShISBr were selected carefully. Each soldier had a machine gun (first PPSh, later PPS) and a Finnish knife. Battalions were allocated sniper rifles, anti-tank rifles and light machine guns (DP), grenades: anti-tank (RPG-43), anti-personnel (F-1, RGD-33) and special incendiary (bottles KS).

    In preparation, a lot of time was spent on learning the techniques of hand-to-hand combat and throwing grenades. They learned to overcome assault fences, wire and wooden obstacles, to conduct close combat using a portable trench tool.

    Only by December 1943 was the procedure for using such compounds clearly defined. The brigades were put into action to provide engineering support for breaking through heavily fortified positions in the enemy's tactical defense zone.

    After completing their tasks, parts of the brigade should be immediately withdrawn to the reserve for putting in order and combat training. They were also allowed to be used for demining routes, for continuous demining of the area or road and bridge work.

    In the spring of 1944, battalions of ROKS-3 backpack flamethrowers were introduced into the assault engineer-sapper brigades. At the same time, five motorized engineer-sapper brigades were formed (2,22nd guards, 20, 21, 23rd motorized assault engineer-sapper brigades), which had a smaller number, but surpassed conventional ShISBr in mobility due to the increase in vehicles.

    In the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 10th, and the 2nd Guards Assault Engineering Brigade, tank engineering regiments with PT-3 trawls (T-34/76, T-34/85 tanks) and regiments of TO flamethrower tanks were introduced -34, three-company composition with a total number of vehicles 20 units. in the regiment.

    In some cases, the ShISBr included separate special-purpose battalions (OBON), equipped with American-made floating vehicles such as Ford GPA (light) or DUKW (heavy).

    After the end of the Great Patriotic War, four ShISBr were transferred to the Far East. With the outbreak of hostilities, sappers-attack aircraft began to actively participate in the battles.
    1. 0
      23 March 2023 13: 31
      Quote: Lynx2000
      Do you remember if back in 2014 they did not create the first assault engineer-sapper battalion?

      Moreover, starting in 2016, they began to create assault companies in each engineering brigade and assault platoons in each engineering regiment!
  23. 0
    23 March 2023 08: 07
    Well, if they started talking about assault groups and the "brilliant" Chuikov, then from an article on VO,
    Marshal of the Soviet Union Vasily Chuikov later described the actions of artillery and assault groups during the assault on the forts of Poznan:

    “The battle for the Fort Bonin was led by an assault group consisting of an incomplete rifle company, a company of 82-millimeter mortars, a company of sappers, a department of smoke detectors, two T-34 tanks and a battery of 152-mm guns.

    After the artillery processing of the fort, the assault group, under the cover of a smoke screen, burst into the main entrance. She managed to get hold of two central gates and one of the dungeons, covering the approach to this gate. The enemy, having opened strong rifle-and-machine-gun fire from other casemates and also using faustpatrony and grenades, repulsed the attack.

    We immediately understood the reasons for the failure
    . It turned out that the fort was stormed only from the side of the main entrance, without holding down the enemy from other directions. This allowed him to concentrate all his strength and all his fire in one place. In addition, practice has shown that the caliber of 152 mm guns is clearly insufficient for the assault on forts.

    The second attack began after the fort was cleared with heavy guns that fired concrete-piercing shells. The assault group approached the enemy from three directions. Even during the assault, artillery did not stop firing at embrasures and surviving firing points. After a short struggle, the enemy capitulated.


    And immediately think is not fate? Two companies were sent to storm, it did not work, they killed people. We thought, yes, we have heavy artillery ...
    1. +1
      23 March 2023 11: 49
      Quote: Konnick
      Well, if they started talking about assault groups and the "brilliant" Chuikov, then from an article on VO,
      Marshal of the Soviet Union Vasily Chuikov later described the actions of artillery and assault groups during the assault on the forts of Poznan:
      ......
      And immediately think is not fate? Two companies were sent to storm, it did not work, they killed people. We thought, yes, we have heavy artillery ...

      what All of us, sitting in comfort, can leisurely discuss how to storm fortified areas and prepared for defense NPs, laying out maps without the fog of war, with an instant search for sources of information on the Internet.
      Of course, after a while, "studies" of the database began, calculations of losses in l / s and equipment, calculation of options as it should have been.
      How many of the members of the forum in the place of V.I. Chuikov would be better able to organize a defense, counteroffensive or offensive? Could they have been in his place? Have you done it?

      I often come across analyzes in the information space, they say which commander of the Red Army was productive, the soldiers were protected. For example, my paternal great-grandfather (officer of the management of the battery) in the 3rd Army under the command of Lieutenant General A.V. Gorbatov died in Poland and was buried at the military cemetery in Krakow. I often see information that A.V. Gorbatov shore of soldiers.

      And his son, my paternal grandfather, after the defense of Moscow, as part of the 8th Airborne Corps, reorganized into the 35th Guards Rifle Division, in August ended up on the Stalingrad Front, in the 62nd Army, if I'm not mistaken, commanded by V.I. Chuikov. My grandfather survived, and my great-grandfather died, but this does not give me reason to praise one general and curse another ...
    2. +1
      23 March 2023 11: 58
      Two companies were sent to storm, it did not work, they killed people. We thought, yes, we have heavy artillery ...

      The conclusion is not correct. Correct like this:
      the fort was stormed only from the side of the main entrance, without holding down the enemy from other directions. This allowed him to concentrate all his strength and all his fire

      The same situation is now in Bakhmut. We storm on the one hand, on the other hand the enemy brings reserves and ammunition. Such a battle can go on endlessly.
  24. +1
    23 March 2023 08: 21
    Yes, and there are no longer new fortifications of the same plan as they were in the First and Second World Wars. Only trenches, only dugouts and shelters for equipment, only basements of houses and dungeons of industrial enterprises. But we can't take them for months!
    It's strange, but they say (the same Strelkov) that there (in the Donbass) everything is rolled up in concrete, solid fortifications, because for 8 years the Ukrainians have carefully prepared for defense.
    PS The chevron of the fighter in the photo is somehow strange - on the right is obviously M16, and on the bottom is the Valhalla signature - is it definitely ours? Something reminds the emblem of the Ukranazi DUK
    1. +2
      23 March 2023 10: 17
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      PS The chevron of the fighter in the photo is somehow strange - on the right is obviously M16, and on the bottom is the Valhalla signature - is it definitely ours? Something reminds the emblem of the Ukranazi DUK

      In his hands he holds what looks like an AK-74 with tuning body kits. On the sleeve of the so-called. patch like "key or path to Valhalla"

      Allegedly, these were worn by the Norwegians from the battalion participating in the database with the US coalition in Afghanistan.
      In that case, I'll assume - it's not ours ...
      1. +1
        23 March 2023 10: 39
        Quote: Lynx2000
        In that case, I'll assume - it's not ours ...
        funny, but the author seems to be a former military man lol and the compilers of posters for the Second World War are scolded for blunders
        1. 0
          24 March 2023 18: 05
          Stirlitz came close to failure as never before.
  25. +1
    23 March 2023 08: 36
    But it was impossible to surround Bakhmut, cut off the supply of weapons and food?
    After some time, the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would come out with their hands up.
    1. +2
      23 March 2023 13: 37
      But it was impossible to surround Bakhmut, cut off the supply of weapons and food?


      It is forbidden! The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a well-organized artillery defense, which does not allow us to fight in an open field. Therefore, we go through the building, hiding from observers and drones. Artillery is not in Bakhmut, Marinka, Avdeevka, it is in firing range. And nomadic. If we do not extinguish artillery and communications, we will be a teaspoon per hour. And there will be no our attacks in the form of detours, coverage. Of course, it is better to deprive the APU of control, i.e. block communication ... but they have it better. I don’t even want to talk about our aviation ...
  26. +1
    23 March 2023 08: 38
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: Sasha1979
    should be those who know how to do it.

    And for this, they simply need to be taught to begin with .... Chuikov managed to do it!

    He managed to allow this to be done by those who understood what was needed, how to storm, how to train, in what and with what to go on the storm. He forced to find the weapons and means of protection that were known, needed, helped to knock out, without funds and plans. He also took responsibility for their creation, training, training and use.
    And now there are officers who understand and can organize. But who will give them power, who will be responsible for everything that goes wrong, and this always happens at first, then it will happen.
    1. +3
      23 March 2023 09: 51
      And now there are officers who understand and can organize.

      During the Second World War, there was such a major Lesik Alexei Nikolaevich, one might say from the "jackets", he commanded the 28th OSHR of the Leningrad Front. I found out about him by accident, I was looking for my father's relatives and found that one of his relatives received the medal "For Courage", being in the 28th separate penal company. And I learned some interesting facts about the boxers and their preparation for combat, since many of the boxers had never participated in battles, so they needed to be trained. Some excerpts from articles about this company.

      In May 1943, in the 28th Osh, which was now commanded by Major Alexei Lesik, the hero of the essay by Alexander Avdeenko, Lieutenant Boris Solovyov, expiated his guilt with blood.

      The essay was published in Krasnaya Zvezda.
      The officer, a senior technician for the production of aircraft, was sentenced to imprisonment for a period of 5 years in forced labor camps without loss of rights because, in a conversation with an unknown fellow traveler, bragging about his knowledge, he told the latter top secret information about his unit. Based on Note 2 to Art. 28. The Criminal Code of the RSFSR military tribunal suspended the execution of the sentence until the end of hostilities.
      Prior to NPO order No. 227, such as Lieutenant Solovyov, after the announcement of the verdict, returned to the unit, where, having a criminal record, they continued to serve in their previous or lower position. But from October 16, 1942 (order of the Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR, Army Commissar 1st Rank E. Shchadenko No. 323), commanders were obliged to send all military personnel convicted with a suspended sentence to penal units of the active army. Lieutenant Solovyov, sentenced to five years, was supposed to be tested by a penal battalion for a month.


      Combat reconnaissance really became a baptism of fire in the infantry for Solovyov and his new colleagues. During the war years, it was also called power. Penal officers were attracted to this type of reconnaissance especially often.


      they carefully prepared for reconnaissance in force, sometimes taking up to two weeks for this. They looked for a suitable piece of terrain in the divisional rear, pulled barbed wire in several rows, like a real enemy, tore off a trench behind it, cells of combat guards. The workouts were timed.

      The essay described that the penalty box was prepared for a MONTH for reconnaissance in force, until there was blood on the elbows and knees. And this is a reward for my relative.
  27. 0
    23 March 2023 10: 00
    I think their effect of success depends on a combination of many factors. And their losses, in the ratio of the total number of their forces, are certainly not less than those of the enemy.
  28. +3
    23 March 2023 10: 52
    If we take those assault units that the author is trying to write about, so here they are, they were precisely distinguished by the fact that this is not ASSAULT INFANTRY, about which the best experts in everything in the world of MILITARY COMMANDERS write and say, namely, these are engineering and sapper units !!! By the way, we now have similar ones in separate engineering and sapper brigades. The task of such units, being in combat formations of rifle, motorized rifle. parachute, air assault and marines, conduct engineering reconnaissance, provide campaigns in engineering obstacles, arrange blockages, blow up walls and structures, thereby suppress / destroy pillboxes, firing positions, etc. As for everyone else, yes, just like that, everyone else learns to fight in the city, in the forest, in the mountains. at night, in the desert... - called FIGHT IN SPECIAL CONDITIONS!!! It cannot be that some are advancing / defending in the forest, others are in the city, and still others are only during the day))). The task of the commander is the senior commander, when organizing a battle in any conditions, to foresee the nuances, we attack in the city - get assault engineering and sapper units to reinforce, we approach a water barrier - here you have engineering diving and panton, went into the field to a solid minefield - get "serpent of the mountain", in front of the adversary sat down in a concrete structure - take the department with the RPO, otherwise meet Pinocchio .... in the military language it sounds ORGANIZATION OF INTERACTION AND COMPREHENSIVE SUPPORT.
    The fact that PMCs, as they say, "are not afraid of death," is clear to the horse, this is a prototype of a penal battalion, to atone for guilt with blood ..... Yes, nevermind, how many of them will fall there, each amnesty, funeral with honor and FORGOT! !!! and in the personnel unit, where the battalion commander, brigade commander, knows each officer by name and patronymic, where families live in the same entrance and on the same floor, children study in the same class and go to the same garden .... where the company commander with each soldier served for many years , fought with someone in Syria, visited someone in Karabakh .... there is a different attitude, and once again they will not send to climb forward until the senior commander supports with artillery, aviation, a tank does not send to the rescue .... in this and there is a difference!
  29. 0
    23 March 2023 11: 20
    The revival of the assault brigades - this is "bringing closer" ...

    Correct short conclusion. But not finished.
    Not only assault, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE BRIGADE ORGANIZATION.
    As it was in the Second World War, including under Koenig.



    Don't look that Vasilevsky's brigades are called divisions here, the average number of these "divisions" is about 4000 people.
    In general, in the Second World War, the average number of divisions of the Red Army is 5200.
    1. +3
      23 March 2023 12: 05
      EVERYTHING SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE BRIGADE ORGANIZATION.

      The brigades showed themselves poorly. There is a lot of equipment, and few people. Moreover, these are conclusions not only from the results of the exercises, but also from actions in the NWO.
      Don't look that Vasilevsky's brigades are called divisions here, the average number of these "divisions" is about 4000 people.
      In general, in the Second World War, the average number of divisions of the Red Army is 5200.

      And the Germans had 20000 people in divisions. and the Americans in the division may have 25, so what? It's not just about numbers.
      The point is in the organizational and staffing structure, the availability of controls, equipment and means of support.
      1. 0
        23 March 2023 12: 56
        The brigades showed themselves poorly. There is a lot of equipment, and few people. Moreover, these are conclusions not only from the results of the exercises, but also from actions in the NWO.

        Practice shows that they really SUCCESSFULLY fight with tactical formations as part of battalions and separate companies with a total strength of 3500 to 6000 people. How much equipment is there and what kind - this is decided before setting the task.
        As you rightly said:
        The point is in the organizational and staffing structure, the availability of controls, equipment and means of support.
        1. 0
          24 March 2023 11: 15
          Practice shows that they really SUCCESSFULLY fight with tactical formations as part of battalions and separate companies with a total strength of 3500 to 6000 people.

          And if you need to fight at the operational level, or at the strategic level. Then what should be the number and what units, formations to involve?
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 17: 28
            And if you need to fight at the operational level, or at the strategic level. Then what should be the number and what units, formations to involve?

            Relevant.
            For some reason, when discussing this issue, everyone immediately begins to worry, how is it that the brigade is smaller and weaker than the division, it will be defeated! belay

            Certainly less. And the squad is smaller than a platoon. A platoon is smaller than a company. laughing
            They are just cubes. Gather as many as you need. The question is in their optimal size, so that the large ones are and fit in the hand.

            If you have an enemy division of 15000 in front of you, then for balance you need to set up 3 brigades of 5000 each. good

            It’s just that the experience of wars shows that 4000-6000 is optimal both for combat, and for transportation, and for being in the PPD.
            You will go to Kalininets to the Taman division. They occupy a huge territory there, it would seem - power! And what happened was the Chechen combined regiment was barely gathered.
            And this is good. It is terrible to think how many people would have been strangled only at the mooring of equipment if they had tried to completely submerge this horde. fellow
      2. +3
        23 March 2023 13: 02
        And the Germans had 20000 people in divisions. and the Americans in the division may have 25, so what? It's not just about numbers.

        Yeah. At 3 MSD there were also a lot before entering Kharkov. Already in one PPD it was not possible to place. Outcome is known. Now the other extreme - smeared into partisan detachments. As a result, some battalions are commanded by division commanders, and divisions by district commanders. laughing
      3. +3
        23 March 2023 16: 12
        Quote: glory1974
        The brigades showed themselves poorly. There is a lot of equipment, and few people. Moreover, these are conclusions not only from the results of the exercises, but also from actions in the NWO.

        So if the conscripts are left in the PAP, then where will the people in the state come from in the brigade?
        The brigades performed poorly due to the fact that they once again decided to save money. Contract teams are expensive, full staff is expensive. Oh, the idea - let's frame some of the units, and dilute the rest with conscripts. What? You say that it was precisely because of this approach to manning that they decided to switch from old divisions to brigades? Come on, this will never happen to brigades. And if there is a war... well, come up with something, before it worked.
        1. 0
          24 March 2023 11: 19
          So if the conscripts are left in the PAP, then where will the people in the state come from in the brigade?

          It's not about the conscripts. The fact is that a brigade is essentially a regiment, with the means of strengthening the division, and some support units for the regiment.
          Therefore, the brigade can hit with artillery, but not for long, because the rear is weak. And it doesn’t know exactly where to hit, because intelligence is frail.
    2. +1
      23 March 2023 12: 11
      A very strange plate, if only because the section "company personnel (persons)" contains data from several hundred to more than a thousand ...
      What makes you think that the divisions of the Red Army during the Second World War had an average strength of 5 people? In 000, the regular strength of rifle divisions, depending on the location, was from 1941 to 14 people. In 10 and beyond, Directives are issued on the basis of which training battalions (up to 000 people) are formed in divisions, companies are understaffed with snipers (up to 1942 people), submachine gunners (up to 600 people). machine-gun crews (up to 2x) ....
      In the initial period of the war, rifle regiments numbered more than 3 people, taking into account losses and shortages of hp, by the end of 000 the staff of regiments was reduced to 1941 people, from 2 a systematic increase in staff began, by the end of 400, the beginning of 1942, the average the strength of the rifle regiment is 1944 people, this is the REGIMENT !!!!! In rifle divisions, there were at least 1945 rifle regiments, at least one artillery regiment, there were two artillery regiments (one howitzer-artillery), a bunch of different separate battalions (reconnaissance, medical, engineer-sapper, communications ...), an anti-aircraft regiment or division ..... Rifle battalion of the Second World War more than 2 people !!!
      1. -1
        23 March 2023 12: 43
        A very strange plate, if only because the section "company personnel (persons)" contains data from several hundred to more than a thousand ...

        This is a strike group directly involved in the assault. Then - a company, now BTg. One of the reasons for the low efficiency now is the small number of strike groups. L / s are knocked out before they have time to complete the task. We need about 1000.
        What makes you think that the divisions of the Red Army during the Second World War had an average strength of 5 people? In 000, the regular strength of rifle divisions, depending on the location, was from 1941 to 14 people.

        5200, counted a long time ago. This is the payroll, so they really fought. And you can write a regular one at least 30000.

        Tactical formations over 6000 - an uncontrollable horde. It has been proven since the time of the Roman legions until the attempt to storm Kharkov in 2022. But even less than 3500 is impossible.
        1. +1
          24 March 2023 09: 41
          [quote5200, calculated a long time ago. This is the payroll, so they really fought. And you can write a regular one at least 30000] [/ quote]
          What kind of nonsense, who has long been counted, can you link to the document?))
          The unit (division), of course, suffered losses, by the beginning of the BChS operation one was full-time, by the final stage it could reach up to 50%, and therefore they were taken to the rear for reorganization and resupply.
          Tactical formations over 6000 - an uncontrollable horde. It has been proven since the time of the Roman legions until the attempt to storm Kharkov in 2022. But even less than 3500 is impossible.

          I’m wildly sorry, what military school did you graduate from, and what year did you graduate from the Frunze Academy?)))) What did you command at the maximum in your life, and in what military operation? can you clarify? Where do such bold and decisive statements come from?)))
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 16: 51
            [quote5200, calculated a long time ago. This is the payroll, so they really fought. And you can write a regular one at least 30000]

            What kind of nonsense, who has long been counted, can you link to the document?))
            The connection (division), of course, suffered losses, by the beginning of the BChS operation one was full-time, by the final stage it could reach up to 50%, therefore they were taken to the rear for reorganization and resupply. [/ Quote]

            Too lazy to look now, at one time I was interested in details.
            Take any WWII operation, look at the total number of l / s and divide by the number of divisions. Everything will become clear.

            Offhand, Vorobyov's book with co-authors “The Last Assault. Berlin operation 1945" Military edition 1975
            On page 123 in footnote 1: The numerical composition of the rifle divisions of the main strike force fluctuated between 4700-5700 people.

            Naturally, this is before the start of the operation. They were taken out for reorganization when 2500 remained, and even then not always. wink
            Rokossovsky, and then Zhukov, considered this sufficient. Like Vasilevsky under Koenig.

            And do not forget, this is the end of the war, the peak of our operational-strategic art, the decisive battle! Already here I tried to replenish to the fullest!

            However, no one had a desire to combine 3 pseudo-divisions (actually brigades) into one and bring the number to full-time. For they knew by 1941 how it would end.
            Loss of control and destruction. Yes
          2. 0
            24 March 2023 17: 15
            I’m wildly sorry, what military school did you graduate from, and what year did you graduate from the Frunze Academy?)))) What did you command at the maximum in your life, and in what military operation? can you clarify? Where do such bold and decisive statements come from?)))

            Frunze did not graduate from the Academy, only the Military Medical Academy. But what kind of tactics were given. I was just curious about this issue.
            I wrote it out, I don’t remember where, over the years:

            The average strength of the rifle divisions of the Red Army 1942-1945
            Campaigns - number in thousands
            Winter 1941/1942 - 5,7
            Winter 1942/43 - 6,0
            Summer-autumn 1943 - 5,5
            Winter-spring 1944 - 5,0
            Summer-autumn 1944 - 6,0
            In Europe 1945 - 5,1

            So the Great Patriotic War was won by brigades. As well as the rest before and after. wink
        2. 0
          24 March 2023 11: 27
          This is a strike group directly involved in the assault. Then - a company, now BTg.

          5200, counted a long time ago. This is the payroll, so they really fought.

          The machine gunner can shoot alone. But it should be provided:
          1. Driver for the transport of ammunition.
          2. Driver for the delivery of food.
          3. Cook for cooking.
          4.Medic.
          5. Signalman to provide control.
          6. Artilleryman for support.
          7. tanker, scout, pilot, etc. and so on.
          Therefore, it is not enough to count only those who go on the attack. It is necessary to consider those who provide. And that's where the difference lies.
          During the legions, the soldier carried everything with him.
          During the Second World War, the supply autobattalion was only at the army level, and now it is in the compound.
          The art of war consists in organizing a crowd of people into subdivisions, units, arming, feeding, providing everything necessary. Coordinate their actions on earth, in heaven, and at sea. And the direct attack is only the last stage of all actions.
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 17: 01
            The machine gunner can shoot alone. But it should be provided:
            1. Driver for the transport of ammunition.
            2. Driver for the delivery of food.
            3. Cook for cooking.
            4.Medic.
            5. Signalman to provide control.
            6. Artilleryman for support.
            7. tanker, scout, pilot, etc. and so on.
            Therefore, it is not enough to count only those who go on the attack. It is necessary to consider those who provide. And that's where the difference lies.

            All right. Look in the table for example, the first line of the 1st Guards Rifle Division:
            The total number is 4576 people.
            1134 storm.
            3442 provide.
            laughing
      2. 0
        23 March 2023 16: 22
        Quote from Cap
        A very strange plate, if only because the section "company personnel (persons)" contains data from several hundred to more than a thousand ...

        This is an analogue of active bayonets - those who are directly involved in the battle on the front line. It’s just that we recorded the entire composition of rifle companies in them.
        Quote from Cap
        by the end of 1944, the beginning of 1945, the average strength of a rifle regiment was 2 people, this is a REGIMENT !!!!!

        Before the Vistula-Oder operation of the connection of the 8th Guards. armies numbered about 6 thousand people, and before the Berlin operation, most divisions did not reach 5 thousand people.
        © Isaev
        Wait a minute, 8th Guards. And in the Berlin operation, this is the main striking force of the 1st BF, the "point of the spear."
        1. 0
          24 March 2023 09: 45
          This is an analogue of active bayonets - those who are directly involved in the battle on the front line. It’s just that we recorded the entire composition of rifle companies in them.

          "an analogue of active bayonets" - what is this term?))
          And in a rifle company, who does not go on the attack? The maximum who will not go is the foreman of the company, a couple of drivers from the field kitchen and wagon carts)))) The rest will not just go, but run)))
          1. 0
            24 March 2023 10: 44
            Quote from Cap
            "an analogue of active bayonets" - what is this term?))

            Fighters who directly go on the attack. Gun and mortar crews that support an attack are not included in active bayonets. But about whether the calculations of easel (and light) machine guns are included in the active bayonets, the discussions were heated, yes ...
            And the "analogue" - because even in a company of active bayonets there may be less than the total number.
  30. Eug
    +1
    23 March 2023 11: 46
    Disable the sewers (treatment facilities) in ANY high-rise city - and carefully filter the population leaving from there (in case of encirclement) ... and leaflets with loudspeakers, messengers and other media - give up, you are surrounded, etc. based on the film "In the Zone of Special Attention" .. the rest of the cities will look at one - the other city taken in this way - and become thoughtful, and then they will carry the keys ...
    And it’s better to do it in the spring - so that they don’t endure until winter.
    And according to the article - the author, look at the average daily losses during the same capture of Koenigsberg, Berlin, Breslau (Wroclaw) - do you want the same level of losses? And that's the best...
  31. +4
    23 March 2023 12: 10
    Cities do not need to be stormed at all. What nonsense!
    Grozny was stormed in the 1st Chechen, they fumbled for several months. They did not block the city from the south, the militants carried reinforcements and material supplies freely. As soon as they began to cover them with fire, everything stopped at once.
    They immediately took the 2nd Chechen city into the ring. A month of active operations and the militants themselves went on a breakthrough, into a prepared ambush.
    So, as we are now fighting in Ukraine, you can fight for years. It is necessary to bypass and surround the nodes of resistance, block them, after a while they will have nothing to fight, and they will either break through or surrender, as in Mariupol.
    Why can't we act like this, a question for discussion, and just for a couple of articles.
    1. 0
      23 March 2023 13: 03
      Because we can't do that. For 20 years and training on the Middle Eastern barmaley, they completely forgot how.
    2. 0
      23 March 2023 15: 33
      Were you in Grozny in 94-95? Mariupol, look at the map, it is by the sea, it is similar in a different way than a city not by the Sea.
      1. 0
        24 March 2023 11: 13
        a city by the sea is different than a city not by the sea. And?
  32. +1
    23 March 2023 12: 39
    A logical question arises - what is the reason for the success of musicians?

    So the main reasons are not at all the ones indicated in the article - the main thing is that their actions are not constrained by the charter and bureaucracy and they are not commanded by regular military men, who were constantly "hit on the head" from lieutenant epaulettes for the slightest manifestation of initiative, as a result of which, by the time they became majors / colonels, they are used to acting strictly in accordance with the charter and orders, and the brain has atrophied due to uselessness.
  33. 0
    23 March 2023 12: 41
    Quote: Muromczev-2015
    Enough already to talk some childish nonsense, about some eternally guilty "leadership". Does it fall to us from the sky?

    How about we choose it? Management?
    belay
  34. 0
    23 March 2023 12: 44
    Quote: glory1974
    The same situation is now in Bakhmut. We storm on the one hand, on the other hand the enemy brings reserves and ammunition. Such a battle can go on endlessly.

    So maybe that's how it should be? Is it stupid to kill the entire draft population, which quite itself has a desire to fight with us?
    How else?
  35. -3
    23 March 2023 13: 01
    Maybe enough advertising for PMCs? In fact, Wagner squeezed out the defense from Soledar and carried out an unsuccessful operation on the tactical encirclement near Bakhmut. PMCs have no forces and means to complete the encirclement. In both cases, the opponent of the PMC was an untrained but motivated therodefense.

    So-so current win list. True, the RF Ministry of Defense does not have it at all.
  36. +2
    23 March 2023 13: 32
    Leo Tolstoy was not an eyewitness to the War of 1812, he was born much later (1828). And besides, "Despite the huge success of the novel, the writer himself was skeptical about his work: a couple of years after the end of the novel, in a letter to Afanasy Fet, he wrote:" How happy I am ... that I will never write verbose rubbish like "War" I will."
  37. +2
    23 March 2023 14: 09
    Very good article. But there are a few things I personally don't agree with. Indeed, no need to reinvent the wheel! The famous "panzer infantrymen" existed after the Second World War. DShB were not only in the Airborne Forces, but also in motorized rifles, railway and engineering troops. After the collapse of the USSR and the reforms of the RF Armed Forces in the 90s, the engineering, railway and pontoon-bridge units and the construction battalion were practically eliminated, but how would it be useful now in the NVO, for the construction of defense lines. A simple motorized rifle unit can also storm the city, but it needs battalion and regimental light artillery of 57-76 mm caliber of the ZIS-2 and ZIS-3 type. Such artillery is easily mobile in the city and it is more powerful and long-range grenade launchers. Large quantities of 50 mm company mortars are needed, and this artillery was abolished in the Soviet army. Where is our artillery of special power of the reserve of the reserve of the main command? Where are the 305 and 180 mm railway guns, 280 mm howitzers, 600 mm mortars? And we have several old "Peonies" and "Tulips". We need machine guns with a high density of fire, not PKM and RPK, but like the German MG-43. We need mass equipping of small arms with optics and a collimator sight. And most importantly, we need massive quantities of equipping the army with satellite and electronic means of reconnaissance and communications, so that commanders can track enemy movements in real time, and not guess, looking at the facade of the house, what is there, who is there and where is behind this house !!! And we also need to train reservists, at least once every 3-5 years, as in the armies of Switzerland and Israel. Conscripts should not serve for a year, but at least 3 years in the army and 4 years in the navy, as under Stalin. It is necessary to transfer the entire military-industrial complex to the state, to carry out a full mobilization with training of the mobilized for 3-4 months, before sending them to the front line. We need to introduce martial law in the country. It is even possible to revive or create an analogue of SMERSH. And finally, we all must understand that now, in Ukraine, there is a real, full-scale hybrid third world war of the United States and its allies against Russia. And if we want to win this war, then every honest and real citizen of Russia should forget about personal interests for a while, and be guided by the slogan that helped us win the Second World War, "Everything for the front! Everything for Victory!" I've only expressed my personal opinion here. Whether it is correct or not is up to you to judge.
  38. +1
    23 March 2023 14: 32
    There is an alternative - how the US operates - it simply equalizes everything under 0
  39. 0
    23 March 2023 15: 36
    Experts in destroying enemy fortifications!

    What they just don’t come up with so that they don’t normally prepare infantry request
    Is the author not embarrassed that 15 brigades were a drop in the ocean from only about 500 rifle divisions?
    As a result, they came to the conclusion that these sappers were assigned to assault groups from rifle troops, where they were engaged in their direct duties (clearing obstacles).
  40. +3
    23 March 2023 15: 38
    "Look carefully and you will see that the attack aircraft is armed and equipped in the same way as a simple fighter will be armed in 20-30 years." - it seems that the author has not seen any photos or videos with the Wagnerites. They are equipped very closely to how other units are equipped. In general, they are given money and they most often buy and choose for themselves what to buy.
    Yes, look at the photo ... Where is the "soldier of the future"? Form number eight...
    They win by tactics, organization, strict discipline and a specific corporate spirit.
    [Center]
  41. 0
    23 March 2023 16: 17
    My father graduated from the Leningrad Military Engineering School before the war and considered the creation of engineering assault brigades, in contrast to attempts to form engineering armies, one of the most successful decisions during the war years. According to him, the introduction of attack aircraft into battle from the side was like a psychic attack, because the cuirass under the padded jacket was not visible.
    A few years ago, there were reports in the media that the heirs of the assault brigades, the assault and barrage battalions, were created in our engineering brigades, and officers for these units began to be trained at the Tyumen Engineering School. But today the question arises, where are these battalions and where are these officers?
  42. +1
    23 March 2023 17: 32
    Quote: glory1974
    assault groups did not help Chuikov much, but artillery

    Artillery itself cannot take anything by storm. Assault groups without artillery cannot operate either. Therefore, one cannot be singled out.

    Accordingly, they came to the conclusion that an artillery brigade with 120 mm self-propelled guns, URAGAN-152M MLRS and 1mm mortars should go to the engineering assault Brigade with SOLNTSEKA, Grads and 160mm mortars "trailer".
    But then the structure of the ENGINEERING-ARTILLERY STORM DIVISION, capable of independently taking cities like Artemovsk, suggests itself ...
  43. +1
    23 March 2023 18: 56
    The example with Koenigsberg is unsuccessful. His shavers bombed him hard twice, and our three days with aircraft and artillery. The Germans did not recognize the area when leaving the bunkers.
    And in our country they shoot Wagner as "peaceful" people walk in the house, and the Ukrainians, too, at home.
  44. +2
    23 March 2023 21: 40
    I recently read a cipher message from the Headquarters of the COMFront, do not get involved in urban battles, bypass fortified areas, destroy the enemy in the field.
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  46. +3
    24 March 2023 00: 42
    I mostly agree, but...
    To storm fortified areas is the idiocy of the current government and military command. These objects should be taken by the environment (Stalingrad) and as an exception when dividing the enemy into parts - an assault!
    The second is the socio-psychological characteristics of the "musicians". Courage, contempt for danger, SKILL AND DESIRE TO Survive! Less able to look ahead for half a second (Ie - these are fighters!) Read the memoirs of the Second World War. Before the onset of the company -150 people. In a week or two, 25-30 fighters. But these are fighters (they survived and know how to survive) and perform tasks for (those killed and wounded) 150 people.
    And the third:
    G.K. Zhukov said: "With 2000 guns per 1 km of the front, I do not accept reports on difficulties. Only reports on the accomplishment of tasks!"

    And we have??? shell hunger ???!!!
    Are people cheaper?
    Capitalism is the mother of these bosses!!!?
  47. 0
    24 March 2023 09: 11
    My grandfather went through the war from the 41st to the 45th. He told a lot. In 41, he was wounded in the leg for the first time in Belarus, they pulled him out, cured him, and recovered. Came to the commission in the military registration and enlistment office. There they looked at his documents, certificates and said - Well, Gerasimych, you are literate with us (Grandfather graduated from five classes, which was an indicator at that time) you will go as a foreman in a household. And then Grandfather falls on four bones and begins to beg, but not there, but they say I can’t join the infantry, but I can be a mortar, machine gunner, sniper, but not in the field! I was surprised, Grandfather, I say, like a "fat place" what were you going through? Granddaughter, he says, yes, they are sitting there in front at least in some kind of shelters, dugouts there, trenches, dugouts. And you deliver the ammunition there, bring food, and you answer with your head for what is hanging on you according to the lists. More people died in this company than ahead. When retreating or surrounded, well, try to evacuate everything. On the offensive, you drag supplies where it is said under fire, and there either the Germans have not yet been knocked out, or our Germans have thrown back or even got lost, then it’s like krants. It was then that I took a fresh look at the work of supply services on the front line.
  48. +1
    24 March 2023 09: 31
    This NWO is reminiscent of the Finnish war, the West packed them with weapons, cement, food. And ours are on cavalry, on pillboxes.
  49. 0
    24 March 2023 09: 42
    All fortified areas, even in the Second World War, were first turned into a lunar landscape with artillery. In Berlin, howitzers hit point-blank point-blank range. And then the infantry moved on. What Wagner is doing now will be told to us in forty years, when the dust is shaken off the archives.
    And the descendants will learn a lot about us.

    I am not against sappers and other mechanizations, but the first comment is the most correct.
    1. 0
      24 March 2023 20: 47
      Quote from Kuziming
      All fortified areas, even in the Second World War, first turned into a lunar landscape with artillery

      A stronghold in a panel high-rise building requires multiple 152mm hits, therefore, for effective assault operations, artillery is needed approximately like the German self-propelled guns Sturmtigr of the 1943 model, which had a 380mm projectile weighing 400-450kg each, (in the ammunition load 12) We need armored self-propelled mortars of large calibers for direct fire, according to the principle of one shot one strong point.
      1. 0
        25 March 2023 08: 10
        Even in the "mother of all battles" during the assault on Aleppo, jihadist fanatics first threw homemade mines with explosives with a shaitan pipe ("I can only estimate the caliber at about 200-250 millimeters, the weight of the mine - well, realizing that it is not the world champion in barbell in the frame of us, - 40-45 kilograms maximum.")
        Assad's fighters were then found in concrete boxes under a thick layer of concrete dust, such as lunar soil.
        The same fanatics fired at single fighters with infrared-guided ATGMs.
        And running around in bulletproof vests with hand grenades - this has somehow not taken root in world practice.
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  51. 0
    25 March 2023 21: 24
    Assault engineering brigades (at the beginning of 1944 there were 20 of them in the active army), being formations of the RVGK, were used in the most important directions and played a significant role in achieving success in offensive operations. Assault brigades were brought into battle to provide engineering support for breaking through the enemy’s fortified defense line . They could successfully carry out their tasks only if there was clearly established interaction with rifle, armored and mechanized troops and artillery. Since the fighters of the assault groups did not have heavy small arms or their own artillery, after the breakthrough they were no longer tasked with continuing the offensive in their zone, since this always resulted in significant losses, but were immediately transferred to the reserve for replenishment and training. Shisbr was used in clearing mine routes for troop movements, clearing mines, or carrying out road and bridge work.
  52. 0
    26 March 2023 16: 56
    The bad thing is that the article was written incomprehensibly how and incomprehensibly about what. Everything was collected and dumped into one heap. A little history, the author should not invent anything about the miracle people from Wagner, but simply write that human soldiers must be well trained and equipped accordingly , there is a combat manual, an engineering manual, and so on. There are no miracles, take the Battle of Stalingrad, where the commander of the 62nd Army, General Chuikov, created and used assault groups, read how they were armed, their battle tactics, the result, the city on the Volga was defended. Next is the city of Koenigsberg , assault groups trained in actions during the capture of forts showed high results and their effectiveness, so for the capture of one of the forts, 15 servicemen of the assault group received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Military personnel must be taught tactics of action in urban conditions, and who taught them this in our army, where in recent years we have fought only with terrorists, and no one, this is where the results come from. The Soviet army even had airborne assault brigades. Again we learn from our mistakes and the blood of a soldier and an officer. It’s sad.
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