Scandal: parts for rockets on state order stamped in the garage

Russian craftsmen are not deprived. Another proof of this, albeit with a criminal trail, was found by law enforcement officers in Samara, where craftsmen, in artisanal conditions, in garages, started the production of spare parts used in rockets. And not in some sort of rockets of the modeling club, but for space rockets according to the state order.

According to the prosecutor Vladimir Mironov, in the Samara region revealed the facts of the organization of a fraudulent scheme in the implementation of the state order for space and military purposes.

History the scam goes to 2008 year, when the Volga design bureau of the Rocket and Space Corporation. The Queen received a state order for the manufacture of a refueling unit for a launch vehicle and several blocks of cold-blowing missiles used for military purposes. Such data are cited today by ITAR-TASS.

To ensure the fulfillment of the order was transferred fifteen million rubles. At the same time, the implementation of the state order was entrusted to the newly-established LLC, whose production facilities were located in the usual garages of the city of Samara. Forms for rocket parts were drawn up at the car-repair plant located in the Chelyabinsk region, the garage production itself lasted about a year and a half.

Thanks to a carefully debugged inspection system, parts manufactured in Samara garages were rejected both in Moscow and at the Baikonur cosmodrome.

A criminal case has been opened into the detection of a fraudulent scheme. Under suspicion of participation in fraud was the deputy chief designer of the Samara design bureau "Energy".

The investigators succeeded in reaching the garage production after the responsible persons became interested, which led to a marriage in production. Untangling the tangle, the investigators were surprised when they learned that parts for military and space rockets were made in the most ordinary garage boxes.

As a result of the fraudulent scheme, the state suffered material damage in the form of funds supplied for these details, as well as six million rubles of additional damage - this money is needed to refine the defective missile units.

Comments

[Slayer]

Well, it’s funny and sad)))) Probably the Chinese still studied artisanal production from ours)))))

[baltika-18]

Quote: Slayer

Well, funny and sad)

I'm still more anxious. It's not an isolated case, "left-wing" spare parts have been found in aviation. I recently read it. If now, well, for a maximum of 1,5-2 years, Putin will not start changing the system, my forecast is disappointing.

[Lissyara]

In aviation, this trend has been going on for 10 years (with regards to civil aviation). Moreover, people are regularly planted (they may not be planted, but the criminals are definitely aroused), and anyway ... Rogues along the same beaten track.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: baltika-18

. This is not an isolated case, in the aviation found "left" spare parts.

But what do you want, when the main goal in the country is to earn a lot of money. Everyone steals, fakes, and that people may suffer, nobody cares. Putin does not want to fight corruption, he promised and said a lot before the elections. The elections were held

[Retx]

Yeah, harsh Russians pick up rockets in garages It is now clear that the missiles have begun to fall. Eh, where is this famous "Lawrence, figure it out ..."

[Vadivak]

Quote: RETX

Eh, where is this famous "Lawrence, figure it out ..."

Then they would have put the director, and now the switchman

[Lissyara]

I think that they would put everyone, both the director, and the switchman (half would simply be shot).
Eh, Taburetkin and all the swindlers (swindlers, thieves, counterfeiters, etc.) for a week in the 37th. "Tavarish Serdyukov, get excited. Larentiy ..."

[Vadivak]

Quote: LiSSyara

I think that they would put everyone, both the director, and the switchman (half would simply be shot).

And this at a time when there was no self-interest. And now what is needed to save the homeland? Mass shootings?

[Summer]

And they will take kickbacks for executions! Inertia.

[lelikas]

As a result of the fraudulent scheme, the state suffered material damage in the form of funds supplied for these details, as well as six million rubles of additional damage - this money is needed to refine the defective missile units. A good reason for an updated article about treason, and for those who placed orders.

[crazyrom]

Quote: Vadivak

Then they would have put the director, and now the switchman

Then the director would be shot and all who knew about it, and all who did the details. And they’d do it right. And today ... let's hope that at least someone is imprisoned.

[Simon]

In, it must be spread to the whole world, so that they would know that we can collect missiles not only in factories, but also in garages. Then the enemies will think whether it is worth attacking us, or not. The production of missiles will be bombed, and not only missiles will not be enough for garages, but bombs.

[YARY]

Surely one of the old mechanics wanted to earn some money for retirement, but then the constipation in the garage was gathering dust.
So I figured the old one that the place is a turner too, why not joke?
If there was a newer machine, they would be rejected!
And without jokes, it’s scary what we’ve got to, and we continue to roll!

[old rocket man]

Quote: Ardent

And without jokes, it’s scary what we’ve got to, and we continue to roll

Not even the fact of manufacturing parts on the side is sad, most likely, there is no criminality, it is outraged that the marriage was not discovered by the supplier, nor by the customer’s representative, in other words by military acceptance, but directly by the specialists of the training ground. , and refueling is not a joke, there could be casualties, and not small, remember the death of the military crew and Marshal Nedelin.
This is what the managerial "optimization" of production leads to

[Kaa]

Quote: Slayer

Probably the Chinese did study handicrafts from ours.

The main thing is that our people do not begin to adopt their experience, otherwise during the years of the "Cultural Revolution" mini-blast furnaces were built in almost every village, EMNIP, what they smelted - only Tao (or Buddha) knows. If our parts for missiles are already being stamped in the garage, what will prevent them from producing "finished products" in the garage cooperative ?!

[Summer]

Quote: Kaa

If our parts for missiles are already being stamped in the garage, what will prevent them from producing "finished products" in the garage cooperative?

Lack of space!

[collapse]

Akuet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gansik]

Why don't rockets fly like birds?

[lelikas]

Quote: Hansik

Why don't rockets fly like birds?

- because there are no wings.

[Lissyara]

Lived! If the counterfeit has already gone into space. In Soviet times, this could not even be imagined. There was a normal "state acceptance", for the "left bolt with a nut" could put. Hmmm, no words.
PS Here in my neighborhood a couple of garages are idle and the Yauza is nearby. Maybe start handicraft production of nuclear submarine project 855 "Ash"? Joke.

[Wedmak]

If you establish such a production, you will not only not be imprisoned, but your plant will be given. Unless of course your products will compete with the licensed. ))))

[Tirpitz]

Quote: Wedmak

you will not only be imprisoned, but they will also give their plant

They’ll plant, who will voluntarily give up such a feeding trough as the construction of apl?

[Lissyara]

Maxim is right in this case. They will not plant it, but the state simply will not give up such a tidbit, because not even because of money, but precisely because of the lack of opportunities to produce these very high-tech products. How many shipyards do we have? And only Sevmash and the Baltic shipyards are building, as far as I know.

[Z.A.M.]

Lissyara
Here, in "space", it is not at all joyful.

The work planned for this year on the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome has not been completed. This was stated by the Minister of the Russian Federation for the Development of the Far East - Plenipotentiary of the President of Russia in the Far Eastern Federal District Viktor Ishaev, after visiting the construction site.

“We assumed that 2012-18 billion rubles would be spent in 20. There are financial resources, but the maximum development will be 7 billion,” he said.

According to Ishaev, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports, the issues of placing the construction directorate, issuing construction permits, and technical control over the progress of work have not been resolved. There are a lot of price issues, since the design data and the expertise data differ.

The Vostochny cosmodrome is planned to be built in the Amur Region near the closed city of Uglegorsk. The new Angara launch vehicles will be launched from the cosmodrome, the first launch is scheduled for 2015, and the first manned launch in 2018. Currently, all manned Russian launches take place from the Baikonur cosmodrome, which Russia leases from Kazakhstan.

The construction of the spaceport will take place in three stages, designed for a total of 10 years. In total, it is planned to invest 400 billion rubles in the infrastructure of the Vostochny cosmodrome.
Source: rosbalt.ru

Question - why didn’t they master? I have an assumption - there is no one to work with. And why the plans are not fulfilled? ... Maybe someone will enlighten?

[Lissyara]

And not only the lack of a resource. Agreement process. We live in a bureaucratic country, the signature here, the signature there, here is a stamp. And as you know, no one wants to sign anything without bribes.
In general, "Swan, cancer and pike." And nothing has changed....

[Retx]

They steal like at a construction site for APEC, like in Sochi

[Executer]

Ask Nazarbayev ...

[Armata]

Quote: LiSSyara

. How many shipyards do we have? And only Sevmash and the Baltic shipyards are building, as far as I know.

I can answer this question. There were 17 factories directly to shipbuilding factories and about 300 related enterprises to the EBN factories; at the moment, only 6 shipbuilding factories and about 500 related productions work at the defense industry complex (half of them are pure TD)

[Lissyara]

But as I understand it - 6 is taking into account the construction of a surface fleet?

[Armata]

Quote: LiSSyara

But as I understand it - 6 is taking into account the construction of a surface fleet?

Of course. There were few enterprises in underwater construction before.

[sniper]

Quote: LiSSyara

Here in my neighborhood, a couple of garages are idle and Yauza is nearby. Maybe start handicraft production of nuclear submarine project 855 "Ash"?

In every joke .... In St. Petersburg, I know for sure that they produce electronics for submarines in a private shara ... A friend works there .... It has long been not funny, but scary ... Maybe, of course, the private trader can work for the defense industry but ...

[Lissyara]

No, I have one of the companies working mainly for the Moscow Region and government agencies. Direction of ACS.
But! Freebies don't roll. All rank by rank. Expertises, special checks and special investigations, state tests, heaps of accompanying documents (rather not heaps, but tons), etc. I know the hard way what it means to put an object into operation at the Moscow Region. You can get away with seven hundred sweats, but no one moves the timeline (well, with rare exceptions by mutual agreement, there have been various cases). And the failure of the state contract, you understand ... I do not have the Almaz Antey holding, which can still somehow get away with the deadlines, my sharaga will be immediately rolled into the asphalt in this situation.

[papas-57]

And did not try to overtake? LOOK AT THE PARTIES - WHERE WHERE (100%) HELPS

[in reserve]

Lissyara
Here in my neighborhood, a couple of garages are idle and Yauza is nearby. Maybe start handicraft production of nuclear submarine project 855 "Ash"?

And why not, the Colombians over there are stamping mine even from plastic right in the jungle.

[Z.A.M.]

"... the investigators were surprised ..."
And here I am surprised that ... they were SURPRISED. Is it from Mars?
But seriously - this can not be, but there is. Absurd...

[Lissyara]

Yes, I remember the 89th year, an internship in the troops. The boards were delivered to the complex with a little brother (workable, but a little crookedly assembled). So there was such a scandal, the representatives of the plant rushed in at the moment and walked around in the circus. They understood very well that on the basis of a complaint from the unit they could fly out of their jobs, and even with a "wolf" wording in labor.

[Engrim]

These left-handers would be in the right direction and for production, talents disappear ...

[Lissyara]

A good idea, as they say, "Your energy, but for peaceful purposes." But...
"How many wolves do not feed" ... Such goggles will shove material and technologies (maybe even means of production), and again continue to plow for themselves. The psychology "Your pocket is dearer" has not yet been canceled. It's just that someone has a conscience, and someone changed it for a globe in the third grade.

[badabum]

In production, they pay a penny for this work, a salary of 12-15 thousand a maximum per month and another 13% will be torn out. Grandfathers only remained at the factories, but young people won’t go.
There is a problem in the average salary in the defense complex, with indicators of 45000-50000 rubles. on the nose from the minister to the press officer.
When analyzing by posts and average salary for them, everything is not so beautiful ((((
s / n directors at 1300000 rubles per month and his hard workers ate 20000 scraped with processing and trash.
Because that's all in the garages.

[papas-57]

THE STATE DOESN'T NEED THESE `` LEVSH ''. IF `` LEFT'S '' IS GOOD, IT WILL REPLACE ANY NII. AND WHERE THE RANKS AND PRIZES AFTER THIS TAKE. NOT ALL PEOPLE FOR MONEY WASTE, TO WHOM TITLES AND HONOR SERVING (ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY DIED). AND A PRIVATE SUCH `` LEVSHU '' WILL ALWAYS WARM UP (ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO NOT PAY A LOT)

[Armata]

And why is everyone so surprised? Cantrofact is used by almost all defense industry enterprises and they all know this and do not shout. The MO acceptance structure is on its side; the customer’s representative offices are almost all closed. Recently, a case was opened when one of the companies supplied Chinese elements with glued nameplates and nothing continues to work, they only threatened her with a finger a little. And the fact that they burned due to their elements of their products to several million (and already mounted on the ship) duck it does not care, we are rich.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

Recently, a case was opened when one of the companies delivered Chinese elements with re-glued nameplates and nothing continues to work,

Hi Zhenya, who belongs to the company?

[Armata]

Hi Sanya. I don’t know who it belongs to. Based in St. Petersburg. Delivered force sensors up to 20 tone not calibrated. When the warning system burned down, they began to disassemble it, and inside everything is written in Chinese.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

Based in St. Petersburg.

Eugene, just in another article about St. Petersburg recalled If St. Petersburg is involved, then it’s as if the grandmother had sailed away. Every day I have less and less confidence in our government, and there has been no respect for a long time.

[Armata]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If St. Petersburg is involved, then it’s as if the grandmother had sailed away. Every day I have less and less confidence in our government, and there has been no respect for a long time.

You're not alone. Look above, I wrote how many subcontractors are now in the construction of ships and the most amazing thing is that most of them are Moscow and St. Petersburg (that is, cities where they don’t release anything like that)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

(that is, cities where nothing like this is released)

The organizers are sitting there, they are our leadership. The fish rots from the head. Yesterday the article on the fleet was interesting, it was a pity you weren’t.

[Armata]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yesterday, an article about the fleet was interesting, sorry you weren't there.

I read it today. And so it’s full of work, today at the end of the day I got a little freed.

[Lissyara]

It’s like in a joke:
"The Chinese military who infiltrated the US spy plane were pleased
surprised to find that all the secret equipment located on his
board, was made in China. "

[stray]

and blasphems here to comment, if for a mate and curses-ban.

[askort154]

The people are getting smaller. Korolev also collected the first rocket in the barn on his knee,
for the purpose. Modern “korolevs” adapt for the sake of money.

[v53993]

The state, with tenacity worthy of better application, has been ruining industry for 20 years and getting rid of specialists like ballast. And the expelled experts, as far as possible, tried to preserve the production by moving it to garages and other places. Not a bad trend. And as for quality, I think that in three years there would have been both quality and young trained specialists.

[sapulid]

Plus, that finally revealed. It’s bad that they brought to this. I hope that an increase in state-owned staff will help to eliminate the shortcomings. So tired of seeing the collapse of the once most powerful country in the world, which was my homeland. I would like my growing little son to be proud of Russia, not because his dad lived there, but because it is a strong and prosperous power.

[Bugor]

Urlichich was given a hat. While not much, but maybe then add?

[wax]

Yes, capitalism and Russia are incompatible.

[Papakiko]

Z.A.M.,
How everything was built in 30-50 years at the STAKHANOV pace?
How are documents and permits executed and received?
Where the Chinese on their "wall" coordinated the documents and the Egyptians on the "pyramids" ???? The questions are dark, the answers are 0 .....!

[botur2013]

If this goes on, artisanal training centers for pilot training, etc. will soon appear.

[rumatam]

Popovkin as a "furniture maker" to retire and check in full, missiles fall, otherwise he smiles all over the country and like water off a duck's back.

[Dimych]

And recently infa from Rogozin slipped that he considers it possible to involve private companies in the creation of nuclear weapons. The nuclear bomb created in the garage !!! Already not funny.

[military]

Quote: Dimych

And recently infa from Rogozin slipped that he considers it possible to involve private companies in the creation of nuclear weapons.

this *** is forgivable, he has long been distinguished by "intelligence and quick wits" ...
but regarding the involvement of commercial structures in the implementation of the state defense order ... se la vie ... it was through the efforts of the clan of reformers and their effective management that a whole number of defense industry enterprises have long lost both design technologies, production capacities, and valuable personnel ... the concept of a closed technological cycle has sunk into history ... they cannot objectively manage without a private trader ... and, I want to note that today not every adequate private trader (believe me, there are many) is ready to get into a government contract ... they are getting smarter ... the money there is "long" (chairs today, and money the day after tomorrow), product requirements - higher than the roof, profitability (taking into account the prospect of fulfilling the requirements) does not very much "warm" the soul (you can't screw it up!) ... therefore, many today themselves turn off their presence in this sector ... and they are replaced by another "private trader", affiliated and initially sharpened only for "hapok" ...

[Zerstorer]

Well, OMP in the garage really can not be done, although what the hell is not joking. But small arms in our garages do.

[bremest]

We must ask from the wise guy who ruined it all, removed the military acceptance and quality control ...........

[Lissyara]

Then we start with Mikhailo Sergeevich with his pluralism of opinions.

[military]

Quote: LiSSyara

Then we start with Mikhailo Sergeevich with his pluralism of opinions.

you can start with him ...
just not to forget "accidentally" those who drove after and after him ... Benya and the galley ... they finished it off ... stubbornly and tastefully ...

[understudy]

Yeah ... and what else can we get from the garages?
However, this is "the territory of male freedom", so if it's a good joke ...

[Tester]

This is a systemic situation that arose as a result of the functioning of the 94 Federal Laws (tenders) and the pricing policy of the Ministry of Defense regarding the determination of the starting price at tenders. At prices, there seems to be an order for GDP to Ragozin (i.e., MIC). What about 94 Federal Laws ?. Until the crooks run out, one-day companies will appear to participate in the competition - withdrawing an advance - self-liquidation without a refund. So far, prices will be set at the level of the cost of assembly without any profit (which is currently pressing the defense industry enterprises) orders will be placed in garages and utility rooms.

[Averias]

There is only one optimism that inspires us: We will never defeat anyone (I will rephrase - I cannot understand Russia with my mind). In what other country of the world this fact is possible, but it’s possible, to whom else can such an idea come to us?

[Kyrgyz]

Here comes NATO, all garages now need to be added to the list of goals

[Kosmodrom]

Gentlemen! It is necessary to distinguish between parts for missiles and parts for technological and technical equipment from launch complexes. Parts for missiles are, in principle, impossible to make in a "garage". As for the rest of the equipment, before it is admitted to the missile preparation cycle (accepted into operation), a number of tests (factory, autonomous, complex, special) are carried out with it with the involvement of many customer organizations. And the system is accepted into operation after positive test results.
As for this case, it is most likely that it did not even come to the production of parts. It was just implemented one of the schemes of theft of financial assets - the creation of a one-day company, the allocation of money, the disappearance of the company

[Pinochet000]

We cannot be defeated if we collect rockets in the garage
Seriously then ... I watched the news, it seems that the speakers themselves are in a ... e what they have to tell

[Bars90]

After all, the most amazing and sad thing is that this happens in such an authoritative industry as the space industry. And yet, let us recall the Phobos-soil! Immediately they began to throw the blame on Amers, supposedly there they have a super laser, which our satellite shot down. Or maybe so, or maybe everything is much simpler ... Much easier !!!

[bigf]

shoot the bitch everyone needs

[Nechai]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Putin does not want to fight corruption, promised

But how can he deal with the very essence of the current state structure? With its foundation !!!

Quote: lelikas

. A good reason for an updated article about treason, and for those who placed orders

And what are all the oceans -
"Ust-Katav Carriage Works named after S.M. Kirov "- a branch of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise" State Space Research and Production Center named after M.V. Khrunicheva ”(on paper) opened a branch in Samara. Well, and the fact that in three garages, this is so small, right? According to the bamags, everything is in color, bulo.
It’s good at least in Podlipki and in Baikonur they saw a lot of bullshit. As the "protagonist" of this story is expressed / Deputy Chief Designer of RSC Energia / - I really did not want to let this contract out of my hands ...

[Konrad]

Quote: Nechai

"Ust-Katav Carriage Works named after S.M. Kirov "- a branch of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise" State Space Research and Production Center named after M.V. Khrunicheva

Get fucked up! Then it’s clear why the rockets are falling! A ride on such a tram is just an attraction!

[Konrad]

Proud of my superpower! Here, even in a battered garage, they make parts for spaceships!