Yevgeny Prigozhin wrote a letter to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation indicating the situation in Bakhmut and the enemy’s plans to launch a counteroffensive

Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Wagner PMC, published an appeal to Defense Minister General Sergei Shoigu. The appeal is connected with the state of affairs in Artyomovsk (Bakhmut).

Prigozhin confirms the information that the Wagner fighters currently control about 70 percent of the city. At the same time, information was received that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is preparing a counteroffensive with an attempt to recapture the previously lost territories and unblock its garrison in Bakhmut.

Evgeny Prigogine:

According to available information, the enemy plans to launch a large-scale offensive in late March and early April and deliver flank cut-off strikes in order to cut off Wagner PMC units from the main forces of the RF Armed Forces.

In this regard, the Wagner curator urges the Minister of Defense to take all necessary measures to prevent such a cutoff. Otherwise, as Yevgeny Prigozhin notes, the situation will become negative for the entire NWO.

The letter has a closed appendix, which, according to Prigogine, reveals the enemy's plan and methods of counteracting the implementation of this plan.

At the moment, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have one controlled road to Bakhmut - through Artyomovskoye (Khromovo). At the same time, data were previously received about an increase in the concentration of enemy forces and means in Konstantinovka, from where attempts were already made by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct reconnaissance in force in the direction of Kurdyumovka, south of Artyomovsk. So far, all enemy attempts to break through in this direction have been repulsed.

Comments

[voice of reason]

The Wagners have not only the best assault infantry in the world, but also intelligence is excellently staged. The picture, of course, is an interesting one. It seems that there are interdepartmental contradictions that may allow the enemy to achieve some kind of success near Artemovsk. Either to unblock the garrison, or to completely defeat the Wagners and destroy their combat potential and experienced personnel.
However, no one canceled military cunning. This may be a trap that will force the Ukrainian Nazis from the VFU to launch an offensive near Artemivsk, and not somewhere in the Zaporozhye direction towards Melitopol.
Is it good or bad? probably all the same well. Force them to act as mobile formations in conditions of dense urban development and complex terrain of agglomerations with rivers and waste heaps.
In addition, Prigogine is excellent at trolling the Kyiv clown and his regime. Brings information to the public plane, so that the enemy is forced to react. Now it will be as difficult for a Zeli clown to refuse an operation in the “Bakhmut Fortress” as it is not to accept a call from an airplane about an air battle or a personal meeting from the same Prigozhin in the same place. For a media-oriented zelebovic addict, this is simply unbearable. Therefore, there is a chance that Prigozhin will still keep the main enemy grouping in his sector of the front and will not let it find another direction ...

[Terenin]

Quote: voice of reason

The Wagners have not only the best assault infantry in the world, but also intelligence is excellently staged. The picture, of course, is an interesting one. It seems that there are interdepartmental contradictions that may allow the enemy to achieve some kind of success near Artemovsk. Either to unblock the garrison, or to completely defeat the Wagners and destroy their combat potential and experienced personnel.
However, no one canceled military cunning. This may be a trap that will force the Ukrainian Nazis from the VFU to launch an offensive near Artemivsk, and not somewhere in the Zaporozhye direction towards Melitopol.
Is it good or bad? probably all the same well. Force them to act as mobile formations in conditions of dense urban development and complex terrain of agglomerations with rivers and waste heaps.
In addition, Prigogine is excellent at trolling the Kyiv clown and his regime. Brings information to the public plane, so that the enemy is forced to react. Now it will be as difficult for a Zeli clown to refuse an operation in the “Bakhmut Fortress” as it is not to accept a call from an airplane about an air battle or a personal meeting from the same Prigozhin in the same place. For a media-oriented zelebovic addict, this is simply unbearable. Therefore, there is a chance that Prigozhin will still keep the main enemy grouping in his sector of the front and will not let it find another direction ...

Well, if so.
But, over the course of a year of the NMD, I personally realized that "modern Russian military strategy, as the basis of military theory and practice," turned out to be to put it mildly ..., terribly simpler, which is confirmed by the February Ugledar, when our "strategists" sent armored vehicles to attack in open areas with unsuppressed enemy artillery ... (I am silent about our real losses).
So, it’s better to be skeptical (and to Prigozhin, and to Shoigu, and to the General Staff, and to the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...), so as not to be mistaken (you can count how many times in hell).

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

So, what is better to be skeptical (to both Prigogine and Shoigu,

If only Shoigu and Prigozhin met, drank tea among themselves... What's so complicated about that?
This misunderstanding with each other is already gaining a great public outcry. I don't think he's good for now.

[Timur_kz]

It's personal there. And Wagner’s fighters swore at Gerasimov and Shoigu, and Prigozhin’s son-in-law Shoigu bows both in the tail and in the mane ... Here only Putin can siege both and promise that in the event of a military defeat, they will be asked the same from everyone.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Timur_kz

It's personal there. And the Wagner fighters obscenely walked through Gerasimov and Shoigu, and Prigozhin inclines his son-in-law Shoigu both in the tail and in the mane ...

So there is something to persuade the daughter and son-in-law Kozhugetovich ... There is an old Russian saying. What is the pop, such is the parish. (the parish in this case is a church community, not a drug addiction joy!) In the USSR, for a family divorce in the service, they hammered so hard that mom mia .. Like - If you and your wife can’t cope, educate, then go on. that you are fit for service! How can you be entrusted with a warship, a battalion, a company, a soldier! ? And here in the family of the Minister of Defense there are such personnel. What does this say?

[Alex_mech]

In case of defeat, there will be no one to ask. There will only be one to blame.

[flicker]

If only Shoigu and Prigozhin met, drank tea among themselves... What's so complicated about that?

They can easily drink tea, but this will not defuse the situation.
They are from different teams.
Shoigu from the security forces team, and Prigozhin from the PRO-Western team, and not just from the pro-Western team, but from its Middle Eastern ethnic part.
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[private person]

Shoigu from the security forces team

What kind of security forces? He was a builder of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and did not serve a day in the army and did not graduate from the General Staff academies.

[flicker]

What kind of security forces? He was a builder of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and did not serve a day in the army and did not graduate from the General Staff academies.

Once again, not from the security forces, but from the TEAM of security officials. Is that clearer?

[Alex_mech]

They are more likely to pour poison into each other's seagulls ...

[brondulyak]

Vodka, people's commissariat one hundred grams ...

[Warrior-80]

So voice the losses from reliable sources, maybe you are right, maybe not. In my opinion, Prigozhin is a good commander, but he has neither knowledge nor information in a strategic plan. Following the special operation, I think our general headquarters chose the plan of concentrating enemy forces in one place and destroying them, which, in principle, is justified to a certain extent. Let's take a different situation, we attack taking cities with heavy losses, destroying them, on unfamiliar territory, with new fortifications, you think it would be better

[dmi.pris1]

Why is Prigogine the commander? He is an organizer, an ideological inspirer. There are commanders-officers, moreover, with a wealth of knowledge and skills. Utkin and the team. They are in the shadows, and this is true. And that says something

[dSK]

“If we need to go to the Dnieper, then for three years. If we need to close the DPR and LPR, then we need to work for at least another year and a half or two, ”Prigozhin said in an interview with journalist Semyon Pegov. /FederalPress, 10.02.23./

[Warrior-80]

I completely agree with you, but for some reason he considers it possible to advise the general staff, I understand everyone wants high-profile victories, but no one taught the history of the Second World War how much direct attacks of cities in Europe cost, it’s a plus from me that they knew what to do , organized to refute not destiny

[dmi.pris1]

True, but I think his advice is aimed at activating the work of the General Staff. He does not advise, but encourages. Regards

[Edik]

It seems to me that Prigozhin constantly secures himself and trolls our generals, and he can be understood! He needs a result, and the generals, as always! Cover your seat from all sides! Although, when it seems ....

[carpenter]

Quote: Edik

It seems to me that Prigozhin constantly secures himself and trolls our generals, and he can be understood!

And why should Prigozhin troll, if Germany and Poland have already transferred 80 Leopards to Kyiv, as well as about 50 T-72s and RT Twardy. Canadian television also showed the loading of armored vehicles that will head to the Armed Forces. Many experts argue that a powerful armored fist is being created in Ukraine at a fairly rapid pace, to which Zelensky ordered to defeat the Wagner PMC on the eve of Xi Jinping's arrival in Moscow on March 20.

And it is with this fist that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to strike at the southern flag of the “loop”, which was formed by the fighters of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s private military company.

[ugos]

Your thoughts are ahead of events. Well, Xi arrived that they weren’t smashing Wagner, otherwise the thoughts were correct, and our parquet shufflers are not going to strongly defend Prigozhin, then they will say that Wagner has gone too far, it was necessary to take an example from them, not in too much of a hurry.

[flicker]

Prigogine, our parquet shamblers are not going to protect much

The cooks will not protect much, but the Wagner fighters will be, as their own.

then they will say that Wagner has gone too far, it was necessary to take an example from them, not in too much of a hurry.

And by the way, if they say it is not unreasonable.
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After the explosions of SP-1,2, we were forced to switch to a strategy of war of attrition, i.e. To long warwhere it is extremely important to take care of personnel and technical resources. And this is a transition to active defense along the entire front, and the length of the front should be as small as possible - and this (from geometry) is a straight line.
For example, the capture of Soledar (which is the undoubted success of the Wagner fighters) increases the front line, which means that additional personnel must be transferred. Moreover, Wagner suffers losses that exceed the losses of the Russian Armed Forces.
But of course, the very fact of taking Soledar gives more gains than costs.

[1 z1]

Strong strategy. People die in passive or active defense every day. That is, it turns out that human lives are changing for a while without any clear goals, and this time is clearly not needed for the depletion of the EU and the USA. And it’s not a fact that there would have been more losses with a more “active defense” on a broad front. But unfortunately this is impossible. No matter how bitter it is to say, the technical, tactical, strategic and logistical superiority is not on our side. Well, a rhetorical question - what would a whole horde of the Armed Forces of Ukraine not engaged in defense do, if there were no such rubilov around Bakhmut.

[flicker]

People die in passive or active defense every day.

They die in war, who argues with that?
The question of the number of those who die, other things being equal, more people die during an offensive. Once again, under equal conditions. But the conditions are not equal - we have an advantage in artillery, MLRS, aviation. Accordingly, more APU die.

it turns out that human lives change for a while without any clear goals

It would be more correct to say that the SAVING of human lives is changing for a while.
Goals: if we maintain the current situation, then we win.

and this time is clearly not needed for the depletion of the EU and the USA

This time is needed to change the GEOPOLITICAL situation in the world.
The United States believes (not unreasonably) that in 1-2 years China will catch up with them both in terms of the development of high technologies and the military might of the US Armed Forces.
In fact, this is the end of US hegemony. In other words, no later than in 1-2 years, the US should start a war with China.
And fighting China and Russia at the same time is too problematic for the collective West.
Already today, Ukraine is experiencing a lack of weapons and ammunition.
The West, in order to increase the production of the necessary military products (only for the Ukrainian theater of operations), will need from a year to two.
So they are in trouble.

How bitter it is to say technical, tactical, strategic and logistical superiority is not on our side

The impression that you are generally interested in this topic yesterday.
Who today whines all the time that "give us tanks, planes, ships, etc., etc." ?
At the expense of logistics.
Well, yes, dragging weapons from the United States is Ukraine's logistical advantage.

Well, a rhetorical question - what would a whole horde of the Armed Forces of Ukraine not engaged in defense do, if there were no such rubilov around Bakhmut.

Rhetorical answer: what are the "hordes" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine doing in Nikolaev, Avdiivka, Zaporozhye, etc.?

[Edik]

Quote: carpenter

Many experts argue that a powerful armored fist is being created in Ukraine at a fairly rapid pace, to which Zelensky ordered to defeat the Wagner PMC

All experts are propagandonists. What does Zelensky say?

[Timur_kz]

Yes, we have already seen one such trap in the Kharkov direction. Many, including here on the forum, believed to the last that this was a brilliant gambit, how to lure out fresh units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine prepared in the west and smash them in one fell swoop. Even some mythical corps of the latest armored vehicles existed. After that, there is no need to talk about the abilities of the General Staff.

[Maz]

Respect to Prigogine and Vivat to the orchestra! They are the only ones who go forward, do not give up what they have won, and identify and show saboteurs, traitors and pests within the country and morph. A great example for the youth. This is how you love your country! And the letter is correct, so that later the ingenious headquarters would not get away, they say the enemy was cunning, we had few satellites, secrecy was great, we were bombarded with disinformation ... Bullets whistled over our heads!

[Edik]

Quote: Maz

Respect to Prigogine and Vivat to the orchestra!

The deepest respect for all Russians who are now working (protecting Mother Russia) in the PMC Wagner! They are now in such a tough framework that you can really talk about everyone as a Hero! There are no more spirited fighters in the world now!

[flicker]

This may be a trap that will force the Ukrainian Nazis from the VFU to launch an offensive near Artemivsk, and not somewhere in the Zaporozhye direction towards Melitopol.

They will start, they will definitely start near Artemovsk, precisely so that we can pull the reserve there - and then they will strike with the main forces in the direction of Melitopol.
They also report that the main forces of the VFU are now in the Zaporozhye region, from where it is equally possible to transfer forces in both directions with equal success.

[Alexey G]

The Wagners have not only the best assault infantry in the world, but also

And they're running out of power...
Head-on attacks give their results, so Prigogine is insured just in case ... Like, if I asked for help, officially! Everyone saw and heard. Here he is great. He remembers the story about Strelkov. He also asked for help, but did not show the letter.
In short, without MO, he will soon be tight and this is understandable!
A slow advance and picking with small forces gave interest instead of a city and the danger of a counterattack with unclear consequences!
The city is underprivileged and underencircled! Everything is not yet!

[Beagle]

What if it's not? What if the Wagnerites find themselves in real trouble? Prigogine will be made the last...

[Mikhail Ya2]

We heard this during the regroupings near Kherson and Izyum. As they wrote here: we are luring ukrov from fortified areas in order to unfigure in the steppe ....... just that no one was figuring

[Al manah]

Again he distracts the busiest person from the most important affairs of state, and even with some insignificant nonsense ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Sad fact. One could calmly think that "everyone sees upstairs" if it were not for the summer tank biathlon and the opening of the Ferris wheel by the president against the backdrop of the Kharkov failure. The question became rhetorical - how once again such a concentration was allowed, which only the lazy one does not talk about.

[Konnick]

Again he distracts the busiest person from the most important affairs of state, and even with some insignificant nonsense ...

He has no time, he needs to create

But seriously, how can you find time for a hobby in such a position, then you come home from work, eat and sleep, and then the day repeats ... although Tukhachevsky "managed" to make violins ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Al Manah

Again he distracts the busiest person from the most important affairs of state, and even with some insignificant nonsense ...

Yes ... Wood carving requires a lot of time and energy, as well as a lot of intellectual attempts ... Well, yes, nothing ... our "busy person" is not just like that, but a bunch of intellect.

[your vsr 66-67]

Let's see what Army General S. K. Shoigu will answer.
It seems to me .........

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

Let's see what Army General S. K. Shoigu will answer.

Here is what the former assistant to the speaker of the State Duma, now journalist Anastasia Kashevarova, said ...
: “Our tanker, a shell flew into him. A few hundred meters away stood the political officer. The political officer ran to the hospital - I have stress, I have a concussion, a wound. He is paid 2 million, he is sent to a sanatorium for several months, and he also receives an order. And the guys who really flew in - they don’t care, they also get a fine for the tank. Yes, tech...

Our one tanker sent a video. They left the tank, behind it, apparently, an armored personnel carrier was standing, and flew there, and something was on fire. And they were afraid that this fire would go to the equipment. And he stands, takes off and just cries - my tank, my tank! They live it. Not because they are some kind of warriors, but because they don’t know otherwise. Like Bodrov - “I just love the Motherland”, here, they simply love the Motherland.

And it's not just Vanya. This is Azamat, this is Ibrahim, this is some Maga, this is Vanya, Petya, Kostya. They are all in this unity, and they are all Russians in one trench, ”said Kashevarova.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Here is what the former assistant to the speaker of the State Duma, now journalist Anastasia Kashevarova, said ...
: “Our tanker, a shell flew into him. A few hundred meters away stood the political officer. The political officer ran to the hospital - I have stress, I have a concussion, a wound. He is paid 2 million, he is sent to a sanatorium for several months, and he also receives an order. And the guys who really flew in - they don’t care, they also get a fine for the tank. Yes, tech...

What a wild imagination the girl has. Someone would have told her that political officers were abolished long ago.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Who would have told her that political officers were abolished long ago

"A holy place is never empty ! The political officers were replaced by deputies for educational work, who, out of habit, sometimes continued to be called "political officers" ...; but more than that, in 2018. returned the political officers! So... don't hold backvovochkarzhevsky !

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Firstly, the deputy for educational work, this is just a deputy commander.
Secondly, since 2018, only one conversation. Has at least one military-political school been restored? So no. In addition, the political leaders are, first of all, the conductors of the policy of the CPSU. So this party does not exist either. What then to talk about?
Thirdly, and most importantly, what was this Anastasia Kashevarova talking about? I quote again:

Our tanker, a shell flew into him. A few hundred meters away stood the political officer. The political officer ran to the hospital - I have stress, I have a concussion, a wound. He is paid 2 million, he is sent to a sanatorium for several months, and he also receives an order. And the guys who really flew in - they don’t care, they also get a fine for the tank. Yes, tech...

Perhaps for impressionable couch strategists this is the very thing, but I can’t even imagine the situation somehow.
Like, here he is a tank, and behind "several hundred meters" is a political officer. Why and why he is standing in the firing zone is not clear, but it is like a figure on a chessboard.
Further, I will tell you a great secret, but for a hospital, a political officer at the level of no higher than a battalion, this is far from a figure, the same officer "" as other commanders of this link. So there will be no preferences for the position. As well as hospitalization, payments without real injuries, or shell shock.
For the sake of interest, I googled who Anastasia Kashevarova is. In general, nothing new. Another glamorous diva who, with age, decided to switch to a patriotic theme.

[your vsr 66-67]

In addition, the political leaders are, first of all, the conductors of the policy of the CPSU.
These words are not only surprised, but somehow especially perceived!
They were the conductors of the CPSU policy, they became the conductors of the United Russia! Has anything changed for political officers?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Has anything changed for political officers?

The political officers simply disappeared as a class. Now it's just another deputy commander.

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Has anything changed for political officers?

The political officers simply disappeared as a class. Now it's just another deputy commander.

Yes, whatever you call it, the essence remains the same!

[Mityasha]

How far out of touch with reality! Law journalist. The position of such a "deputy commander for military-political work" has been restored in the troops for the past 4-5 years. They even have their own management in the general structure. So the political officers are more alive than all the living!

[1 z1]

Already answered March 21, 23. "Any war ends in peace," Shoigu told reporters in response to a question about how the conflict in Ukraine would end.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, everyone seems to know everything
didn’t they really prepare a vigorous response for the Western mercenaries, if the Ukrainians still trample on the offensive ?!

[NickShel]

If they didn’t prepare after Kharkov and Kherson, why should they now?

[fruc]

alexey_444......the press relishes the road of death according to orcs.

Don't you think that the road was left on purpose to wet the Nazis there like in a shooting range?

[NickShel]

Did you know that the ratio of losses of attackers to defenders is 3 to 1?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: alexey_444

There are still many orcs, sequester and sequester.

Lyoshik? Who are you going to sexvist and sexvist there?

[Amateur]

Yesterday, according to press reports, the Supreme Commander spoke behind closed doors for several hours with his chief of the general staff. I hope the Supreme Commander was able to explain to the general that if he continues to fight the way he has for the last six months, then it is Gerasimov who will go to the ICC in The Hague.
ps For some reason, reading about the actions and decisions of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation lately, I recall an old joke about a brothel in which beds were rearranged endlessly ...

[Aken]

These people are untrained. There is nowhere even to take new girls, because the untrained have prepared a shift for themselves.

[Timur_kz]

Are you sure that Putin cares about this? If he knows at all about the current situation at the front... Who reports to him? - Gerasimov and Shoigu. During the Kharkov counteroffensive, all three of them, Putin, Gerasimov and Shoigu, together drove off to the Far East, to gawk at the exercises. That's what it was, how to describe in words? One gang-watering can, and Putin covers them to the last, because he is the right kid, he does not give up his own.

[1 z1]

To be honest, it is no longer clear which of them is covering whom and who is giving instructions to whom.

[solar]

Yevgeny Prigozhin wrote a letter to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation indicating

Avon both turned with the Secretary of Defense.
Judging by the text, the situation is clear - using the advantages of supplying ammunition, Wagner has come forward and may get into a difficult situation, or he will have to retreat.

[Mikhail Maslov]

If you continue to fight and live like this, then in my opinion this is already a collapse. If military people sort things out (which is already a precedent), and even through the media, completely different questions arise. What are you doing ...?

[UAZ 452]

Military people - who is this? Prigogine? Shoigu? The first is not military, and does not pretend to be. The second is a hero, of course, and a whole army general, but this does not really make him a military man - there is not enough education.

[art266]

Many commanders of the Civil War 1918-1921. were also not military by education, but how they fought!

[sdivt]

Quote: voice of reason

In addition, Prigogine is excellent at trolling the Kyiv clown ... For a media-oriented drug addict, this is simply unbearable.

I've always wondered... I'm a Russian, just like many here, I sincerely want Russia's victory, and not only in this conflict, but... but I read such pearls, and I'm perplexed - what is it? What makes you (and not only you) write like that? Chasing light pluses? The desire to please, to put it mildly, the part of the audience not burdened with intelligence? Or is it some new high-flying humor? Or just age? All these "zelibobiks", "Kyiv clowns" and so on - does it somehow lift you up, gives you significance? Do you really think it's funny, fresh and original?
Frankly, I don’t understand, is this terminology, at the level of junior classes, really in demand by someone ?!
However, now I will find out)

[Aken]

You don't find out. The Chistle Wars ended in 1870 and you didn't notice.
The last burp was German propaganda in 1914. Germany lost the information war miserably.

[STORM 12]

The desire to please, to put it mildly, the part of the audience not burdened with intelligence? Or.

[Katya_Ivanova]

I have already learned the names of the Donbass villages. Even though I had never heard of them before. A year has passed - and only two regional centers. Anyone else hoping to win?

[arthh]

You idiot, ask the question otherwise, not how far you have advanced, but how much enemy meat was ground in that direction compared to the Russian military, and so, if you don’t understand anything, it’s better to close your mouth and sit silently

[NickShel]

The ratio of the losses of the attackers to the defenders is 3 to 1. So consider who crushed whom more

[kill the fascist]

It’s not very close to victory yet, I think that we need to cut another two hundred thousand trousers and everything will be ok.

[kakvastam]

Prigozhin's appeal to Shoigu, who does not solve anything in this situation, indicates that he has already broken all the pots with Gerasimov.
And this is not a disaster, this is p @ c.

[Aken]

Prigogine no longer has any sane interlocutors left.

[tralflot1832]

Prigozhin is a good fellow, he's making fun of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as if his commanders don't send a summary every day, and maybe more often, to a higher headquarters.

[Clear]

Quote: tralflot1832

Prigozhin is a good fellow, he's making fun of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as if his commanders don't send a summary every day, and maybe more often, to a higher headquarters.

Well I do not know. Jokes, this is when I laughed at a concert and went home for dinner. And, here, behind every "joke" are the lives of our fighters.

[NickShel]

I remember when he asked the RF Ministry of Defense for shells, the Armed Forces of Ukraine generously poured them on him, by the way

[nik-mazur]

Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of Wagner PMC, published an appeal to the Minister of Defense

If this is serious, then Prigogine is engaged in some kind of garbage, because in wartime all issues are resolved through closed military channels. And public appeals are for cultural figures, bloggers and other chantraps.
There is a possibility that these are some kind of information and disinformation games, the meaning of which cannot be understood by the uninitiated, but in this case there is nothing to comment on...

[spirit]

Just the same, this is a competent move. Since Parquetny sleeps and sees how to get rid of the Wagners, and will easily merge them at the first successful occasion. And so Prigogine publicly brought up this issue and hedged it and it would not be so easy for Parquetny to set them up

[Thorvlobnor IV]

When one combat unit wants to "get rid" and "merge" another combat unit right at the front, this says a lot about the ability of the belligerent to fight in general. And he also speaks of the discipline and morale prevailing at the front. And he screams about the competence of the command.

[Timur_kz]

Prigogine was blocked from all closed channels, his representative was thrown out of the headquarters of the NVO command. Only the public channel remained. He does everything right. If a counterattack happens and Wagner is crushed, it will be Shoigu's direct fault.

[ossetia90]

An interesting move by Prigogine, there is something for the ukrobes to think about!

[sdivt]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

A year has passed - and only two regional centers. Anyone else hoping to win?

If we discard all populist arguments, and all assessments are "good" or "bad", then in fact - since 2014 Russia has received a territory of 125 thousand square meters. km. And the fighting is now taking place on the former Ukrainian territory
Here is this - fact.
And how you regard it, as a victory, or as a defeat - depends entirely on you.

[Kronos]

Not at all. Russian citizens are regularly fired upon and killed in the border areas.

[1 z1]

Here 99,99 percent for the victory. But the fact remains that, in addition to the "received" territories in which hostilities are being conducted, they also received a "gray stripe" 10-15 km wide along the border in 3 border regions, which is regularly shelled and visited by DRGs.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from sdivt

And the fighting is now taking place on the former Ukrainian territory
Here is this - fact.

Fact. Only at such a pace is it possible to fight until Morkovkin's conspiracy.

[sdivt]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Prigozhin is engaged in some kind of garbage, because in wartime all issues are resolved through closed military channels

Prigogine never misses an opportunity to get more media exposure. However, he has a right. And this does not detract from his success,
However, as noted here, this can also be a trick designed for the enemy.
Prigogine can do this too)

[nik-mazur]

Quote from sdivt

Prigogine never misses an opportunity to get more media coverage. However, he has the right

As a civilian private person, he has the right to even dance naked and post it on YouTube. And how the military and the commander of the combat unit can / must submit reports through military channels. Because, there is one of two things: either military discipline, or a democratic circus.
In general, how wild this can be understood if you imagine how some division commander, for example Panfilov, publicly makes claims to Zhukov by writing a letter to the Pravda newspaper.

[Wayfarer_2]

I know how to solve this problem and controversy and everything else. Prigozhin should be invited to Gerasimov to rotate troops or, if you like, redeploy. PMC "Wagner" will hand over its positions in Bakhmut and around it to units of the Russian Defense Ministry, and the "Wagner" group will be redeployed to positions near Avdiivka or near Ugledar. Or to the area Svatovo - Kreminnaya. I understand perfectly well that for Prigozhin to give 70% of Bakhmut taken to some uncle is also not very joyful, but such a maneuver will solve all problems, and it will more clearly show who is who in this SVO. I think that Ugledar or Avdiivka will be taken somewhat faster in the event of such a maneuver.

[MURZABAEV]

It's strange how he writes letters. Shoigu does not solve anything, one must turn to Gerasimov to coordinate actions.

[raki-uzo]

Prigogine lost a lot of time with this Bakhmut. And they got ready.

[ugos]

And that the SVO is led by Prigozhin, but I thought the General Staff of the Moscow Region, headed by Gerasimov.

[place]

Quote: raki-uzo

Prigogine lost a lot of time with this Bakhmut. And they got ready.

And all this can be thought over and decided without notifying the general public, which still cannot be an expert.
Here the main question is in another ; Why do we constantly hear this troublemaker for any reason, while everyone else is silent? Here is the main secret. Can anyone explain convincingly? Only from all sides you hear; "Prigozhin said this, Prigogine said that..."

[flicker]

Why do we constantly hear this troublemaker for any reason, while everyone else is silent? Here is the main secret. Can anyone explain convincingly?

Out of him strenuously they mold a "hero-patriot" of the ONLY defender of Russia.
Who helps to sculpt?

The Federal News Agency (RIA FAN, Federal News Agency No. 1[1]) is a Russian online publication established in May 2014 in St. Petersburg and focused on covering federal news[2][3][4]. A number of Russian and foreign publications call FAN the largest publication in the "media factory", which associated with entrepreneur Yevgeny Prigozhin and the Internet Research Agency (“troll factory”)

Who is closely associated with RIA FAN

According to RBC's investigation, the "media factory" includes at least 16 publications, nine of which are officially registered by Roskomnadzor as mass media. The largest project is the Federal News Agency, closely related to it:

Economics Today (rueconomics.ru)
"People's News" (nation-news.ru)
"Politics Today" (polit.info)
KievSMI (kievsmi.net)
New Inform (newinform.com)
"PolitExpert" (politexpert.net)
Nevsky News (nevnov.ru)
Kharkiv News Agency (nahnews.org)
"Inforeactor" (inforeactor.ru)
"Journalistic Truth" (jpggazeta.ru)
PolitRussia (politros.com)
Word and Deed (slovodel.com)
Politpuzzle (politpuzzle.ru)
Who's Who (whoswhos.org)

Now what does the "troll factory" do?

"Internet Research Agency" (also referred to in the press and other sources as "kremlebots", "troll factory", "Prigogine trolls”, “Olginsky trolls”, “lahtobots”) - a Russian structure headquartered in St. Petersburg, engaged in disinformation, the formation of public opinion, in particular by discrediting the Russian opposition. The agency uses fake accounts in major social networks and online publications, forums and video hosting to promote the interests of the customer

For what purpose?
Prigozhin is being molded into a super-patriot (the ONLY fighter against the Ukronazis) in order to accumulate patriotic energy.
And then use it (patriotic energy) to break the state structure of Russia.
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The West, for example, is well aware that no Ukraine will win a war against Russia. The purpose of the war is to raise a negative wave in Russia (a negative wave is energy, today in Russia only patriots have it) and with its help to destroy Russia.
It is necessary that the patriots of Russia and ruined.
For this, the patriots need a LEADER.
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And now the question is: why does Prigozhin (using all his media opportunities, including trolls) need patriotic energy and where will he direct it?
He is already probing its possibilities: either against Beglov, then against Kuvaishev, then against the Moscow Region, and so on.

[ivan2022]

Gerasim had been whispering with the Chef the day before. Kojugetych was not allowed. And today, Prig pointed his finger at him directly. What is the conclusion?
There will be a big Benz. And Kojugetych is made extreme.
Prig, well done, spread straws.

[flicker]

Prig, well done, spread straws.

She won't help him. There is already Karaulov whining that the project "Cook" is curtailed.

The question is: who turns and why?
I wonder whose project it was?

Prigozhin is a man not without charisma and (which surprised me) a great master of trolling.
It is often not clear to whom he is addressing and why: whether he is trolling, whether he is warning, whether he is trading?
"I have no options, I go to the end. I have people dying in batches."
"If yours takes, take Artemovsk. If not, we go to the Dnieper"
Or here:

Prigogine in reply New York Times from the center of Bakhmut: 70 million Russians will join Wagner PMC to fight for justice

“There are 140 million people in Russia, of which half are for justice. Therefore, if 70 million people who are for justice suddenly come and say that they want to join Wagner PMC, then you will get a 70 million Wagner PMC. And that's good too," he said.

Like, my song has not yet been sung, I can still come in handy - do not close my project.
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You can remember his unprecedented restaurant rise and not somewhere but in St. Petersburg, even in the 90s.
Such steep take-offs do not happen without someone's help.
Whose help - those and the "Project Cook".

[sdivt]

Quote: Kronos

Not at all. Regularly shelling and killing Russian citizens in the border areas

Just in case, if you suddenly missed something, I bring to your attention - Russia is fighting. Or CBO, if you like.
Or, in your understanding, military operations are when soldiers are fighting for something, and I’m watering a garden nearby, and suddenly a shell comes to my garden ?! They went nuts there, didn't they?! Why do I need a war in the kindergarten?!

[Million]

I would not want Prigozhin to be leaked.

[flicker]

I would not want Prigozhin to be leaked

We'll have to, if we want the country under the name of Russia to survive.

[Carlos Hall]

I think normal people in Russia don't like vaudeville around Wagner. It actually makes him vomit. For some reason, they have appeared on the battlefield as the most reliable troops, advancing when others can't, or advancing at a snail's pace. If Wagner falls, Russia will lose the war. Small games of interest and pride are out of place when the fate of Russia is at stake. Also, if Wagner falls, many more pieces will fall with Wagner, like a house of cards. The snowball of disaster will begin to roll, and few will be spared, no matter what position they may be in.

[UAZ 452]

According to available information, the enemy plans to launch a large-scale offensive in late March and early April and deliver flank cut-off strikes in order to cut off Wagner PMC units from the main forces of the RF Armed Forces.

Wow! And all military experts convince us that in Ukraine only frontal attacks, "grinding" and squeezing are possible. I wonder what these same experts will say if the Armed Forces of Ukraine manage to carry out both flank strikes and encirclement?

[Turtle]

The boss must be brought to the ranks (individually), where they will end up if they set up the Wagner ones, or convey to Prigozhin himself that there will be no support, so that he is ready to act according to circumstances and withdraw people when things worsen.

It is necessary to appreciate those who go to Hell as if they were working, otherwise everyone who supports them will turn away - then you can put "the last general's cartridge" into the magazine of a nominal pistol.

PS: How do we even live without the death penalty?

PPS: Minus as much as you like.

[flicker]

In this regard, the Wagner curator urges the Minister of Defense to take all necessary measures to prevent such a cutoff. Otherwise, as Yevgeny Prigozhin notes, the situation will become negative for the entire NWO.

It looks like blackmail.
Article on VO dated March 4

Drawing a hypothetical situation of the retreat of his group, Prigozhin believes that in this case, his political and military opponents in Moscow and the Russian Defense Ministry will try to blame the “Wagnerites” for the fact that the military campaign in Ukraine was lost. Here's what it will look like:

A group of mercenaries led by Prigozhin convinced President Putin of their need to participate in a special operation. After that, she stood in Bakhmut and began to grind the Ukrainian army. Subsequently, without agreeing with the leadership of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Defense, or someone else, rebounded. After that, the Ukrainian army, like a straightened spring, burst into the LPR, reached the Russian border, then the flanks fell down, and perhaps Crimea would have been lost.

It looks like the finished drain plan was already ready on March 4,

Drawing a hypothetical situation of the retreat of his group

I didn’t forget to lay a straw (i.e. relieve myself of responsibility)

they will try to blame the “Wagnerites” for the fact that the military campaign in Ukraine was lost

It is obvious to everyone that the Ukronazis are preparing a counteroffensive against Melitopol, it is also obvious that in order to stop it, it is necessary to create a supply of shells.
But Prigozhin, who declares to the whole country about the lack of shells, seems to be trying to frustrate the Defense Ministry's plan to increase the supply of shells.
Those. goes against the plans of the MO.

A little earlier, the Defense Ministry justifiably switched to active defense. Accordingly, PMC Wagner was obliged to act in accordance with this plan. But the "founder" of the PMC had his own plans, the plans of the Ministry of Defense were not decreed to him.
Prigozhin seems to have started demanding that the PMC Wagner go forward regardless of the losses (for which he deftly blamed the "shell hunger" allegedly arranged by the Moscow Region) and take Soledar, and now also Bakhmut.

The impression is that Wagner PMCs (really brave fighters) are being driven somewhere into a trap.

Moreover, the "founder" himself announced this trap on March 4, and he drives them into this trap.
Question: for what?
Just some kind of HUTSPA on the march.

[BorzRio]

Who told you all this? Someone who owns all 100% of the information? They leaked information to you from the headquarters of the special operation, that is, they committed a crime? Or do you think that there are idiots around and you are the only smart one? For some reason, I believe more that you yourself thought everything up, picking up stuffing and news on the Internet, and made your own conclusions, prescribing them to other people. Are you not funny yourself?

[flicker]

Who told you all this?

You ask questions, just ask them specifically. What exactly is bothering you?

Are you not funny yourself?

It's not funny to me, I'm not Shenderovich or Prigogine.

[KrolikZanuda]

Until we stop writing in appeals to officials - dear, there will be no sense.

[BorzRio]

If the Hohlopitek offensive, trumpeted all over the planet, begins and there is a serious breakthrough with a serious retreat of the Russian troops with the surrender of settlements, this will hit hard on respect and trust in the president. Not to mention the same to the military command. For already every cat on the streets of the worlds is aware of the collected shock fist of dill with the help of the West. And not to be ready for such a scenario would be a betrayal, a crime. I hope everyone in the General Staff understands this and has some kind of plans and reserves for this case.

[Dmitrii]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Terenin

So, what is better to be skeptical (to both Prigogine and Shoigu,

If only Shoigu and Prigozhin met, drank tea among themselves... What's so complicated about that?
This misunderstanding with each other is already gaining a great public outcry. I don't think he's good for now.

What makes you think that there are any misunderstandings? Everyone is talking about the failure of autumn 2022, but there was a different situation. It was no longer possible to advance further, but the offensive continued, while there were no lines of defense and there was an acute shortage of personnel. I really hope this isn't the same situation.

[VladimirNET]

It’s good that he wrote an OPEN letter so that the “cadres” from the RF Ministry of Defense would not set up Wagner PMCs, as was the case with shells: after all, victory is forged not only at the front, but also by organizing the leadership of the entire front and disorganizing Russia’s internal enemies (if they still exist in the RF Ministry of Defense ).

[Prokop_Pork]

You can, of course, take this as a cunning plan to lure the Urints, but knowing how things have been going on over the past year, I think that everything is exactly like this: it is only right to address the Ministry of Defense to Wagner in public. Otherwise, then you will not find any traces of appeals or those responsible. And there will be no reaction either.

[Andrey1966]

I can imagine how during the Second World War the press published a letter from the commander of one of the units to People's Commissar Tymoshenko. When will this ..in the press rinsing of dirty laundry end? There is no need for x.ohlopropaganda here - we can handle it ourselves.

[nsws3]

How many experts are there! The Minister of Defense is, as it were, such a position as a manager, like the Ministry of Defense itself, whose main task is to equip and provide the army with everything necessary (from matches to satellites), but it fights, plans, sets tasks for the commanders and commands the troops The General Staff with its operational control and GRU. A small example from the history of the Second World War: look who was part of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command and what the headquarters did. The school taught me this way: the commander commands, and the chief of staff directs the troops, I will decipher: the commander said the troops there and there, and the chief of staff did how to send troops there and there.

[German Brit]

For them, Wagner and the army are not obliged. As stated by the Ministry of Defense and the government. There is still no answer to the question of discrediting the participants of the SVO. Wagner falls under this or not! If yes! That is why the official has not yet been arrested in accordance with the new decree. Who insulted them and their relatives. They did not give permission for burial. So it is here!

[place]

Quote from German Brit

For them, Wagner and the army are not obliged. As stated by the Ministry of Defense and the government. .... why the official has not yet been arrested in accordance with your decree. Who insulted them and their relatives. They did not give permission for burial. So here!

Prigozhin also stated that Wagner had nothing to do with the Moscow Region. Have you forgotten or didn't know?
And as for who insulted whom, it's a muddy matter. I do not really believe that all the relatives of the victims strongly wanted to be buried in the village of Baku. Rather, they wanted to be buried at home. And I understand that Prigozhin had no interest in sending them all to addresses. It is cheaper to take everyone to Baku. This has been done since December 2022, and then the authorities began to resent that the village, where less than 100 people live, was filled with coffins .... The location of PMC Wagner-Molkin is a farm in the municipality "Goryachiy Klyuch" of the Krasnodar Territory. It is part of the Saratov rural district .. And the village of Baku is different. Prigozhin simply grabbed the neighboring territories for his burials. He's so comfortable...

[Volunteer Marek]

The trouble is that MO is not at all satisfied with the state of affairs, in which their "special talent" plays bright colors against the background of musicians. This in no way applies to the guys on the front! You are real heroes. Take care of yourself, beat the Bandera reptile with joint efforts!

[place]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

The trouble is that MO is not at all satisfied with the state of affairs, in which their "special talent" plays bright colors against the background of musicians. This in no way applies to the guys on the front! You are real heroes. Take care of yourself, beat the Bandera reptile with joint efforts!

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not care at all about the genius of the billionaire Prigozhin, the owner of the construction company "Concord" and so on and so forth .... He is generally a pharmacist by profession. But the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not care that the manager of "Wagner" began to call himself the "founder" and demands shells from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which he was supposed to buy at market prices in any country in the World. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is not a store or a shell manufacturer.

[German Brit]

Now he will definitely do EVERYTHING so that they are cut off and suffer losses. Shoigu is only waiting for this and achieving it. He will not receive help. He already said. What Wagner controls.

[lambert]

Quote: Amateur

Yesterday, according to press reports, the Supreme Commander spoke behind closed doors for several hours with his chief of the general staff. I hope the Supreme Commander was able to explain to the general that if he continues to fight the way he has for the last six months, then it is Gerasimov who will go to the ICC in The Hague.
ps For some reason, reading about the actions and decisions of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation lately, I recall an old joke about a brothel in which beds were rearranged endlessly ...

I like commentators like this. The Supreme said... Supreme Clausewitz forgot - war is a continuation of politics, only in other ways. This is what our Supreme Politician has - such a war. And it is not necessary to determine the perpetrators, there is only one guilty, as the task is set and carried out. It has always been since the time of Khrushchev - the politicians screw up, and the military is to blame. The king is good, but the boyars are bad. Heard it repeatedly.

[Herman 4223]

The whole story with Wagner is muddy. Who finances them, who owns it? And what are the interests of the owner of this organization?

[Postcode]

It's all funny .... some letters to the Minister of Defense in the public domain)))) an anecdote .... where the world is heading ... Prigogine did not try to beat off the telegram, "Lightning", "Governmental", read out immediately after receiving .. .. information constituting a military secret in letters is now transmitted ... yes .... really ... a country of not frightened idiots. And there, at the headquarters of the direction and the group as a whole, the operational officer is not sitting from the PMC, is it? Reports and intelligence reports are not updated every two hours? PMC reconnaissance to what depth and in what front line is carried out? Do other intelligence agencies, including the senior command, do not conduct reconnaissance? Another delusional nonsense, I immediately remembered: "... With respect ... Date .... Signature
Answer us, otherwise
If you do not respond
We will write ... to "Sportloto" ...

[Alex_mech]

I don't understand who Prigozhin is, what is his rank and what position? And what is a PMC, what place does it occupy in the structure of the Armed Forces? Somehow strange, a person who does not live in our house demands something from the head of our ZhEK.

[Postcode]

According to "intelligence" data, he already has the rank of Colonel General, a certain structure, not the most alien to GDP. Moreover, as a colonel-general was assigned to him (esssno, by a closed Order, as by a closed decree and the GRF was assigned), so he began to open his mouth on Lapin next, on Shoigu ... By the way, then another "major" commander of our time, General- the colonel was assigned, no, but sho ... talents ...

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Herman 4223

The whole story with Wagner is muddy.
Who finances them

You are WRONG, on the contrary, Russia is lucky that there is such a structure. As for financing, we have already written: a state contract, that is, the customer is the state, or its structure.

By the way, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is also a commercial organization:
https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/4420457

And in any war, it is not money that is important, but victory: which we will certainly get by COMMON efforts (including Wagner PMCs).

[Krilion]

as I understand it, the document was drawn up on purpose, so that in which case no one squeaked that the offensive was unexpected .. as well as in the case of Izyum and so on .. for a month all military correspondents wrote about the accumulation of forces by the enemy, only the General Staff didn’t give a damn .. for these thugs, whatever happens - everything is unexpected ..

[Krilion]

[quote=VladimirNET][quote=Herman 4223]====

And in any war, it’s not money that matters, but victory: which we will certainly get with GENERAL efforts (including Wagner PMCs) [/ quote]

your statement is overly optimistic .. it’s not a victory that awaits us, but an “obscene peace” that will be ordered to be considered a victory ... or do you seriously think that the tasks that were announced at the beginning of the SVO will actually be achieved with the available forces and means? .. three times ha ..

[Mobik]

Something is rotten in the Danish state. If you have to throw out such papers to cover your ass in open access.