Turkey showed a new attack drone Anka-3, designed to break through the defense with a strong air defense system

Turkey continues to develop its own Dronesincluding jet engines. Turkish Aerospace Industries held a presentation of the new Anka-3 strike UAV, the creation of which was announced in December last year.

Anka-3 drone, announced at the end of last year, was finally shown in the form of a full-scale model, and not drawings, as it was before. Whether it was a mock-up or a full-fledged prototype, the company did not explain, but Temel Kotil, CEO of Turkish Aerospace Industries, said that the new drone would soon make its first flight. Judging by this statement, work on this UAV is being carried out very actively.

A new attack drone was announced in Turkey in December 2022. It is being developed by TUSAŞ Engine Industries, a subsidiary of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). The UAV is positioned as a new jet-powered heavy strike UAV capable of striking ground targets even in areas with a strong air defense system, thanks to its armament and its design invisible to radar. The assembly of prototypes and the start of testing are scheduled for this year, but the exact dates are not known.

The importance for Turkey of this development is evidenced by the fact that Erdogan himself presented it in December, saying that Anka-3 is a new generation project that will raise the capabilities of unmanned aerial vehicles to a higher level.

Experts compare the Turkish Anka-3 UAV with the American X-47B, the European nEUROn and the Russian S-70 Okhotnik. From open sources it became known that the maximum takeoff weight of the Turkish drone will be about 7 tons, it will be equipped with a turbofan jet engine.

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[Volunteer Marek]

Does anyone believe that our hunter will be mass-produced in the near future? Are there prerequisites for this? And, here's what the Turks will succeed, somehow believe.

[Galleon]

Is this where you were taught this way: to blow into the pioneer horn, play the drum and slip an article from the end of October last year? Your opponent was talking specifically about the intensive development of this UAV, as if they were trying to catch our war, and you only confirm his words by the fact that over the past six months, the developers of the Hunter have not carried out a single flight. This is how it looks from your post, if you read it carefully.

[Al manah]

But the Turks do not have royal wolves, but we have, here.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Al Manah

But the Turks do not have royal wolves, but we have, here.

They have "gray wolves"!

Gray Wolves (or Bozkurt) is a Turkish youth organization of far-right nationalists. It is a radical wing of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), created in 1969 at the initiative of the Turkish politician Alparslan Turkes. Adheres to the ideology of pan-Turkism (consolidation of the Turkic Muslim peoples) and neo-fascism.

The execution of our pilot SU 24 is on the conscience of these geeks!

[AlOrg]

Actually, Chemezov personally promised VV Putin at the meeting that Okhotnik would go into production from 2023. So again they didn’t meet the deadlines, or sabotage subversive work is underway on the part of Rostec

[Konnick]

Actually, Chemezov personally at the meeting promised VV Putin that the Hunter would go into production from 2023.

You never know what he promised. A similar story. The management so persuades me to speed up the development, like they have already reported the deadlines to the top, and I answer them like "did they ask me?"
All this has already been played out on the example of tractors. Replace tractors with UAVs and everything will grow together. Very relevant.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Konnick

Little did he promise. Similar story.

Similar, you say?

Quote: Konnick

Replace tractors with UAVs and everything will grow together. Very relevant.

It is very important for the production of ANY product, product, product.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to think up easier and more clearly!

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Well, it will go into series, after that you need to build them, conduct summer tests, go through military acceptance and only then transfer them ... That is, if they go into series at 23, then before 24 they will not be handed over to the troops ... Although pre-production there are samples there, it seems that they said that even in the NWO zone they tried to use them.

[Sergey Dvornikov]

This diversionary policy in our country from the very top since 1991 is simply cleverly veiled! Repainted maize plants - here's a VKS! He gave free apartments and high pensions to military pensioners - here you have the best army in the world! But in reality, on what we fought in the first Chechen war, we are now at war with Ukraine!

[Zaurbek]

Well, in the Russian Federation there is a big advantage in terms of the serialization of turbojet engines and some kind of purely aircraft systems.
This, you see, is not enough.
The second part is also difficult, but the Turks have access to all Western components. The Russian Federation does not have it, we do everything ourselves.

[Trapp1st]

we do everything ourselves.

Is that what gray and parallel imports are called now?)

[Zaurbek]

The Turks receive ready-made OLS-type systems at Bayraktar .... and the Russian Federation also needs to assemble the OLS themselves or from completely their own, or introduce something illegally and then assemble it. There is a difference? Make the same optics for the thermal imager. And the Turks get ready-made solutions on the market. They buy licenses, they master something, but they don’t.

[point]

... why don't they complete their Altai with such wide access, bro? Sultanych is excellent at PR. Everything that will now be in the media space about Turkey will be published for the sake of the elections in May. This does not mean that Anka is not designed, but the smart one will understand. Explain to yourself why they want engines from Ukraine and not from Albion for their helicopter tanks.

[Sergey Dvornikov]

That is, we do not do it ourselves - not what! Just trying to buy in China with gray schemes!

[Azerbaijan2023]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

And, here's what the Turks will succeed, somehow believe.

The Turks have an Israeli school. They are still developing and creating something together to this day. I have no doubts that Turkey will create something. And about the Hunter, I saw how he flies together with the Su-57, both are beautiful cars. A beautiful car should fly beautifully. Of this I have no doubt. The issue is the stuffing. I believe that Hunter and Drying will be brought to mind.

[stelltok]

The Turks have an Israeli school. They are still developing and creating something together to this day. I have no doubt that Turkey will create something

All Turkish UAVs consist of imported components.
It would be better if the Turks created an aircraft to extinguish fires.

[Letun]

Quote from stelltok

It would be better if the Turks created an aircraft to extinguish fires.

I am sure that it is better for the Turks, the Turks understand without yours, without any sarcasm wise advice

[point]

Gee, they understand, only part of their Wishlist is in the hands of Allah, which is not quite the same as the state plan. And even the state plan for 25 years ahead they will not be able to afford in the globalist paradigm. More precisely, they even know how to plan, but the British know how to do it better.

[Zaurbek]

Turks are handsome for their level. Invest in yourself and develop competencies.

[Gnefredov]

To equip the ships of projects 23900 (built in Kerch), at least a small series (ten pieces) of S-70 will be needed. And as for "mass production", it depends on how much is considered mass for this class of aircraft. UAVs "Anka-3" will not be made like donuts, the goods are expensive, and therefore piece. In addition, the take-off weight of the S-70 is 25 tons and it can be a stretch to compare it with more than three times the smaller Anka (this is like comparing the TU-22M3 with the SU-24).

[cold wind]

Quote: Gnefredov

To equip ships of projects 23900 (under construction in Kerch), at least a small series (ten pieces) of S-70 will be needed

To launch the S-70, you need a full-fledged aircraft carrier. It is the size of a Su-57.

[Gnefredov]

To launch the S-70, you need a full-fledged aircraft carrier. It is the size of a Su-57.

Or a helicopter carrier of the first rank, which is project 23900. Learn the materiel

[cold wind]

Quote: Gnefredov

To launch the S-70, you need a full-fledged aircraft carrier. It is the size of a Su-57.

Or a helicopter carrier of the first rank, which is project 23900. Learn the materiel

Will a Su-27/57 take off from a helicopter carrier?

[Gnefredov]

Will a Su-27/57 take off from a helicopter carrier?

Do not know those 216 meters of deck that 23900 will probably not be enough for the SU-57, but with a minimum of fuel and with the help of a strong word, everything can work out. Still, the takeoff weight of 20 tons (one and a half tons of fuel on board) and 30,6 tons with full refueling (when 330 meters of runway is required) is a significant difference. I don’t know the height of the deck of the helicopter carrier (as well as the speed of the SU-57 takeoff), but I note that every second in the air after the end of the deck during takeoff is equivalent to an additional run along the GDP by about 60-70-80 meters - though in our case with a decrease to the water surface - but there at the very bottom, the screen effect also comes with its additional lift (which is better not to count on). So you can calculate accurately and answer the question whether it will take off / not take off without problems if you have the initial data for the calculation. Why are you interested?

[Gnefredov]

UPD. Like a true "land crab" I slow down :)

those 216 meters of deck that 23900 will probably not be enough for the SU-57

Oh. It is necessary to add another 40 km.h (full 22 knots) of the helicopter carrier's own speed to the takeoff speed of the conditional SU-57, and there may also be a headwind speed. So the answer to your question is:

Will a Su-27/57 take off from a helicopter carrier?

the answer is yes - it will take off and make another circle over the ship

PS In the end, Ruben Yesayan lifted the TU-154 from Izhma using a little more than 800 meters of the runway for takeoff and it was a mathematically calculated takeoff.

[Consultant]

Quote: Gnefredov

add the helicopter carrier's own speed to the takeoff speed of the conventional SU-57, and there may also be a headwind speed.

Still, speed is added not from a headwind, but from a tailwind.

[TermNachTer]

Somehow I don’t really believe it))) I need an engine that the Turks don’t have. They ordered AI-222 for Motor Sich. The only question is - how long will the "Motor" live?

[Novichek]

Well, why is everyone so fussed all at once? Well m? lo whether they fantasized there,? they say he will have this and that, and the technology of invisibility, etc. Yes, there is no "ideal" technology of invisibility, there are always weaknesses, but the Turks, right now, they will take it directly and "put on a hat of invisibility" and "no problem!" . yes, the whole article is just a collection of wishes, everything is in the future tense, typical wet dreams, and there is simply nothing to discuss, in fact

[cold wind]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

Does anyone believe that our hunter will be mass-produced in the near future? Are there prerequisites for this? And, here's what the Turks will succeed, somehow believe.

The size and maximum takeoff as a normal takeoff for the Su-57. The price tag will be like that of a 4th generation fighter. The S-70 is a huge expensive drone that can only serve as a bomber or reconnaissance aircraft. Conceptually, this is a failure. It is more efficient to buy a normal multifunctional fighter. Therefore, Dassault nEUROn, BAE Systems Taranis, Northrop Grumman X-47B, Boeing X-45, etc. did not go into production.
Anka 3 is slightly larger than MiG-17. It can turn out to be a massive UAV that is not a pity to lose, but sufficient to perform reconnaissance tasks and strike the WTO. Accordingly, the probability of launching in a series is many times higher.

[Nickelium]

The Turks who had an earthquake? Oh well.

[War Lord]

represented by Erdogan himself, who said that Anka-3 is a new generation project that will raise the capabilities of unmanned aerial vehicles to a higher level.

Our Anka-1 was better and broke through any enemy defenses with its machine gun!

[Andy_nsk]

Our Anka-1 was better and broke through any enemy defenses with its machine gun!

Now we need to build two types of UAVs:
1. For intelligence - "Petka"
2. Percussion "Vasily Ivanovich".

[Div Divich]

3. To break through the air defense "Anka machine gunner"!

[War Lord]

No, the anti-aircraft machine gun "Anka-machine-gunner" (there were anti-aircraft machine guns during the Second World War) against the sophisticated stealth Anka-3.

It will be like the Serbs in 1999 shot down an American F-117 from the ancient S-125 air defense system, and then apologized to the United States: "sorry, we didn't know that it was invisible"!

[Al manah]

It is good that we have friendship with Turkey, and Turkish partners do-it-yourself will not supply these drones to do-it-yourself.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

A very controversial conclusion. And where, in your opinion, can you test this hut in real combat conditions? Marketing rules.

[akropin]

Why immediately combat, they have their own S-400, which is quite suitable for testing.

[Azerbaijan2023]

Quote: Al Manah

It's good that we have friendship with Turkey

Despite the fact that Erdogan sometimes downloads like a carousel, but they will have elections, if others come, they will be 100 pounds 100 percent pro-Western.

[solar]

Bayraktars not only deliver, but also give for free.
And this Anka, with a Ukrainian engine, even more so.

[Gnefredov]

Anka-3 is a new generation project

Now, if the Anka-3 "flying wing" at the end of the march flight was divided into three independent aircraft - each of which went to solve its own task - this would really be a new generation project, and so we are witnessing the development of the previously known scheme. There are doubts that there may be something shockingly new in the presented architecture. Well, in general, yes, well done, they rustle and do not stand still.

[Galleon]

If he has an electronic warfare station and carries anti-radar missiles, this can be a serious threat. But how does he know when to shoot the heat traps?

[dmi.pris1]

According to the enemy radar radiation sensor. Or nothing if they shoot from MANPADS

[Galleon]

You didn't understand the question. The IR channel is passive, what does the irradiation sensor have to do with it? With this question, I really pointed out the weak point of this "starship". The pilot can detect the launch of the MANPADS from the ground, but the drone cannot. To do this, he needs a circular radar like traffic cops (just kidding).

[solar]

Or just a decent IR camera with all-round visibility, it's even more reliable than the pilot's eye.

[Foul skeptic]

Or nothing if they shoot with MANPADS

The IR sensors of the aircraft track the torches of anti-aircraft missiles, which are not guided by the radar principle (for example, IR seeker)

[AlexVas44]

The UAV, although an airplane, does not fly by itself, but is controlled by an operator, apparently, by analogy with a "normal" aircraft, and will "shoot back".

[Galleon]

The pilot's view and the operator's view are qualitatively different. Both selectivity and width. Let's see. At least if this gravitap appears on our front, the means of its destruction is clear.

[voyaka uh]

The operator sees better.
Modern optics see much better than the human eye.
And in all directions, and the result is reduced to one screen.

[solar]

Not to mention the fact that there can be two or three operators at the same time for observation - the only question is the availability of cameras and a communication channel.

[U-58]

The explosive nature of the development of drone technologies in Turkey-Irans (and not in America-Japan) and the noticeable stagnation in our country are striking and at the same time a matter of concern.
The situation does not fit in my head.
Why do "them" have such progress, but we don't understand what?

[donavi49]

1) They invested, as it is more profitable than a full-fledged MFI, while the output is even greater if you take an export pie and participate in conflicts without serious involvement. Well, the topic suddenly came up.
2) Iran. And there are no other options. They are just forced to look for an asymmetric response to the classic means of destruction. Not to fly on mock-ups and not on reincarnated F-5s - which they poorly produce with restyling and Chinese radar. Well, again, participation in conflicts under the sauce we are not there, what is your evidence?
3) America - cut off the market and industry to itself. Obtaining permission to acquire strike drones from the United States is almost impossible for even the most devoted allies. Even Poland could not buy. Their developments are seriously affected due to the lack of the possibility of exporting serious volumes. However, as the pioneers of the industry with the best school, as the owners of advanced technologies and opportunities, it is foolish to discount them.
4) Japan - so they only recently lifted the restrictions and either rented or bought a couple of SeaGuardians and one Reaper. Their developments will fit in layouts in a year or two.

In general, in all this, the bank was thwarted by China and Turkey. China has occupied all the niches that the Americans left with their self-isolation in the UAV trade. Well, Turkey got a bunch of orders for MALE, the money received and clear prospects allowed not only to develop MALE, but also to go further.

[-Igor-]

In conservatism.
Both we and the Americas have their own aircraft 4, 4+, 4++, etc. The effectiveness of something new still needs to be proven in the offices, and here they are, all the performance characteristics are on the face. Here we develop the classic.
Those who have to buy planes on the terms "today we will sell you, and tomorrow we'll see" (Turkey) or how Iran can only dream, have to get out. So they found a good way out: UAV

[point]

The IRGC is essentially a fusion of security forces and commerce, and for a long time. We can say that this is a state corporation with high competence in planning and implementing large-scale industrial projects, say, structural adjustment (started in the middle of the last century by Shah). Iran is an integral, ideologically saturated imperial civilization.
The Republic of Turkey also has an understanding of imperial geopolitics and owns state administration technologies of this level. Their outward projection is carried out purposefully and almost systematically, but the difference lies in the partners that both countries can afford. In applied terms, Iran can plan and is able to provide on its own. Turkey can plan but not on its own and will be helped to stay heated but unconsolidated.

[Butchcassidy]

You do not confuse the real state of affairs and PR. Traditionally, our PR lags behind the real state of affairs.

[bravo77]

Strange
the feeling that the Turks are fighting and they need more.

[Fizik13]

Will the engines be from a lawn mower or from a Canadian snowmobile, as in Bayraktar-2?

[Fizik13]

Question? Why a minus?
Indeed, in Turkey there are no competencies in the production of not only engines for aero ... but also tanks.
For their tank Altai MTU banned the engine, i.e. The Fritz forbade them to supply MTU engines.
Does Turkey have its own aircraft engines - piston, turboprop, turbofan, turbojet, ramjet.....?

[Diverter]

This Anka is much weaker than C 70. If they claim it weighs 7 tons. But in any case, it can turn out to be a harmful reptile.

[Azerbaijan2023]

Quote: Saboteur

This Anka is much weaker than C 70. If they claim it weighs 7 tons.

Iranian drones with an engine from a moped gave a lot of headaches for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the filling is primitive, the engine is from a moped, but massively if they attack, it is very dangerous. In the question of the Hunter, as I understand it, the emphasis will be on quality and not on quantity, and this will be the right decision, although the enemy also needs cheap drones for hemorrhoids.

[Alexander Manzhilevsky]

Judging by what is on the video, there are not 7 tons in any way. Maybe without fuel and weapons there will still be these 7 tons.
They already have "kizilem"

[bravo77]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

Does anyone believe that our hunter will be mass-produced in the near future? Are there prerequisites for this? And, here's what the Turks will succeed, somehow believe.

you still ask about the robot Fedor
and after all, many years ago they showed without hiding what is happening in the army in this direction
everyone laughed including the sawmills

[bravo77]

Quote from Fizik13

Will the engines be from a lawn mower or from a Canadian snowmobile, as in Bayraktar-2?

what is the meaning of the lift?
like you don’t need to develop anything, since they can’t do something themselves

[Armen Sologyan]

I am 100% sure that, at least in the 21st century, Russia will always have advanced military technologies, unless, of course, such Reference Citizens of Russia as Vladimir Putin and Sergei Shoigu are at the helm of power. Russia has already overtaken the NATO countries by at least 10 years. At the same time, he does not stop and will not give anyone a head start. For there to be Peace on planet Earth, the presence of Strong Russia is necessary.

[bravo77]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Why will the Turks produce it, but we don’t? Where does such a biased attitude come from? The S-70 Okhotnik has already flown together with the Su-57.

in the year 88 and Buran flew

[bravo77]

Quote: U-58

The explosive nature of the development of drone technologies in Turkey-Irans (and not in America-Japan) and the noticeable stagnation in our country are striking and at the same time a matter of concern.
The situation does not fit in my head.
Why do "them" have such progress, but we don't understand what?

they have progress from the fact that there is no nuclear loaf
and you have to rely on yourself
while others frightened with firewood and nuclear ashes
there was no incentive

[Rom8681]

China, also without a loaf.
Nothing seems to work

[Galleon]

Quote from Orange Bigg

https://rg.ru/2020/08/05/serijnoe-proizvodstvo-drona-ohotnik-nachnetsia-v-2024-godu.html

This news is 3 years old!

[Konnick]

thanks to the armament and its design, invisible to radar.

But thanks to the jet engine, it has a good thermal footprint.

[voyaka uh]

Not a fact.
The jet stream can be covered, it can be launched over the fuselage. And then it mixes with cold air and the heat disappears.
B-2 or F-22 has almost no heat signature

[Matyu games]

Its dimensions are interesting. I hope ours will finally complete the S-70

[I dare to_notice_]

Each Anka has its own Petka.

[Nikolaevich I]

"Flying wing" ... Well, well!
QR-170 (USA)

Approx. 4 tons ... TVD engine (Produced and Flies!)
"Shahed-171" Simurgh (Iran)

St. 3 tons ... TVD engine (Produced and Flies!)

[Beaver]

That it will break through there if it is visible for a hundred kilometers. And the earth will get such a MANPADS

[Butchcassidy]

Xs, which experts for the same class determine the 25-ton S-70 and the 7-ton Anka-3. Either there is an error in the text and we are talking about a combat load

[Boris Sapron]

And what should the Turks defend? One good underground explosion and Turkey peek-a-boo. Second China.

[bars042]

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