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Arabs and Jews: a conflict of civilizations

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Arabs and Jews: a conflict of civilizations

Recent events confirm the view that the conflict between Israel and the Arab world is one of the most serious and long-lasting conflicts in the whole world. stories. At the same time, it is obvious that a peaceful solution to this conflict is unlikely. The latest truce between Israel and the Hamas movement, which 21 concluded on November 2012, only confirms this view. Many civilians in the region accepted it with relief, but this is only a tactical move. The standoff will continue until a decisive victory of one of the parties. This fact is well characterized by cadres of triumphant Palestinian Arabs, who perceived the truce as a victory over the Jews they hated.

The essence of the conflict can be understood most fully if we take the concept of the “clash of civilizations” by Samuel Huntington as a basis. The goal of each opposing side is to seize the territory and liberate it from another civilization, peoples through physical destruction, exile and cultural assimilation. The conflicts that take place along the “fault lines” called Huntington can be called irregular phenomena: they can smolder for centuries, and then explode with actions of mass violence and big wars. "Great Depression-2" is a prerequisite for such an explosion.

We see the clash of Muslim and Judeo-Christian civilizations. Christians lost the battle in the Middle East during the times of the Byzantine Empire. Moreover, the defeat was so serious that the Muslims brought the Caucasus and the Balkan Peninsula under their control, the Turkish fleet and fortresses controlled the Black Sea and its coast. The Ottomans were making plans to seize Central Europe and penetrate the Middle Volga. Only the strengthening of Russia allowed the Christian world to oust the Ottomans from the Balkans and most of the Caucasus.

We are currently witnessing the recent enclaves and hotbeds of Christianity in the Middle East wither and disappear under the pressure of the Islamic world. The Arab unrest sharply intensified the process of de-Christianization of the Middle East. However, the state of Israel has become the path of the complete victory of Islam in the region. Judaism, with its principle “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” not only prevents destruction of Jewish statehood, but also helps to launch an offensive, which causes an explosion of hatred in the Islamic world. There is a clash of two tough ideologies - Islam and Judaism (with its secular continuation - Zionism).

It should be noted that despite the predominance of negativity towards Israel, which is common among Russian patriots, the Jewish state performs a very important function. Jews attract the attention of the Arab world, and those Arab passionaries who could lead a subversive war against European and Russian civilizations are occupied by Israel. It can be said that Israel is a kind of forward outpost that holds back the onslaught of the reawakening Islamic world. Given the current weakness of the countries of Europe and Russia affected by the virus of liberalism and tolerance, the presence of Israel in the military-strategic plan is a positive fact.

Although Jews belong to the Semitic language family, like Arabs, but culturally they are closer to the Indo-European group. Affect the centuries of living in Europe. As a result, the Jews in many ways mastered the production type of economy. If we analyze the modern economies of Israel and the countries of the Arab world, we will see that the Jewish state is one of the most developed countries in South-West Asia for economic, industrial and scientific development. The Jewish state is one of the leaders in the field of military technology, and they are traditionally the most advanced in the world.

The Arabs, to a large extent, remained “steppe inhabitants”, people of the appropriating type of economy. So, it is well known that in the oil monarchies they prefer to use the labor of millions of wage earners, rather than work themselves. And the economies of Arab countries are built on parasitism. The Arab authorities use the rich natural resources and beauty of nature, the legacy of previous civilizations, for the development of tourism, with no visible success in the field of high technologies. So, almost all weapons are foreign, like all high technologies. In the case of the fall of a centralized state, we will see how in just a few years the Arabs will return to a tribal, archaic way of life. We see a similar situation in Libya, where a completely secular, civilized society existed under the Gaddafi regime. Very little time has passed, and Libya returns to the times of clans and tribes, archaization is going fast.

The current global systemic crisis poses very difficult questions for Israel. The traditional system of foreign relations on the verge of collapse. If before everything was clear and simple enough: the USA is Israel’s ally, the Arab states supported by the USSR are enemies, but now the situation has changed dramatically. The United States is on the way to a radical restructuring, when all attention will be focused on domestic politics. The “perestroika” of the USA will come to the emergence of a power, which will be only one of the centers of power, having lost its superpower status. In the worst case scenario, the US will fall apart altogether. Israel is alone. Russia has ceased to be a donor of the Arab world. For a part of the Arab world — the monarchies of the Persian Gulf — we have become enemies. Various Arab structures support radical Muslims and ethnic separatists in Russia. In fact, Riyadh and Doha are waging war against Russia. They pursue the goal of dismembering Russia, the separation of "Muslim regions" from it. Russia and Israel are not satisfied with the process of building an aggressive “Great Caliphate”. This makes our powers potential allies. It is necessary to take into account the fact that about a third to a quarter of Jews are our former compatriots, carriers of Russian culture, the Russian language.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 23 November 2012 09: 01
    +9
    All their lives they fought there, they are at war and will be at war.
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 23 November 2012 09: 11
      +2
      like us in the Caucasus ..
      It is worth recognizing that how many wolves do not feed ..........
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 November 2012 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Vanek
      fight and will fight.

      Until they completely destroy each other, as in the prince and the rest of the world hi
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 23 November 2012 09: 18
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Until they completely destroy each other, as in the prince and the rest of the world

        Hi Sasha.
        And what is already destroyed, there are other goals and energy wars.

        1. Pimply
          Pimply 23 November 2012 12: 27
          -3
          The map is somewhat incorrect. It should then include Transjordan, which was originally supposed to be handed over to the Jews, and the Arab settlements in a separate color - they would turn out to be about the same as Jewish
          1. Shuhrat turani
            Shuhrat turani 23 November 2012 15: 12
            +9
            Quote: Pimply
            The map is somewhat incorrect. It should then include Transjordan, which was originally supposed to be handed over to the Jews, and the Arab settlements in a separate color - they would turn out to be about the same as Jewish


            THIS IS A NEW ZIONIST BIKE. TRANSIORDANIA INITIALLY POSITIONED AS SEPARATE FROM THE PALESTINE STATE ...
          2. Ruslan
            Ruslan 23 November 2012 21: 01
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            Map is somewhat wrong
            Patchy your forecast for the next three months?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 23 November 2012 21: 24
              +1
              Very much depends on the situation in Egypt, Ruslan. And in Syria. In fact, Hamas needed this war very much: they quarreled with Iran because of new sponsors (not completely, but very much), Islamic jihad scored points, Abas again climbed with the initiative to recognize, and the Arabs somehow looked at Syria . Hamas, in fact, managed to achieve almost all of its goals: give competitors a kick, remind sponsors of themselves, shift attention from Syria, etc.
              Oddly enough, Israel, in the absence of a ground operation, also managed to achieve most of the tasks - in any case, missiles are unlikely to hit in the near future, the LCD proved to be excellent - the Koreans want to exchange for much-needed ships, and civilian casualties are orders of magnitude smaller, than before - even taking into account the fact that Hamas intelligence offices, for example, were in the same building as journalists.

              The main triumphant is the Egyptian president, he pressed, pressed, etc. I think that he is, in fact, a technical candidate for the Muslim Brotherhood, not really relying on them, sang with the military and got carte blanche from them. If you follow the events, then he has now issued a very tough law that gives him almost unlimited powers. There are unrest on Tahrir again, but I think there is every chance that he will first crush the opposition, and then, according to a good dictatorial tradition, his comrades-in-arms. And if he sang with the military, he has enough strength for it. But if not enough ... There are many, many options.

              Now the most interesting thing than convinced the spike Bibi-Liberman. Because for them such a mediocre way out of Gaza is almost suicide, because everyone understands that the ceasefire will not last long: Hamas is already trying its hand at provocations. Most likely, either Egypt promised to break the peace treaty, or the United States promised to support, in one way or another, the operation against Iran. Given the general situation, I think that and how, it will be clear in the very near future.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 23 November 2012 23: 51
                +7
                Quote: Pimply
                US promised to support - in one way or another - operation against Iran


                It is unlikely that Obama, as always, will say that it’s kind of unacceptable for missiles to fall on any state, praise the LCD and ask Congress to give additional money for improving missile defense elements. That is, simply put, sit under the Dome and do not rock the boat, everything else is our business.
                Obviously, without Iran, Syria, Hamas, any initiatives in the Middle East are doomed to failure. Today the axis of Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas represents a serious force. This axis arose largely due to the policy of the Bush administration, which pursued a typical Anglo-Saxon policy of "divide and conquer" This was expressed in arming potential opponents with weapons (worth billions of US dollars), violent overthrow of unwanted regimes, support for separatist movements in certain countries - in general, maintenance policy "Controlled chaos" which, according to some American political scientists, is the best means of control.
                Hussein was defeated, the Arabs were scared - but Iran rose, constructing a dangerous axis for the USA and Israel with Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine.
                So Obama’s task today is to disassemble this axis, try to dismantle it in parts. Agree and propose an alternative solution to problematic issues. For this I needed the peacemaking appearance of the new president, personifying America "with a human face."
                Obama's Position on Israel
                My webpage

                Well, I found confirmation
                US President Barack Obama promised Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to get additional funding from Congress for the Iron Dome missile defense system and joint US-Israeli missile defense programs

                My webpage
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 24 November 2012 00: 06
                  0
                  If it was just a matter of additional financing, no one would have gone for it, and so a lot of money was allocated for it in a separate article. This is the outer part. The congress is republican, and there it has very serious significance. The fact that Obama came to power is also important, but he has a very strong counterbalance

                  Everything is somewhat more serious there.
                  1. Ruslan
                    Ruslan 24 November 2012 00: 52
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    If it were just additional financing,
                    Agree that the President of Egypt, and even in Libya, will now have to solve the main problem - where to get the crowds of hungry fanatics, the more so that, not without the help of the West, they have now flooded northern Africa and the Middle East with weapons. And then they will have one decision to throw them all into Israel, having started a protracted war. Obama now (until the regimes in Jordan have changed Syria and Saudi Arabia, this is not profitable) and therefore put pressure on the BI BI. Khamaz also understands this and wants to transfer cash flows from Syria to itself.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 24 November 2012 02: 10
                      -3
                      In Libya, the problems are much smaller, there are serious oil reserves, and the situation is not as critical as in Egypt: the country is relatively rich, the main problem was that money was poured only in certain areas - that was why there was an uprising. This yes tyranny - these are the main reasons for the Libyan revolution.
                      Egypt is poor. There are some serious internal forces and divisions there. There are Copts who are pinched to the maximum. There are Salafists who are even more radical than the "Muslim brothers", and for whom - 20% of the country. There are military men.

                      Egypt may, and would like to throw crowds at Israel, but is afraid - there is a chance to lose Sinai again. Because the current war for Gaza has shown that from a military point of view, Israel can roll out any neighbor if there is a full-scale war: the accuracy of strikes, the use of ultra-modern weapons, the fleet has shown itself well.

                      Bibi - he is not BI BI, namely, Bibi. Nickname, army. Or maybe school.

                      Well, about the regimes in Saudi Arabia and Jordan - the United States is praying that they will not change. In Jordan, radical Islamists will come to power. And in the SA - Wahhabis. The states liked the change of only two regimes - Libyan and Syrian (almost a solved option). With the rest they had to get out, jump on the bandwagon, and then climb forward, like, we thought of that. And in Libya with Syria, they are only the second violin, although they are trying to show that the first
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 02: 28
                        +4
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Well, about the regimes in Saudi Arabia and Jordan - the United States is praying that they will not change. In Jordan, radical Islamists will come to power. And in the SA - Wahhabis. The states liked the change of only two regimes - Libyan and Syrian (almost a solved option). With the rest they had to get out, jump on the bandwagon, and then climb forward, like, we thought of that. And in Libya with Syria, they are only the second violin, although they are trying to show that the first


                        This again proves only that Obama is trying to fix what Bush (or his advisers) has done with controlled chaos, as you say, jumping on the bandwagon of departing trains. The goal of US policy towards Israel and the Middle East has not changed, just Obama (or those who stand behind him) decided to solve this problem other methods, i.e. to crush gradually in parts. and preferably with the wrong hands, remaining in the shade in the guise of peacekeepers or arbitrators. And in this regard, the issue of Syria has not yet been resolved; it is not necessary to start another hotbed of tension in Gaza. Therefore, they slowed down the ground operation in Gaza.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 24 November 2012 02: 47
                        0
                        Everything is much simpler.
        2. Syric30
          Syric30 23 November 2012 12: 32
          0
          An interesting map, thanks only to add maps of the ancient world (before the death of the Israeli state) and attach to every Arab on his forehead. Used the land. Enough.
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 23 November 2012 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: Syric30

            The map is somewhat incorrect.

            Yesterday I drew it myself. wassat

            Quote: Syric30
            An interesting map, thanks only to add maps of the ancient world (before the death of the Israeli state)

            Like a flat frayed coin,
            The planet rested on three pillars.
            And burned smart scientists in the fires -
            Those who kept saying, "It's not about the whales."

            And this one will do?

            1. Cavas
              Cavas 23 November 2012 13: 44
              +4
              The state of Israel since its inception was an artificial state. It looks more like plastic dummies of fruits, which seem bright, beautiful, juicy. But, it’s worth picking them up, as you know, this is all fake.

              Also, modern Israel is a fake state, which also experiences constant pressure from the outside and from the inside. It is no secret that orthodox Jews living, including in Israel, hate this state and wish it dead.

              Everything is fictitious in Israel. The territory, or rather, some of its parts, which seemingly exist, but are not always obtained legally and therefore are not recognized by many countries. The army, which seems to be there, even seems quite effective, but oh, it doesn’t want to fight, and the soldiers are obsessed with sex. The Mossad intelligence service, about which they say that it is the most powerful in the world, but in fact it is a myth. There reigns terrifying corruption and carelessness, which we observed on the example of the elimination of Mahmoud al-Mabhuh in 2010, where agents appeared on surveillance cameras. An economy that would have collapsed a long time had it not been for the constant supply from the United States.

              Most likely, the Israeli leadership understands such artificiality and, in this regard, has long chosen the only correct strategy in this situation. The best defense is an attack. Therefore, Israel will always provoke its neighbors, and in case of an answer, declare that they want to destroy Israel. But this is all artificial.
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 November 2012 13: 47
                +1
                The army, which seems to be there, even seems quite effective, but oh, it doesn’t want to fight, and the soldiers are obsessed with sex.

                here from this place please in more detail laughing
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 23 November 2012 14: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  here from this place please in more detail

                  You know, those Jews who want to put their heads under bullets and do not want freebies (in this case, sex?)? laughing


                  1. Professor
                    Professor 23 November 2012 14: 49
                    -4
                    Again bullshit, but I thought there was something serious. request
                    1. Cavas
                      Cavas 23 November 2012 15: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Again bullshit, but I thought there was something serious.

                      When a Jew has nothing to answer, he always says that everything is bullshit, but you need to believe only him, well, in extreme cases, Uncle Ize! wassat

                      Female soldiers in the Israeli army are forced to accept the type of relationship that has already developed - hierarchical, domineering, aggressive. Sex with an officer or colleague gives a woman the opportunity to receive additional privileges, refusal from him - allows officers to resort to punishment under any pretext, and colleagues to "recoup" by humiliation. In most cases, co-workers do not resort to direct violence, but hints and touches with explicit sexual subtext are practiced that make women constantly feel like a potential target of sexual violence.
                      In addition to military uniforms, caps, boots and assault rifles, each recruit of the Israel Defense Forces receives a sex guide. It was not enlightening views that prompted the IDF to take such a step: abortions and treatment of various sexually transmitted diseases hit hard on the thinner budget of the Ministry of Defense. wassat
                      You object to this. comrade? (c) Balls.
                      1. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 16: 17
                        -2
                        Cavas,
                        Where do you get this nonsense from? Well, the scribe is full, not only in the army at work we weigh the so-called sexual harassment code in Russian Hebrew and Arabic, about sexual harassment, you try as in Russia. Dirty jokes or a hint of sex, I would like to see how much the judge used to give you, the same in the army, stop writing unbelievable !!!!!
                      2. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 16: 57
                        +6
                        Quote: igor67
                        Where do you get this nonsense from?

                        Allow is not my nonsense laughing This is the nonsense of your army. laughing
                        You are just like the Chinese, only one leaves at once, two appear and all mighty breast to defend "socialist property"! laughing
                        By the way, this guide has been issued since 2004! request
                      3. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 17: 08
                        0
                        Cavas,
                        Once again, the allowance is given in the army, it’s like a charter, at the factory where I work it is also mandatory and we are constantly instructed so that it doesn’t happen if I tell a woman that she has a good ass at best, they will fire me in the worst court, there’s also garbage in the army, all the same, of course, there are cases of sexual harassment. But it is very rare
                      4. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 19: 20
                        0
                        Quote: igor67
                        anyway, of course there are cases of sex harassment. But it is very rare

                        Let me finish and that's it .. stop
                        Despite the fact that, according to statistics, 20% of soldiers are absolutely sure that children are found in cabbage, annually approximately 700 female servicemen have an unwanted pregnancy. The army is about to declare war on both extremes and teach its soldiers the art of love.

                        Each recruit at the beginning of military service is given an “Israeli guide to growing up,” which covers topics such as protection, pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and more.

                        The book has a chapter explaining why you should not engage in early sexual relations, a chapter on the great responsibility that lies with couples who have sex, and even a lot of information useful for soldiers.

                        According to the press service of the IDF, now the directory is being finalized. Whether practical classes will also be held is not reported.
                        MIGnews

                        Now you see that I am not the author of either the article or the guide !? laughing
                      5. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 20: 04
                        -4
                        Cavas,
                        So I’m talking about that, they give guidance and get pregnant, so that they would get married and stop serving, although this is a violation of the law, they give the soldiers disgusting rudiments for this. And now an example: if you had introduced urgent service in Russia milking girls, only honestly how many would be pregnant, and cases of sexual harassment?
                      6. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 20: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: igor67
                        if only Russia introduced emergency service for milking girls, only honestly how many pregnant women were there, and cases of sexual harassment?

                        But you don’t touch the Russian army, we wanted to have girls (we have no tires for him), I made a harem, but I didn’t put the whole country under arms, unlike your generals, he’s so far away from them! laughing
                        And guess and guess - "now, if only, if only" is not a gratifying thing! laughing
                      7. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 21: 14
                        -4
                        Cavas,
                        Lyk, and I’m talking about something, the new one is a beautiful helper, God forbid, he will sue laughing But minus?
                      8. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 21: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: igor67
                        But minus?

                        Minus did not set, definitely! request
                      9. Rumata
                        Rumata 23 November 2012 16: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Cavas
                        In addition to military uniforms, caps, boots and assault rifles, every recruit of the IDF receives a sex guide

                        Another Kama Sutra. And at each military base there is a hall for orgies
                      10. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 16: 45
                        -1
                        Rumata,
                        Guys inflating dolls laughing and girls dildos wassat
                      11. Professor
                        Professor 23 November 2012 18: 20
                        -2
                        Guys inflating dolls and girls dildos

                        Of course, you excuse me, but you do not understand anything about this. Guess why in Merkava the anus? wink
                      12. Rumata
                        Rumata 23 November 2012 18: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Of course, you excuse me, but you do not understand anything about this. Guess why in Merkava the anus?

                        In Ahzarit, the operator’s position of the side mag-rafael was created for sekas, here are the designers perverts.
                      13. Professor
                        Professor 23 November 2012 18: 49
                        +3
                        In Ahzarit, the operator’s position of the side mag-rafael was created for sekas, here are the designers perverts.

                        A remotely controlled turret? Explicitly for a gangbang. wassat
                      14. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 38
                        -1
                        One hundred pounds, professor, one hundred pounds.
                      15. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 21: 16
                        0
                        Pimply,
                        Guys so our armored vehicles are the sexiest wassat
                      16. GG2012
                        GG2012 23 November 2012 23: 43
                        +4
                        Quote: igor67
                        Guys so our armored vehicles are the sexiest

                        Sexy?
                        Yes! Merkava is cool!
                        Well worth it! Sexually!!!
                        laughing laughing laughing
                      17. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 03: 01
                        +8
                        Quote: igor67
                        Guys so our armored vehicles are the sexiest
                      18. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 03: 03
                        +4
                        And rmia is the most jumping ..
                      19. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 03: 05
                        +7
                        unpretentious..were adopted by the Russian
                      20. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 03: 08
                        +5
                        intelligent ... leg size and visual acuity to a real warrior is not a hindrance
                      21. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 03: 11
                        +4
                        reading and religious. Preparation for political activities, the rabbi is very strict
                      22. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 03: 13
                        +4
                        the most tired. The soldier is sleeping, the service is on. SA traditions were not in vain
                      23. Konrad
                        Konrad 25 November 2012 21: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Ascetic

                        And rmia is the most jumping ..

                        Is it so weak for yourself? My grandson from the garage is so squealing, calmly!
                      24. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 24 November 2012 09: 53
                        +4
                        Quote: igor67
                        Guys so our armored vehicles are the sexiest


                        In the army, all the equipment is sexy .. it’s not in vain that the soldiers receiving service say that they commit homosexual acts with her in one word ... n ....
                      25. Professor
                        Professor 23 November 2012 18: 17
                        -3
                        soldiers are obsessed with sex.

                        1. did not know that you are Sharikov. hi
                        2. Well, where did you see here policeman obsessed with sex? it is only about sex education.
                      26. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 20: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        1. did not know that you are Sharikov.

                        By God, like a child laughing it remains for you to say this yourself, however you already said that!
                        And Alibek praised me, said to me that you can make an elephant out of a fly, and you won’t like to call names ... laughing ,
                        Casuistry is not your profile professor, leave it to Pimple. hi
                  2. igor67
                    igor67 23 November 2012 15: 55
                    +3
                    Cavas,
                    Well, there’s nothing wrong with sex, firstly, and secondly, under bullets: almost all reservists called up for war were indignant that there was no ground operation, that is, they were not allowed to go under bullets, and that’s more than 10 thousand, they wanted even more reservists, but they were not called up for the reservist service, and even former Russian soldiers to the battalions (the guys who passed Afghanistan and Chechnya) asked, agreed to patrol without weapons, you have old data about the Israelis (I write the Israelis, because both Jews and Russians and Ukrainians and Druze and Arabs Christians) everyone wants to defend the country
                    1. Cavas
                      Cavas 23 November 2012 17: 19
                      +3
                      Quote: igor67
                      virtually all reservists called up for war were outraged


                      Indignation knew no bounds!



                      And here is the guide ... laughing



                      And this is probably a simulator?



                      Hit the guy. laughing

                      1. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 17: 32
                        +1
                        Cavas,
                        Why these pictures, what do they have to do with the operation in Gaza? Kindergarten, I can put these pictures for you, I have a daughter half a year after I finished the service, and in the kitchen the same pictures
                      2. Rumata
                        Rumata 23 November 2012 18: 44
                        -4
                        Quote: igor67
                        Why these pictures, what do they have to do with the operation in Gaza? Kindergarten, I can put these pictures for you, I have a daughter half a year after I finished the service, and in the kitchen the same pictures

                        I do not understand you, after the message above, how can I seriously respond to him. Another troll
                      3. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 20: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I do not understand you, after the message above, how can I seriously respond to him. Another troll

                        Who will allow slander like that? laughing
                        The troll is a boy -You, and illiterate, and I have been on the site for more than a year and know Igor from my posts, and casuist Pupyrchaty, and the Professor and many more respected people, however, as well as they are me.
                        So if you do not understand, do not understand further! wassat
                      4. Rumata
                        Rumata 23 November 2012 21: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: Cavas
                        The troll is a boy -You, and illiterate, and I have been on the site for more than a year and know Igor from my posts, and casuist Pupyrchaty, and the Professor and many more respected people, however, as well as they are me.

                        All life was a success, there will be something to tell grandchildren. By the way, my first acc. successfully banned, I registered more than a year ago, so I don’t need to tell tales here, whom you know, how and where I met. What you are doing in this topic is ordinary trolling directed against certain individuals and I wonder how they do not see this and continue to feed you ...
                      5. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 23: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Rumata
                        All life was a success, there will be something to tell grandchildren.

                        And now your bragging"By the way, my first acc. Successfully banned, I registered more than a year ago, so I don't need to tell tales here, who do you know, how and where you met."
                        Well, and who are the granddaughters (if they survive of course), will the stories be poisoned ?! laughing
                        Quote: Rumata
                        What you are doing in this topic is ordinary trolling directed against certain individuals and I wonder how they do not see this and continue to feed you ...

                        Surprise further, the Jews when there are no answers or "bullshit, or a troll" - well, they have no other arguments! laughing
                        I already wrote, trust me, well, in the worst case, Uncle Ize is your favorite expression! wassat
                        In fact, nothing strange happens. Hamas confronts Israel as best it can, and here comes the moment of truth: Israeli attacks lead to the killing of Palestinian civilians as well. If Israel has a right to this, then Hamas may have the same right? In fact, neither Israel nor Hamas has such a right. This only means that the actions of both Israel and the Palestinians are equally criminal. If in the case of Hamas it’s just an organization, then in the case of Israel it is a state with criminal politics at the level of gangs organized on an ethnic basis. Israel doesn’t take this moment into account yet and of course it will have to pay both with money and with the image of the country, and of course with the lives of its citizens.
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 November 2012 21: 54
                        +1
                        Respected. There is no - in principle - war without victims. There are collateral losses when a certain number of civilians die, but the attacks are aimed at military targets, military infrastructure, and civilians die during the fact that there is no way to absolutely protect them. And there is deliberate striking at civilian targets, not just not condemned, but emphasized. Otherwise, there is no difference between the gangster and the guardian - both are killed. And the difference in goals and methods.
                      7. Konrad
                        Konrad 25 November 2012 21: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Pimply, and the Professor and many more respected people,


                        I see that they didn’t offend anyone, they didn’t write anything anti-Russian, but they are very active minus them. Is this from "feelings"?
                      8. Arkan
                        Arkan 26 November 2012 01: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Konrad
                        I see that they didn’t offend anyone, they didn’t write anything anti-Russian, but they are very active minus them. Is this from "feelings"?

                        Look at the posts of Jews a year ago - you will understand. Before the exacerbation of the situation with Iran, most of the former compatriots from Israel did not call Russia anything other than "Rashka", and how many so-called "trolls" from the Promised Land were on the site ... Now the tone of the statements has changed, the trolls have disappeared, but the negative impressions remained with the site visitors. Here, as they say - "Don't spit in the well, it will come in handy ..."
                      9. Rumata
                        Rumata 27 November 2012 04: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Arkan
                        Former compatriots from Israel, Russia was not called anything other than "Rashka", but how many so-called "trolls" from the Promised Land were on the site ... Now the tone of statements has changed, the trolls have disappeared, but the negative impressions of the site visitors remained.

                        Only here are the other trolls who srach any article with the words Israel, remained. They do not climb into their pockets for words, therefore either the most persistent or the most principled have remained here.
                      10. Konrad
                        Konrad 28 November 2012 08: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Arkan
                        Russia was not called anything other than "Rashka"

                        When here others are called pin.do.sami, paddling, pasta, japs, narrow-eyed, etc. etc. - this is normal ? What do you want to hear in response? Respect others, then they will respect you!
                      11. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 November 2012 21: 55
                        -2
                        It's funny And I didn’t pay much attention to you 8)
                      12. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 19: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: igor67
                        daughter half a year as she finished the service, and in the kitchen the same pictures

                        Taki it is clear where this fierce defense of the Tsakhal came from. stop
                        And here my son also told me fairy tales about the army (with his mother, of course) and about the hardships ...., but oh well, let’s leave this topic, everyone remained with his own! hi
                      13. igor67
                        igor67 23 November 2012 19: 19
                        0
                        Cavas,
                        And what about fairy tales? If it will be easier for you, her commander was also a woman, the daughter of a sergeant, three girls are subordinate, but in general, believe or not your right, in Ukraine they say: hh.o. so far ne pomace, ne povire!
                      14. Cavas
                        Cavas 23 November 2012 20: 15
                        0
                        Quote: igor67
                        And what about fairy tales?


                        laughing

                      15. baltika-18
                        baltika-18 23 November 2012 19: 31
                        +4
                        Quote: igor67
                        I have a daughter half a year after I finished the service, and in the kitchen the same pictures

                        I recently watched a clip about girls in the Israeli army. Why the girls are beautiful, they might have been specially chosen, but the impression is pleasant.
                      16. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 57
                        +2
                        In 1962, Italian directors Gualtiero Giacopetti, Franco Prosperi and Paolo Cavara shot another kitsch Mondo - a pseudo-documentary film "Women in the World".

                        (http://cult-cinema.ru/additional/articles/mondo_films/)

                        I warn you right away - 18 + wink

                      17. Uncle
                        Uncle 23 November 2012 22: 24
                        +1
                        A good movie, so what, that pseudo documentary. If in Russia they removed this and allowed aunts to serve, there would be a full house.
                      18. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 November 2012 22: 29
                        +2
                        not the word, it's peer 8)))
                      19. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 40
                        -2
                        Igor, understand, comrade is jealous. Appreciate it
              2. Rumata
                Rumata 23 November 2012 13: 52
                -1
                Thank you, neighing
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 40
                  -1
                  Listen, you're not the only one 8))
              3. mda
                mda 23 November 2012 16: 22
                +5
                Quote: Cavas
                The state of Israel since its inception was an artificial state. It looks more like plastic dummies of fruits, which seem bright, beautiful, juicy. But, it’s worth picking them up, as you know, this is all fake.

                Also, modern Israel is a fake state, which also experiences constant pressure from the outside and from the inside. It is no secret that orthodox Jews living, including in Israel, hate this state and wish it dead.

                Everything is fictitious in Israel. The territory, or rather, some of its parts, which seemingly exist, but are not always obtained legally and therefore are not recognized by many countries. The army, which seems to be there, even seems quite effective, but oh, it doesn’t want to fight, and the soldiers are obsessed with sex. The Mossad intelligence service, about which they say that it is the most powerful in the world, but in fact it is a myth. There reigns terrifying corruption and carelessness, which we observed on the example of the elimination of Mahmoud al-Mabhuh in 2010, where agents appeared on surveillance cameras. An economy that would have collapsed a long time had it not been for the constant supply from the United States.

                Most likely, the Israeli leadership understands such artificiality and, in this regard, has long chosen the only correct strategy in this situation. The best defense is an attack. Therefore, Israel will always provoke its neighbors, and in case of an answer, declare that they want to destroy Israel. But this is all artificial.

                Agree with you good
              4. Pimply
                Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 37
                -4
                Quote: Cavas

                The state of Israel since its inception was an artificial state.


                And about this, also a fun topic
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle 23 November 2012 22: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Pimply
                  And about this, also a fun topic

                  was it also artificial in pre-Christian times? That is, the great righteous of antiquity, revered by Christians, among others, lived in a non-existent state?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 23 November 2012 22: 30
                    -1
                    Yes, here I am. about the same 8)
              5. Yazov
                Yazov 24 November 2012 01: 01
                -2
                Cavas! And you yourself were in Israel? We saw how they live, who e ........ t? What nonsense about sex in the Israeli army? Did you serve in the Soviet army? Or in Russian? Yes, I personally dragged the girls on the sheets into the kapterka on the second floor and after that my combat effectiveness did not drop at all! As I recall, even increased. And what about sex and combat effectiveness? When they wrote, what did they think? Or is it so easy to blurt out?
                1. Konrad
                  Konrad 25 November 2012 21: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Yazov
                  Cavas! And you yourself were in Israel?

                  He was not nowhere, the usual anti-Semitic anti-Semite anti-Semite domestic bottling!
                  1. Cavas
                    Cavas 30 November 2012 01: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Konrad
                    He was not nowhere, the usual anti-Semitic anti-Semite anti-Semite domestic bottling!

                    You followed me! wassat

                    In the good, old, tsarist Russia, they repeatedly told me:

                    "How! You are a person with higher education and an anti-Semite!" This exclamation is very typical. Our intellectuals quite sincerely believed that "Jews are the same people as everyone else." They considered anti-Semites backward and uncultured, and anti-Semites as a prejudice unworthy of a developed person.

                    I hold the opposite view: it seems to me that an educated person cannot but be an anti-Semite.-F.M. DOSTOEVSKY
                2. Cavas
                  Cavas 30 November 2012 01: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: Yazov
                  And what about sex and combat effectiveness? When they wrote, what did they think? Or so easy to blurt out?

                  Well, all mixed in a bunch! laughing
                  You blur, moreover, because you read, sorry, somewhat inattentively! laughing
              6. commbatant
                commbatant 26 November 2012 00: 10
                +1
                I would, in place of the Jews, give Haifa on the Russian Navy’s naval base, and Tel Aviv’s international airport on the Russian Air Force’s 1st class airbase, not a single pa .... la would not sail and wouldn’t infiltrate Israel

                plus everything from Novorossiysk to Gaza (in transit through Damascus and Jerussalim), the pipeline would be laid by a "Middle East stream"

                everyone would have fought around, and we would have rowed lava, unfastening their small share to the transit countries, and Hamas, armed to the teeth with our teeth, would have protected this pipe .... (including in Israel)
            2. mda
              mda 28 December 2012 15: 07
              0
              Quote: Cavas
              Cavas

              Havas, guess what event happened today
          2. Arkan
            Arkan 23 November 2012 15: 01
            +8
            Quote: Syric30
            An interesting map, thanks only to add maps of the ancient world (before the death of the Israeli state) and attach to every Arab on his forehead

            Exactly - no. Jews are Jews, and Judea was a part of Ancient Israel only during the reign of David, the rest of the time Judea was an independent kingdom, often in conflict with neighbors, including Ancient Israel. The Jews simply appropriated a name for themselves " Israel "(with the same success the Finns can lay claim to the territory of Russia, in a couple of thousand years). If anyone should attach a map to their forehead, it is the Jews, and it is the map of ancient Judea (the territory that really belongs to them by historical law).
            1. Common sense
              Common sense 23 November 2012 23: 09
              -4
              Israel and Judea are both Russia and Muscovy. Two names of the same country at different historical stages.
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 24 November 2012 07: 13
                +1
                Quote: Common sense
                Israel and Judea are both Russia and Muscovy. Two names of the same country at different historical stages

                laughing laughing laughing
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 24 November 2012 12: 12
                  +2
                  I apologize, made a small inaccuracy. Judea became part of Israel under King Saul (the first and last king of the united state, put on the kingdom by the senior priest Samuel. Before that, he was a peasant from the tribe of Benjamin (the Israelites did not want to have a Jewish king)), after his separation from power and suicide, David was elected king from Judea by the same Samuel. Israel rejected the Jewish doctrine of the chosen people and went his own way. David failed to unite either the kingdom or the tribes: he only founded a dynasty that lasted another
                  government. Some sources claim that he still managed to extend the existence of the united state for another 33 years (however, this is not important on a historical scale, even if it is true). Whatever it was, Israel completely broke with Judea. of the ardent Zionists describes that period as follows: "These two countries had, in good and in bad, no more in common than
                  any two other countries with a common border. From time to time they fought
                  with each other, then reconciled and concluded contracts, but always remained
                  completely separate. Israelis have lost faith in any particular
                  mission, and under King Jeroboam Israel both politically and
                  religiously, completely broke with Judea. "
                  Joseph Kasteyn
                  Moving on to describing the Jews, Kastein writes: “They decided that they
                  predetermined to become a special race ... that their lifestyle should be
                  completely different from the people around them. The required distinction is not
                  even thought about merging them with neighbors. They wanted to be isolated
                  completely different from everyone else. "
                  In 731 B.C. Israel was conquered by Assyria and its inhabitants taken to
                  captivity. Judea was temporarily spared and existed for another century, as
                  a small vassal first of Assyria, then of Egypt, all the while remaining a stronghold
                  Levitical sect.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 24 November 2012 12: 45
                    -1
                    Arkan
                    Oh how? Those. if Israel and Judea were inhabited by different peoples, then the same can be said about the population of the Moscow and Ryazan Great principalities? Indeed, after the collapse of the Great Vladimir Principality, the population of these principalities lived in different states. An absurd interpretation? I agree. And your juggling is not absurd? In the Russian Federation there is a very serious science called hebraistics. Maybe you should read serious literature if you are interested in the topic, and not the literary fantasies of journalists?
                    1. Arkan
                      Arkan 24 November 2012 13: 33
                      +2
                      Aron Zaavi,
                      To YOU, the person who calls "ignorant" people who study history not from collections of myths and legends in the form of the Bible or the Torah (and the like), I repeat: All the quotes that I gave you are taken from the works of four Jews (including Zionists) and one I sometimes post quotes without pointing out the source, it just amuses me how Jews argue with themselves. And to read "serious literature" send JEWISH HISTORIAN, ZIONIST Joseph Kastein. He, however, has ceased to be alive for many years, but you I believe in you. laughing
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 24 November 2012 13: 43
                        -3
                        Not. You did not quote from the writings of four Jews. You copied the texts of a person who cut quotes in a format convenient for him. Have you read anything from this? 8)
                      2. Arkan
                        Arkan 24 November 2012 13: 57
                        +2
                        Pimply,
                        Give me the address - I will send you a book by Castain, read at your leisure. I did not find any inaccuracies in Douglas Reed's links (neither to Casteynaya nor to other sources), but stupidly press the keyboard to me lazily. However - what does it change?
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 24 November 2012 15: 18
                        -2
                        I recommend you, before quoting quotes, quotes - read the originals
                      4. Arkan
                        Arkan 24 November 2012 15: 43
                        +1
                        laughing laughing Pimply,
                        The second time I ask: what about your perception of the text? I shout to you: GIVE THE ADDRESS - I WILL SEND YOU A BOOK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you find at least one word that I distorted by quoting a JEWISH HISTORIAN - show me and all the visitors of this site. If "NO" --- LOST, I have nothing to talk to you about.
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 24 November 2012 18: 15
                        -1
                        I repeat, in order to understand, one must read the whole thing. Are you able to read only what others pulled?
                      6. Arkan
                        Arkan 24 November 2012 18: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        I repeat, in order to understand, one must read the whole thing. Are you able to read only what others pulled?

                        laughing laughing laughing
          3. Shuhrat turani
            Shuhrat turani 23 November 2012 15: 10
            0
            Quote: Syric30
            An interesting map, thanks only to add maps of the ancient world (before the death of the Israeli state) and attach to every Arab on his forehead. Used the land. Enough.


            IN THIS CASE, UKRAINE CAN BE SEPARATED BETWEEN RUSSIA POLAND AND TURKEY, AND EACH ANY CARD TO BE ATTACHED TO EVERYONE. PLAYED IN THE STATE. ENOUGH
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 23 November 2012 15: 22
              +4
              Quote: Shuhrat Turani
              PLAYED IN THE STATE. ENOUGH

              I agree! I still told everyone in the 90th that it would be stupid to separate from Siberia, but no one listened to me laughing Yes, and in Russia itself, the mood then was not the same as it is now - Yeltsin gathered more than three hundred thousand Russians for his rallies. And if we consider that at that time the protesters were not yet paid for "will" - we can safely conclude that the Yeltsin's idea "Russia's sovereignty and independence" was supported by a significant number of Russians.
            2. Uncle
              Uncle 23 November 2012 22: 28
              +2
              Quote: Shuhrat Turani
              UKRAINE SHARE BETWEEN RUSSIA POLAND

              No, Poland is part of Russia.
        3. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 23 November 2012 14: 24
          -4
          As for the map, if Jews owned 2.5% of the land, this does not mean that the remaining 97.5% belonged to the Arabs. Didn’t such a simple thought come to mind? The Negev desert, for example, occupies half of the territory. In 1917, there were only about 750 thousand people, now about 10 million and still full of uninhabited land.
      2. Ruslan
        Ruslan 23 November 2012 20: 25
        +4
        In most cases, my opinion of Israel was determined not by living ordinary Jews, but by elite, mafia-organized Jewish financial groups in the United States. It was under their policy that the extremist Zionist ideology was formed. Did they need peace with the Arabs? Of course not, for the world involves the industrialization of the Arab world and through it raising the social bar so that the Arabs work, feed their families and not go to work in the militants. U.S. industrialization in the Arab world is not profitable because then they will invest oil in their economy and sell the product rather than raw materials, so that this does not happen and extremist Israel is needed in order to hammer the Arabs and Persians into the Stone Age and there is nothing personal here just for business. Today, circumstances have changed and the Arabs have become more necessary for the West than Israel, for China has become the economic rival of the United States, which they will wet with the wrong hands., Well, Israel will pay for its short-sighted policy of sticking to American ethyls - it will merge like Gaddafi.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 23 November 2012 09: 23
      +4
      Quote:.
      the conflict between Israel and the Arab world is one of the most serious and lasting conflicts


      Before Muhammad, Jews and Arabs seemed to be friends, but the fact that the Jews and Arabs were constantly incessantly obsessed with each other by blurred Albion is a fact

      in 1917, official London adopted the Balfour Declaration, according to which the Jewish people were entrusted with the right to create a “national center” in Palestine. However, when, after World War I, Britain received a mandate for Palestine, which marked the end of the 400-year rule of the Ottoman Empire in the region, the British began to provide increasing support to the Arabs. The first British High Commissioner in Palestine, Herbert Samuel, in 1922 approved the creation of Transjordan, and this new country was not supposed to become part of the Jewish state. The actual division of territories took place in 1928. As a result, a significant portion of the Promised Land indicated in the Bible was cut off and given to the Arabs.
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 November 2012 12: 14
      +7
      Quote: Vanek
      All their lives they fought there, they are at war and will be at war.

      Well, let's put it loudly. Since 1948, on May 14, the formation of the state of Israel was proclaimed, the next day the Israel-Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Transjordan war broke out. Israel is an artificial creation. So what in the place of present-day Israel was Hebrew archaeologists couldn’t prove such settlements. They were guided by the bible texts when creating, and as it is not regrettable, they are more literary than scientific.
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 November 2012 12: 22
        -8
        The fact that in the place of modern Israel ever existed Hebrew settlements, archaeologists could not prove it.

        The main thing is to say stupidity louder and more confident, then some may think that "there is something in this." fool
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 23 November 2012 12: 31
          -6
          It's a funny thing in general, especially when in Shilo (Siloah) just in the gardens these fragments of the past are found - traditionally on "shalosh regalim" was to break earthenware, so the fragments will climb out. Settlements have not been proven 8))
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 23 November 2012 12: 56
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            especially when in Shiloh (Siloah) just in the gardens these fragments of the past are found

            There are plenty of fragments of the past in our lives. Zionist aspirations, for example, of some representatives of the "God's chosen nation"?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 42
              -3
              Are they bothering you like that? Drink some water, it will pass
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 23 November 2012 12: 52
          +7
          Quote: Professor
          The main thing is to say stupidity louder and more confident,

          What do you think? Zionists can, but we can’t? Beat the enemy with his weapons is much more pleasant and profitable than their own. Is not it?
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 06
            -1
            Quote: baltika-18
            Beat the enemy with his weapons is much nicer

            good The main thing, Nikolai, is that THEM has nothing to fight back with! And notice how the "chosen of God" began to scramble together. I have already said something and will repeat:
            WEBSITE HOLOCAUST BEGIN !!! Hold on, Zionists !!! angry
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 44
              -5
              Quote: Fox 070
              WEBSITE HOLOCAUST BEGIN !!! Hold on, Zionists !!!

              Oh, Hitler’s heir, we’re so scared! Are they afraid to fall?
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 23 November 2012 20: 47
                +4
                Quote: Pimply
                Oh, Hitler’s heir, we’re so scared! Are they afraid to fall?

                Hitler's heir is Zionism and you, as an ardent follower of this Nazi ideology.
                And about "to fall, be afraid", you have already fallen - there is nowhere below. That is why your cries all over the sites "Help, we are good, we are fighting at the very edge and defending Russia ...". And similar nonsense on all sites. And you are screaming because you are afraid.
                So it's too late to ask. The fact has already happened ...
                I repeat STARTED... good
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 November 2012 21: 26
                  -2
                  It's funny, but what is Zionism-the successor of the ideas of the main killer of Jews, tell me, dear Hitler lover? 8)
                  1. GG2012
                    GG2012 24 November 2012 00: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Tell me, dear Hitler lover? 8)

                    But why not love him ?! He’s such a darling, a charm !!!
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 25 November 2012 21: 45
                      +6
                      Quote: GG2012
                      But why not love him ?! He’s such a darling, a charm !!!

                      Yes, the joke is still one. My friend’s daughter met a guy and everything was already getting married, his last name was Hitler. A friend was the object of incessant jabbing on the part of Russian-speaking colleagues, from the proposal to change (a friend's) surname to Stalin and declare war on his future brother-in-law, to search Bormanov’s relatives (the same, in general, not a single Jewish surname)
                      It's very simple, in the whole world (and Israel is the same), the name Hitler is read as Hitler (and this is actually so, because it is written Hitler) But you won’t erase words from the song, as they say.
                      One Jew calls another:
                      - Izya, after you and my wife left us, my wife found that we had lost golden spoons.
                      So you don’t go to visit us anymore.
                      - Abram, I didn’t take spoons, so my wife swears that she didn’t take, you better look.
                      “It's not about spoons, Izya.” Spoons were found, but the sediment remained.

                      It’s not a surname, the sediment remains laughing
        3. Arkan
          Arkan 23 November 2012 15: 51
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          The main thing is to say stupidity louder and more confident, then it may seem to some that "there is something in this"

          Professor, I somehow posted to your compatriot under the nickname "Aron Zawi" excerpts from the British and Jewish Encyclopedias, as well as quotes from some Jews (including the Zionist Joseph Kastein) - were they all fools?
        4. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 00
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          The main thing is to say stupidity louder and more confident, then some may think that "there is something in this."

          Professor, have you started to reveal your professional secrets? Bravo!!! That's what I see that your posts are full of loud-voiced "cleverness". laughing
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 46
            -4
            He said a wonderful man, a beacon and a genius of our time, every word of which is a pearl. So let us applaud him, an ardent fan of Hitler, a lover of starting the Holocaust. Bravo! BIS!
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 23 November 2012 20: 57
              +7
              Quote: Pimply
              the genius of our time

              No, well, we have a genius! It is enough to visit your blog and read your opus, in order to doubt the degree of adequacy of their author.
              1. Cavas
                Cavas 23 November 2012 21: 02
                +6
                Quote: Fox 070
                No, well, we have a genius! It is enough to visit your blog and read your opus, in order to doubt the degree of adequacy of their author.

                No wonder I once asked you to put the correct avatar, oh no wonder! good hi
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 23 November 2012 21: 27
                -7
                Thanks, I'm moved. But I do not really like Hitler, unlike you
            2. Beck
              Beck 24 November 2012 11: 50
              +2
              The article is somehow inadequate, in my opinion. With a capital letter they wrote - Clash of civilizations. Yes there is no collision.

              There is a fight. One side to destroy. The other side is for survival.

              In 1948 the states of Jordan were formed, Lebanon, Syria, Israel was recreated after 2000 years, the creation of Arab Palestine was implied. The Jews were glad that they were recreated, although at least half the historical lands. The Arabs, who came to the lands of Palestine in the 8th century, were DISAPPOINTED, they wanted all the lands. And proclaimed the slogan - ISRAEL TO DESTROY. JEWS Drown in the Sea.

              In 1948, about 40 million Arabs attacked about 2 million Jews. The Jews did not want a second Holocaust - they survived and won. Jews put forward the slogan - DO NOT TOUCH US AND DO NOT GET. The Arabs laughed and gasped. In 1967, the Arab armies of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan attacked Israel and got some on the head, some on the teeth, some kick in the ass. In 1973, the armies of Egypt and Syria again attacked and again got on their necks. Unable to break Israel’s determination in life in an open battle on the battlefield and the courage of Jews, extremist Arabs began throwing stones around the corner - explosions of airplanes, buses with civilians, rocket launches on cities. When extremists begin to be pressed, they shout about aggression. When Israel, out of mercy, refuses ground operations, bouncers declare this their victory.

              Who did not allow 19 years to create a state of Palestine? Yes, the same Arabs. From 1948 to 1967, Gaza was under the occupation of Egypt, the West Bank under the occupation of Jordan. The Palestinian Arabs instead of sitting at the negotiating table, for lack of strength and courage, cowardly continue to throw stones around the corner.

              Iran. If Iranian officials didn’t threaten the destruction of Israel, then they would not be concerned about the Jews creating Iran’s nuclear weapons.

              DO NOT TOUCH US AND DO NOT GET.

              There is no clash of civilizations. There is a desire for Jews to live, and there is a desire for extremists to exterminate Jews.
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 24 November 2012 13: 12
                +3
                Beck,
                laughing Yeah, that’s exactly this version of the Western media that is friendly to Jews, and you try to get information from other independent sources (for example, in Chinese or Indian). of which the events in Deir Yassin were loud, you will learn that at the beginning of the last century, not every Jew was a Zionist, and the vast majority of Jews did not even think that Palestine was their land (only a small number of Zionists set themselves the goal of returning Judea) , you will also learn that England (for help in the struggle against the Ottoman Empire) promised the Jews a piece of land in Uganda. You will also learn that England (also for help in the fight against the Ottoman Empire) promised the Palestinians independence and their state (as you think - no one deceived anyone?) ... You can enumerate for a long time. And how do you like the fresh lies of Israel? During the armistice, kill the Palestinian leaders, get an answer in the form of des ёvy missiles, and then yell to the whole world that the Palestinians violated the truce? Tell me, do you like when you lie?
                1. Beck
                  Beck 24 November 2012 14: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: Arkan
                  Yeah, this is exactly the version that the Western media friendly to the Jews diligently support. And you try to get information from other independent sources


                  We all use one or another source of information. Normal people, through logic and analysis, weed out what they themselves think is untrue and inappropriate. As a result, my opinion appears. On the Middle East question, I gave up my opinion when there were two sources of information - the newspaper Pravda and TASS. But Soviet people learned to read between the lines.

                  Yes, I heard that before 1948 there were mutual frictions between the Jewish and Raab communities of then Palestine. But in 1948, Arabs, in droves, with blood, were expelled from the West Bank from 200 to 400 thousand Jews. Jewish Arabs from the lands of educated Israel were not expelled. They became full citizens of the state of Israel. And how many of their descendants are Israel now? 1,5 million.

                  Palestine at all times was not recognized as some kind of state entity. This was the name of the geographical area. But Jews have lived on this land since ancient times and they had the state of Israel here, and Judea was here.

                  States in the Middle East in 1948 did not arise because they defeated the Ottoman Empire, by then there was no empire. But because the world has come to understand that colonialism is bad and other nations cannot be oppressed. England and France voluntarily abandoned Bl. East. Who initially did not allow the Arabs of the West Bank to create their own state, I wrote above.

                  And why it is impossible to destroy the extremist who planned and is planning terrorist acts. He that thought with impunity to kill other people's children without caring for his own, substituting for a retaliatory strike. If there was my will and opportunity, I would also kill Hitler, Bokassa, Pol-Pot.
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 24 November 2012 15: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: Beck
                    If there was my will and opportunity, I would also kill Hitler, Bokassa, Pol-Pot

                    So when you add Jewish terrorists to this list, who, according to the good old Jewish tradition, become leaders of Israel and not prisoners or blind men, you can say that you are objective, and so No. Success to you, and well-being.
              2. axmed05
                axmed05 25 November 2012 15: 51
                +3
                Quote: Beck
                DO NOT TOUCH US AND DO NOT GET.
                There is no clash of civilizations. There is a desire for Jews to live, and there is a desire for extremists to exterminate Jews.
                Beck, you don't know Jews well if you think so (not all of them are bad). Watch the video and get to know them better.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 25 November 2012 20: 11
                  +5
                  Quote: axmed05
                  Beck, you don't know Jews well if you think so (not all of them are bad). Watch the video and get to know them better.


                  It so happened that I did not have Jewish friends.

                  Cruelty in clashes can be on both sides. War itself is a cruel thing. But there is a difference between a clash and explosions of civilian aircraft.

                  The principle of justice is important to me. In 1948, the states of the Middle East were created. It was necessary to be satisfied with what the UN highlighted. And that’s all. Jews were satisfied. Arabs are not and the first to attack. If they had not attacked, they would have developed and created their state Palestine. And the Arabs attacked constantly to destroy Israel. More details in my comments on this page.

                  I watched your video. What can I say? This is a propaganda video. Where under the guise of orthodox Judaism they want to put labels on the entire Jewish people. And in general, where have you seen an adequate orthodox religion. All the orthodox of the world stand each other. All orthodox have megalomania and their superiority. That of Judaism, that of Islam, that of Christianity. In this video, you can replace the verses of the Torah with verses of the Koran and then yell at all the Muslims of the world (See my comment below). But I make clear distinctions between the orthodox and just believers, and even more so unbelievers. And unbelievers are now the majority in the world. Not believers destroy the civilian population, but orthodoxes of any color. Because the dogmas of antiquity, created in the unenlightened world of the beginning of the beginnings, the orthodox want to apply in the 21st century. Century of enlightenment, science, knowledge. Therefore, their spells look so ridiculous.

                  For me it’s the same nonsense that a furious sheikh or a half-witted rabbi who has not read other books except the sacred ones smacks. And they do not reflect the worldview of all Arabs or all Jews.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 25 November 2012 20: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: Beck
                    For me it’s the same nonsense that a furious sheikh or a half-witted rabbi who has not read other books except the sacred ones smacks. And they do not reflect the worldview of all Arabs or all Jews.

                    It is a pity that it is impossible to put more than one plus. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  2. axmed05
                    axmed05 25 November 2012 21: 26
                    +2
                    Beck when I watched the video for some reason it seemed to me that they were talking there not about religion, but about the racial superiority of some over others.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 25 November 2012 22: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: axmed05
                      Beck when I watched the video for some reason it seemed to me that they were talking there not about religion, but about the racial superiority of some over others.


                      Clear. So who says - rabbi. And from the position of Orthodox Judaism. Now, if the Israeli Prime Minister had said such a thing, then it would be worthwhile to think hard.
                      1. Arkan
                        Arkan 26 November 2012 14: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Beck
                        Now, if the Prime Minister of Israel said this, then it would be worth thinking hard

                        But the Jewish terrorists and war criminals, in this position, didn’t make you want to think?
                  3. Arkan
                    Arkan 26 November 2012 03: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Beck
                    And in general, where have you seen an adequate orthodox religion. All the orthodox of the world stand each other. All orthodox have megalomania and their superiority. What is Judaism, what is Islam, what is Christianity

                    That's all you say correctly, but - what will be the reaction of the Jews if suddenly Orthodox priests begin to instill in their parishioners a similar schizophrenia (well, like: "Jews were born to be slaves ...")? laughing? You say the video is "propagandistic" - perhaps, but if it carries truthful information, then it is, moreover, an informational whoever the author is (Or we never have a democracy? laughing), Can you convict the author of a lie? Yes, and there is nothing wrong with the word "propaganda", the question is what they are propagandizing. This is what the rabbis propagandize is not to like everyone except the Jews, but why did you not offer the Jews to shut up their rabbis Why don't the Jews themselves do it (the Germans did not become Nazis by themselves, it all started with exactly the same propaganda)?
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 26 November 2012 10: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: Arkan
                      You did not offer the Jews to shut the mouth of their rabbis?


                      I already wrote, the orthodox of all stripes, they’ll whip everything. I just don’t listen to them. There is nothing human in their spells. And to shut up the mouth of the rabbis, this is the business of the Jews themselves, which is what I will tell them. Just as I will not tell the Arabs which of the sheikhs to shut up. In addition, most Jews have not listened to rabbis for a long time. If all Jews listened to the rabbis, then there would be no state of Israel built on a secular model.

                      I cannot convict the author of a lie. Since he interprets the rabbis. But the author presents the statement of the rabbis as universal truth. As proof that all Jews only want to destroy the world in which they live. The sacramental question of many times. Why do not like Jews? My answer. Because they are SMART. 90% of the Nobel laureates, more than half of billionaires, more than half of cultural figures are Jews. You look around you, who lives better, again the Jews. A second question arises - Why. My answer, however blasphemous it is. But because the Jewish fools died out. Extinct for 2000 years of persecution, pogroms, ruin, murder. Remained the most adapted to survival.

                      Last in the statement by the rabbis movie.

                      SURAH 28. Ayat 58.
                      Oh, how many villages we destroyed,
                      What proudly rejoiced in the abundance of their lives!
                      And their dwellings are semi-desert,
                      And We are the heirs (to everything they entertained).

                      SURAH 32. Ayat 13.
                      And if We wanted it,
                      We would lead every soul in a direct way,
                      But My word is invariable.
                      “I will fill Hell with people and genies - all together,

                      Sura 77. Ayat 16.
                      Really (for this evil) We did not ruin
                      The peoples of many past years?

                      Ayat 17.
                      After them
                      We will send the next generation.

                      Here is the same commentator-hater, in the video, how do you think how he can present these sacred lines. Yes, definitely negative. And he will put annihilating stigmas on all Muslim believers indiscriminately - Arabs, Indonesians, Iranians, Afghans, well, generally at all.
                      1. Arkan
                        Arkan 26 November 2012 13: 29
                        +4
                        Beck,
                        Well, enough has been said about who the Nobel Prizes are given, I don’t want to repeat myself. About “intelligence”: one thinker said - “Cunning is not a sign of intelligence, but an indicator of its absence,” I think he’s right. With cunning you can achieve some tactical success ( including in life) but in order to achieve stable success, something more is needed ... but with this the Jews (judging by their inability to get along with the environment) just have problems. Rinat Akhmetov is a Tatar, but I do not see a surge in Ukraine hatred of the Tatars (regardless of how the Ukrainians did not relate to Akhmetov himself), and on the contrary - as soon as the Ukrainian nationalists expressed their negative attitude towards the Jews - and this did not add to their votes in the elections (if something similar was expressed, to for example, Yanukovych - he would become the president of Ukraine for life laughing ) What do you think - why is this? The answer lies on the surface - after the "orange revolution" smart Jews actually got power in Ukraine and what came of it? And where is the unforgettable measure of Kiev - "Lenya Kosmos" now? Lies, double standards, and the desire to "get hold of" money at any cost - that's what causes them hatred. Jews (and you too), call to be selective (they say - not all of them), but are the Jews themselves selective? Hundreds of thousands of Arabs expelled from their homes without the right to return - were all without exception terrorists? However - this is all lyrics, you have not answered a completely direct question (as it is in a completely Jewish way) What will be the reaction of Jews if, suddenly, the spiritual leaders of secular Ukraine, or Russia, start anti-Jewish propaganda? And why should my reaction to the anti-human propaganda of the rabbis be any different? And I am interested in your reaction to such an event. For some reason, it seems to me that you will not console Jews like us (they say: "In the church, almost no one goes to church and priests listens " laughing )
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 26 November 2012 16: 25
                        -1
                        To the lasso. Ahmed.

                        What I wrote about the manner of communication to Ahmed also applies to you Arkan. I find it difficult to answer both of you in the limited space of the site. It turns out to you and me steeply and not consistently. I'll try to find another way.
                      3. axmed05
                        axmed05 26 November 2012 13: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Beck
                        Here is the same commentator-hater, in the video, how do you think how he can present these sacred lines. Yes, definitely negative. And he will put annihilating stigmas on all Muslim believers indiscriminately - Arabs, Indonesians, Iranians, Afghans, well, generally at all.
                        Neither will he say anything bad. Having read these Ayats, they will read the previous and next Ayats from the ones you cited. And the reader will speak not about racial differences, but about moral principles, about the punishments sent by the Almighty to those who propagate debauchery.
                        http://quran.ipamis.com/sura-28/51-60.html
                      4. Beck
                        Beck 26 November 2012 16: 07
                        -1
                        Ahmed.

                        I read before and after these ayats. And these are not moral principles, these words are for keeping a person in religion. And Islam is no exception. All religions use such methods. Generally. In all religions there is paradise - a carrot bait in religion. And there is hell - a whip of compulsion into religion.

                        But in general I am very impressed with the manner of your communication. Not only here and now, we discussed with you earlier. But I did not hear from you, as a believer, the expected harsh words. Your manner of respect. Although we do not agree on many parameters of modern life.
                      5. Arkan
                        Arkan 26 November 2012 13: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        Extinct over 2000 years of persecution

                        laughing And here you are not at all right, I can say with absolute certainty based on my personal experience of dealing with "especially smart" Jews in real life. laughing laughing laughing
                      6. Beck
                        Beck 26 November 2012 15: 57
                        +2
                        To the lasso.

                        Well, then I made a mistake, then there are Jewish fools.
                      7. Arkan
                        Arkan 26 November 2012 17: 20
                        +3
                        Beck,
                        Actually, it’s not a matter of the mind, but of a different system of values ​​and worldview of the environment formed since childhood (including spiritual leaders), and they (in turn) determine the line of behavior of a particular group of people.
                2. Karish
                  Karish 25 November 2012 21: 53
                  0
                  Famous person
                  David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950, Tulsa, Oklahoma) is an American politician and publicist.
                  Known as right nationalist, racist and Holocaust denier[1] [2] [3].
                  In the 1970s, he headed one of the branches of the Ku Klux Klan [4] [5].
                  Supports the ban on immigration, voluntary racial segregation. He is an anti-communist and traditionalist [13] [14] [15]. He is an active anti-Zionist, considers Zionism a political and social expression of Judaism [16].

                  You would have referred to Hitler. laughing
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 25 November 2012 22: 34
                    0
                    Karish.

                    If to me. I did not mean the announcer and his comments on the words of the rabbi.
                    And the announcer, for me, is the very man-hater and instigator of attavistic instincts based on animal prejudices.
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 25 November 2012 22: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: Beck
                      And the announcer, for me, is the very man-hater and instigator of attavistic instincts based on animal prejudices.

                      And this is not a speaker. this is this ok racist, anti-Semite and Ku Klux Klanovite. Not looking at his presentable appearance.
                      David Ernest Duke
      2. GG2012
        GG2012 24 November 2012 00: 01
        +3
        Quote: baltika-18
        , and biblical texts. And they, unfortunately, are sadly more literary than scientific.

        Again, plus you !!!
        In close comparison, Tolkien with The Lord of the Rings and the Biblical texts are works of art of equal value. Interesting Fantasy!
  2. Rezak
    Rezak 23 November 2012 10: 06
    +1
    I see no reason to support the Arabs so strongly. The Russians had nothing but problems with them, as soon as they managed to settle nearby. They cannot fight - this is a fact. And Israel simply does not want to fight at its own expense, and America, represented by H. Clinton, this time did not give out the dough for "Operation Cloud Pillar-Antiterror". What are the conflicts of civilizations in general?
    1. haron
      haron 23 November 2012 10: 48
      0
      Quote: Rezak
      But Israel simply doesn’t want to fight at its own expense,

      Do they have another way?
      There are two options, either to fight, or to negotiate.
      If you agree, then the Palestinians are categorically demanding that they return it, that is, they must recognize, recognize the Palestinian state, etc. - and this is not acceptable. Yes, and erriadu is not much needed (they need everything)
      If there are any options how to survive the Jews (in Palestine) without fighting, I will listen with pleasure!
      1. Rezak
        Rezak 23 November 2012 10: 56
        0
        Honestly, no. Of course. But you must either fight - yourself and at your own expense - or dump it. And then they settled down for the means of half the European world to live and manage with half measures.
      2. askort154
        askort154 23 November 2012 11: 02
        +7
        Israel has a backup airfield - the Jewish Autonomous Region,
        capital of Birobidzhan.
        1. Set
          Set 23 November 2012 11: 41
          +4
          Right now, his mouth widened.
          1. askort154
            askort154 23 November 2012 13: 00
            +1
            CeT [Right now I opened my mouth. ++
            Sorry, I didn’t know that you were from there,
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 23 November 2012 13: 14
          +8
          Quote: askort154
          Israel has a backup airfield - the Jewish Autonomous Region,
          capital of Birobidzhan.

          Maybe it's better to the New Earth. With the help of Yahweh, can they create paradise there? laughing
          1. askort154
            askort154 23 November 2012 15: 20
            +8
            [baltika-18] Maybe better to the New Earth. With the help of Yahweh they can be there
            paradise will create +

            It’s useless to Novaya Zemlya; they don’t get along with the Chukchi and begin to bomb them.
            But next to China, the very fact that they can do shooting all their lives.
          2. Fox 070
            Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 10
            +3
            Quote: baltika-18
            Maybe better to the New Earth.

            And let the landfill continue to operate. lol
            Well, or on the Kura Peninsula, in Kamchatka.
            1. -ш-
              -ш- 26 November 2012 18: 39
              +1
              that in Africa in the desert to settle, let them plant their trees there
        3. mda
          mda 23 November 2012 16: 26
          +4
          Quote: askort154
          Israel has a backup airfield - the Jewish Autonomous Region,
          capital of Birobidzhan.

          We will gladly accept them only with weapons and money arrive
          1. haron
            haron 23 November 2012 23: 09
            +2
            That is, there are no real offers? wink
        4. haron
          haron 23 November 2012 23: 07
          +1
          Quote: askort154
          capital of Birobidzhan.

          Only a great leader could joke like that - without quotes and emoticons.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 23 November 2012 10: 10
    +7
    "The Christians lost the battle in the Middle East back in the days of the Byzantine Empire." ... The essence of those days is ... Western Catholic Europe (the Byzantines also tried to adopt the Western values ​​of their fellow believers, and they were simply framed by the advanced management of that era) conniving at the Muslims strangled their main opponent Orthodox Byzantium ... this does not remind you of anything of today. But Russia became the heir to Orthodoxy of Byzantium ... the second head on the coat of arms ... and this confrontation lasts for a century defending the faith.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 23 November 2012 10: 35
      +5
      Quote: Strashila
      and they just framed them


      And substitute and will substitute - divide et impera
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 November 2012 10: 59
      -10
      Complete nonsense, once Russia was not like Byzantium
  4. Varies
    Varies 23 November 2012 10: 22
    +11
    It is necessary to take into account the fact that about a third to a quarter of the Jews are our former compatriots, carriers of Russian culture, the Russian language.

    Well, no, Jews are not native speakers of Russian culture, they may know the language, but they have their own culture, even among Soviet Jews.
    1. Dr. Pilyulkin
      Dr. Pilyulkin 23 November 2012 10: 33
      +4
      I'll tell you more. Many Russians today are no longer bearers of Russian culture and even the language, no matter how regrettable it is. And learning to write competently for many in general is a task out of the ordinary. And Stalin, by the way and for example, being a "face of Caucasian nationality", although with an accent, spoke Russian very well and wrote competently. Everything was confused in the Oblonskys' house.
  5. bazilio
    bazilio 23 November 2012 10: 30
    +4
    In the foreseeable future, Israel will continue to clash with its neighbors. I don’t want to speak out in anyone’s favor, much less to condemn anyone, and even less to call for any actions, I’m just trying to objectively look at the situation - Israel cannot win through terror and partisan actions, which is confirmed by history. Engaging in open confrontation with the IDF is risky. Even if you do not take into account external support, the IDF is one of the combat-ready arimies of the world, with modern weapons and high morale. The IDF can crush the neighbors only by a significant numerical superiority, although also not a fact; the six-day war is an example of this. From this conclusion, in order to defeat Israel, it is necessary to build up power, primarily economic, to strengthen the state and stability in it, to strengthen counter-intelligence, since Israel simply will not allow any of its neighbors to gain strength. Therefore, terror is not a good option. Once again, this is not a call, not an excuse or condemnation of anyone.
  6. amikan
    amikan 23 November 2012 10: 42
    -1
    "Jews attract the attention of the Arab world, and those Arab passionaries who could wage a subversive war against European and Russian civilizations are occupied by Israel."
    We arrived, inflated our ego with American money, put a fascist, i.e. Zionist (synonyms aren't it) elite at the head of the country, and now hospitals and schools are bombed, often entering the offices of large foreign media (of course, Hamas fighters hid behind the walls of these offices, who argues ...) and in general they are extremely disgusting.

    And returning to "heroic Israel", which chains the guns of Arab soldiers to itself, I would like to say that it is enough to go to the appropriate forums or watch TV, as soon as a person appears who starts shouting "Russian beat the Chechens", and then go to another forum and shouting "Chechens beat Russian dogs" and "jumping" from forum to forum saying "Russians and Jews lived together, we are best friends - Arabs are our enemies", and then write, according to the classical scheme, "Muslim come to your senses! Russians are your main enemy", etc. etc.
    Remember Berezovsky and the NTV channel, which in the 90s exposed fighters as freedom fighters ...

    I am for Palestine, in which, until the creation of the state of Israel, there were no ethnic conflicts.
    I am for justice. Fair.
    1. Professor
      Professor 23 November 2012 10: 59
      -9
      I am for Palestine, in which, until the creation of the state of Israel, there were no ethnic conflicts.

      Teach history. Especially about Palestine before the formation of Israel (I have not heard such a breech for a long time) and "peace and idyll" in that region until 1948.
      1. amikan
        amikan 23 November 2012 11: 23
        +6
        Professor of sour cabbage soup, I thought you guessed what I wanted to write about.
        After the Jews were kicked out of their permanent residence and they scattered like a plague across the European continent, where they were driven into the ghetto (I think for a reason).
        In the deserted territory, trees and plants finally began to grow.
        Before the arrival of the smelly and filthy herd of Europeans clad in armor, there was peace in this territory, I'm not talking about small skirmishes, battles between Arabs, it was still not a "big war".
        Well, after 1948, it spun, spun and a small piece of land was covered with the bodies of killed Arab children, and everyone is silent, the UN is silent and only the IDF’s boots crush the bodies of those who have just sheltered them on this earth.
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 November 2012 12: 32
          -3
          In the deserted territory, trees and plants finally began to grow.

          There is no limit to stupidity. fool Have you ever looked at a satellite image of Israel. Where the trees end there, Israel ends. Also take an interest in the activities of Keren Kaymet Le Israel and the Jewish holiday of Tu Be Shvat.

          Before the arrival of the smelly and filthy herd of Europeans clad in armor, there was peace in this territory, I'm not talking about small skirmishes, battles between Arabs, it was still not a "big war".

          You have a bad story. There has never been in the holy land of the world.

          Well, after 1948, it spun, spun and a small piece of land was covered with the bodies of killed Arab children, and everyone is silent, the UN is silent and only the IDF’s boots crush the bodies of those who have just sheltered them on this earth.

          Ostap carried ... Here's a fresh example of the "crimes" of the IDF spread by people like you and for people like you.
          On the left is a photograph taken in Syria, and on the right is a photograph "confirming the crimes of the IDF."
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 23 November 2012 13: 14
            -4
            Quote: Professor
            at least now look at a satellite image of Israel. Where the trees end there, Israel ends. Also take an interest in the activities of Keren Kaymet Le Israel and the Jewish holiday of Tu Be Shvat.

            Even in the desert ... Preschool game, "find the border"
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 November 2012 13: 36
              +1
              Even in the desert ..

              This is because of "boot (a wretched person does not know that there are no boots in the IDF) IDF fighters pushing into the mud (in this case, sand and stones) the bodies of those who only recently sheltered them on this earth".
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 23 November 2012 13: 47
                0
                Quote: Professor
                This is due to "the boots (the poor man does not know that there are no boots in the IDF) of the IDF fighters pressing into the mud (in this case, sand and stones) the bodies of those who only recently sheltered them on this earth."

                The desert forever absorbed the blood of the indigenous inhabitants of the Palestinian Empire, treacherously expelled, the guests to whom they gave shelter and a roof over their heads.
                Turned the desert the devil knows what
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 23 November 2012 14: 11
                  +7
                  Quote: Rumata
                  The desert has forever absorbed the blood of the indigenous people of the Palestinian Empire,

                  And what about the Palestinian Empire? Enlighten, I have not heard.
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 23 November 2012 14: 16
                    -6
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    And what about the Palestinian Empire? Enlighten, I have not heard

                    Many believe that the territory of Palestine was under the control of the Ottoman Empire, and then under the mandate of England. Rafiah’s scientists have proven that this was not so. This Ottoman Empire was a Vassal of Palestine with its capital in Ramallah. England later became a satellite of the Palestinian Empire, one might say a colony (the queen personally reported to the Shaids in the Capital)
                    Palestinians accepted Jews into their territory, who treacherously, with a blow in the back, seized part of their lands, appropriated the army, technology and infrastructure. Then the Jews, with the help of the ZOG, Massonov and Illuminati, rewrote history.
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 23 November 2012 16: 45
                      +6
                      Quote: Rumata
                      Many believe that the territory of Palestine was under the control of the Ottoman Empire, and then under the mandate of England. Rafiah’s scientists have proven that this was not so. This Ottoman Empire was a Vassal of Palestine with its capital in Ramallah. England later became a satellite of the Palestinian Empire, one might say a colony (the queen personally reported to the Shaids in the Capital)
                      Palestinians accepted Jews into their territory, who treacherously, with a blow in the back, seized part of their lands, appropriated the army, technology and infrastructure. Then the Jews, with the help of the ZOG, Massonov and Illuminati, rewrote history.

                      An interesting version. It proves once again that history is not a science, but a part of politics. Like many other versions it has the right to exist. But I think in the near future, humanity will still learn the true history of the development of civilization. Agree that it is not Possibly. Let us recall the saying "no matter how long the rope twists, the end will be."
                      1. Arkan
                        Arkan 23 November 2012 16: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Interesting version

                        He's just kicked out, don't take this "version" seriously.
                      2. baltika-18
                        baltika-18 23 November 2012 17: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: Arkan
                        He's just kicked out, don't take this "version" seriously.

                        And you know, honestly, until the 17-18th century, I do not seriously take a single version of history, either classical or many others.
          2. vyatom
            vyatom 23 November 2012 13: 39
            0
            HORROR. Let them rather agree. Very sorry for the children.
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 November 2012 13: 45
              +2
              Peace in the Middle East comes when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews. Golda Meir
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 23 November 2012 16: 51
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                Peace in the Middle East will come when Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Golda Meir

                You can say anything, the main thing to do. And there will never be peace. Neither the patrons of Israel, nor the patrons of the Arabs need it.
              2. Fox 070
                Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 23
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Peace in the Middle East will come when Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews. Golda Meir

                That's how you live - blackmail and murder.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 23 November 2012 18: 54
                  -6
                  And you, like the whole Siberia, the Caucasus occupied, you restore order at home and not in Israel
                  1. mogus
                    mogus 24 November 2012 15: 43
                    +5
                    I am Russian in the sixth generation of Siberians, so I can answer for the locals who lived here before the arrival of the Slavs. What you call the occupation of Siberia, they don’t think so. Buryats, Karyms, Slavs got along for several centuries. During the perestroika, the Buryats (ethnic Mongols who settled after Genghis Khan) had the opportunity to secede, however, like Yakutia, but no one left except the stoned Caucasus. You have no idea about such a regina as Siberia. If the Slavs leave, then the locals will face the fate of the Indians, as in the United States aggressors. This is perfectly understood by everyone who lives here. The chosen and smart people still need to live up to such a neighborhood ... but what does the story say? Two millennia ago am
                  2. Yazov
                    Yazov 9 December 2012 00: 10
                    0
                    But about Siberia, do not! In Siberia, order! The people live quietly, they’re not happy with all kinds of bogs! Calm, one might say, Olympic !!!
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 48
                  -5
                  Pliz, when you leave the topic - wipe. They didn’t give a damn.
          3. baltika-18
            baltika-18 23 November 2012 14: 08
            +7
            Quote: Professor
            You have a bad story. There has never been in the holy land of the world.

            So if there was no peace, maybe the land there is not holy?
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 November 2012 14: 13
              -2
              I do not enter into theological discussions.
          4. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 23 November 2012 18: 07
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            There has never been in the holy land of the world.

            Russia and Israel are not satisfied with the process of building an aggressive Great Caliphate. This makes our powers potential allies. It is necessary to take into account the fact that about a third to a quarter of the Jews are our former compatriots, carriers of Russian culture, the Russian language.

            I completely agree with this excerpt. Hamas leader’s statement that Iran supplies weapons also pinned.
            I immediately remembered Qatar, the weapons were most likely smuggled from Libya. I would have thought Israel needed these actions for certain influences on Iran if the spirit of Qatar and Saudi Arabia were not felt.
            Maybe clarify the professor.
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 November 2012 18: 42
              0
              just remembered about Qatar, weapons are most likely smuggled from Libya. I would have thought Israel needed these actions for certain influences on Iran if the spirit of Qatar and Saudi Arabia were not felt.
              Maybe clarify the professor.

              Weapons flow into Gaza from everywhere and from Libya too. Traditionally, weapons are supplied by Iran. A couple of times they intercepted vessels with weapons, a couple of times they bombed convoys in Sudan. Now Iran for the first time officially recognized the supply of arms to Hamas. Now there are no legal obstacles to seize a couple of billions of dollars from Iran (in the event that American citizens have suffered from this weapon, say in Ashdod). On the other hand, Israel has received legitimacy to help, say, the Kurds.

              http://www.idfblog.com/?attachment_id=787
          5. Fox 070
            Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 19
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            On the left is a photograph taken in Syria, and on the right is a photograph "confirming the crimes of the IDF."

            Moreover, the revelations were made by ISRAEL! Apparently again nonsense! wassat
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 23 November 2012 18: 48
              -1
              Quote: Fox 070
              Reach disclosures made by ISRAEL! Apparently again nonsense!

              There is an explanation much simpler, the space-time continuum was violated, and Israeli crimes in Gaza this week appeared in newspapers half a year ago
          6. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 23 November 2012 19: 55
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            Ostap carried

            You are mistaken Dear! Now it has gone !!!!
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 23 November 2012 20: 03
              -3
              The head of the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in Yitzhar (Samaria) was arrested on suspicion of "incitement to the murder of the goyim." The police searched the yeshiva and confiscated all copies of the book by Rabbi I. Shapiro "Torat-a Melekh" found there.

              There are extremists in any faith - the question is their quantity and the degree of their aggressiveness.
              1. OSTAP BENDER
                OSTAP BENDER 23 November 2012 20: 49
                +7
                Quote: Pimply
                There are extremists in any faith - the question is their quantity and the degree of their aggressiveness.

                Dear Pimpy! I agree with you if you give an example of a similar statement by an Orthodox priest in Ukraine or Russia !!! It seems that the Jews have big problems with this !!!!!
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  OSTAP BENDER 23 November 2012 21: 02
                  +7
                  Quote: Pimply
                  degree of aggressiveness.

                  What about this? !!!
                  “... from this day I will begin to spread fear and horror before you to the nations under the whole heaven; those who hear about you will tremble and be terrified of you ... And the Lord said to me: behold, I begin to deliver to you Sihon [the king of Heshbon, the Amorite] and his land; begin to take possession of his land ... and the Lord our God betrayed him [into our hands] and we smote him and his sons and all his people, and took all his cities at that time, and condemned all cities, men and women, and children left no one alive; we just took for their prey their livestock and captured in the cities we took. ” (Deut. 2, 25, 31–35).

                  “And David gathered all the people, and went to Rabbi, and fought against her and took her ... and he brought out a lot of booty from the city. And the people who were in it, he brought out and put them under the saws, under the iron threshers, under the iron axes, and threw them into the kilns. So he did with all the cities of Ammon. And after that David and all the people returned to Jerusalem. ” (2 Kings 12, 29–31).
                2. Karish
                  Karish 23 November 2012 21: 07
                  -2
                  Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                  I agree with you if you give an example of a similar statement by an Orthodox priest in Ukraine or Russia !!! It seems that the Jews have big problems with this !!!!!

                  A group of 12 Orthodox priests called on the Church to reconsider their long-standing theological positions in relation to Jews and the state of Israel and to remove anti-Semitic places from worship. The priests put forward their demands in the form of a 12-point declaration adopted during a week-long visit to Israel. The purpose of this declaration is to provoke debate in the Orthodox world and call into question centuries-old anti-Semitic views.
                  “Unfortunately, there are Orthodox Christians who, under the guise of Orthodoxy, are promoting disgusting anti-Semitism that is incompatible with Christianity,” says Innocent Pavlov, a theology teacher at the Moscow Bible Theological Institute. “We must speak and call on the Orthodox laity and the Church leadership to formulate the official position of the Orthodox Church towards Judaism, as the Catholic Church did several decades ago,” he adds, referring to the Second Vatican Council in 1962-1965.

                  Anti-Semitism was not alien and patr. Alexy Simansky:
                  “Once at the table we were talking about Jews.“ Yes, ”said the Patriarch,“ Jews are, of course, horror! A difficult, difficult psychological formation. There are so many problems with them! But think: after all, this is despite the fact that they are God's chosen ones, "And what have they reached! And if God had not chosen them, but had not humbled them, then what would have happened then? Even worse!" (Nechaev, 2004, 103)

                  Then, in January 2005, the deacon of the Moscow Patriarchate A. Kuraev made an "assumption" that it was the Jews who sent their baptized brothers to Auschwitz. A public scandal erupted. The offender was seriously justified by the fact that he "spoke in front of a closed and peculiar audience - military priests"


                  A rabbi is like the head of a parish (more precisely, a person who has passed the exam for the title of rabbi). Parishes are small and large. The rabbis are idiots and extremists, and rabbis bring light and faith to people, and in general, as elsewhere, they are different.
                  A criminal case was instituted against him (Rav Shapiro) (for his statements), and his yeshiva (religious school) was deprived of state. financing.
                  We suffer no less from such idiots, they issue various halachic decrees, and you won’t pull on your head or ears. The people are neighing, but those who do not know think that they (these rabbis) almost express the policy of the state.
                  1. OSTAP BENDER
                    OSTAP BENDER 23 November 2012 21: 35
                    +7
                    Karish! I agree with you anti-Semitism is bad!
                    Quote: Karish
                    The rabbis are idiots and extremists, and rabbis bring light and faith to people, and in general, as elsewhere, they are different.

                    And what about this? !!!!
                    Our race is the Super Race. We are powerful gods on this planet. Compared to our race, other races are animals and animals. It is our destiny to dominate the lower races. Our kingdom will be governed by the iron hand of our leader. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves.
                    Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister 1977-1983)

                    • “Jews are human beings, and other nations of the world are not people, but beasts.” (Baba Necia 114,6)
                    • "The commandment" Thou shalt not kill "means that you cannot kill the son of Israel, and the goy and heretic are not the sons of Israel." (Jad Chag. Hilch Rozerch., Hilch Malachim).
                    • “If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he must answer for it. If a Jew kills a goy, there is no responsibility on him.” (Tosefta Aboda Zara B5)
                    • “Do not save the gentiles in case of danger or death.” (Hikkoth Akum X1)
                    • "The best of the goyim kill." (Kidduschim 82 a; Sophrim 15; Mechlito C. Bechallam).
                    • “The goy who studies the Talmud and the Jew who introduces him to the Talmud deserve to die. A Jew who writes a translation from the Talmud or from the writings of the rabbis is considered a traitor and is secretly killed. ” (Sanhedrin 59 a, Schaar Teschub 78 b).
                    • “To tell the goyim something about our religious relations is tantamount to the murder of all Jews, because if they knew what we were teaching about them, they would kill us openly.” (Libbre David 37)
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 23 November 2012 21: 38
                      -5
                      Tearing quotes out of context, and turning them over, you can even imagine the righteous as the devil, and the devil as the righteous.

                      You copy other people's texts, but the books themselves did not bother to read. 8) Maybe when you grow ...
                    2. Beck
                      Beck 24 November 2012 13: 31
                      0
                      Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                      • "The commandment" Thou shalt not kill "means that you must not kill the son of Israel, and the goy and heretic are not the sons of Israel."


                      Below there is still a quotation from the Bible of Boris. Such a transfer of the postulates of the undeveloped world of antiquity in today's time of developed civilization is not that it is not correct, but it is not permissible. With this comparison, we put ourselves on a par with the blind fanatics of faith, transferring fanaticism into the modern sphere of human relations between enlightened people. It’s like taking a fairy tale for reality. Similar can be found in any religion.

                      The gospel.

                      - Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and whoever loves a son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
                      Chapter 10, verse 37. From Matthew.

                      - Do not think that I have come to bring PEACE to the earth; not the world I came to bring, but the SWORD.
                      Chapter 10, verse 34. From Matthew.

                      - The father will be against the son, and the son against the father; mother versus daughter and daughter versus mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
                      Chapter 12, verse 53. From Luke.

                      “And the enemies of man are his household.”
                      Chapter 10, verse 36. From Matthew.

                      Koran.

                      SURAH 28. Ayat 58.
                      Oh, how many villages we destroyed,
                      What proudly rejoiced in the abundance of their lives!
                      And their dwellings are semi-desert,
                      And We are the heirs (to everything they entertained).

                      SURAH 32. Ayat 13.
                      And if We wanted it,
                      We would lead every soul in a direct way,
                      But My word is invariable.
                      “I will fill Hell with people and genies - all together,

                      Sura 77. Ayat 16.
                      Really (for this evil) We did not ruin
                      The peoples of many past years?

                      Ayat 17.
                      After them
                      We will send the next generation.

                      If the postulates of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are taken directly and as truth in the era of science, knowledge, enlightenment, then it’s not worth living. Since none of us complies with these postulates of an unenlightened worldview.
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 November 2012 21: 35
                  -4
                  The rabbi is not a priest, dear. To start.
                  Secondly, I have too much respect for my Orthodox friends to judge their faith - at least somewhat, according to the statements of the marginalized. Therefore, I will not engage in sim entertainment. Do you like to burn - kindle 8). Only after that do not call yourself Orthodox. And a Christian, okay? wink
                  1. OSTAP BENDER
                    OSTAP BENDER 23 November 2012 21: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: Pimply
                    The rabbi is not a priest, dear. To start. Secondly, I have too much respect for my Orthodox friends to judge their faith - at least a little, according to the statements of the outcasts.

                    This is not a statement of marginals, it is the Old Testament component of the Torah (the five books of Moses). The rest, see the post above !!!!!
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 23 November 2012 22: 00
                      -4
                      Have you read the Torah to judge it? The Old Testament is not an integral part of the Torah, for example, are you aware, but somewhat the other way around?
                      The rabbis are not priests, but scientists. For example, the status of the supreme rabbi of Russia, Berl-Lazar, is perceived as if he was the chief rabbi of all the Jews of Russia, that is, the chief scholar on Judaism in Russia. But this is not so. Because there are several more very large organizations: KEROOR, for example.

                      You are poorly versed in the issues you are trying to judge. Start learning if you are really interested in theology - discover many, many new things.
          7. ximik1980
            ximik1980 24 November 2012 00: 29
            -3
            enchanting nonsense smile
        2. igor67
          igor67 23 November 2012 16: 07
          -1
          amikan,
          In the deserted territory, finally trees and plants began to grow ??????? you couldn’t write more nonsense, until the proclamation of the state in 48, the so-called residents practically helped out all the trees, especially Oak, which went to sleepers for the Great Dane, and steam locomotives, along the Jordan River there were malaria swamps, people doh like flies from malaria, a blooming pancake garden. After the proclamation of the state, millions of trees were planted anew, though it was necessary to plant fast-growing trees such as pine and eucalyptus trees, and the swamps drained every year but no one reproached the fight against the malaria mosquito, they annually search the places of possible infection. Why before writing h .... no one is interested in the facts,
        3. ximik1980
          ximik1980 24 November 2012 00: 34
          -2
          Another fact, when most of the Jews for their crimes were thrown out of Spain, France and most countries of Western Europe in the 15-16 century, it was the compassionate Arabs who sheltered this tribe.
          Jewish "gratitude" we now observe am
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 24 November 2012 02: 12
            -4
            And in Europe, witches were burned at the stake. Also "for crimes". Can you tell us for what "crimes" the Jews were expelled?
        4. Yazov
          Yazov 24 November 2012 02: 27
          -1
          Trees grow along the Jordan River in Israel. I also liked the pine trees around Jerusalem, each irrigated. Each irrigation hose fits. And where the Arabs live, there even the palm trees dry up! The Egyptians deserted the Sahara, and that shit, wherever the mountains of garbage look. The coast of the Red Sea is covered with a thick layer of glass and plastic bottles. purely current on the hotel grounds. Hurghada, a large garbage can, in Cairo, there is pure current near schools and mosques. The clean city of Luxor, I've already seen two janitors there!
          1. igor67
            igor67 24 November 2012 02: 36
            -1
            Yazov,
            Already the butter has gone, in pine groves, you are right to easily determine the borders of Israel and its neighbors in trees, for some reason the Arabs before the hair dryer would eat the cult of food
            1. Yazov
              Yazov 24 November 2012 14: 57
              +3
              And the people are minus, the trees are Jewish, then you need to minus! The first time I went to Egypt in 2010 was to see the pyramids and Luxor. Seeing how the Arabs live, just .... oh .. stunned. So shit, still need to be able to. After a trip to Hurghada, having arrived at the hotel, washed his sandals with soap and in the shower. Wife said, all ... pi.pi. pi. More to the Arabs a foot. No fate to see. We decided to go to holy places and the most optimal option again is Egypt. Well, Taba is certainly not Hurghada, but now it’s probably not a foot to the Arabs! Probably I have never seen so much srach in one place in my entire life. The sea was littered, and the Sahara near the cities is a large dump. And most importantly, no one thinks to clean it all up!
              1. igor67
                igor67 24 November 2012 15: 04
                +3
                Yazov,
                It was necessary to lay out the pictures, then they would believe
                1. Yazov
                  Yazov 24 November 2012 16: 38
                  0
                  I didn’t really want to remove desire, but what got into the lens.
                  1. Yazov
                    Yazov 24 November 2012 16: 42
                    -2
                    Center of Cairo.
                2. Yazov
                  Yazov 24 November 2012 16: 43
                  +1
                  Cairo is not a suburb at all.
                  1. Konrad
                    Konrad 25 November 2012 21: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: Yazov

                    Cairo is not a suburb at all.

                    Last year we were in Tunisia - one to one!
                    1. Yazov
                      Yazov 26 November 2012 17: 19
                      0
                      Pictures of Egypt, another 10 years, before the first pogroms. October. The currents left and they started. This year they just left at the end of October and they started again. The wife says that it’s time to drive them to the USA ..... They left France in 2005 and they started identity too!
                      1. Beck
                        Beck 27 November 2012 11: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Yazov
                        Pictures of Egypt, another 10 years, before the first pogroms. October. The currents left and they started. This year they just left at the end of October and they started again. The wife says that it’s time to drive them to the USA ..... They left France in 2005 and they started identity too!


                        If you are so unlucky then it’s better not to come to us. Although come, we’ll meet well, but we won’t let go. After all, only after your departure the whole whirlwind begins. You will be an honored guest to the end.
              2. Yazov
                Yazov 24 November 2012 16: 53
                +1
                View of the Irusalim.
            2. Yazov
              Yazov 24 November 2012 16: 51
              0
              View of the Irusalim.
          2. Yazov
            Yazov 24 November 2012 16: 54
            -1
            Pine trees around Jerusalem.
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 16
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Teach the story.

        What story? Narrated by the Jews? So you lie - you won’t take it expensive (people, they even manage to sell a lie. Tfu!) ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 23 November 2012 18: 55
          -9
          your territory the Moscow region the rest is occupied, captured
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 November 2012 11: 03
      -3
      amikan (1) KZ Today-Illiterate Palestine is a Jew this is the Romans gave the name because of the uprising in Rome there is a minor trophy of Jewish wars honor Joseph Flavius ​​and the Arabs did not smell there
      1. ximik1980
        ximik1980 24 November 2012 00: 24
        +3
        Remember: Palestine existed long before the pharaoh drove a bunch of thieves and perverts out of Egypt.
        No matter how the Zionist falsifiers lie, the fact remains.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 November 2012 00: 37
          -3
          ximik1980
          And where can you get such interesting information? Well, in the sense of reading?
          Prior to your announcement, I believed that the name Palestine was given to the province of the Roman Empire of Judea after the suppression of the Bar Kochba revolt in 132-136 AD. The roots of this word in the Hebrew word "liflos" are to invade. The Jews of the ancient kingdoms called "plishtim" - the invaders, the so-called "peoples of the sea", who belonged to the Dorian tribes and, having seized the coastal strip from Gaza to Ashdod, organized five city-states that waged wars with the Jews, right up to their conquest by King David. After which they existed as Vasal states until their final destruction during the Assyrian conquest.
          But still it would be interesting to read your sources?
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 23 November 2012 13: 01
      0
      Quote: amikan
      Remember Berezovsky and the NTV channel

      Gusinsky had NTV
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 23 November 2012 13: 47
        +3
        Quote: Kyrgyz

        Quote: amikan
        Remember Berezovsky and the NTV channel
        Gusinsky had NTV

        What is the one that is another Zionist miscarriage.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 November 2012 00: 41
          -3
          baltika-18
          The fact that they are both Jews is a fact, but what do they have to do with the Zionist movement? Did they do something good for Israel? So enlighten us, otherwise we here in Israel do not know about this.
          Or any Jew who, from your point of view, is already a Zionist bad person? Well, by the way, such a point of view has the right to exist.
    4. Yazov
      Yazov 24 November 2012 02: 13
      -2
      Yes, the Palestinians are no longer warriors, they scored everything! I repeat once again. He was a tourist in Israel and Palestine. Immediately drew attention to the Jews, how thin and athletic they are and to the Palestinians, what they are all ... ,, a little thickish ,,. In the last days of rest in Egypt, a lot of Palestinians settled in the hotel. The empty two buildings were populated by them. We arrived to celebrate Kuyram-bayram. And then it began ... Even Russian tourists do not allow themselves this. The most modest example. I’m standing at the bar early in the morning for a beer. Well .... now I’ll be treated! A Palestinian is coming up, he is cracking from the bartender ,, Bira ,,, the one (Egyptian) rubs him that he doesn’t allow you to drink beer. Beer type for Russian etc. And he answered him: ...... gyr gyr ... koran ... gyr gyr and shows on the bracelet, such as all inclusive, pour it, it is obliged. They poured beer and put it in great disgust. After that I began to pay attention to this topic. Well, it’s more modest .. The beer ran out at one point and it was explained to me that a lot of Palestinians arrived for the holiday, and the Egyptians did not think that they were drinking beer. The average Palestinian family is 3-6 children belonging to themselves. I am completely depressed from raising these children. I have no words. Rather, I winged with such words that it’s still a little embarrassing ...... HERE THEY OF ISRAELS WILL WIN! not the Palestinians who were in the USSR! To these Palestinians .... for everything, like my hut from the edge I don’t know anything! The thicker the erysipelas, the higher the position in society. Like a lot of money, I’m eating as I want. Who does not believe, drive, see for yourself.
  7. liachenko
    liachenko 23 November 2012 10: 53
    0
    Current problems have one root and one solution ...
    Article: There is TOTAL Three scenarios for the development of the country and the world http://www.casocialism.com/2012/06/315.html "There is no purpose to fool, therefore the magazine of the KASS party is always simple and as short as possible.
  8. dojjdik
    dojjdik 23 November 2012 11: 02
    -4
    this "combat-ready" IDP can hide behind the back of the American military (because the US economy is subordinated to a bunch of rich people from the Jewish diaspora) and the author of the article is stupidly trying to translate the Arab-Israeli conflict into a religious war supposedly between Christians and Muslims; the trouble of the Arabs is in their oil; the leadership of Israel thinks only how to humiliate the Arabs with weapons, religion has nothing to do with
  9. Ascetic
    Ascetic 23 November 2012 11: 27
    +15
    Why are they firing rockets at us? ” - the daughter asks. “Because they hate us so much,” her mother answers her. "Why do they hate us?" "Because they are anti-Semites." “Why do they throw rockets at us, because we left Gaza?” the average Israeli asks his political leaders. “Because they always wanted and tried to destroy us,” the politicians answer in unison.


    Shlomo Zand, “Haaretz”, 18.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX

    Gaza is a part of Eretz-Israel which was promised to the Jews by the Most High, and whoever goes against the will of the Most High is worthy of all earthly and heavenly punishment.
    Such statements and conclusions, without exaggeration, can be called characteristic of many Israelis; they reflect Israeli political culture. The slogan is one - Justice is on our side

    Naturally, the Arabs (especially the Islamic radicals), to put it mildly, do not agree with this approach. Moreover, exactly the opposite, Palestine is our land, and the Jews colonialists must get out of there or be destroyed in another "jihad" And the dialectic of Arab power (caliphate) and conquests demanded humiliation of the conquered, justification of the monopolization of dignity and rights in the hands of the victors. displacement of all cultures and religions except "pure" Islam.
    Arab nationalist Islamists A negative position was chosen, which was expressed by the first Algerian president, Ahmed Ben-Bella, in 1982 in the following formula:
    “Like Arabs, we want to be. However, we can only be in the case of the non-existence of others. "

    Arab nationalism today is a political movement that seeks to restore the leadership of the Arabs, similar to that which existed in the Arab-Muslim empire during the caliphs.
    The same negative attitude towards the Arabs was also chosen by Jewish Zionist nationalists who are in power in Israel.
    Therefore, at the moment, there can be no talk of any world. So far, nationalists and radicals are in power here and there.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 23 November 2012 11: 36
      -2
      Quote: Ascetic
      Such statements and conclusions, without exaggeration, can be called characteristic of many Israelis, they reflect Israeli political culture

      Most of the Israelis, Gaza is not needed even for nothing and for a lot of money.
    2. Professor
      Professor 23 November 2012 12: 36
      -7
      The same negative attitude towards the Arabs was also chosen by Jewish Zionist nationalists who are in power in Israel.

      Are these your words or as usual copy-list? If yours can be more detailed where this was stated? I am very interested in the history of this region.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 November 2012 13: 59
      +6
      Quote: Ascetic
      Arab nationalism

      Quote: Ascetic
      Jewish nationalist Zionists

      The convergence point of the two fascist ideologies is the Middle East. The question is, who benefits from this? Israel could not have existed without fueling the world Zionist and financial clans close to them. Arab nationalism is nurtured thanks to them. They pull the strings, the performance is just beginning. Will Israel salt? Perhaps. Who will be the peacemaker? Not known.
      1. bask
        bask 23 November 2012 14: 06
        +8
        baltika / ,, Peacemaker ,,, or rather, the main world gendarme, one. This is the USA .. And the war in B. Vostok, which in a row I do not know, is only just beginning.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 23 November 2012 16: 57
          +5
          Quote: bask
          baltika / ,, Peacemaker ,,, or rather, the main world gendarme, one. This is the United States .. And the war in B. Vostok, which in a row I do not know, is just beginning

          Basque is possible here. I’m saying the performance is just beginning, but the play is painfully not fun.
        2. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 18: 29
          +6
          Quote: bask
          , the main world gendarme, one. This is the USA.

          Or rather, the main inspirer of all this "peacemaking" process, ZIONISM and its guides, JUDEAS. "+"
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 23 November 2012 18: 57
            -5
            Fox-why do you use a computer phone, windows yes yes all this is an invention of the Zionists your only accounts
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 23 November 2012 20: 27
              +4
              Quote: Insurgent
              computer telephone, windows yes yes all this is an invention of the Zionists

              Among the "inventions" of Judaism are gay marriage, "democracy", "tolerance", "liberalism", juvenile justice ... Have you forgotten anything abominable? There must be at least some benefit from you, well, at least in something! ??
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 23 November 2012 20: 32
                -2
                Oh, you apparently prefer a dictatorship - and Hitler? 8) Orthodox rabbis would be surprised about gay marriage, and the Greeks - about democracy 8)))))

                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 23 November 2012 21: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Orthodox rabbis would marvel at gay marriage,

                  Researchers believe that the symbol of Jewry - the star of David - is a symbol of bisexuality. Two inverted triangles. In ancient symbolism, these were symbols of male and female principles. And at the same time symbols of good and evil. No wonder. Indeed, the Bible explicitly states that the shepherdess David was a pederast, or rather, bisexual, and made a career from the reverse, through Tsarevich Jonathan: “My brother Jonathan ... your love was greater than female love for me” (2 Kings 1: 26). love
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 23 November 2012 21: 38
                    -5
                    Sorry, I don’t serve Hitler fans
                    1. Fox 070
                      Fox 070 23 November 2012 22: 03
                      +6
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Hitler fans do not serve

                      Since you often began to remember Hitler I will say:
                      I cannot be a fan of the above-mentioned "person" for one simple reason - the Jews brought him to power and this is a very disgusting fact from your history. Wipe down, Bumpy.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 November 2012 22: 06
                        -5
                        I repeat - I do not serve Hitler lovers.
                      2. ximik1980
                        ximik1980 24 November 2012 00: 18
                        +3
                        pricks Zionist eyes really something?

                        smile
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 24 November 2012 02: 13
                        -3
                        What are you anti-Semite? Why stab something? What you are - remained so.
              2. Insurgent
                Insurgent 23 November 2012 21: 56
                -3
                That I look from you is not of any use no Jews all left no one to invent
              3. Konrad
                Konrad 26 November 2012 16: 35
                -1
                Quote: Fox 070
                Should there be at least some benefit from you, well, at least in something! ??

                They gave the world a lot of outstanding scientists, designers, musicians, doctors, which our country is rightly proud of. And what have Russia given to you, sowing ethnic hatred around you, a petty dirty trick ???
            2. ebrd
              ebrd 24 November 2012 03: 11
              -1
              It’s not true, from the ones you have listed, scores were probably one of the first inventions of the Jews.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 24 November 2012 03: 44
                -2
                Jews began to engage in commerce and usury (as well as other dirty professions - junk farming, etc.) mainly because of some interesting laws prohibiting them, for example, from owning land - the most popular topic at that time. Who knew that banking brought such a profit, right? wink
  10. Islam
    Islam 23 November 2012 11: 27
    +6
    The shame of Arabs didn’t give a damn about the words of Muhammad, who called for peace with all religions, didn’t give a damn about the fact that once Orthodox Christians and Muslims were allies, that the right hand of Saladin, who fought against the crusaders, was Orthodox and that one of Muhammad’s wives was Orthodox that once upon a time in the Middle East the Orthodox were under the protection of Muslims (and they were not asked to change their religion) The de-Christianization of the Middle East is the absurdity of the Wahhabis. The Middle East is the sacred land of the main religions and therefore representatives of these religions should live there and set an example to everyone how to live in peace and harmony. And they desecrate this land with their wars and with some sort of unreasonable (in my opinion) shelling
    1. 755962
      755962 23 November 2012 12: 22
      +1
      Quote: Islam
      The Middle East is the sacred land of the main religions and therefore representatives of these religions should live there and set an example to everyone how to live in peace and harmony.


      Israel is the Holy Land, a place of mixing civilizations, a place where Asia and Africa meet each other. This is the cradle of the three great world religions: Christianity, Judaism and Islam. This Earth attracted people at all times. God has many names, but ... God is one, but different faiths ... If it happened that people were separated, it means that someone needs it ... then someone gets dividends from it. ... sad ... people die from people, and this is the most cruel on Earth ..

      "No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity" "But I know none, and there fore am no beast"

      Richard III Shakespeare
      1. Islam
        Islam 23 November 2012 12: 36
        +2
        agree sad but this "sad" must be made inadmissible
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 23 November 2012 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: 755962
        God has many names, but ... God is one,

        He most likely has one name, the rest of the people came up with the simplicity of their soul.
      3. arkady149
        arkady149 23 November 2012 14: 39
        +3
        Quote: 755962
        "No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity" "But I know none, and there fore am no beast"

        "A fierce beast of pity is no stranger.
        I am alien, which means I am not a beast "
        Somehow not in Russian .... Not our attitude (mentality).
        1. 755962
          755962 23 November 2012 16: 25
          0
          It's me that people are worse than the beast .... Alas ...
      4. Uncle
        Uncle 23 November 2012 22: 56
        -2
        Quote: 755962
        God has many names, but ... God is one, but different faiths
        This heresy is called "monotheism". Christ is our true God !!!
        1. GG2012
          GG2012 24 November 2012 00: 43
          +2
          Quote: Uncle
          Christ is our true God !!!

          Listen to Dmitry! If you really are such a believer, then do not shout about it in every comment.
          If you believe so seriously, then go to church, pray, read special literature, fast, accept tonsure, ...
          But why shout about it ?!
          Does your cry change anything in this life? Or maybe you become more spiritual?
          I’ll answer for you: Your cry doesn’t change anything. Do not waste your energy on nothing!
          Best regards
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 23 November 2012 16: 27
      +1
      What are the Orthodox during Mohammed?
      1. igor67
        igor67 23 November 2012 16: 31
        +1
        Brother Sarych,
        Islam is the youngest religion and appeared after Christianity, and Orthodoxy is earlier than Catholicism,
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 23 November 2012 16: 49
          +2
          Quote: igor67
          and Orthodoxy is earlier than Catholicism

          Orthodoxy can hardly be called "earlier than Catholicism", just one powerful religious movement split into two independent of each other. And Orthodoxy itself has transformed (remember the struggle with the Old Believers). Of the modern trends of Christianity, perhaps the earliest can be called Egyptian Copts ...
          1. igor67
            igor67 23 November 2012 17: 11
            +1
            Arkan,
            Why, here in the Arab Christian villages there are many different directions of Christianity, here Orthodoxy is considered orthodox
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 23 November 2012 18: 28
              +2
              Quote: igor67
              Orthodoxy is considered orthodox

              Well, of course. If, for example, the Arians had won the ideological war at the time, their dogmas would be considered orthodox, and the rest would have been cut out or burned like eritiks. This is life.
            2. Uncle
              Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 01
              -1
              Quote: igor67
              Orthodoxy is considered orthodox
              We have prayers even of the 3rd century, the rite of worship is 1000 years old, and Western Christians are constantly transforming the worship, apparently because of this there is no Holy Spirit in their churches.
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 24 November 2012 00: 53
                +4
                Quote: Uncle
                apparently, therefore, in their churches there is no Holy Spirit.

                And in our country the Holy Spirit is expressed in the amount of gold in the Church, in the high cost of gold crosses on the priests and in the thickness of the priests' bellies?
                You are like a small child ... I swear ...
                1. GG2012
                  GG2012 24 November 2012 02: 42
                  0
                  UPDATE.

                  Come here http://www.yaplakal.com/uploads/previews/post-3-13536164978310.jpg
                  Representatives of the Holy Freestuff Spirit decided to go in for sports!
                2. GG2012
                  GG2012 24 November 2012 02: 50
                  0



                  Read how the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church pretend from the Free Holy Spirit.
                  http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/st/0/topic506556.html
            3. Arkan
              Arkan 24 November 2012 15: 28
              +1
              igor67,
              Yes, I forgot to mention - for example, Italy (after the collapse of the Roman Empire) was captured by the Goths and was under their control for a long time, and they were followers of the teachings of the Alexandrian priest Arius. And if the Goths were not so tolerant of the religions of the indigenous inhabitants of Italy (they believed more in force of arms, not words) - Catholics could well have become "heretics", "schismatics", etc., and Italy would now be completely different.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 23 November 2012 22: 58
        0
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        What are the Orthodox during Mohammed?
        Exactly, then there were just Christians.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 23 November 2012 23: 37
          -1
          No, then there was that one between them: Nestorians, Arians, Copts - there were a lot of things, and there were even more internal contradictions. It’s very interesting if you delve into history
  11. Rumata
    Rumata 23 November 2012 11: 32
    -1
    I also see this conflict as a war between "Western" and "Eastern" civilizations. If we draw an analogy, then Hungary begs itself, which for many years, almost single-handedly restrained the Ottoman invasion of Europe, until Russia was strengthened, as well as a victory at Vienna, if the siege of Vienna was lost, it is quite possible that most of Europe would now be Muslims like countries Balkan.
  12. ATATA
    ATATA 23 November 2012 11: 43
    +9
    We see a clash of Muslim and Judeo-Christian civilizations

    I don’t know such a civilization. request
    1. amikan
      amikan 23 November 2012 11: 49
      -3
      I'm fortunately too.
      After the Jews crucified Christ ... what else can we talk about?
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 23 November 2012 13: 32
        +2
        Quote: amikan
        After the Jews crucified Christ ... what else can we talk about?

        Let's be historically accurate: a Jew was crucified by a Jew, Yeshua Ga-Nozri, who was worshiped by the Talmud and declared himself the Messiah of the people of Israel, thereby violating the laws of the horned Moses.
        Fantasy character - Jesus Christ, who never existed, is the result of the literary work of the Jewish rabbis and Saul (Paul), while adapting to the teachings of Ga-Nozri to the Romans and other non-Israeli peoples.
        1. igor67
          igor67 23 November 2012 16: 28
          0
          GG2012,
          Yeshua Ga-Nozri, and Jesus Christ is translated into Russian, Nazarim, even in Hebrew, even as Arabic is translated as Christians, so that if Yeshua or Shuki existed, then Jesus existed in Russian, since this is one person or?
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 23 November 2012 16: 45
            +1
            Quote: igor67
            Yeshua Ga-Nozri, and in Russian Jesus Christ is translated,

            Well said so said ...
            For a connoisseur of Russian, I translate (literal translation) Yeshua ha-Nozri (ישוע הנוצרי) - Yeshua from Nazareth.
            Jesus Christ is a literary nickname (fictitious name, "drove") Ha-Nozri - a man who really existed and served as a platform (life material) for creating the image of Jesus Christ.
            1. igor67
              igor67 23 November 2012 17: 02
              0
              GG2012,
              Not Nazareth, but Nazareth, incorrect translation from English, there is no letter c. It is written h. I live here and I think I know a little, but you get knowledge from the Internet, come and chat with Christians, with priests, if that interests you so much, the name Miriam is in the article. Why, in Russian, Maria, Moses Moshe Michael, and so on, and Yeshua Jesus,

              GG2012,
              http://www.slovar.co.il/imena.php Почитайте происхождение имен
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 23 November 2012 16: 56
          -2
          GG2012,
          why not quietly study the Vedas and worship your gods (and there are many of them in the pagan pantheon, you can beat the tambourine for days on end).
          Why do we need these attempts to desecrate what is holy to others?
          Is this the very "struggle for the right to become the dominant group"?
        3. Uncle
          Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 05
          -1
          Quote: GG2012
          Jesus Christ, who never existed, is the result of literary work
          Even the Jews, who seem to have to hate Christians, did not stoop to such dirt as nonsense !!!
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 24 November 2012 01: 00
            0
            Quote: Uncle
            Even the Jews, who seem to have to hate Christians, did not stoop to such dirt as nonsense !!!

            Set yourself the goal: To understand this issue, cover yourself with books, and read, meditate, read, meditate ... until you figure it out.
            Everything written will be a lie. Literary lie.

            Likewise, you can believe in the hobbits of The Lord of the Ring.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 24 November 2012 14: 19
              +1
              Quote: GG2012
              Set yourself the goal: To understand this issue, cover yourself with books, and read, meditate, read, meditate ... until you figure it out.
              Everything written will be a lie. Literary lie.

              Apparently, this person knows what he is talking about.
              Let him confirm his dirty chatter with facts.
              Spread it out.
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 24 November 2012 15: 03
                0
                Quote: Flood
                Let him confirm his dirty chatter with facts.
                Spread it out.

                In what year was Jesus Christ born?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 24 November 2012 15: 05
                  +1
                  I asked for facts, not questions.
                  I think that it is not yet possible to name either the exact year or date of birth.
                  1. GG2012
                    GG2012 24 November 2012 15: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    I think that it is not yet possible to name either the exact year or date of birth.

                    And why? Have you thought about this? Why his alleged date of birth was allegedly calculated (or rather, simply stuck to the most suitable historical period) only in 525 AD
                    Why until 525, this question was blasphemy, desecration of the sacred, and criminally punished?
                    Why did not one of the so-called apostles (and in fact ordinary homeless people) who left literary works mention the date of their birth?
                    Why does the church retroactively appoint this date after 525 years (and even with a calculation error)?
                    Why has the church been methodically correcting the shortcomings of this literary work for 2000 years?
          2. Karish
            Karish 26 November 2012 08: 50
            +2
            Quote: Uncle
            Even Jews who seem to have to hate Christians,

            Strange, why should Jews hate Christians? Christian civilization is the greatest at the moment and has achieved the most outstanding successes, even in terms of the development of society, at least industry and technology. It is necessary to equal it. Hating Christians for being Christians is the same thing as hating Jews for being Jews or Muslims for being Muslims. There are good people, or bad ones - you need to figure this out, and not scratch everyone under one comb.
      2. Follow us
        Follow us 23 November 2012 14: 30
        +3
        Jesus, too, by human nature was a Jew, the Virgin, the apostles, the first Christians — all Jews, some, like the apostle Paul — Jews from the Jews. Christ was crucified by human pride.
        1. GG2012
          GG2012 23 November 2012 16: 20
          -2
          Quote: Siga
          Christ was crucified by human pride.

          Ga-Nozri was crucified by the Haanan family, by the hands of the Sanhedrin, because Ga-Nozri and his followers fought for the right to become the dominant group among other groups (the so-called inter-factional struggle, in modern language).
          According to the bottom line: Ga-Nozri suffered for the power to which he sought.

          Andrew! I respect you as a Slav (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian), but I am very upset that your apostles are Jews who hated and continue to hate you, me and our kind!
          1. Karish
            Karish 23 November 2012 17: 28
            0
            Quote: GG2012
            : Ga-Nozri suffered for the power he sought.

            Connoisseur of Christianity. Turn your pectoral cross over and see what it says INZI - Jesus the Nazarite King of Israel.
            . Jesus was always Nazarius in Russian transcription (from Nazareth), Some use Ga-Nozri (Hebrew transcription - Nazareth (Nazareth). That's all. By place of birth. Jesus Christ (Jesus from Nazareth - in Greek) nothing more.
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 14
              0
              Quote: Karish
              Jesus of Nazareth the King of Israel.
              Not quite so, the King of the Jews was written on a tablet nailed to the cross. Strange, but I, as a Christian, are not attacked by Jews, although they should, in my opinion, and it is the Russians who write all the crap, like brothers. "By their deeds you will know them."
              1. GG2012
                GG2012 24 November 2012 01: 03
                +1
                Quote: Uncle
                The king of Judea was written on a tablet nailed on the cross.

                Was there a cross at all?
                Ancient Jewish sources claim that Yeshua was hanged.
                1. Karish
                  Karish 24 November 2012 10: 41
                  0
                  Quote: GG2012
                  Ancient Jewish sources claim that Yeshua was hanged

                  What, if not a secret?
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 09
          -1
          Quote: Siga
          Christ was crucified by human pride.
          Outwardly, it seems so, in fact, the struggle of good and evil was and is going on, and the place of that struggle is the human heart. Christ is God, and no people can crucify him without his, God's will, this is a sacrifice for our sins, humanity, incomprehensible, like the Lord Himself.
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 24 November 2012 01: 05
            0
            Quote: Uncle
            it is a sacrifice for our sins, humanity, incomprehensible, as the Lord himself.

            A clinical case of blind fanaticism!
            Farewell! You can not help anything!
          2. Karish
            Karish 24 November 2012 10: 44
            -1
            Quote: Uncle
            Outwardly, it seems so, in fact, the struggle of good and evil was and is going on, and the place of that struggle is the human heart. Christ is God, and no people can crucify him without his, God's will, this is a sacrifice for our sins, humanity, incomprehensible, like the Lord Himself.

            Oddly enough, but the most reasonable answer. Has anyone ever wondered if there would have been a sacrifice of Christ, without the desire for that of God - the father.?
            Uncle wrote everything correctly, in theology it is God's providence. Without the sacrifice of God the son, there would have been no resurrection and no way shown to mankind along the road of faith. (+)
        3. Karish
          Karish 26 November 2012 08: 56
          +1
          Quote: Uncle
          did not stoop to such dirt, what nonsense !!!

          It’s just that this whole story is so close for us and the place where Jesus began, walked and preached - it’s all close, we take it much more calmly. Trusting the facts, and not fabrications and slander.
          All these slanders are from fear and misunderstanding. So many hundreds, if not thousands of years, are questions that many of you cannot understand and get answers. Jews are people who have preserved their language, culture and faith for thousands of years of persecution, slavery, attempts to destroy and vseravno survivor and not assimilated - it annoys many.
          But we want one thing - leave us alone and let us live in peace. Christians are not our enemies, Muslims are the same. Do not come to my house with the war and we will answer the same. But for our people, we fought and will fight to the end. We will not betray the history of the ancestors who survived in much worse situations, the Jews will not end on our generation and, God forbid, they will live (as they did) further.
          Before the arrival of the (mass) Jews, Palestine didn’t need anyone to fuck,
          -A god-forgotten corner,
          “The farther we drove, the fiercer the sun was burning and the surrounding area was spread out more and more rocky, bare, gloomy and gloomy terrain. Nowhere is a blade of grass or a bush. Even olives and cacti, faithful friends of the barren land, almost hatched in this land. In the world you will not find a landscape more dreary and joyless than the one that surrounds Jerusalem. The road differs from the desert along which it runs, only in that it is, perhaps, even more heavily strewn with stones. " With such sad words, Mark Twain describes the last kilometers on his way to the Holy City.

          And only when the Jews finally turned this place into a blooming garden - did everyone suddenly need it. This is the fear of Muslim leaders, and suddenly their people will begin to ask questions - why they (without natural resources) do this, and we do it with all this.
          The problem of a religious nature is the same to solve, not just why
          The oldest gates of Jerusalem, and the only ones leading directly to the Temple Mount. The existing gates were built in the area of ​​520, and the remains of substantially more ancient gates of the Second Temple period were found nearby.
          As the Book of the Prophet Ezekiel (44: 1-3) points out, “And the Lord said: these gates will be shut, they will not open, and no man will enter by them. For the Lord, the God of Israel, came in by them, and they will be shut. ”
          The widespread notion that the Messiah would enter through the Golden Gate led to the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent ordering that the gates be bricked up in 1541. In addition, Muslims located a cemetery in front of the gates, which in Judaism is considered an unclean place.

          They were immured back in 1541 and Muslim men were buried there with weapons (the only Muslim cemetery), so that upon the arrival of the Messiah and (the dead would rise to the judgment of God) these dead (Muslims would not allow the messiah to enter through the gates to Jerusalem. Even then, they were going to fight with us, even after the arrival of the Last Judgment. It is difficult to eradicate this, especially in some undeveloped sections of society that are at the level of tribal relations.
          Christianity (as a religion) has long crossed this line of anti-Semitism. Out of fear and misunderstanding, Islam will pass (as society develops), some undeveloped individuals remain, well, the family has its black sheep. Peace be with you, come and see - it’s better to see it once.
    2. mda
      mda 23 November 2012 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: ATATA
      I don’t know such a civilization.

      Because she is not
  13. logic
    logic 23 November 2012 11: 48
    +1
    Quote: dojjdik
    how to humiliate Arabs with weapons, religion has nothing to do with it

    I do not agree, religion plays a very important role. Naturally, this is primarily money (oil), but religion is the basis for how to take this money (oil) from someone.
    1. Islam
      Islam 23 November 2012 11: 57
      0
      Quote: logik
      religion is the basis of how to take this money (oil) from someone.

      religion is the foundation of the world, and the taking of money is racket I don’t think anyone will ever want these words to be synonymous
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 16
        -1
        Quote: Islam
        religion is the foundation of the world
        I agree, "man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that goes out of the mouth of God."
      2. urganov
        urganov 24 November 2012 21: 02
        0
        Islam,

        religion is the foundation of the world

        religion is the grave of the world.
    2. arkady149
      arkady149 23 November 2012 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: logik
      I do not agree, religion plays a very important role. Naturally, this is primarily money (oil), but religion is the basis for how to take this money (oil) from someone.

      I do not agree. Oil has been extracted at BV for 50-70 years, and religious wars have been going on for millennia.
  14. I. Brovkin
    I. Brovkin 23 November 2012 11: 52
    +2
    I don’t know such a civilization.

    Of course you do not know, because it does not exist in nature.
  15. Syric30
    Syric30 23 November 2012 11: 57
    +4
    Even the leaders of Iran hinted that Israel is a tumor or a little Saton. It needs to be destroyed. You see, the lumps did not like the fact that the Jews came to their lands after a thousand years. Jews will fight to the end. They have a fighting spirit like the defenders of Moscow and Stalingrad. If Muslims already present such claims, then let them leave Constantinople and return other lands from which they snatched out the peasants and Jews. Israel used to be even bigger than it is now, and the Jews themselves can "cleanse" their lands and increase their territory. The Arabs' talk about their land which they once appropriated is absurd.
  16. Igarr
    Igarr 23 November 2012 12: 34
    +3
    I look at all this ...
    Israel alone there ... fights ... "humanely", pointwise. Sometimes it hits the media.
    And then Hamas, and then Fatah. Al Qaeda for some reason imperceptibly? Or maybe I just don’t know. Just Egypt. It seems to me that the militants in Syria do not give a damn about which way to fight, they get sick - they will trample on Israel.
    But Israel is worth it.
    Here is a proverb - "that's why the pike is in the pond, so that the crucian does not sleep."
    We have such a "crucian" it turns out that the "pike" is easily put in the "krevedko" pose. Moreover, many "pikes".
    I like that.
    Even more is seen. Israel, in my opinion, could easily and simply solve the problem. In the style of "the final decision .... of the question." Moreover, they were some kind of teachers.
    Now do not allow .. world rules. Which zealously support .. our dear hegemon - USA.
    The USA will fall apart. Who will "keep and not let go"? Germany, England?
    Ludicrous France. Or Mother Russia?
    It was then ... and the "valuable fur animal" will come to someone.
    ...
    Reflections I don’t know how right I am. But, everything is strange.
  17. Flooding
    Flooding 23 November 2012 13: 11
    +2
    I read exactly to the phrase

    We see a clash of Muslim and Judeo-Christian civilizations

    Read more desire has disappeared. Did the author consciously use this provocative generalization?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 November 2012 14: 51
      +3
      Quote: Flood
      Did the author consciously use this provocative generalization?

      Of course! And I bet he's a Jew.
      1. bunta
        bunta 23 November 2012 15: 06
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        Of course! And I bet he's a Jew.

        I bet I’m a Catholic.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 23 November 2012 18: 14
          +2
          I bet on members .. - Alexander Samsonov.
          And before this article, publications were quite adequate.
          And what doesn’t suit you in this?
          ...
          And if anyone has doubts - just remember - where and from whom Jesus was born.
          Jews crucified him.
          And who removed it from the cross? I washed and mourned him - who? His doctrine of the world spread - who?
          Pope, or what?
          ...
          I want to add.
          I myself am a supporter of the theory of financial sciences. I will not say that an apologist. Supporter.
          So .... from this theory it follows that the Jews have nothing to do with it.
          And not only from the theory of financial science .... it follows.
          From Hidden Archeology, for example.
          .... just accepted.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 23 November 2012 18: 25
            0
            Quote: Igarr
            And if anyone has doubts - just remember - where and from whom Jesus was born.
            Jews crucified him.
            And who removed it from the cross? I washed and mourned him - who? His doctrine of the world spread - who?
            Pope, or what?

            You do not see the difference between Jews and Jews?
            And can followers of the teachings of Jesus be called Jews?
            1. Igarr
              Igarr 23 November 2012 18: 31
              0
              Strictly speaking, the Jews are followers of the Torah. Yahweh. Jehovah's.
              Jews are a nation.
              The followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ are Christians.
              But didn’t there be maroons in Spain? Who is this, you know?
              1. Igarr
                Igarr 23 November 2012 19: 11
                0
                Then I made a mistake in the word. Not maroons - marrans.
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 23 November 2012 19: 20
                +1
                Return to the quote of your words. And try to explain this time what you wanted to convey.
                1. Igarr
                  Igarr 23 November 2012 19: 36
                  -2
                  I wanted to convey ...
                  Mary is the mother of Jesus; she is Jewish in the community. They are trying to tell that there is an Aramaic, a Greek, who else. But if nowhere in the Scripture is SPECIALLY declared about belonging to a nation, it remains to think that she was an indigenous woman. Jewess, in short. Religion - I don’t know. But, on the basis of the former, a Jew.
                  A father named Joseph ... a carpenter. But who is he interested in, in principle.
                  Let the pigeon be one of the parents. The dove has one nation - the dove. Or there is an angel.
                  But, since among Jews the nation is considered by mother (which is generally true) - then who is Jesus?
                  There was John the Baptist on the Jordan River.
                  We will not say that it was a Mongol?
                  Further ... Jesus, I doubt that they were citizens of Rome. Or Egypt. So who?
                  ...
                  So out of these twelve, only four left notes - the Gospel. We will not talk about crypts?
                  And from these four Gospels all the Holy Scriptures went. All faith.
                  And faith does not require nations.
                  ..
                  And all business.
                  Need to explain something else?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 23 November 2012 19: 54
                    -1
                    Quote: Igarr
                    And all business.
                    Need to explain something else?

                    Ignoring the behavior, which alas began to be met all the time, I try to reach out the following: no one disputes with you about the nationality of Jesus.
                    I ask, to paraphrase, with whom you argue and for what.
                    Although no, it does not interest me anymore.
                    1. Igarr
                      Igarr 23 November 2012 19: 56
                      -1
                      Well then everything is all right.
                      I do not understand you, you are me.
                  2. Uncle
                    Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 20
                    -2
                    Igor, don’t need taunts to the Holy Spirit, do not be like Pussy Wright. Why do you need a sin for the soul?
                    1. GG2012
                      GG2012 24 November 2012 01: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Uncle
                      no taunts to the Holy Spirit,

                      Can I have his address, email or a page in Nete?
                      Do you realize what you are saying?
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 November 2012 11: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Can I have his address, email or a page in Nete?
                        Do you realize what you are saying?


                        Just you do not give the report.
                        There are no answers to your very specific questions.
                        What Uncle wrote is a simple and obvious truth.
                        But that’s the complexity of our life, that sometimes we don’t notice it.
                      2. GG2012
                        GG2012 24 November 2012 13: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        But that’s the complexity of our life, that sometimes we don’t notice it.

                        Did you get a Romanian passport and the truth of life descended on you?
                        Tell me what you specifically said?
                        Quote: Flood
                        this is a simple and obvious truth.

                        What does this expression mean?
                        Let's get into a debate. Prove your point to me. Do you have any arguments? Or are you ... gone to the wind.
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 November 2012 14: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Did you get a Romanian passport and the truth of life descended on you?
                        Tell me what you specifically said?

                        Especially for you, ignorant. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation.
                        Further, in essence, your question, so to speak.
                        The meaning of human life comes down to very simple truths.
                        Which we constantly violate, complicating our lives.
                        Piling mountains of far-fetched false rules on their shoulders in order to justify their lawlessness and give it the appearance of justice.
                    2. Igarr
                      Igarr 25 November 2012 15: 26
                      -1
                      I saw the redness ... I decided to return and see what kind of business.
                      ...
                      Let's start in order.
                      I am Orthodox, baptized.
                      Taunts to the address of faith - I am not going to let go. All that has been said above does not concern any side of faith. Only an interpretation of some events. Read it more thoughtfully - and the question will be removed.
                      ..
                      And if he gave us a free will? What for?
                      That we as parrots in a cage hollow the same?
                      The main thing is not to sell your soul!
                      I hope that so far everything is in order with my soul.
                      ...
                      At the same time he drew attention to a significant stylistic revision. I wrote a little differently.
                      Now it turns out - categorically. I wrote - presumably.
                  3. Karish
                    Karish 24 November 2012 10: 47
                    -2
                    Quote: Igarr
                    So out of these twelve, only four left notes - the Gospel

                    All the apostles (even Judas) left the gospels, but only 4 were canonized.
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 23 November 2012 18: 39
            +2
            Quote: Igarr
            himself a supporter of the theory of fiN. I will not say that an apologist. Supporter.

            I also consider myself to be supporters of FinN. They chose the right direction, it is not entirely possible to agree, but these are nuances.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 23 November 2012 19: 57
              -1
              Quote: baltika-18
              They chose the right direction, it is not entirely possible to agree, but these are nuances.

              Plus or minus half a thousand or a thousand years, abolish one empire, erase another ...
              Rewrite historical personalities ...
              All these are the nuances.
              Yes, understand that the whole commercial project is built on these nuances.
              Not a single serious scientist with such speed scribbles global works like FiN. Because it is a colossal job. But not in the case of financial and financial issues.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 23 November 2012 20: 22
                +1
                Quote: Flood
                Not a single serious scientist with such speed scribbles global works like FiN. Because it is a colossal job. But not in the case of financial and financial issues.

                Fomenko has been dealing with this issue since 1973.
                Quote: Flood
                Yes, understand that the whole commercial project is built on these nuances.

                A classic story is not a commercial project?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 23 November 2012 21: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Fomenko has been dealing with this issue since 1973.

                  Sorry, but quite reputable scientists have been studying a region chosen for attention in a certain time range for decades. This is a deep study and analysis.
                  And Fomenko has already managed to rewrite the history of both Europe and Russia, and you know better what else ..
  18. mamba
    mamba 23 November 2012 13: 13
    -8
    the Jewish state has a very important function. Jews attract the attention of the Arab world, and those Arab passionaries who could wage a subversive war against European and Russian civilizations are occupied by Israel. ... Israel is a kind of advanced outpost that holds back the onslaught of the newly awakening Islamic world.
    Historical parallels come to mind. There was once a neighbor in Kievan Rus in the east. Aggressive, insidious and vile. He strove to attack from under the silence, to hit in the back, to rob, to steal away. And the Jews ruled it. And this state was called - the Khazar Kaganate. And so they got that Prince Svyatoslav finally resolved this issue.
    It just got worse. When the kaganate that restrained the nomads collapsed, innumerable hordes poured into Russia: Pechenegs, Polovtsy, Tatar-Mongols. And Russia washed her blood, and then Europe received her.
    Still, in the theory of checks and balances, so beloved BN, there is something.
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 23 November 2012 13: 44
      +4
      Quote: mamba
      When the kaganate that restrained the nomads collapsed, innumerable hordes poured into Russia: Pechenegs, Polovtsy, Tatar-Mongols. And Russia washed her blood, and then Europe received her.

      This is a new look at the story!
      Directly, - "Thanks to the Khazar Kaganate, for our quiet life !!!"
      ... And what, before the liquidation of the Khazar Kaganate as a legal entity, there were no raids on Kievan Rus? There were no clashes?
      And further. Look at the maps of the period where the Kaganate was located and where the nomads, Pechenegs, Polovtsy lived ... which the Kaganate supposedly held back.
      1. mamba
        mamba 23 November 2012 15: 18
        -5
        Read my post again, but not diagonally, but in its entirety. And then you will find answers to your questions about the raids and about the "quiet life".
        As for the screening function, the Haganate regularly performed it all the time of its existence from the 6th century, stopping the continuous flow of nomads who traveled from Asia to Europe before the start of the Great Migration. This is even stated in Wik.
        At the beginning of the 9th century, this Great Migration began. First, the Hungarians, then in the eighties the Pechenegs, followed by the Oguzes, the black Bulgars tyrannized the khaganate. In the 10th century, the Rusichs, led by Syatoslav, and then with Vladimir, actually defeated him. In the 11th century, the Polovtsy completely erased it from history. And the path from Asia to Europe opened for a long time.
    2. Arkan
      Arkan 23 November 2012 16: 22
      +7
      I spread it in a neighboring topic, and I’ll probably post it here .------- In 1946, Irgun members staged an explosion at the British headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which killed 91 people. Two years later, the group launched an attack on the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin, where about 200 Arabs were killed. Begin claimed that in both cases warnings were made about the attack. The British authorities called him "No. 1 terrorist." Later, in an interview to the remark that Begin, like Arafat, is a terrorist, he replied: “Yes, I am a terrorist. But he is a bandit! ”
      http://www.jjew.ru/index.php?cnt=8964
      (Jewish Journal. Article by Menachem Begin, “Terrorist No. 1”)

      ... the seventh Prime Minister of Israel from June 1977 to 1983, Nobel Peace Prize winner (1978) In the 1940s, the head of the Jewish underground organization Irgun .... Wiki
      This is one of the reasons for "Islamic terrorism" - they only answer the Jews with terror on terror. By the way, can you name at least one Islamic terrorist, for example, in the Russian Empire? I can't, but you can safely say - the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the Empire was organized by the Jews. Do not confuse cause and effect, there would be no Israel, there would be no Islamic terrorists. Israel is diligently trying to embroil the whole world with its enemies, for this, and strive to control the media, probably on this site the majority of Jews " do not sit from nefig ".
  19. Flooding
    Flooding 23 November 2012 13: 27
    0
    Quote: mamba
    When the kaganate that restrained the nomads collapsed, innumerable hordes poured into Russia

    The history of relations between Russia and the Khazars is not complete without another participant - Byzantium.
    Read from Gumilyov:
    The Jewish government of Khazaria was hostile to Christian Byzantium.
    The Khazars, as we already know, used Russian troops in the Caspian campaigns and, of course, in the wars against the Greeks. A large campaign against the Romans was made in 941. And again the Byzantine fleet burned the boats of the Slavs and Rus with "Greek fire". But the Khazar government was also satisfied with this outcome: after all, the forces of Byzantium on the Black Sea were shackled by this struggle. And since in Asia Minor the Greeks had to fight Muslims, the Khazar Kaganate turned out to be the hegemon in Eastern Europe
    .

    Now you can see a more complete picture. All parties to the conflict are there. And I rather see in Byzantium the very outpost against the nascent forces of hostile Russia.
  20. dmb
    dmb 23 November 2012 13: 51
    +2
    "The sun is beating down, God is bored. The Tutsis are cutting bhootas. How do they distinguish which one of them is from." Shenderovich, by the way. It's a pity for children, they have no nationality. But here's the funny thing. The irreconcilable enmity did not prevent Berezovsky from sponsoring Basayev, and the Saudis and Qataris did not tear their anus much in defense of the fraternal Arab Palestinian people.
  21. Flooding
    Flooding 23 November 2012 14: 01
    +1
    Quote: dmb
    Irreconcilable hostility did not prevent Berezovsky from sponsoring Basayev

    As the United States, now sculpting a friend of Israel, did not interfere in its time, build close relations with the German National Socialists. Apparently, we are missing something, or rather we don’t know.
  22. sapulid
    sapulid 23 November 2012 14: 31
    +2
    As always, comments are more meaningful than the article itself.

    To begin with, the ancient Jewish state did exist on Israeli territory. Denying this is stupid, for there are archaeological finds. By the will of fate, it was destroyed, and the people are scattered throughout the wide world. I know the story, but I will not retell. After many centuries of loss of the homeland, a movement was created for the return to the historical homeland, which was supported by the leading powers of the world. The Arabs, from the beginning, were not opposed, because the desert is huge. However, when gardens began to grow from the desert, and the settlers themselves claimed their rights to manage the territorial entities they created, the Arabs decided to expel the latter, at the same time appropriating everything that they created. Arabs supported the USSR, and America, respectively, Israel. This warrior will never stop, because both parties declare title to land. Unfortunately, there is no mechanism for international resolution of such disputes.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 23 November 2012 14: 52
      0
      Quote: sapulid
      Arabs supported the USSR, and America, respectively, Israel.

      Not exactly. The USSR supported the emergence of Israel and weapons and people and political levers.
      The more openly the Soviet Union supported the Zionists, the more desperate the American administration resisted the idea of ​​creating a Jewish state in Palestine. The most influential opponents of the Zionists in Washington were two people, on whom, in fact, depended on the position of the United States: Secretary of State George Marshall and Secretary of Defense James Forrestal. They feared that the Arab countries would sway toward Russia and that America would be left without Middle Eastern oil.

      Read more: http://mishmar.info/rol-sssr-i-stalina-v-sozdanii-gosudarstva-izrail-chast-trety
      a.html
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 23 November 2012 18: 31
        -2
        Put a plus for clarification. It’s hard for me to type a lot on the virtual keyboard, moving the cursor to each letter. Thank you for completing.
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 25 November 2012 15: 37
        0
        Vladimir, I just can’t understand you.
        Now for, then against ...
        Then you throw at me .... then it turns out to be even more to the right of me.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 24 November 2012 14: 41
      0
      sapulid
      the ancient Jewish state really existed on Israeli territory .... it was destroyed, and the people are scattered throughout the wide world.


      Somehow it’s not logical.
      Why only the Jews scattered, other defeated peoples assimilated or remained living on the conditions proposed by the winner.
  23. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 23 November 2012 14: 51
    +2
    Semites and ... Semites. Conflict within one, so to speak, civilization.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 23 November 2012 14: 58
      -4
      Quote: Andriuha077
      Semites and ... Semites. Conflict within one, so to speak, civilization.

      The seven-speaking peoples are similar only in that the languages ​​come from one. Semitic group. If Hebrew and Arabic are related languages, this does not mean that Ashkenaz Jews are a relative of the Libyan. Send from Sim, but since then a lot of water has flowed
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 25 November 2012 15: 40
        0
        Hee hee ...
        Ashkenazi and Sephardim, eh?
        some are white, others are black, huh?
        One nation.
        A nation, but where are you going?
        Only there is no conflict .. nations. Namely - civilizational.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 25 November 2012 15: 56
          -1
          Not a nation. and the sect, or rather, the extremist sect ...
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 25 November 2012 20: 56
            0
            How can you guys, Jewish friends, know how to stir up everything ...
            Marvel to be given ...
            Well, I'm not yavre, huh?
            I’d live right now ... in Buenos Aires ... and I wouldn’t blow it ...
            Know the current ... by the Internet ... unsubscribe.
  24. gregor6549
    gregor6549 23 November 2012 15: 13
    +3
    We’re not arguing about that. A much more serious conflict is brewing between the Muslim world and everything else. The conflict between Israel and its entourage is just a "test of the pen". And the whole world, including Russia, is already testing its strength with this "pen". By the way, the conflict between Jews and Arabs in Palestine first took on a threatening scale and shape after the Sheikh of Jerusalem during World War II received carte blanche, big money and Adolf Hitler's blessing for the "final solution of the Jewish question" in Palestine. Since then, his followers have been trying to resolve this issue, especially since they pay much better for it than for any creative work. And this process is unlikely to ever end, tk. too many "disinterested" individuals and entire states have been and remain interested in the fact that this conflict never ends. Under the guise of someone's war, it is always easier to solve their own selfish personal interests, called the "national interests" of this or that state, where these individuals are found. Everything else is a blizzard and bullshit
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 November 2012 18: 33
      +4
      Quote: gregor6549
      Not argue about that.

      I completely agree with this opinion.
      In general, the opinion of many Russians on the site is astounding,
      found friends of the Arabs, can remember how the Egyptians betrayed and much more, or forgot the Chechen war, or someone believes that the Chechens muddied the war in the 90s, there was no cradle of Wahhabism without Saudi Arabia.
      Choosing allies between Israel and the Arabs, I would put on Israel.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 28
        -1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Choosing allies between Israel and the Arabs, I would put on Israel.

        Does Russia have any allies? Or do you offer the best of the worst?
      2. ximik1980
        ximik1980 24 November 2012 00: 11
        -1
        bet, bet on Berezovsky with Abvorovich, and you will be happy smile
        And we better put on people.
    2. sapulid
      sapulid 23 November 2012 18: 47
      0
      A bit inaccurate. Hitler really used the enmity of religions. It's right. But, the mass of Muslims, such as Kazakhs, Tatars, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc. (I apologize to the unmentioned) do not want to participate in this squabble.
      Thus, we are talking about the radical currents of Islam. Please do not confuse these two separate camps with different goals and objectives. If you know at least something about Orthodoxy, Catholicism, Protestantism, Baptism, the Irish Church, the Anglican, etc., then what do you know about the Islamic faith?
      It is because of superficially judging authors that a warrior of civilizations arises.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 26
        -2
        Quote: sapulid
        If, you know at least something about Orthodoxy, Catholicism, Protestantism, Baptism, the Irish Church, the Anglican, etc.,
        Gregorians forgot .... smile
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 25 November 2012 21: 03
          0
          Yeah ...
          we’ll begin to consider sects ... Lykovs ... generally separately turned ...
          The breadth of views ... does not mean at all - the width !!!
          Width - i.e. cross section - .. ORTHODOX.
          Plus ... 30 percent - ISLAM.
          All .... there is nothing else. Except as a single ... Baptists there, Lutherans ...
          ...
          Do not ... open your mouth wider ... than the joints allow.
          Otherwise, the jaw can be lost.
  25. George
    George 23 November 2012 15: 23
    +2
    After all, God in anger deprived the Jews of the state. Apparently I missed the moment when he forgave them
  26. zmey
    zmey 23 November 2012 15: 39
    -3
    As long as Israel will use Arabs on "its" territory in low-paid and unprestigious jobs and maintain Arab enclaves, the war will go on for a very long time.
    A puppeteer will profit!

    I wonder where (or who) gave this name to the nation "Arab", it reads very provocatively "A, Slave!"

    Using genocide, ethnic cleansing, or squeezing out the Arab population in a neighboring country (cross out the unnecessary) with the simultaneous democratization of borders with neighboring states, the Israelis will do better.
    1. Karish
      Karish 23 November 2012 17: 34
      +3
      Quote: zmey

      As long as Israel will use Arabs on "its" territory in low-paid and unprestigious jobs and maintain Arab enclaves, the war will go on for a very long time.

      Have you been to Israel? Come to the Arab village. I always drive through their villages and say one thing - these are houses in which we will never live. Ruble is resting.
      Quote: zmey
      I wonder where (or who) gave this name to the nation "Arab", it reads very provocatively "A, Slave!"

      Of course . all spoke Russian fool Arabi (Hebrew, Arabic) from the name Arabian Peninsula - where they came from.

      Quote: zmey
      Using genocide, ethnic cleansing, or squeezing out the Arab population in a neighboring country (cross out the unnecessary) with the simultaneous democratization of borders with neighboring states, the Israelis will do better.

      fool No comment.
      1. igor67
        igor67 23 November 2012 17: 39
        +1
        Karish,
        Sanych, but how to go to Eilat from the Dead Sea, where there is a border with Jordan, if only to see once our border guard or Jordanian or we demarcated them, I barely uttered the word,
        1. Karish
          Karish 23 November 2012 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: igor67
          Sanych, but how to go to Eilat from the Dead Sea, where there is a border with Jordan, if only to see once our border guard or Jordanian or we demarcated them, I barely uttered the word,

          I didn’t see it either, when I was traveling from Eilat, a couple of times the Egyptian towers, and in Eilat, you know, the border begins on a mountain 70 meters from the Nesikha hotel
          Yes, and 3 weeks ago I was on the Syrian near Kuneitra, the same damn no one laughing
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 23 November 2012 19: 53
      -2
      Arabs seek low-paid jobs in Israel. Because even the lowest paid job in Israel is about one and a half to two average salaries in Russia. And two to three average salaries in the West Bank.

      Because of this, Thais and Filipinos are actively traveling to Israel, and Africans are illegally trying to enter. In terms of living, Israel is a European country. But the states surrounding him are not.
  27. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 23 November 2012 16: 06
    +3
    The "Jewish" question is the key issue of our civilization, its final solution will give rise to a completely different civilization, qualitatively different ...
    In the meantime, everything revolves around solving only this issue ...
    The author is fundamentally wrong when he claims that Israel protects the interests of "our" civilization from Islam - completeness, dear man, these are not "ours", and Israel does not protect anyone's interests, except for their own, not much different from ordinary fascism in our understanding ! On the contrary, he still seeks to make us sacrifice our own interests!
    I am convinced that the current confrontation is beneficial for both Israelis and Arabs, not those, of course, who die under the bombs, but their ruling circles, because apart from the war they cannot offer anything intelligible to their people ...
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 November 2012 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      The "Jewish" question is the key issue of our civilization, its final solution will give rise to a completely different civilization, qualitatively different.

      And this question was created artificially. It began to be created in the 17th century, and finally took shape in 1948. Plus, brother. Look at the root.
    2. Edouard
      Edouard 23 November 2012 18: 58
      +2
      ... because apart from war they cannot offer anything intelligible to their peoples ...

      By the way, you can offer everyone to fulfill almost one single commandment - DO NOT KILL or love your neighbor as yourself. With whom we are all familiar. Maybe we can try now?
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 31
        +1
        Edouard,
        Quote: Edouard
        love your neighbor as yourself. With whom we are all familiar. Can we try right now?
        Many come here for controversy, and not for fraternal love, unfortunately ....
  28. Setrac
    Setrac 23 November 2012 16: 32
    0
    It is believed that Christianity originated in Egypt, and the ancient history of the Middle East was drained from the finger.
    Byzantium, the Khazar Khaganate, the Roman Empire - when you understand that history is an instrument of propaganda and there is not a drop of truth in it.
    1. Karish
      Karish 23 November 2012 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      It is believed that Christianity originated in Egypt, and the ancient history of the Middle East was drained from the finger.
      Byzantium, the Khazar Khaganate, the Roman Empire - when you understand that history is an instrument of propaganda and there is not a drop of truth in it.

      And Russia is the birthplace of elephants. But there is such an opinion. Here, even one very thoroughly tried to prove it.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 23 November 2012 19: 41
        +1
        And where do you think the elephants came from? The ancestors of the elephants lived not in India and not in Africa, but in Siberia and Canada, you hit the sky with your finger, Russia is the real homeland of elephants in a direct sense.
        1. Karish
          Karish 23 November 2012 19: 49
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          Russia is the real homeland of elephants in a direct sense.

          Here I am about that fool
          Elephants are the only surviving representatives of the ancient group of proboscis that inhabited the once most land, except Australia. Its oldest known representative is the meritrium (Moeritherium), a small animal with a slightly longer nose than that of tapir, described from finds of the Upper Eocene and Early Oligocene age in the Nile Valley in Egypt. Palaeoloxodon antiquus lived in Southern Europe and North Africa during the Pleistocene, a huge elephant at the withers 4,3 m high. Many of the primitive proboscis disappeared only 15 years ago, and a man from the Paleolithic era captured them on the walls of caves.
        2. Rumata
          Rumata 23 November 2012 19: 53
          -1
          Quote: Setrac
          And where do you think the elephants came from? The ancestors of the elephants lived not in India and not in Africa, but in Siberia and Canada, you hit the sky with your finger, Russia is the real homeland of elephants in a direct sense.



          I will add

          1. Setrac
            Setrac 23 November 2012 19: 59
            0
            Soviet elephants are the most elephant elephants in the world !!! soldier
            -Buy our elephants !!! -
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 23 November 2012 20: 04
              -1
              Quote: Setrac
              Soviet elephants are the most elephant elephants in the world !!!

              You have not answered for mammoths !!! Here they lived in your North did not bother, and disappeared. How so? Ate?
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 23 November 2012 20: 45
                +3
                Well, mammoths, still not people, but where did the Slav Slavs go? Ate too? Here it is the bestial nature of the Germanic peoples.
                Try to go to Taimyr, try to live there without grieving. You will die out right away.
              2. Arkan
                Arkan 26 November 2012 17: 46
                +1
                Quote: Rumata
                Here they lived in your North did not bother, and disappeared. How so? Ate?

                Still eating laughing , in the Permafrost remarkably preserved!
        3. Arkan
          Arkan 26 November 2012 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          Russia is the real homeland of elephants in a direct sense

          And the rhinos we ran. This summer I found a skull of a woolly rhinoceros in the Seym river (I brag). fellow
  29. Lustrator
    Lustrator 23 November 2012 18: 07
    +1
    Israel, most likely, plays the role of a stimulator of the activity of radical Islamists, and not an outpost of the Western world. Perhaps the Israelis play a very important role for the United States and the EU ridge - the WB, France, Germany, Italy: they consolidate radical Islamists, who later, having learned it, can be set against Iran (in Syria they will go crazy).
    The author should not so surely deny the ability of the Arab peoples to form a strong secular (or other) state - Western countries have intervened and intervened so much.
    Perhaps Israel itself is interested in the activities of militants that undermine secular Arab states. But Turkey is more interested in this. Let's see what happens next.
    1. Karish
      Karish 23 November 2012 18: 38
      0
      Quote: Lustrator
      Perhaps the Israelis play a very important role for the United States and the EU ridge - the WB, France, Germany, Italy: they consolidate radical Islamists, who later, having learned it, can be set against Iran (in Syria they will go crazy).

      And so they have been trained for 60 years laughing for Iran? And OOP and others (for which there was a whole military school in Semfiropol) - did they train the same for Iran?
  30. Edouard
    Edouard 23 November 2012 19: 02
    -3
    The war will end at the battle, which is called Armagedon at the end of time. There is already a bit left. And God himself gave the land to Israel for eternal possession. So here the battle is not between people, but between God (True God) and Satan. In this last battle against Israel will be pulled together by a lot of states, including Russia. But the Lord will conquer and protect his people. Read the Old and New Testaments, everything is laid out on shelves, very interesting and most importantly, all this is TRUTH

    Quote: Brother Sarich
    because apart from war they cannot offer anything intelligible to their peoples ...

    By the way, you can offer everyone to fulfill almost one single commandment - DO NOT KILL or love your neighbor as yourself. With whom we are all familiar. Maybe we can try now?
    1. Karish
      Karish 23 November 2012 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: Edouard
      The war will end at the battle called Armagedon

      Armageddon, this is the place where Wadi Milek (Milek Gorge) enters the Valley of Israel. By the name of Ar Megido (Mount Megido).
      At the end of this large field is Mount Tavor (to which the Messiah must descend), then a battle of good and evil will take place in this field. and then he (the Messiah) by Wadi Milek straight, on a white horse to Jerusalem.
      So there I drive (through Armageddon) well, at least once a week
      Calm down, no preparations for the battle have yet been observed.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 23 November 2012 20: 04
        -3
        I visited in those places. Nice terrain.
    2. GG2012
      GG2012 23 November 2012 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: Edouard
      And God himself gave the land to Israel to eternal possession.

      And is there a title deed? Or maybe a bilateral agreement?
      You, God's chosen comrade, interrupts Petrosyan! You should be in "Full House" ... to make people laugh!
      The Russian Empire and the USSR mined their lands in battle, and to you, as always ... on the ball!
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 24 November 2012 12: 01
        -2
        Quote: GyGy2012
        The Russian Empire and the USSR mined their lands in battle

        That one? Orthodox?
        1. GG2012
          GG2012 24 November 2012 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Flood
          That one? Orthodox?

          What did you mean?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 November 2012 14: 28
            0
            It is possible that you should not resort to examples, the very essence of which contradicts your worldview. But only if this example is indicative of negative.
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 23 November 2012 23: 33
      0
      Quote: Edouard
      And God himself gave the land to Israel to eternal possession.
      Not the state of Israel in its modern form.
    4. Arkan
      Arkan 24 November 2012 05: 46
      +3
      Quote: Edouard
      The war will end at the battle, which is called Armagedon at the end of time. There is already a bit left. And God himself gave the land to Israel for eternal possession. So here the battle is not between people, but between God (True God) and Satan. In this last battle against Israel will be pulled together by a lot of states, including Russia. But the Lord will conquer and protect his people. Read the Old and New Testaments, everything is laid out on shelves, very interesting and most importantly, all this is TRUTH

      laughing laughing laughing
      I believe that such a war will begin with the Jews being read their rights: “You can remain silent, we are tired of your chatter. You have the right to one phone call to God ... laughing
  31. baltika-18
    baltika-18 23 November 2012 19: 27
    +4
    Quote: Edouard
    between God (True God) and Satan. In this last battle against Israel, a lot of states will be pulled together, including Russia. But the Lord will conquer and protect his people.

    I’m very interested in what you’ll say if it suddenly turns out that the name of the god is not Yahweh or Jehovah, but suppose Vasya, Petya or Vanya. And what is written in the Testaments is a lie from beginning to end.
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 23 November 2012 23: 21
      +4
      Quote: baltika-18
      And what is written in the Covenants is a lie from beginning to end.

      Nikolay! You +++
      good good good
      Quote: baltika-18
      I’m very interested in what you’ll say if it suddenly turns out that the name of the god is not Yahweh or Jehovah, but suppose Vasya, Petya or Vanya.

      Jewish "academicians" will briefly explain to the whole world that Vasya in Hebrew is Yahweh. And that's what they meant for all 2000 years.
      hi
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 24 November 2012 12: 04
        0
        baltika-18 и GG2012,
        You have found each other, and I am very glad of this circumstance.
        Maybe now you will leave all the dirt that Orthodoxy is being watered in your personal correspondence? And stop insulting the feelings of Russian people?
        The hand does not rise to minus your posts.
        This is your destiny.
        1. GG2012
          GG2012 24 November 2012 13: 38
          -1
          Quote: Flood
          now you are all the dirt that Orthodoxy is watered

          What kind of dirt are you talking about?
          It seems that the Jewish way of blaming those who are not comfortable with something has been passed on to Christians. Feels a single Jewish matrix.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 November 2012 14: 29
            0
            I am not going to quote such statements.
            If you don’t know, be ignorant.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 24 November 2012 13: 15
      -1
      Quote: baltika-18
      I’m very interested in what you’ll say if it suddenly turns out that the name of God is not Yahweh or Jehovah

      Do the Orthodox turn to a god by name?
      In the Orthodox book the Lord is written.
      And such an appeal, in my opinion, is very significant.
      1. GG2012
        GG2012 24 November 2012 14: 07
        -2
        Quote: Flood
        In the Orthodox book the Lord is written.

        Is there anything new in the history of religion?
        What are these Orthodox books? Enlighten please!
        Is the Bible Orthodox?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 24 November 2012 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: GG2012
          What are these Orthodox books? Enlighten please!

          There are a great many Orthodox books.
          Unfortunately, I am familiar with a small number of them.
          And in any of them the appeal to God is the Lord.
          When translated into Russian or Church Slavonic Bibles from the original, not the name is also transmitted, but "Lord".
          If you need links to resources with Orthodox literature, I can help.
          But I'm afraid this is not the case.
          1. GG2012
            GG2012 24 November 2012 14: 49
            -4
            Quote: Flood
            If you need links to resources with Orthodox literature, I can help.

            Let's call a spade a spade.
            The literature that you have in mind: the character is religious-Jewish, the content is mythological, the focus is anti-Slavic (that is, destroying natural self-identification).
    3. Karish
      Karish 25 November 2012 21: 21
      +1
      Quote: baltika-18
      I’m very interested in what you’ll say if it suddenly turns out that the name of the god is not Yahweh or Jehovah, but suppose Vasya, Petya or Vanya. And what is written in the Testaments is a lie from beginning to end.

      If the Old Testament has such a problem, then what about the New? He is flesh from the flesh of the Old.
      Yahweh or Jehovah, but suppose Vasya, Petya or Vanya.

      Origin of names
      Ivan
      Meaning of the name Ivan
      This name has the old form John of Hebrew origin, meaning `Yahweh (God) had mercy, had mercy on`.


  32. Setrac
    Setrac 23 November 2012 19: 56
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    Dear Insurgent, you are right as always, Moscow is occupied by the Jewish oligarchic elite. In Russia, Russians are an indigenous population, and the rest are newcomers. Remember how the Jewish Autonomous Okrug appeared. Are they also an indigenous population? The rest of the republics appeared exactly the same.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 November 2012 22: 11
      -3
      Prokhorov is not a Jew, Alisher Usmanov, Uzbek, you are all Jewish
  33. Rubik
    Rubik 24 November 2012 03: 30
    -1
    Enough in the articles to repeat about the collapse of the United States, it’s ridiculous already, the seriousness of this resource is being questioned. As if not professional journalists work, but agitation brigades.

    As for Israel, the conflict with the Arab world is immortal, I'm afraid we will observe this confrontation for more than a dozen years.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 24 November 2012 11: 11
      -2
      To whom the war and to whom and mother, native of the United States and the Soviet Union, piled up piles of technology aviation, armored vehicles
  34. Boris55
    Boris55 24 November 2012 12: 27
    +3
    All according to plan.
    We read the "Holy Book of All Times and Peoples" - the Bible.
    Deuteronomy:
    4.1 So, Israel, listen to the decrees and laws that I [today] teach you to follow so that you may live [and multiply] and go and inherit the land that the Lord God of your fathers gives you [as an inheritance];
    23.19 Don’t give to your brother (by context - Jew) in growth neither silver, nor bread, nor anything else that can be given to growth;
    23.20 give to a foreigner (i.e., non-Jew) to growth, and do not give to your brother to growth, so that the Lord your God (i.e. the devil, if you look at the essence of recommendations in good faith) bless you in everything that is done by your hands on the land you go to take possession of it ”;
    28.12 and you will lend to many nations, but you yourself will not borrow [and you will dominate many nations, but they will not dominate you]
    Book of the Prophet Isaiah:
    60.10 Then the sons of foreigners will build your walls, and their kings will serve you; ...
    60.11 And ​​your gates will be opened, they will not be closed day or night, so that the wealth of the nations may be brought to you, and their kings will be brought.
    60.12 For the nations and kingdoms that do not want to serve you will perish, and such nations will be completely destroyed. ”
  35. Cat
    Cat 26 November 2012 17: 10
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    as soon as different nations and peoples arose, friction, hostility, and even enmity immediately appeared between them.
    Somewhere they do not like Russians. Somewhere Germans. Somewhere accused, Spaniards or Swedes. Some people hate Georgians, Aizers, and other Armenians. In some places, the Chinese should not appear, in some places - the Japanese. To avoid. Elsewhere, Arabs, or Negroes, or Turks, or a damn thing still can’t stand it.
    But.
    There are two nations that are unloved everywhere и all.
    This is gypsiesand the Jews.

    And whatever the trends about anti-Seminism, Nazism, chauvinism and other politically incorrect nasties - the fact remains: universal dislike could not arise from scratch. And that means they deserve it, they have earned such an attitude. And they continue to earn money - years go by, generations change, but universal dislike (and even outright hatred) remains.

    Such a historical fact. Nothing personal.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 26 November 2012 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: Cat
      as soon as different nations and peoples arose, friction, hostility, and even enmity immediately appeared between them

      That's right! All people are different, and in order to get along in peace and harmony, common rules of behavior are developed (you can call them anything you like: morality, concepts, etiquette, UN charters ...) Those who refuse to follow them believing themselves to be dislike special ..
    2. Beck
      Beck 27 November 2012 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: Cat
      There are two nations that are unloved everywhere and by everyone. These are gypsies and Jews.


      Well, Jews were not fond of between the 2000 and 1400-year-old propaganda of the rejection of competing churches - Christian and Islamic. Simplifying, in Christianity from Judah. In Islam, from the fact that Muhammad took Judaism for himself and altered it somewhat, he began to consider himself the most true and last prophet from God. (Jewish).

      Gypsies are not loved for their free lifestyle. Because they do not have the concept of Homeland, which all other peoples have. Hence the rest.

      In general, a paradox, the closest peoples, both by origin and language, cannot get along with each other. On the example of the CIS. Russians and Ukrainians. Ukrainians and Poles. etc. And all this because of centuries of accumulating small grievances that over time grew into hostility.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 27 November 2012 16: 43
        +2
        The Jews have been hated since they were imbued with the idea of ​​the Levites about their chosenness of God. It would be more accurate to say that the Jews hated the environment, imbued with the ideas of the Levites, and received a response from the environment. But as for the rest: during the formation of states, individual tribes and principalities often fought for primacy , later - the states fought among themselves ... The Jews chose a different path - by usurpation of power (convincing the national rulers of their “God's chosenness.” Their first success was Babylon (which also became their first loss). In this regard, they are very clear the belief of the Khazars, when the "top" believes in one god and the "bottom" in another ... For Jews, everywhere and always everything ended the same - the period of "rise" (when in one country or another power is usurped, and the most profitable monopolies are controlled ) was replaced by a complete disaster, at least for "not very chosen by God." Of course, they don't like Gypsies, but there is no such hatred for them (on Russi there were always many fans of "giving up the Gypsies" despiteon their propensity to steal. Gypsies - they are as they are and do not try to hide their essence. Well, the Slavs - well, we like to beat each other's muzzles, someone outsider will come to us - all together we will smash his face (or them, we'll see how it goes). laughing
  36. kuzmich
    kuzmich 28 November 2012 21: 19
    -1
    it is not a matter of Islam and Judeo-Christianity, it is a matter of Jews, well, they are power-hungry, they consider themselves conquerors of their own and all, everything is going according to plan.