“We will destroy the Leopards on the T-80: the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation showed the combat work of the tank crew of the Western Military District

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has published footage of daily combat activities tank units of the Western Military District in the zone of the special military operation. T-80 tanks advanced to support the actions of motorized rifle units and dealt a powerful blow to the positions of Ukrainian formations.

In the work of tank crews on the front line, a lot depends on gunners-operators and their professional skills. So, the heroes of the report of the Ministry of Defense destroyed the positions of anti-tank weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and armored vehicles of the enemy.

Another combat mission is to destroy the sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was moving towards the positions of Russian units. To accomplish this task, two T-80 tanks were involved. They advanced to their destination and struck at the enemy. Only after confirmation of the destruction of the DRG were received, did the Russian tanks return to their original positions.

We work with a great understanding of responsibility and what we are doing here, why we are here ... Our grandfathers on the T-34 smashed the Tigers, and we will smash the Leopards on the T-80

- said the commander of the T-80 tank with the call sign "Cadet".

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation also reports that the T-80 tank crews are equipped with military personnel who were called up from the reserve in the process of partial mobilization. They have already become accustomed to the units and perform their tasks with no less professionalism than regular tankers.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

Not a tanker, but it seems like the one who sees the enemy earlier has an advantage. What advantage does the T80 have over the same Leopard? Let's leave the GTU alone. However, good luck guys in destroying the "cats"

[Mikhail Drabkin]

... UAV ..

—-Not mentioned in the essay!!! I hope not to reveal state secrets. Otherwise, the remark dmi.pris1 - "who will see first" in the bull's-eye.

[Russian]

I do not beg the dignity of the T-80 tank, but the T-34 was a new tank that was put into production not so long ago, and the T-80 was a hundred years old for lunch. There was also news that the first T-64 battalion was poisoned, so we’ll get to the T-34)
Where are the promised 2000 armats? As usual, they were riveted only for parades. Well, there is no armature, at least the T-90 of the latest modifications would be launched into mass production, but we cannot boast of this either.
Everything is as usual in general, until they personally press our bureaucrats, they will not make unnecessary gestures. Everything is going according to plan, for the second year already)

[Just_Kvasha]

by the time the "Tigers" appeared, the T-34 was far from a new tank. It has finally become mainstream.

[Orange Bigg]

Well, if the T-80BVM has a Sosna-U sight, and the Invar-M guided missile (based on the Kornet-M ATGM) or the Lead-2 BOPS, then it’s quite possible to compete with the Leopard.
That's what they write in the West.

Carl Hamilton, Denmark

Russian T-80BVM may have just set a range record
For those who are familiar with the history of tanks, one of the things people like to talk about is range, and when it comes down to it, the longest range to date is claimed to be 5100 meters by a Challenger tank in Iraq. . However, a Russian tank could simply claim to have hit an infantry fighting vehicle at a distance of 7 km!!!
Currently, skirmishes between the mechanized forces of the outskirts and the attacking Russian units, one of which is the elite 155th Marine Brigade, continue in the Ygledar region. The armored component of the Russians is represented by T-80 tanks and, apparently, at least one T-80BVM, judging by the commander's thermal imaging optics ... During a recent battle, footage was filmed of a T-80BVM engaging in combat with two combat vehicles IFV infantry and hits them with tank guided missiles (TGM).

It took the Russians about 20 seconds to hit both vehicles with both shots. The cars were so far away that they only took up a couple of pixels on the commander's screen. However, since it was a T-80BVM, most likely, the Invar missile (INVAR shot with a 9M119M guided missile - author's note) or Invar-M was used. Although, it may have been an older Reflex missile.
The Invar is reported to have a maximum flight time of 17,69 seconds, a maximum range of 5 km and an average speed of 350 m/s. However, no "Invar" has ever been studied in the West, so this has always been a dubious statement ...

Based on the maximum flight time, these hits were achieved 12% more efficiently than what should have been declared. If we apply this factor to the maximum advertised range of 5 km, then it would be 5600 m. However, it would be foolish to actually try to hit targets at the maximum maximum range, so most likely this was not the real maximum range. If instead we say that the flight time was known to be 20 seconds and the average speed was 350 m/s, then it would appear that the hit was made at a range of 7000 m. I think it is realistic to say that the actual range is somewhere then between 5600 m and 7000 m.
That seems like a really long range for a missile that has a claimed range of 5 km... But consider this: the Kornet missile is based on the Invar missile, with extra acceleration because it is not fired from a tank gun. The declared range of the Kornet is 5500 m. The export version of the Invar has a similar range. Now the Kornet-M used by the Russian military has a maximum range of 8000 meters, and the Invar-M is strikingly similar in design. I tell you that the Kornet and the Invar have the same flight characteristics, and that the Invar-M has the same actual maximum range as the Kornet-M.

[2 Level Advisor]

you see, standard OSV-96 snipers can also be given out instead of SVD, but it is slightly more complicated and requires much more skills .. that's also Invar with conventional BOPS correlates ... You don't forget that weapons are not fired with performance characteristics, but people .. do we have a lot of tankers trained by "Invar" to use professionally for 5-8 km? if Lyudmila Pavlyuchenko was in the Second World War, this does not mean that all our snipers were approximately at her level ..

[Kaufman]

7 km !? It's already on the horizon. No "pine tree" from the height at which the target is set at such a distance will see. And also if the differences in height, terrain folds, etc.

[notingem]

What is the horizon? The earth is flat and stands on elephants. In the General Staff they know better than some kind of sofa

[Ross xnumx]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Not a tanker, but it seems like the one who sees the enemy earlier has an advantage.

What about the range advantage?
He sees the eye, but the tooth is numb - this is about such a case ...

[spektr9]

What about the range advantage?

The defeat range is wonderful when you can find the enemy on the battlefield .. When you have only a thermal imaging sight from modern means of detection, then shoot at least 100 km, the advantage will not be yours

[svp67]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

What is the advantage of the T80 over the same Leopard?

But let's put the question in a different way, but how much is the T-80 inferior to the Leopard? And here you need to immediately understand the details, namely which of the T-80s: "BV, BVM, U, UE"? And which "Leopard": "1A5, 2A4, 2A5, 2A6"?

Quote from: dmi.pris1

However, good luck guys in the destruction of "cats"

In general, good luck to you GUYS and not only in the fight against "cats"

[terms]

Duc in the forehead with leopards and it makes no sense to compete, now you can find a bunch of more tricky bolts for this nut: lancets, portable anti-tank systems, and a lot of things) In the fields, these tanks can be crushed with ordinary artillery with proper skill, but in cramped conditions I generally keep quiet. Look, even the Kurds, in a partisan style, Turkish leopards burn from time to time, so I don’t understand all this hype around these tanks at all, mothers, as always, consider Western equipment manna from heaven) Yes, the tanks are serious, but 150 pieces against a country with its working military-industrial complex - laughter) Moreover, we must not forget the economy of the tank, how many T-90s can be produced for the price of a leopard?) The Germans already managed with their magic tiger, when, with all its cool performance characteristics, it stupidly cost many times more than 34-k. It was produced longer, it required an order of magnitude or two more specialists, sophisticated equipment, it was gentle in reliability .... They did not take out so many tigers to produce in order to compensate for the whole abyss of 34-k fired in response, which, with the right tactics, were thrust into the tiger's tail by the crowd. And when they also began to bomb factories (both the main ones and subcontractors that produce sophisticated equipment) - they were completely sad. This technique is effective only against the Papuans, because it just needs a little, but there is no serious resistance. And in a serious mess, the one who finds a balance between performance characteristics and the arms economy takes out.

[shikin]

Why do many still compare the T-34 medium tank with the heavy Tiger? It is more appropriate to compare the T-34 with the T-4, with a stretch - with the Panther. Both those and others were released many times more than the Tigers. And the Tigers are more appropriate to compare with HF and IS.

[svp67]

Quote from shikin

It is more appropriate to compare the T-34 with the T-4, with a stretch - with the Panther.

And why "Panther" "with a stretch"? In the battle formations of their armies, these tanks occupied the same positions, which means they can be compared. By the way, there is no German "troika" in the list

[shikin]

With a stretch - because in terms of weight it was like our heavy tanks, although yes, mobility and armament are like those of medium ones. And the troika - perhaps, yes, in the first two years of the Second World War it was the main medium tank of the Wehrmacht.

[svp67]

Quote from shikin

With a stretch - because in terms of weight it was like our heavy tanks, although yes, mobility and armament are like those of medium ones.

And compare the Japanese tanks and our T-34 ... The same Type 97 ("Chi-Ha") in 15 tons, Type 8 ("Chi-Nu") in 3 tons.
The weight, caliber of a weapon is not the criterion by which it is necessary to draw conclusions whether it is worth comparing combat vehicles. The main criterion is their place in the battle formations of the armies. And then, that Pz-III, that Pz-IV, that Pz-V "Panther" occupied one position in the troops. And that's why they are comparable.

[svp67]

Quote from termos

In the fields, these tanks can be crushed with ordinary artillery with proper skill,

Actually, the same "Krasnopol" was created taking into account the ability to destroy mobile armored objects, that is, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and self-propelled guns

Quote from termos

lancets, portable anti-tank systems, and a lot of things

Well, we also have mines in stock, the same Soviet TM-83, TM-89 and the modern PTKM-1R.

[flanker7]

If not a tanker, then watch the video again. These guys have been at war for 5 months, since they say that Leopards will be defeated on the T80, it means they are confident in themselves and know what they are talking about. And one more thing: in addition to seeing the enemy, you also need to hit. And it is not at all necessary that it will turn out from the first shot. And the presence of a charging mechanism in the T-80 is an important plus. And the presence of a gas turbine engine gives higher maneuverability on the battlefield. You can also talk about the lower height of our car, what it gives .... Well, good luck to the guys in the upcoming battles - this is a must !!

[Renepjd]

Why not smash them along the way or at the border?

[bandabas]

And why not stop supplying grain, oil and gas, rare earths, etc.? Nothing personal just business. To whom is the war, and to whom is the mother dear. Babies are still giving birth.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Because "Caliber" on moving targets do not hit. And the Caliber itself costs more than a tank. And sending aviation there means losing it, since air defense has not been suppressed for more than a year. And it is not suppressed because someone has been doing biathlon for ten years.

[Mikhail Maslov]

There is no need to underestimate the enemy. In addition to tanks, the main striking fist is artillery and MLRS. This is where you need to prepare. a group of 2-3 infantry fighting vehicles with landing troops are guarding and guarding, 2-3 tanks for firing with closed and direct fire, 3-4 pumping mortars, artillery of various systems and from the rear of the MLRS, they left, struck and left. Our guys say these groups are very effective and it’s not easy to fight them. And if the Armed Forces of Ukraine create many such groups, and even from different directions and under general command, from interchangeable positions and just powerful support from the rear. You need to prepare for surprises from the enemy.

[Konnick]

Now the tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are such a mixed group of 2-3 infantry fighting vehicles with landing forces and guarding, 2-3 tanks for firing with closed and direct fire, 3-4 pumping mortars, artillery of different systems and from the rear of the MLRS, they left, struck and left. Our guys they say these groups are very effective and it is not easy to fight them.

The generals should think about this, not the guys ...
The most effective fight against this tactic is the use of aviation, but our aviation has greatly screwed up with its inability to destroy the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So the Leopards would not have reached the front line and the tanker with the call sign "Cadet", so that he would not have to show heroism ...

[Konnick]

This is how we fight ... two tanks, two planes ... one and a half diggers ... we stretch the "pleasure", allowing the airmen to work on single targets with the whole caudle, who came up with such a counterguerrilla. tactics. Well, why talk about the confrontation between the T-80 and Leopards. Chrysanthemums and Shturms are prepared against the Leopards, I also hope for the Mi÷24, 28 and Ka-52, and let this tank chase the DRG in our rear, no need to tempt fate ... fortunately speed allows.
And our grandfathers didn’t beat the Tigers on the T-34, the T-34 tanks were needed for something else, the Soviet tankers were smarter, they tried not to mess with the Tigers, leaving them for artillery, they beat them on the IS-2, at random meetings. The main task of the tank is the enemy's firing points, and the tanks are the target for attack helicopters and ATGMs. A strange statement from a tanker about the Leopard. Why look for adventures on your ass ... you need to be more Jewish and more useful, stupid death is not needed, even heroic, Victory is needed. How primitively our propaganda works, shooting such narrow-minded videos on the principle of capping. Heroism is someone's flaw due to stupidity or negligence. Think soldiers and of course, first of all officers. Do not be like the authors of this story.

[Orange Bigg]

Or use the same guided planning bomb PBK-500U "Drill". There are 15 homing anti-tank combat elements.

[75 Sergey]

I hope this will be the case, but it would be better to just do it, and then show footage of the destroyed Leopards, Abrams and wheeled Frenchmen.

[UAZ 452]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation also reports that the T-80 tank crews are equipped with military personnel who were called up from the reserve in the process of partial mobilization. They have already become accustomed to the units and perform their tasks with no less professionalism than regular tankers.

It turns out that in a few months it is possible to train a tanker, no worse than a personnel one? Why then do many here shout that there is not enough time for a year - let's two, or even more?
Or should these lines be read like this: the professionalism of regular tankers who have served for more than one year does not exceed that of those mobilized after several months of service?

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

If a person has already served in the army before and has a general idea of ​​​​how to drive a tank (it doesn’t matter what position, drive it and drive and shoot and repair and communicate, etc.), and then 3 months daily to keep 8 hours a day for training ground, then of course the skill will quickly recover ... The intensity of training is completely different ...
During the Second World War, officer courses went on for 3 months, and not for several years as in peacetime.

[Konnick]

Quote: UAZ 452

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation also reports that the T-80 tank crews are equipped with military personnel who were called up from the reserve in the process of partial mobilization. They have already become accustomed to the units and perform their tasks with no less professionalism than regular tankers.

It turns out that in a few months it is possible to train a tanker, no worse than a personnel one? Why then do many here shout that there is not enough time for a year - let's two, or even more?
Or should these lines be read like this: the professionalism of regular tankers who have served for more than one year does not exceed that of those mobilized after several months of service?

All the mobilized have already served their terms of service, they just updated the knowledge and skills acquired in military service.

[blackGRAIL]

In 1941, in terms of performance characteristics, the advantage of the KV-1 over German vehicles was overwhelming. This did not affect the course of the company. Success and victory are determined not by the performance characteristics of individual types of equipment, but by the coherence and interaction of different types of troops and units, the well-established intelligence, communications, and simply the presence of the necessary types of weapons in the troops (not necessarily unparalleled).

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Well, if A4 leopards, then t80 is a cut above and even a5, t80 (bvm) are no match ... A6 already, yes, a modern car, how many of them will Ukrainians have?

[Metallurg_2]

I wonder when they will send the "Iron Kaput", created in the secret laboratories of the First Reismacht?

[Oleg Gumennov]

Of course, optimism is very good, but as they say, "Do not brag about the army while walking, but boast about walking with the rati." Good luck to our guys.

[-Igor-]

We will destroy the Leopards on the T-80

When you read such statements "our tank against their tank" one gets the impression that people just got into a computer game.
Why did they get that the Leopard will definitely meet the T-80, and not the armored personnel carrier or Typhoon? Why should a tank be destroyed by a tank, and not by an ATGM?

[_Ugene_]

We will destroy the Leopards on the T-80

only with the coordinated work of all branches of the armed forces, one on one is unlikely, and in general the main threat to any tank is an anti-tank gun and not another tank

[Carlos Hall]

I have no doubt. The ministry knows what it's talking about. I'm sure it will, but I would have prepared a significant number of Lancets loitering ammunition with the highest possible explosive force to disable a large number of Western tanks at the time of their deployment to the battlefield and achieve great gains. . Media and military success. . listen to me

[_Ugene_]

but I would prepare a significant number of lancets

Lancets against tanks are useless, carry too few explosives, only scratch armor

[Oleg Apushkin]

Something is not very clear, why drive tanks to DRGs, other tools could have been used. Insanity grew stronger.

[JD1979]

Tanks ... the logic of some is straight ... like rails ... or rather parallel ... tanks against tanks and it raced .. t90-80-72-62-55-35-34-26 and so on down the list Versus Leo1- 2 . And this is when for more than half a century it is considered that the main enemy of the tank is a helicopter))) When so many anti-tank weapons were invented and made for the infantry. When armored vehicles are not needed at all to carry out a column or individual tanks. You need an UAV or something that will give out the coordinates of the equipment and ONE machine charged 9M526 / 9M55K1 and that's it. Within a radius of up to 90 km, after a while, the desire to appear from the enemy will disappear completely.

[aesculapius]

Well, where is the display, where are the destroyed points and drg? What, they can’t already mount video from the copter?