The main military prosecutor's office acquitted Yudashkin - officials spoiled the new military uniform

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The scandal with the repeatedly criticized new military uniform continues: after yesterday’s statements by the famous fashion designer Valentin Yudashkin that he has nothing to do with army clothing, the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office has acted on his side.

Prosecutors have identified numerous violations in the manufacture of uniforms of the new model, which caused mass colds in the army, told Interfax in the military department on Thursday. Valentin Yudashkin is not involved in them, the agency interlocutor assured.

According to a source, in connection with the frequent epidemics of ARVI and complaints about the form, a large-scale check was conducted. GWP established that, at the first stage, the sketches and prototypes did indeed produce LLC Valentin Yudashkin. However, then the officials of the Ministry of Defense, without the consent of the developer, made “substantial constructive changes,” the official said.

Since the new form was significantly different from the previous one, the army leadership had to bring the "rules for its use" to the troops, but the officials did not. Violations were found in the clothing industry, where they made uniforms, the source added.

The innovations made by the military in the approved model concerned "both the overall design and individual elements of the uniform: the linings and trousers, some of their parts and parts" were excluded from the products, the PRT reported. To make the form cheaper, military officials independently replaced heat-retaining materials with fabrics without such properties. Nobody conducted "troop tests of products."

After verification, the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office submitted a submission to the Minister of Defense of Russia, Sergei Shoigu, on the elimination of violations of the law and bringing the military uniform to the proper condition. According to the source, the Ministry of Defense has already ordered to recycle and bring to the necessary condition low-quality sets of army clothing.

Recall that on the eve of Valentin Yudashkin after many months of attacks on the form attributed to him, finally explained about this. He stated that Dolchi and Gabana from the Ministry of Defense grossly distorted the original design of military clothing developed by him, replacing fabrics, accessories, heat-holding materials with cheap versions. He noted that he was still silent, because he hoped that the military would take responsibility for the changes made.

Yudashkin stressed that for the army "it is now incomprehensible that they sew something incomprehensible," and all this has nothing to do with him personally or with his Fashion House. According to the designer, the form, which is now worn in the army, "at times" cheaper than his version.

On Wednesday, the couturier as a proof of his words posted on Twitter photos of their form samples. However, the bloggers didn’t like this “Yudashkin’s” form - they found similarities to paintball and fishing clothing.
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  1. +13
    November 22, 2012
    ABOUT! What I was talking about. The last ones were found (figuratively), without specific names and positions. 170 lyamov "hushed up", in general, and the tailor in chocolate, and the type of "debriefing" conducted. I would not be surprised that with such a short-lived investigation, in a week or two this topic will simply be written off to the archive. This approach is already somewhat reminiscent of the system of sticks in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    1. +11
      November 22, 2012
      Quote:.
      sketches and prototypes were actually made by Valentin Yudashkin LLC.


      Oh army, army ......

      For some reason, after reading this, the duke from the movie "The Same Munchausen" stands before his eyes:
      “Maybe, in this case, it is worthwhile to raise the top from the top and lower the bottom from the bottom?” “So we will! Two rows of tucks on the left, two on the right. The whole decision is at the waist! Where do you think we will be doing the waist? At chest level!
      1. Cavas
        +1
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: Vadivak
        “Maybe, in this case, it is worthwhile to raise the top from the top and lower the bottom from the bottom?” “So we will! Two rows of tucks on the left, two on the right. The whole decision is at the waist! Where do you think we will be doing the waist? At chest level!

        It’s possible, but it’s possible .. wassat



        In the end, it's still an option ..
        Yudashkin stressed that for the army "it is now incomprehensible that they sew something incomprehensible," and all this has nothing to do with him personally or with his Fashion House. According to the designer, the form, which is now worn in the army, "at times" cheaper than his version.

        That’s what Yudashkin’s uncle or aunt cares about, for two years it didn’t care, but here it’s just flooded - "both cheaper, and not fashionable, and not his design at all."
        One word PRIARISTS!
        1. +2
          November 22, 2012
          Not publicists, but ists !!!!
          1. +3
            November 22, 2012
            ... derasts.
          2. 0
            November 23, 2012
            Quote: sasha1973
            Not publicists, but ists !!!!

            not "ists", but pi *** ases! am
        2. +5
          November 23, 2012
          What a ... opa difference what a form looks like! For fishing and paintball! Laugh! The main thing is to be comfortable, durable, lightweight and perform masking functions! And what should it be? Similar to the hussar times of 1812?
          1. 0
            November 23, 2012
            He served in the pixel year. In general, except for terribly cold pea jackets, I did not reveal any minuses) The cap is terribly cool)
    2. +2
      November 23, 2012
      They almost destroyed the army without firing a shot. This is where the truly traitors of the Motherland are. It looks like a diversion.
      1. +2
        November 23, 2012
        I don’t know what you got into Yudashkin, he did the form for free, on pure enthusiasm did not receive any money for it. I watched the transfer about the development of the form was made excellent, not inferior and somewhere even surpassed analogues. And the fact that the thieving generals from defense mines all again plundered and ordered a uniform from do not understand why it wasn’t his fault. And he couldn’t know what he was sewn from, since the man was purely civilian. Some hacks are velcro instead of buttons, but if you look at the shape of the United States, then everything is also Velcro, just the quality and technology must be respected, by the way they are of practical importance, if wounded in the arm, the arm can be conveniently secured with Velcro without improvised means.
    3. +2
      November 23, 2012
      Lissyara I will "join" you. Your first comment. hi

      I wrote on this topic yesterday - DON'T SEEK the ends. And apparently they are specially silent (!!).
      K T O sewed "that" form - T. BOLOYEV. The current one, most likely, will sew HE. "By the end of the week, the Ministry of Defense will approve new sketches developed by the company of ex-head of Olympstroy Taimuraz Bolloev, Source: izvestia.ru"

      Read about Bolloev on "Kompromat.ru" illusions I C E Z ​​N U T.
      1. SSR
        0
        November 23, 2012
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        K T O sewed "that" shape - T. BOLLOEV.

        This bastard is still behind Olympstroy did not answer ... goddamned goddamn thing.
        and I want to add ...
        IMHA. even Yudashkin and peder *** .. but in this case I think that it’s in vain that they’re rolling a barrel on him. he is just a little gear in a big flywheel. and the people above generally correctly wrote it off.
        Quote: Dinver
        I don’t know what you got into Yudashkin, he did the form for free, on pure enthusiasm did not receive any money for it. I watched the transfer about the development of the form was made excellent, not inferior and somewhere even surpassed analogues. And the fact that the thieving generals from defense mines all again plundered and ordered a uniform from do not understand why it wasn’t his fault. And he couldn’t know what he was sewn from, since a person purely civil.

        and this civilian, by any chance, cannot wind our Army like a tail .. This is the Army with us waving its tail. do not confuse gentlemen.
        1. 0
          November 23, 2012
          Korolev, Sakharov, Kalashnikov, Tupolev and so on, and like in general 95% in the defense industry purely civil, the fact that they are not military, this is not an obstacle to creating an excellent product for the Ministry of Defense.
  2. +7
    November 22, 2012
    Honestly, I was very surprised (at that time) by the initiative of the Moscow Region to attract a fashion designer to create a form. Why were they going to do it? In order for our military to please the enemy troops, in which there are many homosexuals? wink And now I understand that it was necessary to write off a bit, and then stiblit loot. am
    1. +8
      November 22, 2012
      In the entire history of the Armed Forces of all countries of the world from famous fashion designers (he was not famous then), Hugo Boss and his designers were PARTially involved in designing the uniform for the Third Reich. And then, not for all genera and types of aircraft. But the Nazis at least did not yell, their uniform suited. And what would Corporal Adolf do to him if something had gone wrong.
      Accurate evidence that he accurately designed uniforms for naval officers and the Luftwaffe. Regarding the form of SS units, the information is twofold. Well, here you can understand, or a career, or several years old, the Allies could provide at the sawmill.
      1. +4
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: LiSSyara
        And what would Corporal Adolf do to him if something had gone wrong.

        And it went wrong, only in the winter of 42nd and 43rd, and "made them by Mr. Frost" and our fathers and grandfathers.
        1. +3
          November 22, 2012
          So they did not expect to fight for several years. Everything rested on a blitzkrieg. But they attacked the wrong country.
        2. +9
          November 22, 2012
          Quote: cherkas.oe
          and "made them lord Frost" and our fathers and grandfathers.

          Losses from frostbite very soon exceeded the losses from combat wounds. And some tasks for the army are very specific, for example, a sentry or an outpost of reconnaissance — they were especially dangerous, soldiers were exposed to frost for a long time, and limbs suffered especially. The troops improvised to survive, using the captured Russian uniform. They put paper and straw in boots and boots, tried to wear as many layers of clothing as they could find.

          In the process, the Nazis settled in our General Staff
    2. +11
      November 22, 2012
      Why is a fashion designer bad? On the contrary, it’s very good to attract such people, he knows every material from which it is made, its properties and its cost, he is able to make high-quality army-friendly clothes at the price that they ask him for, and the fact that our officials began to save on clothes instead quality material was replaced with a fake, so this is not the fault of the fashion designer. And about homosexuals, outright stupidity, soldiers should also look decent. The beauty of uniforms is also appreciated.
      1. +1
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        Why is a fashion designer bad?


        Forgive me, but it turns me out of one word (fashion designer, stylist, etc.)
        1. +3
          November 22, 2012
          But in vain, but they don’t sew bad clothes, but the fact that many of them are fagots, tranny, etc. is another matter.
        2. +3
          November 23, 2012
          Quote: Vadivak
          from one word (fashion designer, stylist, etc.) turns


          And from the words "designer, visualizer, modeler (not to be confused with a fashion designer)" Are you sick, sir?))) I mean that you do not need to equate specialists in their business with glamorous scale wink And then you can make a mistake inadvertently and get a tambourine (do not consider it a threat laughing ) For example, I combine all three definitions given above but do not correspond to the generally accepted stereotype, neither externally nor more internally!)) Like all my friends and competitors in the creative path)))

          And the difference between those from whom you are upsetting, and those who really work (or rather plows without days off, holidays and often 12-16 hours a day for weeks) is that we work just for people, and not for the same glamorous layer in which dofiga stolen dough and an almost complete lack of taste))))
          1. 0
            November 23, 2012
            By the way, I’m learning to become a designer))
            1. 0
              November 23, 2012
              What will be needed is not a glamorous, but a photorealistic visualization (not to be confused with physiological terms like "ejaculation, men ... ation, m .... please! And you do not need to turn inside out from such words to some), then you are welcome in PM)))
        3. SSR
          +2
          November 23, 2012
          Quote: Vadivak
          Forgive me, but from one word (fashion designer, stylist, etc.) turns

          wassat maybe it turns you out .. but I think that in vain ...
          because Yudashkin is simply -PORTNO who in a modern way is called a fashion designer and for the army tailors always sewed uniforms. hi
          1. 0
            November 23, 2012
            Quote from S.S.R.
            it’s just PORTABLE which in a modern way is called a fashion designer


            the main thing in the name and the ESSENCE and RESULT! hi
    3. 0
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: Okuscher
      In order for our military to be liked by enemy troops, in which there are many homosexuals?

      good So there such experts were sitting, it was hard to expect a different approach! And they were not familiar with the methods of theft by hearsay. All the same, the tax service broadens the mind in this area.
    4. +2
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: Okuscher
      Honestly, I was very surprised (at that time) by the initiative of the Moscow Region to attract a fashion designer to create a form.



      During the reign of Tsar the Martyr Nicholas II, the entire uniform for the military passed through the hands of the sovereign. Tsar Nicholas himself personally experienced a new uniform in the field, and if the new uniform withstood all military tests and was comfortable to wear, only then were soldiers allowed to sew it.


      So, Emperor Nicholas II decided to personally check how convenient the uniform of the soldier and equipment. He put on his uniform, a satchel with styling, took a rifle on his shoulder, and in 8 hours rested on foot — 40 miles. They say that Sarapul boots helped pass the test to the Emperor.
      1. Brother Sarych
        -1
        November 22, 2012
        Already cheekbones reduces!
        It seems that for the "convenience" of the form a lot of blood had to pay in the Russian-Japanese, only then they took care of practicality, and even then for the 300th anniversary of the ruling house they decorated the uniform with all kinds of garbage in the form of shako and other "amenities" ...
        1. +1
          November 22, 2012
          The tsar was guilty only of the fact that he was weak-minded, this is my opinion, his relatives controlled the army, and they also robbed the army along with the officials.
      2. +1
        November 23, 2012
        Quote: Vadivak
        the entire uniform for the military passed through the hands of the sovereign


        Yes, there is such a fact! There was such a senile military minister Sukhomlinov, who did not know anything about modern military affairs, but fed the sovereign "exhausted" with vodka and cognacs with beautiful rags, although his cousin Kaiser Wilhelm (Willy) was preparing for war with might and main! As a result, we answered 10 German shells with one, and even on receipt of the battery commanders!

        Quote: Vadivak
        He put on his uniform, a satchel with styling, took a rifle on his shoulder and in 8 hours rested on foot


        Yes, only before that, in a completely obscene form (drunk as a lord), he was wandering along the embankment (it seemed to be resting in the Crimea), and a bright head - the then prime minister Stolypin advised "Tsarskoye Selo Gopher" how to smooth out this shame! And so the fable about the "caring king-father" was born!

        Does the date of January 9, 1905 not tell you anything? And the results of the Russo-Japanese War (it was such in 1904-05)

        Ask for sources? I can recommend "Unclean Power" by Valentin Pikul! Take some time, read and draw parallels with modern realities! And you can also, if you wish, delve into the net and, which is somewhat more difficult in traditional literature. Only not modern "historians" but better than contemporaries of those years, or those who wrote their works according to archival documents!)) This is, of course, provided that you want to get to the bottom of the truth and not swallow what our media are now leaking! This definitely makes you puke belay
        1. +1
          November 23, 2012
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          "Unclean Power" by Valentin Pikul!


          No thanks, I prefer documents as sources
          1. 0
            November 23, 2012
            Quote: Vadivak
            I prefer documents


            Apparently you prefer the modern PRA the height of the delirium of which the canonization of the "Tsarskoye Selo gopher" (although his deeds must be anathematized), and the elevation to the rank of the great martyr of the "Hesse fly" nee Frau Alice of Hesse-Darmstatt! Although the princesses and Tsarevich Alexei, I think it is really not to blame here!

            Learn materiel! And "the truth is buried in many places"! but you apparently do not burden yourself with the labor of digging))) "The seeker will find it!" ))

            by the way! the full name of the Romanov dynasty sounds - Koshkiny-Zakharyiny-Romanov-Holstein-Gottorp!
  3. +1
    November 22, 2012
    Well, at least the shape can be changed to normal. The shoulder straps will be returned.
    Maybe even somewhere they will finalize, as it should be with "field tests"
    1. +1
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: andrei.2012
      .Rap shoulders back.

      Already returned. Shoigu signed the order.
    2. Supervision
      +4
      November 22, 2012
      already got this topic with shoulder straps on your shoulders, you in your infantry are used to showing off, shoulder straps, high ranks, and throw a 50 kg backpack on your back and stomp with it for a week, then say shoulder straps or chest bothers you.
      1. 0
        November 22, 2012
        And on flight suits (jackets), they are not at all. At least there wasn’t.
      2. +5
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: Dozor
        and throw a 50 kg backpack on your back and stomp with it for a week, then say shoulder straps interfere with you



        the field didn’t seem to interfere, but you don’t notice them on the Afghan
        1. +4
          November 22, 2012
          Today my neighbor called me, he serves in Migalovo, in the airfield security company. Hastily taken away the entire "digit" and issued the old-style hebash "flora" and jackets. They breathed a sigh of relief, he said.
        2. Supervision
          0
          November 25, 2012
          So I believe only that I checked it myself, of course not what, everything can be tolerated, but it’s really more convenient with free shoulders, it doesn’t cling, it doesn’t press, and the uniform is casual and everyday, but there’s nothing for the field, specialists now generally moved away from the insignia that the colonel that the rank and file all as one
  4. +4
    November 22, 2012
    Previously, special research institutes sewed uniforms and with specialists from the troops all this was done in close connection, and now businessmen. it’s not clear ... Although everything is clear ...
    1. +4
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: klimpopov
      Previously, special research institutes sewed uniforms and with specialists from the troops all this was done in a tight connection,

      But unfortunately, the Soviet form was also not ideal in terms of its consumer properties, if I may say so.
      1. +1
        November 22, 2012
        Well, I don’t argue, I’m on the issue of approach to business, and again, Moscow Region wants now that it is cheaper and worse, maybe there is no fault of this person in a new form, it may make sense to order a form on the side, but anyway it’s strange ...
      2. +2
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: Nick
        if I may say so.

        Yes, the everyday form was such that I always wanted to express myself when I climbed into it by lifting, but still we were proud of it.
        1. 0
          November 22, 2012
          But in the Air Force there was even nothing technical, an overcoat, yes, this is a tin of course, I also don't understand the meaning of a "cap". What's wrong with the gerbil?
          1. +2
            November 22, 2012
            The beauty of the garrison cap is that it is on the head only on the line (or another statutory event). And so she usually lives in her pocket (bag, diplomat). And poorly to shove the "airfield" of Baku tailoring into your pocket? Or at + 30 carry it all the time? But it weighs almost a kg.
            1. +1
              November 22, 2012
              Well, I did not find the caps. Is it good or bad? So I did not share all the joy of wearing them.
              1. +2
                November 22, 2012
                Quote: klimpopov
                So I did not share all the joy of wearing them.



                I divided, the hat is a hundred times better
                1. +1
                  November 22, 2012
                  If the dermontin strip is torn off, the forehead rubs ....
          2. +1
            November 22, 2012
            Quote: klimpopov
            But what is bad gerbil?

            I don’t know, I didn’t wear it.
        2. +1
          November 22, 2012
          Quote: cherkas.oe
          I always wanted to express myself when I climbed into it on the rise, but still we were proud of it.

          What is true is true ... good
          1. +3
            November 22, 2012
            The Afghan woman was like something from a different world compared to that old uniform ... Comfortable, the fabric is cool. And now I looked from what this "figure" is sewn ... sorry, I think a little about the fabric, if this is the declared "rip-stop", then I am Chinese. I looked not at the market, but at Voentorg.
      3. +2
        November 22, 2012
        Well I do not know. I liked the Soviet parade. I just tried to fit into my Starley version. Something like the pants did not quite fit, and the jacket somehow sat down "accordion". Apparently for 21 years, the shake-down and uchastka of the material occurred.
        Although his wife said something else: "Apparently someone eats a lot and eats unmeasured PUSA" wassat
        1. SSR
          +1
          November 23, 2012
          Here many have gone through this))))

          Yes what an abundance of chevrons and all sorts of different .. here "yudashkins" nervously smoke on the sidelines.
          1. +1
            November 23, 2012
            Quote from S.S.R.
            here "yudashkins" nervously smoke on the sidelines.


            yes he himself made such tinsel and sold it to such "warriors" laughing especially from the republics of sunny Central Asia)) robustly raised denezhek by the way! Well, I took it with a cigarette and spiritus from the aerodrome staff)) He actually left home by civilian)) he only captured a set of cotton (then he wore three instead of a sailor) and a leather belt with autographs of friends, and several pieces of vests) )))
    2. SSR
      +1
      November 23, 2012
      Quote: klimpopov
      Previously, special research institutes sewed uniforms with specialists from the troops

      That's right, but it is desirable that the form looks presentable))

      Well, our burn))
      1. SSR
        0
        November 23, 2012
        damn clumsy hands in mnu.

        and this is about Orel .. pind.so.sy in their films. about bad guys.
        1. +1
          November 23, 2012
          by the way, the two-headed eagle was originally a symbol of the Roman Empire - "one body and two heads - Rome and Constantinople", then migrated to the Austro-Hungarian monarchy and the Russian Empire))) The first considered herself the heir of that very first empire, but we have a slightly different meaning - "The body is one but in different parts of the world - west and east! That's why I had to look and control two sides of the world")))
  5. +13
    November 22, 2012
    Here we criticize the Stalinist times. In the current situation of the problem, Stalin would have uttered only two words: "Lawrence, sort it out ...".
    And in the best scenario, the haute couture tailor and all MO rear management with their own hands would sew mittens and linen for the MO according to ready-made projects.
    1. +6
      November 22, 2012
      +! good In general, we have a strange tendency, at a time when they try to make and buy all the best for the army, and then adapt the technologies of the defense industry and for society, in Russia everything is strictly the opposite, and what is bought is cheaper, "ah, a soldier will do it by 15 minutes will be enough and there ... "
      1. +2
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: klimpopov
        in Russia, everything is strictly the opposite, and what is bought is cheaper, "and, a soldier will do, for 15 minutes

        Well, this is due to the fact that they order those who have never worn this uniform and are not going to fight in it and will not, but will watch the theater from London.
      2. +2
        November 22, 2012
        Quote: klimpopov
        in Russia, everything is strictly the opposite, and what is bought is cheaper, "well, a soldier will do it, enough for 15 minutes and then ..."

        But they do not serve there themselves, nor their children ... So the soldiers are freezing ... And indeed, the team of Serdyukov examined the army from the point of view: But where to steal something ???? And succeeded in this ...
        1. Konrad
          +4
          November 22, 2012
          Quote: sniper
          And they themselves do not serve there, nor their children

          Yudashkin urgently served. By the way, he laughed at the shoulder strap on his chest, not his work says.
        2. +2
          November 22, 2012
          And smerdyukov has a chief boss, and if he did not know what sordyuk had been doing for so many years, then send him
      3. +4
        November 22, 2012
        This scandal recalls the history of Russia of the pre-revolutionary period. Then such frauds were not uncommon. In general, from what went to and came.
        1. +3
          November 22, 2012
          and I remember the film "Peter1", where the tsar cleaned up Menshikov's physia for rotten cloth for his transfiguration
          1. +1
            November 23, 2012
            In in in - now it would be so. I even agree that the "tsar" of the little white streams is not moral to "menshikov" "face" himself. Those interested - join, the record is open !!!!
        2. +1
          November 23, 2012
          Well, yes, and frauds with contracts for supplying the army with rusks in the First World War, and the contractors did not make any rusks, the same with soldierly linen, soap, shells, etc., etc. ..... and all this was done again by the then elite and by persons close to the emperor, whom some here ascended to heaven))) the unprepared 2nd and 3rd Pacific squadrons were thrown into Russian-Japanese for certain destruction, and they did not return Port Arthur after the fall, which they could not even supply neither shoes nor clothing properly! no shells for practical shooting! again, with the knowledge of the very top of the then authorities ..... and so forth, and so forth, and so forth .....
    2. +2
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: LiSSyara

      Here we criticize the Stalinist times. In the current situation of the problem, Stalin would have uttered only two words: "Lawrence, sort it out ...".
      And in the best scenario, the haute couture tailor and all MO rear management with their own hands would sew mittens and linen for the MO according to ready-made projects.

      Plus Sergey. And I won’t say anything else. Everything is said.
    3. +1
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: LiSSyara
      And in the best scenario, the haute couture tailor and all MO rear management with their own hands would sew mittens and linen for the MO according to ready-made projects.

      Well, you are cruel, imagine Yudashkin against Stalin. The height, though the same, but ", The distance is huge."
      1. 0
        November 22, 2012
        Stalin was 172 cm tall.
    4. +1
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: LiSSyara
      all the rear management of the Moscow region with their own hands would sew mittens and linen for the Moscow region on ready-made projects.


      Add ................. per meal
  6. +1
    November 22, 2012
    The army will lose more on colds than on saving clothes. Especially on its insulated elements.
    PS When he himself served on the border, he really dreamed that footcloths (especially winter ones) should be replaced with socks. How many situations were there when the legs were numb from the cold, the footcloths strayed into a lump somewhere in the corner and felt the icy tarp with the skin of their feet, and there was no time and place to rewind the footcloths stupidly. Is it really so expensive and difficult to provide our fighters with normal socks?
    1. +3
      November 22, 2012
      Dmitry, but here I do not agree.
      Even remembering the patrols in the glorious city of Kiev, after a divorce from the commandant’s office, there’s a bit of time to drop into the school in the barracks and change the yuft miracle to lame people.
      In the 80s winters were of the correct winter design, and not only do you return from your frozen legs even to a woolen sock when you return to the barracks, it’s also impossible to pull this limp with a narrow rise from your feet.
      With winter footcloths it was more fun, but the same chrome slippers were difficult to put on and take off, especially to take off after frost. So if s worn, it is extremely rare. Well, not with the ladies it will be said that the footcloth after daily use stinks much less than the sock, which people are not particularly tempted to wash in cold water every day. Here in the 5th year, when they took away everyday, the boot-toe system became completely there. Although they tried to walk around the school’s territory in normal shoes, the main thing is that the commandant and the school’s leadership should not be exposed to the eyes.
      1. +7
        November 22, 2012
        Flannel footcloth is better than a sock for sure, and socks in a week will simply rot, I completely agree. The main thing is to tie normally, although after a week already there were no problems with this ...
        1. Konrad
          0
          November 22, 2012
          Quote: klimpopov
          Yes, and socks in a week just rot

          Wash it! Checked.
          1. +2
            November 22, 2012
            There are not always options to wash .... For it’s not always in the barracks and not always on schedule ...
          2. +1
            November 22, 2012
            Stanislav, and you "walk" on your legs from 8-00, and then at 24-00 a huge craving arises to wash socks in ice water, when you can hardly stand on your paws. Taking into account the fact that in the morning trudge to class.
            1. Konrad
              0
              November 23, 2012
              Quote: LiSSyara
              You "walk" on legs from 8-00, and then at 24-00 a huge craving arises to wash socks

              This is elementary laziness. If you want, go dirty until you fall apart. I know one person who believes that the skin deteriorates from soap. Being next to him is not very pleasant, it smells too painful!



          3. Konrad
            0
            November 23, 2012
            Quote: Konrad

            Quote: klimpopov
            Yes, and socks in a week just rot
            Wash it! Checked.

            So the minuses slammed - they do not like cleanliness with us.



            Devastation is not in closets, but in heads, Professor Preobrazhensky rightly notes in the film Heart of a Dog (Mikhail Bulgakov)
      2. +1
        November 22, 2012
        Perhaps you are right, Sergey. But the legs are so numb that it’s hard to describe. I'm not a sissy at all. All studded thoroughly at the border, especially when far from the outpost, in the ChG (hourly border on average 5-6 hours of continuous service at the border of cover) for example. Studied everything from poor-quality (old) uniforms. Bad footcloths, poor quality cotton pants, etc. It got to the point that many began to urinate in bed and run a dozen times to the toilet. This kidneys even froze from general hypothermia.
    2. +6
      November 22, 2012
      I think you are wrong. after a year of service, many began to wear socks (blat), although not according to the charter, and this is in tarpaulin boots. Now I’m thinking what a fool I was, because I ruined my legs. began to sweat and smell very much, barely cured. and footcloths are much drier and warmer, but that's my opinion.
      1. 0
        November 22, 2012
        The idea is correct - "footcloths" + "boots" = "whole legs". And after the socks, in the same lame shoes, how many people with nails were tortured. They were done taking into account the fact (not only a narrow rise), but also a narrow foot, that an officer of the USSR Armed Forces DOES NOT WEAR them every day!
    3. +3
      November 22, 2012
      I went to the army - my father taught how to properly wind footcloths and choose boots. In your case, most likely everyone was given "Sh" (wide) kirzachi. There were also "U" and "S". In winter we were given two pairs of footcloths. It seems to me that there is nothing better in boots than footcloths.
    4. +3
      November 23, 2012
      Formula zanete -40-40? I decipher - minus 40 - forty minutes a divorce !! Amur region. That's where the song was! Even heels on boots were numb. AND God forbid to go to a divorce in socks! Only a footcloth with a newspaper - otherwise a khan. Yes, even a greatcoat - and under it a psh and underwear - and did not even hurt! No wrong - rarely hurt. And our nachmed - with ... ka (in the good sense of the word) came to divorce in a little kitty and shoes (he was a walrus !!!!). I remembered it all my life — morning, winter, maroz — it hurts to breathe, a walk (in temperature) from the darkness of the morning to the meeting of a smoldering and swearing caterpillar a figure appears in PANTS, MIKE and SHOES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Nearby his dog runs all in FREEZE like snow - well, I don’t know who is there, and there are tears in the dog’s eyes !!!! Yes, and in the barracks we only had COLD water, year-round! But the water was .......... pumping !!!!!!!! In a flask for weeks did not disappear !!!!! Pies - you can’t get drunk. Well, this is the lyrics - I really liked the Afghan woman from the first issues - she was very cool and comfortable. And the number was scattered! And the fault here is not even Yudashkin, but our .... ditch from the Moscow Region who with Ikanomani. There is a whole scientific research institute — what could they not correct? Here, some remembered the king - they say he walked, etc. I went along this route in the Crimea (maybe it used to be worse) in 2003, if I’m not mistaken - the places are fabulous - the sea is in the sun and so on. In such conditions, I would enjoy the form with PLEASURE! And there were not 40 versts there, but much less - or the guide deceived the infection! Yes, and he was in boots!
      1. 0
        November 23, 2012
        Oh yeah! Though he didn’t serve in the Amur Region but in the Vanino district)) In Mongohto)) I still remember with a shudder the morning divorces and outfits in the car fleet! but if only the ears and face of the face were frozen, I didn’t cut my greatcoat as many did and then I was terribly jealous, then in the fleet, especially at night, yes! Wadded trousers and written-off flight jackets were badly saved from the winds when you shy away from three nights to eight in the morning! wassat
      2. +1
        November 23, 2012
        Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
        and in the eyes of the dog tears !!!!


        These were tears of joy. Well described cool ....... right in front of my eyes +
  7. 0
    November 22, 2012
    And where did you all work before, they work on the go-ahead, then another go-ahead and stop everything

    it's like with the Cherkizovsky market, we wet it, but then everything is fine, everything is free no complaints
  8. Voin sveta82
    +1
    November 22, 2012
    I think that it is primarily the warriors, not the designers, who are to blame ..))) if such a puncture happened ... somewhere in the 50-60s of the Soviet state .. - then ... 100% - everyone would be under shooting ..))) the blessing for them is a change in the political structure ....)))) Well, what a disgusting thing ... but it is clear that they are to blame - and somehow everyone is happy ... everyone is happy ... greedy greedy hmyri - God forbid .... please ... the second STALIN ... with a strong just power ..))))) BUT you can ....))) there is no Vovchik ... Putin ... . but a tough, strong character of a person ... but not this one ... excuse me, a political "prostitute" .....)))) So it is .....
    1. +5
      November 22, 2012
      Gentlemen, well, where did Yudashkin ??? He, as he managed to fulfill the MO order, the customer was satisfied, but how else can you simplify everything ??? Yes, not only ... And Yudashkin is a convenient cover, still not Vasya Pupkin, maybe no one will dig .... Who expected that to happen ??? If I don’t confuse anything, then Peter 1 personally beat Menshikov’s face, when he put poor-quality cloth for the uniform and would end on end, but Menshikov bought something at his own expense for the construction of the fleet, but not a little .... Oh, there were times. ..
  9. +5
    November 22, 2012
    what disgusting to dress up our defenders in clownish McKintosh who do not warm up in winter. bitch nominated on a lining! well, there must be a specific general in charge of clothing supply. after all, someone put their signatures or do they have a call there? they did it with him, bring him to the front, under Stalingrad, such "ammunition"! I understand: providing soldiers with a decent protective kit (they have become) is expensive and not enough for us. Then, after all, there will not be enough for the Olympics !!! so they are also the last shirt they are being removed from the Russian soldier! and after all, no one is found guilty. grandmas have divided and everything is normal, vertical, sir ...
    1. +1
      November 22, 2012
      Aleksey, I’ve already quoted the words of the beginning in topics about the form. rear mo. Yudashkin didn’t get a penny for developing the form, he did everything with enthusiasm, and 170 lyamas went for patenting. And we all believed it together wassat
    2. Fox
      +4
      November 22, 2012
      here in our city there was a deputy for the rear ... a rare bastard ... the guys went to their grandmothers in the south ... once they came from there, and he tried to keep their grandmothers from them by the uniform ... in short, they found the corpse of this colonel with with a cut throat near their house ... they did not find anyone ... although they were "looking for": railway stations, airports ... they did not wait for the trial, they figured it out themselves.
      1. 0
        November 23, 2012
        Bravo, bravo, bravo, bravo - well done. Correctly solved the issue with the cancellation of things !!!!
    3. +5
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      so that they did it with him, bring him to the front, near Stalingrad, such "ammunition"


      Article 58-7. Undermining state industry, transport, trade, money circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation, committed for counter-revolutionary purposes through the appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises, or opposing their normal activities, and equal to the use of state institutions and enterprises or the opposition of their activities, committed in the interests of former owners or interested capitalist organizations, that is, industrial sabotage: the punishment is similar to Article 58-2 shooting or declaring the enemy to be workers with confiscation of property and with the deprivation of citizenship of the Union Republic and, thereby, the citizenship of the USSR and expulsion from the borders of the USSR forever, with the possibility, under extenuating circumstances, of reduction to imprisonment for a term of not less than three years , with confiscation of all or part of the property.
    4. +2
      November 22, 2012
      And this is real sabotage on the scale of the army. Now everyone laughs at the term "sabotage" as a remnant of "Stalinism", but right now it is flourishing in all strategic sectors. And this state of emergency with an army uniform should have been investigated by the military prosecutor's office precisely in the context of deliberate sabotage, and those involved in it should be brought to trial. With the pinning of the cockade to the forehead with one nail at a time.
    5. 0
      November 23, 2012
      But the generals do not wear field uniforms!))
  10. predator.3
    +2
    November 22, 2012
    So we have a country of irresponsibility, Putin created such a regime. Dozens of ammunition depots are burning - Serdyukov is in place, planes are falling and ships are drowning - the Minister of Transport is in place, terrorist attacks are being made - the Minister of Internal Affairs is in place, no one is to blame as usual, so I'm not surprised nothing, but we have a cooperative lake and everything is in order. Extreme - Yudashkin! it remains to be invited for designing the form of Zverev!
    1. +2
      November 22, 2012
      No, the Beast only on hairstyles. With the approach of these great masters, our army will only scare the enemy in appearance. The enemy chokes with laughter, drops his weapon, and even does it in his pants.
      I wonder who this barber served in the air defense forces?
    2. +2
      November 22, 2012
      Another clown version of "at Earrings".

      Torpedo in his ass!
      1. +3
        November 23, 2012
        Yes, he’s bringing him home on a demobilization!
  11. +5
    November 22, 2012
    no matter how hard it is for the Motherland to open the State Reserve and put on "Dedovskoe"
    1. +3
      November 22, 2012
      This good in warehouses is still enough for my grandchildren along the way))). Well, the main thing is not naked, but the Soviet sheepskin coats.
      1. 0
        November 22, 2012
        At the training camp they gave out tunics with a turn-down collar, and the guys in the warehouses cleaned three-rulers. But this is in the 80s
        1. +1
          November 22, 2012
          I had to get to a sewing factory at work (now it’s bankrupt, whoever doubted) We went to the warehouse, so there the Soviet MVD overcoat was covered up with a hangar, ten bundles and accessories for them, you can put on an army there ... It's 2007 year ...
      2. +1
        November 22, 2012
        This is especially true when you fry kebabs at -15. Yes, heavy. "Cool" in all sorts of Marmont and sneakers jump, and you are in felt boots (dimensionless) and a sheepskin coat. And the cognac is lukewarm as it goes well, looking at the frost-blue faces of his friends-friends-girlfriends. wassat
    2. +2
      November 22, 2012
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      no matter how hard it is for the Motherland to open the State Reserve and put on "Dedovskoe"


      In 1982, we were given a uniform with a 1944 stamp for events, we mowed a tunic under the "partisan", in general I liked the breeches
    3. +1
      November 23, 2012
      As I sorted out warehouses of clothing NZ (I didn’t do it myself at all - I supervised the process of loading and re-sorting) I dug shoulder straps of the 44-year-old sample !!!!! And you turn more than one thousand couples - brought it to your father - so he said that he still went to school at 50 - and in the yard was 2000 !!! Maybe where Dedovskoye still lies))))))))
  12. +2
    November 22, 2012
    Until specific surnames of the steals are heard, until confiscation is introduced for economic crimes, and not only in the army, but also in the economy, scientific and cultural spheres, until thieves receive long-term real terms, and now this is an appearance of the fight against corruption or redistribution spheres of influence
  13. +1
    November 22, 2012
    ... the uniform that is now worn in the army is "several times" cheaper than its version.


    Now everything is falling into place. Ministries will order the form at the highest price, make it in a "lightweight" version, and the difference will go into your pocket. You can imagine what a "fat" will be!
  14. +2
    November 22, 2012
    Quote: LiSSyara
    I wonder who this barber served in the air defense forces?

    probably in the warehouse RAV was wiping "such big long Stucks" in launch containers with a solarium! that's the orientation and shifted laughing





    1. +1
      November 23, 2012
      Who will let him into technology. Or an eternal nightstand with tearing off the glasses, or in the dining room with a root-gnaw. Although yes, there comes across carrots. smile
  15. +1
    November 22, 2012
    Yeah, they dressed the fighters. You can now safely say, if innovation is in Russia, consider a new scam. Although I am delighted that I didn’t test the uniform sewed. (Soldiers should admire the uniform). Where is he to know what form is better for dirt, bad weather, if he sews clothes for display, of course he can sew tuxedos, only military men in his uniform can’t defile. The form must be effective first of all (it’s good to have no trinkets). Of course, thieves are unlikely to be transferred. Although, if you want to figure out these crooks, a couple of trifles. The question is for some of those in power.
    I think no.
    1. +1
      November 22, 2012
      Rather not dressed, but "shod".
      1. +1
        November 22, 2012
        not "shod", but "shoes" on the people's denyushki. am
  16. Edya
    +1
    November 22, 2012
    The form was not immediately visible on it and camouflage is not so secretive
  17. +1
    November 22, 2012
    If after this stool they do not close within 1-2 months, this will very negatively affect the confidence of the army and people in the president! Then he will be a resident. But it seems to me that all this was conceived in 2007-2008.
    "Do you want to make a person happy? Take everything from him! And then give it back!"
  18. +1
    November 22, 2012
    I happened to go to the cottons and to the cap and to the hb with the winter and afghanistan shenel pea jacket kerzach tartan padded jacket with earflaps sheepskin boots - it’s guys an unambiguous answer there is no avangan with a cap certainly cool but in winter if you froze then put even two sheepskin coats on the street only through come out, damn it is just a nightmare as I recall
  19. georg737577
    0
    November 22, 2012
    In my opinion, caring for a dress uniform is the last thing. It is much more important to equip a soldier in a modern and ergonomic way, a clear stump - high-quality uniforms will not be cheap. And it can’t be! And this is important to understand. Look at the enemy patterns - the same Bundes or the Americans. As for Yudashkin, he is a fashion designer, not an equipment specialist. They would have ordered a tank design for him ... It would have been a beautiful tank, pink, with rhinestones ... Just for a gay parade!
  20. +1
    November 22, 2012
    They say a lot about the form. The winter and summer form of the infantry bugle differed in a headdress, a lining from an experimental pea jacket, three auxiliary ends in a "mother-in-law's knot", a harness and three carbines + ice ax. But when such people walked around Bagram in the Hindu Kush, the smiles of the current flapped their wings, for who the hell could offend them.
    Do the eggs interfere? Cut them off! Maybe that’s what happens. (like dancing with a tambourine)
    1. +1
      November 23, 2012

      Rep-cord or figure eight? Was there only chest strap? If so then why three carbines? Was the ice ax already in the metal?
      1. 0
        November 23, 2012
        Well, the "rap-cord" in essence is the auxiliary end, I don't remember the diameter, the harness was called a "T-shirt-panties", in two parts, one was put on the shoulders from the back on the chest two loops, and through the legs a grab under the buttocks and the same on chest two loops, four loops on the chest were tied with an auxiliary end. That is, the harness was full, with a belaying and working carabiner on the thigh (not on the chest). One carabiner is always on the hip, the rest is for laying a route over the rocks through the attachment on crutches. An ice ax with a wooden handle, at the end began to be supplied with a hammer instead of a hoe.
  21. 0
    November 22, 2012
    The history of the modernization of the form of the USSR Armed Forces "with their own hands" / or the so-called "tuning" / (who is of course interested).
    So, he studied from 1986 to 1991. He found an old heb with caps, then he was transferred to Afghan. But p / w nevertheless left for the winter.
    In the first year, of course, they drove a little and did not do much modernization. But on the 2nd, there was a scope for creative thought. Well, first of all, the "planchettes" were replaced by diplomats (a feature of military engineering higher educational institutions, when only a pack of training materials can be shoved into a diplomat).
    The first temptation went to the officers' slippers, namely the lame ones. Accordions were not in vogue, so the "button accordion" was made in the area of ​​the rise, and the tops with cream were ironed with an iron so that they stood like an elephant's trunk during the rut. And no one cleaned them with "official" shoe polish, it was not too lazy to spend 17 kopecks. on a normal cream, and to shine like a "cat's eggs".
    By the very form. The prints were not in fashion, for this there was a process of sewing up pants, which, unless you could hardly get into without soap. There was one misfortune - drill reviews, when the whole thing was torn apart, and then again hemmed in the evening. It was easier for me, I was already familiar with my wife, and she had a wonderful device - a sewing machine, and therefore sometimes she had to spend 8-10 pants on her share)))
    Pilots - were given in a short, low version, by initially tearing off a leather substitute, which fixed the contour of the head. In fact, they rested on 3 hairs, but they didn’t have the appearance of a female sex organ (as they were usually called). There is only one drawback - during the marching step, they constantly flew from the head.
    Caps. 25 re, and wonderful guys from Baku make you great tailoring. They really drove for this, because the band was an officer (velvet), and not from felt, but how much buzz! The main patrol is not to come across (and the commandant’s office in Kiev was bestial! At the moment, you could keep silent on the guardhouse).
    Shoulder straps are a separate topic. There were such chelchiks for dental counters, cylindrical. You cut them in half, and insert a regular cadet's shoulder strap, for 90 kopecks. couple. The stripes and "guides" were usually covered with varnish or PVA (so that they would not get dirty from the automatic belt, well, PVA gave a whiter color, like the listeners had, but had a drawback - the glue cracked). But when you take a walk with a gun (even the initial car in the internal guard / wore stripes /), then a normal bruise on the shoulder. If you step into the garrison, then everything got out of the shoulder straps, because with such ammunition on the same "quiche" it was possible to stay for 3-5 days, and only a machine gun would arrive at the gun shop.
    With the introduction of the Afghan, it has become much more complicated. I didn’t like the cap at all, you won’t normally put it on the belt. But the pants are absolutely IV! They are designed for shoes, and did not succumb to any suturing. True, I had to suffer only one year, in the 4th year, but nonetheless. Nevertheless, in the training center, the boots went in the garden, and as a rule, the boots of the air force were used (in the center the main presence of drugs and dressed closer in form than the partisan version).
    On the fifth, the whole everyday, including boots (service boots, not personal chrome ones) was taken off. There was only a winter Afghan (in the UTs and at the shooting range), and then, probably dressed a couple of times, because mostly fired from the PM in the school. But they adapted the winter wearing of pea jackets (without any insignia, even the letters K were not on the shoulder straps). The main thing is that the course of the garrison patrol does not overlap with yours. But on the other hand, in 1990, the famous MO Order No. 350 on wearing civilian clothes in dismissal came out.
    1. 0
      November 22, 2012
      I did not meet one comment.
      Shirts are also a separate issue. Sleeves on them began to shred another year in 1988-89 (but officially they did not shine). I was pleased with the November MO order of 1990, when cadets were allowed to wear a short sleeve. Just in time and seasonally))).
      And about the caps. If memory serves, then they were returned to the officers in the year 89-90. The best hat.
      About shoes on 4-5th courses spoke. The maximum chamfer under the cadets' chromes, although they were impudent even to the point that the Salamanders wore without shoelaces, the main thing is to have a black color.
      Well, the most indispensable in the guard - this is a sheepskin coat and boots, without any upgrades!
      Here was such a design without Hares and Yudasheks.
    2. 0
      November 23, 2012
      When we switched to Afghans in the summer - we rolled up our boots (tarpaulin), but when we rolled back at the tank we didn’t always put our fencing in place — but our legs weren’t extra.
  22. RUSSIA75
    +2
    November 22, 2012
    Yudashkin can be trusted to sew footcloths in a rose, but no more!
  23. 0
    November 23, 2012
    That’s who would have canceled the overcoat (coat) in the army - I would have put a monument to him !!! People (in the Navy) come into the outfit in the most uncomfortable form of clothing - in their greatcoats! I'm just sure that the overcoat should be exclusively part of the full dress.
  24. +2
    November 23, 2012
    The trouble is not in Yudashkin, but in the fact that the uniform (both a parade and an everyday one) was not sent to the army for practical tests. How it was done during the Soviet era. Any changes in the form took place there. And without fail, a detailed form for all indicators was filled out. By the way, there were as many sheets in it as in the questionnaire for admission to the "secret". Sincerely.
  25. boris.radevitch
    +1
    November 23, 2012
    The officials who created the clown’s military uniform shoulder strap
    all put on 3 years! bully bully
  26. Optics
    0
    November 23, 2012
    "However, then the officials of the Ministry of Defense, without the consent of the developer, made "significant constructive changes," said a representative of the department.
    Since the new form was significantly different from the previous one, the army leadership had to bring the "rules for its use" to the troops, but the officials did not. Violations were found in the clothing industry, where they made uniforms, the source added.
    "....
    In a word - no one is responsible for the fighters who died from pneumonia. For stolen-no one. For the next ... x ... nude - no one. For a bunch of sewn and paid shit - no one. .... At least they just showed: it was this bastard who, with his decision, stuck a shoulder strap on his belly! And which bastard approved it? The furniture maker saw - yes! Have you seen the Twixes? YES! Oh!
    1. 0
      November 23, 2012
      Yes, it's time to calm down from the location of the shoulder strap - there are other questions about the form! The flying sotava has no shoulder straps at all on his work clothes - what is it that they love their homeland worse, or what ?! There should not be a shoulder strap on the FIELD uniform on the shoulders !!!!!! A sound thought - our execution, clumsy! And do not write about the sniper - immediately betray yourself as an amateur. Let it remain on the chest - just why do it in the form of a shoulder strap ?! The shoulder strap itself, Velcro, sewn on ?! What is it when you can fix the "Velcro" and "cling" to it insignia? I do not like Americans (for those who will draw analogies) - I am for common sense and functionality!
  27. 0
    November 23, 2012
    It is surprising that while Taburetkin was in power, Yudashkin did not blather, he waited for the military to repent themselves. And as he was dumped, he yelled: "It's not my uniform, I'm not to blame." To what the eternal Russian chino-ass-lizo-dishonesty was enough. While a person is in power, they lick their ass, look into their mouths. As he falls, so "he is, he is that". I'm not defending Serdyukov, sycophants ... or. I believe all the evil comes from them.
    1. 0
      November 23, 2012
      common man,

      And what is news for you, who in our country mainly falls into the leadership and leadership ??? All who work eat lizoblyudy and populists lured. And so in my opinion in all areas. At the head of the principle you cannot live.
  28. 0
    November 23, 2012
    Quote: Dozor
    throw a 50 kg backpack on your back and stomp with it


    Yeah, what a wonderful idea ... It seems to be like some high-winged white-ticketers living on a military site, and not those who gave the Army more than a dozen years of life.
    _________________________________
    On the topic ... as far as I remember, Yudashkin previously generally denied the field uniform, but was "proud" and took credit for creating an exclusively ceremonial uniform. For me, and for the parade it can be revealingly crucified on the porch of his "house".
  29. Blat
    -1
    November 23, 2012
    yes hare to drive the form. even this lousy form you say is much better than the form of the times of the Second World War. and the problem is not in the form. the problem is in the management of the parts. they drive the youngsters to minus 20 and you want them not to hurt. nevertheless, there is no such thing, and the youth is sitting in the cold all day and everything is fine, but they fall into the army and problems
  30. +1
    November 23, 2012
    It was not necessary to disperse a specialized research institute for the design of v / forms, although this is a supply of Furniture, as well as with the liquidation of the Ryazan auto museum.
  31. Bars90
    0
    November 23, 2012
    The form is beautiful, but not practical ... The shoulder straps on the chest turned out to be especially beautiful. It is visible and understandable ... I wish we all decorated with rhinestones.

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