Irkutsk aircraft factory transferred the first Su-30SM to the state customer

Irkut Corporation supplied the Russian Air Force the first two Su-30SM multirole fighters. This was reported in the press release of the company. The acceptance certificate of the aircraft was signed at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. The contract between the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Irkut Corporation for the supply of 30 Su-30SM multi-role fighters to the troops until 2015 was signed in March. When signing the contract, the head of the Russian military department Anatoly Serdyukov said that entering the Su-30SM Armed Forces would significantly increase the combat power of the Russian Air Force. In addition, according to the Minister of Defense, "this will allow to achieve a higher level of training for pilots, which is especially important in connection with the increase in military procurement aviation new generation technology. "The Su-30SM multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter is a further development of the Su-30MK family. The developer adapted the aircraft to the requirements of the Air Force of the Russian Federation in terms of radar systems, radio communications and state recognition, ejection seats, changes were made to the composition of weapons and a number of supporting systems. The Su-30SM can reach speeds of up to 2100 km / h and has a range of three thousand kilometers. The aircraft can carry various types of missiles and bombs weighing up to eight tons. The first flight of the Su-30SM for the Russian Air Force completed 21 September over the airfield of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant.

Comments

[YARY]

About a dozen of these deliveries are also in chocolate!

[Dart weyder]

total - 2x10 = 20 ...... modest

[Vanek]

Pills Me from greed, but more more.

[YARY]

I'm not thirsty! I'm thrifty!

[Vanek]

Quote: Ardent

I'm thrifty!

Somehow, yes. Something like this.

Greetings to Andrew.

[YARY]

With a compliment Vanya!
Such news and more !!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Hello people, why only about a dozen? We would have at least a couple of hundred such aircraft at worst, that would be for happiness.

[Vanek]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

why only a dozen?

Well, you and I know that the hen is a grain ..........

Good afternoon, Alexander.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vanek

Well, you and I know that the chicken is a grain ..

the chicken we bite very little, you need dozens, not units

[VAF]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

the chicken we bite very little, you need dozens, not units

Sanya, hello! The news is very good, it was broadcasted, in principle, very quickly, although it would be strange if it were different, because the car was created, or rather "converted" from the Algerian / Malaysian version, ie. MKA / MKM, therefore, the photo in the news of the Algerian, in principle, is like a hint

Although it would be reasonable to put a photo of our Mu-30SM, the authors ... please change !!!

[Lieutenant colonel]

I figured it on my knees - we need to give out such news every 4-5 months. Then everything will be all right with us.

[patriot2]

Good "birdie"!
For superiority in the air you need 200 such pieces, and maybe more.

[I-16M]

Irkutsk +
Combat training souhe does well

[Ustin]

The photo shows the SU 30 MKA, the SM is a little different, but it's not essential. The principle is that next year there will be more "pills".

[VAF]

Quote: Ustin

The photo shows the SU 30 MCA, the SM is slightly different, but this is not fundamentally

What can I say ..... RESPECT and HUGE RESPECT TO THE WHOLE TEAM!

Keep it up +! I hope that our "leaders" and the ordering department will not "put a spoke in the wheel"!

[PLO]

hello, Sergey.

and where does he have pylons for suspension?
except for the two extremes, nothing is visible

and where will he go known?

[VAF]

Quote: olp

hello, Sergey.

and where does he have pylons for suspension?
except for the two extremes, nothing is visible

There are different approaches at the KnAPO and Irkut factories ... the first ones are put right away, Irkut before testing weapons systems.

Here the Hindu is already fully accepted, as you see ... everything is the same ...

And they have a large option for downloads and suspensions and PUs are not always used, so they can be installed for a specific option, but before that ... you have to wait

Quote: olp

and where will he go known?

Probably in GLITS .. then after graduation ... to Lipetsk, well, only then ..... to the army!

[Irkutsk]

For several years we watched how these beautiful devices were tested over our city and they flew to India on "Ruslans". We were glad for our combat training, but their appearance is not up to 30x. And finally, at our Air Force on the street, a truck with gingerbread turned over. I don't work at the aircraft plant myself, but I live nearby, I observe handsome men almost every day, and what the testers do on them ...

[alexng]

Hello to the Irkutsk citizen!
He lived in Irkutsk until the 98 year. Now my children live there daughter and son. My son, by the way, works at an aircraft factory in KB. I also liked to watch flights before, then SU-27. The sight is bewitching. Glad for Russia, for Irkutsk, for my son! more would be such birds and different.

[Irkutsk]

Have a nice one you too. By the way, they correctly wrote - Irkutianin, and some Muscovites from Irkutsk are calling us.

[Thunderbolt]

stop. and why do you have the nickname Moscow ???

[Irkutsk]

and so that they feel more comfortable, or they don’t like them anywhere, it’s a pity for people, not all of them are effective field managers, there are normal people.

[Thunderbolt]

You are good people, Siberians! I myself live in the cosmic capital of our homeland, on the Volga River. But I crossed paths with your "people". They say that salvation for Russia will come from Siberia. Today, I learned that 2 guardian angels have already arrived. Dear residents of Irkutsk, send us more of these birds!

[VAF]

Quote: alexneg

Glad for Russia, for Irkutsk, for my son!

A huge hello to my son and sincere wishes for success in work !!! +!

[Wedmak]

But they fly with missiles. I read somewhere that missiles have a certain number of take-off / landing cycles, then they are either used or scrapped (although I can’t imagine how this affects the rocket), is that true?

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

But they fly with missiles.

These are weight and size models, as always ... to comply with weighting, centering and balancing during tests +!

Quote: Wedmak

I read somewhere that missiles have a certain number of take-off / landing cycles

There are only developments and landings therefore, in daily training, they use training missiles (which "hit" without restrictions) or imitators, and combat ones only for "combat work", in a duty unit, well, there is a certain periodicity in "airing" and "adjusting" (specific missiles are always tried, for a specific aircraft - at least it was like that before ).
The shelf life of products is very long, therefore, the shooting of missiles due to the "statute of limitations" it happens very rarely ... usually those. that were not used on time. "Transfer" to the category of "educational"!

[Wedmak]

Thanks, thanks.
PS
Vaf, for some reason, the text on your right sometimes goes beyond the border of the field. On an 2-4 character. I have never seen anything like this before.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

for some reason, the text on your right sometimes goes beyond the border of the field.

When the photo is very large, I want everything to fit. after all, not all are clickable. so you try to shift the photo to the left as much as possible .. and because of this, the text is stretched and often .. cropped .. sorry +

And he just noticed that he attached the photo to you .... for some reason your Su-35UB "stuck", but there should be a Su-30MKM

[alexng]

Thank you, Sergey! And thank you for the professional assessment of everything that happens with aviation and for the cool pictures. Specialist is immediately visible.

[VAF]

Quote: Irkutsk

And finally, at our Air Force on the street a truck with gingerbread rolls over.

+++++++ !!!!!!

[Dart weyder]

new things please)))) the truth is the party is not enough ... and this is not entirely clear - "due to an increase in the volume of purchases of new generation military aircraft" now the 4th generation, some who are already in the 5th armament, but 4+; 4 ++, 4 ++++++++++++++ - still not the fifth generation ...

[Nymp]

Quote: Dart Weyder

though the party is not enough ... and this is not entirely clear -

Yes, I also noticed that updating our aircraft is somehow drop by drop, strictly prescribed standards. But huge funds are allocated! Again they steal? Or is it beneficial for someone to keep Russia on a short leash?

[Dart weyder]

time will tell ... although such a fragmentation is really not clear ....

[alexng]

The advantage of the 5 generation over 4 ++ is controversial and exists only in doubtful stealth. There are some more points, and it is better for experts to tell about this, but this is not so important. Already need to think about the 6-th generation - in the same dimensions as the 5-th, but without a pilot, i.e. combat drills and drones.

[Dart weyder]

About the 6th! ??? Duc even with the 5th did not figure it out .. there are no new technologies ... well, if the ability to fly at high supersonic speeds for a long time without afterburner is a dubious advantage .. as well as stealth ... then I don’t know ... (not We take American planes as an ideal - they were the first to rivet, they overtook everyone, now they can be caught up), because being unnoticed - you want to be the first to launch a missile at the enemy - is not an advantage !? the right of the first shot is a controversial advantage for you! ??? and "other" moments there are even more))) the same AFAR gives an advantage in the detection range of objects in the air, on land, water .... also in their likeness (AFAR) create electronic warfare systems. and much more interesting in the 5th generation

[Joker]

Well, let's say there the American 5 generation is not very different from our 4 and more often than not, this mythical invisibility of bullshit, welcome to the coverage of our radars and air defense is called

[VAF]

Quote: Joker

Well, let's say there the American 5 generation is not very different from our 4

Oleg, +!

Quote: Joker

and more often than not, this mythical invisibility of bullshit

And here in general +++++++++++!

[leon-iv]

this mythical invisibility of bullshit, welcome to the coverage of our radar and air defense is called
It is if there is a multi-level and complex system.
And the most important thing is the time spent on the regulation. As far as I remember, the 4th generation is much better with this. In PAK FA, the time requirement is also a serious service.

[Wedmak]

Glad for starting supplies.
But still I don’t quite understand the fundamental difference between Su-27СМ and Su-30СМ? What are these modifications - understandable, but the application? Vicki read, Su-30 - a two-seat aircraft guidance and target designation ... uh .... and all? all the difference?

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

But still I don’t quite understand the fundamental difference between the Su-27SM and Su-30SM?

Huge .... starting with the glider. engines, avionics, etc. and so on ..... I'm not talking about combat capabilities at all. so as not to "upset" the Su-27SM +!

And advice ... read less to Vika ..... the Sukhoi official website is better, there are certainly a lot of embellishments there, but at least it’s clear what they are working on, how and what is the end .. they plan!

[Wedmak]

No, no ... glider, engines, avionics, etc., it is clear that it is significantly different. But just in terms of combat capabilities and I don’t understand. Looks very much like 27СМ, only with a crew of 2 people.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

But just in terms of combat capabilities and I don’t understand.

On the Su-27SM Sword, on the Su-30SM Bars

Quote: Wedmak

It looks like 27CM, only with a crew of 2 people.

Then it is necessary to compare in similarity with the Su-30M2

So to say, that would be clear ... the answer to your question and comparison

Quote: Wedmak

Only with a crew of 2 people.

Because the Su-27UBP and Su-27PU are taken as the "basis" By the way, all ILEs have been produced with such names for a very long time and not Su-30

Here is the very first prototype of the Su-30 MKI ... so to speak .. "progenitor" of the family

[Wedmak]

Those. roughly speaking, it turns out the Su-27SM is the finishing of the Su-27 to the "multipurpose" state, while the Su-30SM was originally created like that on the basis of UB? Accordingly, flight characteristics, equipment, and weapons are better, more precisely, etc. So?
Or, if we draw an analogy with the Ka-52 (Su-30СМ) helicopters -control + strike weapons, the Mi-28 (Su-27СМ) - strike weapons?

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

Those. roughly speaking, it turns out the Su-27SM is the finishing of the Su-27 to the "multipurpose" state, while the Su-30SM was originally created like that on the basis of UB? Accordingly, flight characteristics, equipment, and weapons are better, more precisely, etc. So?

So, +!

Quote: Wedmak

Or, if we draw an analogy with the Ka-52 (Su-30СМ) helicopters -control + strike weapons, the Mi-28 (Su-27СМ) - strike weapons?

The same is true, but if .. very "rude" because Su-27SM .... still far from ... shock in full understanding of this term

Through the air .. yes ... +! but on the ground .... ... more so far photo shoots ....

And it happens ... that is not always .... successful (I understand that the joke is also not very successful, but ... so to speak .. fact ... on the face)

[PLO]

what happened to him? The front desk breaks?

[VAF]

Quote: olp

what happened to him? The front desk breaks?

Has developed, +! Burst brace Done fast

Hold. To cheer you up

[Wedmak]

Thank you, in general, I understood what was happening.

[black_eagle]

It is high time!!! The Chinese have armed the Indians too, it’s the cobbler without boots, it’s time to think about yourself! At such a pace, the entire PAK FA export program will leave, not permissible!

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: black_eagle

it's time to think about yourself!

So when in our Primorye Territory such people begin to fly over their heads as in the past, then you can really sleep peacefully!

[Alejandro]

Friends, explain to me please, if we have a Su-35, MiG-35 on the approach of the T-50, then why do we need the Su-27SM Su 30SM ...? As a combat training? So there is the Yak-130. Isn't it better to make a bigger Su-35 - more advanced and maintain, repair the same type of aircraft more profitable and easier.

[Wedmak]

T-50 is still far from coming. In a couple of years, maybe it will go into series.
Su-35С is by far the most advanced modification, sooo heavily redesigned 27. He just went to the series.
Mig-35 if it does not change memory has not yet gone into the series, there are only prototypes.
Prior to the Su-27СМ, it seems like it is possible to upgrade existing machines, this is a cost savings.
Su-30СМ did not understand it myself ... but it seems like a machine sharpened for control and target designation.
Nevertheless, all these machines, with the exception of the MiG and T-50, are made on the same base. Specialists think correct.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

but it’s kind of like a machine sharpened for control and target designation.

It’s like they read it on wikis Since someone wrote about this in a forum in an article. only in my opinion related it to KnAPO Su-30M2

[Wedmak]

So ... Vicky, I don't really believe. Hence all these "like" and "like". Therefore, I ask.

[Lissyara]

Yak-130 and Su-30 are vehicles of completely different classes. If the 130th simulates the "control" of modern combat aircraft, then the 30th is a real specimen for "completing the training" in combat units of lieutenants, before being put on independent flights in the cockpit of the Su-35 or retraining pilots who are transferred to Sushki from other machines. Nobody has ever given up on doubles in the army.

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

The Yak-130 and Su-30 are completely different class cars.

Seryoga, hello +! Absolutely central .. even comparing them is not correct!

Quote: LiSSyara

this is a real specimen for "retraining" in combat units of lieutenants, before they are put on independent flights in the cockpit of the Su-35

In principle, this is from hopelessness, because. there are practically few UBShek left, so there are 4 new Su-30M2s and "I serve. now all 3 .." bases "(here's a word ... what a ... taburetkin) ..... 2nd from Korenovtsy, and one by one flew to Dzemgi and Uglovaya.

And the Su-30SM for the Su-35 is ...... not a fountain. in addition to other equipment, other motors. another glider, other performance characteristics (with all that it implies), etc. etc.

There is a long time for retraining and initial training (i.e., the Su-35UB was created and tested ....... you can pick up 4 pieces from Vityazi, but they’re practically idle anyway

[VAF]

Quote: Alejandro

if we have Su-35, MiG-35

In fact, there are still no cars different in class and purpose!

Quote: Alejandro

on the approach of the T-50,

Very soon, very .... but it will be!

Quote: Alejandro

then why do we need the Su-27SM Su 30SM ...?

Su-27SM-at least some kind of modernization and an attempt to make a multifunctional. because in fact, they were left without an IBA, but what they wanted, it turned out to put it mildly not very. that's why the Su-30SM appeared (praise be to the Almighty ) .....!

Quote: Alejandro

So there is the Yak-130.

Yak-130-training aircraft, about UBS is ... a lure with a panama!

[leon-iv]

What do you think this bird will be sent to the Black Sea Fleet?
that's why the Su-30SM appeared (praise be to the Almighty fellow) .....!
Meanwhile, they ordered it at the furniture maker.

[VAF]

Quote: leon-iv

What do you think this bird will be sent to the Black Sea Fleet?

Most likely yes, because The Su-24th is already ... really a bit old, and there is no longer any strike aircraft on the Black Sea theater ..... unfortunately, no! +

[leon-iv]

Good cho.
Right now on cats Indians will practice with Onyxes, and then they will switch to X-101

[Lissyara]

Sergey, hello.
I still remember in the late 80s, on the basis of the Su-27, the sparks (I do not remember the letters) tried to make some kind of simplified (not according to the glider, but as intended!) Analogy to the MiG-31, where a control and guidance officer would sit in the second cockpit.
It seems I’m not confusing anything.

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

It seems I’m not confusing anything.

No, you don't confuse anything +! True, this did not go into the series and this Su-27PU was "called names" (I have already written about this more than once, there were functions for the control and guidance of 4 Su-27s), then it began to be called Su-30, not much was released, but according to the main type of purpose it was never used ... but they also began to be used as twin, flying laboratories, well, at the Knights, two were at the GLITS in the aerobatic group (at Kvochur).

Now this function is implemented in the Su-30M2

[schta]

There should be airplanes: 1) a lot! 2) different

[Wedmak]

Forgot another item.
3) in working condition and in operation!

[Lissyara]

I will add: with the required number of flight and engineering personnel and the appropriate level of training. For "airplanes" do not know how to fly themselves, although they are called "self" "years"

[Region-25.rus]

And one more point.
4) sufficiently trained pilots and maintenance personnel

[Lissyara]

Quote: vaf

There is a long time for retraining and initial training (i.e., the Su-35UB was created and tested ....... you can pick up 4 pieces from Vityazi, but they’re practically idle anyway

But I didn’t watch them in Kubinka. Hm ...

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

But I didn’t watch them in Kubinka. Hm ...

Seryoga (just don’t think about the rise ....) + - I didn’t look there, I didn’t look there, not in that state. I need to know the place, etc., etc.

Keep ... as a keepsake!

Well .. larger, that would not cause doubts

You will ... ask the guys. what would be in the ... "sump" was taken, but on the .. "wide" you will not see them

[PLO]

those. created and tested Su-35UB.

Is the Su-35UB based on the old Su-35 (Su-27M)?
and if the army has a shortage of sparks, then why are they idle?

[VAF]

Quote: olp

Is the Su-35UB based on the old Su-35 (Su-27M)?

her Oleg Sukhovtsev is all so confused. that without you will not understand:

1. Su-27M is a modernized Su-27S.
2. The first-generation Su-35s are completely different machines, starting with a nose strut with two wheels and so on.
In the Knights they are just Su-35-e - two pre-production and 3 already serial.
4.Su-35BM is the modernization of the Su-35
3. Su-35S is the second generation and the final version

We are not considering the Su-37, because it is no longer there, but the difference was from Su-35 in engines with OVT, which were subsequently replaced by standard ones for Su-35BM.

All planes fell to the Knights in the period 2001-2003 after years of testing in the LII and GLITs ... so you understand yourself ....

Well, there are a number of other reasons .. but .... you understand

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

But I didn’t watch them in Kubinka. Hm ...

I forgot to clarify that in the Su-35 Cuban there are both Su-27S and Su-30s (two pieces)

[Lissyara]

Serge, enormous senks. It will be necessary to admire.
Where did I go? Yes, escho sometimes I work and I go to meetings, even in a truck. Although with comrade-in-command officers we will translate it into a real ashore, the benefit today is without a rudder.

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

Where did I go? Yes, escho sometimes I work and I go to meetings, even in a truck. Although with comrade-in-command officers we will translate it into a real ashore, the benefit today is without a rudder

So for the identity, +! As soon as with the comrades, it’s fifty dollars, but what about indulging in a hundredth, well, and the third ... this is holy ... you don’t see the edges, or what?

Well, then she rushed .... and to the parking lot, so where will she go

That's how we live

but fun and there is always something to remember: fellow

[Lissyara]

Earrings, when I get home, I will post a photo of the 7th generation of aircraft, developed and passed flight tests for the 95th anniversary of the Air Force in Monino.

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

Seryoz, I'll get to the house

Well then, I went dog walk, +!

[Lissyara]

So, on August 11, 2007, 95 years of the Russian Air Force, the holiday is held at the Russian Air Force Academy. Yu.A. Gagarin, in Monino. The beauty of this celebration was that there was no such "stupid mass" as for 100 years of the Air Force. There were no invitations, the audience was just its own, and even in the "museum" zone at the entrance, the riot police allowed to bring whatever you wanted. The only thing, they asked to open a bottle of cognac and cormorant pyva, sniffed (like not acid, not nitroglycerin, etc.) and go on. He offered to take a sip, but they referred to the service. This is not football. It is quite problematic to get into an airplane or a helicopter in the sky at a distance of 300-700 m with a glass. And by the way, the prices were humane, not for 70-130 rubles. for a bank of "Zhiguli" (they really did not exist then), and rubles are 5-7 more expensive (taking into account that there will be their own officers, and salaries were then more than modest).
The company was small, a son (the first vacation after the first year), a girlfriend / nothing vulgar, she herself is an Air Force officer / (the wife was in the hospital, and her daughter gave birth on the day 95 years of the Air Force, although at the age I will not get confused).
In general, the morning began beautifully.
Barbecue and flights.
The company has not yet been.

And a weird little barbecue popped.

Continuation further.

[Lissyara]

Still further, a team of representatives is going to:
Design Bureau named after P.O. Sukhoi (engineering staff)
RSK MiG (identity design engineer)
GLITS them. V.P. Chkalova (the guys were on vacation), Akhtubinsk
Gromovsky PERSON (test pilots)
The Air Force represented by the Academy and just military personnel.
We drink a different set (cognac, vodka, pivasik), and the last one has this property, do not finish on time (48 cans somehow quickly ended).
It is clear that you can’t send the children, and my son sent 78 more cans as the Il-48go.
Well, what to take from a half-drunk freshman cadet. It disappeared somewhere about 20 minutes, but with fuel appeared, and with a huge package on his chest. I bought an aircraft in the form of a Chinese snake. The people had little interest in fuel, and the assembly of this design began. Exactly, made in China, but licensed by the Russian Federation. With the help of some mom and precision equipment, we somehow assembled this device as a Swiss knife (we almost broke all the side members, we had to file it).
The launch involved men from the Gromov Research Institute. The car turned out unsuccessful. The elevation differences were up to 15 m and constantly fought on the ground at 30 m.
Continued below.

Further, representatives of the RSK MiG took up the design. To this flying wing, as stabilizers, were tied 4 canned beer cans. Howling in the sky stood as if from the Ju-87 "Lapotnik", but they did not achieve normal characteristics. The option with crumpled cans did not bring any results either.
And then the representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau took up the matter, at the end of the second box of pyva.
"We will make a heavy kite according to an unstable aerodynamic scheme to gain dominance over the crows."
2 flags were used - the Russian Federation and the USSR Air Force. (The Russian Federation was 2 times smaller in half-life). The serpent flew awesome, but periodically fell into a tailspin. + The Chinese production of the Russian flag failed, it broke, I had to buy a new one.
Further, the scheme was redone, the centering was determined, and "SumiG" (some Finnish name) or "MiGSU" (this is generally Japanese) rose into the sky.
But nevertheless, 3 more 30 m long rails were purchased (about Chinese engines - the same as their fishing line). The Monin peasants found a normal 150 m of kapron thread, and the device came into service.
Moreover, the lifting force was so strong that it pulled off.
While drank, he was attached to a tree and hung in the air.

Life-size flag of the Air Force (it was removed from the flagpole).
And I won’t forget the words of my son when a man tried to buy the flag of the Air Force:
"Man, remember. Homeland, sky and space are not for sale"

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

And I won’t forget the words of my son when a man tried to buy the flag of the Air Force:
"Man, remember. Homeland, sky and space are not for sale"

Seryoga, there are no words .. one .. a quiet yelp from delight +++++++ !!!!!!

And even more so that "on gas" ...... reads like .. drinking .... easy, pleasant, with great pleasure and .. warmth immediately on the soul !!!!!

all .... I’ll go the same pump .... for the Air Force and you .. with the family!

[Alex 241]

Well damn well done, I can’t laugh + + + + + + + + + + + +

[Lissyara]

So we also did not sit sickly in Kratovo this year for the 100th anniversary. The house was rented with a bathhouse. In general, there was a pause after the closure of the whole wonderful holiday on Sunday.
I’m sorry, I can’t post the photo, because there will be many faces of acquaintances.
If with a PM for a bottle of Chianti, then no question

[Lissyara]

Well so. I have a bottle of Akhtamar (a relic already) on the table.
Well, for the Air Force!

By the way, another couple of 30s.
Over Akhtubinsk

But it seems Algerian, but for some reason with the stars. And something is not really like a 30-ku.

[Alex 241]

Here's another in the import outfit.

[Lissyara]

Well, Indians are notable people.
Somewhere else there were Brooms and Malaysia.
Well, this one from last year's MAX.

But this one I liked the most, on Sunday, at the closing (this is when Bogdan had problems with the T50). How beautifully it took off (I’m talking about the 380th) and had a good time with the people. We deliberately waited (under the rain, even in Kratovo we were not particularly keen to "drink vodka and break the riots" in honor of the end of MAKS).

[VAF]

Quote: Alex 241

Here's another in the import outfit.

Seryoga, +! These are the very, very first Su-27UBPs, but for the Indians they "called" the Su-30K ... in principle, a refueling rod and some other little things, but only by "air" they could work!

Oh ... and I have ... one Utk-30 nat has changed

They are now in Baranovichi at the plant. already "washed" are being converted into Su-30KN

[Lissyara]

The bird is lovely, closing.

[studentmati]

From one type of slipways and primed aluminum, I want to scream enthusiastically !!!! Are we going up?

[Lissyara]

Alexander, alas.
It is washed for Hindus.

[studentmati]

Seryozha, but Hope dies last !!! Already a great blessing is that all this is being done with our hands and for our families!

[Alex 241]

Sanya hope does not die, still warm.

[studentmati]

Glimmering - that's for sure! And it seems to me with a creak, but the forward movement begins! Let by the same examples "Irkut" or "Komsomolsk" ... And recently I talked with the guys, and in the niche of "special products" there is already a big shift!

[Lissyara]

Here in the state of money, even with your ass eat.
Well, or who is stopping the construction of a couple more aircraft plants, and so that they work only for the defense industry?
Or "Give the oilbags the pocket of the oligarchs"? I would kill.
What is KnAAPO? Plant with a gulkin nose, for screwing up Dry Experimentals.

[Alex 241]

Seryozha, less gas, but who you interfere with, you yourself know .......... What kind of defense is there.

[studentmati]

It seems to me that today there are not enough real leaders (effective managers in foreign countries), such as Korolev, Glushko, Tupolev, Sukhoi, .... The President will give anyone !!!! who will present compelling arguments !!! Is the school of our aerospace designers dead ....? I do not believe....!!!!

[Alex 241]

Sanya needs leaders, whatever you call them, and not lobbyists who push projects only out of material interest, not ideas.

[studentmati]

The modern training institute is precisely focused on the issue of universal managers. For me - this is complete horror! A true leader, however, like an officer, must go from a locksmith (sergeant) to a master (lieutenant) and beyond (meaning is clear).

[Alex 241]

Sanya training school is lost, I hope not forever.

[studentmati]

Sasha, they remained, albeit few, but devoted to their work .... We have no way out! Either revive training schools, or learn Chinese ....

[Ruslan67]

Sasha! when I hear - an effective manager I have two reactions: either one mate or I remember the one who they really were whatever they say They called him Lavrenty Pavlovich

[Lissyara]

Malaysia

I especially like the shape in the second cabin

[Alex 241]

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[Lissyara]

Hindus without "parrot" coloring.

Chinese MKK

Vietnam MK2V

Indonesia

And the penguin, or rather the peacock MK2V from Vanika

It seems they didn’t deliver anywhere else.

And now the question! Why are they all front stabilizers (or what are they called there) differ?

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

Why are they all front stabilizers (or what are they called there) differ?

Seryoga, come on tomorrow, otherwise I’m already on the glide path in front of the distant one and have given the go-ahead clearance! +!

In short: all who are from Irkut - with PGO and OVT, all who are from KnAAPO- without PGO and OVT

[Alex 241]

Earrings, let's taxi

[Lissyara]

It is now clear.

[PLO]

In short: all who are from Irkut - with PGO and OVT, all who are from KnAAPO- without PGO and OVT

how so
and the Su-35S?
He is going to KnAAPO, and the 117C product (AL-41-F1S) with OBT, even if only in one plane

[Alex 241]

Seryog aerodynamic scheme "duck" interests you?

[VAF]

Quote: Alex 241

Seryog aerodynamic scheme "duck" interests you?

Exclusively in the form of ... snack and fried ....

And I have you for the night ... with a gadget photo +!

[Alex 241]

Well, commander, as always on top

[VAF]

Quote: Alex 241

Well, commander, as always on top

Well, you know .... his skill is .... you will not drink

I still like the Venezuelan from this angle ....

[Lissyara]

Yes, in principle, in the know what it is.
It seems that Mikoyan and Gurevich have made the first prototype with "Karlson"?
I can of course be mistaken.
But then the hybrid turns out. Stabilizers both front and rear. Well, maneuverability increases, + surely additional balancing (remember, aerodynamics I remember only at the level of aircraft modeling from school).

[Alex 241]

I will try earrings briefly, this scheme provides better controllability in pitch angles without loss of lift since the lifting force coincides in the direction with the lifting force of the wing. But there are a number of disadvantages.

[studentmati]

Today there are more shortcomings. We are waiting for the development of technology and design solutions. 47 car, no matter what - a masterpiece !!!

[Lissyara]

Sash
Now everything is clear. And why did they screw them onto deck 33.
Senks. So what are pitch angles and lifting force - I know.
And as I understand it, the front in the machine taxi?

[Alex 241]

Sorry brother, otherwise we were somehow dragged for snobbery

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

It seems they didn’t deliver anywhere else.

Algeria....

Uganda...

[Lissyara]

Seryozha, Algeria I mentioned, but Uganda was a discovery for me.
Etozh lope bananas need to be sold in order to save up for one 30th?
Or are they still supplying Russia with bananas for debt?

[Alex 241]

Earrings in memorable times, the echelon of a kiwi on IL76 was changed by barter.

[Lissyara]

Those. heels of trains with Chinese lighters Mona was to wave to the An-124 without looking.

[Alex 241]

Yes, it’s easy Seryozha, even for condoms.

[VAF]

Quote: LiSSyara

Etozh lope bananas need to be sold in order to save up for one 30th?

Quote: LiSSyara

Or are they still supplying Russia with bananas for debt?

Her, it’s probably easier there ...... "bad credit", which upon arrival at the place ... suddenly turns into "returnable", but not to those who need it, but to those who need it ...

[Lissyara]

Clearly, half the Brezhnev policy. Like Africa, we armed, but we’ll cut denyushk at night.

[studentmati]

I want to return and live at a time when any self-respecting regional center had its own aerospace production, or a military unit with its own airfield and infrastructure ... But, you know, that was ..... And against this background still happy that aviation production is reviving! Let under new conditions, even under new laws, albeit with a creak and a crack, but still reborn! Thank God that we are not yet buying aircraft assembly plants from the same Chinese!

[Alejandro]

Apparently, I dumped everything in a heap and many did not understand me. And I wanted to say this: the Su-35, as I understand it, together with the FB, the Su-34 will be the basis of our combat aviation in the 20s, and the Su-35 is quite significantly different from the Su-27SM and Su-30SM. With the completion of the Su-27do SM everything is clear, but why are the Su-30 and not the Su-35 purchased? If for training - that is, the Yak-130 and for "finishing" to finalize and deliver the Su-35UB

Quote: vaf

And the Su-30SM for the Su-35 is ...... not a fountain. in addition to other equipment, other motors. another glider, other performance characteristics (with all that it implies), etc. etc. For a retraining and initial training there is a long time (i.e., the Su-35UB was created and tested ....

So I wanted to understand whether the factories are not able to quickly establish production of the Su-35, or there is another reason ... Indeed, logically, the old ones need to be modernized, and you need to buy a new one and preferably the same type.