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Irkutsk aircraft factory transferred the first Su-30SM to the state customer

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Irkut Corporation supplied the Russian Air Force the first two Su-30SM multirole fighters. This was reported in the press release of the company. The acceptance certificate of the aircraft was signed at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. The contract between the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Irkut Corporation for the supply of 30 Su-30SM multi-role fighters to the troops until 2015 was signed in March. When signing the contract, the head of the Russian military department Anatoly Serdyukov said that entering the Su-30SM Armed Forces would significantly increase the combat power of the Russian Air Force. In addition, according to the Minister of Defense, "this will allow to achieve a higher level of training for pilots, which is especially important in connection with the increase in military procurement aviation new generation technology. "The Su-30SM multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter is a further development of the Su-30MK family. The developer adapted the aircraft to the requirements of the Air Force of the Russian Federation in terms of radar systems, radio communications and state recognition, ejection seats, changes were made to the composition of weapons and a number of supporting systems. The Su-30SM can reach speeds of up to 2100 km / h and has a range of three thousand kilometers. The aircraft can carry various types of missiles and bombs weighing up to eight tons. The first flight of the Su-30SM for the Russian Air Force completed 21 September over the airfield of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 23 November 2012 07: 54
    +2
    About a dozen of these deliveries are also in chocolate!
    1. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 23 November 2012 08: 24
      +7
      total - 2x10 = 20 ...... modest feel
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 23 November 2012 07: 59
    +8
    Pills Me from greed, but more more.
    1. YARY
      YARY 23 November 2012 08: 02
      +4
      laughing laughing laughing laughing
      I'm not thirsty! I'm thrifty!
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 23 November 2012 08: 03
        +1
        Quote: Ardent
        I'm thrifty!


        Somehow, yes. Something like this.

        Greetings to Andrew.
        1. YARY
          YARY 23 November 2012 08: 09
          +1
          With a compliment Vanya! drinks
          Such news and more !!! fellow
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 November 2012 08: 13
            +9
            Hello people, why only about a dozen? We would have at least a couple of hundred such aircraft at worst, that would be for happiness. hi
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 23 November 2012 08: 16
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              why only a dozen?


              Well, you and I know that the hen is a grain ..........

              Good afternoon, Alexander.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 November 2012 08: 49
                +1
                Quote: Vanek
                Well, you and I know that the chicken is a grain ..

                the chicken we bite very little, you need dozens, not units hi
                1. VAF
                  VAF 23 November 2012 11: 57
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  the chicken we bite very little, you need dozens, not units


                  Sanya, hello! The news is very good, it was broadcasted, in principle, very quickly, although it would be strange if it were different, because the car was created, or rather "converted" from the Algerian / Malaysian version, ie. MKA / MKM, therefore, the photo in the news of the Algerian, in principle, is like a hint wink

                  Although it would be reasonable to put a photo of our Mu-30SM, the authors ... please change !!! hi

            2. Lieutenant colonel
              Lieutenant colonel 23 November 2012 09: 14
              +2
              I figured it on my knees - we need to give out such news every 4-5 months. Then everything will be all right with us.
  3. patriot2
    patriot2 23 November 2012 07: 59
    +3
    Good "birdie"!
    For superiority in the air you need 200 such pieces, and maybe more. smile
  4. I-16M
    I-16M 23 November 2012 08: 01
    +1
    Irkutsk +
    Combat training souhe does well
  5. Ustin
    Ustin 23 November 2012 08: 17
    +3
    The photo shows the SU 30 MKA, the SM is a little different, but it's not essential. The principle is that next year there will be more "pills".
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Ustin
      The photo shows the SU 30 MCA, the SM is slightly different, but this is not fundamentally


      What can I say ..... RESPECT and HUGE RESPECT TO THE WHOLE TEAM! soldier

      Keep it up +! I hope that our "leaders" and the ordering department will not "put a spoke in the wheel"! drinks

      1. PLO
        PLO 23 November 2012 13: 57
        +2
        hello, Sergey.

        and where does he have pylons for suspension?
        except for the two extremes, nothing is visible

        and where will he go known?
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 November 2012 14: 51
          +2
          Quote: olp
          hello, Sergey.

          and where does he have pylons for suspension?
          except for the two extremes, nothing is visible


          There are different approaches at the KnAPO and Irkut factories ... the first ones are put right away, Irkut before testing weapons systems.

          Here the Hindu is already fully accepted, as you see ... everything is the same ...



          And they have a large option for downloads and suspensions and PUs are not always used, so they can be installed for a specific option, but before that ... you have to wait soldier

          Quote: olp
          and where will he go known?


          Probably in GLITS .. then after graduation ... to Lipetsk, well, only then ..... to the army! soldier
  6. Irkutsk
    Irkutsk 23 November 2012 08: 21
    +5
    For several years we watched how these beautiful devices were tested over our city and they flew to India on "Ruslans". We were glad for our combat training, but their appearance is not up to 30x. And finally, at our Air Force on the street, a truck with gingerbread turned over. I don't work at the aircraft plant myself, but I live nearby, I observe handsome men almost every day, and what the testers do on them ...
    1. alexng
      alexng 23 November 2012 08: 59
      +6
      Hello to the Irkutsk citizen! drinks
      He lived in Irkutsk until the 98 year. Now my children live there daughter and son. My son, by the way, works at an aircraft factory in KB. I also liked to watch flights before, then SU-27. The sight is bewitching. Glad for Russia, for Irkutsk, for my son! more would be such birds and different. good
      1. Irkutsk
        Irkutsk 23 November 2012 09: 02
        +1
        Have a nice one you too. By the way, they correctly wrote - Irkutianin, and some Muscovites from Irkutsk are calling us.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 23 November 2012 09: 30
          0
          stop. and why do you have the nickname Moscow ??? what
          1. Irkutsk
            Irkutsk 23 November 2012 10: 11
            0
            and so that they feel more comfortable, or they don’t like them anywhere, it’s a pity for people, not all of them are effective field managers, there are normal people.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 23 November 2012 14: 49
              0
              good You are good people, Siberians! I myself live in the cosmic capital of our homeland, on the Volga River. But I crossed paths with your "people". They say that salvation for Russia will come from Siberia. Today, I learned that 2 guardian angels have already arrived. Dear residents of Irkutsk, send us more of these birds!
      2. VAF
        VAF 23 November 2012 12: 04
        +2
        Quote: alexneg
        Glad for Russia, for Irkutsk, for my son!



        A huge hello to my son and sincere wishes for success in work !!! +! drinks

        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 November 2012 12: 09
          +1
          But they fly with missiles. I read somewhere that missiles have a certain number of take-off / landing cycles, then they are either used or scrapped (although I can’t imagine how this affects the rocket), is that true?
          1. VAF
            VAF 23 November 2012 13: 32
            +4
            Quote: Wedmak
            But they fly with missiles.


            These are weight and size models, as always ... to comply with weighting, centering and balancing during tests +! wink




            Quote: Wedmak
            I read somewhere that missiles have a certain number of take-off / landing cycles


            There are only developments and landings wink therefore, in daily training, they use training missiles (which "hit" without restrictions) or imitators, and combat ones only for "combat work", in a duty unit, well, there is a certain periodicity in "airing" and "adjusting" (specific missiles are always tried, for a specific aircraft - at least it was like that before wink ).
            The shelf life of products is very long, therefore, the shooting of missiles due to the "statute of limitations" wink it happens very rarely ... usually those. that were not used on time. "Transfer" to the category of "educational"! drinks

            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 23 November 2012 13: 36
              +1
              Thanks, thanks.
              PS
              Vaf, for some reason, the text on your right sometimes goes beyond the border of the field. On an 2-4 character. I have never seen anything like this before.
              1. VAF
                VAF 23 November 2012 14: 55
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                for some reason, the text on your right sometimes goes beyond the border of the field.


                When the photo is very large, I want everything to fit. after all, not all are clickable. so you try to shift the photo to the left as much as possible .. and because of this, the text is stretched and often .. cropped .. sorry + hi

                And he just noticed that he attached the photo to you .... for some reason your Su-35UB "stuck", but there should be a Su-30MKM

        2. alexng
          alexng 23 November 2012 23: 08
          +2
          Thank you, Sergey! And thank you for the professional assessment of everything that happens with aviation and for the cool pictures. Specialist is immediately visible.
    2. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 12: 02
      +3
      Quote: Irkutsk
      And finally, at our Air Force on the street a truck with gingerbread rolls over.



      +++++++ !!!!!! fellow drinks soldier

  7. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 23 November 2012 08: 27
    +3
    new things please)))) the truth is the party is not enough ... and this is not entirely clear - "due to an increase in the volume of purchases of new generation military aircraft" now the 4th generation, some who are already in the 5th armament, but 4+; 4 ++, 4 ++++++++++++++ - still not the fifth generation ...
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 23 November 2012 08: 54
      +2
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      though the party is not enough ... and this is not entirely clear -
      Yes, I also noticed that updating our aircraft is somehow drop by drop, strictly prescribed standards. But huge funds are allocated! Again they steal? Or is it beneficial for someone to keep Russia on a short leash?
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 23 November 2012 09: 24
        +1
        time will tell ... although such a fragmentation is really not clear .... what
    2. alexng
      alexng 23 November 2012 09: 04
      +1
      The advantage of the 5 generation over 4 ++ is controversial and exists only in doubtful stealth. There are some more points, and it is better for experts to tell about this, but this is not so important. Already need to think about the 6-th generation - in the same dimensions as the 5-th, but without a pilot, i.e. combat drills and drones.
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 23 November 2012 09: 22
        +1
        About the 6th! ??? Duc even with the 5th did not figure it out .. there are no new technologies ... well, if the ability to fly at high supersonic speeds for a long time without afterburner is a dubious advantage .. as well as stealth ... then I don’t know ... (not We take American planes as an ideal - they were the first to rivet, they overtook everyone, now they can be caught up), because being unnoticed - you want to be the first to launch a missile at the enemy - is not an advantage !? the right of the first shot is a controversial advantage for you! ??? and "other" moments there are even more))) the same AFAR gives an advantage in the detection range of objects in the air, on land, water .... also in their likeness (AFAR) create electronic warfare systems. and much more interesting in the 5th generation
    3. Joker
      Joker 23 November 2012 09: 19
      +5
      Well, let's say there the American 5 generation is not very different from our 4 wink and more often than not, this mythical invisibility of bullshit, welcome to the coverage of our radars and air defense is called drinks
      1. VAF
        VAF 23 November 2012 12: 07
        +3
        Quote: Joker
        Well, let's say there the American 5 generation is not very different from our 4


        Oleg, +! good


        Quote: Joker
        and more often than not, this mythical invisibility of bullshit


        And here in general +++++++++++! drinks

      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 23 November 2012 12: 41
        +1
        this mythical invisibility of bullshit, welcome to the coverage of our radar and air defense is called
        It is if there is a multi-level and complex system.
        And the most important thing is the time spent on the regulation. As far as I remember, the 4th generation is much better with this. In PAK FA, the time requirement is also a serious service.
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 November 2012 09: 18
    +1
    Glad for starting supplies.
    But still I don’t quite understand the fundamental difference between Su-27СМ and Su-30СМ? What are these modifications - understandable, but the application? Vicki read, Su-30 - a two-seat aircraft guidance and target designation ... uh .... and all? all the difference?
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      But still I don’t quite understand the fundamental difference between the Su-27SM and Su-30SM?


      Huge .... starting with the glider. engines, avionics, etc. and so on ..... I'm not talking about combat capabilities at all. so as not to "upset" the Su-27SM +! wink



      And advice ... read less to Vika ..... the Sukhoi official website is better, there are certainly a lot of embellishments there, but at least it’s clear what they are working on, how and what is the end .. they plan! good
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 23 November 2012 12: 19
        +1
        No, no ... glider, engines, avionics, etc., it is clear that it is significantly different. But just in terms of combat capabilities and I don’t understand. Looks very much like 27СМ, only with a crew of 2 people.
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 November 2012 13: 53
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          But just in terms of combat capabilities and I don’t understand.


          On the Su-27SM Sword, on the Su-30SM Bars wink


          Quote: Wedmak
          It looks like 27CM, only with a crew of 2 people.


          Then it is necessary to compare in similarity with the Su-30M2 wink

          So to say, that would be clear ... the answer to your question and comparison wink



          Quote: Wedmak
          Only with a crew of 2 people.


          Because the Su-27UBP and Su-27PU are taken as the "basis" wink By the way, all ILEs have been produced with such names for a very long time and not Su-30 wink

          Here is the very first prototype of the Su-30 MKI ... so to speak .. "progenitor" of the family fellow

          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 23 November 2012 14: 07
            +2
            Those. roughly speaking, it turns out the Su-27SM is the finishing of the Su-27 to the "multipurpose" state, while the Su-30SM was originally created like that on the basis of UB? Accordingly, flight characteristics, equipment, and weapons are better, more precisely, etc. So?
            Or, if we draw an analogy with the Ka-52 (Su-30СМ) helicopters -control + strike weapons, the Mi-28 (Su-27СМ) - strike weapons?
            1. VAF
              VAF 23 November 2012 15: 19
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              Those. roughly speaking, it turns out the Su-27SM is the finishing of the Su-27 to the "multipurpose" state, while the Su-30SM was originally created like that on the basis of UB? Accordingly, flight characteristics, equipment, and weapons are better, more precisely, etc. So?


              So, +! wink

              Quote: Wedmak
              Or, if we draw an analogy with the Ka-52 (Su-30СМ) helicopters -control + strike weapons, the Mi-28 (Su-27СМ) - strike weapons?


              The same is true, but if .. very "rude" wink because Su-27SM .... still far from ... shock lol in full understanding of this term soldier

              Through the air .. yes ... +! good but on the ground .... lol ... more so far photo shoots ....



              And it happens ... that is not always .... successful crying (I understand that the joke is also not very successful, but ... so to speak .. fact ... on the face) hi

              1. PLO
                PLO 23 November 2012 15: 50
                +2
                what happened to him? The front desk breaks?
                1. VAF
                  VAF 23 November 2012 16: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: olp
                  what happened to him? The front desk breaks?


                  Has developed, +! Burst brace request Done fast fellow

                  Hold. To cheer you up drinks

              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 23 November 2012 17: 53
                +2
                Thank you, in general, I understood what was happening.
  9. black_eagle
    black_eagle 23 November 2012 09: 47
    0
    It is high time!!! The Chinese have armed the Indians too, it’s the cobbler without boots, it’s time to think about yourself! At such a pace, the entire PAK FA export program will leave, not permissible!
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 23 November 2012 16: 19
      0
      Quote: black_eagle
      it's time to think about yourself!


      So when in our Primorye Territory such people begin to fly over their heads as in the past, then you can really sleep peacefully! drinks
  10. Alejandro
    Alejandro 23 November 2012 09: 51
    +2
    Friends, explain to me please, if we have a Su-35, MiG-35 on the approach of the T-50, then why do we need the Su-27SM Su 30SM ...? As a combat training? So there is the Yak-130. Isn't it better to make a bigger Su-35 - more advanced and maintain, repair the same type of aircraft more profitable and easier.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 November 2012 10: 17
      +1
      T-50 is still far from coming. In a couple of years, maybe it will go into series.
      Su-35С is by far the most advanced modification, sooo heavily redesigned 27. He just went to the series.
      Mig-35 if it does not change memory has not yet gone into the series, there are only prototypes.
      Prior to the Su-27СМ, it seems like it is possible to upgrade existing machines, this is a cost savings.
      Su-30СМ did not understand it myself ... but it seems like a machine sharpened for control and target designation.
      Nevertheless, all these machines, with the exception of the MiG and T-50, are made on the same base. Specialists think correct.
      1. VAF
        VAF 23 November 2012 12: 19
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        but it’s kind of like a machine sharpened for control and target designation.


        It’s like they read it on wikis wassat Since someone wrote about this in a forum in an article. only in my opinion related it to KnAPO Su-30M2 wink
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 November 2012 12: 21
          +1
          So ... Vicky, I don't really believe. Hence all these "like" and "like". Therefore, I ask.
    2. Lissyara
      Lissyara 23 November 2012 11: 17
      +2
      Yak-130 and Su-30 are vehicles of completely different classes. If the 130th simulates the "control" of modern combat aircraft, then the 30th is a real specimen for "completing the training" in combat units of lieutenants, before being put on independent flights in the cockpit of the Su-35 or retraining pilots who are transferred to Sushki from other machines. Nobody has ever given up on doubles in the army.
      1. VAF
        VAF 23 November 2012 12: 29
        +2
        Quote: LiSSyara
        The Yak-130 and Su-30 are completely different class cars.


        Seryoga, hello +! Absolutely central .. even comparing them is not correct!


        Quote: LiSSyara
        this is a real specimen for "retraining" in combat units of lieutenants, before they are put on independent flights in the cockpit of the Su-35


        In principle, this is from hopelessness, because. there are practically few UBShek left, so there are 4 new Su-30M2s and "I serve. now all 3 .." bases "(here's a word ... what a ... taburetkin) ..... 2nd from Korenovtsy, and one by one flew to Dzemgi and Uglovaya.

        And the Su-30SM for the Su-35 is ...... not a fountain. in addition to other equipment, other motors. another glider, other performance characteristics (with all that it implies), etc. etc.

        There is a long time for retraining and initial training (i.e., the Su-35UB was created and tested ....... you can pick up 4 pieces from Vityazi, but they’re practically idle anyway wink

    3. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: Alejandro
      if we have Su-35, MiG-35


      In fact, there are still no cars different in class and purpose!


      Quote: Alejandro
      on the approach of the T-50,


      Very soon, very .... but it will be!

      Quote: Alejandro
      then why do we need the Su-27SM Su 30SM ...?


      Su-27SM-at least some kind of modernization and an attempt to make a multifunctional. because in fact, they were left without an IBA, but what they wanted, it turned out to put it mildly not very. that's why the Su-30SM appeared (praise be to the Almighty fellow ) .....!


      Quote: Alejandro
      So there is the Yak-130.


      Yak-130-training aircraft, about UBS is ... a lure with a panama!
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 23 November 2012 12: 37
        +1
        What do you think this bird will be sent to the Black Sea Fleet?
        that's why the Su-30SM appeared (praise be to the Almighty fellow) .....!
        Meanwhile, they ordered it at the furniture maker.
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 November 2012 14: 23
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          What do you think this bird will be sent to the Black Sea Fleet?


          Most likely yes, because The Su-24th is already ... really a bit old, and there is no longer any strike aircraft on the Black Sea theater ..... unfortunately, no! + request

          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 23 November 2012 14: 40
            0
            Good cho.
            Right now on cats Indians will practice with Onyxes, and then they will switch to X-101
      2. Lissyara
        Lissyara 23 November 2012 15: 05
        +1
        Sergey, hello.
        I still remember in the late 80s, on the basis of the Su-27, the sparks (I do not remember the letters) tried to make some kind of simplified (not according to the glider, but as intended!) Analogy to the MiG-31, where a control and guidance officer would sit in the second cockpit.
        It seems I’m not confusing anything.
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 November 2012 16: 02
          +2
          Quote: LiSSyara
          It seems I’m not confusing anything.


          No, you don't confuse anything +! True, this did not go into the series and this Su-27PU was "called names" (I have already written about this more than once, there were functions for the control and guidance of 4 Su-27s), then it began to be called Su-30, not much was released, but according to the main type of purpose it was never used ... but they also began to be used as twin, flying laboratories, well, at the Knights, two were at the GLITS in the aerobatic group (at Kvochur).

          Now this function is implemented in the Su-30M2 drinks
  11. schta
    schta 23 November 2012 11: 02
    0
    There should be airplanes: 1) a lot! 2) different
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 November 2012 11: 04
      0
      Forgot another item.
      3) in working condition and in operation!
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 23 November 2012 11: 19
        +1
        I will add: with the required number of flight and engineering personnel and the appropriate level of training. For "airplanes" do not know how to fly themselves, although they are called "self" "years" smile
      2. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 24 November 2012 05: 25
        0
        And one more point.
        4) sufficiently trained pilots and maintenance personnel
  12. Lissyara
    Lissyara 23 November 2012 15: 08
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    There is a long time for retraining and initial training (i.e., the Su-35UB was created and tested ....... you can pick up 4 pieces from Vityazi, but they’re practically idle anyway

    But I didn’t watch them in Kubinka. Hm ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      But I didn’t watch them in Kubinka. Hm ...


      Seryoga (just don’t think about the rise ....) + drinks - I didn’t look there, I didn’t look there, not in that state. I need to know the place, etc., etc. drinks

      Keep ... as a keepsake! wink





      Well .. larger, that would not cause doubts wink



      You will ... ask the guys. what would be in the ... "sump" was taken, but on the .. "wide" you will not see them bully





      1. PLO
        PLO 23 November 2012 16: 20
        +2
        those. created and tested Su-35UB.

        Is the Su-35UB based on the old Su-35 (Su-27M)?
        and if the army has a shortage of sparks, then why are they idle?
        1. VAF
          VAF 23 November 2012 17: 13
          +4
          Quote: olp
          Is the Su-35UB based on the old Su-35 (Su-27M)?


          her Oleg Sukhovtsev is all so confused. that without drinks you will not understand:

          1. Su-27M is a modernized Su-27S.
          2. The first-generation Su-35s are completely different machines, starting with a nose strut with two wheels and so on.
          In the Knights they are just Su-35-e - two pre-production and 3 already serial.
          4.Su-35BM is the modernization of the Su-35
          3. Su-35S is the second generation and the final version

          We are not considering the Su-37, because it is no longer there, but the difference was from Su-35 in engines with OVT, which were subsequently replaced by standard ones for Su-35BM.

          All planes fell to the Knights in the period 2001-2003 after years of testing in the LII and GLITs ... so you understand yourself .... recourse

          Well, there are a number of other reasons .. but .... you understand bully

    2. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 17: 02
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      But I didn’t watch them in Kubinka. Hm ...


      I forgot to clarify that in the Su-35 Cuban there are both Su-27S and Su-30s (two pieces)
  13. Lissyara
    Lissyara 23 November 2012 17: 29
    +1
    Serge, enormous senks. It will be necessary to admire.
    Where did I go? Yes, escho sometimes I work and I go to meetings, even in a truck. Although with comrade-in-command officers we will translate it into a real ashore, the benefit today is without a rudder. drinks
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 18: 48
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      Where did I go? Yes, escho sometimes I work and I go to meetings, even in a truck. Although with comrade-in-command officers we will translate it into a real ashore, the benefit today is without a rudder


      So for the identity, +! As soon as with the comrades, it’s fifty dollars, but what about indulging in a hundredth, well, and the third ... this is holy ... you don’t see the edges, or what?

      Well, then she rushed .... and to the parking lot, so where will she go wink

      That's how we live drinks



      but fun and there is always something to remember: fellow

  14. Lissyara
    Lissyara 23 November 2012 18: 06
    +1
    Earrings, when I get home, I will post a photo of the 7th generation of aircraft, developed and passed flight tests for the 95th anniversary of the Air Force in Monino. laughing
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 18: 49
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      Seryoz, I'll get to the house


      Well then, I went dog walk, +! wink
  15. Lissyara
    Lissyara 23 November 2012 21: 50
    +2
    So, on August 11, 2007, 95 years of the Russian Air Force, the holiday is held at the Russian Air Force Academy. Yu.A. Gagarin, in Monino. The beauty of this celebration was that there was no such "stupid mass" as for 100 years of the Air Force. There were no invitations, the audience was just its own, and even in the "museum" zone at the entrance, the riot police allowed to bring whatever you wanted. The only thing, they asked to open a bottle of cognac and cormorant pyva, sniffed (like not acid, not nitroglycerin, etc.) and go on. He offered to take a sip, but they referred to the service. This is not football. It is quite problematic to get into an airplane or a helicopter in the sky at a distance of 300-700 m with a glass. And by the way, the prices were humane, not for 70-130 rubles. for a bank of "Zhiguli" (they really did not exist then), and rubles are 5-7 more expensive (taking into account that there will be their own officers, and salaries were then more than modest).
    The company was small, a son (the first vacation after the first year), a girlfriend / nothing vulgar, she herself is an Air Force officer / (the wife was in the hospital, and her daughter gave birth on the day 95 years of the Air Force, although at the age I will not get confused).
    In general, the morning began beautifully.
    Barbecue and flights.
    The company has not yet been.

    And a weird little barbecue popped.

    Continuation further.
  16. Lissyara
    Lissyara 23 November 2012 22: 24
    +3
    Still further, a team of representatives is going to:
    Design Bureau named after P.O. Sukhoi (engineering staff)
    RSK MiG (identity design engineer)
    GLITS them. V.P. Chkalova (the guys were on vacation), Akhtubinsk
    Gromovsky PERSON (test pilots)
    The Air Force represented by the Academy and just military personnel.
    We drink a different set (cognac, vodka, pivasik), and the last one has this property, do not finish on time (48 cans somehow quickly ended).
    It is clear that you can’t send the children, and my son sent 78 more cans as the Il-48go.
    Well, what to take from a half-drunk freshman cadet. It disappeared somewhere about 20 minutes, but with fuel appeared, and with a huge package on his chest. I bought an aircraft in the form of a Chinese snake. The people had little interest in fuel, and the assembly of this design began. Exactly, made in China, but licensed by the Russian Federation. With the help of some mom and precision equipment, we somehow assembled this device as a Swiss knife (we almost broke all the side members, we had to file it).
    The launch involved men from the Gromov Research Institute. The car turned out unsuccessful. The elevation differences were up to 15 m and constantly fought on the ground at 30 m.
    Continued below.

    Further, representatives of the RSK MiG took up the design. To this flying wing, as stabilizers, were tied 4 canned beer cans. Howling in the sky stood as if from the Ju-87 "Lapotnik", but they did not achieve normal characteristics. The option with crumpled cans did not bring any results either.
    And then the representatives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau took up the matter, at the end of the second box of pyva.
    "We will make a heavy kite according to an unstable aerodynamic scheme to gain dominance over the crows."
    2 flags were used - the Russian Federation and the USSR Air Force. (The Russian Federation was 2 times smaller in half-life). The serpent flew awesome, but periodically fell into a tailspin. + The Chinese production of the Russian flag failed, it broke, I had to buy a new one.
    Further, the scheme was redone, the centering was determined, and "SumiG" (some Finnish name) or "MiGSU" (this is generally Japanese) rose into the sky.
    But nevertheless, 3 more 30 m long rails were purchased (about Chinese engines - the same as their fishing line). The Monin peasants found a normal 150 m of kapron thread, and the device came into service.
    Moreover, the lifting force was so strong that it pulled off.
    While drank, he was attached to a tree and hung in the air.


    Life-size flag of the Air Force (it was removed from the flagpole).
    And I won’t forget the words of my son when a man tried to buy the flag of the Air Force:
    "Man, remember. Homeland, sky and space are not for sale" wassat
    1. VAF
      VAF 23 November 2012 22: 56
      +3
      Quote: LiSSyara
      And I won’t forget the words of my son when a man tried to buy the flag of the Air Force:
      "Man, remember. Homeland, sky and space are not for sale"


      Seryoga, there are no words .. one .. a quiet yelp from delight +++++++ !!!!!! drinks

      And even more so that "on gas" ...... reads like .. drinking .... easy, pleasant, with great pleasure and .. warmth immediately on the soul !!!!!

      all .... I’ll go the same pump .... for the Air Force and you .. with the family! fellow soldier
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 23 November 2012 23: 18
      +1
      Well damn well done, I can’t laugh drinks good + + + + + + + + + + + +
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 24 November 2012 00: 22
        +1
        So we also did not sit sickly in Kratovo this year for the 100th anniversary. The house was rented with a bathhouse. In general, there was a pause after the closure of the whole wonderful holiday on Sunday.
        I’m sorry, I can’t post the photo, because there will be many faces of acquaintances.
        If with a PM for a bottle of Chianti, then no question drinks
  17. Lissyara
    Lissyara 23 November 2012 23: 07
    +3
    Well so. I have a bottle of Akhtamar (a relic already) on the table.
    Well, for the Air Force! drinks

    By the way, another couple of 30s.
    Over Akhtubinsk

    But it seems Algerian, but for some reason with the stars. And something is not really like a 30-ku.
  18. Alex 241
    Alex 241 23 November 2012 23: 28
    +2
    Here's another in the import outfit.
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 24 November 2012 00: 02
      +2
      Well, Indians are notable people.
      Somewhere else there were Brooms and Malaysia.
      Well, this one from last year's MAX.

      But this one I liked the most, on Sunday, at the closing (this is when Bogdan had problems with the T50). How beautifully it took off (I’m talking about the 380th) and had a good time with the people. We deliberately waited (under the rain, even in Kratovo we were not particularly keen to "drink vodka and break the riots" in honor of the end of MAKS).
    2. VAF
      VAF 24 November 2012 00: 29
      +4
      Quote: Alex 241
      Here's another in the import outfit.


      Seryoga, +! These are the very, very first Su-27UBPs, but for the Indians they "called" the Su-30K ... in principle, a refueling rod and some other little things, but only by "air" they could work!

      Oh ... and I have ... one Utk-30 nat has changed laughing



      They are now in Baranovichi at the plant. already "washed" are being converted into Su-30KN



      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 26
        +2
        The bird is lovely, closing.
      2. studentmati
        studentmati 24 November 2012 01: 32
        +1
        From one type of slipways and primed aluminum, I want to scream enthusiastically !!!! Are we going up?
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 39
          +1
          Alexander, alas.
          It is washed for Hindus.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 24 November 2012 01: 42
            +1
            Seryozha, but Hope dies last !!! Already a great blessing is that all this is being done with our hands and for our families!
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 44
              +1
              Sanya hope does not die, still warm.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 24 November 2012 01: 49
                +1
                Glimmering - that's for sure! And it seems to me with a creak, but the forward movement begins! Let by the same examples "Irkut" or "Komsomolsk" ... And recently I talked with the guys, and in the niche of "special products" there is already a big shift!
                1. Lissyara
                  Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 54
                  +1
                  Here in the state of money, even with your ass eat.
                  Well, or who is stopping the construction of a couple more aircraft plants, and so that they work only for the defense industry?
                  Or "Give the oilbags the pocket of the oligarchs"? I would kill. am
                  What is KnAAPO? Plant with a gulkin nose, for screwing up Dry Experimentals.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 56
                    +1
                    Seryozha, less gas, but who you interfere with, you yourself know .......... What kind of defense is there.
                  2. studentmati
                    studentmati 24 November 2012 02: 08
                    +1
                    It seems to me that today there are not enough real leaders (effective managers in foreign countries), such as Korolev, Glushko, Tupolev, Sukhoi, .... The President will give anyone !!!! who will present compelling arguments !!! Is the school of our aerospace designers dead ....? I do not believe....!!!!
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 24 November 2012 02: 11
                      +1
                      Sanya needs leaders, whatever you call them, and not lobbyists who push projects only out of material interest, not ideas.
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 24 November 2012 02: 22
                        +1
                        The modern training institute is precisely focused on the issue of universal managers. For me - this is complete horror! A true leader, however, like an officer, must go from a locksmith (sergeant) to a master (lieutenant) and beyond (meaning is clear).
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 24 November 2012 02: 24
                        +1
                        Sanya training school is lost, I hope not forever.
                      3. studentmati
                        studentmati 24 November 2012 02: 29
                        +1
                        Sasha, they remained, albeit few, but devoted to their work .... We have no way out! Either revive training schools, or learn Chinese ....
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 24 November 2012 05: 14
                        +2
                        Sasha! when I hear - an effective manager I have two reactions: either one mate or I remember the one who they really were whatever they say They called him Lavrenty Pavlovich
  19. Lissyara
    Lissyara 24 November 2012 00: 08
    +3
    Malaysia

    I especially like the shape in the second cabin wassat
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 November 2012 00: 12
      +2
      ...............................................................................
  20. Lissyara
    Lissyara 24 November 2012 00: 20
    +1
    Hindus without "parrot" coloring.

    Chinese MKK

    Vietnam MK2V

    Indonesia

    And the penguin, or rather the peacock MK2V from Vanika

    It seems they didn’t deliver anywhere else.

    And now the question! Why are they all front stabilizers (or what are they called there) differ?
    1. VAF
      VAF 24 November 2012 00: 38
      +1
      Quote: LiSSyara
      Why are they all front stabilizers (or what are they called there) differ?


      Seryoga, come on tomorrow, otherwise I’m already on the glide path in front of the distant one and have given the go-ahead clearance! +!

      In short: all who are from Irkut - with PGO and OVT, all who are from KnAAPO- without PGO and OVT
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 24 November 2012 00: 39
        +1
        Earrings, let's taxi
      2. Lissyara
        Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 17
        +1
        It is now clear.
      3. PLO
        PLO 24 November 2012 02: 12
        0
        In short: all who are from Irkut - with PGO and OVT, all who are from KnAAPO- without PGO and OVT

        how so
        and the Su-35S?
        He is going to KnAAPO, and the 117C product (AL-41-F1S) with OBT, even if only in one plane
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 November 2012 00: 41
      +1
      Seryog aerodynamic scheme "duck" interests you?
      1. VAF
        VAF 24 November 2012 01: 18
        0
        Quote: Alex 241
        Seryog aerodynamic scheme "duck" interests you?


        Exclusively in the form of ... snack and fried .... drinks

        And I have you for the night ... with a gadget photo +! drinks



        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 22
          +2
          Well, commander, as always on top soldier drinks
          1. VAF
            VAF 24 November 2012 01: 36
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            Well, commander, as always on top


            Well, you know .... his skill is .... you will not drink lol soldier soldier

            I still like the Venezuelan from this angle .... drinks

      2. Lissyara
        Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 24
        +1
        Yes, in principle, in the know what it is.
        It seems that Mikoyan and Gurevich have made the first prototype with "Karlson"?
        I can of course be mistaken.
        But then the hybrid turns out. Stabilizers both front and rear. Well, maneuverability increases, + surely additional balancing (remember, aerodynamics I remember only at the level of aircraft modeling from school).
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 34
          +2
          I will try earrings briefly, this scheme provides better controllability in pitch angles without loss of lift since the lifting force coincides in the direction with the lifting force of the wing. But there are a number of disadvantages.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 24 November 2012 01: 38
            0
            Today there are more shortcomings. We are waiting for the development of technology and design solutions. 47 car, no matter what - a masterpiece !!!
          2. Lissyara
            Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 42
            +2
            Sash
            Now everything is clear. And why did they screw them onto deck 33.
            Senks. So what are pitch angles and lifting force - I know. drinks
            And as I understand it, the front in the machine taxi?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 44
              +1
              Sorry brother, otherwise we were somehow dragged for snobbery drinks
    3. VAF
      VAF 24 November 2012 01: 14
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      It seems they didn’t deliver anywhere else.


      Algeria....



      Uganda...

      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 19
        +1
        Seryozha, Algeria I mentioned, but Uganda was a discovery for me.
        Etozh lope bananas need to be sold in order to save up for one 30th?
        Or are they still supplying Russia with bananas for debt?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 25
          +2
          Earrings in memorable times, the echelon of a kiwi on IL76 was changed by barter.
          1. Lissyara
            Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 46
            +1
            Those. heels of trains with Chinese lighters Mona was to wave to the An-124 without looking. wassat
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 November 2012 01: 48
              +2
              Yes, it’s easy Seryozha, even for condoms.
        2. VAF
          VAF 24 November 2012 01: 27
          +2
          Quote: LiSSyara
          Etozh lope bananas need to be sold in order to save up for one 30th?


          wassat wassat wassat

          Quote: LiSSyara
          Or are they still supplying Russia with bananas for debt?


          Her, it’s probably easier there ...... "bad credit", which upon arrival at the place ... suddenly turns into "returnable", but not to those who need it, but to those who need it ... bully lol crying wassat am
          1. Lissyara
            Lissyara 24 November 2012 01: 44
            0
            Clearly, half the Brezhnev policy. Like Africa, we armed, but we’ll cut denyushk at night.
  21. studentmati
    studentmati 24 November 2012 00: 52
    +2
    I want to return and live at a time when any self-respecting regional center had its own aerospace production, or a military unit with its own airfield and infrastructure ... But, you know, that was ..... And against this background still happy that aviation production is reviving! Let under new conditions, even under new laws, albeit with a creak and a crack, but still reborn! Thank God that we are not yet buying aircraft assembly plants from the same Chinese!
  22. Alejandro
    Alejandro 24 November 2012 02: 19
    0
    Apparently, I dumped everything in a heap and many did not understand me. And I wanted to say this: the Su-35, as I understand it, together with the FB, the Su-34 will be the basis of our combat aviation in the 20s, and the Su-35 is quite significantly different from the Su-27SM and Su-30SM. With the completion of the Su-27do SM everything is clear, but why are the Su-30 and not the Su-35 purchased? If for training - that is, the Yak-130 and for "finishing" to finalize and deliver the Su-35UB
    Quote: vaf
    And the Su-30SM for the Su-35 is ...... not a fountain. in addition to other equipment, other motors. another glider, other performance characteristics (with all that it implies), etc. etc. For a retraining and initial training there is a long time (i.e., the Su-35UB was created and tested ....
    So I wanted to understand whether the factories are not able to quickly establish production of the Su-35, or there is another reason ... request Indeed, logically, the old ones need to be modernized, and you need to buy a new one and preferably the same type.