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Brothers and countrymen. Whether it is necessary to keep the binding of parts and connections to regions

Brothers and countrymen. Whether it is necessary to keep the binding of parts and connections to regions

I confess, I did not attach importance to one meeting that took place a couple of weeks ago in one of the city markets. Meetings with a fighter of the NWO. I did not ask either the name or the surname of the fighter. Yes, and it was not necessary. A chance meeting of two men who are tired of walking along the rows and begged their halves for the opportunity to smoke at the entrance to the market while they choose their next purchase.

A guy of about 30 in an ordinary military uniform, which today you can meet a dozen in an hour, walking along the streets of any Russian city. Moreover, the form does not necessarily indicate belonging to the army. More often it is rather a tribute to convenience. Just like jeans. The only thing that surprised me was the St. George ribbons on shoulder straps. Not stripes or stars, but a ribbon.

The guy came up to me, limping noticeably on his left leg, and asked me to light a cigarette. Now I don’t even remember why I asked him, pointing at his leg with my eyes:

- Hooked? ..

He simply replied:

- Yes a little. They got treated and went on vacation.

We were silent.

And my brothers called me. My "swallow" was repaired. Gotta go pick it up. And then they will hand it over to someone ... Well done fellow fellow countrymen. She was quickly cured as promised...

Then the companion returned, and he, throwing a half-smoked cigarette, hurried to her.

Here is such a meeting. The conversation is about nothing. But sunk into the soul. I remembered reading the advertisements on buses last year for volunteers. Including in remrot. So that's what this guy was talking about. About the same remrot that right now is “healing” equipment in our immediate rear.

But the topic, without knowing it, the guy raised a very serious one. In the army, and especially in war, a countryman is almost a relative. Almost brother. Probably, it is very important for people that in battle there is someone who, in a peaceful life, walks along the same streets, breathes the same air, swims in the same river ... Then there will be twins with whom you will not once in combat.

It is no coincidence that in films about the war there is often a scene when soldiers ask newcomers where they are from. Brothers are right here. These are people of war just like you. And the countryman is from there, from another life. This is a thin thread that connects with the house.

The question arises - is it necessary for commanders to form units taking into account the place of conscription? How will this affect the unit's morale? Won't "pop up" some kind of "home showdown" in combat conditions? Or vice versa, won't memories of "youth" become a reason for violating military discipline or even an oath?

The creation of a contract formation system

Not so long ago, I watched a video with another speech by Yevgeny Prigozhin in front of potential employees of the Wagner PMC, who are still in places not very remote. Speech, frankly, not an agitator at the recruiting office. I'm not even talking about the lexicon, it's clear here - you need to speak with people in a language they understand, I'm talking about how skillfully Prigozhin forms groups.

"You yourself will gather in groups ... with those with whom you will then go into battle."

It is clear that people who have spent quite a lot of years in prison have absorbed the laws of the zone and do not intend to violate them. You have to pay too dearly for such violations “in that world”. Prisoners are clearly divided among themselves and know very well how easy it is to lose status and slide to the very bottom.

Prigogine immediately dots the i's. This thesis that “only go into battle next to those whom you choose yourself” gives a guarantee. Yes, even backed up by another thesis - "we never take the omitted ones."

How is this related to community? Directly! PMC works with a certain contingent, and there is a slightly different division. Recruiters are well aware of what needs to be "pressed". Precisely on the status, on the place in the hierarchy. And only then on the opportunity to receive a pardon, to become a different person, and so on.

For an army commander, the place of status is precisely occupied by the community. And such a commander often simply does not have a choice. The units and formations that participate in the SVO are equipped with contract soldiers. This means that the vast majority of personnel were recruited from among the inhabitants of some region adjacent to the place of deployment. What we are seeing today at LBS.

The same thing happened with the mobilized military personnel. Calling up in the region, training in the region, combat coordination in the region and advancement to the place of the NMD by a ready-made unit or even part. Even specialists - sappers, snipers, machine gunners and others, after additional training in the immediate rear (at the training grounds of the DPR and LPR) return to their units.

Thus, our units and formations largely consist of fellow countrymen. The appearance of “fighting Buryats”, “Kadyrovtsy”, “Siberians”, Far Easterners”, “Muscovites”, “Tatars” and others is quite natural. The connection of such subdivisions and units is preserved in the future. People collect humanitarian aid for "their own". Governors come to their. Even vacationers from their units are taken out and returned by their buses, trains, planes ...

I don't see anything wrong with this. On the contrary, the regions provide additional supply of their units with the necessary things, sometimes leading representatives of neighboring units into a stupor. Let me remind you of a vile discussion in social networks that arose from scratch. The inhabitants of the region sent national musical instruments to their soldiers...

How much dirt I saw then. “It would be better if they sent socks and shorts, they are always in short supply ...” and similar nonsense. Yes, socks are torn, but very often the sound of some kind of accordion, beshkhuur, dechig pondar or kurai is much more necessary than socks or underpants. In war, the soul is more important than the body.

But there are also negative aspects of such formation. Alas, but this is also an objective and subjective factor. Imagine a battalion commander who, like manna from heaven, is suddenly sent a platoon or even a company of prepared replacements. Brave guys, eager to fight, have combat experience of the Chechen campaign or the Syrian one. Extremely motivated.

And his people sit on LBS without getting out for three or four months. Or intelligence reported on the preparation of the next "offensive" on some opornik. And this unit rushes to the aid of those who need help. A platoon to help a company is almost a miracle.

With all the pluses, the unit still does not know the local conditions, various ravines, dangerous forest belts, dirt and other trifles. And he runs into the enemy or into a minefield ... Or is substituted under the enemy's artillery. Who is to blame for the fact that the unit suffers losses?

The soldiers stand to the death. Officers, even wounded, do not leave the battlefield. The battalion commander performs the task with all the forces and means that he has ... A guide from experienced fighters knows the way ... The usual psychology and underestimation of the enemy are to blame. Now we’ll come and show them ... And then videos about “victories” or about the fact that some unit was immediately thrown into a meat grinder appear on the network ...

Is it good or bad to fight in the same ranks with fellow countrymen?

In my opinion, the question is far-fetched. In 1941, Siberian divisions beat the Germans near Moscow, fellow Kazakhstanis entered history like Panfilov's heroes... At the same time, the Muscovites showed themselves from the best side. Leningrad was defended by Leningraders. Sevastopol Sevastopol people. It was later, after the reorganization and recruitment, after the return of the wounded from the hospitals, everything was mixed up.

With regard to the current situation, units and formations tied to certain regions are very reasonable and good for the Russian army. Combining the concepts of fellow countryman and brother gives an additional incentive to soldiers and officers to be good fighters. Many of them have known each other since they were civilians and understand that stories about who fights and how will become known in their native city or village rather quickly.

In the same way, this affects the relationship between commander and subordinate. A platoon or company commander, battalion commander or regimental commander is also among those mobilized. Officers also care about their image. It is important to know at home that the commander, the one who lived on the next street or in the neighboring village, is a real father to the soldiers, literate, demanding, courageous, his own.

I remember a conversation with one of those mobilized back in the fall, before sending his unit to the NVO zone. At that time, the topic of the participation of deputies in the operation was being dispersed.

“The commander of the regiment, we have what we need. From the neighboring area. Deputy. He served his term as an officer. He retired and returned as a volunteer. He drove us like sidorov goats. "The Russian soldier must be able and have everything in the war." And he is an ethnic Kazakh. Son of the steppes. Meticulous, punchy, but demanding. We're lucky."

This is the opinion of a subordinate! I am sure that such a commander will gather officers to match himself. This is how the monolith is born. This is how it is born, already then it was born - a good combat-ready unit. I think that there are enough applications from volunteers who want to serve in this particular regiment in the military registration and enlistment offices.

And the fighter who is so concerned about the fate of his "swallow" is sure to be already there. It kneads the Donbas mud with wheels or caterpillars. And he already said “thank you for the good work” to his fellow countrymen. I think so...

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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 18 March 2023 05: 20
    I myself encountered this principle as part of volunteer units. I must say that the principles of "community" significantly strengthen the team, allow you to remove internal contradictions in it and make it impossible for such a thing as hazing, for example. It is also important here that in addition to horizontal ties - everyone is from the same region or culture, the principle of fellowship also launches vertical ties - fighters of different ages feel their commonality. Younger and physically stronger ones themselves take care of the older ones during hard physical work, arranging dugouts, loading shell boxes into trucks, carrying heavy loads, and so on, but in return, those with great life experience and professions apply their knowledge and skills to the benefit of the unit. They repair trucks in an open field with a piece of wire, use welding machines, build stoves, cook food literally from an ax, mend shoes, and so on. But 80% of the war is everyday life, it's wet feet, drying uniforms, getting food, arranging everyday life, and so on. But there are all sorts of national cultural characteristics among different nationalities of Greater Russia. Someone prepares specific dishes, someone has their own sanitary traditions - those who served with Muslims understand what I'm talking about, probably, but in large units consisting of fellow countrymen or people of the same culture, these contradictions are removed.
    But even in a purely combat plan, fellow countrymen fight more staunchly - they do not want to disgrace themselves in their small homeland among their friends and relatives. and, accordingly, they do not abandon their comrades, firmly hold their positions so as not to retreat and not substitute their own, leaving their positions, and so on.
    I remembered one of the evenings in the dugout of a mixed unit where some were from the Far East, and some were Cossacks from the Kuban. The conversation turned to the second of the topics of interest to male teams - about cars. it was very interesting to hear how the residents of Primorye from the second, from the third time asked again what a "prior" was and in return they were surprised how people living near Tolyatti do not understand why you need to buy a "probox" for the household)))) That's how Russia is)
    1. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 18 March 2023 06: 12
      …. do commanders need to form units taking into account the place of conscription

      — Definitely yes, if possible. Take Cossack formations, or regiments of the imperial army ... Or Latvian riflemen ... Or “we are the Spanish infantry !!!” Or Polish lancers and Hungarian hussars ... And about the British army - there are both Irish and Scottish regiments. And the goons!!! And each connection has its own, ITS TRADITIONS!! Yes, they are small in the territory of the country, and after the battles everything is mixed up. But the PRIDE AND VICTORIES of the compounds, their names, are preserved. This is how martial traditions are forged. These are the foundations of the brotherhood of the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps... And it works better than political studies or patriotic education of 40-year-old bison.

      — This is confirmed by the practice of the Israelis. Moreover, these combat connections, four years of conscription service, military registration specialties, are preserved in the annual training camps as long as the men are in the reserve. Of course, Russia is immense, but I remember when I served - “land” meant this in the Army! The American army teaches “we fight for our budies…” - “ we fight for our guys.. " and they fight for us. And we never leave our own, the living and the dead." And in the National Guard - a completely territorial principle of formation ....
      1. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 18 March 2023 06: 35
        You forgot to mention the Wehrmacht and the SS, which were formed according to the territorial principle (to 44 they took it from where they could)
        1. Evgeny Ivanov_5
          Evgeny Ivanov_5 18 March 2023 10: 14
          Germany is a mono-ethnic state, and you are proposing the principle of militia in national regions.
          1. stankow
            stankow 18 March 2023 23: 26
            In Germany, there are also quite significant differences between individual states ...
      2. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 18 March 2023 07: 50
        I understand you residents / citizens or fellow tribesmen from monocultural countries ... But in my country there are orthodox (with the extreme holy loser German rut), Old Believers, Catholics, Protestants, semi-underground various witnesses, Muslims of various faiths, several Eastern religions, nationalities as much as the Academy of Sciences He doesn’t know the exact number. Territorial gatherings, yes. Forming an army .. according to the principle, the “blue division” is the Spaniards, “Galicia” is the outskirts, the Dead Head “- the Ruhr is fundamentally contraindicated !!!
      3. Civil
        Civil 18 March 2023 15: 33
        This principle must become mandatory!
        1. ivan2022
          ivan2022 18 March 2023 19: 21
          Quote: Civil
          This principle must become mandatory!

          Military expediency must be mandatory.

          But in our country, according to tradition, what is hammered into the head is worn with it, as with a shrine. But then a branch fell from a tree and everyone forgot everything and you look, they are already rushing about with something else .....
    2. dnestr74
      dnestr74 18 March 2023 08: 43
      Hazing does not happen in war, dear, I have seen it more than once.
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 18 March 2023 14: 12
        Quote: dnestr74
        Hazing does not happen in war, dear, I have seen it more than once.

        It happens often in those units that have been sitting idle in the rear for a long time. The grandfather who establishes his own rules for a long time does not live the case of combat contact with the enemy, they are often killed by their own. There was a case in Barzom there were greyhounds from the seaside, so after a nix, a grenade flew into their trench from a grenade launcher, the result was three 300 x. Then for a long time they tried to prove that one of their own thrashed them. Before that, they sneered at the kid who complained about them, they even gave him the nickname "heifer" and called him names, but when they thrashed them, they immediately wrote to the military prosecutor's office saying he was. But the fact was that on that day, Sanya did not use up more than one grenade from a grenade launcher; once he brought mines to a tray from the cellar. So after all, the mortar crew confirmed that he did not shoot and helped them.
        After the army, I am against the fact that criminals and people with a criminal record were together with ordinary soldiers, criminals quickly cobble together in organized crime groups and begin to terrorize colleagues.
        Countrymen fight better and don't abandon their own.
    3. Eule
      Eule 20 March 2023 20: 07
      to form units taking into account the place of conscription?

      A very bad idea in wartime. The experience of the First World War showed that, relatively speaking, out of 100 fighters from one village, distributed in different parts, at least someone will return alive. But a successful German machine gunner could leave a village without men at all, the conscripts from which were gathered into one company. Since the death of a unit as a whole is more likely than the death of the same hundred people in different parts.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 18 March 2023 05: 40
    It is always calmer at heart when there is a comrade behind you who you can rely on in difficult times, and if it is also a fellow countryman smile doubly enjoyable.
    Moreover, the process of communication in a fleeting fight speeds up when you understand a comrade from a half-word ... after all, you always recognize a fellow countryman by signs that are elusive to an outsider.
  3. sagitovich
    sagitovich 18 March 2023 06: 24
    War and shift work are completely different, but what unites them is that they are both away from home.
    I have experience of communicating with fellow countrymen and not very much, on shifts.
    I don't want to work there as a boss for my fellow countrymen.
    Compatriots subordinates begin to become impudent. And you, and punish them to the full can not. Your own! There are also relatives and friends among subordinates.
    "Non-compatriots" see this, and violate the order, already in a compartment with the leader's fellow countrymen.
    The team is chilling out.
    My frequent output:
    It's easier to manage others.
    And it is easier for the working team to work with their own.
    Units should be formed according to the principle of community, but the commander should not be from one city or district.
    And better from another area!
  4. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 18 March 2023 06: 26
    I'm only "for" in this sense. That's just the word "brothers" ... For me, it gives something from the other side.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 18 March 2023 07: 28
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      For me, it gives something from the other side.

      This is a Russian word. Means that someone has become a sworn brother. In the old days, two people, having exchanged blood, became twin brothers. Not without reason, during the Second World War, the wounded after the hospital sought to return back to their unit, to where they were expected. In Ukraine, the word was defiled, they began to apply it very widely to everyone. That's why it cuts the ear. There may be one or two brothers, but not the whole company.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 18 March 2023 07: 38
        Yes, the point is not whose word it is ... the point is that they use it very often. For me, calling a person a brother... is not a field to cross and not one grief to endure together, this is very serious. And they use this word right and left. That is why this word makes me feel rejected.
  5. Mordvin77
    Mordvin77 18 March 2023 06: 31
    100% ...a unit of one nationality communicating in battle in their own language does not need encrypted slang
  6. Menshoff_D_V
    Menshoff_D_V 18 March 2023 07: 22
    Ehh, zema zem, together we interfered with the black earth with our feet. And they lay and slept, and then they died on it. I believe that it is right to create quasi-groups from countrymen.
  7. Sergey Zhikharev
    Sergey Zhikharev 18 March 2023 07: 50
    It seems like in the Second World War they abandoned the community, because it didn’t work. Moreover, it is interesting that it went into civilian life when the government was weak, and then ... They took the inhabitants of one village / city into the unit, the battle and bam and the village lacks a bunch of people. And this is typical not only for the USSR, but also for other countries (for example, Finland).
    There are also negative examples.
    When a division of small nations - the Kerch Peninsula 42 years old ...
    Or at what level, the unit is not a community? - company, battalion, division? Like the regiment commander has a battalion of Chechens, a battalion of Buryats and a battalion of Murmansk; and each battalion does not like other batas?
    1. Evgeny Ivanov_5
      Evgeny Ivanov_5 18 March 2023 10: 01
      The territorial principle of formation was abandoned back in the 30s in order to prevent separatism at any level. So that it would not even be in your thoughts that you are defending a house that is not your own from entire units. And the author is cunning or simply does not know what he writes. The Panfilov division formed in Kazakhstan was not Kazakh! Siberian divisions were not tied to one region and were not from countrymen. This is all nonsense from the category of the Bryansk Front from the inhabitants of Bryansk. The Russian army is fighting, and not "we Buryats took Maryinka, and you Russians were sitting in the rear." Conditionally natural. Besides, let's be honest. This is still feasible in the infantry. But can you imagine an entire air regiment made up of Tajiks? How controlled will this wild division be? There will have to be commanders, taking into account all mentalities. I remember in the late 90s, half of our part was from fighters from the Caucasus and generally Muslims. Can you imagine what was going on there against the backdrop of the first Chechen war? Slavs were beaten at every turn. Therefore, it is necessary to mix the fighters as much as possible. Especially in the context of the continuing threats of separatism in the country.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 18 March 2023 11: 12
        Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
        The territorial principle of formation was abandoned back in the 30s in order to prevent separatism at any level.
        The territorial principle of formation in the 30s has nothing to do with fraternities, this is the militia principle of forming an army ("a proletarian at the bench - a rifle nearby" and all that). The ideal of the Bolshevik army: an armed people standing up for the cause of the revolution. They abandoned it when they realized that the territorial divisions eat money like real ones, but at the same time they have much less combat readiness and combat capability.
  8. yawa63
    yawa63 18 March 2023 08: 02
    The topic is very interesting... Back in 1986, I happened to command a unit in which there were not just fellow countrymen, but classmates, 6 people were from the same class from the village of Tambov region. They had a clear attitude - not to disgrace their village and not to disgrace themselves - they helped each other in everything, I can’t say anything bad, moreover, we still correspond with each other))) It seems to me that having units from fellow countrymen is a good idea, again, with a good moral climate in the unit.
  9. bandabas
    bandabas 18 March 2023 08: 17
    We do not have an officially declared war. But there is official fraud. Why should a fighter from Tver or the Far East be supplied worse (or better) than from Krasnoyarsk?
  10. north 2
    north 2 18 March 2023 08: 33
    community, fellow countrymen - this is a special Russian specificity of a huge country. And it is right to tie the formation of military units to this specificity - fellow countrymen, fellow countrymen. Only it is imperative to avoid alternatives, which the ill-wishers and enemies of Russia, under the disguise of fellow countrymen and fellow countrymen, will push into the minds of Russians and into the plans of the Moscow Region. This alternative is a substitution of formation not according to the principle of geographical community, but according to the national principle. Since the republics of Russia are divided according to nationalities, and not according to geography, which is extremely dangerous for the unity of the country. In this case, Chechen, Dagestan, Ingush, Bashkir military honors may soon appear. And this is more than just dangerous for the country. To your question - where are the Russians, for example from Chechnya, so that the military unit formed from there could be called not national but formed from fellow countrymen, I don’t know the answer. Where are the Russians from Chechnya so far?
    What kind of policy is this, if there are no Russians left in the Grozny fortress created by the Russians, for that Moscow and St. Petersburg are full of Chechens and Dagestanis, although they did not build either the Kremlin or Petropavlovka there ...
    1. Evgeny Ivanov_5
      Evgeny Ivanov_5 18 March 2023 10: 08
      That is why in the USSR they quickly abandoned this principle of formation. We automatically receive the national parts. Even now at the front there are household graters between the Cossacks and the "muzhiks". And these will be 100% national units with commanders of the same nationality as the fighters, and try to appoint, for example, an Armenian to the Bashkir battalion for promotion. Yes, they will simply devour him or local bais will arrange a circus with horses.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 18 March 2023 23: 50
        Considering that there are about 30 percent of Bashkirs in Bashkiria, the part from Bashkiria formed according to the compatriot principle will obviously not consist only of representatives of the Bashkir nationality.
  11. ale72tur
    ale72tur 18 March 2023 09: 10
    It is utter nonsense. Localism for fighters is convenient, comfortable, easier. And other countries are full of historical examples. In a close time period, this seems correct, but in the long term dangerous. Russia is full of regions with local nationalism, separatism (our sworn partners continue their subversive activities) at any moment, a ready-made well-coordinated unit with combat experience for all kinds of independents. The Combat Brotherhood is when in all the expanses of our HOMELAND there is bread and shelter for a soldier. Soviet front-line soldiers know what it is.
  12. would
    would 18 March 2023 10: 11
    Prisoners are clearly divided among themselves and know very well how easy it is to lose status and slide to the very bottom.

    For example, join the PMC Wagner. According to the concepts of a thug, he should not serve in the army and, in general, cooperate with the authorities in any way. After serving in the army, you won’t slide straight “to the very bottom”, but you won’t be able to be truly thieves.

    Actually, it was this law of the criminal world that caused serious showdowns after the Great Patriotic War, better known as "bitch wars".

    It is this basic ignorance of the topic that multiplies by zero any thoughts of the author, such as

    PMC works with a certain contingent, and there is a slightly different division. Recruiters are well aware of what needs to be "pressed". Precisely on the status, on the place in the hierarchy. And only then on the opportunity to receive a pardon, to become a different person, and so on.
    1. nepunamemuk
      nepunamemuk 18 March 2023 10: 50
      Actually, it was this law of the criminal world that caused serious showdowns after the Great Patriotic War, better known as "bitch wars".

      well, what's the problem?
      who won the bitch wars?
      "cyku" and won and remade the thieves' law for themselves
      1. would
        would 18 March 2023 14: 15
        Not changed, it still works. Enough modern examples are known when an "aspirant" was cut off simply on the basis that he served.

        And in that war, no one won a complete victory. The thieves simply calmed down, but did not go away, the thieves' concepts did not disappear either.
  13. bk0010
    bk0010 18 March 2023 11: 24
    A long time ago there was the First World War. Then no one knew that she was the first, her name was the Great War. The British entered this war without a draft army, volunteers went to fight. And they came up with such a thing as "battalions of friends." Lord Derby suggested to Kitchener that the practice of forming detachments be formalized, in which classmates, friends, neighbors or colleagues would serve. This ensured not only greater comfort of service, but also increased the stability of the connection: it is a shame to drape in front of your own. Here's just one thing: after the first offensive (the Battle of the Somme), some of the villages of England were depopulated. There, the funerals did not come to someone, the funerals came to everyone, at the same time. This made a very heavy impression not only on these settlements, but on the country as a whole. After that, a conscription system was introduced (not as a result, but after).
  14. Beregovic_1
    Beregovic_1 18 March 2023 11: 48
    The advantages of recruiting units and subunits on a territorial basis are beyond doubt. But. If you look at it from the other side .... The battalion from my region got into a mess. Volunteers and mobilized. Heavy losses, the bodies are being transported by military aircraft. Goodbyes daily. In general, it demoralizes the population. Moreover, this has only just affected us, while the Buryats and Bashkirs have even more losses. Such ...
  15. Master 2030
    Master 2030 18 March 2023 12: 43
    You bypassed the important and difficult, in this case, the issue of losing comrades.
  16. Chimp
    Chimp 18 March 2023 14: 01
    Well, the experience of World War I showed, as for me, the negative side of this issue: what happened to the units made up of Ukrainians? From them, the army of all sorts of UNRs, etc., began. e. This is the first step towards separatism, with political unrest
  17. Slug_BDMP
    Slug_BDMP 18 March 2023 14: 52
    The British army had a territorial principle of formation, And then - the 1st World War. And, it happened that some 2nd Devonshire regiment was knocked out in full force and entire areas in this very Devonshire were left without men of working age and suitable for reproduction. And in the future, the British began to mix the conscripts.
    The Finns stepped on the same rake. Bair Irincheev, in one of his lectures on the Finnish war, said that he saw in one Finnish village in the cemetery 47 (it seems) crosses with the same date of death - the territorial battalion fell under distribution and the village was left without men.
    So maybe well, nafig, fellow countryman?
  18. Viktior Vinland
    Viktior Vinland 18 March 2023 19: 18
    Formations on national or territorial grounds are not allowed in the sense that this is a form of feudal armed forces that can pursue not state but small-town interests, preparing for the collapse of the country.

    It is a well-known fact, for example, that Spartacus, whose troops of rebellious slaves were organized along national lines, lost his uprising because at a critical moment one of his comrades-in-arms, who was at the head of his national formation, made a treacherous decision in relation to the majority.

    Attempts to implement this idea should be studied and searched for customers and inspirers of these ideas.

    Although I understand that not everyone wants to serve with a scoundrel and a traitor who hides behind a Russian soldier and waits to be killed in order to take his weapons and equipment. As was, for example, such a video with the Chechens. But at the same time, units formed from traitors and scoundrels often treacherously hide behind the backs of others and shoot tiktok. The issue must be resolved, but not by creating national or regional divisions. During the Second World War, the Germans had a common culture and there was no threat of disintegration into principalities, and by the way, we then won, if anyone forgot.

    True, according to rumors, politically incorrect generals demanded only Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians in their units. But all the same, everyone fought well, with the exception of the Chechens, Crimean Tatars, and I don’t know further, maybe someone else. All good fellows. And now basically everyone is fighting well.
  19. Analgin
    Analgin 18 March 2023 22: 25
    Comrade Chuvash was in the same company with the Chuvash, you can’t tell them on the walkie-talkie who says what, but they understood each other well, well, plus whoever had what they had and shared with each other. And they always skillfully turned on the fool mode for stupid team requirements. It was a long time ago when the mountains were shooting ...
  20. Derbes19
    Derbes19 18 March 2023 22: 51
    Well, actually this is a direct path to the collapse of the country. Feudalism. The very talk of local subdivisions speaks of decline.
  21. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 19 March 2023 00: 13
    No need to go to extremes. Navy, Strategic Missile Forces, Aerospace Forces, Airborne Forces exclusively on an extraterritorial basis. Although, perhaps, in those units, ships that are patronized by certain regions, some of the conscripts and contractors may come from these regions. But just a part, a smaller one, no more than a fourth or fifth part. In the Ground Forces, a combination of extraterritorial (for most conscripts and a significant part of contract soldiers), territorial (mainly for training units) and fellow countryman (rather for combat units) principles. The territorial principle differs from the compatriot one in that in the first case they serve in their own region, in the second case, fellow countrymen can be sent to any region of the country or abroad. As for temporary volunteer units, an ethnic and confessional principle is also possible here, but this controversial issue. And we must take into account that there are also people who, on the contrary, do not want to serve with fellow countrymen or fellow tribesmen.
  22. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 19 March 2023 00: 15
    In India, either during the colonial period, or in the first years of independence, the compatriot principle was used. But in this modification: soldiers from one locality, sergeants from another, officers from a third.
  23. aesculapius
    aesculapius 19 March 2023 03: 21
    Another propaganda heresy advocating the collapse of the foundations of the army and the state - since when did the zemstvoism, diasporas and all the defense with governor-popular supplies become better and more effective than normal army structures, unity of command and the military-industrial complex? If only from the time when "effective" managers took the helm, executing the course of compromising the state. Structures and integration into globalization and all sorts of world organizations.
    What is the Russian Foreign Ministry shouting now? - We are for peace and friendship, are we brazenly bending down?
  24. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 19 March 2023 13: 19
    We have few problems with fraternities and diasporas in everyday life, so let's transfer these problems to the army.