From China with Love: Prospects for the Supply of Heavy Weapons to the NMD Zone from China

When people talk about the People's Republic of China (PRC), opinions often differ. Someone says that China is a friend of the Russian Federation, someone believes that China itself can attack Russia for the sake of the northern territories. In reality, everything is much simpler, China is a country that strictly adheres to the realpolitik strategy (real politics). If it is profitable for China - it will support Russia, the military, political and / or economic situation will change - and China may well change its position to the diametrically opposite one.

Now China is clearly feeling the threat posed by the United States and its satellites. It is safe to say that China alone cannot cope with the United States - it is already surrounded by hostile countries, with many of which China has unresolved territorial disputes. The United States and Great Britain have actually torn off from China its integral part - Taiwan. The United States and Great Britain may well use India as a counterbalance to China, pumping it up with "Western aid" - weapons and technology, and then pit the two powers in a suicidal war. The United States and Great Britain may well organize an alliance, including Japan, South Korea, Vietnam and other countries in the region, to organize a multilateral blockade of China, and possibly even a war against it.

But in all these plans there is one snag - this is Russia. Yes, in many areas Russia is already inferior to China, you can no longer say, as in the days of the USSR, that we are a “big brother” in relation to China, rather, the opposite is true. Nevertheless, Russia still possesses a formidable arsenal of nuclear weapons. Also, Russia is still a world leader in some critical areas of human activity, such as nuclear energy. And finally, Russia has huge natural resources - in the event of China's isolation, it is Russia that can become China's only source of them.

There is another reason why it is better for China to be friends with our country than to be at enmity - Russia has a unique centuries-old experience of conducting military operations against Western countries and achieving victory over them.

No matter how weak our country is, it can become a powerful ally for China. Or an adversary, if the Western countries manage to get their way and gain control over the leadership of our country, which they almost managed to achieve in the 90s. After that, they can use Russia as a battering ram to crush China - in this case, instead of Ukraine targeting Russia, there will be Russia targeting China (or the fragments left from Russia - quasi-states intended for the same purpose).

Thus, the political stability of the Russian Federation in the current historical period is fully consistent with the interests of the PRC, and given that the political situation in our country will largely depend on the development of the situation in Ukraine, China may well be interested in providing support to our country, even if this will not be discussed openly, since the official appearance of a military-political bloc based on Russia and China may well frighten other countries and make them vulnerable to US-British diplomacy.

Leaving aside the purely economic benefits of cooperation between our countries, what kind of military assistance can China potentially provide to Russia?

It is necessary to immediately clarify a few points.

First, as we said above, the PRC, as any reasonable state is obliged to do, will first of all think about its own interests. Accordingly, depending on the political and economic situation, deliveries can be both open and hidden. The second option is more likely; accordingly, the chances of obtaining weapons that can be unambiguously identified as Chinese are reduced.

Secondly, it makes no sense to supply the RF Armed Forces with weapons that will require specific Chinese ammunition, for example, small arms chambered for 5,8x42 mm or self-propelled artillery mounts (ACS) of 155 mm caliber. That is, it seems more logical to supply weapons for the types of ammunition standardized in Russia, or weapons, the number of “non-standard” ammunition for which will not be in the tens or hundreds of thousands.

Thirdly, it is likely that China has yet to fight for Taiwan, so the weapons that will play an important role in it are also unlikely to be delivered. An exception is that China itself may be interested in limited deliveries of some types of weapons for their field tests in a real high-intensity military conflict.

So, what heavy weapons can China potentially supply to Russia?

Armored vehicles

Supply of the latest tanks, for example, such as the Type 99 (ZTZ-99), the image of which is given at the beginning of the article, is unlikely - China is unlikely to decide to give Russia access to the latest achievements of its armored industry. On the other hand, theoretically, China may be interested in assessing the real combat potential of its armored vehicles.

But still, the Type 96 / Type 96A tanks, which the Chinese industry produced in the amount of about 2 units, are more likely to appear in the NWO zone.

Chinese main battle tank (MBT) Type 96

It is possible that infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) and armored personnel carriers (APCs) have a higher chance of getting into the NVO zone. For example, the Chinese BMP Type 04 (ZBD-04) is an analogue of the Russian BMP-3, and its turret is a licensed copy of its Russian counterpart. The BMP ZBD-04 / ZBD-04A was produced in the PRC about 2 pieces.

BMP Type 04 (ZBD-04)

Also in China, the BMP ZBL-08 (export version of the VN1) is produced. This machine is actually an armored personnel carrier, conceptually it is close to the Russian BTR-82. A total of 3 ZBL-150 infantry fighting vehicles were produced, 08 more ZSL-900 armored personnel carriers were produced - modifications with a heavy machine gun instead of a 10-mm cannon, as well as 30 units of ZTL-1 fire support combat vehicles (ST250 export version), armed with a 11-mm cannon .

BMP ZBL-08

Fire support combat vehicle ZTL-11

In the war against Taiwan, all of the above combat vehicles, in the quantities in which they are produced by the PRC industry, will not be required.

Thus, potentially China can supply them to the RF Armed Forces in quantities of several hundred of each type, especially since Russia will have no problems with reciprocal deliveries of similar armored vehicles after the completion of the NMD.

Artillery

Do deliveries of portable artillery make sense?

Most likely not, we already have enough of it. Yes, and the experience of the NWO shows that in modern warfare, portable artillery mounts do not last long - except perhaps use them to create ersatz self-propelled guns, however, here we can quite manage on our own. Another thing is self-propelled artillery installations.

The Chinese will not supply us with the latest PLZ-05 self-propelled guns of 155 mm caliber, capable of firing a WS-35 projectile at 100 kilometers. In addition, such an artillery system will either have to be used only with guided munitions, or it will need to supply hundreds of thousands of shells of a caliber not used by the RF Armed Forces.

ACS PLZ-05 caliber 155 mm

The same applies to Chinese self-propelled guns PLZ-45 and self-propelled guns SH1 caliber 155 mm, designed for export deliveries.

ACS PLZ-45 (left) and ACS SH1 (right)

Thus, the PLZ-07 self-propelled guns of 122 mm caliber have the greatest chances of getting into the NMD zone, the shells for firing from which are available from the RF Armed Forces. For the ground forces of the PRC, 550 PLZ-07 self-propelled guns were produced, and a certain number of PLZ-07 self-propelled guns were delivered to the Marine Corps. Hundred and a half self-propelled guns PLZ-07 will not interfere with us?

Multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS)

Conventionally, Chinese MLRS can be divided into two types - those that developed on the basis of Soviet developments, Soviet calibers, and those that were developed in China independently, for new types of ammunition.

Russia has more than 2 Grad 500mm MLRS, about 122 Uragan 900mm MLRS and over 220 Smerch 100mm MLRS in service and in storage. The enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex are currently producing modernized Tornado-G MLRS of 300 mm caliber and Tornado-S MLRS of 122 mm caliber - precision-guided munitions are produced for the latter combat vehicle, similar to guided missiles of the American HIMARS MLRS.

Thus, it is unlikely that the RF Armed Forces have a need for Chinese 122 mm MLRS, although there are interesting models for this caliber in China.

Chinese MLRS PR50 Sandstorm caliber 120 mm with ammunition doubled compared to the MLRS "Grad"

There are no MLRS of 220 mm caliber in China, but MLRS of 300 mm caliber and more may well be useful to Russia. For example, the Chinese MLRS PHL-03 of 300 mm caliber is clearly the ideological successor of the MLRS "Smerch", however, judging by the data of open sources, in terms of performance characteristics it has already surpassed not only the "Smerch", but also the latest Russian MLRS "Tornado-S". ". At least the declared firing range for the PHL-03 MLRS with new ammunition is 160 kilometers, while the Tornado-S has 120 kilometers.

With a high probability, the PHL-03 MLRS is compatible in terms of ammunition with the Smerch MLRS, in which case the RF Armed Forces would not interfere with several dozen of these combat vehicles, especially since they were produced for the PLA in the amount of 175 units, and about 40 more vehicles were exported .

MLRS PHL-03

The PRC has two more MLRS - WS-2 / WS-2D caliber 400/425 mm and WS-3 / WS-3D caliber 400 mm, with a firing range of up to 400 kilometers. It is unlikely that they can be in demand in the RF Armed Forces due to the lack of ammunition for these vehicles, however, for the WS-3 / WS-3D MLRS, there are guided munitions that can be used in much smaller quantities than unguided ones, that is, the WS-MLRS 3 / WS-3D can be considered something like an analogue of the ATACMS operational-tactical missile launched by the HIMARS MLRS. If the United States starts deliveries of ATACMS missiles to Ukraine, the deliveries of the WS-3/WS-3D MLRS could become a symmetrical response from China.

Shell hunger

Ammunition does not happen much. Given the artillery nature of this war, it can be assumed that the supply of ammunition could be the simplest and most effective form of assistance from China. First of all, we are talking about artillery shells of 122 mm and 152 mm caliber. (especially since China itself is gradually switching to 155 mm caliber). The same applies to shells for multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) of 122 mm and 300 mm caliber. Perhaps the Russian Armed Forces will not interfere with other types of ammunition - mines of 120 mm caliber, shells for tank guns of 125 mm caliber, shells for small-caliber guns of 30 mm caliber, and so on.

A significant increase in fire performance in all sectors of the front will allow the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to quickly and with minimal losses "push through" the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Conclusions

This material provides a far from complete list of Chinese-made weapons that could potentially be useful to the RF Armed Forces.

Is there even a possibility that China will supply Russia with weapons for use in the NVO zone?

Is it unrealistic? And how realistic is what is happening in Ukraine now? Even two years ago, how many people would have believed in the bloody conflict of more than a year between Russia and Ukraine? To mobilization? In the sunken cruiser "Moscow"? What comments could be collected by the material “The possibility of strikes by Ukrainian UAVs of a long range on airfields based on a strategic aviation RF Armed Forces? Who would have believed that the Gulf countries would not go along with the US and bring down oil prices in order to pulverize the Russian economy after the start of the NWO? The fact that the MQ-9 Reaper UAV of the US Air Force “fell itself” into the Black Sea?

The world is changing, and sane leaders understand that the unilateral dictate of the United States for them and for their countries is a one-way road. Therefore, China may well have a “choice without a choice”, when it is necessary to either support Russia with all its might, resigning itself to possible sanctions by Western countries, which are still inevitable in the end, or begin to prepare for inevitable capitulation. Has China forgotten its position during the Opium Wars?

Yes, China always acts only in its own interests, and, as mentioned above, this is how any normal country should act. The problem is that the supply of arms to the RF Armed Forces may just be in the interests of China. The question is when this need will arise and will it appear at all?

The supply of armored vehicles and artillery systems is by no means an exhaustive list of what China can potentially offer our country and what the RF Armed Forces may need, but we will talk about this in the next article.

Comments

[Toucan]

It is extremely unlikely that China in the current situation will decide to provide large-scale military-technical support to Russia, risking its trade with the US and the EU.

[bayard]

It is unlikely that China will want to substitute direct arms deliveries, but the supply of some strategic goods and ingredients is quite. This can be machine tools and equipment for our defense enterprises, ingredients for gunpowder, etc. explosives, fabrics and accessories for uniforms ... But the main thing is equipment for the modernization of our defense industry enterprises, incl. repair factories.
And China could supply some types of equipment and weapons through intermediaries countries.
Here's North Korea... these definitely do not have any deterrents and vulnerabilities - they are up to their necks in sanctions, like us, only with more experience.
But first of all, you need to rely on your own forces, means and production. So today, many of our metallurgical companies have lost markets in Western countries and their satellites, and we do not have enough shells at the front.
WHY?
All free capacities of metallurgical enterprises of the Russian Federation are obliged (!) to organize mass production of shells as soon as possible. The production of fuses, explosives and propellants is also obliged to increase not even by a multiple (what production was there before the SVO), but by orders of magnitude.
There is a huge need for repair plants for the repair and modernization of equipment that is being withdrawn from the reserve. There are not so many of these enterprises left (and they still continue to go bankrupt !!), they need modernization and renewal of the machine park. A number of other enterprises suitable for such work should be redesigned, AND NEW ones BUILT.
Vehicles! There should not only be enough of it in the troops, there should be an excess amount of automotive equipment, because no one canceled losses in the war.
How can China help?
Both direct deliveries of automotive equipment, and assistance in the speedy modernization and expansion of production of military and paramilitary versions of the Urals and KAMAZ trucks, the supply of equipment, production lines and finished components.
Explosives and Inradients to Them.
Joint measures to prevent destabilization and incitement of conflicts in Central and South Asia.
Assistance of the Russian Federation in the development of domestic shipbuilding (construction of new shipyards and modernization of existing ones) with the supply of all the equipment necessary for this and the transfer of technologies in the part that interests us. Moreover, in this case we are talking specifically about civilian shipbuilding, because Russia (that's a surprise for the "gus business") suddenly needed a powerful merchant fleet, and even yesterday. And you need to build it yourself ... and register at your place ... and maintain / repair - at your place ... moreover, all cooperation in the shipbuilding industry, all localization must be 100%.
Can China help?
MAYBE !! And with a very good benefit for yourself.
Then China itself will withstand the upcoming ... yes, the confrontation with the West that has already begun.
China just needs to remove all restrictions on trade with Russia. That's all.
Then it will be possible to do without direct arms deliveries, as various authors and commentators argue. The NORMAL regime of free mutually beneficial trade without any restrictions will suffice.

[77alex77]

Here's a smart bayard everyone should, but don't you want capitalism? Money for a barrel is once and the owner of the plant will think whether he needs it or not and to whom he has sympathy, what will you do, will you shoot?

[bayard]

Quote: 77alex77

Here is a smart bayard

Quote: 77alex77

do you want capitalism?

And what do you want him? It has been thriving on the ruins of its former glory for 31+ years and does not ask anyone.

Quote: 77alex77

Money for a barrel is once and the owner of the plant will think whether he needs it

With money in the Russian State today, full prosperity, especially for defense. Budget revenues are rising (the IMF no longer steals under the "Fiscal Rule"), export prices are high, and the domonetization of the economy is proceeding according to plan. But about ... "he will think more" ... , this will not happen again - everyone will do WHAT IS NECESSARY. Otherwise, the results of privatization will certainly be reviewed. , and the orders of the Ministry of Defense and the Government will be fulfilled by the new owner.
So if your counterpart has not yet decided, or even more so, he has "no sympathy" ... I do not envy this unfortunate one.

Quote: 77alex77

What are you going to do, shoot?

Of course, I once had a relationship with such an organization as SMERSH, but not so bloodthirsty. And it's not for me to decide. I hope that domestic business will show patriotism and sanity, and will not go to extreme measures. And we will still be proud of our metallurgy, heavy industry and medium machine building. And the crazy privatizers of the 90s will prove their usefulness to the Society.
Otherwise, other owners will do it.

[Essex62]

Faith is downright Bolshevik. respect Is capitalism flourishing? Well, yes, the aroma of this flowering, at least put on a gas mask.
There are no prerequisites for your optimism. Those "crazy" tacks, with the same selfish interests.
Expand these interests towards the state? And why should they? They don't see the threat. After all, it is said: "everything goes according to plan."
Or do you have the knowledge that up there they planned to clean themselves?

[bayard]

Quote: Essex62

Is capitalism flourishing? Well, yes, the aroma of this flowering, at least put on a gas mask.

I didn’t put it in quotation marks, but you are talking about a gas mask.

Quote: Essex62

There are no prerequisites for your optimism.

One cannot live long in a war without optimism. And I've been living there for 9 years.
My optimism with a squint.

Quote: Essex62

why do they need it? They don't see the threat.

Actually they see it. Therefore, some dumped, some fidgeted, while others appoint bonuses for the destruction of "Leopards", "Abrams" and other "Challengers".

Quote: Essex62

Up there, they thought of cleaning themselves?

Well, in general, the earth is full of rumors.
In addition (as you probably know) we have capitalism ... and when one of the large owners loses trust in wartime or a military threat, then ... very attractive vacancies immediately appear new owners.
These artsy ones have already been ripped off by their Western partners, if science is not a horse, then the cart will definitely be re-harnessed. Moreover, all the cheese is fought precisely for the right of domestic business to trade freely and without exemptions, without the obligation to store proceeds in Western jurisdictions and prohibitions on investments in the Russian economy. The reason was precisely this - the term of the previous agreements had ended, and the crooks refused to go to the new, more fair conditions.

Quote: Essex62

After all, it is said: "everything goes according to plan"

What do you know about these plans?
And what do you know about the former conditions, from which the Russian side was SO eager to give up?
And she refused.
Result?
Despite the SVO and "Sanctions from Hell", investments in the Russian economy have INCREASED (!!) by 70% over the past year.
Only .
How did this happen?
Just 25.02.2022/40/70. it was announced that from that day on, the Russian Federation refuses and will no longer comply / comply with the "Budget Rule" (when everything above $ 52 per barrel of oil was taken by the IMF and the WB in the so-called "reserve funds", which the government can use The Russian Federation was forbidden, all the more so to invest them and spend them in Russia), as well as the intention to carry out the domonetization of the Russian economy (for now) up to 40% of 100% (this is officially, it really was about XNUMX%), at a rate of XNUMX% of GDP.
By the way, have you noticed ... the almost panicky statements of the financial authorities of Western countries that they "cannot find those 330-350 billion dollars that they have arrested"? They didn’t even have 30 billion there ... Hocus pocus.
So there is money for the war, and for investment.
So think, if these "boys from the 90s" took such risks and such a confrontation, then what will they do with those who have committed treason? The matter is serious.
And the enemy has HYSTERIC.
How else to call the decision to arrest Putin?
Yes, with this wording.
And at the same time, Trump ... for fucking a prostitute for good money 40 years ago. In short, for the company.
And this is against the backdrop of the collapse of their financial system.

Who is so "successful" and "great" surrenders??

[Essex62]

I don’t know anything about plans and can’t know. It looks very convincing, in words. It is possible that the West really disliked the wrestlers very much and most likely wants to replace ... but is that really the point? Conditional Hodor or Abramovich, no difference. The capitalist is always a patriot, only his own are powerful and there is no other way. To strain and force what to give for the war, hucksters from the losing clans, of course, they can and can squeeze. Here you are on point. But personally, I’m interested in another point, why, having lifted the retirement period, they didn’t provide me with the opportunity to finalize it.? Where I live, and not somewhere where, it seems, there are places. However, I know the answer to this question myself. Why are we fooling around for a year, although we have carried out the "hit first"? Why did they hand over the regions the next day after they were accepted. Why are volunteers and simply caring citizens engaged in supplying the army? Why did they rush from the database of contractors to my hard-earned people?
About the collapse of their financial system, not funny at all. And there is no hysteria there. Those who really drive all this in cold blood finish off the Russian People, practically without incurring any losses. There is a lot of paper, the machine works. And even if this leads to some kind of crisis in the states, they will not itch. It doesn't concern them. They didn't care about the Montana farmer. They bent the planet after 91-93 and are now invincible. They will transport the machine to Australia and that's it. They have bases all over the planet, just for that. The power component is quickly transferred. Although I don’t believe in the possibility of a big buzz in the US, so that to a critical point.

[bayard]

Quote: Essex62

I personally am interested in another point, why, having lifted the retirement period, I was not provided with the opportunity to finalize it.?

Well, you are not a goofy fish, you should remember HOW it happened then. Just before the start of the World Cup, the leadership of the Russian Federation received an ultimatum from some supranational structures - "either you raise the retirement age and do it immediately, or terrorist attacks will begin during the World Cup ... well, and other delights" ... Remember, probably through what "I don't want to" did it all break down then? And the World Cup was no longer to be stopped - the fans began to gather, and time could not be pulled ... I do not defend and do not justify - I just explain. The wisest thing would be to cancel the "pension reform" in half a year - a year, but since this did not happen, then there were reasons for this. But the state and the budget definitely did not benefit from this.
I have been living in Donetsk all these years, so I see everything from a slightly different point of view.

Quote: Essex62

Conditional Hodor or Abramovich, no difference.

Misha, Roma ... and other participants in the loans-for-shares auctions are appointed billionaires. Remember how Chubais said about this?
"With surcharge!!" - so it was.

Quote: Essex62

Why are we fooling around for a year, although we have carried out the "hit first"? Why did they hand over the regions the next day after they were accepted. Why are volunteers and simply caring citizens engaged in supplying the army?

In February of last year, everything was not planned at all - a police operation with the interception of control by "friendly forces" ... British intelligence outplayed us. And there the Americans pulled themselves up.
Our group did not have enough strength from the beginning. Yes, our fighters were forbidden to shoot at the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Do you remember?
Well, it was not without treason ... English intelligence knows how to work.
Now all databases are reduced to battles in the Donbass + some areas of the Zaporozhye, Kharkiv and Kherson regions. Conditions have changed, plans have been adjusted. It's just that the goals and objectives are somewhat (much) wider. And for us, the inhabitants of Donbass, there are much more reasons to grumble at the foolishness and sluggishness of the military. We have been living in the War for almost 9 years.

Quote: Essex62

About the collapse of their financial system, not funny at all. And there is no hysteria there.

Faith is the work of a believer, but both hysteria and the collapse (collapse \ contraction) of the financial sector are obvious - trillions of bank failures are already being burned. So far, not the most, but look at the capitalization of the rest, and what it rests on.

Quote: Essex62

. There is a lot of paper, the machine works. And even if this leads to some kind of crisis in the states, they will not itch.

If it goes on like this, then soon for the American dollar they will give in the sea. That is why they launched the reserve project "Ark" with the creation of AUCUS and the transfer of the center of the Anglo-Saxons to Australia ... with a resource base in Antarctica.
And the Northern Hemisphere - set fire to it and let it burn.
Risky.
For their plans are known and measures of punishment / retribution are provided.

Quote: Essex62

They didn't care about the Montana farmer.

That's right . Now, if Trump is arrested, there will definitely be no one to intercede for a farmer from Montana.

Quote: Essex62

They will transport the machine to Australia and that's it.

There are many machines in the world. Who will give and provide status to this machine? Especially when the Commonwealth of North American States, blazing with civil wars, appears in place of the United States.

Quote: Essex62

They have bases all over the planet

Who will finance them?
And without security, funding and support at the first call, they are so ... defenseless.

Quote: Essex62

Although I don’t believe in the possibility of a big buzz in the US, so that to a critical point.

But very many (about half plus or minus) Americans already believe in it. And in France, the people are already burning Paris and want to lynch Macron ... like Louis.

Quote: Essex62

.They bent the planet after 91-93 and are now invincible.

They bent the "elite" of the USSR through DECEPTION. It was they who deceived them - they divorced them like suckers. The rest caved in on their own.
But tyrants are not eternal. Old age sets in, weakness, infirmity, dementia ... But there is no heir ...
And the rights and status of the hegemon ... are beginning to be challenged.
Won China Iran reconciled with the Saudis ...

[Essex62]

I repeat. You are an impenetrable optimist. Wait and see. But some points should not be cited as arguments. About terrorist attacks and pension, for example. Or an unfounded statement about punish / retribution. This Union could. China is not our friend, it's a fellow traveler. They used our unlimited help, and then they armed the spirits in Afghanistan and generally crap where they could.

[Evil_critic]

Be more precise in terms of areas, for example, territories or districts ...

[77alex77]

How old are you Smershevets, SMERSH did not do this. No one will review the results of privatization, otherwise the whole Khan

[bayard]

Quote: 77alex77

How old are you smershevets

Well, given that our SMERSH existed in the DPR in 2014 - early 2015, then I’m still far from a hundred years old at lunchtime. Although the sixth dozen exchanged for a long time.

Quote: 77alex77

SMERSH did not do this.

This Rudolfovich is eager to do this in the capitals. I'm just watching.

Quote: 77alex77

No one will review the results of privatization, otherwise the whole Khan

Well ... you can offer ONE RUBLE, and it will be very difficult to refuse such an offer.
And all formalities will be observed.
Remember one guy ... very ambitious - he owned Yukos with a friend? I used to know both.
And Khan did not come for the consensus of the rest of the "responsible owners" was observed. The decision was agreed.
Here and now...

[fif21]

SMERSH was engaged in the destruction of traitors! That is, the destruction of those who rule Russia! Either Russia will turn into an economically developed power, or it will face a social explosion. People are already tired of how a handful of thieves are selling the country's resources without investing in technology development and their own population.

[Essex62]

The results of privatization should not be reviewed, it should be cancelled.

[whitebeard]

It is necessary to cancel the results of loans-for-shares auctions, not privatization

[Essex62]

And to preserve the existing rotten system of exploitation and dominance of hucksters? An awl for soap?

[bayard]

Quote: fif21

without investing in the development of technology and its own population.

In general, over the past year, investments in the Russian Federation have grown by as much as 70%.
They simply canceled the "Budget Rule", removed the funds of reserve funds from under arrest (when in the West they seem to have arrested 330-350 billion dollars, and now they cannot find even 20 billion), so funds appeared for investment, war and development. The economy is ... growing. Despite Sanctions from Hell.

Quote: fif21

SMERSH was engaged in the destruction of traitors!

Basically, spies. And he acted in the frontline zone.

[Essex62]

Various SMERSH Directorates acted in different directions and had different subordination. Including in the rear.

[dorz]

This meeting is just mutual PR, an attempt to put pressure on the United States with the threat of an alliance between the Russian Federation and China, which will certainly not happen, because both sides are too dependent on who is shown "Kuzkin's mother."

[fif21]

Quote: dorz

This meeting is just mutual PR, an attempt to put pressure on the United States

This is a change of master by Russia! Yes, the United States made a fatal miscalculation, but Russia, as it was a "gas station", will remain so. And this is not happy.

[Civil]

1. Open sources say that the PRC is complying with the sanctions. Of course, it is clear that they observe what is beneficial to them.
2. Do not forget that for the Chinese Communists - the Russian Federation is a weakening capitalist power, on the basis of which (what not to do) they develop their state as well.

[Monster_Fat]

I’m embarrassed to ask, but will China not supply service personnel, as well as soldiers and officers? If everything goes "to exhaustion" (and everything goes to that), then manpower, oh how, will be needed.

[bayard]

Quote: Monster_Fat

I’m embarrassed to ask, but will China not supply service personnel, as well as soldiers and officers? If everything goes "to exhaustion" (and everything goes to that), then manpower, oh how, will be needed.

I don’t know how it is in China, but mobilization has already begun in North Korea, 800 thousand volunteers have already signed up for yesterday / the day before yesterday. They are going to fight with the USA ... and where is the best place to do it, if not here - in the Donbass.
A joke.
But Kim said that he and Russia are now in the same trench.
And the mobilization of volunteers really began there.
And 800 thousand the day before yesterday - official information.
And in the West they are already writing that Xi, having arrived in Moscow after the next election, will also "jump into Putin's trench."
... They're lying.
But they are afraid, for sure.

[olgherd]

Quote: bayard

But Kim said that he and Russia are now in the same trench.

It would be nice to lift the Russian sanctions against North Korea. For decency.

[bayard]

Quote from olgherd

It would be nice to lift the Russian sanctions against North Korea. For decency.

Russia did not impose sanctions against S. Korea, but it does comply with UN sanctions. Withdrawal from the UN sanctions is apparently not yet considered.
But if "in the same trench", then of course it is desirable to leave. Yes, apparently it will.

[whitebeard]

Words in the East are not worth much;) Kim won’t get into the trenches for anyone, he’s fine anyway)) And even more so, he won’t send “volunteers” anywhere - he himself is needed if South Korea and the United States, as part of the hype of China’s attempt to seize Taiwan, charge the offensive to SevKor with the aim of overthrowing Kimych. He is only afraid of this, he does not care about the rest)))

[bayard]

Quote: whitebeard

Words in the East are not worth much

Words in the West are worth nothing. Agree that there is still a difference between "not much" and "nothing".

Quote: whitebeard

Kim will not climb into the trenches for anyone, he is already fine

Kim again faced the problem of food security. And he instructed his Army ... to solve the issue of food security. No, of course, you can send soldiers to the beds, maybe the harvest will increase ... But Russia, after an unprecedented harvest and a ban on exports, has tens of millions of marketable grain. So that it does not rot out - it already promises Africa for free.
And North Korea while starving??
When is the Army responsible for food security??
No, I'm not saying anything, but Russian marketable grain is much more reliable than Korean soldiers in the garden. Well, logically...

Quote: whitebeard

And even more so, he will not send "volunteers" anywhere

Nevertheless, volunteers continue to sign up, and today at least a million of them have been tipped. After all, they also want to eat ... and not just trample the beds ...

Quote: whitebeard

South Korea and the United States, as part of the hype of China's attempt to seize Taiwan, will launch an attack on SevKor in order to overthrow Kimych.

To a nuclear power??
With intercontinental ballistic missiles in nuclear equipment ???
With a bunch of missiles of all types and types, from KR to IRBM and ICBM? With a couple of hundred nuclear warheads to them?
What kind of "Madman" should be included?
Kim did a great job - he ensured the security of his own country, developed science and the economy in the face of severe sanctions and a trade blockade. But the problem remains with food - the mountains are there, there are few arable and generally suitable lands it's geography.
I think that the North Korean people deserve a more dignified life.
And Kim thinks so.
And he believes that the Army will provide them with food security.
Well , or volunteers .

Quote: whitebeard

South Korea and the United States, as part of the hype of China's attempt to seize Taiwan, will launch an attack on SevKor in order to overthrow Kimych. He is only afraid of this, he does not care about the rest

If Kim really didn't care he probably would have given up a long time ago.
And he builds rockets - more and more, better, further, stronger.
The economy is developing.
It remains for Kim to solve the last question of survival and a brighter future for his country - to feed the people to their fill and break through the trade blockade.
Russia has food. Lots of food.
And Russia also needs builders.
And the Koreans of the north are good builders. Conscientious.
Do you see a consensus of interests?

[Revolver]

Quote: Monster_Fat

If everything goes "to exhaustion" (and everything goes to that), then manpower, oh how, will be needed.

If the war is "until the last Ukrainian", then the Ukrainians will run out much earlier than the reserves of the Russian Federation. And if NATO troops get involved, then it will already be a world war with all the ensuing consequences, and China will not be allowed to stand aside. If only because if China remains on the sidelines, with unspent arsenals and manpower, and its territory is not affected by bombing, then after the war China will dictate what it wants to the whole world, since all other centers of power will either lick their wounds for a long time, or at all will cease to exist. And neither the West nor Russia needs it.

[bayard]

Quote: Civil

1. Open sources say that the PRC is complying with the sanctions. Of course, it is clear that they observe what is beneficial to them.

That's what I'm talking about. But after all, they may consider that it will be beneficial for them to remove all restrictions on trade. Or just carry out all deliveries (which you don’t want to shine) through gaskets. Maybe they'll just talk about this with Xi in the Kremlin.

Quote: Civil

2. Do not forget that for the Chinese communists - the Russian Federation is a weakening capitalist power,

But is our weakness profitable for them, or even more so - a loss, against the background of the confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons that has already begun?
Let's not forget that we now have a very surplus trade balance with China, and it is desirable to reduce the balance to zero - that is, to a full balance.
After all, we are primarily interested in production and industrial equipment, components for our mechanical engineering and, in principle, everything that we previously received from Europe. This is beneficial for Chinese manufacturers, because the previous trade turnover with Europe was from 400 to 500 billion dollars. This is a lot and serious even for China. Our trade turnover with China has not yet reached 200 billion dollars. so there is room to grow. Russia needs a lot from China and our exports there are growing. If China can replace European suppliers, it will receive another + 300 billion dollars. trade turnover - minimum.

[Ivan F]

"But after all, they may consider that it will be beneficial for them to remove all restrictions on trade." - and they have already calculated everything for a long time, so there are no and will not be deliveries of weapons. And there are no prospects for them to reconsider their decisions. They are not ready to destroy their economy, which, unlike ours, is tightly tied to the United States. They have their own goals and objectives for the next 10 years and the destruction of "themselves" for the sake of Russia is not in their plans. There will be moral support, technology assistance, but weapons are out of the question. And to be honest, it will not be of much use, but technology is another matter. We need them much more than tanks and guns, because we ourselves are perfectly able to make them.

[bayard]

Russia does not need weapons from China, these are enthusiastic hysterics tearing themselves along both front lines. Machine tools , equipment , components , electronics , satellite support . I don’t see at all with what weapons China can help us. We have different calibers.

[gsev]

Quote: bayard

But North Korea ... these definitely do not have any deterrents and vulnerabilities - they are up to their ears in sanctions, like us, only with more experience.

Putin has imposed and maintains harsher sanctions against the DPRK than against the US, Europe and even Ukraine. Moreover, the sanctions were introduced at the height of the conflict in the Donbass. Before imposing sanctions against the DPRK in 2017, Putin forced Gref in 2014 to develop the activities of Sberbank in Ukraine to the detriment of the development of Sberbank's activities in Crimea.

[Guran33 Sergey]

The South Koreans owe us a decent sum of money, and so that payments do not stop, we basically cannot take anything from the north.

[CTABEP]

Shells, communications and barrels for artillery systems. This is needed first. Oh yes - we still needed brains and eggs, so as not to bring it to this. Indeed, who among the regulars in VO a year and a half ago could have imagined that Kyiv would not be not only in 3 days, but even in 13 months.

[Revolver]

Quote: Tucan

It is extremely unlikely that China in the current situation will decide to provide large-scale military-technical support to Russia, risking its trade with the US and the EU.

Moreover, Beijing may decide that it is more profitable for them to participate in the division of Russia. They will wait for an even greater weakening of Russia in the NWO, and will make claims to the Far East and a considerable piece of Siberia. And how will Russia respond to these claims if the best troops are employed on the Ukrainian front? Russia, as in the time of Alexander III, has only two allies, the army and the navy.

[paul3390]

make claims to the Far East

On feijoa is it for them? In those parts there are no special raw materials, except for Sakhalin. In Eastern Siberia - there is, but they just need incredible investments that even the mighty Soviet Union could not afford. They are not interested in the land there, Avon - they have the whole of Inner Mongolia empty ..

No - unless, of course, the Russian Federation crumbles in parts, China will clean up those edges. Just to keep your opponents away. But I can’t imagine climbing myself .. For all 4 thousand years of their history, they have not climbed beyond the Amur, even under the most powerful dynasties ..

[Revolver]

Quote: paul3390

For all 4 thousand years of their history, they have not climbed beyond the Amur, even under the most powerful dynasties ..

That's the same thing they paint on their maps of the Far East and Siberia, like lands illegally and unjustly taken from China by the Russian tsars. And all the treaties of tsarist times on the border are referred to as unjust and imposed by force.

[paul3390]

So what? We have enough fools too .. You can paint anything - but neither Siberia nor the Far East NEVER belonged to China, under any dynasties. They are not interested there. So how could we tear them away from them?

You need to look at the official position. And - on real gestures .. And they are obvious - there is no point for China to butt heads with us for those territories .. Even the stubborn Japanese understood this, who did not go there in the 41st. What is there to take??? And a lot of hemorrhoids..

[sadam2]

Conditional pintos there across the ocean and we threaten to bluff with nuclear bombs obstktno each other. Beyond the Urals, we have 10 million people. In Nakhodka, south of Primorye, there are one and a half cripples left ... come here, comrade patriots ... the vacuum cannot last long with a neighbor with a mile and a half. The Chinese bought Latinos Africa .. sooner or later their capital will move from Beijing to Moscow ... in the current conditions, they generally buy up subsoil at cost

[Arisaka]

Look at the map of the territorial claims of "peaceful Taiwan" to others.

When you read about "in Chinese textbooks on maps there are territorial claims against Russia" - this is about Taiwanese textbooks, if anything, it just gets hushed up quietly. "Noble White Monarchists".

By the way, we have closed all territorial issues with China.
in my opinion, we are the only neighbor of China with whom everything is finally settled.

[Ivan F]

"On feijoa is it to them?" - for "foie gras" and us. That was. In general, the map shows everything well. From Baikal and to the north, everything to the east seems to be not very good. But if you look closely, you can immediately see the northern seas, and even the Bering Sea, and even more so the Sea of ​​​​Okhotsk, this is just a gift. And how much fresh water is there, and in the near future it will be oh so expensive .. Now China is tightly squeezed by its "good neighbors", and growing "those" territories would be just happiness for it. Severe natural conditions, yes there is. But with the current level of development of energy and everything else, there are no problems with development. The main desire. Therefore, yes, now China is silent, and in the future it may well ask "well, at least share a little." And the main thing for us is not to oversleep this moment.

[nickname7]

declare claims to the Far East and a considerable piece of Siberia.

The central part of China, as it were, enters the Pacific Ocean like a wedge and the climate is subequatorial there, and most of the Chinese population lives there. The Far East steeply goes to the north and it would seem that it is close to China, but the climate in the Far East is already continental.
Russians love to travel to Thailand in winter frosts, they will fall on the beaches, and Thais are not eager to travel to Siberia. Rather, the Russian Federation will capture the Thai coast than the Thais Siberia.

[Joker62]

From China with Love: Prospects for the Supply of Heavy Weapons to the NMD Zone from China

For what? So that the Chinese learn about the weak and strong points in their weapons ???
And after that, you can expect a stab in the back after the elimination of weaknesses.
And this is expected.
It would be better for ours to carry out State Defense Orders more quickly, and not borrow from China.

[Joker62]

Quote: Tucan

It is extremely unlikely that China in the current situation will decide to provide large-scale military-technical support to Russia, risking its trade with the US and the EU.

He needs Taiwan. Therefore, China is at stake in order to test their equipment and weapons on the battlefield of Ukraine.

[Revolver]

Quote: Joker62

He needs Taiwan.

He also needs Siberia, and it is not yet known what is more.

[Nickelium]

For what? Siberia is a refrigerator without a handle. There is a whole warm Burma there.

[smart fellow]

The Americans themselves will give China Taiwan as the British Hong Kong, but in 2 years when a large-scale production of chips will be created in the USA. They have already allocated 58 billion dollars for these purposes and they are received by leading Taiwanese and South Korean electronics companies, factories are already being built.
The issue of Taiwan for China is fundamental, not existential, and they will wait 2 years. They built the Great Wall of China for 2000 years.

[Odessa2023]

They started from the wrong place! The problems of artillery and armored vehicles in the RF Armed Forces are already taking place, but they are not as critical as the catastrophic lag behind the Armed Forces of Ukraine in communications, in the first place (this is one of the most important problems why the RF Armed Forces are not able to conduct a strategic offensive - no the ability to effectively manage the mass of different troops using closed communications - everything is FULLY listening to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and this is one of the main reasons why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are one step ahead of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation); means of reconnaissance, surveillance, guidance (but all the information is clearly leaked by the NATO block of the Armed Forces of Ukraine); the use of automated combat control systems by various units online using special software and AI (although back in the early 80s, the USSR already tried even in Western81 exercises to use automated systems for controlling the mass of troops, which greatly strained the NATO bloc). So no matter how the Russians are now trying to advertise the appearance of mass all sorts, including bla-kamikaze, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have had them for a long time and a lot from the very beginning. no worse for sure, or even better in certain parameters. Also, the Russian Aerospace Forces does not, in fact, and cannot work effectively on air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is only at Konashenkov that it was destroyed long ago in his fantasy speeches.

[Sergey Venediktov]

there is no way to effectively manage the mass of different troops using closed communications

Excuse me, where did you hear such nonsense?

Gambling since 2012 closed this problem completely and irrevocably (naturally when used correctly). However paradoxical it may be, after SVO, Rogozin and Serdyukov will be erected monuments for gambling.


Everything that was announced in 2012 has been fulfilled, the first video confirms what was said below 11 years ago:


If the signalmen do not have enough intelligence to solder the wire for remote antennas on their own, then this is the problem of crooked hands (did they solder for TV at home?) And then, it is solved like this :)

In addition, everyone has the opportunity to use the Russian Starlink, and if it is not there somewhere, then these are the problems of those where it is not there, as well as those who did not bother to read the user manual for Azarts:
(Assault on Gostomel)

Pay attention to the date, everything that is said below is confirmed in the first video from CBO:
Dec 11, 2020
https://vk.com/wall-125121854_263257

The Russian army has problems with communications only because non-regular radio stations are allowed, which not only unmask the location of the troops, but also yavl. usually not secure means of communication.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: Sergey Venediktov

Gambling since 2012 closed this problem completely and irrevocably (naturally, with their proper use). No matter how paradoxical it may be, but after the SVO Rogozin and Serdyukov will be erected monuments for Azarty.

Under Serdyukov, there were Aqueduct walkie-talkies, with them they took Crimea in 2014. "Azart" project Shoigu, 7 years bought portable radio stations devoid of a relay base and a range of up to 4 km, which were created on American components from Texas Instruments and Analog devices, with the acquisition of which problems suddenly arose. It is impossible to build a full-fledged communication system at Azarty, because the walkie-talkies that are required for installation as repeaters have to be taken from people on the front line. The Chinese radio stations Baofeng UV-5R and UV-82 without any encryption have become a sad standard in the RF Armed Forces. And only numerous defeats and losses made some people think about whether it is worth buying digital radio stations and building radio networks not "from portables" but "from repeaters". A year later, someone suggested to the generals that the Ministry of Defense was buying 6 Chinese Kirisun portable digital radio stations already complete with repeaters, you can at least buy repeaters for them, since these are civilian radio stations and they are on the market.

[Sergey Venediktov]

walkie-talkies "Aqueduct"

What model do you mean? Radio stations Aqueduct of the 5th generation, and Excitement of the 6th, it's like a bicycle and a / m.

"Azart" project Shoigu

The first time I've heard. Watch the second video from 2012.

bought portable radios devoid of a relay base

they bought everything, both radio stations and repeaters, but at the tactical level, as a rule, specialized repeaters are unnecessary, if you read the instructions for Azarts.

and range - up to 4 km

there is a video on youtube on how to work with Azart for intercontinental range, and there is even a video on how to do it on a standard antenna.

[media=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xLmQ3YUpZAo]

which are created on American components from Texas Instruments and Analog devices

later 11 years in 2023, find a smartphone on the Russian ECB, then we will discuss why in 2012g Azart developers have chosen a foreign ECB

We are 25 years behind in ECB and this is not a question for Azarts, ..., Angstrem, Mikron and not even for Putin, this is a question for those who voted for Yeltsin 2 times in the 90s and thus approved in the Russian Federation capitalism and the market, where industry, including microelectronics, is a market sector of the economy, which developed by entrepreneurs, and not for the state. check.

If you get to the details, then Excitement (SDR - radio) is made on 3 key chips easily available on aliexpress (LTC2262 - ADC, AD9747BCPZ- DAC and "heart" FPGA XILINX® SPARTAN-6 XC6SLX75). Implementation of a radio device (radio station) on ADC+DAC+FPGA this is the most important thing, which allows us to call Azarty a radio station of the 6th generation or SDR - radio

Those. Excitement is a Software Defined Radio System when all signal processing goes in a program that is converted into a logic circuit implemented on an FPGA. This hardware circuit for processing digitized with assistance. The signal ADC is called "firmware" (program) and can be changed according to the user's tasks. From this follows the conclusion that portable Excitement can be anyone on the radio network and create any kind of complex radio network. Therefore, Azarts (portable) work as receivers, transmitters and repeaters - initially.

Blaming someone that they did not buy repeaters is untenable, because. Gambling can be anyone in the radio network, it all depends on the firmware (see the first video above from "Death Number"). For example: https://t.me/oboronka_channel/4484

6 Chinese Kirisun portable digital radios

The price of Azart in 2012 was about 200 thousand rubles. for a piece, the simplest digital Kirisun after 11 years cost 10 times less. If they are bought to replace Azarts in the rear units outside the SVO, and send Azarts to the front, then this is quite reasonable. In the case of buying radio stations for the front, you need to deal with which model Kirisun buy, and if these models do not provide communication security at the Azartov level, then it is necessary to initiate criminal cases and plant pests.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: Sergey Venediktov

they bought everything, both radio stations and repeaters, but at the tactical level, as a rule, specialized repeaters are unnecessary, if you read the instructions for Azarts.

Base portable and portable stations were excluded from the Azart project, leaving only portable stations, because they gave a rollback rate that, at a price of a quarter of a million rubles per station, suited the customer. Now the investigation is underway, the "chief signalman of the army" is being investigated in the case of corruption. We can no longer produce even these Azart portable radio stations due to the fact that there is no way to get mass-produced American components of sanctioned electronics at all. I will answer the rest of the points later.
Read more about the case here:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4712794

[Sergey Venediktov]

Base portable and portable stations were excluded from the Azart project, leaving only portable stations, because they gave a rollback rate that, at a price of a quarter of a million rubles per station, suited the customer

Word of mouth :)


No one ruled out anything, Azarts were made in the quantities and the nomenclature that were originally determined. Also, Gambling DOES NOT require separate repeaters at the tactical level, because they themselves are.

How many more times do I need to repeat this?

Read more about the case here:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4712794

Ok, where is there a mention that the contract has not been fulfilled, because. from it are excluded repeaters?

There, they tried to attach Azarty to the Voentelekom case in order to squeeze Angstrem-T from Reiman. It was done so clumsily that Gambling was excluded from the charges

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5340173

There is no doubt that the generals are mostly crooks and thieves, but in the case of the Azarts, everything was different. If the generals and Reiman stole a lot, Reiman would have enough money to launch the Angstrem-T and we would have another working factory besides Mikron. And since stole little or nothing at all, then this inflicted a strategic defeat on Russian microelectronics, because initially Angstrem-T was built under the design standards of 28 nm, but for this he had to have stable fat orders from the RF Ministry of Defense and the state.

Now the investigation is trying to blame the generals for overpricing a unique product that is not on the market (2012) by just 50%, while the Russian military-industrial complex winds up from the market as a rule 3 to 1000 times

We can no longer produce "Excitement" due to the fact that American components of sanctioned electronics cannot be mass-produced there at all.

Do you know how to read English? I gave the denominations (names of microcircuits) and their image, where white on black - production China XILINX® SPARTAN-6 XC6SLX75 has a production rate 45 nm, If Micron had not just cut the grant at 65 nm, but really used it to create his microcircuits, then this tech. the norm would be enough to localize production in Russia with a larger and more expensive crystal, although this would not make any sense.

LTC2262 - ADC, AD9747BCPZ - DAC and "heart" of FPGA XILINX® SPARTAN-6 XC6SLX75)

Chips for Gambling are made in Taiwan and now in China, millions of parties, and they are available in every chain store in quantities sufficient to cover all conceivable and even inconceivable needs of the RF Ministry of Defense, in fact, for this reason, you can freely buy digital radio stations :)

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: Sergey Venediktov

Blaming someone that they did not buy repeaters is untenable, because. Gambling can be anyone in the radio network, it all depends on the firmware

There is a choice by the manufacturers of "AZART" digital protocol TETRA, which in itself is very good, but it is completely tailored to the network of base stations on the principle of mobile communication. At the same time, the manufacturers of Azart do not produce these same base stations. They don't even produce car stations. Therefore, our people launch AZART on kites and civilian quadrocopters in order to create at least temporarily a single-frequency repeater. This is the problem.
By the way, in 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine transferred the entire army to closed digital communications and scattered a huge number of repeaters along the front line.

[Sergey Venediktov]

to create at least temporarily a single-frequency repeater.

YOU do not understand the meaning of the words you use. What is a single frequency repeater if Azarty uses frequency hopping?
This is the mode hop frequency spectrum, mosaic - frequency hopping (Y) axis - X time

The feature of Excitement is that it can work in one person in such a way that it will seem that several stations are working at once :) there was enough speed to create it and the dynamic range of the DAC. This is the SDR-radio (Software-defined radio system) - a program-designed signal goes to the radio and it occupies the spectrum width that the programmer sets.

Reread what is written about Azarty (their performance characteristics)

I repeat once again, watch the first video and google every incomprehensible word


Excitement in 2012 was (I think) the best digital radio station in the world and beat all analogues in NATO.

The majority of 99,99% of Azart's critics in radio engineering (modern) do not understand the word at all.

[Arisaka]

The saddest thing is that the FPGA, ADC and DAC are not something prohibitively complex constructively.
After all, oscilloscopes somehow do the same, or now there is nothing left. It seems there are some 5578TC064. Eh, it's embarrassing.

[Sergey Venediktov]

The saddest thing is that the FPGA, ADC and DAC are not something prohibitively complex constructively.

The devil is in the details:
High-speed ADC from scratch. 16 bits in 10 years
https://habr.com/ru/company/milandr/blog/530662/

Milandr made a high-speed ADC for 10 years

5578TC064 - there is not enough logical capacity by about 300% to replace Spartan-6 2009 (this is my estimate)

[Arisaka]

Thanks, it was very interesting to read. I read about the CPU, it's also sad.

[nickname7]

Gambling since 2012 closed this problem completely and irrevocably

Who are you telling this lie to?
I typed pictures on Wikipedia and overcame with pictures. The fact that a prototype repeater was photographed and posted on the network does not mean that "excitement" was put into the troops. According to reviews from the front line, there are no "excitement". The money was allocated, but the money was stolen, so there is no modern military cellular communication in the army.

there is a video on youtube on how to work with Azart for an intercontinental range

How are you going to work with pictures over an intercontinental range if there is no network based on repeaters?
There is a video where they complain that the walkie-talkie is enough for a range of 300 meters, it quickly sits down.
Here is also a picture
Meet Deputy Chief of the General Staff Khalil Arslanov

Khalil Arslanov was arrested on February 7 last year. Allegations of two episodes of fraud totaling almost 6,7 billion rubles. presented to him back in October 2019. It was about embezzlement in the framework of the execution of a state contract in the amount of 191,4 million rubles. and "at least" 6,5 billion rubles.
That's who stole the money and therefore there is no radio communication with the RA.

The feature of Excitement is that it can work in one person so that it will seem that several stations are working at once

Once again, a liar, "excitement" is not deployed like a large cellular network with repeaters, which means there are no chips, the chips are only in the pictures.
It seems that an employee of the Kremlin has come to our forum; their fraud there has reached such heights that they believe in pictures, and not in reality.
There is an investigation by Murza where batteries for "excitement" with an expired shelf life.

here's some more news-

The Babushkinsky District Court of Moscow approved a parole for the former top manager of Voentelecom JSC Alexander Davydov, who was convicted of involvement in a 1,4 billion scam. The life of a millionaire awaits him at will.
In October 2022, the court sentenced him to four years and two months in prison, and in March 2023, five months later, he received parole.
The guarantor does not give his own. Stole go free with a clear conscience.

[mark1]

Yes, stop dealing with Manilovism - China will help us, North Korea will help us, Iran will help us, Belarus ... They (and others) do not need this hemorrhoids - help yourself.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: mark1

Yes, stop dealing with Manilovism - China will help us, North Korea will help us, Iran will help us, Belarus ... They (and others) do not need this hemorrhoids - help yourself.

Quite right! The commander of our formation always said: "If you don't need yourself, why do others need you." We have to make everything ourselves.

[Sergey Venediktov]

Enough manilovism

This is not manilovism, this is a desire for the best.

Allies in any war worth its weight in gold. Even the United States, to which we returned gold for lend-lease almost until August 21, 2006.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Sergey Venediktov

Enough manilovism

This is not manilovism, this is a desire for the best.

Allies in any war worth its weight in gold. Even the United States, to which we returned gold for lend-lease almost until August 21, 2006.

The USSR did not pay for Lend-Lease. At first, he negotiated for a very long and dreary time, and then when they finally agreed on a small amount, he announced that he would not pay because of the unfriendly policy of the United States,

[Klaus8691]

Agree completely! All the last time, after the collapse of the USSR, we constantly hear, these will help us, they will help. But it wasn’t fate to engage in the development of technologies, production? So many years down the drain. No one will ever help us without their own benefit.

[svp67]

At the moment, Russia WILL NOT buy anything from armored vehicles from China. But this does not exclude requests for the supply of some devices for it, especially night observation and aiming devices, as well as ammunition, including for the 125-mm TP of our tanks.
Yes, and this does not exclude the purchase of armored vehicles for review, I think that this will apply to infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, and, of course, cannon and rocket artillery combat vehicles.

[SergeyB]

Quote: svp67

Russia WILL NOT buy anything from armored vehicles from China. But this does not exclude requests for the supply of some devices for it, especially night observation and aiming devices, as well as ammunition, including for the 125-mm TP of our tanks

Yes, in principle, from strike weapons, we don’t need anything. We have means of destruction, chew at least one place.
What we lack is high-quality reconnaissance and target designation means.
That's what we're missing

[archiroll]

All this time he lived with the understanding that the stock of weapons on the reservation from the USSR remained for another 2-3 world wars. But it turned out to be not enough for a small war ...

[bayard]

Quote: arhitroll

All this time he lived with the understanding that the stock of weapons on the reservation from the USSR remained for another 2-3 world wars. But it turned out to be not enough for a small war ...

Equipment in storage is not eternal - 31+ years have passed since the death of the Union, far from everything can already be raised and returned to service.
Tanks are possible. With BMP it is already more difficult, but also not hopeless. But motor vehicles are almost 100% FSE.
The shelf life of ammunition is also not infinite.
In addition, there is quite enough equipment and weapons for this war. There are problems with the capacities for their repair and modernization. These capacities themselves need to be expanded and modernized. And China can help with this.
Yes, and the towers do not have the task of "achieving an early victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The tasks there are different and much wider. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... will wait ... if they survive, with such losses.

[Odessa2023]

... In addition, there is quite enough equipment and weapons for this war ...
Oh, is it enough! Really, from such a huge "enough" they are already starting to try to cross a hippopotamus with a horse.
... The shelf life of ammunition is also not endless ... - of course not endless! I once shot in 93 with 76mm ZiS-3 shells of 1944. We have about 100 rounds of 1-2 "not shot "for various reasons. And the guns had such barrel wear that they tried to use them only as salutes mainly and more for demonstration to 1st year cadets. with 3mm m1995. And what have I recently seen in the Cart ???!!! Painfully familiar m130 !!!!! once removed and again put into service with the RF Armed Forces !!!! And even under the tsar, peas were no longer produced for them.

[SergeyB]

Quote: arhitroll

All this time he lived with the understanding that the stock of weapons on the reservation from the USSR remained for another 2-3 world wars. But it turned out to be not enough for a small war ...

Where did you get that it's missing?
Have we run out of tanks in storage?
End of art, aviation?
What's over?
Only Ukrainians talk about shell hunger.
And this is due to the fact that "the whole world is with them" and this world supplies them with weapons and ammunition. And they don't have enough ammo. And the Ukrainians do not fit into the head that Russia may have more ammunition than "the whole world."
This means that Russia has a "shell hunger".
And the fact that Russia every day fires several times more shells than the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not bother the Ukrainians at all.
Ukrainians have long been accustomed to living in a situation where their fictional reality is grossly at odds with the observed reality.
It doesn't cause them any discomfort.

[Glory1974]

Where did you get that it's missing?
Have we run out of tanks in storage?
End of art, aviation?

The information is secret, no one knows the truth. But under Medvedev, equipment was no longer stored in storage. They decided to send everything to the troops. I received the car from the storage base, there were about 400 of them, and a few years later I came and took the last one. about 90 tanks. So we don’t have them left in storage. So the stocks are melting.

[MBRSS]

What's over?

They say that the barrels quickly develop a resource with such intense shooting - hence the accuracy drops.
And if the art wears out, and there is no way to quickly repair it, then shock drones can replace it, with which we are somehow not very good. Therefore, there is always something to buy from the neighbors, there would be an opportunity.

[Odessa2023]

Barrel wear is only one of the reasons. With such a long and, moreover, not always correct storage of ammo, the characteristics of the ammunition also begin to noticeably deteriorate. Hence all sorts of shortfalls and so on. "charms". Or maybe break the trunk too.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Yes, there is no need for any intensity to shoot trunks. We have been fighting for more than a year, even with the most modest daily consumption, say, 10 rounds per day, the resource will have time to run out. The question is - what about the production of trunks? I read that the French, with the maximum intensification of production, reached 9 barrels (155 mm) per month (!). I mean, it's not easy.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: SergeyB

Only Ukrainians talk about shell hunger.

Moreover, one particular Ukrainian, Prigozhenko, says the most.

[parusnik]

"Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves" (c) Chip and Dale will not help ..

[tralflot1832]

Has anyone heard about our cooperation with China in space? There was such silence. That's where we can get help from. The Chinese will most likely supply processors for us from "their washing machines". Processors are also cooperation in space. And we have everything else. But everything can change if the West decides to impose sanctions on China. Then we may have everything that whatever. And so there were photos of the modernized T72, at a factory in China, for an unknown customer. On March 16, a train was sent from Beijing to Moscow, and it will be regular, the Chinese say that the goods there are civilian. Travel time is 18 days.

[Amateur]

China is on its own and for itself. And the Chinese treat all non-Chinese with well-hidden contempt. Everyone who has worked with their specialists knows this.
ps And where did the tens of thousands of tanks that the USSR had and which were supposed to be at storage bases go?

[Stas157]

. China always acts only in their own interests, and, as mentioned above, this is what any normal country should do.

Based on this message, it is easy to guess that China will soon dictate its political will to a country that has become completely dependent on China. And we have great prospects of becoming a satellite of Greater China and following in the wake of its policy.

But about weapons - hardly. Well, tell me, why should China substitute arms supplies to Russia? China will only lose from this.
Now China is doing well. China's gigantic trade with the US and Europe, despite the sanctions and the trade war, is growing. Russia, after breaking off ties with the West, is in a rigid dependence. Nothing needs to be changed.

[Sergey T19]

China is doing well regarding what? They have now reached the ceiling of their development. They have reached such a stage that in order to expand it is necessary to wring out spheres of influence from the West. It is impossible to stop, either development or stagnation. A striking example of the USSR.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Sergey T19

China is doing well regarding what? They have now reached the ceiling of their development. They have reached such a stage that in order to expand it is necessary to wring out spheres of influence from the West. It is impossible to stop, either development or stagnation. A striking example of the USSR.

why such a conclusion, served as truth? they have a development ceiling - the whole world, essentially by the geography of the products supplied ..

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

The USSR did not need any natural resources from outside in such a volume, nor markets. That is, both are a good bonus, but at the very least you can do without. But for China they are vital. And here it looks not like the USSR, but like Germany, which twice hit the ceiling of development and tried to wring out the sphere of influence from the West, and twice it ended in the complete collapse of Germany, but also in the reformatting of the West itself in favor of the United States.

[Bledar]

Maybe it would have been so if the UWB had not sharpened knives for China now. We are the only allies with whom China borders and who will be able to supply China with everything necessary in case of emergency. So who is more interested in whom is the question. It is clear that the union is situational, but who knows, maybe it will exist for a long time and productively. There is no point in throwing us at them, because. they are the next thing for westerns, and westerns do not hide it at all

[Ezekiel 25-17]

If China understands the decision to conduct an operation similar to the NWO, but against Taiwan, then: it will deliver. The Russian Federation should have a free hand. True, before this, some (mutual) allied obligations will be required.

[Vadim S]

They have already overtaken us in everything! And the fact that they booed me here for transferring technology to them is out of cowardice, they already have everything, everything new is appearing at a huge pace. If one of our people is afraid that something will be taken from us there, then if necessary, they will take it anyway. We have nothing to turn up our noses, we need to be kinder

[Blackflag88]

Why can't they replicate our aircraft engines? They buy them from us, and the same engines that they themselves created or copied have a resource 2 times less, so why? Maybe you exaggerate the importance of China too much? Get China the same sanctions as Russia, he would have hoarded for 6 months. China is a strong country, but its power should not be exaggerated, there are only 2 players in the world, Russia and the USA, and all the rest are just spectators one way or another….

[Sergey T19]

Because our engine building is 90 years old, and Chinese is at least 30 years old. In a couple of decades, everything will be.

[Blackflag88]

No, it won’t, and it’s not a matter of time, after all, they also copied in the Union, including from the Americans, but they tried to take only the best and start doing their own sooner, China cannot do this. Let's take even the simplest AK-47 or 74, any African will tell you the difference between Soviet and Chinese and what an abyss there is in quality, I understand that you say it was a long time ago and a lot has changed, but I'm not sure. Chinese equipment is bought primarily for one reason - it is cheaper, but obviously not better. You can only buy from China, unless the UAV system is here, we are really lagging behind

[2 Level Advisor]

You are 15-20 years old with your theses that everything Chinese is consumer goods late ... if you are talking about AK, but you haven’t tried to compare the cost, maybe it was originally conceived as a cheap analogue, since making a complete analogue is stupid, they will buy all early Soviet at the same price? about engines ... in the case of an air battle, is it important how much more resource is left on the engine? and changing it at the base - they will replace it overnight - in fact, it does not interfere with combat readiness ..

Quote: Blackflag88

You can only buy from China, unless the UAV system is here, we are really lagging behind

You would read about their fleet, communications .. about the last tanks in the end .. AWACS aircraft, "flying" radars, space .. and then you would say that "they are about nothing" ... they overtook us almost everywhere, in some places flush and very few where, we are still ahead ..

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

First, in different countries there are areas of success and areas of failure. For example, the French make modern fighters, space rockets, nuclear submarines and similar high-tech. But they just don't get a good machine. Although it would seem. By the way, almost no one can do it at all. And the machine gun does not work. Both the United States and Britain also fail to get a machine gun. They use Belgian. Although in terms of the rest of Belgium's weapons to the USA-France-Britain as to the Moon.

Secondly, in terms of the resource of engines, we would not boast. If China is behind us, then we are behind America. And now what, give up and crawl to the cemetery?

Quote: Blackflag88

Get China the same sanctions as Russia, he would have hoarded for 6 months.

If China got the same sanctions as Russia, it would hoard for 6 months. Perhaps (from Russia, too, many expected a quick collapse). But the West would have hoarded together with him, chained with one chain. Because a lot of things from cast iron to iPhones come to the West from China, and organizing such production at home or in India is not a matter of six months, God forbid, if six years. And when people stand in long queues for any nail, the state ends quickly. We know an example. And the West is still easy (if you do not read our experts) to withstand the sanctions against Russia. Warm winter beat all our trump cards. And most importantly, Russia withstood the sanctions solely thanks to China. He reimbursed both exports and imports. By the way, I did not reimburse it completely, it is not clear how long we will last in the long term. But so far, China has been able to save Russia with one left (not only without breaking off trade with the West and generally having a solid benefit as a result). But Russia would never be able to save China. So it's the US and China players. And we had a chance to remain a spectator, but we preferred to become an instrument.

[kor1vet1974]

China needs us, as much as no more than that .. The West has already helped .. Remember in the 90s, and then it raced .. The West will help us ... yeah .. So it is with China.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Well, "foreign countries will help us," there were 12 more chairs, and it didn't appear out of nowhere.

[Bledar]

The West and China have completely different ideologies and views on the world order. They do not seek hegemony. So there is no need to row everything under the same brush.

[panzerfaust]

It would be better if they sent a million volunteers, stormtroopers.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

These are not units in a toy.
Kindly feed this million, place (not a crowd in one building!), Provide weapons, ammunition, medicine ...

[QuestionsNeudobny]

Where does such information come from? the impression is that such "analytical" materials are written by order. and then, in a blue eye, those who are supposed to according to the state department profile will use pop-like materials as a justification for the next sanctions

[bravo77]

And it doesn’t bother anyone that the second army of the world raked out warehouses in 1 year, let’s say local actions.
For 20 years, what happened to the army and the defense industry?
optimization against the backdrop of growing budgets?
we smile and wave with our friend Serdyukova Vasilyeva
but Shoigu has a larger staff of hearts

[Katya_Ivanova]

Doesn't it bother anyone that the first army of the world, after 20 years of war, lost to shepherds with guns?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

Doesn't it bother anyone that the first army of the world, after 20 years of war, lost to shepherds with guns?

What shepherds?

[whitebeard]

Where did she fail? On the contrary, she won: she sawed budgets for 20 years, together with an Iraqi company they sawed them under 6 trillion bachs, all the military-industrial complex workers became fabulously rich, and they never had any reason to develop all sorts of bantustans and make real democracy there;) Then, when it became too hot, reeled up the fishing rods and truncated)) The real (and not declared) goals of the UWB were fully achieved

[Sumotori_380]

There is an opinion that they, in anticipation of February 24.02, closed the Afghan topic - so as not to spread in different directions

[bravo77]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

If China understands the decision to conduct an operation similar to the NWO, but against Taiwan, then: it will deliver. The Russian Federation should have a free hand. True, before this, some (mutual) allied obligations will be required.

Xi just got re-elected
he has another 3-4 years to look at and increase his power.
will trade and accumulate power.
Taiwan itself can surrender, there are pro-Chinese forces there

[alexey_444]

The author is a little out of control. China has been supplying what we need for a long time and electronics (element base, thermal imagers, etc.) mechanics (drives, engines, etc.). No one will take any ready-made equipment from us, this is kirdyk for the sales of our weapons in the world, not to mention the funeral of design schools. Even Japan grows its own apples, subsidized so as not to be 100% dependent, it would seem that it’s terrible, you can live without apples. Yes, let it be poor (individual samples), but its own, not to mention why pay the Chinese when you can pay your own. The problem is not in the amount of equipment, but in money, the Chinese will not supply for free. But the main rumor promoted by the West about Chinese weapons, knowing that they will not be, then beat yourself in the chest how cool they are, that China got scared and did not put it up. The only thing we need is online weapon control systems, without failures, everywhere and not in places, but so far no one in China and in the world has such a system either, that is, there are no systems that work in real hostilities, even theoretical ones if there were no one will give it, that's obvious. Well, as usual, the maximalism of the authors, China urgently needs help, otherwise we will lose. Ours is going according to plan, yes we have desires, but when we come to the store we buy what we can buy. We do not have all the information, the author himself confirms that no one could imagine the flooding of the Moscow cruiser, but the elite knows. Are the soldiers dying? And how many people die at construction sites ?, this is not a reason not to build houses, or almost 20 thousand in accidents every year, almost like in their own time, and everyone is calm.

[Soldatov V.]

For me to take from the Chinese.
1. shells 152 mm in case of shell hunger with us. PMC "WAGNER" could easily agree with PMC "Gazpromneft" on account of gas supplies.
2.MLRS WS-3 \ WS-3D 400 mm range up to 400 km
3. Shells suitable for our "Smerch" 300 mm range 160 km.
4. Self-propelled guns on wheels SH1 105 mm at least one or two batteries for trial operation (do we need it)
5. Self-propelled guns on the ZTL-11 truck chassis are also in experimental use.
Self-propelled guns and MLRS are possible with calculations by volunteers.
The West uses everything in Ukraine, both old and new. And why are we shy, like a marriageable girl?

[kakvastam]

The probability is not only small, it is negligible. Who will risk helping someone who does not want to do anything himself?
It is not in vain that Ukrainians strive to demonstrate success in order to receive assistance.
Now, if our troops were allowed to fight, and not satisfied with "initiatives" and "gestures", one could dream. And with the existing leadership - it's not worth it.

[Katya_Ivanova]

China will never provide military assistance to Russia. It is strange that China did not join the sanctions at all. So why do you think a huge densely populated part of humanity has been in colonial dependence all its life on a miserable bunch of white masters? And everything is very simple. First, everyone loves glass beads and green papers. Second, they are incapable of forming alliances and military alliances. Thirdly, they are all too cowardly.

[gsev]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

Thirdly, they are all too cowardly.

During the Sino-Japanese war, Chinese soldiers were partially armed with swords alone, and with such weapons, the Chinese infantry managed to repulse Japanese attacks several times, withstanding artillery preparation and moving into short attacks in order to impose a fight on the Japanese with melee weapons and grenades. In Chinese units, 10 years before the first kamikaze, soldiers appeared armed with pouches with explosives with which they rushed at Japanese tanks. In the end, during the Korean War, the mechanized infantry fled from the Chinese infantry from the Yalu River to Seoul, and not the Chinese infantry ran in front of the US tanks. Already in 1979, the Chinese artillery showed a higher tactical level and training compared to the Vietnamese, although the Chinese had less experience in combat operations.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Abstracting from political issues and other things - if so, it will be very convenient to drive along the Trans-Siberian Railway.

[sdivt]

Quote: bayard

the mobilization of volunteers really began there.
And 800 thousand the day before yesterday - official information

Today, for them, this mobilization is just an action of their own cohesion.
Approximately, as we, in the Soviet years, collected petitions with millions of signatures in support of, say, Angela Davis
Let's just imagine the development of events. They will collect 800 thousand, or a million, or two - and then what? Will they plunge into transport workers and fly to fight with the USA?

[art having]

The author dreamed..
If you have agreed / agree on the supply of shells, it’s already excellent.

[olgherd]

The PLZ-07 self-propelled guns of 122 mm caliber have the greatest chances of getting into the NMD zone, the shells for firing from which are available from the RF Armed Forces.

Hm. And there are rumors that for six months now, as 122mm has simply not been in the troops, units armed with 122mm are actually fighting with mortars.

[Codett]

We need to restore our factories or build new ones, and not buy over the hill, we have a lot of good developments, but they don’t go into series because of the high cost, unfortunately they save on our soldiers by supplying cardboard tarantasses to the troops instead of modern well-protected equipment, and modern we have for the parade, as for the Chinese, even if they take a chance and supply us with their modern equipment, the price will be high, spare parts will be needed, and even crews and technicians will need to be trained, it will be cheaper to put armature with a Kurgan and a coalition into the end of the series .

[boris ivanov]

relying on China is more expensive for yourself. just a situational partner .. on a short shoulder.

[igorra]

China does not and never will have steel eggs, like the USSR. Who can come and practically at their own expense create an industry, an army, and even forgot, before that, having freed them from the conquerors? Something our ancestors did not pay attention to real politics, they gave tinsel left and right. I understand that the rendered "service" is worthless, but the debt of life hangs for China, like for many others. Maybe this is one of the reasons why they don’t like us so much, no one likes to repay debts.

[whitebeard]

So China, in fact, owes nothing to the USSR, because all the Soviet assistance that the USSR provided to Maoist China, Mao himself basically blew through all his "Great Leaps", and even then he himself refused to use Soviet specialists in assistance to the national economy. And after the catastrophic results of Mao's rule, Big Deng had no other choice but to cooperate with the West, because then the economy of the USSR itself was already in full "economical".
Of course, we also helped the CCP with purely military special assistance and weapons during its struggle for power with the Kuomintang and in the war with Yapia, but this is a purely situational thing, then the United States helped China very actively, however, the Kuomintang, and not the CCP, but this was a natural division of aid between situational allies against Japan. No one ever pays for such assistance, because it is assumed that you supply weapons, and we shed blood instead of you using these weapons, otherwise the USSR would have had to fight with Yapia much earlier than 1945.
In general, if China owes us, then for the transfer of atomic secrets to it, but China also considers this as natural assistance to a commie ally, i.e. he believes that the USSR did what it SHOULD have done.
So the Russian Federation will not be able to "force" China to gratitude

[Deon59]

Xi flies to Moscow and the zombie box is so torn, he thinks that his arrival can change anything.

[whitebeard]

Boxosaurs always like to milk out deep meanings from symbolic gestures, this is their job;) And not only from our side, the other is doing exactly the same)) In a word, a typical manifestation of SPGS

[Comrade Kim]

Comrade Xi flew to Moscow!
Grandpa Biden, made one last attempt - his pocket court issued an arrest warrant for our Leader.
This trick was directed at China.
The message for Comrade Xi indicated: “cancel the visit, you can’t go to negotiate with the“ criminal ”.
But Comrade Xi did not let us down, flew to Moscow!

The world markets reacted immediately.
The price of gold (Au) is growing, at the moment it is already worth $ 1980 per ounce, bitcoin (BTC) is not far behind in the growth rate and $ 28125.

The financial world is the quickest to understand what will happen after the meeting between Putin and Xi Jinping.

[ugos]

Absolutely nothing will happen, it was an ordinary courtesy visit, as it is customary for all rulers, to make the first visit to the most friendly country.
No contracts are planned to be signed, and urgent problems can be solved by phone.
Well, maybe a little annoy the West.

[Cetarb kilk]

It is precisely in the supply of artillery that there is the greatest meaning. And the motivation for refusal due to its quantity with us is more than a mistake ...

[Cetarb kilk]

Forgot about the UAV? They are also an absolute necessity.

[certero]

For us, the supply of guns or salvo fire systems is absolutely uncritical.
From China, we need components to build drones and drones. And we still have enough tanks and guns in Russia

[depressant]

Well, I'll add to the end.
"China helps Russia in NWO? Definitely yes. But with exactly the same zeal it helps Ukraine. According to my sources, quite recently one of the Chinese electronics factories sold Ukraine 29 thousand (!) Controllers used in the construction of FPV kamikaze drones. And it's just one factory, money doesn't smell, and soon this swarm of drones will be used against us.

When two tigers fight, a monkey sits in a tree (c) ancient Chinese wisdom.

And we are once again convinced that Russia's allies are its army and navy.

[Roman Efremov]

Quote: Blackflag88

Why can't they replicate our aircraft engines? They buy them from us, and the same engines that they themselves created or copied have a resource 2 times less, so why?

And not only aircraft engines! In the best and latest Chinese Type-99 tank, the engine is a copy of the German one, the gun is a copy of our Soviet one, the guided missile was bought from us, the depleted uranium BOPS is Israeli. Dynamic protection is either a copy of ours, or the same Israel helped. MSA - I don’t know, but probably also a copy.
And when someone wrote above that China would not sell Type-99 to us so that we would not study it, it became funny to me. Yes, he won’t sell it - so as not to show the whole world how Chinese tanks are burning.

[Fangaro]

Now there are no countries left that can be completely independent of cooperation with other countries. This means that either politicians will again learn to find a compromise, or the confrontation will continue. This applies to us, and China, and the United States and in general all countries.
Relatively speaking, if some country has drops of immortality, for which personnel oil is needed, and the cedar has not grown before and the planted one dries up, it is better to go to a neighbor's arborist than to continue to die.
It's very figurative. But China will seek benefits for its Chinese, and not for a Russian victory in Ukraine, or for a principled confrontation with the United States, to the detriment of the Chinese.
As many have already commented, the interests of one's country are higher than the interests of other countries.

[blackGRAIL]

The probability is not small, it is negative. China is absolutely not ready for a tough confrontation with the United States and will avoid it to the last (until the United States themselves launch it).

[Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev]

Biden's nervous reaction to the increased integration of Russia and China indicates that Russia and China are on the right track. China's support for Russia could be the main stabilizing factor in the world. Eg. What is Poland's support for Bandera's power in Ukraine and China's support for Russia? This is the yelping of a pug in response to the powerful tread of an elephant. The US, EU and NATO, against the backdrop of China's support for Russia, having seen and realized the futility of their attempts in Ukraine, realize the stupidity and senselessness of their gigantic spending on Ukraine. On the other hand, China, with its help to Russia, can demoralize the entire Biden gang. It will not be difficult for China to provide humanitarian assistance in the amount of about $ 2 billion to citizens in new regions of Russia who suffered from the aggression of Ukrainian fascists. For China, it will not be any problem to supply shells, tanks, drones, air defense systems and other weapons for the Russian Armed Forces. Any country is interested in testing its weapons in real combat conditions. Previously, China may, as a gesture of reconciliation, call on Ukraine, the United States and NATO to stop hostilities in Ukraine. Biden and his vassals will certainly refuse to do so. Then China has a full moral right to support an alternative side in the face of Russia in order to achieve peace in Ukraine. The main thing will be that China's help to Russia will literally become a demoralizing factor for the US and NATO, because the military power of Russia and China is much greater than all the trinkets of the US and NATO!!!!

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev

The US, EU and NATO, against the backdrop of China's support for Russia, having seen and realized the futility of their attempts in Ukraine, realize the stupidity and senselessness of their gigantic spending on Ukraine.

That is, gigantic expenses on their part, but it is pointless. And China has not yet spent a penny on "support for Russia" (it only profited from us unmeasured), but this type should scare everyone.

Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev

On the other hand, China, with its help to Russia, can demoralize the entire Biden gang. It will not be difficult for China to provide humanitarian assistance in the amount of about $ 2 billion to citizens in new regions of Russia who suffered from the aggression of Ukrainian fascists.

Only if he knows that he will earn 6 billion on this. In 2014-2021, Chinese business deftly worked both in Ukraine and in the LDNR.

Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev

Then China has a full moral right to support an alternative side in the face of Russia in order to achieve peace in Ukraine.

Chinese morality certainly does not include support for the right of regions to self-determination and revision of UN-recognized borders, especially with outside help. Because he himself Taiwan, Hong Kong, Uighuria and Tibet immediately itch. In this regard, China is just one of the few states in the world with a logical and consistent position - it does not recognize any Kosovo, Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, Catalonia, LDNR, and so on.

Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev

The main thing will be that China's help to Russia will literally become a demoralizing factor for the US and NATO, because the military power of Russia and China is much greater than all the trinkets of the US and NATO!!!!

Can we somehow cope with these pitiful useless trinkets of the USA and NATO without China?

[Pavel57]

Tanks are interesting only for their running in battle. But the really interesting thing is warships. Finalize Chinese projects for domestic weapons, and quickly saturate the fleets with them.
Historically, the examples of Varyag and Tashkent will help us.

[Maks1995]

It looks like another noodle.
1) China continues to trade with USA and NATO stronger than with us.
he resells our resources to them with pleasure
2) China has repeatedly declared its commitment to peace, settlement, etc.
Immediately to violate their own statements is a loss of face.
3) As has been repeatedly written, China does not even give loans to Russia. Only the exchange of resources for "beads of the 21st century."

Deliveries to the NWO zone ??? It looks like another "Wishlist" when "something went wrong."

By the way, upon arriving, their chief immediately declared his commitment to peace, a peaceful settlement, respect for sovereignty and other "nothing"

[Zaurbek]

China has a clear example - the EU (they are the main trading partner and competitor and friend of the United States). What the US has done is they have taken control of their politicians, finances, trade routes and...recently raw materials and energy. All. The EU itself will not be able to sell anything to anyone. China is waiting too ... from the sea, China is vulnerable, the border with us is the only border not controlled by the United States. For us too. The Russian Federation is a large country - which means independent access to other countries.

[Arslan Ali]

There is another reason why it is better for China to be friends with our country than to be at enmity - Russia has a unique centuries-old experience of conducting military operations against Western countries and achieving victory over them.
What experience? Crimean War with the siege of Sevastopol, Civil?
Or the participation of a few in Korea, Vietnam, the victory of the USSR in
World War II, when the nuclear triad did not exist, may come in handy in the 2st century in the current realities.
Or does the whole world remember the victories over the Swedish, German knights?
PS Also highlighted in bold.

[Scott evans]

Quote: Essex62

I don’t know anything about plans and can’t know. It looks very convincing, in words. It is possible that the West really disliked the wrestlers very much and most likely wants to replace ... but is that really the point? Conditional Hodor or Abramovich, no difference. The capitalist is always a patriot, only his own are powerful and there is no other way. To strain and force what to give for the war, hucksters from the losing clans, of course, they can and can squeeze. Here you are on point. But personally, I’m interested in another point, why, having lifted the retirement period, they didn’t provide me with the opportunity to finalize it.? Where I live, and not somewhere where, it seems, there are places. However, I know the answer to this question myself. Why are we fooling around for a year, although we have carried out the "hit first"? Why did they hand over the regions the next day after they were accepted. Why are volunteers and simply caring citizens engaged in supplying the army? Why did they rush from the database of contractors to my hard-earned people?
About the collapse of their financial system, not funny at all. And there is no hysteria there. Those who really drive all this in cold blood finish off the Russian People, practically without incurring any losses. There is a lot of paper, the machine works. And even if this leads to some kind of crisis in the states, they will not itch. It doesn't concern them. They didn't care about the Montana farmer. They bent the planet after 91-93 and are now invincible. They will transport the machine to Australia and that's it. They have bases all over the planet, just for that. The power component is quickly transferred. Although I don’t believe in the possibility of a big buzz in the US, so that to a critical point.

It is immediately obvious that you are a person far from saving, and by the way, I keep you informed that Russia also has a printing press, but it seems to me that it makes no sense for you to decriminalize how capitalism works.

[Zaurbek]

China, quite safely for itself, can sell equipment, components, engines, civilian electronics and turn a blind eye to its further use. It can share information from satellites ...... As far as I understand, the main problem in hitting targets is poor reconnaissance and untimely command and control for strike systems. Especially for the defeat in the depths of the territory 404.
And for example, in the production of some kind of MCI in the Russian Federation, the main problem can only be in the production of internal combustion engines or boxes ... or a lack of some kind of machine tools. The Vichai plant is located in Belarus ... it makes the whole range of Diesel engines up to 500 hp. And finished products can generally be supplied by Belarus.

[Kostadinov]

If today someone is capable of riveting a million cheap impact drones like Geranium, this is China.
No air defense is capable of protecting against such a blow.

[Postcode]

China not only can, but also really wants to supply weapons to the NMD zone. In any case, like Iran, China needs large-scale combat tests, both weapons in general and components. At the highest level, there are agreements on the exchange of national experience in the field of armaments and we are ready to go for it, to conditionally sell some "know-how" for hundreds of thousands of ammunition, hundreds of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, this will be much faster and cheaper for us, we need a war win as quickly as possible. Our economy, unfortunately, will not survive a protracted war. And the achievement of the political and economic goals of this clash is possible only after a certain military success. If we advance on Avdiivka for another half a year and continue at the same pace, by the beginning of 2024 we will become uninteresting to China, including. They make friends with the strong, it is not profitable and not interesting to be friends with the weak.

[km-21]

To understand the true meaning of Avdiivka (Artemivsk, Maryinka, Vuhledar... and the list goes on), one must forget about Ukraine and understand that it is not Ukraine that is fighting against Russia, but the United States and NATO. Therefore, all military operations are planned and provided not by Kiev but by Washington. Accordingly, the weight of these operations is much higher than the disparaging assessment that is imposed by not quite adequate commentators.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: km-21

understand that it is not Ukraine that is fighting against Russia, but the United States and NATO.

Why hasn't Kaliningrad been taken yet?

[km-21]

China is a country that strictly adheres to the strategy of realpolitik (real politics). If it is profitable for China - it will support Russia, the military, political and / or economic situation will change - and China may well change its position to the diametrically opposite one.

This is an oversimplified point of view. Currently, China has no freedom of choice and is doomed to an alliance with Russia for at least the coming years until the crisis between Russia and the West is resolved. China categorically disagrees with US hegemony, but it cannot resist it alone. Therefore, the victory of the United States over Russia will absolutely not suit him, since in this case he will be left face to face with the United States and will be doomed to defeat. And in conjunction with Russia, China has every chance to maintain its independence and the possibility of further strengthening it.

It is possible that over time it will get stronger enough to allow it to claim hegemony along the lines of the current US. In this case, Russia will be able to cooperate with the US (or other allies) against the new hegemon. This situationality will keep the world going until one of the centers of power gains a decisive advantage.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: km-21

China categorically disagrees with US hegemony, but it will not be able to resist it alone.

The Democratic Party at one time was ready to divide the hegemony. Not even to share, but to jointly exploit. "Chimerika", if anyone remembers. Many influential forces in China (from the school of Deng, in particular, the recently ostentatiously humiliated Hu Jintao) were not against it. But Xi and his team arrogantly refused.

[Moonsund]

The best help would be not direct. New enterprises are needed, and from the Chinese comrades, machine tools and other means of production. And, of course, the electronic component is necessary. We have a problem with the element base. And collect and develop your own. Otherwise we'll get stuck again

[Bayun]

I won’t be surprised if it turns out that the United States and the Russian Federation are playing “world bridge” on one foot ...

Like it or not, the fact is that any 2 of the three countries (PRC-RF-USA) are able to impose their "twice correct" idea of ​​the world on one ...

PS: Physicists, they say, have not solved the problem of "three bodies" yet. Let's see what the politicians come up with. Think "for three" - it would be ideal.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Zaurbek

China, quite safely for itself, can sell equipment, components, engines, civilian electronics and turn a blind eye to its further use. Can share information from satellites......

Why not?

Israel successfully supplies Ukroreich with shells (155mm), intelligence, analytics, and sends instructors-professional military (IDF).
And at the same time, it remains a country friendly to Russia.
The main thing is not directly.

If a shell or an impact UAV with the inscription "Made in Israel" takes the life of at least a whole group of kindergarteners in the Donbass, this will not affect the relationship between Israel and the Russian Federation in any way.
So comrades from China can supply us, through third countries, with everything that our Defense Ministry requests.
China will not suffer from this.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

its integral part is Taiwan

But isn’t it the people of Taiwan who should decide whether they are an integral part or an integral part, whether they want to live in China or not? The peoples of Crimea, LDPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions have made their choice, why are the Taiwanese worse? They have had nothing in common with mainland China for 130 years, they get along just fine without it, they have differences in religion (most Chinese are non-religious, and the Taiwanese are Buddhists and Taoists), language (overcome in oral, strong in written), culture, ideology and business ethics (I dealt with both, the difference is not in favor of the continentals). What can China give them? The Great Firewall and Social Rating? This is the same as considering the USA in 1910 to be an “integral part” of Britain.

[runway-1]

No matter how weak our country is, it can become a powerful ally for China

This is some kind of oxymoron!

This material provides a far from complete list of Chinese-made weapons that could potentially be useful to the RF Armed Forces.
Is there even a possibility that China will supply Russia with weapons for use in the NVO zone?

At the same time, the article says that China their interests! And they consist in huge economic ties with the collective West (including in comparison with ties with Russia), which the PRC leadership is not going to break. At the same time, there are certain political/economic/military contradictions with the EU and especially with the USA, but China is not interested in aggravating them, especially by supplying us with weapons. In addition, they would clearly contradict the peace proposals of the Chinese leadership!
Thus, the desires of the authors of articles and comments are one thing, but reality is another...

[wlshushi]

Quote: Essex62

I repeat. You are an impenetrable optimist. Wait and see. But some points should not be cited as arguments. About terrorist attacks and pension, for example. Or an unfounded statement about punish / retribution. This Union could. China is not our friend, it's a fellow traveler. They used our unlimited help, and then they armed the spirits in Afghanistan and generally crap where they could.

The Russians are in no position to complain about Chinese aid to Afghanistan.

When China was at war with India, the Soviet Union supplied India with weapons.

When China was at war with Vietnam, the Soviet Union supplied it with weapons.

Therefore, when war broke out between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, it made sense for China to supply weapons to Afghanistan. It was fair.

[wlshushi]

Quote: depressant

Well, I'll add to the end.
"China helps Russia in NWO? Definitely yes. But with exactly the same zeal it helps Ukraine. According to my sources, quite recently one of the Chinese electronics factories sold Ukraine 29 thousand (!) Controllers used in the construction of FPV kamikaze drones. And it's just one factory, money doesn't smell, and soon this swarm of drones will be used against us.

When two tigers fight, a monkey sits in a tree (c) ancient Chinese wisdom.

And we are once again convinced that Russia's allies are its army and navy.

This civilian drone could also be purchased by Russia in large quantities from China.

[wlshushi]

Quote: km-21

China is a country that strictly adheres to the strategy of realpolitik (real politics). If it is profitable for China - it will support Russia, the military, political and / or economic situation will change - and China may well change its position to the diametrically opposite one.

This is an oversimplified point of view. Currently, China has no freedom of choice and is doomed to an alliance with Russia for at least the coming years until the crisis between Russia and the West is resolved. China categorically disagrees with US hegemony, but it cannot resist it alone. Therefore, the victory of the United States over Russia will absolutely not suit him, since in this case he will be left face to face with the United States and will be doomed to defeat. And in conjunction with Russia, China has every chance to maintain its independence and the possibility of further strengthening it.

It is possible that over time it will get stronger enough to allow it to claim hegemony along the lines of the current US. In this case, Russia will be able to cooperate with the US (or other allies) against the new hegemon. This situationality will keep the world going until one of the centers of power gains a decisive advantage.

As a Chinese, my personal opinion is the same as yours.

As China grows stronger, Russia will eventually become friends with the United States.

[SHOPPING MALL]

From the telegram channel of Mikhail Onufrienko:

Chinese ambush regiment

“China wants to help Russia with weapons that will be used during a special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine.” - US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in an interview with CBS back in February.

American permanent representative to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield warned that Chinese arms supplies to Russia are unacceptable and if they do begin, they will become a “red line.”
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham spoke even more categorically. He compared Russian military support to buying a ticket to the Titanic and predicted “catastrophic” consequences for US-China relations. "Do not do that. This will change everything forever,” ABCNews quoted Graham as saying.

It's creepy, isn't it? I just see a standard shot of a Hollywood Western, the main character holding his palm a centimeter from the handle of a Colt and his voice clanging like carriage couplers at a junction station:
"Don't do this! You'll regret it!..."

But either old Joe with his flying gait was not as convincing this time as the hero of the famous actor Ronald Reagan, or his team reminded the Chinese more of the cartoon "Kung Fu Panda" than a brutal cowboy action movie, but only a growl from " Dragon Cave" did not at all resemble traditional Chinese diplomatic lace:

During the meeting with Blinken, Wang Yi promised that China does not intend to give in to Washington’s pressure and its attempts to influence Russian-Chinese relations. “We will never accept US instructions or even threats to put pressure on Russia-China relations,” Wang said.
In a word, after a short memorial service, the parties recorded a significant difference of opinion on this issue. And at this time...

“Already on February 26, almost a month before the statement by the Chinese Ministry of Defense, some Chinese resources, citing the publication of military expert Zhu Shufang, claimed that China had already begun preparing PLZ-05 self-propelled howitzers and AR1A multiple launch rocket systems for the New European Year. sending to Russia.
At the PLA's largest weapons depot in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, the Chinese military has begun to remove some types of cannon and rocket artillery from storage in large quantities. They bring the reactivated reserve artillery systems to a combat state and allegedly prepare them for subsequent transfer to Russian colleagues. This was announced by Chinese military analyst Zhu Shufang, citing his sources.
We are talking about PLZ-05 self-propelled howitzers of 152 mm caliber - analogues of the Soviet/Russian 2S19 "Msta-S", as well as AR1A MLRS - analogues of 9K59 "Smerch" of 300 mm caliber. The expert also clarified that high-ranking military personnel from Russia allegedly came to the mentioned province of China before this."

There is something to be despondent about for the descendants of pirates of the Caribbean and the rednecks from apricot-peach Georgia. One thing to do is to inform the gullible vassals about the exhaustion of the granaries of “unknown Russia.” It’s quite another to convince them of the weakness of the Chinese military-industrial complex, the size of which is discussed below.

And here is the final chord:
“The Chinese army is ready to cooperate with the Russian army to further strengthen strategic communication and coordination,” Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman Tan Kefei said at a briefing on Thursday. “and is ready to make every effort to fully implement the consensus reached by the leaders of the two states to further strengthen strategic coordination and communication.”
“The Chinese army is ready to support regional peace and security together with the Russian army,” the Chinese defense ministry added...

From this moment on, the time for kick-ass stories begins (should begin), through which Biden and Co. must somehow convince their vassals that not only Russia, but also China will run out of ammunition, shells, and missiles any day now. Looking at lively Joe, I can’t even imagine how they are going to do this.

[SHOPPING MALL]

From the telegram channel of Mikhail Onufrienko:

How can China's military-industrial complex help Russia?
(based on a statement by the Minister of Defense of the People's Republic of China)

Absolutely compatible and understandable products for the security forces of the Russian Federation are replicas of Soviet guns:
For example, the Type 66 is a 152 mm towed artillery unit used by the modern Chinese army and based on the Soviet D-20 series systems 
The Type 59 is a Chinese licensed copy of the successful Soviet 130mm M-46 gun. It is produced by the Chinese company NORINCO.

There are analogues in China of our 122-mm howitzer D-30, as well as self-propelled guns PLZ-07 of 122 mm caliber in the amount of as many as 550 units, shells for firing from which are available in the Russian Armed Forces.

Naturally, China has left not only a huge fleet of artillery systems with a caliber of 122-152 mm, but also ammunition compatible with Soviet and Russian ones.”

I personally like the Chinese 82mm and 120mm mortars mounted on 4x4 MRAP/off-road SUVs manufactured by Dongfeng Motor Group. Fast, unobtrusive, compact and, most importantly, comfortable for calculations.

An analogue of domestic infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) and armored personnel carriers (APCs) is the Chinese Type 04 infantry fighting vehicle (ZBD-04), and its turret is actually a licensed copy of its Russian counterpart. About 04 ZBD-04/ZBD-2A infantry fighting vehicles were produced in China.

Also in China, the BMP ZBL-08 (export version of the VN1) is produced. This machine is actually an armored personnel carrier, conceptually it is close to the Russian BTR-82. A total of 3 ZBL-150 infantry fighting vehicles were produced, 08 more ZSL-900 armored personnel carriers were produced - modifications with a heavy machine gun instead of a 10-mm cannon, as well as 30 units of ZTL-1 fire support combat vehicles (ST250 export version), armed with a 11-mm cannon .

Of course, the Russian military is interested in the latest artillery developments by Chinese gunsmiths.

For example, the 155-mm self-propelled howitzer PLZ-05, which is currently in service with the ground artillery units of the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA). Its development started in the mid-nineties of the last century, and the first sample was demonstrated in 2003.

According to media reports, the PLA currently has about 300 of these howitzers in service. Externally (and internally in terms of a number of units), the Chinese self-propelled gun copies the Russian 2S19 Msta-S, but surpasses the Russian analogue in terms of total combat qualities.

Thus, the firing range of a high-explosive fragmentation projectile is 30 km, ammunition with a bottom gas generator is up to 39 km, and an active-reactive projectile is up to 53 km. It is possible to use a controlled charge, which is a copy of the Russian Krasnopol, for a range of 3 to 20 km.
Or, for example, the 300-mm multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) AR1A, which is in service with the PLA missile and artillery units. It entered service in 2009 and has now become widespread. Interestingly, the AR1A is, so to speak, a “variant” of the Russian heavy MLRS 9K58 “Smerch”.

The Splav company, which produces this vehicle, acted as a developer of missiles for Chinese technology, offering a set of ammunition that provides solutions to basic fire missions at ranges of 60–130 km, with the Tornado-S having a range of 120 kilometers.. Currently, these ammunitions , like the system itself, have been significantly improved by Chinese specialists. As a result, a weapon appeared that was superior in its combat characteristics to its “ancestor” - the Russian Smerch MLRS, which was actively used during the Northern Military District in Ukraine.

But there is also the PHL-03 MLRS, which is compatible in ammunition with the Smerch MLRS, but with a range of already 160 km. For the PLA, 175 of them were produced, and about 40 more vehicles were exported.

[Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev]

Let's start from the beginning. Let's just start a close dialogue with the leadership of the PRC, ask the PRC to provide humanitarian assistance to millions of civilians who were victims of Bandera's aggression.