British experts were afraid of the complete destruction of London by the Poseidon torpedo in the event of a conflict with Russia

The decision of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to adopt the Naval fleet the latest Poseidon nuclear torpedoes forced British military experts to simulate the destruction if the island were to be struck.

According to the British tabloid Daily Mail, according to Western analysts, the Poseidon nuclear torpedo is capable of carrying a charge twice the nuclear Tsar Bomba tested by the USSR in 1961.

British experts suggest that if the Russian army launches Poseidon from a Doomsday submarine and it explodes at the mouth of the River Thames, the radioactive wave that arose after the explosion will completely destroy London.

According to an expert from King's College Rod Thornton, an unmanned nuclear vehicle is capable of completely destroying any metropolitan areas located near the site of the explosion, such as London or New York.

James Black, assistant director of security for the European branch of the American analytical organization RAND, also clarifies that the Poseidon torpedo can move underwater for a very long time, remaining unnoticed, which deprives NATO countries of any certainty in matters of defense planning.

"Poseidons" capable of hitting various types of targets, including aircraft carrier groups and coastal fortifications, are supposed to be installed on multi-purpose nuclear submarines of the Belgorod and Khabarovsk classes, the characteristics of which are classified.

Comments

[Boniface]

if "Poseidon" really "drops in" - all the British Isles will go to the bottom!

[Myths]

How did Bogdan Titomir sing there? London goodbye ...., London goodbye ... no guys just along with the whole island.

[krot]

What, what, and London and all of Britain should definitely bang with Poseidon. And to say that these are unsuccessful experiments of British scientists ..
PS I hate the Anglo-Saxons!

[fif21]

Quote: krot

What, what, and London and all of Britain should definitely bang with Poseidon

" Посейдон" не для них ! Хватит двух "Ярсов" и не только Лондону , а всему острову .

[Boa kaa]

Quote: fif21

"Poseidon" is not for them! Enough of two "Yars" and not only London, but the whole island.

Not two, but six!
The Americans, modeling the beginning of TMV, by the way, drew 6 trajectories of our ICBMs along Foggy Albion ... They say that was enough ...
AHA.

[skeptic]

Quote from ivan_nkl

What, what, and London and all of Britain should definitely bang with Poseidon.

Mulya Macaroni wants it too. The troops decided to train on amphibious assault to the Crimea. If along the English Channel, then both on "earrings" ...

[dauria]

What, what, and London and all of Britain should definitely bang with Poseidon.

"Poseidon" is the most mediocre use of a nuclear charge.
Первое - он доползёт до первого сетевого заграждения на мелководье и застрянет. Пусть даже "рванёт" - толку ? Эффективнее надземного ( 200 метров высоты ) ничего не придумано по наземным целям. А подводный мелководный - ударная волна ослаблена , светового поражения нет - нет и пожаров . Получится радиоактивный столб воды и пара , не более . Ну, выпадет дождь радиоактивной водички . Даже с пылью научились бороться . Выбросит пароходики и яхты - флот всё равно уйдёт в море при начале " шухера " .
An adventurous undertaking, otherwise it would have been in service with everyone for a long time. Anti-ship torpedoes are one thing. But what the hell is that. Plus, it's never been tested. Why did they suddenly get that it's a supertsunami? For a real tsunami, the energy of a thousand bombs is needed (an earthquake).

[Alien From]

Well, they like to dream up with us, they love

[dauria]

Well, they like to dream up with us, they love

So after all, it would be fine for free, but these fantasies are for the people's money. Yes, they will come out sideways. Straight Günter Prien on U-47 breaks into Scapa Flow. So then there were no smart self-propelled mines and anti-torpedoes. And now there is. And they will lie and meet all the Poseidons.

[SARMAT123]

Moreover, no one in London will bang. Since those who rule the world live there

[Quote Lavrov]

The Americans once conducted similar nuclear tests.
But the question is the power of the charge. I read in some sources that it can carry up to 100 megatons.
And here it is already difficult to imagine what the consequences may be. It is clear that no Britain will be washed away, but if you take the AUG or naval bases, then I don’t even know ....

[Derbes19]

How will he aim at the AUG.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: dauria

First, he will crawl to the first net fence in shallow water and get stuck. Even if it "explodes" - what's the point?

according to your logic, planes are completely useless, if you throw him into a swamp, he will get stuck there tightly and won’t take off anywhere. but excuse me, what for throwing a plane into swamps ??? and what for drive Poseidon in shallow water ??? the idea is actually to create a wave 30-50 meters high in order to wash away everything nafig and leave a gift in the form of radioactive fallout. I’m just curious how you were going to create a tsunami with an explosion in shallow water?

[LMN]

Even if it "explodes" - what's the point? Nothing more effective than above-ground (200 meters in height) has been invented for ground targets.

But someone Sakharov has a different opinion ..

Of course, it’s useless to argue with you who you are and who Sakharov is, ..

[dauria]

Of course, it’s useless to argue with you who you are and who Sakharov is, ..

Well, Sakharov did not count on anything like that. Surprised?
Remember Andrei from Chelyabinsk, a highly respected and technically competent author of the Military Review?
Here is his article.
About mega-tsunami, academician Sakharov and Putin's super-weapon
July 25 2018
https://topwar.ru/144685-o-megacunami-akademike-a-n-saharove-i-superoruzhii-putina.html

Check it out. Just about "Poseidon", a fable about Sakharov and a bunch of doubts. At the same time, you will understand how the level of articles on VO has fallen in just 5 years.

[dik-nsk]

there is another question, but do we have this vigorous loaf? a lot of analytics is freely available, that the old is already out of order, and no one has been producing the new for a long time .. so the "partners" are probing us, constantly shifting the red lines ..

[krot]

But someone Sakharov has a different opinion .. what

Of course, it’s useless to argue with you who you are and who Sakharov is, ..

Like they took it off the tongue. And yet, British scientists have found that the smartest are housewives, plumbers and locksmiths ..))

[dauria]

that the smartest are housewives, plumbers and locksmiths.

Tfu you, yes, you at least read ... This FABLE about Sakharov, he could not brecze such a heresy. And no one seriously engaged in such ridiculous idiotic nonsense. What tsunami?
There was simply nothing to deliver those 22 kt firecrackers. There are no missiles, and the Tu-4 has zero chances.
They came up with a super torpedo - a huge pipe in the nose of a Komsomol member. So the sailors twirled their fingers at their temples, and things didn't go beyond conversations in the smoking-room. (if there was a conversation at all)
And then Korolev brought to mind his seven ICBMs. And the question disappeared by itself. The Tsar bomb was created generally later. But with its size, it was unthinkable to shove it somewhere.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: dauria

no one seriously engaged in such ridiculous idiotic nonsense. What tsunami?

You are not right. It was not our idea at all!

The Americans were the first to come up with such a project. They saw it as an alternative to atomic weapons. The first person to think of using the tsunami as a weapon was Thomas Leach, a professor at New Zealand's Auckland University. It was the Seal project, which had a difficult fate: at first the project seemed to stall and was only revived in early 1958. His Yankees were officially declassified only in 1999. And in 1944-1945 they conducted experiments in the area of ​​New Zealand. Then it was possible to create 10-meter tsunami waves. They did not have enough imagination for more. What can not be said about our nuclear physicists.
В 1952г Сахаров предложил Л.П. Берии проект, по которому нужно было всего 4 ЯБП -- по 2 на Атлантическое и ТО побережье США. При подрыве зарядов высота волны получалась до 300 метров.( В среднем, высота волн при природных цунами колеблется от 8 до 20 метров.)
Such a wave from the Atlantic Ocean would demolish New York, Washington, Philadelphia, Boston, Miami and a dozen other major centers.
San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Diego and other megacities would have fallen from the Pacific Ocean under the onslaught of the waves.

Quote: dauria

They came up with a super torpedo - a huge pipe in the nose of a Komsomol member. So the sailors twirled their fingers at their temples, and things didn't go beyond conversations in the smoking-room.

First, the
The T-15 torpedo was made. She was supposed to carry the SBP (T-15 super torpedo, caliber 1550 mm and more than 23 meters long. Its power was 6 times higher than the power of the "Kid" dropped on Hiroshima.)
Second, the

For many years, the Sakharov torpedo was mistakenly perceived as a means to cause a huge wave, but in fact, another scientist, Soviet academician, mathematician Mikhail Lavrentiev, was the author of imposing punishment on the US coast on a biblical scale. Lavrentiev's nuclear torpedo was not supposed to destroy infrastructure with a direct explosion. Academician's suggestion: - simulate an earthquake in the sea with the help of an explosion of 100 megatons of a thermonuclear charge.
Lavrentiev's calculation was simple - after a deep blast, a wave at least 20 meters high would move to the US coastline. However, the main destroyer of the shores of a potential enemy was not the height, but the wavelength. And if two megatons could easily wash away a couple of the first lines near the ocean, then a charge of 100 megatons would guarantee the penetration of huge masses of water.
In addition, according to Lavrentyev’s project, a “Fukushima” scenario was being prepared for the United States - when, after an explosion at a depth, part of the coastline would “sag” by 1-2 meters, which would increase the effect of the destructive impact of the elements. Taking into account the 100Mt power of the charge, the height and wavelength, the shift in the height of the coastline, the military and scientists expected to achieve a 30-kilometer penetration depth already at the first stage.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: dauria

At the same time, you will understand how the level of articles on VO has fallen in just 5 years.

And not just the level. During my time at VO, the site changed the format three times, and each time the format got worse and worse. Who and why needed to change the format? Maybe there is some secret meaning in this, unknown to us, I don’t know. But the format and operation of the site is not at all in an arc. The news, which is already irrelevant the very next day, "hangs" on the site for a week, and polemical articles are removed the next day. True, they return after some time, but, as they say, the fuse of controversy has already disappeared.
About the bell, or rather its absence, I generally keep quiet, because it's useless.

[Eliminator]

“The seismic energy released from an underground nuclear explosion with a power of 1 megaton (4,184 1015 J) is equivalent to an earthquake with a magnitude of about 6.” Fukushima had about 9 points. Let's, if we discuss, then with numbers, it's more interesting. )

[LMN]

Seismic energy released during an underground nuclear explosion with a power of 1 megaton (4,184 1015 J)

Where does infa come from?

[Derbes19]

Из потолка эта цифра. При землетрясениях высвобождается энергия по сравнению с которой одновременный взрыв всех существующих ядерных зарядов так мелочь. Вопрос к сектантам "Посейдона". Как вы планируете его испытывать и как принимать на вооружение неиспытанный образец вооружения?

[Eliminator]

Nikolai Vladimirovich Koronovsky. General geology. - Book house "University", 2016.
I can, of course, look for work, ask around our IMGiG sheep, but, honestly, I'm too lazy.

[Eliminator]

Nikolai Vladimirovich Koronovsky. General geology. - Book house "University", 2016.
I can, of course, look for work, ask around our IMGiG sheep, but, honestly, I'm too lazy.

[Sumotori_380]

From Wiki. The next sentence of this Wiki article states that even in the event of an explosion of a charge deeply embedded in rocks, no more than one percent of the energy of the explosion passes into seismic vibrations.

[Derbes19]

One percent is still very, very much. Usually hundredths of a percent.

[Derbes19]

Хорошо давайте дискутировать только с цифрами. Магнитуда землетрясения произошедшего в Тихом океане в 2004 году составила от 9 до 9.3 баллов. Энергия высвободившаяся при землетрясении оценена примерно в 2 эксаджоуля (2* 10*18 Дж.), что примерно равно 500 мегатоннам в ТЭ. Геология не математика, посчтитал энергию и получил амплитуду. Хотя может сейчас ее так и преподают..... Тогда все печально.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: dauria

Why did they suddenly get that it's a supertsunami? For a real tsunami, the energy of a thousand bombs is needed (an earthquake).

Why is it "suddenly"??? The Yankees on the supercomputer drove the problem and got that with the explosion of POSEIDON with SBP more than 2,0 Mt - 10% (!) Of the industrial potential of the east or west coast of the States - "orders to live long!"
And if he unloads his SBP to a critical point (our geophysicists have already found such ones!) off the coast of the States in the San Francisco region, then it is not known how the San Andreas fault will behave (length 1300 km, fault depth - 16 km!)... But tsunamis and earthquakes are worse than recently in Japan and Turkey, the Yankees are guaranteed.
And after that, you can talk about silos and runways and other infrastructure facilities ...
So, it would be "useless" the Yankees would not be stabbed in epilepsy, demanding its ban through the UN, They also really don't like our PERIMETER ... Maybe you too?

[Derbes19]

Ни чего из вышеперечисленного не случится. Ни цунами ни воздействия на разлом. 2 мегатонны вообще ни о чем. Случится только массовое заражение радиоактивными остатками океана. На этлм все. Вообще концепция "Посейдона" давно изучена и выброшена на помойку в том числе и Советскими учеными. Остальное пропаганда. Тем более самого Посейдона нет. "Сумрак разума рождает чудовищ". Жалко что средств на него потрачено....

[Fima]

And love your enemies, remember them long.
On memorable days, do not forget to bring
flowers on their graves (c). (Freely translated from memory by R. Burns)

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Who will blow it if so many respected people live there and do their own thing? Abramovich lives there, Potanin and Deripaska there in court find out their disputes among themselves, what can we say about many other slightly less respected gentlemen who have their own families and houses there. Be realistic and don't live pumping up the emotions of hate from TV.

[maiman61]

love for the Anglo-Saxons is a deadly diagnosis!

[ivan_nkl]

London goodbye.... London goodbye...

there will be nothing left of the open-air museum - a hundred amassed by overwork ...

[Sumotori_380]

Lemokh sang. He is Ogurtsov. Kar-Man Group

[Metallurg_2]

Aloizych just wanted to sink them, though with missiles.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Aloizych wanted to be friends with them, read "Mein Kampf" where he specifically writes about this.

[Metallurg_2]

This is at first, then he took offense at them for the carpet bombing of cities.

[boni592807]

British experts were afraid of the complete destruction of London by the Poseidon torpedo in the event of a conflict with Russia

Boniface (Leo). Today, 20:53. NEW - "..if "Poseidon" really "drops in for a visit" .."

The thought is good. but...tfight for the small-shaven WHEN a lot of honor.
Proposal. Who does not remember in childhood a little prank ... called "Saechka for fright"!.
Т.е. в период ВОВ(2МВ) немцы бомбили Лондон и бывали сбиты с полными бк. Да и англичане "посещали" Рейх и тоже бывали сбиты в проливе и окружающиж Англию водах. Water. rust terrorist explosions in the Baltic with the possibility of a water hammer on a submerged old bank .. As we say - ECHO OF WAR ... Won. where only O. Krainsky floating mines were not "happy" incl. and NATO countries. Incl. anything can happen...

[tralflot1832]

Here are the English egoists, they only think about themselves, but what will happen to the Padé Calais strait, with the tunnel, the island for ventilation will be demolished and what will happen to French Brittany. In general, Poseidon should hit with a doublet, Edinburgh is preferable there at least there is a naval base. And do not be afraid it's just cartoons.

[ivan_nkl]

Edinburgh is preferable there at least there is a naval base

London is a political center and its destruction will have a major demoralizing effect...

[Quote Lavrov]

"The soldier who was on duty at the nuclear launcher dozed off and leaned on the control panel. At the entrance of the officer on duty, he started up, jumped up and reported:
- Comrade lieutenant, there were no incidents during my duty!
It wasn't, you say? And where is Small Britain... Your mother?! Two outfits out of turn!"

[Metallurg_2]

Instead of two outfits, you need an extraordinary title.

[Yun Klob]

Let them not worry. London will remain in our hearts.

[ivan_nkl]

London will remain in our hearts

from ze capital of ze ... - has eaten into the subcortex!

[Napayz]

And English textbooks will be changed: Landon VAZ the capital of greatbrit

[Metallurg_2]

Great Britain will also go down with London.

[Metallurg_2]

London goodbye, as one famous song sang

[Tusv]

Yes, it will. The "Great Game" continues. Only the Russian Empire is real, while the British is virtual. And what will happen if we agree with the Yankees? Tridents from English submarines will be removed for rent and battle of RI with BI in one English rabbit. The fool's day

[Bolt cutter]

So far, the battle with UA is not going according to the script for RI, so it’s too early to swing at William Shakespeare

[Tusv]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

So far, the battle with UA is going on for RI not at all according to the scenario

Did the bath burn down? We're being bumped into in the "Great Game" RI is expanding inevitably. All according to the scenario and the same rake Lords are advancing. What is the Lord? Lord. Zyrim Jesus superstar ... They don't even have the word of the Lord. Atheists. And so Lilliputians pancake

[Bolt cutter]

You won’t win much with the Lord’s word, which slippers all over the world will confirm.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

That is, if, from your words, the Russian Federation is an empire, then it turns out that the wars will be imperialistic?

[dump22]

Why so exotic? It looks like perversion. And how long will Poseidon sail to London? a week?

It is much faster and cheaper to launch just ONE (out of 667) old Sineva ICBM or Leiner with 16 warheads of 4 kt each from our 500BDRM submarine to London at any time. The destruction will be no less, you can get right into the Palace of Westminster, but there is no missile defense system around London.

But of course, you need to soberly understand that the response from the British will fly in any case, even to Poseidon, even to a rocket.

[Alien From]

Yes, the local press nightmares for the sake of hype! What beats? Here and there everyone only cares about grandmas!

[dump22]

What kind of punches?

Everyone in the world is well aware that nuclear weapons are a weapon of complete desperation and extreme hopelessness.
It will be used (first) only in one case - with a complete loss of hope to achieve at least a "draw" in any other way.

"Everyone should keep this in mind. It's better never to drive anyone into a corner" (c) Commander-in-Chief of Russia

[ivan_nkl]

the answer from the British will arrive anyway

there will be no response as such - there will be a powerful interchange of blows and where to beat you need to decide in advance ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote from ivan_nkl

where to hit you need to decide in advance ...

With this proposal, you were late that way for 40-45 years!
All significant targets are included in the lists of "priority targets" for destruction during the first strategic operation of the RF Armed Forces (VKS - Strategic Missile Forces, VSF) ...

[comings]

I don’t understand one thing: why did the author decide that the experts were scared? Read more? So this is just the beginning.

[Pavel57]

The Thames will rise closer to London.

[Foundling]

Calm down London! There are children of the elite. Complete security

[ivan_nkl]

Calm down London! There are children of the elite

I wouldn’t trust big cities like that - in terms of security ... The elite sits in distant suburbs, in cities on short visits ...

[Tagan]

Something I don’t see here is a London sing-along. I suppose the crapfan sank into Mother Russia and was getting out of harm's way. You never know what, suddenly they gasp around London. After all, they earned a hundred megatons on their backside over many years.

[Knell wardenheart]

torpedo "Poseidon" can move under water for a very long time, remaining unnoticed

But why, why "unnoticed"? I don’t understand, is there something, the devils are rowing with silk bags or something? Such an apparatus is not only a hefty bandura, but it also moves quickly and the mover will make any noise. "Poseidon" will be detected by the same systems that detect conventional submarines, moreover, since we have tested such devices, I do not exclude that the enemy, given his progress in hydroacoustics, managed to obtain data on the noise signature from "Poseidon".
Western countries spend a lot of money on PLO and have a quite well-oiled mechanism as a result, on the side of which progress in this eternal race "shell against armor". In addition, the Poseidon is potentially a weapon of extremely low operational readiness - relative to the air and missile parts of the nuclear triad, its speed is low, the speed of its carrier is low, the carrier itself is damn cumbersome corn and what is called "piece product".
This does not mean that the weapon is bad, but this is a weapon from the category of "Dor's Gun", wonderful in a spherical vacuum of almost ideal conditions. The device will need to be somehow delivered to the launch lines, then it will set off on its "last journey" over distances of hundreds of kilometers, including along waters where the picture of the seabed will not be studied perfectly. In hours or tens of hours from the moment of launch, anything can happen to it - well, even if it reaches, for example, London - 3/4 of the energy of its explosion will go "to nowhere", simply because it will explode in the environment and not in the middle WB capital. The shock wave and tsunami (not so radioactive, by the way, if we are talking about a compact and at the same time powerful ammunition) will go in all directions, and only 1/4 will be directed at the target at best.
If we are talking about the fight against the enemy AUG - the idea is good, but how will it be aimed at the AUG itself? What are the options for external guidance other than cable, given the environment? And sound guidance can be deceived by sharply reducing efficiency or completely nullifying it. Plus, the question is how close the carrier can get to the AUG, given that it is rather big, to put it mildly.
Of all this, except that the potential for the destruction of VM bases during the first strike, I can more or less fit in terms of efficiency. But the key feature here is precisely "during the first strike", because in the return-oncoming bases they will already be empty or in cr. a similar course of events will be expected.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

how will it be aimed at the AUG itself?

Considering the launch method, it will be enough to aim in the old way - look through the periscope, count the torpedo triangle ...) Because a nuclear weapon of such a mass is not very critical to the accuracy of guidance. Plus or minus a kilometer is practically the same for him.
Во первых, американцам конечно не удалось быстро утопить корабли-мишени при первых испытаниях. Но те мишени были хорошо бронированы. А сейчас таких кораблей нет) А во вторых - даже оставшись на плаву, корабли станут могилами экипажей. Просто люди еще некоторое время поживут. Учитывая, как отреагировали военные моряки США на атаку нашей установки РЭБ, как думаете, какова будет боеготовность живых трупов, обреченных на скорую смерть? На уровне "Атаки Мертвецов"? Или...

[Eliminator]

Tell us, please, about 3/4 of the energy to nowhere?) Preferably with numbers and calculations, for example. A vigorous torpedo of such a mass reached the shore under water = ....
Unfortunately, we cannot discuss the issue of delivery, because we can only fantasize how it will be intercepted and what efforts will be made to prevent interception.

“The seismic energy released from an underground nuclear explosion with a power of 1 megaton (4,184 1015 J) is equivalent to an earthquake with a magnitude of about 6.” Fukushima had about 9 points.

[Knell wardenheart]

Please tell us about 3/4 energy to nowhere?)

Elementary Watson - you can’t imagine that the Poseidon, with a quiet front door, penetrates the Thames right into the center of London, for example? It's too cool even for local wet fantasy lovers. In the best case, the device detonates "next to", that is, near the coast. If our task is to "fill up" an enemy city with a tsunami, then this is one of the necessary conditions, because between the place that needs to be "filled up" and the device there must be not only some distance, but also a mass of water, which actually will form a super tsunami. What kakbe hints at undermining Off the coast. And then everything is in physics - imagine a circle divided into 4 sectors. Draw an abstract line parallel to the coast through it. Half of the circle separated by a line from the coast is a waste of ammunition energy, because the shock wave and tsunami will go in the direction FROM the coast. In the sector facing the coast, the maximum wave impact (in terms of height and direction of impact on the target) will occur at a front approximately corresponding to 1/4 of the circle. The remaining 1/4 will send tsunamis at less favorable angles, the less directed at the target, the more they approach an imaginary parallel line (in relation to the coast). Such waves will undoubtedly cause damage - but they will not cause it deep into the metropolis, but mostly tangentially, having traveled a greater distance from the epicenter, and meeting more resistance.
You should be aware that even the most powerful tactical nuclear weapons cause maximum impact in the event of an explosion somewhat above the impact target (excluding tactical anti-bunker or seismic-oriented variations). In this case, the largest part of the cumulative impacts works "on purpose", of the possible options.
In the event of a Poseidon explosion, a significant part of the impact will go up and down - and as a harm to the target it will be very abstract (relative to the power of the ammunition) because thermal radiation will be minimized by water evaporation, hard radiation will mean. degree absorbed by the medium in the cat. an explosion was carried out, the shock wave, as already noted, for the most part will not go to the target.
And yes, when I said about 1/4 - I, of course, did not mean the cumulative damage - but only the damage from the tsunami. Relative to the power of the ammunition, the effect on the target will be much less than this proportion.
If we imagine that "Poseidon" somehow magically "went" along the Thames as deep as possible into the city and exploded there (which is completely fantastic) - in this case, the vast majority of its impact will go "into the ground", which will, of course, be terrifying for some London Underground stations and many building elements, but no one has yet canceled physics. From a technical point of view, an explosion at the mouth will not generate a significant wave, and for the most part, the damaging factors will go into lateral obstacles, generating a powerful seismic wave. The consequences will be catastrophic, but still insignificant in terms of comparing what a similar power supply unit could do if it exploded a little over the target.
And by the way - about "Seismic energy released during an underground nuclear explosion" - you must understand that this is relevant in the case of mine use of nuclear warheads? And not just mine use - but at a certain optimal depth, taking into account the location of the layers and the characteristics of the soil. In this case, the maximum power of the device goes into the formation of a competent seismic wave and both shocks and aftershocks and other phenomena work. If the conditions "to put it mildly" differ from this, then the result will be much less impressive.

[Derbes19]

But let's go back to Fukushima.) The total energy released during the earthquake was 3,9 * 10 * 22 joules. Now count how many Gigatons of TNT there are.

[Sumotori_380]

It seems that between adjacent values ​​of the Richter scale - the difference in the part of the energy of seismic vibrations is about 32 times. That is, 6 points differs from 9 by about 30000 times. That is 1 Mt and 30 Gt

[Derbes19]

Everything is much more complicated there. First, the energy of seismic vibrations is a small part of the total released energy. And if someone wants to make a connection between a nuclear explosion and an earthquake, then it is necessary to consider the total energy released and not the points on the Richter scale. The depth of the epicenter of the "incident", the speed of plate displacement, the prevalence of vertical or horizontal displacement, and so on, so on.

[Mikhail3]

If there is a nuclear war, England will be destroyed in any case. Maybe with torpedoes, maybe with rockets, or maybe it will come out to save money, and old bombs will be enough. But for all the good that is caused to Russia from this filthy island, it will certainly have to be paid off, and I am sure that our military understand this as well as I do) It doesn’t take much to demolish everything there. Absolutely everything, until the formation of a stone melt in the place of their cities.
Кто отделается лучше, мы, США или Китай, это большой вопрос. Но Англии просто не будет при любом раскладе. Кстати, у китайцев тоже есть кое какие вопросы, так что островок может и вообще растрескаться в щебень, под двумя то волнами...

[Bolt cutter]

The population of Britain is distributed in small towns and it will not work to knock them all out. It will not work to knock out the entire infrastructure either. In addition, you will have to spend bombs on NATO allies, but it will not be fun from a retaliatory strike in Russia. One consolation is that in the Kremlin, the people as a whole are smarter than in VO, and this will not happen.

[Mikhail3]

Get it, and it's easy. The survival of modern cities (and towns) is impossible without a well-functioning infrastructure. As soon as trucks stop running and trains stop running, all these towns will simply die of hunger. A humid, rainy climate will provide the population with a huge amount of radioactive fallout, penetrating into every crevice.
What will happen to us, will happen to us. But this scum absolutely cannot sit on the sidelines, and this is very good)

[Bolt cutter]

In the English ten-thousander, the hospital is equipped and supplied no worse than the million-plus in Russia. Warehouses and depots are dispersed, the network of roads intersects, and the British do not live in 20-story buildings. Besides, Britain is hilly, and you can't drop a bomb over every hill.
And the climate here is not particularly humid, not a movie. And precipitation in Britain is clouds that form over the Atlantic.
And in Russia, a nuclear war is likely to disintegrate into archipelagos and clans.

[Sly]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And in Russia, a nuclear war is likely to disintegrate into archipelagos and clans.

Y... You are not from Ukraine by any chance? Usually such nonsense only comes from there

[Bolt cutter]

Это не ахинея- сохранить огромную мультинациональную слабонаселенную страну целой при ядерной войне не удастся. А я не с Украины, а из Латвии. Живу в Англии,а эти строки пишу в получасе езды от Ниццы.Как-то так.

[Knell wardenheart]

alas and ah, the local population is a big% of RedAlert 2 fans, in their view, nuclear missiles are made "like sausages", and our arsenal of ~ 1.6k carriers is inflated to the size of the Brezhnev peak. Well, yes, all nuclear weapons for them are exclusively dirty like a "cobalt bomb", giving a lot of "stinky" isotopes and en masse activating everything to a deadly state that does not burn out. The fact that these weapons have been developed for decades to support a nuclear blitz (with appropriate criteria for the effective reaction of components, the half-life of associated transuranides and isotopes, etc.) - and not for a juicy picture a la Fallout - is beyond ordinary understanding. As well as the idea of ​​​​the real scale of destruction from these very 1.6k available (already extremely conditional) warheads.

Will he fly in case of something on the WB? If the elites have enough will, they will fly. If there is something to fly in, because I cannot imagine the conditions in which we would decide on a "first strike".
In return-oncoming or return yes, I admit that a lot will arrive. And, probably, in the capital, as well as in large industrial. centers also. In the depths - hardly. Large-scale contamination with radionuclides - perhaps indirectly, from destroyed nuclear power plants, destroyed nuclear weapons storage bases, downed warheads or missiles. Large-scale chem. infection - oh yes, here it will be. Ashes with the entire periodic table, large-scale fires, destroyed chemical plants, acid rains and all the colors of the rainbow that suddenly pour into rivers - this will be in bulk.
It is this + chaos that will be the main damage from nuclear weapons "for the majority." The Covid epidemic well demonstrated (on the example of a number of euro states and the same Italy) that the inhabitants of Europe need much less hellish trash to start dying like flies (and not only the inhabitants of Europe, by the way, all this is spread to us). From the accompanying things, all allergics, chronics and most of the pensioners will "move horses", there will be no one to bury them, warehouses of medicines and pharmacies will be surrounded in an instant - and so on, so on, so on ..
But yes, in the imagination of the layman, all these are not factors, or it’s a matter of “glazing”.

True, this whole infernal picture is from the field of the deepest hypotheses - looking at the dynamics of what is happening, it seems to me that everything would end abruptly with a one-time (even if) use of tactical nuclear weapons - we all sit too deeply on the cuck of civilization to come to this. And the "jackets" understand this much better than us, because such a development of events will not only break their world of comfort and power ..

[Mikhail3]

Ну разумеется) Ядерная война - легкая докука. Хороший перевод американских пропагандистских материалов для обреченной на заклание Европы. Методицку теперь уже переведенной выдают?) Как там говорил классик? "А если тебя ранят в живот, так это что то вроде щекотки..."
I especially like in the text the pouty allusions to the sacred knowledge of the "non-inhabitants". Keep it up! The townsfolk suckers of course. Therefore, they foolishly think that in such a war it is necessary to provide for a situation where life on earth will not end after it (for which there is not much hope. At the Brezhnev peak, reserves were stabbed that would make it possible to destroy all life on earth several thousand times. Thousands. write down if the stocks have decreased, then thousands of times the total destruction has become less. everything is practically harmless!))
In such a life, the core of the Anglo-Saxon world cannot be allowed to survive. Therefore, large cities, that is, the terminal centers of the supply chain, will be destroyed to the rocky foundation, to steam. And for the rest of the country there will be several explosions in the atmosphere. Hills in such explosions do little to save something) Those who are not hit by gamma radiation to a quick death will breathe decay products, and most importantly, a huge amount of previously harmless gases and dust that were hit by gamma rays and became sources of secondary radiation. How do Americans speak? Overkill. Don't hide behind the hill...

[Bolt cutter]

For an overkill in Britain, most of the nuclear arsenal will have to be lime on it. And the Americans, obviously, will be deprived of bombs.

[Gabriel_GB]

Seria fantástico...seria eliminar las mayores alimañas que habita este planeta...en esa isla pútrida y decadente. Bravo

[alexandre II]

Англосаксы а что штаны намокли? РДС-202 была по мощности 58,6 мегатонны, ну а если вдвое, думаю вы господа обос раться не успеете....

[Derbes19]

It was, but it is not now and never will be. Super powerful nuclear warheads are not effective. It is much more "profitable" to throw in a dozen low-yield warheads. All the military around the world came to this, and for this reason there is no such nuclear weapon.

[vvnab]

British experts are just grimacing. No one will blow up their own children! )

[Mikhail3]

Quote: vvnab

British experts are just grimacing. No one will blow up their own children! )

Oh yeah! These people are so fantastically child-loving that they would rather be allowed to blow them up. Have you ever interacted with kids? I’ve been honored) In general, it’s unlikely that fathers and mothers are delighted with their own offspring)

[Oleg Apushkin]

First of all, it is necessary to change the nuclear doctrine. We don’t need to rush to heaven, it’s good on earth too, only the Kremlin thinks differently - only a retaliatory measure.

[the same doctor]

they will block the mouth with a net, set up underwater sensors and anti-torpedoes ... As a result, Poseidon will have to explode 80 km from the city. A standard 10 megaton warhead will not do any harm, the wind rose there is such that the infection will blow over Europe ... Higher yield warheads cannot be used without full-scale tests, and we have a moratorium.
Let's be honest about everything. Otherwise, Putin will hope again, as he hoped for weapons "based on new physical principles" and full mobilization depots. You can’t trust your own propaganda, you need to at least occasionally evaluate the real state of affairs.

[nickname7]

In their propaganda, they are not so much afraid as justifying the hybrid war they are waging against the Russian Federation. Therefore, one should not be deceived by the alleged fear of the British.

[rocket757]

British experts were afraid of the complete destruction of London by the Poseidon torpedo in the event of a conflict with Russia

It is the military, in strong, reputable countries, who are not eager to fight, get involved in a global adventure, they don’t want to ... but politicians, everything is clear with them, they don’t have a lot of things they don’t have and in aggregate it is dangerous for everyone.

[Frank Muller]

And who said that the Britons were afraid? In any case, any catastrophic situation is simulated, assuming a possible future trouble, without exception, all those who are threatened by it. With regards to the aforementioned "Poseidons", is this not such a PR as the indestructible parade "Armata"? Having such powerful means of attack and offensive, he will not arrange an advertising campaign for them, preferring to teach his opponent a lesson with an unexpected crushing blow. You can fantasize (about the use of weapons that have never been used) to infinity.

[Lynx2000]

British experts suggest that if the Russian army launches Poseidon from a Doomsday submarine and it explodes at the mouth of the River Thames, the radioactive wave that arose after the explosion will completely destroy London.

What kind of radioactive wave, how will it destroy London? I know about the shock wave, about light radiation too, about penetrating radiation, they showed and told me in a Soviet school with visual posters.
I think that the current generation of politicians are infantiles, i.e. they do not understand the responsibility and consequences of possible consequences from the use of nuclear weapons, and even armed conflicts.

[biznaw]

The Irish oligarch, hostile to England, will hire a yacht with a Ukrainian crew, load a pyrton bomb bought in North Korea and detonate it in the North Sea. After that, Ireland and many other countries will drink champagne and whiskey to celebrate.

[Arifon]

I know what we need to do now - we need to launch our Kuzka Mother in their direction. The caliber should defile along the border of the USA, Canada (right along the neutral zone), and then, having shown the whole world the incapacity of the "partners" air defense systems, bang on the Kura training ground in Kamchatka. I think it might sober up a lot of hawks or make them sober...

[Derbes19]

So she is not. Kuz'kina Mother. No, it wasn't. There was an experiment - they rushed and closed the project.

[Ajax Ajax]

Horror story, with the impossibility of practical application. As some have noted in the comments, a ballistic missile will give this nonsense a hundred points ahead. The only possibility is to bring it to the place of application in advance and put it on the ground in readiness to execute the command "face!"

[Boa kaa]

Quote from Ajax Ajax

Horror story, with the impossibility of practical application. ... a ballistic missile will give this nonsense a hundred points ahead.

1. This "absurdity" is such a powerful "horror story" that the amies are trying to ban it through the UN!
2. Пуск МБР засекается КА типа "Имеюс" на 5-8 секунде после старта по факелу. ИК датчики работают исправно...Все наши МБР, идущие к цели по кратчайшему пути, до 85 секунды на АУТ м.б. уничтожены кораблями МПРО противоракетами SM-3, SM-6 системы Иджис...
3. And to destroy Poseidon, you need to find him in economy mode. And try to destroy it when breaking through 100 knots. course. At the same time, its route to the target is UNPREDICTABLE, because its range is not limited by energy.
4. At the same time: at a depth of 1000m, it is covered with at least 2-3 layers of "jump". Water is a special medium. Hydrology has 7 types!
Therefore, fairy tales for D. Bills about "detect-destroy!" - these are wet dreams of "non-sailors" in terms of education, way of thinking, service experience. At the same time, one carrier is capable of firing at least 6 Poseidons. For mobile PLO forces, this is the worst of nightmares!
IMHO.

[Sumotori_380]

And what document are they pushing to the UN for a ban?

[Alexandr2637]

such as London or New York.

Don't be so afraid. It won't hurt. Chick - and you are already in hell.

[Million]

If the British Isles are destroyed, then peace will come to earth.

[sdivt]

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Check it out. Just about "Poseidon", a fable about Sakharov and a bunch of doubts

Time dictates other conditions of the game. Today, competent analytics has become unpopular. Today, notes in the style of "the whole world is in ruins, and we are in paradise" are in demand.
In our country, even patriotism is reborn into its worst form - into jingoism and hatred.

[kakvastam]

Do not rush to throw caps into the air.
In order for the decision on such a strike to be made, the situation must become absolutely catastrophic, and then it will be just right to envy the quickly exhausted Londoners ...