Retribution strike. What he was, what he will be and what he should be

Age-old history of revenge

Our troops, in response to the terrorist attack in the Bryansk region, finally delivered retaliatory strikes against the enemy's military infrastructure. This blow was unprecedented. They hit infrastructure facilities mainly with “Daggers”. Can this action be considered real retribution?

To begin with, let's try to figure out what a retaliation strike is. Elemental revenge. It has been practiced by some peoples for centuries, and military actions only spurred it on. Sicilians, Calabrians, Corsicans, Neapolitans, Basques, our Caucasians were sometimes so carried away by blood feuds that they had no time to do other things. They were literally consumed by it.

In war, the prerequisites for blood feuds, both mass and individual, grow like mushrooms after rain. Retribution strikes were used by almost all the armies of the world in all the wars waged by mankind. Examples of this are innumerable.

Usually they were practiced in response to some resonant, especially cynical action of the enemy, which, even in military conditions, violated some generally accepted norms of morality. A retaliation strike is, as a rule, not a combined arms operation, but a surgical operation. It is usually carried out by sabotage and reconnaissance groups.

And often not military, but from among the special services. So, during the Finnish campaign in 1939, the retaliation operation was carried out by the future commander of the airborne troops, Army Commander Vasily Margelov. The Finns, as they say, started first. And they ran into.

The Finnish sabotage group raided the rear military hospital of the Red Army. As a result, over forty wounded soldiers and several doctors and nurses were killed. This was a flagrant violation of the rules of warfare of the time.

Among the dead was a young nurse, the beloved of Lieutenant Margelov. Their relationship in full swing flew to the wedding. Vasily Filippovich then remembered his first love all his life until his death.

Upon learning of the death of the bride, the young lieutenant, of course, burned with a frantic thirst for revenge. The command took advantage of his emotional state and offered to lead a group of saboteurs-avengers. He readily agreed.

And two weeks later, a retaliatory raid was made on a Finnish mobile medical center. All wounded Finns and PMP guards were killed. Our saboteurs did not touch the nurses. Only one girl died from a fragment in a grenade explosion.

The saboteurs finished off all the wounded Finns with knives and point-blank shots. After that, the Finns did not make a single raid on the rear of the enemy in the entire campaign. They just didn't take the risk. The action of retaliation achieved its goal.

Answer for Zoya

During the Great Patriotic War, the action of retaliation was used by our troops not so often. This was due to the high mobility of troops - both ours and the enemy, and the rapid movement of the front line. It was far from always possible to calculate the enemy, because over six hundred German divisions fought on the Eastern Front.

The stigma of damnation and the Damocles sword of retribution, by definition, hung only over the SS divisions. There were about thirty of them. Here they were worthy of retribution by definition. By the way, there were just over half of the German divisions among the SS.

Among them were Croatian, Danish, Ukrainian, French, Albanian and even Azerbaijani units. Wanting to curry favor with the "true Aryans", the SS showed pathological cruelty towards the civilian population.

And only for this they were the addressee of the action of sacred revenge. As a rule, they were not taken prisoner. They knew this very well, calling themselves "suitors of death." Of the German infantry divisions, only one became the addressee of revenge - the 197th Infantry.

It was her soldiers who first tortured for a long time, and then publicly hanged the partisan Hero of the Soviet Union Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya. And abused her already dead. The order not to take the soldiers of the division prisoner was given personally by Joseph Stalin, and the order was carried out.

But the Soviet leader did not stoop to personal revenge, unlike Adolf Hitler, to whom the thirst for revenge was by no means alien. The Fuhrer had only two widely declared personal enemies in the USSR - the announcer of the State Committee for Radio Broadcasting Yuri Levitan and the submariner Alexander Marinesko.

Levitan, with his delivered unique baritone, instilled in our fighters steel confidence in the inevitability of victory. Agree, today we really miss the new Levitan, whose every word was believed by everyone.

And Lieutenant Commander Marinesko managed to sink the German floating base "Wilhelm Gustloff", on board which were the crews of 70 submarines - about five thousand people. “I will hang Levitan first in Moscow!” Hitler said. Revenge, however, failed to either one or the other.

American Retribution

The Americans took revenge on the Japanese from the bottom of their hearts for the Japanese raid. aviation to Pearl Harbor. As a result of a massive air bombardment, the entire American fleet in the harbor was killed. This made a lasting impression on the Americans. They literally burned with a thirst for revenge.

It became clear that the opening of the Second Front (which the Anglo-Saxons had avoided for so long) was indispensable. He was open. But this was not enough for high-quality resonant revenge. In addition, from the very first days after the landing in Normandy, the situation began to develop in a dramatic manner for the Americans.

The American landing on Omaha Beach almost choked on its own blood. Later, in the battles on the mainland, the Germans put up fierce resistance to the Americans. And they almost threw them back into the waters of the Atlantic as a result of the counter-offensive in the Ardennes in December 1944.

The Japanese offenders on Okinawa fought no less stubbornly with the invaders. American soldiers there began to die literally by the thousands. Instead of sacred revenge, it turned out to be some kind of chaotic bloody mess. Something had to be done. And calm the indignant public opinion, and satisfy the thirst for revenge.

And also it was necessary to bring to his knees and force the inflexible and fanatical enemy to capitulate. And the Americans went for broke - they dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It was the first and only to this day in stories mankind the use of atomic weapons against the population. The effect was amazing - the blow of retribution exceeded all expectations. Humanity shuddered. Pearl Harbor has been avenged and the vengeance of millions of Americans has been satisfied.

And in Russian

The Soviet army practiced retaliatory strikes many times in Afghanistan. In fact, not a single Mujahideen raid on one or another of our columns went unpunished. The situation was greatly simplified by the fact that in Afghanistan the spooks fought not only with our army, but also with each other.

There, everyone had an account with everyone. And informants who could tell our troops the coordinates of "those they are looking for" were always there. And during the war in the Caucasus, retaliation strikes also came regularly to the militants for their actions.

One of the main recipients of retribution, as expected, was field commander Shamil Basayev. After a raid on a school in Beslan and the death of several hundred Ossetian schoolchildren, an aerial bomb "found" Basayev's house in Vedeno.

Three of his wives and twelve children hid here. All of them were covered by a direct hit. Cruel? Yes! Fair? Of course, it is unlikely, but the great Yermolov taught to act like this, otherwise the Caucasus cannot be pacified ...

It must be admitted that during the NMD we were already waiting for retaliation strikes. We have already been given more than enough reasons for this. The sunken cruiser Moskva, the blown up Crimean bridge, the murdered Daria Dugina, the raid on the Bryansk region.

And no answer, except for the recent massive Kinzhal raid on a number of military and infrastructure facilities in Ukraine. But will this be an act of retaliation? And she should be.

Or will we wait until the strategic American bomber will no longer turn around 200 miles from St. Petersburg-Petrograd-Leningrad?

Retribution must be inevitable. And the blow must be noticeably painful. Otherwise, the enemy, drugged by his own impunity, will become insolent.

Comments

[costa_2]

It is disgusting to read the fantasies of a sofa commander. You are not the General Staff and cannot assess the situation.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from: costa_2

It is disgusting to read the fantasies of a sofa commander. You are not the General Staff and cannot assess the situation.

It's disgusting to read your comment ... Thank God that you are not in the General Staff either.
When the Ukronazis throw your relatives shot by them into the ravine, I will look at your comments later.
And it’s hard to talk about retribution in the NWO after the exchange of the Azov Nazis ... what we have is what we have.
I can no longer express my dissatisfaction with those who made this decision after the recently adopted law. express.
It remains only to silently watch all this.

[Vladimir_2U]

Indeed: what are these actions of retribution?! They are not even capable of planned work to destroy the forces and means of the enemy.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Lech from Android.

When the Ukronazis throw your relatives shot by them into the ravine, I will look at your comments later.

And you are calm for your own, that is, you are not afraid of these very Ukronats. The question immediately arises, why? and the answer is immediately on the surface ... No, no, of course, not because you are in the advanced trenches of the LBS, and not because, together with the Wagner fighters, you are destroying them in Artyomovsk. After all, you are not there and it is not expected that you will be there !!!

[AAK]

Judging by the lack of experience in the VO, this "costa" is just another goofy CIPSO-shny bastard, and as for the topics of the article, in my opinion, every day the SVO should be a retaliation strike, and the motto should be - a good Bandera - the 200th Bandera !

[insafufa]

Quote: AAK

and as for the topics of the article, in my opinion, every day the SVO should be a retaliation strike, and the motto should be - a good Bandera - the 200th Bandera!

After such comments, I’m really scared how quickly people are sliding into a bloody frenzy or the roof is slowly rustling with slate for some.

[insafufa]

Quote: Lech from Android.

When the Ukronazis throw your relatives shot by them into the ravine, I will look at your comments later.

As if they had thrown your relatives into a ravine after being tortured, so much hatred. I've advocated mandatory filtration camps to separate the stoned from the normal, so to speak, to sift the wheat from the chaff.
I was downvoted here and write out such a game and you have pluses. kinda weird though

[tsvetahaki]

You are not the General Staff and cannot assess the situation.

Judging by "Kyiv in three days" and so on... This is about assessing the situation.

[Alexey Alekseev_5]

What is there to evaluate? Generals bzdyat .... Surovikin's father turns over in his grave from the activities of his son

[Evil_critic]

As I understand it, you are a seer, if you see who, where and how is turning over?

[Comrade]

The article is necessary, the topic is good, but it is replete with misconceptions and propaganda fakes - from the "crews of 70 submarines" on board the Wilhelm Gustloff to the allegedly "sunk" cruiser Moskva.
1) Only the lazy did not write about the refugees on board the Wilhelm Gustlov, there is nothing to talk about.
2) In 1904-1905 there was a Russian-Japanese war, the battleship "Mikasa" was the flagship of the Japanese fleet, which died in the port on the night of September 11-12, 1905 from the explosion of the aft cellar. If it were not for the Russian-Japanese , and the Ukrainian-Japanese war, Ukrainian propagandists would probably announce that the explosion on the battleship was the work of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Comrade

The article is necessary, the topic is good, but it is replete with misconceptions and propaganda fakes - from the "crews of 70 submarines" on board the Wilhelm Gustloff to the allegedly "sunk" cruiser Moskva.

We have been told for two decades that the strike by torpedoes of an American nuclear submarine on the Kursk nuclear submarine is a fake, and a dent and a hole in the hull are a play of light and shadows. And today we find out that this is true, and the whole world did not shudder at such news, and the citizens of our country did not fight in hysterics and anger (maybe only except for the relatives of the deceased crew), and after that we try to explain (TO WHOM ???) that had reason to destroy the drone in closed airspace Russian Black Sea...

[Saburov_Alexander53]

We have been told for two decades that the strike by torpedoes of an American nuclear submarine on the Kursk nuclear submarine is a fake, and a dent and a hole in the hull are a play of light and shadows. And today we find out that it's true
Oops... did I miss something or did someone admit that they sank the Kursk with a torpedo? Alien, not his own, which exploded inside the TA.

[Sheridan]

Is the author a jerk? WE speak about ourselves and this THIS someone allegedly even showed a paper about Kursk.

[shikin]

I will add more about the significance of the atomic bombings. By the time the atomic bombs were used, Japan's industry had been practically destroyed by massive bombardments. More than half of Tokyo was burned, many medium-sized cities were practically destroyed (66 cities were bombed). Losses of people were many times greater than from the use of atomic bombs. Against this background, the use of unknown weapons and the destruction of the next two cities could hardly have had a noticeable impact on the Japanese command. But the loss of most of the Japanese Armed Forces in Manchuria meant the complete futility of further resistance.
And the world learned about what atomic weapons are and the consequences of their use much later than the atomic bombings.

[Negro]

Quote from shikin

here the loss of most of the Japanese Armed Forces in Manchuria meant the complete futility of further resistance

1. What does Japan have to do with Manchuria? Do you think these two theaters were somehow connected with each other as of August 45th?
2. How much did they lose there at the time of the adoption of the Potsdam Declaration?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Negro

1. What does Japan have to do with Manchuria?

In the situation of August 1945, it would be better for the Center for the Kwantungs to remain at their place of permanent deployment. Don't let those scumbags go back to Metropolis.
Tokyo had problems with local army officers as well.

[Negro]

Quote: Alexey RA

The Kwantungs remained at the place of permanent deployment. Don't let these scumbags go back to Metropolis

Let the true patriots build the Japanese world in the Manchurian People's Republic.
But real violent, especially well-armed, there were no longer there. Tero with shovels. In addition, half of the Chinese. The other half are Koreans.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from shikin

Against this background, the use of unknown weapons and the destruction of the next two cities could hardly have had a noticeable impact on the Japanese command.

You don't understand one small detail. Past city-destroying raids have required hundreds of B-29s and have been quite costly in terms of both manpower and casualties.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were demolished from the face of the earth by two groups of no more than a dozen cars. On which the air defense did not even aggro. That is, now for the demolition of the city, two orders of magnitude fewer aircraft were required. Taking into account the fact that the real number of American nuclear warheads was unknown to the Japanese, the new scheme changed the situation dramatically - the detachment of forces that demolished Tokyo with old bombs, new bombs in theory could demolish 30-40 cities. And for this it was enough for one car to break through to the city, which was impossible to distinguish from others.
Moreover, it became impossible to distinguish the strike group from ordinary scouts, forcing them to intercept all B-29, which in the shortest possible time left the Japanese air defense air defense without fuel.

[avatar123]

think correctly, otherwise the position "nuclear weapons did not decide anything then" got tired, because this is a very naive position that does not take into account all the economic, political and military changes from the use of nuclear weapons. it was even then a banal change in the balance of power by a factor of a thousand.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Comrade

The article is necessary, the topic is good, but it is replete with misconceptions and propaganda fakes -

I think it would be more accurate to say:

Quote: Comrade

The article ... is replete with misconceptions and propaganda fakes -

Might be good, but very imprecise:
- the commander of the S-13 was demoted to the rank of lieutenant commander;
- a hospital ship, armed (!) Was renamed a mother ship ...

А Lieutenant Commander Marinesko managed to sink the German floating base "Wilhelm Gustloff", on board were the crews of 70 submarines - about five thousand people.

But what is written in our History of the Great Patriotic War ... 1941-1945.

"Submarine" S-13 "under the command of captain 3rd rank A.I. Marinesko on January 30, 1945 sank a German liner "Wilhelm Gustloff" with a displacement of 25 tons, on board of which there were more than 484 thousand people. The cruiser "Admiral Hipper", destroyers and minesweepers, which approached the area of ​​the sinking, could no longer provide any assistance to the transport. Fearing attacks by Soviet boats, they hastily retreated to the west. On February 6, the same S-9 submarine sank the General Steuben steamer with a displacement of 13 tons. For combat successes in this campaign, the S-14 submarine was awarded the Order of the Red Banner.
This is said about the actions of Marinesko in the "History of the Great Patriotic War of the Soviet Union 1941-1945".

And here is what the seascape writer A. Kron writes:

A. Kron:

"January 30, 1945, the S-13 submarine under the command of captain of 3 rank A. I. Marinesko sank a giant liner fascist fleet "Wilhelm Gustlov" with a displacement of 25 tons

So who is wrong?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

So who is wrong?

Nobody is wrong. "Wilhelm Gustloff" during his service in the Kriegsmarine managed to stay both a hospital ship and a PKZ. From September 1939 to November 1940, the ship was Lazarettschiff D. Further, the medical equipment was removed, the ship was repainted and reclassified into a floating barracks to accommodate cadets of the 2nd submarine training division (2. Unterseeboot-Lehrdivision). In this class, he was sunk.
True crews of 70 submarines - about five thousand people there was no one on board on the last flight - they had nothing to do with such a crowd in a front-line city. The permanent and variable composition of 2. Unterseeboot-Lehrdivision on the Gustloff was only 918 people.

[Hagakure]

Revenge is a dish best served cold!

[old]

In addition, they will not wait for these blows there, given that it is not customary to report on the “exploits” of the Nazis-Vushniks, in response to which we will take revenge, in Ukraine and the West. As soon as we hit somewhere, whining will immediately begin: we are here so white and fluffy - we sit and do not touch anyone, they took these vile ones and blew everything up here. Give more money and weapons, otherwise the same will happen to you ..

[Amateur]

then the partisan Hero of the Soviet Union Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was publicly hanged.

In fact, the Germans executed an unknown saboteur who called herself "Tanya", and she was awarded the title of UCC posthumously.

On February 16, 1942, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR awarded Kosmodemyanskaya with the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. posthumously, for "courage and heroism shown in the partisan struggle in the rear against the German invaders"

[Leader_Barmaleev]

In general, the theme of retaliation strikes is a very subtle matter. And at the heart of its subtlety lies morality and the basic principles of education. Let me explain - by and large, every soldier fights for his land and for what is dear to him on this land. If you destroy what he is fighting for, then his demoralization will occur, which will drastically reduce his combat effectiveness. And here we come to the main thing - retaliation strikes are not inflicted on military facilities, retaliation strikes are not inflicted on infrastructure and industry, retaliation strikes are inflicted on CITIES AND THEIR POPULATIONS. Only in this case they have maximum efficiency, no matter how cynical it may sound. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are an example for you. If a soldier knows for sure that his mother, father, sister, fiancee will die for his indecency at the front in the rear, and not specifically, but in a common heap along with the city, then he will think a hundred times HOW he should fight and, just in case, will surrender in captivity. This is a very effective measure, only for those who were professionally engaged in retaliation and intimidation a long time ago they came up with a name - PUNISHERS. And not everyone will be able to sleep peacefully after committing a punitive action... So this is a super-effective tool that must be used with incredible caution.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

for those who were professionally engaged in retribution and intimidation, a long time ago they came up with a name - PUNISHERS.

Oh how! It turns out that the British, who wiped Dresden, Leipzig and other German cities off the face of the earth, as they said in revenge for Coventry, were in essence punitive!? Then how do they differ from the SS Sondern team, which burned down the Belarusian village of Khatyn along with the inhabitants? Or from the thugs of Colli's platoon, who shot 500 residents of the Vietnamese Song My?
And this is all because you initially have the wrong message!
It is possible (and necessary!) to take revenge on those who committed atrocities, and not on civilians (non-combatants), who did not even hold weapons in their hands ... Therefore, no matter how attractive it may seem to you and (judging by +) your like-minded people, DESTRUCTION of the civilian population is a war crime against humanity and is subject to condemnation by Mr. Court!
Therefore, we are not at war with the civilian population of the enemy. We feed and treat them ... sometimes to the detriment of ourselves. But such is the essence and traditions of the Russian army. From ancient times to the present day. We do not stain our immortal soul with such indecency!
IMHO.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

It turns out that the British, who wiped Dresden, Leipzig and other German cities off the face of the earth, as they said in revenge for Coventry, were in essence punitive!? Then how do they differ from the SS Sondern team, which burned down the Belarusian village of Khatyn along with the inhabitants? Or from the thugs of Colli's platoon, who shot 500 residents of the Vietnamese Song My?

For all questions, yes. They were punishers. They are no different.
This is actually what I said.

[Negro]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

For all questions, yes. They were punishers. They are no different.

Are different.
Comrades from the SS (by the way, local) were punishers. The case in Vietnam is a loss of discipline. The case of the English is an erroneous strategy. The Douai doctrine existed long before Coventry.

[your1970]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are an example for you.

This is absolutely NOT an example - the United States destroyed much more of the population with conventional bombs in other cities of Japan. Japan had its own Dresden and Cologne.
The effectiveness of the YaB is striking only at the beginning - until you find out that the main building was wooden, unlike German cities.
And yes, the Wehrmacht knew about the mass bombing

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

a hundred times he will think HOW he should fight and, just in case, will surrender.

but did not particularly surrender on the Eastern Front

[Nikolay Malyugin]

When you consistently put things in order in your house, then you don’t need to take revenge on anyone. After all, the issues with Chechnya and Ukraine did not arise by themselves. After the war, there were a lot of rats in the houses. But as soon as the garbage dumps were removed and replaced with urns, these creatures disappeared. Everything must be done consistently. And then there will be no long-forgotten diseases in the cities.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

When you consistently put things in order in your house, then you don’t need to take revenge on anyone.

It's when it's consistent, not when it's unexpected at four o'clock in the morning February 24, without prepared strategic plans and full mobilization...
And in the fight against bedbugs, cockroaches and other living creatures in the form of rats and mice, you need to act like this:

[ivan2022]

The head does not digest when they simultaneously write about "retribution" and about trade for 1.5 billion dollars for 2022 and about the "brotherly-Bulgarian" fuel obtained from the oil of the Lukoil company .....
After all, you can provoke a blow in the wrong direction. It’s better that we don’t need provocations, dear comrades .... Let's breathe and exhale and let everything go as it goes ... free of charge.

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

I understand retribution this way - for the fact that the Bandera people beat and beat on cities, towns, you just need to raze Lvov, Ivan-Frankivsk and beyond, if they don’t stop shelling the population, continue to destroy the entire western outskirts ...

[your1970]

Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander

just raze Lviv to the ground,

And?
Have you not paid attention to the fact that terrorist battalions and simply stoned APUs for the most part are from central and eastern Ukraine ???
Westerners just don’t even particularly rally after the start of the NWO ....

[Soldatov V.]

In our country, acts of retribution are applied as if with a splayed hand. For example, not a hundred missiles of calibers throughout Ukraine, but a hundred missiles for one viper Lvov. Warn that the hulks would tick into Poland a day before the strike, and strike in a square-nest way for shelling the Donbass.

[KCA]

If you don’t give out slaps with your outstretched palm, but give them straight on the nose, the effect is no less, if not more, than from a punch

[Trilobite Master]

As my son put it when he went to kindergarten: "I want to speak obscene words."
What was it, colleagues?
And I will say that it was.
Ignorance and complete illiteracy, multiplied by an inferiority complex and irrational, pathological bloodlust.
Fucking Avengers.
Heaped up a bunch of pseudo-historical tales, seasoned with irresponsible fantasies and with the words "In the right way!" They try, without tearing their fat (or skinny, it doesn't matter) backs from the sofa, to teach someone how to fight properly.
After all, the most important thing in war is revenge, this is obvious. We will cover a couple of kindergartens and schools with Caliber for the boy Fedya, put all Ukrainian prisoners on stakes and put them on the front line in a row - revenge should be terrible, cynical and, most importantly, demonstrative. You can also throw some more poisonous poison on Kyiv or another large city. Revenge so revenge - so that there was no time to fight. But we won’t touch the nurses, unless we blow up a couple with a grenade and that’s it, consider the war won.

You don't have enough blood...
(There should be at least five "swear words" and a couple of medical terms personally addressed to the authors of the article - in my opinion they fully deserved this with their opus)

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Trilobite Master

Heaped up a bunch of pseudo-historical tales

Michael, I strongly support you. About Margelov's bride, the author himself invented, for pepper?! The rest of the same crap, stretched over the globe. Well, wars are not won by blows of retaliation, rather the opposite. This is all from impotence, they take it out on the civilians.

[runway-1]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Quote: Trilobite Master

Heaped up a bunch of pseudo-historical tales

Michael, I strongly support you. About Margelov's bride, the author himself invented, for pepper?! The rest of the same crap, stretched over the globe. Well, wars are not won by blows of retaliation, rather the opposite. This is all from impotence, they take it out on the civilians.

Colleagues! I think you understand that such articles and extremely militantly approving comments to them are a common manifestation of hypocrisy, cynicism and stupidity (each time in their proportions) ...

[Engineer]

So this is the "Russian world" on the march. Retribution to Ukraine for daring to resist. Naturally, all calls are exclusively from the couch.

[Trilobite Master]

Quote: Engineer

So this is the "Russian world" on the march.

This is not the "Russian world". This is the foam that is enough in any world. International, so to speak.

[Oleg Zorin]

Bravo, Michael. You can't write better! Repect I agree completely

[Chimp]

Retribution strikes will not be needed if the offensive develops successfully and there is no waste.
We are at war what kind of retaliation strikes? The enemy is doing his job, we are doing ours.
Are retaliation strikes for infrastructure strikes serious?
I see then one blow of retribution is the elimination of either the political or military leadership of the Ruin. It seems that no one promised to keep Zaluzhny or Syrsky alive?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote from Chimp.

It seems that no one promised to keep Zaluzhny or Syrsky alive?

in an adjacent article, the propagandist declared them patients of ward number 6. So why destroy them, suddenly they will put sane people in return, then it’s generally unknown what will happen

[Ross xnumx]

Let some thoughts of the author cause additions, in particular:

The effect was amazing retribution strike exceeded all expectations. Humanity shuddered. Pearl Harbor has been avenged and the vengeance of millions of Americans has been satisfied.

The fact is that the Americans carried out the bombing of Japanese cities not so much as retaliation for the Japanese, who by that time had been broken by the Red Army, but as a warning to Stalin and as a kind of carte blanche in the post-war redistribution of the world ... Understand correctly with what why did Berlin have to be divided into two parts, and in connection with what kind of strategic offensive of the allied forces? And we have information that President Eisenhower and some gentlemen from the GB began to hatch plans for the destruction of the USSR before the surrender of Germany.

Retribution must be inevitable. And the blow must be noticeably painful. Otherwise, the enemy, drugged by his own impunity, will become insolent.

It is difficult to disagree with this thought.
My impression is that the General Staff and the military leadership are experiencing some political pressure from the Russian authorities, who do not want the country to be fully mobilized, in connection with the existing statements, plans and goals of Western politicians regarding the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE RUSSIAN STATEHOOD.
I am more than sure that it is the policy of waiting, some constraint in making strategic decisions, gaps in the legislation in the conditions of conducting the NMD, and the very definition of Russia's military operations against the countries of the NATO bloc, which lead to growing aggressiveness on the part of those countries whose existence under " bloody showdowns ”can be calculated for hours, and those politicians who, for the sake of American patronage for themselves (for it is difficult to call action patronage when the population of an entire country is deprived of the supply of cheap energy resources that contribute to the development of the country's economy for DOZES), are ready to tear their own ass on the British flag. ..
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In addition, I support the statements of the NWO participants that this is not the time to arrange “feasts during plague fighting the plague”, some mass celebrations in honor of the celebration of the city, when coffins and funerals come to the homes of our compatriots. This is wrong and dishonorable in relation to those who gave their lives for the Fatherland.
In addition, I have a question: is it right during the parade (if in the current situation it is appropriate) to demonstrate to the public weapons, the combat use of which is under a big question or is limited due to some reasons unknown to us?

[Negro]

Historians beat.

Quote: ROSS 42

The fact is that the Americans carried out the bombing of Japanese cities not so much as retaliation for the Japanese, who by this time had been broken by the forces of the Red Army

You're lying. The spacecraft crossed the border on the day of Nagasaki. We barely managed to jump into the already departed train. A couple more days - and the USSR would have been discharged from the winners in Asia. And even Sakhalin oil would be remembered.

Quote: ROSS 42

Do you understand correctly why Berlin had to be divided into two parts and in connection with what kind of strategic offensive of the allied forces?

Since there was an agreement on this in Yalta, in which the USSR was interested. If the principle "who gets up first, that slipper" were in effect, the GDR would be half as much.

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we have information that President Eisenhower and some gentlemen from the GB began to hatch plans for the destruction of the USSR before the surrender of Germany.

Lying again. Churchill had ideas to deal with the USSR, but the commander of the allied forces, Eisenhower, was considered almost the main friend of the Soviet government. Actually, this fact alone ruled out the implementation of the Unthinkable (in addition to all the other minuses of this idea). After the war, when it became unfashionable to be a friend of the Soviet regime, Aiki had to make excuses for his behavior in 45.
After the war, after the reversal of American policy, Eisenhower, as the head of the KNSh, naturally participated in the development of new military plans against the USSR - and against whom else? Headquarters for the development of plans do exist. But since Eisenhower was a so-so strategist, the plans were also so-so: in Korea, they had to call for help from the navy, who, unlike the army, retained their combat capability.

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in connection with the existing statements, plans and goals of Western politicians regarding the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE RUSSIAN STATEHOOD.

I have not heard anything like this from the leaders of Western countries. A maximum of such statements can be found among deputies, more often former ones. Most of all, it is the patriots from the Strelkovskaya party who are drowning on this topic.
Last time, when the USSR collapsed, the Americans turned inside out so that everything went without excesses. Including all Soviet nuclear junk was brought to the Russian Federation. Just the Ukrainians have something to remember on this issue.

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whose existence during "bloody showdowns" can be calculated in hours

What are these? Even Ukraine seemed to be given three days.

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when the population of an entire country is deprived of the supply of cheap energy,

Gas in Germany now costs 3 times cheaper than at the beginning of last winter, before the start of the Ukrainian events.

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some mass celebrations in honor of the celebration of the city, when coffins and funerals come to the houses of our compatriots. This is wrong and dishonorable in relation to those who gave their lives for the Fatherland.

Politically illiterate statements. CBO should be free for the public - at least as much of the population as possible should consider it free for as long as possible.

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is it right during the parade (if in the current situation it is appropriate) to demonstrate to the public weapons, the combat use of which is under a big question or is limited due to some reasons unknown to us?

Weird question. This "weapon" was created just for the parade. Now what to throw away?

[Edward Vashchenko]

But since Eisenhower was a so-so strategist, the plans were also so-so.

What is true is true.
A man who accidentally became a commander.

[Negro]

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A man who accidentally became a commander.

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Yeah. The person whom appointed Napoleon.

[Old electrician]

And also it was necessary to bring to his knees and force the inflexible and fanatical enemy to capitulate. And the Americans went for broke - they dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It was the first and only to this day in the history of mankind the use of atomic weapons against the population. The effect was amazing - the blow of retribution exceeded all expectations. Humanity shuddered. Pearl Harbor has been avenged and the vengeance of millions of Americans has been satisfied.

- From a military and propaganda point of view, the impact of the atomic bombings was negligible. The army, navy and population simply did not know about them. The official announcement of the atomic bombing of Japan was as follows:

The Americans dropped a new type of bomb on Hiroshima. There are some casualties.

- both sinful and funny.
Everything is relative. By the end of July 1945, American aircraft had burned about 90 Japanese cities. Since only 10 percent of the buildings were made of stone, Japanese cities were an excellent target for American firebombs. As a result, 3 million houses burned down from the bombing in Japan - a quarter of the total housing stock. Homeless left 9,2 million people - 12% of the population. 478,6 thousand civilians suffered from air raids.
As a result of two atomic explosions, 80 thousand people instantly died, by the end of 1945 the total number of deaths, including cancer and radiation sickness, ranged from 90 to 166 thousand people in Hiroshima and from 60 to 80 thousand people in Nagasaki.
The American bombing of Tokyo in March 1945 will forever go down in history. Then a two-hour air strike from American B-29 bombers led to the formation of a fiery tornado (similar to the one that arose in Dresden). The fire destroyed 330 houses. Nearly 40 percent of Tokyo was completely burned out. According to various estimates, from 80 to over 000 people died there.
Speaking of Dresden. From February 13 to February 15, 1945, Anglo-American aviation wiped out the city of Dresden. The purpose of the action is to intimidate Stalin. Dresden was an ideal target because it was supposed to enter the zone of Soviet occupation, did not have military installations and air defense, and therefore had not yet been bombed. The technology for the destruction of cities was specially developed by the Anglo-Americans and was tested in Lübeck, Hamburg, Berlin, etc.
During the first attack on Dresden, the "allies" dropped 800 tons of bombs. After that, on February 14 and 15, to finish off the survivors and prevent the work of fire brigades, another 771 and 466 tons of land mines were dropped on the city, respectively. At the same time, Mustangs shot people who had escaped on the banks of the Elbe, and fire brigades sent to help from neighboring cities. According to our veterans, when they entered Dresden, they were simply shocked by the mountains of women's and children's corpses.
The spread of estimates of the dead in Dresden ranges from 40 to 250 thousand people. The minimum estimate of losses is the estimate of the Americans themselves and the propagandists who serve them. Their task is to hide the crime of the Americans. 250 thousand dead is a much more realistic figure.
The fact that the bombing of Dresden was supposedly revenge for Coventry calls out nothing but Homeric laughter. In Coventry, 1236 people died during the entire war, which cannot be compared with the 250 killed in Dresden. In addition, Coventry was a warehouse of military supplies and military production, that is, a legitimate military target. Dresden, which makes cups and saucers, was not.
Once again, the propaganda effect of the atomic bombings was negligible. The Japanese military cast aside all the moral norms of warfare as useless rubbish. The raped Nanjing and the killing of prisoners of war - examples of their monstrous cruelty and barbarism abound. Accordingly, they were mentally prepared for retaliatory violence.
The Japanese population was extremely ideological with the idea of ​​the sacred mikado. Just one example is the kamikaze kitikai Lieutenant Fujii Hajime. Several times he turned to the command with a request to enroll him in the special attacks unit. However, he always received a refusal, since he had a family and three dependent children. After another refusal of the command, Fujii was in a depressed state. Then the wife, seeing the experiences of her husband, committed suicide by drowning herself with her small children. Fujii got his way and became a kamikaze. He died on March 28, 1945, on the eve of the Battle of Okinawa, while trying to hit an American ship. Scare such "bomb of a new type."
The “new type of bomb” did not make such an impression on the Japanese as the fact that Stalin guaranteed them the overthrow of the Mikado and the liquidation of the institution of imperial power. For the Japanese, this was several orders of magnitude worse than atomic and other bombings. It was to save the institution of imperial power that the Japanese voluntarily fell under the Americans. Both needed the atomic bombing as an excuse. The Japanese pretended to be scared to death by her, the Americans, in turn, portrayed this crime of theirs as a necessary military factor that led Japan to surrender and save millions of lives.

[Galleon]

Thank you for your comment.
The second line is just to lengthen the comment.

[Negro]

Another historian.

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The army, navy and population simply did not know about them.

Since Japan is an absolute monarchy, no one was particularly interested in the opinion of the army, navy and population. The leadership of Japan fully understood what had happened, and how far the US capabilities, demonstrated by the creation of nuclear weapons, were from Japan's capabilities.

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Everything is relative

Japan's surrender was not the result of two blows, but of 8 years of war. Moreover, from the middle of the 44th, after the Philippines, Japan had only one urgent military issue - the procedure for surrender. The behavior of the Japanese leadership in the past year can be characterized by the saying "you can't breathe before you die." ChiN helped the sensible part of the Japanese leadership, led by Hirohito, to end this agony.

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The purpose of the action is to intimidate Stalin.

Some weird Americans. Either the Japanese will be killed to intimidate Stalin, or the Germans. Was Comrade Stalin so afraid of the dead Germans?

Maybe living Germans could create more problems for Stalin?

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According to our veterans, when they entered Dresden, they were simply shocked by the mountains of women's and children's corpses.

Two months lay? Wow. Did the Germans pile them up in heaps?

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250 thousand dead is a much more realistic figure.

This is Goebbels' assessment. Do you agree with Goebbels on all issues, or only on this?

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Fujii got his way and became a kamikaze. He died on March 28, 1945, on the eve of the Battle of Okinawa, while trying to hit an American ship.

You see, no one has ever set the task of scaring a suicide. There was a task to kill him before he caused damage - and in general, this task was successfully solved by the Americans.

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Stalin guaranteed them the overthrow of the Mikado and the liquidation of the institution of imperial power.

Stalin could not guarantee anything to anyone in this matter.

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It was to save the institution of imperial power that the Japanese voluntarily fell under the Americans.

The question of Hirohito was decided after the war. In August, the Americans refused to discuss it - which was an obvious mistake. More sane actions would probably have avoided the entry of the USSR into hostilities.

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Both needed the atomic bombing as an excuse

The Japanese civilian leadership used the bombing as an excuse to remove the military, while the Americans didn't care. But they had atomic bombs and it was just a shame for them to leave them for the next time - all the more so, as we know, the next time never happened.

[Sergej1972]

Japan was not an absolute monarchy in the form in which it is understood by specialists in the field of public law. There was a constitution, there was a parliament, there were political parties until the end of the 30s. Plus, the leadership of the army and navy competing with each other influenced politics. That is, even formally it is no longer an absolute monarchy, although the prerogatives of the monarch were great. Plus, there was some self-withdrawal of the monarch from participating in the operational management of the country. It would be more correct to say that in Japan there existed from 1890 to 1945, in fact, and until 1947, formally, a dualistic monarchy, at the same time very specific.

[Negro]

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yet very specific.

Yes, if you go into detail, there is a lot of specific. The situation in the first half of the 40s was reminiscent of a shogunate, formally an absolute monarchy, in fact a military dictatorship. However, this does not change the essence - in fact, in early August, the imperial council carried out a coup d'état, removing the military leadership. On the 9th, two factors developed - the second bomb (after the first there was hope that the Americans only had one bomb) and the entry into the war of the USSR, which did not mean the end of the Manchu group at all - it was still impossible to deliver it to the islands, minefields and Nimitz's activities were completely stopped even by coastal sea transportation - and the end of hopes for "equal" negotiations through the mediation of Comrade Xi is crossed out by Comrade Stalin.

[Old electrician]

I appreciate your love for godlike Americans, but I don't share it. It seems that you have lived all your life in God's heaven and descended to the sinful earth only for the administration of natural needs. Apparently, therefore, you do not suspect that the Cold War has been going on since 1945 to the present day. Which after some lull moved into a hot phase.

Since Japan is an absolute monarchy, no one was particularly interested in the opinion of the army, navy and population. The leadership of Japan fully understood what had happened, and how far the US capabilities, demonstrated by the creation of nuclear weapons, were from Japan's capabilities.

Let's start with the fact that in 1945 Japan did not have an absolute monarchy. In 1889, the Meiji constitution was adopted in Japan, which lasted until 1947. In 1945, Japan had a constitutional monarchy of a completely modern English type. The only difference is that the Japanese emperor had the right to veto the decisions of the parliament. Otherwise, the parliament elected by the population ruled everything.
Unlike Japan, in 1917 Russia had an absolute monarchy, which "the opinion of the army, navy and the population was not particularly interested in anyone" - and what ?! Where did our unforgettable passion-bearer go?

Japan's surrender was not the result of two blows, but of 8 years of war.

- gee-gee-gee! What are you saying about historians? The attack on Pearl Harbor is dated December 7, 1941. Only after that, on December 8, a memorandum was signed in New York declaring war on Japan by the United States. Japan capitulated only to the United States (the war with the USSR is a separate song) on ​​September 2, 1945. Those. the war between Japan and the United States lasted 3 years 8 months and 24 days. How did you add another 4 years to this war?

The question of Hirohito was decided after the war. In August, the Americans refused to discuss it - which was an obvious mistake. More sane actions would probably have avoided the entry of the USSR into hostilities.

- gee-gee-gee!
From April 1 to June 23, 1945, the Battle of Okinawa, also known as "Operation Iceberg", lasted 82 days. This battle is one of the bloodiest of the entire war on the Pacific front: the “allies” lost more than 12 thousand people killed (mostly US soldiers) and more than 38 thousand wounded. After that, it was easy for them to predict the results of subsequent battles on the Japanese islands themselves. A study undertaken for US Secretary of War Henry Stimson estimated that US casualties in the conquest of Japan would be between 1.7 million and 4 million, including between 400 and 800 dead. That is why the Americans made considerable diplomatic efforts to involve the USSR in the war with Japan.
In turn, Japan, looking at the attempts of the Americans, did not even think about capitulation. The Japanese leadership quite confidently counted on an honorable peace. The main trump card of Japan was the Kwantung Army, which controlled the resources of modern China and Korea. It was Japan's military and economic base on the Asian continent.
On August 9, the day when the US Air Force carried out an atomic bomb explosion over Nagasaki, advanced and reconnaissance detachments of three Soviet fronts launched an offensive. After 10 days, i.e. On August 20, only separate units remained from the Kwantung Army. It's called tearing like Tuzik a heating pad. Only prisoners were taken from 594 to 000 Japanese soldiers - six times more than in Okinawa.
After that, there was the Kuril operation, which began on August 18 with a landing on about. Shumshu. The Japanese resisted stubbornly, but were defeated. On August 23, the Japanese garrison of the island, despite its superiority in forces and means, capitulated. More than 12 thousand people were taken prisoner. On August 22-28, Soviet troops landed on other islands in the northern part of the ridge (up to and including Urup Island). On August 23, the powerful garrison of the island of Paramushir (about 8 thousand people) surrendered without resistance. August 23 - September 1, the islands of the southern part of the ridge were occupied, which Nikita subsequently promised to give to the Japanese.
It was obvious to the leadership of Japan that the next landing would be on the Japanese islands, against which the Japanese had nothing to put up. The result was eerily predictable for them. The worst thing for the Japanese leadership was that it had no resources left for the subsequent war.
That is why Japan capitulated in an emergency. Moreover, this capitulation did not apply to the Soviet front. Therefore, on the mainland, separate skirmishes with the Japanese continued until the end of September - the beginning of October.

Some weird Americans. Either the Japanese will be killed to intimidate Stalin, or the Germans. Comrade Stalin was so afraid of the dead Germans?

- Comrade Stalin was not afraid of either the dead or the living Germans. Take an interest in the point of view of any unbiased historian (you are neither a historian nor an unbiased one). Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the symbols of the first volleys of the Cold War, they were supposed to intimidate neither the Germans or the Japanese, but Stalin. The impudent calculation of the Americans was on nuclear intimidation and nuclear blackmail of the USSR. As a result of this intimidation, on August 29, 1949, the USSR tested its atomic bomb. For the Americans, it was a shock.

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250 thousand dead is a much more realistic figure.

This is Goebbels' assessment. Do you agree with Goebbels on all issues, or only on this?

For the attention of admirers of god-like Americans, Goebbels has nothing to do with this assessment. Before the war, 650000 inhabitants lived in Dresden, by February at least 200 more refugees arrived in the city, their exact number cannot be calculated. To these must be added an unspecified number of hospitals with the wounded, evacuees, etc., etc. All of these were potential victims.
British historian David Irving described the fire tornado, artificially organized by American aircraft, that arose in Dresden. It absorbed more than 75% of the entire area of ​​destruction in the city. Its strength allowed it to uproot giant trees, crowds of people trying to flee were picked up by this tornado and thrown directly into the fire. Torn roofs of buildings and furniture were thrown into the center of the blazing historical part of the city. The tornado reached its peak in the three-hour interval between air raids, at the moment when the residents of the city, who had taken refuge in basements and shelters, tried to escape to its outskirts. Asphalt melted on the streets of Dresden, and people falling into it merged with the road surface.
A railroad worker who was hiding near Postal Square saw a woman with a baby carriage dragged down the street and thrown into the flames. Other residents of the city, who tried to flee along the railway embankment, which was not blocked by debris, saw how the railway cars on the open sections of the track were blown away by a storm. I will repeat once again for the admirers of godlike Americans. The details of the destruction of Dresden are not described by Goebbels at all, but by the English historian David Irving. Under similar but less dramatic conditions, between 80 and 100 people died in Tokyo. Why should there be fewer of them in Dresden?
The flames from the fire in Dresden were visible at a distance of 200 km. from the city on the Soviet sector of the front. More than half of the residential buildings were destroyed in the city, many architectural monuments, while large marshalling yards were not seriously damaged, one of the railway bridges across the Elbe was intact, and the military airfield located in the vicinity of the city was also not damaged. Great Britain and the United States needed to show their power, to impress Stalin, which is why a city that was practically not affected by the bombing was chosen for the demonstration. The lives of its inhabitants became for the Anglo-American strategists only a bargaining chip in their political game. Please us with the next praises addressed to them.

[Negro]

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I appreciate your love for Godlike Americans

I have exceptionally many claims against the Americans, especially in the 40s.

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Apparently, therefore, you do not suspect that from 1945 to the present day there is a "Cold War"

The Cold War began, rather, in 48, the Berlin Crisis (and this is one of my complaints with the Americans, a lot of moments were missed) and ended in 91, with the collapse of the USSR. The later activity of the post-Soviet countries in the war with the United States is more reminiscent of a similar war performed by Field Marshal Idi Amin. However, the old cannibal was smarter than the current geopoliticians: he guessed to announce his victory the next day, while the Americans were looking for his country on the map.

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Otherwise, the parliament elected by the population ruled everything.

In wartime, Parliament did not rule even in the World Bank and the United States.

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Where did our unforgettable passion-bearer go?

He was removed by the commanders of the fronts for unsuitability. True, they themselves were unsuitable, so they themselves were removed by two burry proletarians, one from Zurich, the other from New York.

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The attack on Pearl Harbor is dated December 7, 1941.

It's you Americans who started WWII with Pearl Harbor. The Chinese start it from the 37th, or even from the 31st. Just with Japan. There, in fact, a serious company gathered from the Chinese side, starting with Hans von Seeckt.

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"allies" lost more than 12 thousand people killed (mostly US soldiers) and more than 38 thousand wounded

By European standards, the battle for the water tower.

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including from 400 to 800 thousand dead.

Like in Hungary, or what? What a horror.

No, no one calculated the total losses for a single assault operation. In general, all these stories about incredible losses appeared much later, when atomic bombs ceased to seem such a dazzling idea.

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That is why the Americans made considerable diplomatic efforts to involve the USSR in the war with Japan.

And the shameful idea of ​​the State Department to drag the USSR to this NWO caused fury among both the army and the navy. Eisenhower was not in Asia, and neither Nimitz nor MacArthur were among Comrade Stalin's pen pals.

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In turn, Japan, looking at the attempts of the Americans, did not even think about surrender

Seriously? Hirohito has changed three governments in recent months and has kept appointing characters like Yonai who openly stoked for surrender.
By the way, about the "attempts of the Americans." The ratio of losses between the US and Japan is worse than that of the Reich and the USSR - and this is even before the Americans began to burn cities. Which exhaustively characterizes the Japanese "patriots", lovers of the "honorary world".

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China and Korea. It was Japan's military and economic base on the Asian continent.

And what was the Kwantung Army supposed to do with these "resources"? Throw pieces of coal at the Chinese? Or will the industry of the future North Korea master the war with 54 states?

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After 10 days, i.e. On August 20, only separate units remained from the Kwantung Army

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You missed one point. Japan surrendered on 14 August. On that day, Soviet tanks stood without fuel, waiting for him to be brought up by planes. Speaking of the state of the Kwantung Army, the military-economic base, all this nonsense - the Kwantung even transport workers could not shoot down.

Yes, "military operations" against a non-combatant enemy are usually the most successful.

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Only prisoners were taken from 594 to 000 Japanese soldiers - six times more than in Okinawa.

A separate Soviet skill is to take prisoners of war in peacetime.

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After that, there was the Kuril operation, which began on August 18 with a landing on about. Shumshu. The Japanese resisted stubbornly, but were defeated

Oh yeah... It was epic.

Landing at a strict time, without any resistance at all, the Soviet comrades drowned about the same number of soldiers in the landing zone as the Americans lost on Omaha Beach. This was an enchanting achievement, which allows us to evaluate the further possible successes of the USSR in landing operations.

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On August 23, the powerful garrison of the island of Paramushir (about 8 thousand people) surrendered without resistance.

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The Soviet military was smart enough to tie up with landings and simply send an officer on a boat to accept surrender - fortunately, the Japanese received an order on this subject a week ago. Otherwise, a couple more regiments would have been drowned.

[Negro]

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The result was eerily predictable for them.

Naturally. In the event of minimal resistance, none of the grandfathers would have left - there was nowhere to lie in the sea. And they did not know how to land operations. At all.

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The worst thing for the Japanese leadership was that it had no resources left for the subsequent war.

They've been out of resources for a year now, since ties with Indonesia were cut. Agony, I've already said.

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Therefore, on the mainland, separate skirmishes with the Japanese continued until the end of September - the beginning of October.

Skirmishes with the Japanese in some places continued until the mid-70s. There were fairy-tale characters. But the war was over.

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Take an interest in the point of view of any unbiased historian (you are neither a historian nor an unbiased one). Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are symbols of the first salvos of the Cold War,

By "historians" you mean Soviet political officers. Or the current ones, they differ little from the Soviet ones - except perhaps in arrogance. There is no evidence of participants in the events, not to mention a document that would confirm these conjectures. Dresden, I remember, was generally ordered by the Soviet side.

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As a result of this intimidation, on August 29, 1949, the USSR tested its atomic bomb. For the Americans, it was a shock.

For non-following Americans. The Roosevelt administration was a branch of the Comintern. The fact that someone betrayed (every second betrayed there) was known for sure.

Accordingly, from a rational point of view, the nuclear monopoly had to be implemented without delay.

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Goebbels has nothing to do with this assessment.

You're right, even Goebbels isn't that awesome. The figure of 250 thousand is given by Russian "historians". Goebbels called the figure 150-200 thousand, did not finish it so to speak.

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English historian David Irving

Altistoric from England. Since the search of the killed Germans, he compensates for the unkindly killed Jews, a comrade walks under the article. Actually, for the shortage of Jews, he spent time in Austria in a prison.

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that is why the city, which was practically not affected by the bombing, was chosen for the demonstration.

It would have been much more effective simply not to give East Germany to Stalin. This would have frightened him much more than two divisions of civilians killed. A lot of bad things can be said about Comrade Stalin, but he was definitely not afraid of the dead.

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The lives of its inhabitants became for the Anglo-American strategists only a bargaining chip in their political game.

Yes. They were all en masse handed over to Stalin in the GDR. Lousy story.

[Old electrician]

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I appreciate your love for Godlike Americans

I have exceptionally many claims against the Americans, especially in the 40s.

- let them laugh at your statement that you have some mythical claims against the Americans. As the great Stanislavsky said, “I don’t believe!”.
Each letter of your posts is permeated with just dog-like devotion to the Americans and hatred for the USSR. You are a classic propagandist for the Washington Regional Committee. I confirm this with your own words:

The Soviet military was smart enough to tie up with landings and simply send an officer on a boat to accept surrender - fortunately, the Japanese received an order on this subject a week ago. Otherwise, a couple more regiments would have been drowned.

Another quote from you:

You missed one point. Japan surrendered on 14 August.

What kind of surrender of August 14 are you raving about? On August 14, 1945, the emperor's "order" was issued to allegedly surrender. However, by virtue of the constitution, this non-order did not have legislative force, therefore it was ignored by the parliament and the command. He was not brought to the troops at all. The war against the USSR continued without any sentiment.
Our landing force was landed on August 18, naturally, the garrison did not receive and could not receive any non-order to surrender a week before. Therefore, his resistance was the most fierce. The garrisons on Shhumsha and Paramushir capitulated only on August 22, having exhausted all possibilities for further resistance. Downed Japanese tanks are still rusting all over Shumshu. Why brazenly lie?
The small islands of the Kuril ridge began to surrender not after the emperor’s back orders had not been received, but out of hopelessness after the defeat of the garrisons on Shumsha and Paramushir. Nevertheless, I understand you. You are offended to the point of snot that the Americans intended to seize the Kuril ridge themselves, but the Soviet landing forces were ahead of them and provided a god-like bummer.
In the state in 1945, the regiment was supposed to have 2400 people. It follows from your words that, when landing on Shumshu, there were two regiments of only drowned men, i.e. 4800 pieces - just horror.
Alas, the reality was not what it seems to propagandists of the Washington Regional Committee. Indeed, during the landing operation on the island of Shumshu, everything was very difficult. The Shumshu garrison was 8480 people. It could be reinforced and was subsequently reinforced by troops from the neighboring and also heavily fortified island of Paramushir (there were over 13 troops). All military installations on Shumshu were carefully camouflaged, there were a large number of false fortifications. A significant part of these fortifications was not known to the Soviet command; it did not have accurate data on the defense system of the island. In addition, the water area of ​​the landing site was extremely difficult for landing and unexplored. The water temperature did not exceed 000 degrees Celsius, ocean surf, etc., etc. All this was one of the reasons for significant losses during the landing. The stupid Yankees, who stormed the resort beach of Omaha Beach in the month of June in lukewarm water, would have died there to the last, never having reached the coast of Shumshu.
Despite all the unfavorable factors, the total number of losses during the landing on Shumshu was not at all prohibitive and amounted to 1567 people. Including 416 killed, 123 missing (mostly drowned during the landing) and 1028 wounded.
What do we end up with. Let's take as a basis that all 123 missing people are those who drowned during the landing. It turns out that you lied exactly 40 times. The result is worthy of tsipsoshnik.
As a true propagandist of the Washington Regional Committee, you meanly write:

Landing at a strict time, without any resistance at all, the Soviet comrades drowned about the same number of soldiers in the landing zone as the Americans lost on Omaha Beach. This was an enchanting achievement, which allows us to evaluate the further possible successes of the USSR in landing operations.

On Omaha Beach, the Americans were opposed by 7800 poorly trained infantrymen, i.e. less than the Japanese defending Shumshu. The beach is the perfect place to land. It is customary to show such exemplary landings in propaganda films. The Germans knew this and staged an exemplary massacre for the Americans on this beach. 43250 infantrymen participated in the landing, supported by 2 battleships, 3 cruisers, 12 destroyers and 105 other ships. Result 1700 killed and 3000 wounded. Fortunately for the Yankees, no one drowned during the landing. A truly amazing achievement!
The place and time of the Soviet landing on Shumshu was just as ideally inappropriate. Therefore, the Japanese did not wait for the landing and they were taken warm in the coastal fortifications. As a result of the massacre on the beach, as it was in Omaha Beach, there was no Shumshu.
The practice of wars says that the attackers must have at least three times the superiority. At Omaha Beach, the balance of power was 5,5:1 in favor of the Americans. It's ridiculous to talk about the technical ratio. The landing on Shumshu was attended by 8824 people against 8480 Japanese. The ratio of forces is 1:1 and not a single battleship. Any country can be proud of such an operation.

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Take an interest in the point of view of any unbiased historian (you are neither a historian nor an unbiased one). Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are symbols of the first volleys of the Cold War

By "historians" you mean Soviet political officers. Or the current ones, they differ little from the Soviet ones - except perhaps in arrogance. There is no evidence of participants in the events, not to mention a document that would confirm these conjectures.

- the audacity of your lies goes beyond all moral standards. As I understand you, for the sake of creating a noble image of Americans, are you ready to tear your ass like an accordion?

Dresden, I remember, was generally ordered by the Soviet side.

- remember pli-and-from when and to whom did the USSR give such an order? Lies worthy of a cisco. Are you on a salary or piecework?
The GDR was a union state for the USSR. Therefore, before the liquidation of the GDR and the USSR, Soviet propagandists diligently avoided the issues of German losses. Especially the civilian population. Therefore, there were no political comrades whipping up horror stories about the destruction of the German civilian population in Dresden, or anywhere else. It was a taboo that was passed over in silence. Two examples.
The second edition of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1949-1958):

DRESDEN is one of the largest cities in Germany, an important economic and cultural center, the main city of Saxony. The population of D. in 1939 was 629,7 thousand people; in 1945, 394,5 thousand; in 1951, 503,2 thousand people. D. was one of the most beautiful cities in Germany. However, as a result of the bombing of the Amer. aviation (in February 1945), which sought to destroy the bridges across the Elbe and thereby delay the advance of the Soviet Army, the city was almost completely destroyed.

Great Soviet Encyclopedia 3rd ed. (1969 - 1986):

The bombing of the city by British and American aircraft at the end of World War II (February 2) caused enormous destruction and death of a significant part of the inhabitants of Dagestan.

How do these quotes from the TSB differ from the Japanese report on the atomic bombing of Hiroshima:

The Americans dropped a new type of bomb on Hiroshima. There are some casualties.

As you can see, despite the fact that in 1952 the Cold War was already quite hot in Korea, an attempt was even made in the TSB to justify the Americans. Allegedly, they bombed the center of Dresden not to destroy the civilian population, but to destroy bridges across the Elbe. But the problem of propagandists in 1952 is that during the bombing of Dresden, military facilities were not damaged at all.
In the TSB of 1976, friendship and peace with the Americans were no longer mentioned, so it was said in passing without details that a significant part of the inhabitants of Dresden died during the bombing.
I'm tired of delving into your praises of godlike Americans. After what you said, I have no doubt that on Independence Day of the United States you are running through the streets with a vuvuzela and the Stars and Stripes.

[Old electrician]

Some of the Japanese tanks knocked out by the Soviet troops on about. Shumshu.

[Negro]

Quote: Old electrician

Stanislavsky "I do not believe!"

In vain.

Quote: Old electrician

Every letter of your posts is riddled with ... hatred for the USSR

Americans didn't hate the USSR enough. Especially in 41-45 years.

Quote: Old electrician

On August 14, 1945, the emperor's "order" was issued to allegedly surrender. However, by virtue of the constitution, this non-order did not have legislative force, therefore it was ignored by the parliament and the command. He was not brought to the troops at all. The war against the USSR continued without any sentiment.

You have these types of Petrosoviet. Parliament led the armed struggle, despising the nurse-Emperor.

Charming.

Quote: Old electrician

Our landing force was landed on August 18, naturally, the garrison did not receive and could not receive any non-order of surrender a week before

This is how Hirohito himself read it on national radio.

Quote: Old electrician

Our landing force was landed on August 18, naturally, the garrison did not receive and could not receive any non-order to surrender a week before.

If you were right, this landing would be an even worse idea.

Quote: Old electrician

capitulated only on August 22, having exhausted all possibilities for further resistance

Didn't understand. To whom could they capitulate there until the Soviet government sent parliamentarians? Or will you order them to come to Vladivostok themselves?

Quote: Old electrician

You are offended to the point of snot that the Americans intended to seize the Kuril ridge themselves,

Whether it’s bad or good, the Americans at that moment were not at all up to the Kuril ridge.

Quote: Old electrician

The stupid Yankees, who stormed the resort beach of Omaha Beach in the month of June in lukewarm water, would have died there to the last, never having reached the coast of Shumshu.

We more or less know how the Americans fought in the summer of 45. Just around Okinawa. They drove 39 aircraft carriers, 18 battleships, about 200 ships of other types and wiped everything that seemed threatening from the face of the earth. The butcher's score is 1:10 in favor of the Americans.

On Shumshu, the butcher's score is 1:10 in favor of the Japanese (according to the enemies of the Soviet regime). The Soviet government itself recognizes 529:369 not in its favor.

Quote: Old electrician

On Omaha Beach, the Americans were opposed by 7800 poorly trained infantrymen.

On Omaha Beach, there was a garrison awakened by an unsuccessful shelling on a capitally fortified coast. Yes, landing on a fortified coast is the most difficult type of military operations.

Therefore, by the way, I cannot say that grandfathers fought badly in this incident. Only the unthinkable material superiority of the Americans of the 45th year allowed them to maintain a relatively comfortable account. Of course, the Americans fought better for the first time (Tarawa), but the ILC landed there, after all.

Quote: Old electrician

Any country can be proud of such an operation.

I would not. Arranging landings after the declaration of peace is a so-so practice. And especially failures.

Quote: Old electrician

for the sake of creating a noble image of Americans, are you ready to tear your ass like an accordion?

Who about what, and the Soviet patriot about the ass.

Quote: Old electrician

remember when and to whom did the USSR give such an order?

Memoirs of Spaats, it seems. He refers to Antonov. It would be possible to find out from the documents of the Soviet side, but she is still not going to declassify them.

Quote: Old electrician

Therefore, there were no political commissars who whipped up horror stories about the destruction of the German civilian population in Dresden, or anywhere else.

What if I find it?

Quote: Old electrician

TSB was even made an attempt to justify the Americans.

You see, it has not yet occurred to the authors of the TSB to blame someone for the excessive destruction of the Germans in 52.

Quote: Old electrician

during the bombing of Dresden, military installations were not damaged at all.

Wow, raze the whole city to the ground EXCEPT for military installations. Amazing craftsmanship.

[parusnik]

With the same success, in the "History" section, one could place an article by A. Podymov from the "Opinions" section - "Remember how the world will be in Ukrainian." And this article could be titled "I take revenge, and my revenge is terrible", it is more in line with the content.

[Stirbjorn]

I read it before this one. One is dumber than the other, what happened to the site?!

[parusnik]

what happened to the site?

"Oil has left us" (c)

[staer-62]

With Ukraine, everything is clear, pragmatic, businesslike, Bandera, Natsik-to the grave. The people of Russia do not understand the West, the West is untouchable for our politicians at the level of unconditional reflexes, a taboo. What only the West did not do with Russia and its politicians and threatened, insulted, sanctions, caught and imprisoned citizens, killed peacekeepers in batches, set neighbors, killed military personnel, civilians, killed children, bombed our cities, nuclear power plants, strategic facilities, almost to Moscow got terrorist attacks in Moscow. Any self-respecting state, if reputation is important to it, would long ago have destroyed everyone who was involved in this, but only answer once at the beginning and none of the above would have happened. I don’t know about anyone, but as a citizen I feel humiliated because of our policy. No need to talk about Ukraine, it is commanded by the West and Putin speaks directly about this.

[staer-62]

I will add. What does it look like. They beat someone and this beaten one says that I will kill you, female dogs, they beat him again, he promises that I will perform sexual acts with your mother, he is beaten again. What needs to be done to stop the beatings?

[your1970]

Quote: staer-62

What needs to be done to stop the beatings?

What had to be done so that the SS division "Charlemagne" stopped fighting for Berlin - which the GERMANS (!!!) had already begun to surrender ??

[War Lord]

Of course, it is unlikely, but the great Yermolov taught to act like this, otherwise the Caucasus cannot be pacified ...

What kind of "retribution strikes" can we talk about if the clown Zelensky with all his Nazi shobla calmly walks around Kiev, receives guests from the USA and the EU not in a bunker, and the plenipotentiary representative of the President of the Russian Federation Abramovich R.A. Turkey for killing Russian people?

[Reklastik]

To begin with, let's try to figure out what a retaliation strike is. Elemental revenge.

thanks, Cap. I love attempts to lay deep meaning in the performance of this broad-minded thinker.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Retaliation strike: this is a kind of military action committed in response to a terrorist attack committed by the enemy, which resulted in massive human casualties among civilians; we are all leading to the fact, by our spinelessness, that the enemy, Ukraine, is impudent and will have to be carried out when there is no other choice, with the use of nuclear weapons. Or a transition to another level of NWO, military operations; with the destruction of the entire infrastructure of Ukraine, which again requires tactical nuclear weapons.

[ee2100]

Punishment for what?
For the fact that the DRG crossed the state border?
No, because the Ukrainian troops (Ukraine) do not comply with certain agreements.
But then it is necessary for the Russian Federation to stop observing them.
This is what would be logical.

[Fat]

Retribution must be inevitable. And the blow must be noticeably painful. Otherwise, the enemy, drugged by his own impunity, will become insolent.

In order for the blow to be painful, it is necessary to hit on the "sore spot".
As a rule, this is a “purse” for imperialist capitalists, and for stubborn fanatics, these are their illusions.
No "eye for an eye, blood for blood" can influence the "collective unconscious" of communities.

[MBRSS]

Retribution strikes - work for the public and blow off steam (including those of the avenger himself). Better, of course, consistent work than attacks.
PS There are like 6 daggers in total. was, therefore, to say that "mostly daggers" is an exaggeration. Sorry for being boring.

[Oleg Zorin]

+ No tediousness. "Accuracy - the politeness of kings"

[Eug]

Potential objects of "retaliation" must be covered so that the enemy does not even think about hitting them - and this is the task of both army and special structures. And if they don't want or don't know how to work to prevent "retaliation strikes" (it is much easier, safer and more efficient to cut money from the diasporas, etc.), then it is necessary to establish strict order and not hesitate to do so. Successes in the LBS will make the enemy even more willing to deliver such strikes with all means available to him with the appropriate information and propaganda cover, and you need to be ready for this ..

[your1970]

Quote: Eug

Potential objects of "retaliation" must be covered so that the enemy does not even think about hitting them - and this is the task of both army and special structures.

There are 42 bridges and overpasses in the Russian Federation - and this is just one (!!!) type of object that can be attacked

[north 2]

comparing the current SVO itself with the Second World War and with the Soviet war in Afghanistan is the height of indecency, if only because the Soviet media did not advertise what Hitler, Goebbels, Muller, Kaltenbrunner, Hekmatyar said every day about the USSR, about Russia and about the Russians, Rabbani, Shah Massoud, etc. And in the Russian media, practically every day today, we are told what the current Ukrainian counterparts of the above persons think and say about Russia and Russians - Zelensky, Danilov, Budanov, Reznikov, Kuleba and all sorts of other Arestovichi there. In fact, this is an advertisement for these
enemies of Russia, because their initially unchanging program and task is the task of destroying as many Russians as possible and Russia itself. Every citizen of the Russian world knows about this and there is nothing for us to advertise them here every day ...
And therefore , and retribution can not be compared . If during the Second World War the retribution of the Supreme
and the soldiers fell in unison into the general hatred of the enemy, today the soldiers are taking revenge on the enemy, and the Supreme power pays the enemy for the transit of gas to the enemies of Russia, turns grain deals with the enemy, the enemy fills his tanks and cars with oil from Russia .. Stalin, having completely limited opportunities and then at the beginning of the Second World War he bombed Berlin as an act of retaliation. I can imagine what Stalin would have turned into the centers of Nazism and fascism and military logistics in Germany at the beginning of the war, if he had the same technical capabilities to do this, what opportunities the Russian high command has today to do this with the centers of Nazism, fascism and military logistics in Ukraine.

[Maks1995]

Pulled over the ears.
ours regularly make raids with rockets. Another was declared "retaliation." The media was amused. And what?
From the beginning, they regularly report that the civilian population is dying ... Retribution?
occasionally they will report that someone was hit there. Who should be hit.

Real life is full of examples of deceit. We won’t call for any trials of mercenaries, tribunals, we won’t attack, the moon is in 2015, we won’t raise it, we won’t change it, we’ll substitute imports, ... everyone is already used to it and everyone understands everything ...

[Ryaruav]

the author show the source where Hitler declared Marinesco a personal enemy, no need to voice myths here

[Oleg Zorin]

Yes, the authors here are full of myths, distortions, etc.

[Fabrizio]

Well, if they cling to everything, then the author lied here too

It was her soldiers who first tortured for a long time, and then publicly hanged the partisan Hero of the Soviet Union Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya. And abused her already dead. The order not to take the soldiers of the division prisoner was given personally by Joseph Stalin, and the order was carried out.

even on VO there was an article that Zoya was not tortured, well, Stalin's order also does not exist
https://topwar.ru/208987-o-podvige-zoi-kosmodemjanskoj.html

[Aviator_]

It was the first and only to this day in the history of mankind the use of atomic weapons against the population. The effect was amazing - the blow of retribution exceeded all expectations. Humanity shuddered. Pearl Harbor has been avenged and millions of Americans' vengeance has been satisfied

This is the result of the American post-war propaganda, when they were nuclear weapons monopolists for a while. That's where they all got scared. The Japanese themselves took the destruction of their two smaller cities calmly against the backdrop of the bombing of Tokyo. Yes, and Nagasaki, due to the terrain, suffered less than Hiroshima. I read that there was one Japanese who, after he came under an atomic attack in Hiroshima, went to Nagasaki and again robbed. And the article is good, respect to the authors.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

What TsIPSOshniki: scary? And I'm
I have not yet written for what purposes and how much ...

[Million]

Agree, today we really miss the new Levitan, whose every word was believed by everyone.

Yes, Konashenkov was not standing nearby.

[Oleg Zorin]

[quoteAnd they almost threw them back into the waters of the Atlantic as a result of the counter-offensive in the Ardennes in December 1944.] [/ quote] I could not read further. How to say "lie, but know the measure"

[Sheridan]

And why then did they ask Stalin to speed up the offensive (to suck out of the Ardennes)? Lied, but proudly blew his pants?

[Negro]

Quote: sheridans

Why then did they ask Stalin to speed up the offensive

And they asked to speed up the offensive?

If anyone got lucky with the Ardennes, it's Comrade Stalin.

[bratchanin]

Retribution should be without options!

[Glagol1]

The main revenge of the striped Japs is Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In exactly 2 bombings, they squandered as much as they themselves lost in the entire 2MB. We are in the course of NWO almonds. That is why the ukrovermacht and the political elite are so grumpy. The ideal revenge for the Crimean bridge would be a massive strike with daggers on the government quarter in Kyiv. On a weekday. During business hours. That would be revenge.

[Ulum]

Quote: Fitter65

Quote: Lech from Android.

When the Ukronazis throw your relatives shot by them into the ravine, I will look at your comments later.

And you are calm for your own, that is, you are not afraid of these very Ukronats. The question immediately arises, why? and the answer is immediately on the surface ... No, no, of course, not because you are in the advanced trenches of the LBS, and not because, together with the Wagner fighters, you are destroying them in Artyomovsk. After all, you are not there and it is not expected that you will be there !!!

Hero what? What battles did he participate in?.A lover of the Ukronats, a computer general? You don't even know anything about the person you tell him what to write and what not. Yap.

[kakvastam]

Or will we wait until the strategic American bomber will no longer turn around 200 miles from St. Petersburg-Petrograd-Leningrad?

And why shouldn't he turn around after the launch of the missiles? It would be better not to bring it to launch.
But checks for lice go one after another with the same result, so that the enemy has not been worried about any retribution for a long time.

[zenion]

For the mess in the Russian army, you need to hit Ukraine with a weapon of retaliation. Not according to Yeltsin, but according to Ukraine.

[Lewww]

And only for this they were the addressee of the action of sacred revenge. As a rule, they were not taken prisoner. They knew this very well, calling themselves "suitors of death." Of the German infantry divisions, only one became the addressee of revenge - the 197th Infantry.

How long can this story be repeated?
During the battle, the soldiers did not ask the Nazis what division they were from, and they were destroyed or taken prisoner depending on various circumstances (including their own hatred of the Nazis - sometimes even those who surrendered were deliberately killed)

[Lewww]

Upon learning of the death of the bride, the young lieutenant, of course, burned with a frantic thirst for revenge. The command took advantage of his emotional state and offered to lead a group of saboteurs-avengers. He readily agreed.

also looks very much like a bike

VO in terms of publications is quickly turning into zen - sad

[BAI]

The order not to take the soldiers of the division prisoner was given personally by Joseph Stalin, and the order was carried out.

The order not to take prisoner applied only to the regiment, and not to the entire division

[Lewww]

And abused her already dead. The order not to take the soldiers of the division prisoner was given personally by Joseph Stalin, and the order was carried out.

To date, no one has presented such an order from Stalin - this is one of the tales repeated by the townsfolk.

The authors of the article collected a tale - VO turns into Zen

[Bogalex]

In my opinion, the authors themselves came up with a fairy tale, put it in the title of the article and sincerely believe in it.
For example, the

The Americans took revenge on the Japanese from the bottom of their hearts for the Japanese air raid on Pearl Harbor. ‹…› They literally burned with a thirst for revenge.
It became clear that the opening of the Second Front (which the Anglo-Saxons had avoided for so long) was indispensable.

How are these events related?

[Illanatol]

Quote: Old electrician

Let's start with the fact that in 1945 Japan did not have an absolute monarchy. In 1889, the Meiji constitution was adopted in Japan, which lasted until 1947. In 1945, Japan had a constitutional monarchy of a completely modern English type.

There has never been a constitutional monarchy in Great Britain, because there was not and is not a constitution.
It was not in Japan either. Feudal, in fact, the political system, covered with a screen of parliamentarism.

Quote: Old electrician

The main trump card of Japan was the Kwantung Army, which controlled the resources of modern China and Korea. It was Japan's military and economic base on the Asian continent.

The Japanese even had a plan to evacuate the mikado and the government to the location of the Kwantung Army in the event that the Yankees occupied Japan itself (on submarines).
Atomic bombings could not have a significant impact on the determination to continue resistance. Japan had its own atomic program and its specialists in nuclear physics. Therefore, they understood that it was impossible then even for the Yankees to establish mass production of nuclear weapons.
Indeed, the development of material for the first batch of 4 atomic bombs took more than a year. One was blown up at the training ground, two were dropped, the last one the Yankees managed to lose along with the warship on which it was transported. Those. The Yankees no longer have nuclear weapons.
It was the loss of the last resource base on the continent that forced Japan to capitulate. It was impossible to fight without metal and energy carriers.

[Negro]

Quote: Illanatol

a plan for the evacuation of the mikado and the government to the location of the Kwantung Army in the event of the Yankee occupation of Japan itself (on submarines).

Quote: Illanatol

It was the loss of the last resource base on the continent that forced Japan to capitulate. It was impossible to fight without metal and energy carriers.

Oh those historians.

And will you also deliver all this junk to the islands on submarines? Or could your Manchurian industry independently provide the third world war, after the loss of the islands?

[Volunteer Marek]

I wholeheartedly agree with the author. And, it does not matter that many blows are late. The main thing is that they are. And they would be very painful. It is especially important to state this as loudly as possible, and not be bashfully silent. Although Israel's tactics are also effective, they hit without comment. But, there is another case - the public opinion of the West is for them. We have a different situation.

[75 Sergey]

The problem is that the forelocks don't care about the letter X for us and for their own.
Something else is needed here.

[Private SA]

"V-2" in the Ministry of Propaganda of the Third Reich was called the "Weapon of Retribution",
launching on London. Yes, but it did not help Germany in World War II.
Now the only retaliatory strike will be the launch of strategic intercontinental
ballistic missiles, the system recently mentioned in one of the forum articles
"Dead Hand" We all urgently need to review the movie "Terminator 2".

[Private SA]

Quote: Illanatol

One was blown up at the training ground, two were dropped, the last one the Yankees managed to lose along with the warship on which it was transported.

Still, it is believed that on the Indianapolis cruiser, sunk by a Japanese submarine,
there was no other atomic bomb. Neither in the memoirs of Leslie Groves, nor in Oppenheimer's book -
no hint. And Samuel Eliot Morrison in The American Navy in World War II
also no hoo-hoo. And serious journalists have not heard about it either.

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

Punishment strikes must be resonant. In this I fully agree with the author. And at the same time, not necessarily on military, political or economic objects. For example, some temple of the Bandera-Nazis of the Great Patriotic War, located within the reach of the Iskander OTR. A half-ton warhead of this OTP will leave a funnel in place of this temple.
Waste of high-precision weapons? Don't tell. If you do this and declare that the destruction of ANY memorial signs to Bandero-Nazis to zero will be Russia's strategy, then this will be a very strong psychological blow to the Reich's coming out.

[Negro]

Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100

Waste of high-precision weapons? Don't tell. If you do this and declare that the destruction of ANY memorial signs to Bandero-Nazis to zero will be Russia's strategy, then this will be a very strong psychological blow to the Reich's coming out.

A monument to Bandera will be erected at every intersection. Exchanging Iskander for a couple of cubic meters of concrete is just the deal of the century.

[acetophenone]

Retribution, you say? Stop retaliating!
The blow of retaliation must be preemptive.

[odisey3000]

The author of the article correctly identified the topic - there is only one message, until then. But otherwise, the facts cited by the author are simply sucked from the finger, this is from the field of patriotic myths and legends. And if specifically, this is the destruction of Dzhokhar Dudayev by an aviation missile in Chechnya, the elimination of Bandera in Munich, the creation of a commission on the investigation of the crimes of the Nazis on the territory of the USSR, the trials of Nazi criminals in the post-war period, the meaning is clear, no one has escaped responsibility for their atrocities, this is not a quick process, but it should be inevitable. But for some reason our state is very reluctant and sluggishly working in in this direction, which creates the impression among citizens that, by and large, nothing is being done, except for chatter. This is all from poor informing citizens, work is being done, but.

[BorzRio]

It was possible not to write a whole article about nothing with examples, but simply write - we demand retaliation strikes!

[AVESSALOM]

There shouldn’t be retaliation strikes, but planned work to destroy the enemy. They hit transformers with expensive missiles (conditionally), so what? We sat for a day without electricity in some places and that’s all.

[Lapa]

The correct "retribution strike" against Ukraine is the total liquidation of the state apparatus, which is the skeleton of this "Frankenstein". The task is not easy and it will take more than one year to solve it. We must be patient.
And the common people do not care who pays taxes - "if only there was no war" ©.