And I want, and oh, how prickly!

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And I want, and oh, how prickly!

Since Russia has finally been crossed out by American experts from among potential adversaries in the sky, China remains, which, according to experts, poses a threat in the first place, with the growing number of its aircraft.

The United States recognizes that today China is ahead of them in terms of the pace and quantity of output. Winning the arms race in terms of quantity from China is unrealistic, so the US Air Force decided to play on the quality and duration of the service life. Of course, the golden dream is to create an aircraft that will be relevant and combat-ready, if not like the B-52, then at least approximately.



What is it about? The bet is made on the sixth generation fighter Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD).

Moreover, this time we have witnessed an unprecedented event: for the first time, the US Air Force has accurately indicated how many aircraft they want to receive in the end and for how much in terms of money.

Frank Kendall, US Secretary of the Air Force, said the US Air Force wants at least 200 NGAD fighters. Moreover, Kendall announced another figure: each NGAD fighter must fly as part of a link of two unmanned vehicles, with which NGAD will jointly carry out combat missions. But in general, the military-industrial complex was tasked with creating a fleet of 1000 attack unmanned vehicles, some of which must be able to operate with F-35 fighters.

That is, by the declared milestone, the US Air Force should have a fleet of 1200 new manned and unmanned aerial vehicles, which will form the basis of the strike power of the US Air Force in the future.

Plans, at first glance, are daunting. But, as usual, there are a lot of nuances here, so you just need to think about this: what about the money?

No, no one doubts that there is a lot of money in the USA. There will be little - they will draw. However, already today, after talking with the guys from Lockheed Martin, who, as usual, do not say anything plainly, many experts like Mizokami and Trevithick, respected by us, are already concluding: NGAD will be a very effective aircraft. Well, it's super efficient.

And just as expensive.

Probably NGAD will be the most expensive fighter to be built. Surprise? Here I am not very. There is nothing to be surprised if the “manufacturers” of one well-known country buy Drones on Aliexpress for 100 conventional units, and they sell for 400, then God himself ordered such a monster as the American military-industrial complex to make money on such a project from the heart.

What they can do, we all know from stories very efficient, but very expensive F-22 aircraft.

What do we know about NGAD?


It was officially announced by the same Kendall that the NGAD would be the first sixth-generation fighter designed to fight China in the Pacific. The fighter will also fly unmanned vehicles, each of which will cost more than the F-35. And NGAD will have to begin replacing the F-22 Raptor no later than 2030. In terms of cost, it was cautiously said that the aircraft would cost "several hundred million dollars," two or three times the cost of the F-35. And escort drones will cost half as much as the crewed version.

Kendall's phrase about "several hundred million dollars" excites the imagination to the fullest. After all, a few hundred is 200, 300, and 500!

The $200 million cost of a single NGAD would easily make a crewed aircraft the most expensive fighter jet of all time. However, Kendall's announcement leaves a lot of wiggle room in that the plane could actually cost upwards of $300 million.

For reference, the F-35A costs $77 million, while the updated F-15EX "Super Eagle" costs $80 million. If a crewed NGAD costs $300 million and an unmanned version costs $150 million, then almost six F-35As can be bought for the same money.

In general, there is something to think about.

But according to the projects, NGAD is fundamentally different from the F-35A. The F-35A was developed in the 1990s as a cost-effective replacement for several fighters, including the F/A-18C, AV-8B "Harrier" (carrier-based version of the F-35B), F-16 and A-10 "Thunderbolt".

The F-35 was designed to perform several roles, including traditional air defense fighter roles, air-to-ground strike roles, and close air support. The new fighter is an improvement over the F-22A "Raptor", the world's first fifth-generation fighter designed exclusively for the mission of gaining air superiority.

We (what we, even in the US) know little about NGAD, except that the creation program was launched quite recently. Since American designers began work on the F-22 and F-35, the situation in the world has changed a lot, the guidelines and threats to the United States have changed.

Since China has been declared a threat today, this primarily means combat missions over the wide expanses of the Asia-Pacific region. The war with Beijing will involve moving tactical aviation for thousands of kilometers, working from remote bases equipped on small islands or from the decks of aircraft carriers.

In general, everything that the US naval and army aviation did during the Second World War. Nothing new and supernatural.

What is the essence of NGAD? Definitely, the aircraft should have a significantly larger combat radius than its predecessors. This will make it possible to patrol vast areas, protecting the routes of movement of American ships in the Pacific Ocean and covering the American and Japanese bases on the islands. For example. And the long range should make it possible to easily fly around Chinese warships with long-range anti-aircraft missiles.

The F-35 can't do that, but that's not what the F-35 was designed for. The F-22, however, can't do that either, although that's what the F-22 was designed for in the first place.

What will NGAD look like? Stephen Trimble, defense editor at Aviation Week & Space Technology, laid out some of the ideas on the Check Six podcast. Trimble suggests that the NGAD is a long-range fighter with the ability to cruise at extreme altitudes of more than 20 km, that is, much higher than current fighters. Naturally, supersonic, with elements of stealth.


However, Trimble rightly believes that the new fighter will be large. Even very big ones. Previous generation fighters used external fuel tanks to extend their range in combat missions, allowing tankers in the air to stay out of enemy spawn areas. However, the external suspension of the fuel tanks and weapons breaks the aircraft's stealthy profile, making it much more visible to radar. As a result, NGAD will have to store a large amount of fuel and air-to-air missiles under the skin, in the fuselage of the aircraft.


In general, Kendall spoke, Trimble listened attentively, and the entire Air Force Association conference was silently shizela with plans. In general, there is something. The smell of billions of dollars - it will make anyone dizzy.

But there is a small aspect that changes, if not everything, then a lot.

And who said that 200 planes and 1000 drones is all? No, not all! If you carefully read what Kendall said, then he was talking about some kind of “spearhead”! You understand what the point is, right? 200 + 1000 is the tip of the Air Force spear, capable of hitting any enemy, even China, even Russia.

However, this does not mean at all that all other US Air Force improvement programs will be abandoned! That is, deck-based F-35В will be built, new (because they are almost new) F-15EX too. We will talk about the F-15EX in the very near future, the aircraft is interesting in many ways, including the price, because it overtook the F-35 in this.

In total, 1200 new aircraft, but only 200 manned aircraft. Great program. The basic "spearhead", which will destroy the defense of any enemy, and then the F-35, F-15, F-16 will go into action, which will simply bring the matter to its logical conclusion.

And all you need for this is (we use a calculator), counting only the development and construction of aircraft ... well, about 250 billion dollars.

Considering that the US military budget for 2023 consists of $850 billion, this is tolerable. 250 billion will be stretched over 7-10 years, so everything is quite real!

Yes, Kendall voiced the numbers as "conditional" and "somewhat arbitrary." And we all know perfectly well that any plans are subject to correction if necessary, but: all these equivocals are made with only one purpose. Confuse your own and confuse everyone else.

There are many smart and experienced people in the US Air Force, and therefore, I think that they simply do not want to show their cards to the last. The figure "200" refers to the minimum number of aircraft required to achieve maximum air superiority in any scenario anywhere in the world.

How many of them there will be in reality is another question over which not only analysts, but also intelligence officers should rack their brains.

In general, the idea is not bad. A long-range fighter, with good weapons and range, next to which two drones will fly, which can be used in any way. Additional launchers, radars and sensors, electronic warfare equipment. All types that the aircraft can carry, only in independent units.


In general, the tactics of "flying magazines" are very good in this design, because the long-range fighter will be forced to abandon external suspensions in order to reduce the radar signature.

The use of "assistants", which will enhance the combat capabilities of the aircraft, is a very good move. Everything that was shown in the twenty-year-old film "Stealth" in another ten years can easily become a reality.

All it takes is a quarter trillion dollars and some work.

But the Air Force's appetites go further. After all, if you carefully calculate, then 1000 drones and 200 aircraft somehow do not count that way. For 1 aircraft, 2 drones is 400 UAVs. Where do you order the rest?

In addition to NGAD, 300 F-35 Lightning II fighters will also receive two UAVs each. Unlike the NGADs, which are likely to be pure air-to-air fighters, the F-35 is air-to-ground capable. This suggests that these drones will have air-to-ground capabilities, although it is possible that this force of 300 F-35s will primarily perform air superiority missions in support of NGAD fighters.

This version is supported by the relatively small number of F-35s that will work with UAVs. The Air Force began purchasing F-35s in 2007 and plans to purchase 1 F-763s by 35. That is, just in time for the beginning of the implementation of the NGAD program. It is possible that these 2034 F-300s will be later models modified to fly UAVs, as no UAV control hardware or software is currently installed on production F-35s.

In general, the US Air Force reinforcement program looks sane. In theory. How and what practice will show - we will see. Perhaps NGAD will be a breakthrough, or perhaps another F-22.

In any case, the aircraft will be built. How it will fly and whether it will eventually be sold to the Americans - time will tell.
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  1. -1
    17 March 2023 04: 36
    Okay, we are, but the Chinese are clearly able to master the satellite detection of aircraft, which is optical or otherwise. And where a sane fighter has a chance to evade, a mega-fighter will have much thinner chances. KMK.
    1. +10
      17 March 2023 04: 55
      These are only plans that really smell like multi-billion dollar money!
      1. +1
        17 March 2023 07: 21
        The rich have their own quirks ... we can only hope that China will not use Russia as a proxy for the Cold War -3 with the West.
        1. +26
          17 March 2023 08: 25
          Quote: Civil
          The rich have their own quirks ... we can only hope that China will not use Russia as a proxy for the Cold War -3 with the West.

          Already uses.)))
        2. +6
          17 March 2023 20: 39
          Most likely it will. And perhaps already ... we need to deal with economics and science. Only a country with industrial power can hope to defend its interests and that it will not be "used". The most important thing is the industrial and scientific strength of the state. This is the root from which the well-being of citizens and the international authority and strength of the army grow. Without this, no way.
  2. +7
    17 March 2023 04: 49
    Well, as usual, we are in the role of catching up. All the same, China and the United States, after the collapse of the USSR, have gone far from us.
    1. +13
      17 March 2023 04: 57
      Quote from: General_Hammel1
      gone far from us.

      Gone .... Flew away!
      1. -9
        17 March 2023 05: 39
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote from: General_Hammel1
        gone far from us.

        Gone .... Flew away!

        Where to?
        In Star Wars or what?
        American poker masters... will create an inflated invincible fighter and PR natives around the world about its unsurpassed qualities.
        The war with the military machine of the Ukronazis showed the overly exaggerated role of aviation in modern warfare ... Air defense does not allow modern fighters to turn around to the full extent of their souls ... they shoot down on the way.
        Therefore, when you are dealing with the United States, you need to double-check what kind of bullshit they are pushing around the world ... otherwise it will turn out like with the American UAV Reaper near the Crimea ... they pissed on kerosene and drowned.
        1. +35
          17 March 2023 06: 46
          Yeah. And their "Himars" are inflated - they do not affect anything in any way. Both satellite reconnaissance and AWACS ... All this does not play against our caps.
          1. -13
            17 March 2023 11: 29
            Hymers's own blast. Not better than Hurricane, but what a hype! I'm telling you as an artilleryman.
          2. -5
            17 March 2023 15: 32
            If they fought outright with mattresses, there would still be another conversation against Advances and against the satellite constellation
        2. +26
          17 March 2023 08: 49
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The war against the military machine of the Ukronazis has shown the overestimated role of aviation in modern warfare...

          More precisely, our aviation is incapable of modern warfare.
          1. +12
            17 March 2023 13: 18
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            our aviation is incapable of modern warfare.

            They even came up with: Shooting from a roll-up, not from a good life!
          2. +5
            17 March 2023 20: 42
            Right. It is the weakness of aviation that fails this conflict. I don’t know what the problem is in hardware or in management. I think this and that. All this fuss on earth is the failure of the VKS.
        3. 0
          17 March 2023 08: 57
          20 Hymars turned their course around, so not everything is so clear
          1. -7
            17 March 2023 11: 31
            20 MLRS cannot turn anything over.
            1. +8
              17 March 2023 11: 37
              Quote: stankow
              20 MLRS cannot turn anything over.

              The destruction of the Antonovsky bridge, and the "regrouping" for the Dnieper - do you think they can do nothing? Aren't you tired of yelling?
              1. +2
                17 March 2023 13: 49
                The retreat beyond the Dnieper and Haymars are practically not connected with each other.
                1. +7
                  17 March 2023 14: 03
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  The retreat beyond the Dnieper and Haymars are practically not connected with each other.

                  How not related, Andrew? The bridge was practically the only way to supply the bridgehead across the Dnieper. And after it was defeated, "our" amazing leaders, frightened by the difficulties, decided that it would be easier to defend beyond the river.
                  True, there is another version that the abandonment of the bridgehead was part of an agreement at the top, as well as the abandonment of the Kharkov region. And the bridge was a suggestion. And by the way, this version is not without meaning.
                  But we can only guess what it was - complete unprofessionalism and indifference, or betrayal. hi
                  1. +7
                    17 March 2023 20: 01
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    How not related, Andrew? The bridge was practically the only way to supply the bridgehead across the Dnieper. And after it was defeated, "our" amazing leaders, frightened by the difficulties, decided that it would be easier to defend beyond the river.

                    It was MUCH easier there. The Ukrainians gathered a large mob and went on the offensive. There were few of us on the other side of the Dnieper for normal defense, so they retreated beyond the Dnieper.
                    The bottom line is that our INITIALLY rushed to fight, not having enough strength for this, in the hope that the enemy would be frightened and run away. But he did not scatter, but raised a bunch of waves of mobilization, and that's ... the result. Moreover, ours blundered there not in the fact that they retreated, but in the fact that they overslept the concentration of the enemy, and retreated too late hi
                2. +2
                  21 March 2023 00: 06
                  Indeed, and this is not Himari, all the BC warehouses in the region were systematically taken out for two months, and in parallel, the bridges were also riddled, which is why Kherson had to be left. You live in an interesting reality
              2. -4
                17 March 2023 15: 55
                60-70 Hymers missiles hit the Antonovsky Bridge, and what's the point, the bridge is standing !!
            2. 0
              21 March 2023 00: 04
              Tell this to the Russian soldiers who departed at night along the crossings of their Kherson
          2. +5
            17 March 2023 20: 48
            Yes, everything is clear here. There can be no strong army without science and industry. After all, the point is not how many Hymers were 20 or 200, but in intelligence, communications and target designation. But you can’t show these things on Red Square at the parade, and if so, then why are they needed at all?
        4. +24
          17 March 2023 11: 14
          The "exaggerated role of aviation" is only because Russia's aviation itself is significantly underestimated. As well as the amount of modern ammunition for it. In general, thanks to the efforts of effective owners, everything in Russia is underestimated. They created the T-90, Terminators, Tosy, but it turns out that the T-62 and the motorcycle league are victory machines.

          If Russia had the correct aviation ammunition, with appropriate support, the role of aviation would also be noticeable. There would be adjustable bombs, and planning bombs that can be dropped from heights outside the heights of MANPADS, could work in the MANPADS coverage area. If there were anti-radar missiles - large air defense would be extinguished, there would be good satellite reconnaissance and AWACS aircraft en masse - all air defense would have been knocked out long ago. Well, for guided bombs and missiles, there should be a developed GLONASS satellite system plus satellite Internet to communicate with them over long distances. And so - two technically backward countries are fighting to their neighbors for fun, and complain that a rusty sword is ineffective, but it breaks in their hands. And it was not necessary to rust it for 30 years!
          1. +8
            17 March 2023 13: 50
            Quote: Hagakure
            And so - two technically backward countries are fighting with their neighbors for fun, and complain that a rusty sword is ineffective, but it breaks in their hands. And it was not necessary to rust it for 30 years!

            Can not argue with that...
          2. +1
            17 March 2023 20: 54
            And here again .. terminators and toses. Extremely controversial and extremely unnecessary cars. Instead of terminators, it would be better if normal BTR-BMPs were developed and purchased. CBT.. any RSO will do the same job better and safer for itself. At the expense of aviation in general, everything is sad. And the saddest thing is that military-scientific thought on the use of aviation is not visible. Amers at least analyze .. take the same unit "Wild caresses". We don't have anything like that.
          3. +11
            17 March 2023 23: 18
            A great example is Hymars. It really is no better than the Hurricane in anything, except for little things:
            - hits because GPS
            - looks like a truck for imperfect reconnaissance
            - does not require a special loading machine, which greatly changes the logistics
          4. +4
            19 March 2023 01: 04
            Would Russia have a leadership concerned not with the volume of exports from
            countries of oil, gas, diamonds and other riches, and the development of their own science and production, then there would be the right aviation and tanks and MLRS ....
            Firstly, the correct leadership would not "asked Ukraine so mediocrely, and therefore it would not have had to be won back from NATO.
        5. -1
          18 March 2023 10: 58
          Any information from any sources must be double-checked and analyzed (the simplest principle is who benefits). "The war against the war machine of the Ukronazis" so far only shows how it happens when they act according to the saying - and climb the tree and not scratch your ass. Naturally, this refers to the "ruling" cluster.
        6. 0
          18 March 2023 13: 53
          APU on aircraft has old weapons, so they climb under air defense. but would the missiles / bombs be more long-range
        7. -1
          26 May 2023 22: 54
          The war with the military machine of the Ukronazis showed the overly exaggerated role of aviation in modern warfare ... Air defense does not allow modern fighters to turn around to the full extent of their souls ... they shoot down on the way.
          Alas.. you are wrong.
          The problem in Ukraine showed that our Air Force is still rather weak, they do not have the ability to endure and bang the enemy's air defense .. and the "philanthropy" of our leadership is superimposed on this. Our military is limited in the choice of targets and means of destruction.
          Even housewives ask why the bridges in Ukraine are intact.
          And yes
          We are waging an NWO, practically a war, but we are waging some strange methods.
          Remember how amers fought wars in Yugoslavia and Iraq - so the offensive of the Air Force lasted for weeks !!! There, the CD worked in full.
          And after the planned targets were destroyed, only then did the ground forces go forward.
          What do we have??? And we were preparing the VTA for landing. We have not implemented an air offensive.

          June 22.06.1941, XNUMX - WWII begins.
          07.08.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX - bombers take off for Berlin.
          but right now ... but right now we don’t have a war, right now we have a NWO ... although propaganda broadcasts from every iron that the war is for the Fatherland.
      2. +9
        17 March 2023 07: 04
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote from: General_Hammel1
        gone far from us.

        Gone .... Flew away!

        Yes, they didn’t “fly away” from us anywhere.
        With due attention and funding, the Su-57 with the "product 30" would already be part of the Air Force. Let them be inferior to the Americans in quantity, but they would definitely surpass the Chinese in all respects, and the Americans in speed and maneuverability.

        To Article:
        The United States admits that today China is ahead of them in terms of the pace and quantity of output.

        Where does this information come from?
        F35s are already over nine hundred, with a maximum possible production of about two hundred per year.
        J20s were riveted at just under two hundred, with a maximum output of twenty-five a year. What is called, feel the difference ...
        Plans, at first glance, are daunting.

        Who? Have "democratic" senators?
        In general, there is something to think about.

        Yes, there is something to think about. Our irreconcilable opponents are still (just like during the Cold War) rapidly updating their Navy and Air Force, investing huge funds in this. With might and main there are programs for the design and testing of maritime surface / underwater and air drones. How will we respond to all this in 10-15 years? That's what you should think about, and not count the money in the pockets of the Pentagon and "marvel" at the cost of the still unbuilt NGAD ...
        1. +3
          17 March 2023 07: 49
          Quote: Doccor18
          How will we respond to all this in 10-15 years? Here's something to think about

          That's it ! One should not dream and hope for "partners", but remember the old song: "We are peaceful people, but our armored train is standing on a siding." An arms race - no, a reasonable precaution.
          1. +17
            17 March 2023 08: 35
            Quote: Egoza
            "We are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the siding."

            For our "armored train" to exist, it is necessary to develop our industrial potential, and with this we have ... Today we can only say with certainty that we are moving from a raw material appendage of Europe to a raw material appendage of China.
            1. -1
              17 March 2023 09: 16
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Today we can only say with certainty that we are moving from Europe's raw material appendage to China's raw material appendage.

              Yesterday I listened to Sergei Mikheev, just on this topic. Prime Minister M. Mishustin gathered 15 political scientists and talked with them for 5 hours on the situation inside Russia. I recommend you take a look.
              https://dzen.ru/media/mikheev/mne-vstrecha-s-mishustinym-ponravilas-641072eeb77d9f57f55ef33f
              1. +9
                17 March 2023 10: 21
                Quote: South Ukrainian
                https://dzen.ru/media/mikheev/mne-vstrecha-s-mishustinym-ponravilas-641072eeb77d9f57f55ef33f

                A certain Serg Serg wrote a good comment there "Well, yes, Mikheev spoke very well about the meeting.))) What was it about? Well, Mishustin is a good person. Everyone at the top knows and is working "on this" .... Everyone."
                For 30 years, have you not tired of hearing that "Everything is generally good with us, although there are some shortcomings. We are working on the shortcomings and will certainly correct them."? You can accept beautiful programs like "strategy 2020", you can talk a lot about them, then accept other equally beautiful programs, but the industrial potential of the Russian Federation does not develop from this. The country's industry is developing from real deeds, and not from beautiful programs, but there were no deeds, and there never will be! What is the credit rate for industrialists? What is the tax for industrialists? Etc. etc. Now military enterprises are going bankrupt, is this also for the development of industry?
                1. -12
                  17 March 2023 11: 43
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  For 30 years you are not tired of hearing that “Everything is good with us in general, although there are some shortcomings.

                  Wait, you want to say that nothing is being done, but only money is being "sawed"? Remember the 90s and what has been done over the past 23 years. Of course, these are not Soviet pre-war five-year plans, but there is a definite result. Not everyone is happy with what is being done, but in order to criticize, you yourself have to supervise something, it’s not for you personally, but just like that. In general, a very extensive topic for discussion, ranging from the socio-political system of today's Russia and ending with the characteristics of the personal qualities of a modern person. Sorry for the complexity of the last phrase, I meant that today, under capitalism, people are completely different.
                  1. +5
                    17 March 2023 12: 16
                    In the 90s, the price of oil was an average of 15-18 dollars per barrel! And in the 2000s $150 feel the difference!
                  2. +7
                    17 March 2023 13: 04
                    Quote: South Ukrainian
                    Wait, you want to say that nothing is being done, but only money is being "sawed"? Remember the 90s and what has been done over the past 23 years.

                    The USSR restored the industry after the Second World War in 8 (!) years, but what has been done in 23 years? I don't see any new factories like KAMAZ. Restored microelectronics, machine tool? No!
                    Quote: South Ukrainian
                    but in order to criticize, you yourself have to lead something, it’s not for you personally, but in this way.

                    Yeah, like, let's not criticize the bosses, they lead a lot.))) Under the USSR, all of them, at best, would have led a brigade at a logging site.
                    Quote: South Ukrainian
                    Sorry for the complexity of the last phrase, I meant that today, under capitalism, people are completely different

                    Well, "Social being determines social consciousness".)))
                  3. 0
                    18 March 2023 13: 34
                    It is better not to talk about what has been done over the past 23 years. Now they can go to jail for an honest analysis. I remember 90 well. If at that moment there was a certain political force that would change the vector of self-destruction to development, the potential for this would be huge (industrial, professional, and including personal). In the fact that people are completely different, I absolutely agree with you. I do not agree with the fact that in our country capitalism. Every year the existing system and society are more and more like feudalism.
                    1. 0
                      24 March 2023 05: 22
                      Well, what kind of feudalism are you? No, capitalism in all its vileness, with nuances, but capitalism.
                      We read Twain, he has a lot to understand the ESSENCE of capitalism, but the essence is simply robbery, deceit and tax evasion, and everything is multiplied by embellishments of reality.
                      Moreover, in each country there are nuances, but the essence is the same - with expensive resources and the inability to rob the cap, the system does not work and the beautiful picture fades.
            2. +9
              17 March 2023 10: 49
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Today we can only say with certainty that we are moving from Europe's raw material appendage to China's raw material appendage.


              Of course, China needs raw materials, but the question arises - why does Russia need a trailer for this raw material? Isn't it easier, for example, to take and revise "unequal treaties"? To return Siberia to its native harbor - well, like Crimea.
              1. +4
                17 March 2023 11: 14
                Quote from: Barmaglot_07
                Return Siberia to its native harbor
                And China is more ambitious than you think - it does not need Siberia separately, it needs all of Russia, not part of it, even more ...
                The Chinese leadership is fundamentally different from the Russian one in that it has a much longer planning horizon, decades.
                And he believes that the decline of Russia will continue and all of it, completely, will become dependent on China as another province.
                At the same time, decorative statehood may well be preserved for some time.
                1. +2
                  17 March 2023 11: 53
                  Quote: aars
                  At the same time, decorative statehood may well be preserved for some time.


                  Those. will a bloc of communists and non-party people in unison, with a turnout of 99.3%, vote for the viceroy sent from Beijing? Well...maybe.
                  1. +1
                    18 March 2023 01: 44
                    Quote from: Barmaglot_07
                    Those. will a bloc of communists and non-party people in unison, with a turnout of 99.3%, vote for the viceroy sent from Beijing? Well...maybe.

                    Are you delusional? Why should the communists think today's China is a communist state?
                    1. -1
                      18 March 2023 13: 37
                      China is much closer to communism than the Communist Party led by Zyuganov
              2. -7
                17 March 2023 11: 29
                There, the population density is such that even a couple of loaves will lead to massive vaporization and a huge mountain of ash. Take away Siberia from the gas station - deprive it of its livelihood. Here Faberge will appear instantly.
                1. -3
                  17 March 2023 11: 52
                  Quote: Essex62
                  There, the population density is such that even a couple of loaves will lead
                  That's it!
                  And that is why Mao once said that for China, a nuclear war is not only not terrible, but even useful.
                  The loss of several hundred million does not frighten the Chinese leadership at all.
                  1. 0
                    18 March 2023 02: 02
                    Mao is from another play. These are eternally hungry, devoid of mouths, which, in fact, are not pitiful to the top. In China, it is generally not customary to protect people, tradition, mentality. But ... The differences between the current Chinese huckster commanders and ours or, for example, German , not at all today. They are dependent on that part of the population who provide their well-being and power, but they do not want to turn into ashes. If there were such Maoist sentiments in the leadership of China, a 2-3 million army would have been stomping across Siberia and the Far East for a long time. They are not blind, they see that we are not talking about anything in the convention.

                    Threat cons, as I understand it, they were thrown by those who do not believe in wrestlers at all and believe that they agree to go broke to zero. Give away the pipe on which, for 30 years now, the prosperity and power of the Russian bourgeoisie has been based.fool:
                2. +2
                  17 March 2023 14: 15
                  The population density in the PRC in the south and in the north, let's say, is different, significantly different.
                  1. 0
                    17 March 2023 21: 06
                    In the west and east of China, it also differs significantly. The highest density is in coastal areas and in the south.
                    1. 0
                      18 March 2023 02: 18
                      They are shoulder to shoulder, standing on one leg. That is where the loaves will fly. Where are the bourgeois and managers more.
                3. +1
                  24 March 2023 05: 30
                  Excuse me, but the north of China is still not crowded with people, in the northern regions the problem is simple and familiar people LEAVING to the south (especially young people).
                  For Hanzen, actually north of Beijing, we have the Norilsk region for the inhabitants of Russia beyond the Urals (those who are there to the west of the Urals).
                  The Han people do not like the climate there in Ordos and near our borders.
        2. 0
          17 March 2023 10: 13
          Quote: Doccor18
          With due attention and funding, the Su-57 with the "product 30" would already have been
          Would be if...
          But in real life no, never was, never will be.
          If yes, mushrooms would grow in the company!
          Maybe enough hat-bearing slogans?
          It's time to really look at things - to catch up and overtake us is not available.

          For many reasons, if only because the relevant frames died
          And there are no new ones.
          Therefore, the IL-112 turned out to be overweight despite all the computers, autocads, etc.
          1. 0
            22 March 2023 19: 02
            You name the consequences, not the causes.
        3. -1
          17 March 2023 20: 57
          There is no exact information on SU-57. And according to this, we are behind or ahead of the conversations are meaningless.
    2. -7
      17 March 2023 07: 21
      Gone? But except for the number of F-22s produced, the F-35 is also a very strange design, which still has a bunch of uncorrected defects. Only afterburner supersonic mode is worth something. Of course, he can fly supersonic, but not for long, 600 kilometers. After that, the destruction of the skin from overheating begins.
      1. +13
        17 March 2023 09: 45
        Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev
        Of course, he can fly supersonic, but not for long, 600 kilometers. After that, the destruction of the skin from overheating begins.
        The Tu-160 also begins warping of the skin from prolonged supersonic, but this worries few people. Why? Yes, because most aircraft switch to supersonic only to solve certain problems, and not for a simple flight, otherwise you won’t get enough fuel.
        1. +1
          17 March 2023 23: 21
          most aircraft go supersonic only for certain tasks, and not for simple flight


          Most, but not all. The 5th generation just means cruising supersonic, and not "get it in the jump" (on the afterburner). This is in addition to stealth technologies, which it is customary for us to ignore (stealth!), but they exist and, on occasion, will show themselves.
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      2. 0
        28 March 2023 17: 56
        Quote: Vyacheslav Ermolaev
        The F-35 is also a very strange design, which still has a bunch of uncorrected defects.
        And you, presumably, only the day before yesterday flew there as a co-pilot? Or did the NATO enemies tell you so, and you are used to taking the gentlemen's word for it?
    3. +6
      17 March 2023 10: 22
      well, yes .. on the Opel you can catch up with a BMW with a Mercedes .. though with a negative reduction in distance .. since for the positive, you need the volume and growth of the economy, science, education and technology - outstripping their growth or at least comparable, but about that for now " and there is no smell.
  3. -2
    17 March 2023 05: 16
    Captain Pete Mitchell (call sign "Maverick") easily shoots down fifth-generation fighters in an F-14. Why the sixth? Get the F-14 from storage, sand it, paint it. Strengthen the wiring with blue electrical tape. Add a fuel reset button to the dashboard. And that's it. The invincible fighter is ready.
    1. +4
      17 March 2023 09: 47
      Quote: sergo1914
      Retrieve F-14 from storage
      The F-14s were not stored, but purposefully destroyed in order to deprive Iran of a hypothetical source of spare parts for their F-14s.
  4. +7
    17 March 2023 05: 19
    The fighter will also fly unmanned vehicles, each of which will cost more than the F-35.

    Here, just now, all the thighs were cheated because of 50, and if (suddenly, unexpectedly, in spite of everything) China achieves outstanding success in the production of electronic warfare equipment?
    Yes, the world will suffocate from the stench that these “cunningly crafted rulers of the world” will raise in the event of a mass death (suddenly, unexpectedly, against all odds) of “well, very expensive products” that flew into neutral airspace near China ...
  5. -4
    17 March 2023 05: 51
    In general, why this aircraft carrier? Light and well-organized fighters will smash these monsters, which means we need escort fighters, that is, a whole fleet of aircraft and UAVs.
    1. Eug
      +5
      17 March 2023 06: 54
      As for me, the basis of the idea is a constantly spinning financial mill - but an unmanned tanker will be similar to this link, but you also need this, then another, etc., you can invent and "improve" endlessly, because the limit of perfection is unattainable. Maybe something sensible will be developed, but I think that this giant financial pump will be quietly curtailed like "Star Wars" - because there are no real breakthroughs.
    2. +1
      17 March 2023 07: 51
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      In general, why this aircraft carrier? Light and well-organized fighters will smash these monsters, which means we need escort fighters, that is, a whole fleet of aircraft and UAVs.

      Just last night, I read an interesting article. I'll post quotes here, and draw your own conclusions.
      According to the Chinese newspaper South China Morning Post, an important milestone has been reached in the development of military artificial intelligence: for the first time, a robot defeated a person in a maneuverable dogfight on real aircraft - and not in a computer simulation.

      The experiment used two small unmanned aircraft of the same type, capable of complex maneuvering and performing aerobatics. One drone was remotely controlled from the ground by an experienced military pilot. The second was under the control of the onboard artificial intelligence, physically based on the Nvidia Jetson TX-2 microprocessor.

      At the very beginning of the battle, the human pilot tried to get into the tail of the robot with a sharp maneuver. The artificial intelligence apparently predicted the pilot's actions, as it immediately dodged and sat on the tail of the man.

      Finally, ninety (90) seconds into the experiment, the human pilot admitted defeat.

      There has long been an undeclared "artificial pilot race" between China and the US. So, in 2020, the American company Heron Systems conducted air combat simulations, contrasting the self-learning program it developed with five experienced pilots who had combat experience on real F-16s. Artificial intelligence won a complete victory, defeating its human opponents in all five "duels".

      Less than a year later, Professor Jintao's Chinese research team repeated the American achievement - while learning much faster. If AI "Heron Systems" went through more than 4 billion simulation "sorties" in the process of its training, then the program of Professor Jintao was enough for only 800.000. That is, he trained 5.000 times faster than the American opponent.

      Interestingly, the US military recognizes the Chinese AI program as its critical rival. At the urging of the Pentagon, the US government banned California-based Nvidia Corp from exporting its most advanced chips to China.

      In general, in my opinion, "each bast in a line." And all this is just on the foreseeable horizon of 30-35gg
  6. -2
    17 March 2023 06: 12
    Since Russia was finally crossed out by American specialists from among potential adversaries in the sky,
    And you can try to pluck the vulture or burn down its entire habitat, completely, completely.
  7. -6
    17 March 2023 06: 18
    A very interesting article, but their 6th generation fighter will fly a couple of attack drones, like our su-57 ??? Plus, the Su 57 was also developed with the ability to work without a crew .... Within 3-5 years, our drying will have an attack drone hunter as part of the link, a good engine is put on it from the same Su 57 of the first stage
    1. 0
      19 March 2023 04: 58
      our su-57 ??? Plus, the Su 57 was also developed with the ability to work without a crew

      We have the SU-67, we missed it and have already developed the SU-77, which can fly in outer space. SU-77 can hide on the far side of the Moon and dive from space to the enemy continent, is not detected by radar and has monomolecular armor. So China and the US are behind us.
  8. -10
    17 March 2023 06: 20
    The author so casually wrote off Russia. In vain. The narrative that Russia can do nothing fizzles out before our eyes.
    1. +2
      17 March 2023 06: 26
      Quote: 47 Reader
      The author so casually wrote off Russia. In vain. The narrative that Russia can do nothing fizzles out before our eyes.


      Not true. The author made it clear that Russia is rising from its knees. Just made it not so obvious, veiled.
      PS Skomorokhov, did I write everything correctly? One warning down?
  9. Des
    +5
    17 March 2023 06: 31
    The Americans are implementing their plans and, most importantly, they have both the resources and the money and the desire to be a great, the best country for this. And - it turns out. Everything is harder for us.
  10. 0
    17 March 2023 06: 48
    In my opinion, by 2030 everything will already be determined in the new world alignment.
  11. +5
    17 March 2023 06: 52
    After all, if you carefully calculate, then 1000 drones and 200 aircraft somehow do not count that way. For 1 aircraft, 2 drones is 400 UAVs. Where do you order the rest?


    Turn on the brain and realize that drones are consumables? And therefore with a margin.
  12. -13
    17 March 2023 07: 03
    Neither the 6th generation and subsequent generations of US and NATO air modules will be able to significantly get ahead of what Russia and China already have, and there will be no official announcement that Russia and China or China and Russia are acting together because they already together and it is not necessary for this to report. And Russia, together with China, also have their own interests in the Asia-Pacific expanses, they coincide completely, just as Russia and China are interested in the peaceful continuation of the friendship of the two peoples. After all, the borders of Russia in the Far East are also not small. And here the DPRK and Iran will connect, which also have claims against the United States. Russia, China, North Korea and Iran are well aware that, acting together, they will overcome the plans of the US hegemon.
    1. +9
      17 March 2023 08: 15
      Quote: Armen Sologyan
      Neither the 6th generation and subsequent generations of US and NATO air modules will be able to significantly get ahead of what Russia and China already have

      Such a statement from a country that has never mastered 4+ looks funny.
    2. +1
      17 March 2023 09: 44
      That which cannot significantly surpass the existing one cannot be considered a new generation ...
      6 in fact, and not just PR, it will be a drone with a hyper sound or so ...
  13. -2
    17 March 2023 07: 08
    No matter how much I think about the problem of conjugated work of drones-aircraft, nothing good comes out. The drone itself does not make decisions, and if they are delegated to this mechanism, then a repetition of the situation is possible when the neural network was convinced of its unreality - then what will this blockhead do with the weapon? On the other hand, if a pilot is following the drone, how will he perform his direct duties, with a couple of dumb dumb followers? Or will places for operators be inserted into the plane? Whatever one may say, but the pilot is heavily burdened.
  14. 0
    17 March 2023 07: 10
    Ah, you know what? It vividly reminded me of the Reagan SDI program "Star Wars". Which was inflated with one goal - to drive us into a hopeless arms race and undermine us economically. Which is quite successful. Of course, not without the help of "our" so-called elite, that is, ordinary traitors. The conversations then were similar. Horror stories were stamped exactly the same. Only there was no internet. There were no today's opportunities to penetrate every brain. But the mainstream media did a good job. I really want to believe that someone remained in the leadership, who remembered this and drew conclusions. It seems to me that in the first place, it would be nice to make this whole program become meaningless. That is, by improving the strategic forces of the retaliation strike,
    to deprive this entire flying armada of the opportunity to land on "Earth". Wherever they fly to war with us, this very land must burn. And the willingness to do this must be brought to every Western brain. And, there are opportunities and not only the media.
    1. 0
      17 March 2023 07: 32
      Yes, but unlike the USA, the USSR actually made the GDL RD-0600 and Skif. At the same time, it is unlikely that it cost such huge money. It was not the race that ruined the USSR, but Gorbachev. Well, Brezhnev, who put the USSR economy on an oil needle, which the Americans took advantage of by lowering the price of oil by the mid-80s to $ 10 per barrel
      1. -2
        17 March 2023 08: 32
        In fact, even Khrushchev hooked on the sale of oil, even collapsed the income of the population for the sake of it.
        In 1960, the dollar was worth 4.4 rubles, then a type of denomination took place, and in fact a devaluation, with a decrease in all prices by 10 times, but the dollar began to cost 0.9 rubles.
        On the other hand, the cost of oil production has halved (in dollars).
        1. +1
          17 March 2023 11: 46
          And what about wearing the dollar exchange rate had to the income of the population of the USSR? How did the reduction in the money supply affect income in a country with a planned economy and a ban on speculation and usury?
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  16. 0
    17 March 2023 07: 45
    The air-to-ground function depends only on the set of missiles, and the fact that the F35 will be able to storm the front line like a warthog is very doubtful.
    Because A10 is not written off in any way
    1. +2
      17 March 2023 15: 17
      Because A10 is not written off in any way

      The niche of attack aircraft is occupied by various types of UAVs.
  17. 0
    17 March 2023 07: 58
    This "Reptile", with unmanned "Bastards", in the foreseeable future can cause big problems to any state.
    To be in time before the mass production of these "Reptiles", to drive the United States into a deep crisis.
  18. -1
    17 March 2023 08: 12
    What are the requirements for a 6th generation fighter? Here only began to distinguish 4++ from the 5th generation.
    And did you even draw a cartoon?
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    1. +6
      17 March 2023 09: 49
      Quote: alexey_444
      now, even having lost one of ours to one of the Americans, the combat effectiveness of the United States will drop by orders of magnitude.

      With a 1:1 exchange of fighters with the Air Force and the US Navy, the combat effectiveness of the United States will drop by 15% - there are about 2,3 thousand aircraft of this class. VKS fighters will be completely destroyed, there are about 300 of them modern. Well 400 along with the Su-27 and MiG-29.

      Although the exchange with the Americans 1:1 is the same unscience fiction as all 400 Russian fighters raised at the same time.
      Quote: alexey_444
      These are our fighters without the support of their aviation and under the blows of a stranger they can fight, the Americans do not fight like that

      Why would they fight without air support?
      Quote: alexey_444
      One hope amerikosia will fall apart faster as fascist Germany without having time to create a real prodigy.

      Putin's plan - Victory of Russia.
    2. +8
      17 March 2023 09: 53
      Quote: alexey_444
      As for deleting us (aircraft) from the threats to the Americans, this is not even funny
      Absolutely not funny: our aviation was not able to seize air supremacy and operate calmly even in Ukraine. And the fact that this is not due to aviation, but to the enemy's air defense system does not change anything.
  20. -1
    17 March 2023 08: 19
    Judging by the article, the NGAD program is at some very early stage of development, when the very concept of the aircraft is being discussed.

    Everything is possible, but it looks implausible. It looks like the work is going much faster.
  21. 0
    17 March 2023 08: 44
    The plans are gigantic; but the inexorable Chronos over whom the Immortal Gods have no power can make their own adjustments. But there is also Fatum ...
  22. -6
    17 March 2023 08: 53
    There will be no new fighter aircraft in America by 2030.
    It is impossible now to make a plane so quickly
    1. +1
      17 March 2023 10: 05
      Who said it's impossible? People who promised to start delivering PAK-FA to the troops in 2014? Moreover, it is possible that the Americans are not starting from scratch, perhaps they already have developments, and now they are simply knocking out funding
      1. -2
        17 March 2023 12: 32
        Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
        Who said it's impossible? People who promised to start delivering PAK-FA to the troops in 2014?

        I said. In the fourteenth year, the su57 flew quite well.
        And now we are talking about 7 years from idea to mass production. It's impossible too complicated planes now
    2. 0
      17 March 2023 10: 33
      Amen! :)) Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
    3. 0
      17 March 2023 12: 21
      wassat wassat America is a country of great opportunities. Russia is a country of the impossible. bully
  23. +1
    17 March 2023 09: 28
    In general, fortune-telling on the coffee grounds.
    The former Wishlist of the 6th generation: access to near space + related ones.
    Current estimates of the 6th: drone control. which, in principle, is possible in 5m.
    Trimble is trying to somehow combine both directions.

    And the price ... It's time to remember how much Europe sells its latest fighter models to the same India. Far over 100. So for a high-altitude large, high-speed stealth aircraft, the price is well over 100, which is normal
  24. 0
    17 March 2023 09: 54
    And all you need for this is (we use a calculator), counting only the development and construction of aircraft ... well, about $ 250 billion

    This is where the squeezed 300 billion Russian dollars come in handy
  25. +10
    17 March 2023 09: 56
    The bet is made on the sixth generation fighter

    If we talk about the sixth-generation American fighter, then we need to consider at least three programs.
    The first is Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) of the US Air Force, which aims to create a weapon system to replace the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. Such a system is currently called manned-unmanned teaming (MUM-T). It is assumed that the system will consist of a manned fighter (Penetrating Counter-Air (PCA) and Penetrating Counter-Air (PCA) Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) drones).



    The US Navy has its own NGAD. The goal is to create a multi-purpose F / A-XX platform to replace the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft. Among other things, the aircraft must be able to operate in an unmanned version and, of course, be based on aircraft carriers.


    Despite the same names, the programs have significant differences.

    Well, the last component of the entire "triad" is the program for creating those same drones - Skyborg.
    Currently participating in this program are: Boeing, General Atomics, Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems, Northrop Grumman, Autonodyne LLC, BAE Systems, Blue Force Technologies, Fregata Systems LLC, Lockheed Martin, NextGen Aeronautic, Sierra Technical Services, Wichita State University and Voly Defense Solutions LLC of Concord.
    As you can see, the competition is more than strong.
    There is already quite a lot of information on all three programs, even in the open press; three detailed articles could be written.
    1. +12
      17 March 2023 11: 18
      At least one valuable comment.
      In general, what the Americans want is clear. Create a new manned fighter, which will be the center of decision-making. Expensive UAV fighters for air superiority. Cheap UAVs for performing narrow tasks that are not a pity to lose.



      Most importantly, they not create a 6th generation fighter. They are creating a new platform for aerial dominance. What is generally spelled out in the name of this program.
  26. -1
    17 March 2023 11: 04
    it's good when money can not be counted, but simply printed.
    that's when we get rid of the dominance of the dollar then the United States kirdyk
    1. +5
      17 March 2023 11: 58
      Bye, so the United States has been constantly delivering you from the dominance of the dollar since the age of 14. Operations with dollars are already prohibited in the banking sector: Swift, Visa, Mastercard - and goods are not sold for dollars - there is no need to take them. And you take and take. Could it be you?
  27. -10
    17 March 2023 11: 09
    The US Air Force wants to have at least 200 NGAD fighters, the sixth generation fighter Next Generation Air Dominance

    the fifth - that generation was not brought to mind, but there, give them the sixth.
    Panties will not burst, walking wide? fellow lol
  28. +1
    17 March 2023 11: 49
    In general, I am impressed by the Americans - they constantly come up with something. In fact, by the time of implementation, it may also be an inconspicuous AWACS aircraft, with air defense missiles on board, all the main work - as a fighter or bomber, or attack aircraft, reconnaissance again - will be performed by drones. And he will provide them with fighter cover as much as possible. Well, of course, it will monitor the airspace. I wonder if there will be a crew of two or three people? In general, they constantly move a living person away from the battlefield in a real battle.

    Well, drones, of course, will be noticeably more than the "leaders" themselves. Drones are just consumables.
  29. -12
    17 March 2023 12: 14
    Complete nonsense. Joyful writing about the F-35 touches. It looks like hundreds of planes cut the airy surface of the Russian Arctic. And then ... Hundreds of air defense missiles and silence. Like in an old cemetery. This applies to any country where there are more- less modern air defense systems. What can we say about the missile defense systems of the United States. Russia, China. The role of aviation is greatly exaggerated in modern warfare. An example is next to Ukraine. As for the sixth generation. is only at the initial stage of AI development. Decades will pass before something worthwhile for aviation turns out. Yes, and all the development of modern technologies rests on materials, fuel, engines. The aircraft of the future will work on other physical properties. , which flies 100 km further, is simply stupid. Instead of the S-500, the S-600,700 will appear, etc. Yes, and you should not forget about satellites.
    1. 0
      18 March 2023 17: 31
      The United States has practical experience in destroying the defense system, including air defense throughout the country. And the experience is quite good. First, suitcases of dollars fly into the accounts of the military leadership, then a massive missile strike of 1,5 - 2 tons of axes
  30. -1
    17 March 2023 13: 13
    Considering how much mattress planes of the 5th generation cost, it’s even scary to think about the 6th one)))
  31. -2
    17 March 2023 13: 28
    "Since Russia has been finally crossed out by American specialists from among potential adversaries in the sky," Has the main organizer of this mission already been awarded the highest US award?
  32. +4
    17 March 2023 13: 32
    What is strong in the United States is its disregard for its own power in matters of the army. And for us it depends on each ruler .. his concepts and desires ... And we see the result .. And this is just the beginning ...
  33. 0
    17 March 2023 13: 52
    Si vis pacem, bellum for

    If you want peace, prepare for war - the most relevant saying of all time for everyone. Except, however, for our liberals, who have been "preparing" for 30 years for who knows what.
  34. +7
    17 March 2023 14: 21
    Quote: stankow
    20 MLRS cannot turn anything over.

    There are no hurricanes, but yes Chimeras))) No matter how much farts the turbopatriots vomited.
  35. +6
    17 March 2023 14: 32
    Quote: certero
    Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
    Who said it's impossible? People who promised to start delivering PAK-FA to the troops in 2014?

    I said. In the fourteenth year, the su57 flew quite well.
    And now we are talking about 7 years from idea to mass production. It's impossible too complicated planes now

    He flew in 2010, in 2014 he had to go to the Aerospace Forces with might and main, in 2012 they announced that he would go from 2014 and all F-22s and F-35s would tremble with fear even on the runway.
  36. Uno
    -3
    17 March 2023 20: 57
    Such headlines should only be made if you already have 200 6th generation aircraft
  37. -3
    17 March 2023 22: 04
    Of course, Americans can print money, but what to do with the public debt? This bubble has already inflated so much that there is nowhere else to go. And why do we think that the opposition to aviation will be like in the Second World War or like in Ukraine. Thermonuclear strikes against bases, oncoming nuclear explosions in the atmosphere, if they do not destroy the attacking aircraft, will deprive it of communication with the means of guidance due to the high ionization of the atmosphere. In such a war, a drone with a nuclear engine, controlled by artificial intelligence, with the possibility of vertical takeoff and landing, as well as flights at least at an altitude of 50 km at hypersonic speed, has a chance.
  38. -5
    17 March 2023 22: 09
    Quote: Aristarkh Pasechnik
    These are only plans that really smell like multi-billion dollar money!

    This is an amazing cut of the dough. The 5th generation has not yet been properly debugged, adjustments are constantly being made to the F-35, and already there is a swing to the 6th generation for which there is not even a concept. In theory, it should be an unmanned aircraft, but here even Teslas in unmanned mode fly into accidents, let alone airplanes! But trillions of green candy wrappers under this cut a holy cause!
    1. 0
      20 March 2023 13: 30
      It seems that minusologists with ragul passports were given a salary, they just flew in a whole flock. Mountain for your overseas master! laughing
  39. -2
    18 March 2023 02: 08
    Quote: Proctologist
    most aircraft go supersonic only for certain tasks, and not for simple flight


    Most, but not all. The 5th generation just means cruising supersonic, and not "get it in the jump" (on the afterburner). This is in addition to stealth technologies, which it is customary for us to ignore (stealth!), but they exist and, on occasion, will show themselves.

    For the hundredth time I wonder: why do we need cruising supersonic and why did you decide that this is an essential requirement for the so-called "fifth generation fighters"?
    1. 0
      18 March 2023 12: 46
      why cruising supersonic is needed

      Strong tactical advantage in aerial combat. Fuel economy at almost the same speed as the afterburner.
      1. -1
        19 March 2023 02: 33
        There are no savings there. All this is nonsense. Cruising supersonic is achieved by using more expensive heat-resistant materials in the engine design, which leads to an increase in its cost. They do not fly at these speeds without unnecessary need. The same Raptors, with the possibility of cruising supersonic, prefer to fly at the standard subsonic for all within 700-900 km / h, when due to the use of the low bypass mode, optimal fuel consumption is achieved with less overheating. When switching to supersonic, there are no miracles - everything is as usual: high fuel consumption for the sake of high speed. The only thing is that due to expensive engine materials, this flight mode is not limited to several minutes, as with conventional engines using afterburner.
        I repeat the question, why do we need this cruising supersonic? What kind of "strong tactical advantage" do you want to realize for them?
  40. -2
    18 March 2023 03: 06
    since the Russian Federation has complete seams with aircraft, but it’s good to make air defense missiles and various classes of ground-to-ground type, the emphasis on what needs to be built and promoted is clear. And any 6th generation there, etc. is China’s destiny. This is their smut.
  41. +2
    18 March 2023 12: 45
    although this is what the F-22 was designed for in the first place.


    Does the author actually read himself? When the F-22 China was being developed, there was no one and his name was nothing.
    1. 0
      18 March 2023 14: 53
      The 5th or 6th generation is an increase in cost without an adequate proportional increase in efficiency, and therefore we should not stupidly chase the fashion for new generations; in general, it is better to be guided by the rule of reasonable sufficiency. with a load of up to 1941 kg, by the way, they flew well at low altitudes and at night, however, even now a wooden aircraft will not immediately see the radar, and the infrared radiation of a piston engine is orders of magnitude less than that of a turbojet engine. , and his speed was greater than that of a modern drone
      1. 0
        18 March 2023 17: 54
        According to such parameters, it turns out that the flintlock gun is generally the top of efficiency. Somehow, recently, thoughts have begun to slip quite often in articles that tanks are outdated, like cavalry in the Second World War and planes are not needed, air defense will still bring down ... Probably like in a fable about a fox and grapes.
  42. +1
    18 March 2023 19: 39
    In general, the NGAD resembles the design of the Soviet MiG 701, a huge supersonic interceptor. There is a certain sense in this, to recall at least the effectiveness of the R77 missiles in Ukraine. The Yankees have an analogue of the AIM-120 AMRAAM. That is, NGAD can carry a bunch of such missiles.

    That's just the main obstacle in the war with Russia or China will be air defense, not fighters. And here the same F35, not to mention the Raiders, look much more preferable.

    In short, it smells like another grandiose sawmill. 250 billion are preliminary prices. The f35 program has already cost a total of under a trillion bucks. NGAD will probably raise the bar.
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    22 March 2023 07: 13
    Opa-na, Russia finally crossed out? Right, right, right….
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    6 May 2023 23: 41
    On May 9, 2023, fascist flags will fall to the walls of the Kremlin and everyone will go to celebrate Victory Day over fascism.
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    2 June 2023 20: 11
    Either they frighten them with plates, then their dogs bark, the Americans say.
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    6 September 2023 16: 36
    A new arms race has begun. The industrial and scientific potential of the Russian Federation is not at all the same as that of the USSR, which could maintain parity in this race. The impending loss is obvious. What to do?.