Ukraine has developed a new uninterruptible power supply system for machine guns of American and Russian production

The Ukrainian army will soon begin to receive new uninterruptible ammunition supply systems for machine guns, both American-made and Russian. According to the Ukrainian press, the system, called MURENA, is currently being tested.

The first batch of uninterruptible power systems for machine guns entered the troops for testing in combat conditions. According to the developers, it is intended, first of all, for the American M240 machine guns, which were received in large numbers by the Armed Forces of Ukraine as military assistance from the United States, as well as for Russian PKM and its modifications. It is not excluded that in the future this system will be adapted for other belt-fed machine guns.

According to the developers, the MURENA system was created on the same principle as similar systems in other countries, but differs from them in an increased ammunition load. A serviceman with a Ukrainian design can carry 650 rounds of ammunition for a machine gun, and at the same time a spare barrel.

It became clear to us the need of Ukrainian soldiers to optimize the methods of transferring and quickly using increased ammunition for a machine gun (...) We developed a bracket for attaching a “sleeve”, which is attached to the standard fastening elements of a box for machine gun cartridges

- said the developers.

According to the data provided, the weight of the "empty" MURENA system (box, sleeve and backpack) is 9 kg, in the equipped state (all the same + a spare barrel and 650 rounds) - 28 kg.

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[tralflot1832]

I’m sorry, the site is being broken again, it’s hard to access it through the mobile application. Sochi.

[Murmur 55]

tralflot1832 , but it looks like a wonderful screensaver again, abra - cadabra and on the third attempt.

[aszzz888]

tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
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I’m sorry, the site is being broken again, it’s hard to access it through the mobile application. Sochi.

Yes, something is wrong again. And according to the article, this is not at all new. 30 kg to carry behind your back ...

[tralflot1832]

Who went to sea on a fisherman is a common thing, one of the sizes of a "box" with fish weighs 30 kg. You can't drag it for a long time, you need a second number.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: tralflot1832

Who went to sea on a fisherman is a common thing, one of the sizes of a "box" with fish weighs 30 kg. You can't drag it for a long time, you need a second number.

The guys in the NWO area do not complain. On the contrary, they are satisfied.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: aszzz888

Yes, something is wrong again

Taki noticed some garbage when he first came in ... but he didn’t understand, he hastily left the site ... I went in a little later ... it turned out to be all right!

[poquello]

Quote: aszzz888

this is not new at all.

I still don’t understand, have you learned how to make dill scorpions?

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, it flies. You have to log in constantly. According to the article .. How much we knew about such a development. But I don’t know how much it “went” to the troops

[Murmur 55]

dmi.pris 1 , it seems like private traders riveted, in four colors for 80 kilos of rubles.

[insafufa]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Yes, it flies. You have to log in constantly. According to the article .. How much we knew about such a development. But I don’t know how much it “went” to the troops

Special forces use it to the fullest.
Volunteers who are not indifferent supply them to those fighters who do not complain that the machine gun is of the wrong design.

[Woroshilow]

Yes, it was, in my opinion, the Scorpion ammunition system

[Oden280]

She wasn't, but she is. It just costs a lot. Something in the region of fifty dollars. And it's a very good system. Machine gunners praise.

[Dost]

A couple of years ago, the "machine gunners" pissed her off here. And in a way they are right. Carrying a machine gun, ammo, a first aid kit, and also armor, is another matter. And when your shoes are in the mud, it's still a kilo or two. There is nothing to do here without an exoskeleton.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Dost

A couple of years ago, the "machine gunners" pissed her off here. And in a way they are right. Carrying a machine gun, ammo, a first aid kit, and also armor, is another matter. And when your shoes are in the mud, it's still a kilo or two. There is nothing to do here without an exoskeleton.

Every man to his own taste. Some do not like this system, while others, on the contrary, are satisfied.

[Revolver]

Quote: Dost

A couple of years ago, the "machine gunners" pissed her off here. And in a way they are right. Carrying a machine gun, ammo, a first aid kit, and also armor, is another matter. And when your shoes are in the mud, it's still a kilo or two. There is nothing to do here without an exoskeleton.

Serving in peacetime and serving at the front are two big differences. In peacetime, many machine gunners would prefer to drag an inflatable or foam model of a machine gun during exercises. And when the integrity of your skin depends on the density of your fire, ammunition - "you can't carry your own burden," and there is never too much.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote from Woroshilow

Yes, it was, in my opinion, the Scorpion ammunition system

She was and is. And even found in the zone of NWO.

[Silver99]

You can stick one more ribbon cross on the chest on the chest, then a spare barrel was provided, but there is no heat-resistant mitten, I wonder how they will change the red-hot barrel? again, during the Second World War, the MG-42 had a second calculation number for this and changed it in 8 seconds, ours called it 8 seconds of life for a dash and a change of position, as well as 1500 rounds per minute of solid lead.

[former soldier]

again, nemchura during the Second World War on the MG-42 had a second calculation number for this and was changed in 8 seconds

In general, their entire squad revolved around the MG-42 because of its firepower.

[Konnick]

In general, their entire squad revolved around the MG-42 because of its firepower.

Until the age of 44. The SS troops were re-equipped with Sturmgevers.

Subsequently, in the state of K.St.N.131V dated 1.11.1944/XNUMX/XNUMX, these platoons received the name "assault". Accordingly, two departments of the M.R. (assault) - platoon consisted of nine people (eight shooters and one commander) armed with "Sturmgevers", and in the third department for the same nine people there was one machine gun, five "Sturmgever" and three carbines with rifle grenade launchers.

It is quite obvious that infantry units are aimed at positional battles (more Sturmgevers, fewer machine guns, snipers)

This is from Isaev's book "The Road to Berlin".

The Sturmgever was put into service due to the fact that the machine gunner was a priority target for snipers, who were in sufficient numbers in our infantry units. In order to preserve and distribute the power of the infantry squad with a clearly visible target like a machine gun, it was decided to arm the infantry squad with stormtroopers without a machine gun.
Therefore, I believe that such a mess is needed on armored vehicles or in pillboxes, and in light machine guns, the use of continuous fire immediately reveals the position of the machine gunner and he becomes a victim of a sniper. In addition, in assault operations this is a cumbersome thing, and in positional battles it is difficult to conduct aimed continuous fire from a light machine gun, unlike an easel one.

[Dead duck]

how will they change the hot barrel?

- now they often attach a "handle", you can change it with one hand and without gloves.

[Woroshilow]

There, for this, a handle is attached to the barrel, the M240 has the same

[Woroshilow]

The MG-42 has a non-removable barrel, there is a cooling casing, although I don’t remember exactly.

[tatarin1972]

The barrel of the "circular" was removable. On our PC, PCM, gloves are also required, although there is a handle on the barrel, but the contactor also heats up.

[Murmur 55]

Yeah, we have such a Scorpio called, if I'm not mistaken. The parameters are similar, but I haven’t heard whether they are popular with fighters, the weight is not small.

[aszzz888]

Murmur 55 (ALEXANDER)
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Yeah, we have such a Scorpio called, if I'm not mistaken. The parameters are similar, but I haven’t heard whether they are popular with fighters, the weight is not small.

Fact. Another thing is on stationary installations - in helicopters, on boats ...

[uav80]

Only the scorpion is twice as light, 4kg with a little...

[olegfbi]

The scorpion is in the troops and is successfully used in the NVO zone. Yes, it’s heavy, but machine gunners are selected with appropriate physical conditions.

[svp67]

Quote: olegfbi

The scorpion is in the troops and is successfully used in the NVO zone. Yes, it’s heavy, but machine gunners are selected with appropriate physical conditions.

[merkava-2bet]

Most of all, the non-loose tape is annoying, the tail is still the same, and when you change position or run, you can step on and collapse.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Murmur 55

Yeah, we have such a Scorpio called, if I'm not mistaken. The parameters are similar, but I haven’t heard whether they are popular with fighters, the weight is not small.

The guys in the NWO area do not complain. On the contrary, they are satisfied.

[mag nit]

This system is only suitable for caches.

[Quote Lavrov]

I think so. If you run through the forests, bushes, and climb through the mud - how long before the tape drags all the dirt into the machine gun mechanism?
About carrying - yes, it’s more convenient than carrying boxes in your hands, or unattached tapes in a taxiway, but one way or another, it’s more suitable for relatively stationary points than for some kind of maneuverable battle.

[insafufa]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

If you run through forests, bushes, and climb through the mud - how long before the tape drags all the dirt into the machine gun mechanism?

In urban combat, assault squads calmly use and no special complaints are heard from them.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

I think so. If you run through the forests, bushes, and climb through the mud - how long before the tape drags all the dirt into the machine gun mechanism?
About carrying - yes, it’s more convenient than carrying boxes in your hands, or unattached tapes in a taxiway, but one way or another, it’s more suitable for relatively stationary points than for some kind of maneuverable battle.

The tape is covered with a cover. The cover can be attached to a machine gun and will not drag anything anywhere.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

I think so. If you run through the forests, bushes, and climb through the mud - how long before the tape drags all the dirt into the machine gun mechanism?
About carrying - yes, it’s more convenient than carrying boxes in your hands, or unattached tapes in a taxiway, but one way or another, it’s more suitable for relatively stationary points than for some kind of maneuverable battle.

The case is attached to the machine gun.

[LuidmilaN1956]

...but one way or another, it is more suitable for relatively stationary points than for some kind of maneuverable battle.

Stormtroopers use and do not complain. On the contrary, they are satisfied.

[merkava-2bet]

I saw another video where everything is according to Feng Shui, and a loose tape and a sleeve for supplying cartridges made of polymers and protective material such as Nomex from dirt and branches.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: mag nit

This system is only suitable for caches.

The guys in the NWO area do not complain. On the contrary, they are satisfied.

[Eug]

Interestingly, does the "shot" system need to be handed over for re-equipment? My vision is a capacity of 250 rounds for greater maneuverability of the machine gunner, and then another 2nd and possibly 3rd number with spare cartridge "cartridges" of quick reloading, each with 2x250 rounds. Although, as for me, stretching the ribbon through the sleeve is still fun ...

[Ezekiel 25-17]

You won’t drag it for a long time; 2) the barrel must be changed every 250 shots, this is for Pecheneg, I don’t remember how for PKM and M-249; 3) The calculation must be increased; Summary: so we again come to the machine-gun companies of World War I, a good product for fortified areas, well, for any equipment per module. We would have come up with the Mi 8-MTSh.

[hohkn]

Interchangeable barrels go only to Pecheneg-2. The "Pecheneg" has a non-replaceable barrel, with forced cooling. Pauses, of course, need to be done, otherwise it is still heated. In PKM, the barrel changes after 400 shots. M-249 - I don't remember.
Ours also have a continuous supply of cartridges - Scorpio. Already used in Donbass.

[Woroshilow]

Pecheneg has a non-removable barrel, it’s interesting that the machine is being produced for them now, even I have never seen a video or photo from the CBO with our PKP / PKM on the machine

[LuidmilaN1956]

You won't last long...

The guys in the NWO zone do not complain.

[sergo1914]

Dedicated to all fans of the first "Predator" with Schwartz (1987). There, Jesse Ventura (Sergeant Cooper) dragged such a thing through the jungle. It's been 36 years (thirty-six, Carl). Has it been reinvented?

[KCA]

He carried a lot, the Vulcan does not work without an external power supply, how many batteries were there? Then the return is such that even the Terminator was built for firing blank KOs so that it would not be smeared against the wall

[LuidmilaN1956]

Not Vulkan, but M134 Minigun. Vulcan is a 20 mm aircraft gun (M61 Vulcan).

[Woroshilow]

The truth is that on the set of the film it was fired using a special bracket, plus for it you need someone to carry a tank battery for this machine gun.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: sergo1914

There Jesse Ventura (Sergeant Cooper) dragged such a thing through the jungle

Wow, you have a memory! For some reason, I remember that it was Bill Duke (Sergeant McElliot), and the machine gun was a Gatling ... (and I remembered it that way for many years :)))
And now this conversation arose - and I remembered that damn it, even though it was Gatling ... but Ventura really dragged him! :)))

[Sergey Averchenkov]

As far as I remember, there was a meeting between the leaders of Hollywood and the US government, and at this meeting they kind of convinced Hollywood to make films that suit the United States. Don't you see? I'm already addressing everyone (I'm not just talking about animals) - in all American films, it's always the Americans who are good and they always win. Is not it? If not, please provide examples.

[Amateur]

The only thing left is to find your Schwarzenegger or a hefty Mexican.

to carry that kind of weight.

[tralflot1832]

When the film was being shot, the machine gunner was tied to a stake driven into the ground, otherwise it would have been blown away by recoil and it is difficult to catch it in the frame. .On the frames of the film it is not visible.

[decimalegio]

All fans know that this is impossible and that this is a cinematic fiction. But we all wanted us to be the ones to handle the minigun, even if it was strapped like sausages.

[AlexWar]

I liked this scene when he was like this Where you fired.

[Machiavelli]

Sidorov, did you shoot at all? By duck or by Uzbeks? And hell knows comrade colonel, to be honest, they stink the same way. Sidorov, you don’t eat these canned breakfast tourists anymore, they are expired.

[Vashek]

In fact, the barrel heats up and pauses are still needed. Here in the MG-42, the machine gunner had 3 interchangeable barrels and a gauntlet.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from Vashek

In fact, the barrel heats up and pauses are still needed. Here in the MG-42, the machine gunner had 3 interchangeable barrels and a gauntlet.

And in Maxim there was a neck with a cap for pouring water ... and after all, the scheme worked :))

[DMFalke]

It looks like American helicopter ammunition systems for airborne machine guns. That's just the helicopter will endure extra pounds of rigid tape, and the fighter's back is not eternal. Nothing better than ordinary infantry belts was invented.

[insafufa]

Quote from DMFalke

It looks like American helicopter ammunition supply systems for airborne machine guns.

Even on the ShKAS machine guns of the Second World War, we had such tapes with a flexible power supply on the IL-4

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Even on the ShKAS machine guns of the Second World War, we had such tapes with a flexible power supply on the IL-4

However, in the photo there is an IL-2 and a UBT machine gun.

[Petr_Koldunov]

This is not exactly ShKAS :) ShKAS has a much shorter gas piston tube.
But this does not change the essence - yes, there is an uninterrupted supply ... but after all, this is a weapon for use in military equipment, and the shooter does not have to run through the forests, carrying zinc with cartridges on his back.
On planes, tanks, armored cars, etc. - This is a well-founded principle. For an infantryman - unpractical. Just imagine how much the soldier carries in this case! And this is in addition to the fact that he carries equipment - almost 30 kg, and even personal weapons and other jewelry (knives, pistols, grenades, shovels, carbines, gas masks, first aid kits, flasks) - that is, at least another plus 8 -10 kg ... and to this add another ~ 20 kg machine gun with cartridges in the knapsack.
Yes ... and another shot tape - gets confused in the legs (which is generally zashkvar) ... but where does it go? This is a non-washable vulka from paper that dissolves in water.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote from DMFalke

It looks like American helicopter ammunition systems for airborne machine guns. That's just the helicopter will endure extra pounds of rigid tape, and the fighter's back is not eternal. Nothing better than ordinary infantry belts was invented.

To take the weight off the back, StKSS stops have long been invented.

[Uprun]

One spare barrel will not be enough ..... It will do for a defensive midfielder or a checkpoint, but on the offensive it’s so-so, Stallone and Schwarzeneggers are needed.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote from uprun

One spare barrel will not be enough ..... It will do for a defensive midfielder or a checkpoint, but on the offensive it’s so-so, Stallone and Schwarzeneggers are needed.

The guys in the NWO zone do not complain.

[APASUS]

Ukraine has developed a new uninterruptible power supply system for machine guns of American and Russian production

Developed so what?
I already wrote about these systems, we also have them and they even sell for 88 rubles, are there many of them at the front? That's it and that's it

https://front-ts.ru/item/skorpion

[vovochkarzhevsky]

as well as for Russian PCM and its modifications.

Since when did the Soviet machine gun PKM 1969 become Russian?

[George Miloslavsky]

Correctly put into service faster, let them, so that if anything the machine gunner could not escape.

[Gunther]

.... the weight of the "empty" MURENA system (box, sleeve and
backpack) is 9 kg, in running order (all the same + spare barrel and 650 rounds) - 28 kg.

More does not mean better - here the back hurts from the armor, and with such a load, the back is coffined at once, and even run. Best the enemy of the good.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Gunter

.... the weight of the "empty" MURENA system (box, sleeve and
backpack) is 9 kg, in running order (all the same + spare barrel and 650 rounds) - 28 kg.

More does not mean better - here the back hurts from the armor, and with such a load, the back is coffined at once, and even run. Best the enemy of the good.

So that the back from the armor does not ache, you need to use StKSS stops.
The main thing is that the frame of the box should be made ergonomic.

[LuidmilaN1956]

To take the weight off the back, StKSS stops have long been invented.

[Archivist Vasya]

With such a weight, the machine gunner will only want to quickly shoot the BC. For defense in prepared positions, it will go well, but where you need to move often and better quickly, it will not work.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

With such a weight, the machine gunner will only want to quickly shoot the BC. For defense in prepared positions, it will go well, but where you need to move often and better quickly, it will not work.

Stormtroopers use and do not complain.

[Petr_Koldunov]

And they will wrap it around your hand like Schwarzenegger? Wow, what evil terminators will be ...
Damn, now, apparently, there is nothing more to do, except to organize this not very convenient uninterruptible power supply system for a machine gun!
It would be better if the Chewbaks took care of the fact that our Musicians, on the basis of the ukrovermacht, organized uninterrupted work for funeral agencies ...

[Losyara]

Cool. Here's just a topical question: if you are injured or suddenly you need to urgently leave the machine gun and let's move to help the wounded, how quickly can you throw off the backpack?

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote from Losyara

Cool. Here's just a topical question: if you are injured or suddenly you need to urgently leave the machine gun and let's move to help the wounded, how quickly can you throw off the backpack?

Fast enough.

[Codett]

We also developed and tested this one, but the truth is you can only see it at exhibitions, in principle, like many other useful things.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Quote: Codett

We also developed and tested this one, but the truth is you can only see it at exhibitions, in principle, like many other useful things.

Well, why only at exhibitions. And in the zone of NWO it is found.

[Meaning of life_]

In fact, this is very serious. Somewhere I read analysts that when such systems become massive, it will change the entire tactics of the infantry. Everyone knows what role the machine gun plays on the battlefield now. So, how much easier it will be to carry ammunition behind your back than in a box attached to the center of a machine gun!
Specifically, about the dill development, then someone was very lying. 9-kg system + 10-kilogram machine gun (M240 in its lightest version) + 650 rounds (25,4 g * 650 = 16,5 kg and this is without tape!) Already pulls 36 kg, and with spare barrels - for all 40 kg.
But even if you carry 200 rounds behind your back, it will be more convenient than the way you carry a 100-round box now. A much larger number of soldiers will be able to become machine gunners. So this should be taken very seriously, and even better, mass-produce "scorpions" ourselves.
By the way, a machine gun with such a system for 5,45 caliber would not hurt either. But with our "optimized" industry, this can only be dreamed of. At least making "scorpions" to the already existing Soviet "galoshes" (PKM) - it will already be very good.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Ukraine has developed a new uninterruptible power supply system for machine guns of American and Russian production

1) We have developed such a system for a long time. It's called Scorpio.

2) Is this system for American-made machine guns really developed in Ukraine? Or again deliveries of the finished system?

It is very similar to what is on the video, to the American system.

[Navy7981]

The machine gun's uninterrupted power supply system is not new. We have the same thing, but do the guys at the front have it ??? And is it needed, and if needed, where? The weight is not small! During an assault?