Strong ruble - two sources and three components

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Strong ruble - two sources and three components


The independence of the Central Bank is nothing more than appearance


We will not get tired of repeating that the stability of the ruble in the conditions of the NWO is by no means some kind of achievement, but simply a cruel reality for our opponents. And our currency helmsman - the bank, which is listed not only as the Central, but also to the surprise of the whole world, not only civilized, but also independent, has a very indirect relation to this.



Approximately, like a supermarket checkout to how full it is, because it's all about the goods, the skill of sellers and the solvency of buyers. So, for the role of a “seller” of rubles, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, even together with the Ministry of Finance, is currently categorically not suitable.

Let these be state structures, but it is the economic viability of the state as such that determines everything. More precisely, the whole point is the uninterrupted, although at the moment not in all respects, successful operation of the national economy.

The decrease in activity in a number of industries is almost completely offset by the heating up of the defense industry, as well as those who are export-oriented, primarily in the mining and agricultural sectors. You can consider that they are two sources of stability for the ruble, although the actual influx of money comes from the tax service and from customs.

The almost ubiquitous transition of payments for our export goods to rubles has relieved the ruble of the need to regularly turn around to foreign market conditions. The ruble emission remains under the strict control of the same Central Bank of the Russian Federation, but again, the point is not in it, but in the absence of excess demand for rubles in the country.

The ruble remains expensive


There is no demand, precisely because the ruble remains very expensive in terms of loan interest. At the same time, the ruble is now slowly, but, alas, steadily declining against the dollar and the euro, primarily because of the need to maintain at least the appearance of a balanced budget.

At the end of last year and the beginning of this year, as you know, it sank a lot, and only a significant reduction in import costs saves. However, they will be required in any case, even for almost 100 percent localized defense enterprises.

Nevertheless, with the current trends in Russian exports, which are in demand almost more than before the NWO, it is more likely that we have to worry about a completely different matter. About how the state can be credited within the country, in view of the almost complete post-condition of an acceptable alternative to Western, more precisely, transnational banks.

Iran, China, India and even Brazil, more precisely, credit institutions from these countries, set conditions that are harder, not only for former Western creditors, but also for Russian ones. However, in relations between the authorities and the latter, there is at least an opportunity to use the administrative resource in order to neutralize the negative from the excessively expensive credit ruble.

Some depreciation of the national currency in this case is best viewed as a competent stock exchange game of the same Central Bank, here it cannot but be given its due. However, as you know, the Bank of Russia, like any other Central Bank, is deprived of the right to stock exchange games, but no one can prohibit manipulating the exchange rate through shell or even controlled banks.

We have one course - right?


In the situation we have described, many make negative forecasts with a rate of 100 or even 150 rubles to the dollar, although the majority of the population hardly cares about this, so long as prices do not jump. In response, a number of analysts, moreover, from relatively independent structures, rightly consider forecasts with a sharp fall in the ruble exchange rate to be absolutely unrealistic.


The current situation cannot be compared either with the spring of last year, or with episodes of a strong depreciation of the ruble in 2014–2016. Almost everything there was tied to geopolitics, which is now simply taken into account as the main factor, nothing more.

The main thing that the authorities managed to achieve during the year of the SVO in the financial sector was to bring down the wave of capital outflow from the country. However, it seems that no one really knows what to do with this capital inside the country, in addition to investing in defense orders.

If the first of the three components of the stability of the ruble - export earnings, does not cause doubt or concern, then the second - receipts from within the country, in this case, cannot but worry. If you don't invest anywhere, you won't get anything.

Almost no one in the real sector has their own funds, with the exception of the nuclear industry and, perhaps, the space industry, although everything is classified there, and banks continue to behave like a dog in the manger. One should not be surprised if, as a positive example, they are faced with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and its either a branch or a satellite - Sberbank.

Third tie-down


It is unlikely that anyone will be surprised that in the role of such, forgotten, few of the "great" interesting, is an ordinary consumer. But if he does not incur his hard-earned money not only in supermarkets, but also in banks, absolutely nothing will be able to move.

It's no secret that Russia is very rich with far from the richest population. Someone can tell us as much as they like about 10, maximum 15 percent of the poor. In fact, much more. But those same 0,02 percent of the too rich should not be taken into account - in fact, little depends on them.

Although some of them still consider themselves almost the saviors of the Fatherland, because they are the ones who drive the “locomotives of the economy”. It is a paradox, but it is precisely in this, that is, in the almost rampant poverty of the population now, that it, the economy, is saved.

Contrary to all monetary theories with the notorious effective demand, and even contrary to socialist practice, the same one - cinema, wine and dominoes. It justified itself for many years, people, although not all, could even retire with good opportunities for cultural leisure, up to traveling all over the country.

Russia is now again in a situation where its main advantage is not even the abundance and cheapness of resources, with the latter just in abundance, but the low cost of human resources, including guest workers who allegedly take other people's jobs.

This is on the "construction sites of communism", or what? We do not believe, and practice confirms that as soon as there is a chance to replenish personnel from within Russia, this is immediately done. Overhead costs are less.


Without SWIFT and without dollar


Another thing is that the real shortage of personnel in the country remains simply frightening, and now also the NWO people, and quite qualified ones, are being sucked out ruthlessly. Do you really think about it, and is it not then that the pension reform was started, so as not to remain in an open field now?

Let's not argue, since the beginning of the NWO, the Russian monetary authorities continue to demonstrate enviable professionalism. Being under unprecedented pressure from the West, left without SWIFT, with almost complete currency freedom, which, by the way, they themselves tripled, it’s cool not to let the ruble fall.

Although, again, it turns out that it is not necessary to print extra rubles, the economy somehow manages without their excess. There are exports, imports have fallen, the majority is afraid to export the currency. De-dollarization, which seemed just a slogan, does not affect only reserves, and it may be better that way: falling into the bondage of the yuan will be more terrible than the dollar.

The dollar is universal, but the yuan is the brainchild of the People's Bank of China and the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China. In the meantime, the fewer dollars, the calmer the ruble feels. No, it is, alas, impossible to guarantee it from a collapse if everyone and seriously yell at us. However, in this case, the same Central Bank of the Russian Federation will simply have to introduce the state digital ruble and even, “a liberal’s nightmare,” to fix the exchange rate.

But first, in the event of a really strong depreciation of the ruble, the Bank of Russia will have to raise the key rate. Otherwise, it is difficult, even impossible, to contain the acceleration of inflation. The inevitable subsequent increase in deposit rates and higher yields on government bonds will narrow the money supply to a minimum.

In order for the US dollar to jump to 100 rubles and above, something too negative must happen, although then - you know what. However, a pandemic of a completely different scale may also happen, and a drop in oil prices to 15 or even 10 dollars per barrel, which is hard to believe.
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  1. +14
    14 March 2023 05: 12
    Russian banks have lent ordinary citizens to the very tonsils ... some are sitting in credit bondage for up to 30 years.
    Remembering the glorious 90s, I don’t feel anything but hostility towards these bloodsuckers ... they still milk all Russian citizens through salary cards using various schemes for legally withdrawing money according to Ostap Bender.
    1. +10
      14 March 2023 07: 11
      Russia is now again in a situation where its main advantage is <...>low cost of human resources, including guest workers who allegedly take other people's jobs.
      As for guest workers, I categorically cannot agree with the author. This is the author’s purely armchair, and not from life on earth, view of the problem of the migration policy of the government in the Russian Federation in the spirit of domination in the country of the colonial bourgeois ideology of Milton Friedman, set out in his book “Capitalism and Freedom”, about the alleged existence of a “free” in the world and a "clean" market for capital, goods (services) and labor in the spirit of monetarism (keep an eye on financial profits).

      The domestic labor market has long been deformed by the influx in Russia of the so-called. foreign LOW-skilled "labor" migrants by dumping (decrease in level) them Russian salaries, as such, in various sectors of the economy. FOR RUSSIANS.
      At the same time, only 15% of foreign labor migrants arriving in Russia are officially registered for work. The rest work without registration, if they work at all, and on 1/2 of the official salary.
      It is beneficial for foreign low-skilled labor migrants. And that's why:
      1) they usually work not in their specialty, since they do not have any profession. Documents for work allegedly about the profession from the homeland, which they show, as a rule, are fake (bought) from them;
      2) agree to any work for 1/2 of the salary estimate price, but demand money in advance;
      3) they perform work naturally with marriage and, in order not to be responsible for the marriage, disappear forever from their place of work. Look for the wind in the field;
      3) Russians and native Russians are taken for finishing work with alteration from the marriage of guest workers - already for the remaining 1/2 of the wages released according to the estimate for the performance of this work! (Because 1/2 of the salary has already been given to foreign labor minrants).
      That. The salary of Russians has already fallen by 2 times. But that is not all! The marriage allowed by foreign labor migrants has to be corrected by Russians and their work redone, which takes up working time with unpaid labor migrants.
      In addition, the company is already running out of time to complete the work that needs to be met, which is why the intensity of the work of Russians increases with an increase in the volume of work per set of dismantling.
      As a result, the wages of the Russians themselves are falling due to guest workers in the DOMESTIC RUSSIAN labor market! Moreover, it REALLY DECREASES and turns out to be LOWER by more than 2, or even 4 times, from the estimated wages!

      AS A RESULT, qualified Russians are marginalized in their specialty - i.e. they are looking for work no longer in their specialty, but only with higher wages, in order to only feed themselves at least at a minimum, or they themselves emigrate abroad.

      Why are foreign labor migrants - especially from the CA countries - completely satisfied with 1/2 of the Russian salary? Yes, because in fact this is 10 times more earnings than in their homeland!
      To make it clear to everyone, I will give an example.
      Let's say that a builder in the Russian Federation should receive a salary of 40 thousand rubles.
      Guest workers are hired for 40/2 = 20 thousand rubles.
      The total dumping salary for a Russian builder due to guest workers is 40 thousand instead of 20 thousand. And how can a Russian citizen live on it with a semboi in the Russian Federation?
      And for a gaterbeiter in his homeland in the SA, this is the same as if a Russian in Russia worked 20 x 10 times a month = 200 thousand rubles.
      Do you appreciate the difference between a Russian citizen in Russia by 20 thousand and 200 thousand rudders ?!

      therefore foreign labor migrants will arrive in the Russian Federation in ever-increasing millions, if they are not stopped, and they will REPLACE THE INDIGENOUS population of Russia!

      In addition, it is known that if a man cannot provide for himself on a salary, then he does not have and will not have a wife or children! What kind of NATURAL growth of the indigenous population in Russia in this case can you even talk about ?!
      1. +5
        14 March 2023 07: 42
        the real shortage of personnel in the country remains simply frightening, and now the NWO people, and quite qualified ones, are being sucked out ruthlessly.

        Yes, the native RUSSIANS with a long-term corrupt and insane foreign migration policy of their liberal-"market" government of the Russian Federation, as they say, "ARRIVED" !!! (Sarcasm.)
        1. +1
          14 March 2023 08: 00
          it so happens that there is no need to print extra rubles, the economy somehow manages without their excess. There are exports, imports have fallen, the majority is afraid to export the currency.
          I also cannot agree with the authors of the article. This is also their LIMITED - narrow-cabinet - view of this problem.
          This problem should also be viewed through the prism of the foreign LABOR migration policy of the current liberal "market" government of the Russian Federation.
          And this problem in Russia is long overdue and has been considered since 2011!

          In fact, Russia's foreign labor migration policy has many sides. I will not list them. I will only point out the existence of financial risks for the national security of Russia from foreign labor migration, which are still not professionally taken into account by the Russian liberal leadership of our country because of the DOMINATION in the Russian Federation of the colonial pro-American, pro-Western and scientifically untenable - bluff - ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "pure" market of capitals, goods (services) and WORK FORCE, set out by the Chicago economist Milton Friedman in his book "Capitalism and Freedom".

          My calculations from 2015 of financial risks in Russia from foreign labor migration showed that these financial risks exceeded the maximum allowable values ​​by 4 or more times.
          With such excesses of the normal value of business risks - i.e. more than 1 time from the norm - normal businessmen simply don’t even start their own such business project, because it is guaranteed BANKRUPT!
          The same applies to government business projects.
          The pursuit of the Russian authorities to attract foreign labor migration to Russia, as a business project to build our Russian state, must either be CLOSED or significantly changed and limited in favor of Russia's national security, otherwise Russia will cease to exist geopolitically!!!
          Therefore, with such an attitude - in an unlimited pursuit of foreign labor migrants - this state national business project, the leadership of the Russian Federation

          Anyone who is interested can read my analytical article "Financial risks of the national security of the Russian Federation from foreign labor migration" published on "VO" dated March 25, 2015. - https://topwar.ru/71406-finansovye-riski-nacionalnoy-bezopasnosti-rf-ot-inostrannoy-trudovoy-migracii.html
          1. +2
            14 March 2023 08: 03
            Quote: Tatiana
            it so happens that there is no need to print extra rubles, the economy somehow manages without their excess. There are exports, imports have fallen, the majority is afraid to export the currency.
            I also cannot agree with the authors of the article. This is also their LIMITED - narrow-cabinet - view of this problem.
            This problem should also be viewed through the prism of the foreign LABOR migration policy of the current liberal "market" government of the Russian Federation.
            And this problem in Russia is long overdue and has been considered since 2011!

            In fact, Russia's foreign labor migration policy has many sides. I will not list them. I will only point out the existence of financial risks for the national security of Russia from foreign labor migration, which are still not professionally taken into account by the Russian liberal leadership of our country because of the DOMINATION in the Russian Federation of the colonial pro-American, pro-Western and scientifically untenable - bluff - ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "pure" market of capitals, goods (services) and WORK FORCE, set out by the Chicago economist Milton Friedman in his book "Capitalism and Freedom".

            My calculations from 2015 of financial risks in Russia from foreign labor migration showed that these financial risks exceeded the maximum allowable values ​​by 4 or more times.
            With such excesses of the normal value of business risks - i.e. more than 1 time from the norm - normal businessmen simply don’t even start their own such business project, because it is guaranteed BANKRUPT!
            The same applies to government business projects.
            The pursuit of the Russian authorities to attract foreign labor migration to Russia, as a business project to build our Russian state, must either be CLOSED or significantly changed and limited in favor of Russia's national security, otherwise Russia will cease to exist geopolitically!!!
            Therefore, with such an attitude - in an unlimited pursuit of foreign labor migrants - this state national business project, the leadership of the Russian Federation

            Anyone who is interested can read my analytical article "Financial risks of the national security of the Russian Federation from foreign labor migration" published on "VO" dated March 25, 2015. - https://topwar.ru/71406-finansovye-riski-nacionalnoy-bezopasnosti-rf-ot-inostrannoy-trudovoy-migracii.html

            I am clarifying. Search for this link:
            1. "Zueva T.F. Financial risks of the national security of the Russian Federation from foreign labor migration"
            2. Just go to my profile by clicking "Tatiana"
            1. +1
              14 March 2023 08: 53
              Your comments, dear Tatyana, are no less interesting for a good article in general. I applaud!!!
              1. -2
                14 March 2023 09: 31
                I applaud !!!

                What? The insanity of incoherent same-type sheets of text?
                This lady posted the same messages less than a month ago
                https://topwar.ru/211499-migracija-ne-po-russki-devjatyj-val.html
                1. +3
                  14 March 2023 10: 13
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  This lady posted the same messages less than a month ago

                  If you're talking about a sheet with Milton Friedman, what month?! - for more than a year, as this lady, she regularly posts this text for any reason. wassat But the most amazing thing is that this unfortunate old man has long since died. fellow
                  1. +1
                    14 March 2023 10: 26
                    If you're talking about a sheet with Milton Friedman, what month?! - for more than a year, as this lady, she regularly posts this text for any reason.

                    Take it above - we are talking about a verbatim repetition of the WHOLE message, just follow the link and see for yourself. wink
                    1. +1
                      14 March 2023 11: 00
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Take it above - we are talking about a verbatim repetition of the WHOLE message, just follow the link and see for yourself.

                      yes, I know, it is on this issue that I have repeatedly spoken out before, well, I received it accordingly - the last time I was a "pro-Western apologist marketer", this time "a demagogue who pretends to be smarter than the esteemed Tatyana" laughing
                      1. +2
                        14 March 2023 11: 24
                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Take it above - we are talking about a verbatim repetition of the WHOLE message, just follow the link and see for yourself.

                        yes, I know, it is on this issue that I have repeatedly spoken out before, well, I received it accordingly - the last time I was a "pro-Western apologist marketer", this time "a demagogue who pretends to be smarter than the esteemed Tatyana" laughing

                        Do not befriend the Vile Skeptic! He will bring you to the ban in the most vile provocative way, as he brought the participant of the "Sea Cat" in January 2023, to a ban.
                        Listen to my good advice to you!
                      2. 0
                        14 March 2023 12: 41
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Listen to my good advice to you!

                        Good advice, accompanied by a minus, is somehow not perceived kindly feel
                      3. -1
                        14 March 2023 14: 34
                        He will bring you to the ban in the most vile provocative way, as he brought the participant of the "Sea Cat" in January 2023, to a ban.

                        belay
                        In January 2023, the only topic in which "Tatiana", "Navy Cat" and "The Vile Skeptic" appear at the same time is "The Nuremberg trials and denazification in Germany - myths and reality."
                        And there the Sea Cat communicates with YOU and after YOUR
                        And remember: I am not at all obliged to spend my personal time on you and provide you with information that teaches you specifically according to your Wishlist.

                        moderators began to overwrite the messages of Konstantin.
                      4. +1
                        15 March 2023 15: 58
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        moderators began to overwrite the messages of Konstantin.
                        No need to blame anything bad on the moderators!
                        You were out there in three over women unworthy of men!
                        So all three of them got what they deserved from the moderators, and "Sea Cat" was banned for 1 month!
                        And all because of you, vile skeptic!
                        So, there is no need to lie to you in public in front of me innocent children in kindergarten pose as yourself!
                      5. -2
                        15 March 2023 16: 24
                        You were out there in three over women unworthy of men!

                        What kind of women?
                        The conversation began with the fact that Konstantin asked you to provide confirmation of what you wrote.
                        What you didn't do. But as always. Which was noted. Then you wrote what I quoted above.
                        What do I have to do with your complaint to the moderators?
                        You understand that checking your and my words is as easy as shelling pears by looking at the comments on the article that I indicated. Not ashamed?
                      6. 0
                        15 March 2023 16: 48
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You understand that checking your and my words is as easy as shelling pears by looking at the comments on the article that I indicated. Not ashamed?

                        And there your frills, for which the moderators deleted your comments, are no longer there! So there is no point in checking your male misogynistic "originality"!
                        But you have been quite rightly on my personal black list for a long time. And by the way, people like you, I have 6 participants on my black list - your accomplices, with whom I don’t want to talk in principle. It is pointless to waste time on them, all the same, boring provocateurs will not understand anything and will change everything, like you.

                        It’s a pity that I’m not vindictive and forget about my black list - and no, no, yes, I’ll “peck” at your provocative bait - and I’ll answer you with a creak in my heart to your provocations! Even though I don't want to talk to you.
                        I just forget my offenders and perceive some of them as primary. Therefore, a list of malicious opponents is needed for memory, so that they do not cling to me. Some of them I got rid of myself. I hope that we will part with you forever.
                      7. -2
                        15 March 2023 17: 15
                        And there your frills, for which the moderators deleted your comments, are no longer there!

                        Maybe because my comments weren't deleted? wassat This is easy to prove - if you go to the list of private messages, then you can see whether the messages were deleted or not. Send a screenshot? lol
                        But you have been quite rightly on my personal black list for a long time.

                        What an honor for me lol
                        And by the way, like you, I have 6 participants on my black list - your accomplices

                        You are getting more and more scared.
                        It's a pity that I'm not vindictive

                        lol
                        I hope that we will part with you forever.

                        Immediately, as soon as you stop writing sheets of incoherent meaningless text.
                      8. 0
                        15 March 2023 19: 07
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Immediately, as soon as you stop writing sheets of incoherent meaningless text.

                        You are not my order! And I am not writing for you and not for your limited "dumb" mind and to correct your incorrigible pro-Western petty-bourgeois, in fact anti-Russian convictions! I have put a cross on you for a long time! You can go further! You are not interesting for me.
                  2. +3
                    14 March 2023 10: 42
                    Quote: Stirbjorn
                    If you're talking about a sheet with Milton Friedman, what month?! - for more than a year, as this lady, she regularly posts this text for any reason. But the most amazing thing is that this unfortunate old man has long since died.
                    And what of it, "that poor old man died a long time ago"
                    You yourself are not only demagogically repeating yourself, but how did your opponent understand what you were saying? Namely.

                    What does the death of a person matter if his ideas are written down, preserved in society and distributed in the education system in people's heads as a GUIDE to action?!
                    For example. The ideas of Christianity, Judaism in general, are several thousand years old! And the founders of Marxism-Leninism - Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin ... also died a long time ago!
                    How can you not understand the significance of the idea as such, and of its adherents in society as its material carriers?! Only as a result of demagogy.

                    So don't pretend to be a demagogue that you are smarter than you really are! And that you are smarter than me. You won't get anything out of this.

                    From me to you a big minus.
                2. +3
                  14 March 2023 10: 21
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  What? The insanity of incoherent same-type sheets of text?

                  What is the insanity, in this?
                  AS A RESULT, qualified Russians are marginalized in their specialty - i.e. they are looking for work no longer in their specialty, but only with higher wages, in order to only feed themselves at least at a minimum, or they themselves emigrate abroad.
                  1. -2
                    14 March 2023 10: 28
                    What is the insanity, in this?

                    Including.
                    1. +4
                      14 March 2023 11: 48
                      Some drama is far from insanity. But "labor" migration - an evil, including, but not only, and in economic terms, or is it also insanity?
                      1. -1
                        14 March 2023 12: 11
                        I take into account in my assessment not "some drama", but the semantic content of the texts. Don't you see that Tatyana simply takes words and combines them into sentences in an arbitrary order without any semantic connection of these words with each other and with the general "idea" of messages?
                        But "labor" migration - an evil, including, but not only, and in economic terms, or is it also insanity?

                        This is a superficial perception of the patient for the layman of the problem of a low standard of living. The problem is not in labor migration. It's just convenient for interested parties to shift arrows from the root of the problem to migrants.
                        PS In fact, if you fulfill the wishes of Tatyana and others like her to ban labor migrants, then the result will be exactly the opposite of what Tatyana and others like her postulate - for the majority of the population living by selling their labor force to the employer, nothing will change (that is, it will not get better), but for some part of the population, life will become even harder.
                      2. +2
                        14 March 2023 12: 58
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        In fact, if Tatiana's wishlist and others like her to ban labor migrants are fulfilled, the result will be exactly the opposite .. .... but for some part of the population life will become even harder.

                        Let me ask you - for what, and why?
                      3. -3
                        14 March 2023 13: 40
                        for what

                        And there is a hodgepodge of factors. For example, for employees of those small private commercial organizations whose activities are related to the procedure for determining the reliability of the estimated cost in the bodies of state expertise. Or for the bottom income quintile.
                        why

                        Because the result of replacing a low-paid labor force with a highly paid one of the same productivity will be an increase in prices, which simply eats up the growth of the payroll, since the payroll is an integral part of the cost of the product.
                      4. +1
                        14 March 2023 14: 49
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        For example, for employees of those small private commercial organizations whose activities are related to the procedure for determining the reliability of the estimated cost in the bodies of state expertise.

                        What a state-forming stratum ... And then if you are not fooling me now.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Because the result of replacing a low-paid labor force with a highly paid one of the same productivity will be an increase in prices, which simply eats up the growth of the payroll, since the payroll is an integral part of the cost of the product.
                        Shouldn't this be compensated by the higher productivity (quality) of a higher paid workforce?
                        Well, the export of wages does not particularly increase profits and turnover in the field (in Russia). And the criminalization of migrants worsens economic indicators - directly.
                      5. -1
                        14 March 2023 14: 59
                        What a state-forming stratum ... And then if you are not fooling me now.

                        belay Where did you see at least something that looks like the phrase "state-forming stratum"?
                        Shouldn't this be compensated by the higher productivity (quality) of a higher paid workforce?

                        And from what miracle productivity will become higher? Or will a non-migrant, for example, pick more cucumbers by hand in the field per hour than a migrant? Have a couple more arms grown?
                        And the criminalization of migrants worsens economic indicators - directly.

                        Criminalization of non-migrants - improves? Those who come not to work, but to distribute drugs and the like, are not part of the total labor force of the country, and therefore don't occupy place of a non-migrant in the market. labor.
                        Well, the export of wages does not increase much profit и turnover

                        These indicators of the enterprise DO NOT depend on whether the salary left the country or not.
                      6. +2
                        15 March 2023 03: 42
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Where did you see at least something that looks like the phrase "state-forming stratum"?
                        So I wrote this, in an ironic way ... winked

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And from what miracle productivity will become higher? Or will a non-migrant, for example, pick more cucumbers by hand in the field per hour than a migrant? Have a couple more arms grown?
                        Improves mechanization and automation, including collection. And now the operator and the adjuster, not to mention the assemblers and designers, are simply obliged to have a higher salary, aren't they?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Criminalization of non-migrants - improves?
                        I did not expect such a sketch from you ... But are they not cream. migrants and non-migrants as links in the same chain, through the corruption of bodies by diasporas, for example.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Those who come not to work, but to distribute drugs and the like, are not part of the total labor force of the country, and therefore do not take the place of a non-migrant in the market. labor.
                        They come under the guise of mass labor migration, involve migrants and not only in their "affairs", artificially produce "laundering" - displacing small enterprises - public catering, for example, and even writing out "compatriots" there. Direct damage.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        These indicators of the enterprise DO NOT depend on whether the salary left the country or not.
                        Even in the "locals" - this is far from a single enterprise, not to mention the regions and the country.
                        I did not expect such a weak argument from you ...
                      7. -2
                        15 March 2023 10: 02
                        So I wrote this, in an ironic way ...

                        Was the irony that you did not understand what was written by the interlocutor? Or in what?
                        Improves mechanization and automation, including collection. And now the operator and the adjuster, not to mention the assemblers and designers, are simply obliged to have a higher salary, aren't they?

                        1) Mechanization and automation are not derived from the citizenship of the employee, these are characteristics that are independent of each other. Mechanization / automation is either there or not, if it is not, then the result will not be affected by the citizenship of the employee, if it is, then the employee (for the same duties) is not needed at all.
                        So why should productivity become higher only from the fact that the payroll for non-migrants will be increased by directives (namely, Yaroslavna’s “crying” about this - non-migrants are beaten by wages, they must be removed, then the proletariat will be able to dictate conditions to the employer and demand an increase in wages)? What this will lead to, I wrote - the purchasing power will still not change, since the prices at which the payroll sits will immediately rise.
                        2) It seemed to be about "the selection of Russian jobs by migrants and the low salary of Russians because of migrants" - migrants do not occupy the niche of designers or machine builders in the labor market.
                        3) You replace the low-paid-high-paid pair with the low-skilled-highly-skilled pair - migrants compete with non-migrants in specific niches (low qualifications, that is, on-the-job training is enough to acquire working skills) in the labor market. Therefore, the exit of arguments beyond this niche is manipulation.
                        I did not expect such a sketch from you ... But are they not cream. migrants and non-migrants as links in the same chain, through the corruption of bodies by diasporas, for example.
                        They come under the guise of mass labor migration, involve migrants and not only in their "affairs", artificially produce "laundering" - displacing small enterprises - public catering, for example, and even writing out "compatriots" there. Direct damage.

                        And there is no throw. There is simply a question that is unpleasant for you, since there is nothing to oppose to it without slipping into manipulation. Therefore, you are replacing the economic influence of labor migrants (the subject of conversation) with the social influence of diasporas (some of which do not apply to labor migration, since they are naturalized).
                        Even in the "locals" - this is far from a single enterprise, not to mention the regions and the country.
                        I did not expect such a weak argument from you ...

                        Well, I'm sorry that I didn't live up to your expectations, because I understand that:
                        1) from the scaling of business activity indicators (profit and turnover), their formulas do not change and new variables do not appear in them that are responsible for whether the RFP left the country or not
                        2) there is no indicator of profit or turnover for the country or region in the country's economy - this is a journalistic formulation that ordinary people consider a scientific term, and not, in fact, a scientific term. Profit can only be for economic entities (commercial) that have some kind of state affiliation (registration). Such subjects can be physical. and legal persons, but not states. To say "this is far from being a single enterprise" is to immediately sign the possession of the subject of conversation at the level of publications of "economists" from Yandex.Dzena. If you want to argue, then I ask you to start your answer with an indication of the OGRN of the Russian Federation (state).
                      8. -2
                        15 March 2023 10: 49
                        gotta remove them

                        By "them" should be understood migrants.
                      9. 0
                        15 March 2023 13: 03
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Those who come not to work, but to distribute drugs and the like, are not part of the total labor force of the country, and therefore do not take the place of a non-migrant in the market. labor.
                        They come under the guise of mass labor migration, involve migrants and not only in their "affairs", artificially produce "laundering" - displacing small enterprises - public catering, for example, and even writing out "compatriots" there. Direct damage.

                        A well-known entrepreneur Agalarov in the construction industry has now admitted that the cheapness of labor of Central Asian guest workers is a myth, and he told why he pays the state for gasbreiters.

                        Journalist Pavel Pryanikov responded to these revelations of Agalarov in the following way:
                        “Here even no comments are required. This is just an elementary unwillingness of the authorities to develop their own labor market. And only for one reason: the Central Asian is submissive (for now), and the Russian worker for a salary of 120-130 thousand, which in reality the migrant costs, will demand rights, improve the quality of life and quality of management (which, to put it mildly, is very low). Further, it will require its participation in politics (at least at the local level), will call into question the competence of dense liberals and security officers. Well, and further with all the consequences.
                        And so - for the sake of survival, a Russian must compete with an Uzbek and a Tajik (estimate himself lower than a resident of a prehistoric village), bring down the price for his work and keep his dissatisfaction with the existing order of things to himself ...»
                        See details - Not cheaper, but more obedient! Why construction companies love migrant workers so much lf2021g11xqsr17

                        TOTAL. Those. we are talking about the problem of the manifestation of a conscious pro-Western-colonial-liberal-"market"" anti-Russian policy of the Russian authorities in the spirit of the implementation of the bluff American ideology of Milton Friedman for the US colonies on a free market for capital, goods and labor with its monetarism * the pursuit of financial profits) with the destruction of NATIONAL SECURITY and SOVEREIGNTY of nation states for their SELF-LIQUIDATION.
                        И it is expressed including in the form of maintaining in the Russian Federation a system of deliberate EXCLUSION by the authorities and entrepreneurs from the Russian labor market of EXACTLY their own DOMESTIC working class - in the form of bourgeois-colonial containment of its numbers, its political co-organization and development in Russia itself.

                        It is precisely on this TRUTH, as on a vertilator, that the "Vile Skeptic" throws his demagogy. At the same time, either the realization of this truth has not yet touched him and he does not live in Russia, or he is simply a non-Russian himself and does not give a damn about Russia. It's just realizing your hypersensitive conceit in the form of your own self-affirmation over others.
                      10. -1
                        15 March 2023 13: 40
                        Do you remember yourself? You said yesterday that migrants are more profitable because they have to pay less. Today you say that their cheapness is a myth. What will you tell tomorrow - exactly the next nonsense that you find on the Internet? But with the obligatory addition of your template set of words that are not related to each other wassat
                      11. +1
                        15 March 2023 15: 24
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Do you remember yourself? You said yesterday that migrants are more profitable because they have to pay less. Today you say that their cheapness is a myth.
                        The foreign labor migration policy of the authorities has many sides. To consider the problem from different sides - not only one does not interfere with the other, but this is how the problem should be considered in the complex as new information becomes available.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The well-known entrepreneur Agalarov in the construction industry has now admitted that the cheapness of labor of Central Asian guest workers is a myth, and told why he pays the state for gasbreiters.
                        Journalist Pavel Pryanikov responded to these revelations of Agalarov in the following way: <...>
                        First of all. It all depends on the financial capabilities of a particular industrial construction organization promoted on the market. But these are by and large few.
                        А the number of guest workers with issued work licenses is generally no more than 15% of the total number of guest workers arriving in the country.
                        Remaining part out of 100%-15% = 85*% of guest workers also work, but unofficially, filling the Russian labor market on a privately owned basis of small construction firms or individual entrepreneurship. In fact, such "benefits" for guest workers, as indicated by Agalarov, do not apply to them. These migrant workers pay for everything for themselves and agree to any work at half price, just to get a job quickly, at the same time, as a rule, they do not have the appropriate qualifications, and even with fake documents about the profession. And then, having received advances on wages, they simply "throw" their employers.

                        TOTAL In both cases, there is a DUMPING of wages for Russians in the Russian labor market and, as a result, a SUBSTITUTION of the country's indigenous population by foreign migrants.

                        And secondly. I deliberately cited as an example exactly APPLIED article on this topicavailable to everyone on the internet. She has and directly related to this issue. and illuminates it from a different perspective, which nevertheless does not change the essence of the problem of foreign migration policy in Russia on the part of the authorities at all!
                        Where did you see a logical contradiction in me? I don't have it.
                        It's just that you yourself are far from the essence of the problem and from the practical application of the dialectical principle of "Unity of analysis and synthesis", as well as the principle of "Transition from SINGLE to GENERAL through SPECIAL" and were unable to draw logically correct conclusions. Or these conclusions simply contradict your personal vital interests and principles.
                      12. -1
                        15 March 2023 15: 43
                        It's just that you yourself are far from the essence of the problem and from the practical application of the dialectical principle of "Unity of analysis and synthesis", as well as the principle of "Transition from SINGLE to GENERAL through SPECIAL" and were unable to draw logically correct conclusions. Or they simply contradict your personal vital interests.

                        Why me, why not you? lol
                        Forgive me for the indiscreet question, what qualification (field of study) are indicated in your diploma (or diplomas) of education?
                      13. 0
                        15 March 2023 16: 17
                        I have two degrees.
                        Basic technical. Mechanical engineer-designer-researcher.
                        + Postgraduate study. A course in logic and pedagogy and passing all candidate exams.
                        Second humanitarian. Manager of financial, economic and administrative divisions. Department of Entrepreneurship and Commercial Activities.
                        Additional professional development - a specialist in the selection of personnel and personnel services.

                        And what is your education, if not a secret?
                      14. -1
                        15 March 2023 17: 02
                        Mechanical engineer-designer-researcher

                        1) "engineer-mechanic-designer-researcher" in what area of ​​training? Mining, aircraft testing, medical cybernetics..?
                        2) the qualification "engineer-mechanic-designer-researcher" is not in the list of specialties of higher education. Well, only if you are not in a private shop, not related to the Ministry of Defense, received an education. Anything can be there.
                        https://docs.cntd.ru/document/499045862

                        Although it is Russian, it was not in the Soviet either.
                      15. 0
                        15 March 2023 17: 24
                        I had a research diploma at the Department of Light Industry Apparatus Design at a state university. As an exception. Since I graduated from the technical school of aircraft instrumentation and automation before entering the university and had 3 years of experience in design work at a plant in the military-industrial complex, I was recruited to work on a project at the department of designing light industry apparatuses in the form of a thesis. It was necessary to check the scientific consistency of the candidate's dissertation of one candidate of sciences. Those. conduct independently the same study on the same technical problem and determine the prospect for its further development.

                        And what is your education, if not a secret? You did not answer.
                      16. -1
                        15 March 2023 19: 26
                        Actually, about the qualification “engineer-mechanic-designer-researcher”, which does not exist in nature, the question remained open. But that doesn't matter. I asked about education not just out of curiosity, but in relation to our controversy. You are accusing migrants of taking our jobs away from us. And you are not embarrassed that, according to your own words, you worked in a VET in the construction industry. That is, they took away a job from a qualified civil engineer, replacing it with their own unskilled labor (since you are qualified in mechanical engineering, not construction). How are you different from a labor migrant?
                        I'll send you a private message.
                      17. 0
                        15 March 2023 20: 47
                        And I, firstly, worked at a construction site under the guidance of the head of technical supervision in construction and, thanks to system engineering education, quickly got used to building standards in civil housing construction, especially since I am a general mechanical engineer-designer. And the methods of checking building codes in the field are not difficult.

                        And secondly, I got a job in a construction organization of customers after an emergency occurred at this construction site with a fatal outcome due to the fault of guest workers who did not properly fix the profiled sheet on the balcony of the 5th floor at the end of the working day and it from a strong wind on the other day in the morning blew down. And down there in the yard at that time a Russian woman painter was walking with a bucket of paint in her hands. Here is her Russian woman and the mother of three children, while this professional sheet was hacked in half - from her shoulder to her navel, when she walked through the yard with a bucket of paint in her hands.
                        The migrant workers, of course, disappeared, and the former 42-year-old head of technical supervision, who also had a wife and two small children, was dragged into the prosecutor's office until he had a heart attack, from which he died.

                        The new technical supervision demanded an assistant directly at the facility. I was offered this job. My contract just ended in another place and a friend persuaded me to take this job. Nobody just went there. And with my education, I completely satisfied the new head of technical supervision. He was very pleased with me. And I have learned a lot from him. Including communicating with the migrant workers themselves and checking the quality of their work.

                        You have very limited ideas about the profession of a mechanical engineer. This profession is very broad profile.
                      18. -1
                        16 March 2023 14: 38
                        And I, firstly, worked at a construction site under the guidance of the head of technical supervision in construction

                        AND? This does not negate the fact that you, having not received the qualification of a builder, took the place of a person who received such a qualification.
                        thanks to system engineering education, I quickly got used to building standards in civil housing construction, especially since I am a general mechanical engineer-designer. And the methods of checking building codes in the field are not difficult.

                        It would be funny if it was not so sad.
                        And with my education, I completely satisfied the new head of technical supervision. He was very pleased with me.

                        Of course, you have arranged it, you can be paid less than the qualified builder whose place you have taken. In turn, a skilled builder, whose place you have taken, in order to earn a piece of bread, will look for any job, and will also agree to a lower salary, just to get a job. And so on and so forth. Do you understand what chain you started? Everyone is not at their jobs and everyone is on a smaller salary. request
                        You have very limited ideas about the profession of a mechanical engineer. This profession is very broad profile.

                        Latissimus in your case laughing Maybe everything is much more prosaic, huh?
                      19. +1
                        15 March 2023 21: 13
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        How are you different from a labor migrant?

                        Everything that I have earned, I spend in Russia and do not withdraw money from my country.

                        And many guest workers, besides, are so illiterate that they can’t even measure anything by a ruler; they don't understand the drawings at all, even if they speak Russian. Marriage from them to a fig. People come to Russia not to earn money, but simply to grab.
                        You begin to shame them for the unsolicited quality of their work, and in response they say that they are not ashamed at all. You ask them: "Why not ashamed?" - "But because Russia owes us!" - "Why is this for the sake of it? And when did Russia owe you so much that you treat it like that?" - "And since 1917!" “Who told you that?” “But Lenin told us so!”
                      20. +1
                        16 March 2023 12: 10
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        ...... to be ashamed of the unsolicited quality of their work, and in response they say that they are not ashamed at all. You ask them: "Why not ashamed?" - "But because Russia owes us!" ...... -

                        Not far from my house, they were doing repairs in an apartment on the 12th floor. And what they had left there, they began to pour out of the bags from the balcony .... cement in bags, or something ... and there three houses converge at the ends. And everything flew not only down, but also blew into the neighboring houses. And when people began to scold them, they, of course, hid. It was on a bright sunny day. And in Pollustrovo, they were doing repairs on the 6th floor and began to slowly throw pieces of furniture down onto the lawn. And they didn't say anything. Then they threw down the old wardrobe. He fell and collapsed. When they began to scold them, they said that they did not understand anything in Russian, and the owner told them so. They shut up and pretended they weren't there.
                      21. -1
                        16 March 2023 14: 49
                        Everything that I have earned, I spend in Russia and do not withdraw money from my country.

                        On your second education (economics) you can put an end to it. Migrants do not withdraw money from the country. If you do not agree, write the withdrawal procedure, please.
                        You ask them: "Why not ashamed?" - "But because Russia owes us!" - "Why is this for the sake of it? And when did Russia owe you so much that you treat it like that?" - "And since 1917!" “Who told you that?” “But Lenin told us so!”

                        Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers.
                      22. +1
                        15 March 2023 17: 31
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Was the irony that you did not understand what was written by the interlocutor? Or in what?

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        For example, for employees of those small private commercial organizations whose activities are related to the procedure for determining the reliability of the estimated cost in the bodies of state expertise.

                        What state-forming stratum ...

                        The irony is that the number of employees is vanishingly small even for the city-forming stratum, let alone the state-forming one...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        1) Mechanization and automation are not derived from the citizenship of the employee, these are characteristics that are independent of each other. Mechanization / automation is either there or not, if it is not, then the result will not be affected by the citizenship of the employee, if it is, then the employee (for the same duties) is not needed at all.
                        A/M allows a smaller number of more qualified personnel to do the same or more work. Those. a large number of nequals becomes unnecessary. personnel - in our case, migrants. It's strange that you don't understand this...


                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        productivity only from the fact that the payroll for non-migrants will be increased by directives
                        You stubbornly fail to notice that the payroll will remain the same for residents and migrants, just by a conventional unit of payroll there are either more migrants, or rather a difference in pockets, with a worse quality of the product, i.e. drank - so what so.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        It seemed to be about "the selection of Russian jobs by migrants and the low salary of Russians because of migrants" - migrants do not occupy the niche of designers or machine builders in the labor market.
                        Migrants take the place of mechanization and automation means, which means more qualified, albeit fewer, operators, adjusters, assemblers, and so on.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        migrants compete with non-migrants in specific niches (low qualifications, that is, on-the-job training is enough to acquire work skills) in the labor market.

                        Migrants take the place of mechanization and automation means, which means more qualified, albeit fewer, operators, adjusters, assemblers, and so on.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Therefore, you are replacing the economic influence of labor migrants (the subject of conversation) with the social influence of diasporas (some of which do not apply to labor migration, since they are naturalized).
                        It’s not me who replaces, but they combine, and you directly ignore the damage to both the economy and demography by such a phenomenon:
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        They come under the guise of mass labor migration, involve migrants and not only in their "affairs", artificially produce "laundering" - displacing small enterprises - public catering, for example, and even writing out "compatriots" there. Direct damage.

                        And the "naturalized" in the first place - with the help of the corrupt, and secondly - they drag their fellow tribesmen under the guise of "naturalization".


                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        from the scaling of business activity indicators (profit and turnover), their formulas do not change and new variables do not appear in them that are responsible for whether the salary has left the country or not
                        This is what I don't understand. Wages that have gone abroad are incomes that have gone abroad and not spent in Russia ... Funds withdrawn abroad - in other words.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        there is no indicator of profit or turnover for the country or region in the country's economy - this is a journalistic formulation that ordinary people consider a scientific term, and not, in fact, a scientific term. Profit can only be for economic entities (commercial) that have some kind of state affiliation (registration). Such subjects can be physical. and legal individuals, not states. To say "this is far from being a single enterprise" is to immediately sign the possession of the subject of conversation at the level of publications of "economists" from Yandex.Dzena.

                        Against the background of ignoring the withdrawal of funds from Russia by migrants, with a dubious return - your words are some kind of demagogy, excuse me.
                      23. -2
                        15 March 2023 19: 02
                        The irony is that the number of employees is vanishingly small even for the city-forming stratum, let alone the state-forming one...

                        The irony is that you, without understanding what I wrote, are making stupid statements.
                        A/M allows a smaller number of more qualified personnel to do the same or more work. Those. a large number of nequals becomes unnecessary. personnel - in our case, migrants. It's strange that you don't understand this...

                        It is strange that you do not understand that unskilled personnel are personnel who need on-the-job training to acquire working skills. Nothing more, nothing less. And the passport has nothing to do with it. Therefore, automation will take away work from unskilled Russian workers in exactly the same way as from migrants. As it happened, for example, at ShchLZ, when OTIS bought out a part. This is the first moment. The second point is that you cannot replace a person with a machine everywhere.
                        You stubbornly fail to notice that the payroll will remain the same for residents and migrants, just by a conventional unit of payroll there are either more migrants, or rather a difference in pockets, with a worse quality of the product, i.e. drank - so what so.

                        You stubbornly argue about those things in which you are not an expert. First, there are no "conditional" payroll units. Secondly, for the work for which you need to attract X people, no one will hire X + Y - this is complete nonsense, such a parameter in the ESN as labor costs does not just exist. Thirdly, the cost of anything is the sum of payroll (ZP + ZPM) + EMM + MAT + HP + SP. "The difference in the pocket" is a decrease in payroll and an increase in joint venture. I summarize - do not get into an argument where you do not understand.
                        Migrants take the place of mechanization and automation means, which means more qualified, albeit fewer, operators, adjusters, assemblers, and so on.

                        Your answer is not related to what I wrote. According to what I wrote, you can hear not something, but having a connection with my text?
                        It’s not me who replaces, but they combine, and you directly ignore the damage to both the economy and demography by such a phenomenon

                        Because it doesn't exist. There is nothing to ignore. Well, tell us about the laundering scheme with the help of public catering. Cheer me up. And at the same time, tell us about the "bad" activities of the same social stratum, but already among non-migrants. Being determines consciousness. And you can't get away from it.
                        And "naturalized" in the first place - with the help of corrupt

                        And?
                        This is what I don't understand. Wages that have gone abroad are incomes that have gone abroad and not spent in Russia ... Funds withdrawn abroad - in other words.

                        Everything is very simple. Remember what I wrote above:
                        the cost of anything is the sum of the payroll (ZP + ZPM) + EMM + MAT + HP + SP

                        Payroll is not income, income is joint venture. For the same re-equipment of an enterprise with automation tools, money is taken from profit, wages are an expense, you can’t take anything from it, that’s all, you gave it to employees. Well, the employee took the money (the equivalent of the goods/services) out of the country, the goods produced/services rendered remained in the country. The country does not lose anything (even the paper on which the banknotes are printed), only the worker loses on currency conversion. It is bad when the same joint venture leaves the country, washing away funds for further development of the economy.
                        Against the background of ignoring the withdrawal of funds from Russia by migrants, with a dubious return - your words are some kind of demagogy, excuse me.

                        So what about the OGRN of the Russian Federation, not a demagogue?
                      24. 0
                        16 March 2023 05: 50
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The irony is that you, without understanding what I wrote, are making stupid statements.

                        Those. You claim that
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        For example, for employees of those small private commercial organizations whose activities are related to the procedure for determining the reliability of the estimated cost in the bodies of state expertise.
                        the number of these employees is so great that they form the basis of the Russian economy?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And the passport has nothing to do with it. Therefore, automation will take away work from unskilled Russian workers in exactly the same way as from migrants.

                        That is, you say that there are as many unskilled Russians as there are unskilled Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Kyrgyz, etc.?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The second point is that you cannot replace a person with a machine everywhere.
                        But there was a place for the Russians. Or are you saying that this place is already taken?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You stubbornly argue about those things in which you are not an expert. First, there are no "conditional" payroll units.
                        Yes, it's enough not to be a fool. And the "conditional payroll unit" is only here - it is used in specific comments, and you understand what it is about ...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        no one will hire X + Y - this is complete nonsense, such a parameter in the ESN as labor costs does not just exist.
                        On a piece of paper, in the standard - maybe, but in fact one is waving a broom, and the second is trading "for us". Don't pretend it doesn't exist.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        "The difference in the pocket" is a decrease in payroll and an increase in joint venture. I summarize - do not get into an argument where you do not understand.
                        It's simply amazing... To pretend that there are no Tajiks working for half a salary and giving the other half to the "roof"... Excuse me. It even worked in Soviet times, from the labor of pensioners.
                        I summarize - you simply ignore the obvious things, hiding behind scientific formulations ...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well, tell us about the laundering scheme with the help of public catering.
                        What, do you think that it is impossible to fill fictitious checks at the checkout for unroasted barbecue?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well, the employee took the money (the equivalent of the goods/services) out of the country, the goods produced/services rendered remained in the country.
                        Once again I'm amazed! You ignore the fact that these incomes (yes, wages, even black ones - the income of an employee), are not spent in Russia, respectively, neither sellers, nor producers of goods, nor service providers receive income from them. This is an elementary thing, and it doesn’t matter who withdrew these funds - an oligarch or a million migrants, and even washing out the currency from the country along the way, and even providing an incomprehensible quality of service. Or will you argue that the withdrawal of funds from the country is good?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        For the same re-equipment of an enterprise with automation tools, money is taken from profit, wages are an expense, you can’t take anything from it, that’s all, you gave it to employees.
                        Entrepreneurs who use two migrants instead of one resident will not carry out any automation from their profits, no matter what you think ...

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And at the same time, tell us about the "bad" activities of the same social stratum, but already among non-migrants. Being determines consciousness. And you can't get away from it.
                        Well, there is, well, they harm as much as they can, but this means that in addition to criminals from among the residents, criminals from among the "migrants" are also acceptable?! And the fact that an increase in the number of migrants directly leads to an increase in unemployment among residents is news to you? Or maybe you do not know the direct relationship between the growth of crime and the growth of unemployment?!


                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        So what about the OGRN of the Russian Federation, not a demagogue?
                        He doesn't exist, so what? Does this cancel the fact that Russia has an economy? And the fact that the withdrawal of funds without adequate compensation harms the economy? Or the fact that the growth of crime "due to" mass migration harms the interests of the country and the people? Yes, even the TIN or PBOYUL will not cancel this.
                      25. -1
                        16 March 2023 14: 09
                        Those. Are you saying that ... the number of these employees is so large that they form the basis of the Russian economy?

                        Tell me, do you spend time trying to understand what the interlocutor wrote, or do you just want to unsubscribe?
                        I argue that for the indicated category (one of the indicated), after the implementation of the ideas of Tatyana and others like her, life will become more complicated due to the fall in their personal purchasing power. And these millions (offhand, using the data of the Federal State Statistics Service only in this category of 3,3 million people) people will not care if they are the basis of the economy or not.
                        That is, you say that there are as many unskilled Russians as there are unskilled Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Kyrgyz, etc.?

                        I wrote very precisely what I am saying - automation will take away work from unskilled Russian workers in exactly the same way as from migrants.
                        But there was a place for the Russians. Or are you saying that this place is already taken?

                        1) As a result of the above procedure, a place was found for them only on the labor exchange, since the "optimized" workers unbalanced the balance of supply and demand in the unskilled labor market, which has its own capacity.
                        2) In relation to Russian realities, the problem is not in the place, but in the absence of who will take this place - the natural population decline over 5 years (2017-2021) is 2,4 million people.
                        Yes, it's enough not to be a fool. And the "conditional payroll unit" is only here - in specific comments it is used

                        1) Not enough. Our conversation is proof of that. Not to mention the fact that a person who is so self-critical that he evaluates himself as a fool still needs to be looked for. Ego-s does not allow.
                        2) Naturally, the "conditional payroll unit" is used only here and only by you. Because there is no such indicator. It doesn't exist because it doesn't make sense.
                        On a piece of paper, in the standard - maybe, but in fact one is waving a broom, and the second is trading "for us". Don't pretend it doesn't exist.

                        Let's talk about the "broom waving" lol Management companies with municipalities are bound by contractual obligations to maintain adjacent territories in exactly the same way as with homeowners. Therefore, all tariffs at which the Criminal Code charges the cost of its services in bills are approved by the municipalities. Which are guided by regulatory documents of the Russian Federation. In particular, for "waving a broom" by Order of the State Construction Committee of the Russian Federation dated 09.12.99 N 139, which establishes time standards and service standards for work on the sanitary maintenance of households. And if it says that the norm is "to wave a broom" for 1 janitor, for example, for a 2nd class territory with unimproved coverage of 3231 m2, then the number of janitors will be obtained by dividing the cleaned area by this standard. If 1 janitor was enough for cleaning, the management company will not hire a second one FOR THE SAME JOB. In Russian realities, the Criminal Code shows the municipality one cost of the janitor's salary, and the hired migrant agrees to clean twice the standard for it. Saving UK FOT for one more janitor. But this is a lyrical digression, the main thing is that if it seems to you that the norms are only on paper, and not in life, then you simply do not know something.
                        It's simply amazing ... To pretend that there are no Tajiks working for half a salary and giving the other half to the "roof" ...

                        This is a decrease in the payroll and an increase in the joint venture. Doesn't it bother you yourself that you yourself use the word with the prefix "half-", which means "less than a whole"?
                        What, do you think that it is impossible to fill fictitious checks at the checkout for unroasted barbecue?

                        I know that "barbecue grillers" are accountable not only for income, but also for expenses. If you think that you can show that you spent a ruble, but earned a hundred, and the tax office will not come to you tomorrow, then you overlooked something in your ideas. Especially after 2018.
                        yes, a salary, even a black one, is an employee's income

                        One problem is that an employee is not a subject of economic activity. And then you somehow very easily forget yourself - "Even in the" places "- this is far from being a single enterprise, not to mention the regions and the country." Therefore, for an economy (even a market one, even a planned one), his personal income is an expense.
                        You ignore the fact that these incomes ... are not spent in Russia, respectively, neither sellers, nor producers of goods, nor service providers receive income from them.

                        Where are they spent? We have a ruble zone, the migrant gave his 100 rubles to the bank, compensating the bank for the cost of the bank's foreign exchange operations for buying dollars. The bank issued the 100 rubles received from the migrant as a salary to its employees, who spent it within the country or on credit to develop a business for someone again inside the country.
                        Or will you argue that the withdrawal of funds from the country is good?

                        And you read the messages of the interlocutor, then many questions will not appear - "It's bad when the very same joint venture leaves the country, washing out funds for the further development of the economy." You don’t understand what is income and what is expense, you don’t understand the difference between the subject and the object of economic activity, so it seems to you that the withdrawal of expenses somehow negatively affects the economy))))
                        Entrepreneurs who use two migrants instead of one resident will not carry out any automation from their profits, no matter what you think ...

                        If we discard the situation when there is simply no desire to carry it out, then they have at least a higher opportunity to carry it out, since, other things being equal, more labor costs will create more surplus value.
                        does it mean that in addition to criminals from among the residents, criminals from among the "migrants" are also acceptable?!

                        Criminals are unacceptable from among anyone.
                        And the fact that an increase in the number of migrants directly leads to an increase in unemployment among residents is news to you?

                        For me, the news is that unemployment is increasing in our country (with a natural decline and economic growth, demand will exceed supply, well, or everyone was replaced by robots, but then the unemployment rate will cease to mean anything, as society will switch to an unconditional income)
                        Or maybe you do not know the direct relationship between the growth of crime and the growth of unemployment?!

                        It remains to wait for the rise in unemployment. Maybe this will happen before you realize that migrants compensate for the shortage of labor (again, remind about -2,4 million in 5 years?), And do not replace it, as Tatyana and others like her broadcast.
                        He doesn't exist, so what? Does this cancel the fact that Russia has an economy?

                        This cancels the meaning of continuing the conversation with an interlocutor who is incompetent in the subject of the conversation.
                      26. 0
                        17 March 2023 04: 22
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Tell me, do you spend time trying to understand what the interlocutor wrote, or do you just want to unsubscribe?

                        You don't seem to even try to understand what my irony was. You are talking cleanly.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        (offhand using the FSGS data only in this category 3,3 million people)

                        Come on, for a country of 100-odd million people. 3,3 million just private surveyors?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        for employees of those small private commercial organizations whose activities are related to the procedure for determining the reliability of the estimated cost in the bodies of state expertise.

                        But the point is not even in millions, but in the fact that why would a hypothetical (unfortunately) rejection of "labor" migrants negatively affect them ALL?

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I wrote very precisely what I am saying - automation will take away work from unskilled Russian workers in exactly the same way as from migrants.
                        Yes, at the same time they evaded that there are clearly more such non-Russians (non-Russians). And for a larger number, after all, the blow will be greater. But below they themselves found places for the unskilled (incapable for various reasons of full-fledged activity).

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        The second point is that you cannot replace a person with a machine everywhere.
                        But there was a place for the Russians. Or are you saying that this place is already taken?
                        And judging by the chattering, frankly, I see no reason to quote, you clearly refuse Russians in these places.


                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        In Russian realities, the Criminal Code shows the municipality one cost of the janitor's salary, and the hired migrant agrees to clean twice the standard for it.
                        And after these words, you rub something (I can’t find another word) about following the rules in life? And do you sincerely believe that they are "saving" the second rate, and not letting it into their pocket by signing up the "necessary" migrant for it?
                        Sorry, but if you do not understand the simplest things, then it is not for you to talk about the dangers and benefits of migrants.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        This is a decrease in the payroll and an increase in the joint venture. Doesn't it bother you yourself that you yourself use the word with the prefix "half-", which means "less than a whole"?
                        How cute you missed what I pointed out TWO halves. Half and half is a hop, and a whole.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I know that "barbecue grillers" are accountable not only for income, but also for expenses.
                        And I know, imagine. I just know that even if you rot food, you can simply save on labor costs for cooking. Sorry, but if you do not understand the simplest things, then it is not for you to talk about the harm and benefit of migrants.


                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        One problem is that an employee is not a subject of economic activity. And then you somehow very easily forget yourself - "Even in the" places "- this is far from being a single enterprise, not to mention the regions and the country." Therefore, for an economy (even a market one, even a planned one), his personal income is an expense.
                        What, all? Expenses for the economy if funds are WITHDRAWN from it without adequate compensation. You are so unhappy that I do not read your words, but for some reason you simply ignore mine.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Where are they spent? We have a ruble zone, the migrant gave his 100 rubles to the bank, compensating the bank for the cost of the bank's foreign exchange operations for buying dollars. The bank issued 100 rubles received from a migrant as a salary to its employees
                        Without even wondering where the bank took the dollar, I’ll take an interest - you seriously think that the bank let ALL 100 rubles. for salary? However ... And in general, it is already a common place that profit from bank speculation does not at all mean profit to the economy.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You don’t understand what is income and what is expense, you don’t understand the difference between the subject and the object of economic activity, so it seems to you that the withdrawal of expenses somehow negatively affects the economy
                        This is nonsense - to compare the withdrawal of funds (income) and the withdrawal of expenses. Even if you do not remember the spending on migrants of police, medical and financial (any Centers) resources.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Criminals are unacceptable from among anyone.
                        I do not believe the sincerity of these words of yours, not after those that were written earlier.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        For me, the news is that unemployment is increasing in our country (with a natural decline and economic growth, demand will exceed supply, well, or everyone was replaced by robots, but then the unemployment rate will cease to mean anything, as society will switch to an unconditional income)

                        This is just a great excuse to raise the cost of labor, but people like you will prefer to bring in migrants. And you are clearly confusing robotization with mechanization and automation.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic

                        This cancels the meaning of continuing the conversation with an interlocutor who is incompetent in the subject of the conversation.
                        Sorry, but you either do not understand or ignore elementary things. So yeah, it's pointless to continue.
                3. +1
                  14 March 2023 19: 05
                  And why is this patient with a dislocation of the brain not banned at all?
                  No, of course I understand why this fairy-tale character here writes such nonsense on a regular basis. If you sit on this “God-saved” site for several years, you will learn to understand the rules of the game.
                  But nevertheless .... there are inexperienced beginners who can seriously take her wet fantasies “about the world Jewish-Masonic-Martian-star-striped conspiracy” (wrote straight in her style, 5-6 derogatory adjectives per phrase wassat ), and seriously start discussing with her
                  And of course, there are a couple of dozen ardent supporters with the same alternatively gifted logic.
                  The main thing is more capslock in the text and signs!!! And bayonets will rise from the audience with delight wassat
                4. 0
                  14 March 2023 21: 35
                  Quote: A vile skeptic
                  I applaud !!!

                  What? The insanity of incoherent same-type sheets of text?
                  This lady posted the same messages less than a month ago
                  https://topwar.ru/211499-migracija-ne-po-russki-devjatyj-val.html
                  Alas, I noticed a long time ago the amazing feature of her "works" ... winked
      2. +6
        14 March 2023 08: 54
        I completely agree with you ... from my practice, I have often had to meet with jambs and hemorrhoids made by guest workers.
      3. +3
        14 March 2023 10: 23
        1/2 the price according to the estimate for wages

        payment issued according to the estimate for the performance of this work

        Tatyana, have you ever encountered budget rationing? And it’s not clear on what basis you put words into sentences.
        Russians have to fix and redo their work, which takes working time from unpaid trkdom

        So you're saying that some Russians are hired to do some work with the condition of non-payment? Are you seriously?
        Do you appreciate the difference between a Russian citizen in Russia by 20 thousand and 200 thousand rudders ?!

        And why did 20 suddenly transform into 200 for a Russian in Russia? PPP is an unfamiliar abbreviation for you?
        1. -1
          14 March 2023 12: 08
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          So you're saying that some Russians are hired to do some work with the condition of non-payment? Are you seriously?
          Yes seriously! What surprises you about this? Are you on the clouds with everything ready, and not below on earth, do you live?
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Do you appreciate the difference between a Russian citizen in Russia by 20 thousand and 200 thousand rudders ?!
          And why did 20 suddenly transform into 200 for a Russian in Russia?
          First, quote me in full, and not with your demagoguery, taking sentences out of context in order to prove your alleged rule against mine!
          Quote: Tatiana
          The total dumping salary for a Russian builder due to guest workers is 40 thousand instead of 20 thousand. And how can a Russian citizen live on it with his family in the Russian Federation?
          And for a gaterbeiter in his homeland in the SA, this is the same as if a Russian in Russia worked 20 x 10 times a month = 200 thousand rubles.
          Do you feel the difference between a Russian citizen in Russia by 20 thousand and by 200 thousand rudders?!

          I will add to this that with the alteration of the work of guest workers, the work of Russian builders drops to the level of 40/4 = 10 thousand rubles! And below. And what kind of Russian living in Russia can and will work for her at a construction site?
          That is why our domestic Russian construction market has long been captured by builders-guest workers!

          And I know this because I had a chance to work for 1,5 years as an engineer of the production department in the customer's company for the construction of a multi-storey residential building and its commissioning. I know the "professional" discipline and the quality of work of migrant workers, as flaky. And your hair will stand on end if I write everything about them.
          1. +1
            14 March 2023 12: 45
            Yes seriously! What surprises you about this?

            It is surprising that you consider the Russians de-bilami, who consciously agree to work without pay at all.
            First, quote me in full, and not with your demagoguery, taking sentences out of context in order to prove your alleged rule against mine!

            I quoted exactly as much as is enough to demonstrate that you have frozen another stupidity. In this connection, I repeat the question - Why all of a sudden for a Russian in Russia 20 thousand transformed into 200 thousand?
            Well, Tatyana, have you ever encountered budget rationing?
            worked as a production engineer

            Does this correspond to your specialty obtained in the course of education?
          2. 0
            14 March 2023 19: 18
            A fairy-tale character, but write at least 3 such cases .... I really want my hair to stand on end. And even though I’ve been in construction for 15 years and everything is in the clouds, it seems I’m hovering, I really want to go to the ground ... read nonsense about builders
        2. +2
          14 March 2023 12: 08
          20 thousand transformed into 200 thousand

          She wanted to bring to you that the 20 tons earned by a government worker in Russia = the amount of 200 tons in their homeland, if in their homeland cf. a salary of 2000 tons, then 20 tons is 10 times more ... If in Russia it is 10 times more, then this is 200 tons ...
          1. -1
            14 March 2023 12: 32
            She wanted to tell you that the 20 tons earned by a government worker in Russia = the amount of 200 tons in their homeland

            Ilnur, the problem is that she wrote the following
            The difference Russian in Russia for 20 thousand and for 200 thousand rudders you cheer?!

            What followed a legitimate question
            And why suddenly for a Russian in Russia 20 thousand transformed into 200 thousand?
      4. 0
        15 March 2023 21: 58
        Quote: Tatiana
        As a result, the wages of the Russians themselves are falling due to guest workers in the DOMESTIC RUSSIAN labor market! Moreover, it REALLY DECREASES and turns out to be LOWER by more than 2, or even 4 times, from the estimated wages!

        Yes, our whole country, in relation to Moscow and St. Petersburg, is migrant workers who are ready to plow "from dawn to dusk" for a salary 2-4 times lower than in both capitals! At the same time, the price level in the regions is only 20-30% lower than in the capital, while wages are 2-4 times lower.

        Thus, the real standard of living of the majority of Russians is lower than the level of Muscovites and Petersburgers. This is the time bomb, and not at all the multinational composition of Russia. Sooner or later, the peoples of Russia will declare this problem, as they did in the early 90s.

        Gastarbeiters - this is you, in the capitals! In the regions, these problems do not exist, since the regions are not able to offer them at least some decent wages.
        1. 0
          16 March 2023 09: 32
          Quote: Damir Zakirov
          the real standard of living of the majority of Russians is lower than the level of Muscovites and Petersburgers. This is the time bomb, and not at all the multinational composition of Russia. Sooner or later, the peoples of Russia will declare this problem, as they did in the early 90s.
          How anti-Russian you are illogical in your statement!!!
          And that Moscow and St. Petersburg, in your opinion, are not multinational Russia? And they do not need to be protected from guest workers? Don't guest workers in Moscow and St. Petersburg influence the state budget of the Russian Federation as a whole, which is then distributed over all regions of the country?
          Complaining in favor of the regions of the country, not caring about the well-being of its capitals, is a separatist policy on the part of the radical regionals. Those. this is your clearly Russophobic-narrow-nationalist anti-Russian point of view, and you, to put it mildly, clearly do not notice this behind you.
          Remember that ALL coups d'etat and the collapse of the country ALWAYS start from the capitals and in the capitals! And then they then diverge into regions, like circles on water.

          The topic of labor migrants in Russia (especially from the countries of Central Asia) today is probably one of the most topical. And all why? Yes, because this ever-increasing flow of people brings a lot of problems for our country: from rising unemployment among the indigenous population; the growth of ethnic crime and the growth of national diasporas, more reminiscent of organized crime groups; increasing the financial burden on the social sphere; growth of corruption in the Federal Migration Service and the Ministry of Internal Affairs; to the creation of ethnic enclaves in large settlements of our country, existing according to their own laws, as opposed to local ones.

          Shortly before this, Boris Titov (that Titov again?), Commissioner for the Protection of Entrepreneurs' Rights, proposed ... introducing concessions for labor migrants! One of his initiatives was to extend the patent from 3 to 5 years. One would like to ask, who chose or appointed this citizen to this position? A person who is called upon to protect the interests of Russian entrepreneurs, in fact, works in the interests of foreign citizens.
          See in detail - "Remember these faces - this is a powerful lobby for labor migrants in Russia" dated 15.03.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX - https://dzen.ru/a/ZBBvXQKVTTCDXNay

          I'll add to this. Titiov works not just for the interests of foreign citizens, but together with them for the interests of foreign states.
          1. +2
            16 March 2023 11: 37
            Quote: Tatiana
            Quote: Damir Zakirov
            the real standard of living of the majority of Russians is lower than the level of Muscovites and Petersburgers. This is the time bomb, and not at all the multinational composition of Russia. .....
            ....... And that Moscow and St. Petersburg, in your opinion, are not multinational Russia? And they do not need to be protected from guest workers? Guest workers in Moscow and St. Petersburg do not affect the state budget of the Russian Federation ..... ..... Remember that ALL coup d'état and the collapse of the country ALWAYS start from the capitals and in the capitals! ......

            Hello dear Tatyana hi Yesterday I didn’t have time to read all the comments and didn’t collect my thoughts recourse and not an economist request Here's what. Under the USSR, they tried to blur the differences between the city and the countryside. Schools, recreation centers, hospitals, transport, ... Now the differences are increasing. And it’s not the inhabitants of the capitals who are to blame, but the current system ----- capitalism and the bourgeois ideology of monetarism that is being fostered in the country, about which you explain to all of us, why Sincere thanks to you love
            As a resident of the capital, I can say that we have more guest workers, and there are many diasporas ...... Therefore, one can observe that they can have very decent positions, which our people would not refuse.
            I have always believed that developed countries began to invite guest workers since the 50s ((there is a work by the German author Heinrich Böll (? ‽)) precisely in order to "erode" the proletariat. What would happen with the development and increase in production, the number of proletariat did not happen in the same proportion ...... So that the proletariat would fight not with the owners, but with visitors, which was the case before in Germany, for example. Also, for this, some countries began to withdraw production ..... . hi
            1. 0
              16 March 2023 12: 32
              Hello Dmitry!
              You are correct and you understand everything correctly!

              This process with guest workers is carried out in the country in strict accordance with the hidden meaning of the bourgeois-colonial bluff ideology of the American Milton Friedman, set forth in his book "Capitalism and Freedom" about the alleged existence of the so-called. pro-American "free" and "honest" market of CAPITALS, GOODS (services) and WORK FORCE with its MONETARISM (pursuit of profits), which in the nation-states colonized by the Americans, it destroys not only the domestic working class, but also erodes its national self-identity as citizens of the country, along with their NATIONAL self-SOVEREIGNTY of the country, in favor of foreign colonialists, which is the external control of the United States.

              In this case, Milton Friedman (Eng. Milton Friedman; July 31, 1912, Brooklyn, New York, USA - November 16, 2006, San Francisco, USA) - American economist, winner of the 1976 Alfred Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics for research on consumption, monetary history and theory, and the complexity of stabilization policies.

              Nevertheless, I do not think that M. Friedman invented something new in economics and politics in order to receive the Nobel Prize. The matter is quite different.
              He simply MANIPULISTLY ATTRACTIVELY in his book "Capitalism and Freedom" formalized for the inhabitants into an ideology everything that soared and was in the lead in the minds of other pro-American economists, but was not ideologically formalized.
              Namely. Friedman, along with George Stigler and other economists, was one of the intellectual leaders of the second generation of Chicago price theory, a methodological trend that developed at the University of Chicago from the 1940s.

              TOTAL. In general, I believe that Milton Friedman was awarded the Nobel Prize in the West not at all for his personal economic delights, but precisely for FORMING this liberal-"market" ideology with its monetarism, which - in contrast to the COMMUNIST ideology - was able to take over the world, having made a pro-American colonial STATE COUPUT in the socialist countries and become a practically universal state ideology throughout the world.
              That's it for Washington, for the entire West - as for our enemies, the enemies of Russia - it's worth a lot! Hence the Nobel Prize awarded to M. Friedman.
              1. +2
                16 March 2023 13: 22
                Quote: Tatiana
                .. Friedman ... MANIPULISTLY ATTRACTIVE in his book "Capitalism and Freedom" formalized for the layman into an ideology everything that hovered and led in the minds of other pro-American economists, but was not ideologically formalized ....... Milton Friedman was awarded on West with the Nobel Prize ..... for the DESIGN of this liberal-"market" ideology with its monetarism, which - in contrast to the COMMUNIST ideology - was able to take over the world, having made a pro-American colonial STATE COUPUT in the socialist countries and become a practically universal state ideology throughout the world. .....

                Thank you very much for your reply, Tatyana! hi
                When the USSR was destroyed and capitalism came, cable TV immediately turned on at home and old Hollywood films went on. 50s-70s. Cable was a year before 2002, I watched it as a schoolboy and then as an adult I gradually began to remember what was happening there against the background of words about the unification of workers, about the creation of trade unions, their struggle. ...... And where did it all go? And then there were films where huge abandoned factories, homeless people and crime live there .... And some workers with families in poverty. "Depressed areas???" Detroit destroyed, the skeletons of buildings ...... Probably, this was the Destruction of the proletariat, able to unite, fight, resist When was it? ... request What years, I don't know. How true was it that we wrote about situations in capitalist countries under Khrushchev and then? The nomenklatura of the USSR already had thoughts about uniting with the West
      5. 0
        18 March 2023 06: 40
        And what are the reasons that life is cheaper there?
        Taxes?
        Or is it just that in Russia the merchants monopolize with impunity, form secret cartels and drive up prices? It surprises me why in a Russian store shoes cost 5 tyr, and in the Armenian store the same price is 1 tyr. And why in the French Auchan pharmacy small things are several times cheaper than in our pharmacy. How is it that the French care more about our health?
    2. +2
      14 March 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Russian banks have lent ordinary citizens to the very tonsils ... some are sitting in credit bondage for up to 30 years.

      Let's just say - those who are between 20 and 40 are sitting. They are sitting in a mortgage. Those who are older (and younger) live in their own housing - received or inherited from their parents, it does not matter.
      Thus, in mortgage loans, no more than 1/3 of the population.
      Auto transport is already famously here. In our city, 32 cars are registered for 000 people. We will exclude children under 17 and the elderly. This means that almost every family has a car, and about 000/18 of families have 2.
      These are the largest and longest-term loans.
      1. -1
        15 March 2023 22: 15
        Quote: your1970
        Let's just say - those who are between 20 and 40 are sitting. They are sitting in a mortgage. Those who are older (and younger) live in their own housing - received or inherited from their parents, it does not matter.
        Thus, in mortgage loans, no more than 1/3 of the population.
        Auto transport is already famously here. In our city, 32 cars are registered for 000 people. We will exclude children under 17 and the elderly. This means that almost every family has a car, and about 000/18 of families have 2.

        The entire young part of the Russian Federation lives, travels and fucks on credit! And he has no idea what it is to live for cash.
        This is the modern form of serfdom in the Russian Federation!
    3. +7
      14 March 2023 07: 59
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      they still milk all the citizens of Russia

      The fourth priority of managing humanity is economic

      "Let me manage the country's money, and I don't care who will establish laws there" M. Rothschild



      "It makes no sense for globalizers to completely destroy peoples, some of the slaves must remain. Therefore, you can subordinate their economy to your narrow-clan interests, so much so that people do not even understand what is really happening. This can be done through world money and the institution of credit, with the help of usurious lending interest, when clans of bankers, without producing anything valuable for society, receive frenzied incomes on credit interest, and people, families, whole nations work for a long time to repay them, becoming essentially slaves. the mechanism will take more time, since at first it is necessary to implant a lifeless economic science in society, but it pays off with a big effect, because in this case the whole society, regardless of whether people take loans or not, whether they understand these mechanisms or not, is in fact economically dependent on a narrow layer of bankers, feeding this system like batteries. "
    4. +4
      14 March 2023 10: 22
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Russian banks have lent ordinary citizens to the very tonsils ... some are sitting in credit bondage for up to 30 years.

      Unhappy ordinary citizens. After all, they fought off loans as best they could. But banks with a knife to the throat and a gun to the temple were forced to take out loans. How mean and vile.
      1. +4
        14 March 2023 12: 39
        forced to take loans

        It can be said that if citizens cannot save up in the short term to buy housing (for this, I think, you can take a loan, but not so extortionate), but loans for other purposes, such as for an iPhone and some kind of car, to stand out, but finances do not allow, then I think this is exactly what the bankers and the government got hooked on. The goal of the same bankers and the government: "to nurture a qualified consumer" (fursenko) and a "stupid mass consumer" (gref) ...
        The system is like this, if you want to live beautifully - take a loan ...
  2. +6
    14 March 2023 05: 24
    Let's deal with the ruble somehow. First you need to determine what belongs to the state and what to private individuals.
  3. +3
    14 March 2023 05: 48
    and banks continue to behave like a dog in the manger.


    This idea has been driven into us since the 90s. And what can be credited in the Russian Federation? Most individual entrepreneurs and individuals have unstable informal incomes. Most industries with poor management. They are run and owned by businessmen with the habits of "oligarchs" at the expense of on-lending.
    If production is backward, without a rich domestic market, then it makes no sense to fill it with financial blood.
    In Russia, the state has traditionally dragged private initiative behind it. But modern authorities prefer not to interfere in offshore business.
  4. +11
    14 March 2023 06: 26
    These same people, not long ago, a year ago, wrote about the "gas ruble" and how this ruble will "build" everyone. "Building"?
    1. +1
      14 March 2023 10: 37
      These same people, not long ago, a year ago, wrote about the "gas ruble" and how this ruble will "build" everyone. "Building"?
      It makes no sense every time to comment and explain what has long been explained. As V.I. Lenin said: The state is an apparatus of violence in the hands of the ruling class. So that the oppressed class does not have bitterness towards the ruling class, and there are many methods to divert attention from this violence and injustice. One of them you stated in your comment. hi
      By the way:
      "According to the results of January-November of the current year (2022), the federal budget was executed with a surplus of 560 billion rubles, and the consolidated budget - with a surplus of one trillion 451 billion rubles," Vladimir Putin said.

      https://rg.ru/2022/12/15/putin-rubl-stal-odnoj-iz-samyh-silnyh-valiut-mira.html?ysclid=lf7x8tvdi8591690019
  5. +6
    14 March 2023 06: 31
    I had an idea that the Central Bank has not yet sent the ruble to the abyss only for the reason that the catastrophe of the ruble will lead to the abolition of this enemy central bank in the country. That is, supervisors from the IMF are still creating the appearance of a stable economy in order to preserve the colonial model!
    1. +2
      14 March 2023 07: 46
      Quote: Vladimir80
      I had an idea that the Central Bank has not yet sent the ruble to the abyss only for the reason that the catastrophe of the ruble will lead to the abolition of this enemy central bank in the country. That is, supervisors from the IMF are still creating the appearance of a stable economy in order to preserve the colonial model!

      Judging by your post- the IMF is fighting and will fight so that our economy does not collapse.
      Isn't it strange to you what you wrote???
      1. +3
        14 March 2023 08: 49
        Not strange, they need to maintain control over the sale of resources
        1. +1
          14 March 2023 10: 32
          Quote: Vladimir80
          Not strange, they need to maintain control over the sale of resources

          For this neither
          Quote: Vladimir80
          visibility of a sustainable economy,
          nor just the economy is not needed at all.
          In the 1990s, they managed quite well without the economy at all - when bartering enterprises exchanged linoleum for jam.
          So, on the contrary, they do not need a categorically stable economy - a hole like Iraq after the overthrow of Hussein is the most optimal for them
          1. +1
            14 March 2023 11: 28
            maybe you are right, but the IMF (or other global control superstructures - if they exist) has power only over subordinate structures, in chaos like in Libya or Iraq, or Syria - they will not have any "profit", because. income from resources will be received by criminal, terrorist or separatist structures (for cash, barter or in cryptocurrency)
        2. 0
          14 March 2023 19: 37
          Logic upside down? In a collapsed economy, the selling price for exports will be lower, because it would only fill empty pockets in the country. This is much more profitable for the notorious backstage puppeteer-IMF + control (I wonder how it looks in practice in your head) for a half-dead "seller" is much easier than for a strong and arrogant one who will also raise your price for nothing
          So why would they want to maintain a stable economy that results in unprofitable resource buying?
          1. +1
            14 March 2023 22: 02
            There is logic, the "IMF" needs stability, a stable exchange of resources for candy wrappers ... Here, specifically, the United States did not receive anything special from the chaos in Libya and Iraq, but they trained the army, showed everyone who is the boss on the planet. Semi-gangster groups benefit from the illegal sale of oil in Syria or Libya, and for the global system this is a "failure of the template", it still seems to me that it is more profitable for globalists to have predictable and controlled elites in states, rather than constant revolutions and redistribution of power!
            1. 0
              15 March 2023 19: 10
              Quote: Vladimir80
              Here, specifically, the United States did not receive anything special from the chaos in Libya and Iraq
              -You first look at Which states broke the United States, and you will understand that these are oil supplier states.
              Все.
              Without exception.
              And even terrorists are beneficial to them because no one will ever buy expensive oil from them .... Freebie ..
              And the United States rose strongly from Iraq precisely due to free oil
  6. +4
    14 March 2023 07: 44
    Nothing depends on the rich, the poor pull the economy, a weak currency is gut, a strong one is an abomination. Nabiullina is a miracle of the economy, subordination to the IMF is sacred and it doesn’t bite us. And in general, everything goes according to plan (USA). Article of forgiveness to all liberals and the enemies of the people. And we are stupid all the time thinking, why is everything in the country and in power going vile? patriotic cover up under the guise of "your browser or antivirus is to blame." Everything is fine, beautiful marquise.
  7. +11
    14 March 2023 08: 02
    The main thing that the authorities managed to achieve during the year of the SVO in the financial sector was to bring down the wave of capital outflow from the country.
    Authors, excuse me, are you stoned? This year, all records for the export of this very capital have been broken. Article ala Staver, only on the financial side. In fact, the same separation from reality
    Net capital outflow in the current year may be a record for the entire period of observation of this indicator. Back in October, the Central Bank of Russia predicted that by the end of the year the figure would reach $251 billion. So who is withdrawing money from the country?

    This is the highest level since 1994. The previous record was set in 2014. Then the net outflow of capital from Russia reached 152,1 billion dollars. In 2021, it amounted to $74,2 billion.
  8. 0
    14 March 2023 08: 06
    The main thing that the authorities managed to achieve during the year of the SVO in the financial sector was to bring down the wave of capital outflow from the country.
    One of the reasons, the earthquake in Turkey .. Rest, covered himself .. smile
    1. +3
      14 March 2023 08: 35
      Antalya and Alanya were not affected, there is nothing to cover up.
    2. +2
      14 March 2023 08: 58
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      earthquake in TurkeyRest, covered himself..

      Tickets are on sale right now. Kemer, Side, Belek... wherever you want.
  9. +7
    14 March 2023 08: 22
    . including guest workers who allegedly occupy other people's jobs.

    It is a at the construction sites of communism", whether?

    And what about the construction of communism? We have only the construction of capitalism.

    One of the serious reasons for low wages in Russia is precisely the millions of guest workers who take our places. After all, if not for them, then the capitalists were forced to raise wages and automate production processes. With automation and robotization, we have a huge gap compared to other countries (China, for example). Why invest in expensive equipment if manual labor costs a penny?

    . again, it turns out that printing extra rubles is not required, the economy somehow manages without their excess.

    Required. The gigantic budget deficit eloquently indicates that we do not have enough rubles. And there are also classified expenses for the war, for the maintenance of Prigozhin’s entire army, etc.
    Where is Zin's money? The export of the main source of income - the oil and gas sector is declining.
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 10: 38
      Quote: Stas157
      capitalists were forced to raise wages and automate production processes. With automation and robotization, we have a huge gap compared to other countries (China, for example). Why invest in expensive equipment if manual labor costs a penny?

      You piled robots and manual labor into a heap. Robots drastically reduce manual labor, there are no guest workers who want to work at factories in principle. Why would suddenly - in the absence of robots and guest workers at factories - reduce wages?
      And yes, cut down the "millions" a little. After a jump in prices and a drop in demand, a lot of gasters left the country. It became unprofitable for them to work here ...
      1. +3
        14 March 2023 11: 01
        Quote: your1970
        And yes, "millions" cut a little.After a jump in prices and a drop in demand, a lot of gasters left the country. It became unprofitable for them to work here ...

        Did you look at the statistics or are you just very quick-witted?

        As of May 1, 2022, there were 3,35 million labor migrants in Russia, this is a quarter increase compared to May 1, 2021


        Quote: your1970
        You piled robots and manual labor into a heap. Robots drastically reduce manual labor, there are no guest workers who want to work at factories in principle. Why would suddenly - in the absence of robots and guest workers at factories - reduce wages?

        The labor market is unified. If guest workers are pouring in, it means that its capacity is increasing. And those whose places are occupied by migrant workers are forced to go to other places. To the factory, to the unemployed, to the self-employed, etc.

        Manual labor and robots are interrelated concepts. The more of one, the less of the other. And vice versa.
        1. 0
          15 March 2023 19: 06
          Quote: Stas157
          Did you look at the statistics or are you just very quick-witted?
          - I live on the border. Here you can see very well - how many come and how many leave
          Quote: Stas157
          If guest workers are pouring in, it means that its capacity is increasing.
          -that is, if you remove the Gaster wipers from Moscow, will the Muscovites rush into the fray for the sake of the janitor's place ??
          come on...
          Your theory doesn't work.
          For example, we don’t have gasters - but they also pay a penny at enterprises. Despite the fact that there is no one to work ...
          1. 0
            16 March 2023 07: 38
            Quote: your1970
            that is, if you remove the Gaster wipers from Moscow, will the Muscovites rush into the fray for the sake of the janitor's place ??

            How will they be! Raise the salary a little by 100 thousand for example. Line up to heaven.

            Quote: your1970
            For example, we don’t have gasters - but they also pay a penny at enterprises. Despite the fact that there is no one to work ...

            The problem of mono towns after the collapse of the USSR and the closure of many enterprises is that the population was not provided with work.
  10. +2
    14 March 2023 11: 36
    The high exchange rate of the ruble and the high interest rate of the Central Bank are incompatible with the development of the economy. They provide an outflow of resources to the West due to inhibition within the country. It is necessary to reduce the percentage of the Central Bank while blocking the flight of capital.
    Read what I wrote a year ago, when the dollar was at 120. In other articles on my channel, this topic was also discussed more than once.
    https://dzen.ru/media/id/5e05b001fe289100b0f15ec4/valiutnyi-krizis-namerennye-oshibki-6220747e0887b21abe21b739
  11. LCA
    -2
    14 March 2023 13: 12
    or the following article will appear in the Constitution of Russia: The credit and financial system of Russia is based on the principle of increasing the purchasing power of the ruble, provided by:
    1) outstripping growth of the energy potential of Russia in relation to the money supply in circulation,
    2) lending on an interest-free basis, as well as
    3) limiting income and savings in families, the level is obviously sufficient for life, but does not allow to parasitize on someone else's work. And accordingly, all legislation on financial and economic activity will be restructured.
    + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    Either Russia and its state apparatus will have to go through another act of the process of social hygiene, controlled from Above.
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    For a common future to take place, a common concept of the social structure of people's lives is needed, which will allow each of the regional civilizations to free themselves from the tyranny inherent in each of them over man.
  12. +2
    14 March 2023 15: 22
    And what is the idea and we sl article something? Some kind of porridge and a hodgepodge of everything about everything.
  13. +2
    14 March 2023 15: 25
    uh, explain, don't let me die a fool. Where and in what place do we trade raw materials and goods for rubles? Foreigners pay in dollars. It's just some kind of scam.
    1. +2
      15 March 2023 11: 45
      Where and in what place do we trade raw materials and goods for rubles?


      In the fantasies of a king who reads only reports from the folders brought to him.