How much is the war for Russia?

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How much is the war for Russia?

We are all well aware that war is a very expensive pleasure. So expensive that the goals of any war must be achievable, and the expenditure is justified, otherwise, as storylost wars often led to the collapse of states.

The Russian government's recent announcement that the budget deficit was 2,6 trillion rubles ($34 billion) since the start of the year is pretty clear evidence that spending actually exceeds revenue.



It is very difficult to understand what war costs in general. However, we will try, based on open data from the Russian press, as analysts from the other side of the planet do.

Oddly enough, but the Americans quite successfully process everything that is published in our country and draw conclusions based on this. Petr Butovsky and Thomas Nedwick gave a breakdown of how much the war costs in terms of equipment for the Russian Armed Forces.

Naturally, those samples that are most directly involved in the SVO aroused the greatest interest, since some types of aircraft and helicopters were actually shot down or received damage that did not allow further operation, and considerable sums are required to replace them.

It’s not very common for us to talk about prices directly, but it’s not forbidden either. Therefore, you can dig out the prices, and therefore, estimate how expensive it is - air control.

Su-57



It is the newest and most expensive in the Sukhoi Design Bureau aircraft line. Naturally, isn't it? The Su-57 took part in the SVO, at least that’s what the head of the UAC, Yuri Slyusar, said.

It is clear that these were test applications in a situation no longer approximate, but in real combat. aviation the regiments are not yet armed with the Su-57, the aircraft that were used in the NWO were aircraft that are located in the 4th Lipetsk center for combat use and retraining of flight personnel.

It is logical and understandable that the planes on which pilots are taught, and the pilots who are trained to fly and fight on these planes, will not fly into the thick of it. Combat use was from its territory, without endangering aircraft.

The question "how much does the Su-57 cost?" has been discussed many times

The real cost of the first two copies was announced by the Ministry of Defense at 4,7 billion rubles. The figure caused a shock, however, it was really the cost of the first aircraft. Then the price went down, caused by the conclusion of the first contract for 76 aircraft, and in serial production the cost of the aircraft reached 3,19 billion rubles.

It is predicted that if the Su-57 continues to be mass-produced, which is unlikely, given the complete lack of interest in it from potential buyers, then its cost may fall to 2,5-2,6 billion rubles.

But this is like a price “for their own”. If translated into dollars, then the cost of the Su-57 will be about $42 million, which is significantly lower than the export Su-35S (about $83 million) and F-35 ($80-100 million), but this is only for the Russian Ministry of Defense . If the car goes for export, it will be at a completely different price.

However, for their own aircraft is not cheap. It remains only to train pilots and work out combat use, since the more the Su-57 will fly and shoot, the more chances that they will want to buy it.

Su-35С



In 2009, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of 48 fighter jets for a total of 66 billion rubles. According to this contract, the equipment was to be delivered in the period from 2012 to 2015.

In December 2015, a second contract was signed with the manufacturer for the supply of 50 Su-35s over five years (until 2020), and the contract amounted to 100 billion rubles. Thus, the cost of one unit is 2 billion rubles.

Naturally, the cost of the Su-35 for foreign customers is different. In 2018, at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, the details of a contract for the supply of 24 Su-35 aircraft to China were made public. The contract amount is 2,5 billion dollars, and one unit in this way will cost the Chinese side 104 million dollars, or 6,7 billion rubles.

IL-76MD-90A



The main military transport aircraft of the Aerospace Forces. In Soviet times, it was produced in Uzbekistan, at an aircraft factory in Tashkent. Today, Aviastar-SP JSC in Ulyanovsk is engaged in production. It should be noted that this is not a resumption of production, but the start of production for the upgraded aircraft from scratch at a new location. The old equipment of the Il-76 remained in Tashkent.

The Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the production of Il-76MD-90A worth 3,570 billion rubles each, which they say turned out to be lower than the manufacturer's own costs.

On October 4, 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defense ordered 39 Il-76MD-90A aircraft with deliveries between 2014 and 2020. The cost of the contract amounted to an average of 139,4 billion rubles, or 3,570 billion rubles apiece. The price was indexed, and the price of the final aircraft, which will be delivered in 2020, amounted to 3,710 billion rubles.

The prices became known after the publication of materials from lawsuits from the Ministry of Defense against Aviastar OJSC, after the manufacturer did not meet the deadlines specified in the contracts.

In April 2017, the Russian Ministry of Defense acknowledged that the main reason for the delay was a large number of failures of the aircraft's new equipment, a significant number of changes to its documentation made by the Ilyushin design bureau during the production process, as well as additional requirements for aircraft systems that were introduced by the Ministry of Defense.

The management of Aviastar-SP complained about a significant increase in prices of sub-suppliers. According to Russian media, the plant was losing a billion rubles on the production of each aircraft, and therefore demanded a revision of the contract. In May 2019, the Ministry of Defense agreed to change the terms of the contract. However, the new conditions, including the price, are unknown.

Ka-52



The Ka-52 is currently the main Russian combat helicopter and is very actively used in Ukraine. Foreign sources give a figure of three dozen lost helicopters as of January 2023, or a quarter of the fleet of 140-145 Ka-52s that the Russian army had at the time of the start of the NMD.

The price of one Ka-52 helicopter can be found in the financial report of its manufacturer, the Progress plant in Arseniev, for 2021.

According to this document, the plant delivered 2021 helicopters to the Russian Ministry of Defense in 12 and received 11,497 billion rubles, or 958 million rubles for each helicopter.

However, American experts believe that the cost of production of one helicopter was higher and amounted to 1 million rubles. This means that the production of each Ka-177 brings a loss of 52 million rubles.
The figures are not indisputable and their confirmation is indirect. But Russian industry has long complained about the Defense Ministry's policy of forcing manufacturers to cut prices. Businesses agree to this because, more often than not, the Department of Defense contract is their only source of income. This is normal for enterprises in the military-industrial complex.

At the same time, the ministry operates the principle of setting prices in long-term contracts, which do not take into account real inflation, which ranges from 5 to 12 percent. This means that many factories are actually selling their products below their actual cost. The government later tries to make up for these losses as it cannot let the defense company go bankrupt. For example, the state can pay off debts that an enterprise owes to state-owned banks. For the Russian industry, this is not very useful, but that's the way it is.

The above price figures are close to another value obtained from data published in April 2019 regarding the tender for insurance of the transportation of a batch of export Ka-52E helicopters delivered to Egypt.

The cost of one helicopter declared in insurance was estimated at 1 million rubles, which at the then exchange rate was $102 million. Of course, Egypt, which ordered 17 Ka-2015E helicopters in 46, paid much more for them. The insurance value probably corresponds to the amount received by the manufacturer (the rest of the money is taken by the intermediary, that is, Rosoboronexport).

If the loss figures are true, then for the Russian budget it will cost more than 30 billion rubles just to compensate for the lost cars. If the figures are not correct, then the "remainder" of the amount will easily go to the overhaul of machines that are operated in combat conditions.

Rocket R-77-1



The R-77-1, known in NATO as the AA-12B "Adder", is the main medium-range (up to 110 km) air-to-air missile used by the Russian Aerospace Forces.

The price of the missile can be found in a court case filed in 2019 by the Russian Ministry of Defense against the manufacturer, Vympel GMKB named after Toropov. The ministry demanded compensation for the delay in the delivery of a batch of 10 R-77-1 missiles in November 2018 with a total cost of 299 million rubles, which means that one missile cost 29,9 million rubles at 2018 prices.

This case also makes it possible to estimate the volume of production of R-77-1 missiles. It was reported that the cost of the entire five-year state defense order for 2018-2022 amounted to 64,88 billion rubles, which, assuming a fixed price, would be enough for 2 missiles, or about 170 per year.

Speaking about the numbers, we can conclude that we are in order in terms of R-77 aviation missiles. Air-to-air missiles are not expended in the same numbers as surface-to-surface missiles.

Anti-tank missile LMUR



The light multi-purpose guided missile LMUR (or Izdeliye 305) is the newest and most advanced Russian anti-tank missile. weapons. The missile has been in serial production for about five years, tests have been going on since 2016, and the Izdeliye 305 was put into service in 2022. Currently, the missile is used on the Mi-8MNP-2, Mi-28NM and Ka-52M helicopters.

LMUR is heavier than other Russian helicopter ATGMs, its weight is 105 kg (for comparison: 9M120-1 "Ataka-1" together with the launch tube weighs 48,5 kg, and 9M127-1 "Whirlwind-1" - 59 kg together with the launch tube ). Its warhead is also about three times larger: 25 kg compared to 7,4 kg for the Ataka-1 and 8,6 kg for the Whirlwind-1, which indicates significantly greater armor penetration.

The maximum flight range of the LMUR is 14,5 km, which is higher than that of other Russian helicopter ATGMs.

You can learn about the price of LMUR from a lawsuit initiated by the Russian Ministry of Defense against the manufacturer, the Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering in Kolomna near Moscow. This is due to the claimed compensation for the delay in the delivery of a batch of 30 LMUR missiles in 2018. According to these documents, one LMUR missile cost 14,2 million rubles.

The volume of production can be estimated from the same document. The cost of the entire three-year contract (2018-2020) amounted to 1,807 billion rubles, which is enough for 127 missiles, assuming a fixed price. The 2018 batch was 30 missiles, which implies the production of about 50 missiles annually in subsequent years.

Not much, but the weapon is only accepted for service. There is information about the successful combat use during the NWO.

T-90 Tank



Possibly one of the most popular tanks in the world. The fact that the T-90 is a very impressive combat vehicle is said even by the Ukrainians, who had captured T-90M and T-90MS at their disposal.

The cost of one tank is 187,5 million rubles. Considering the volumes of losses of Russian tanks declared by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (often not confirmed by anything), decent amounts may indeed be required to compensate for losses.

Tu-160



The most expensive Russian aircraft is the Tu-160 strategic bomber. On January 25, 2018, in Kazan, in the presence of President Vladimir Putin, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed an agreement on the supply of 10 new Tu-160M ​​bombers by 2028. After signing the contract, Putin stated that the Ministry of Defense purchased "10 aircraft, each of them 15 billion - even more than 15 billion - 160 billion in total."

Is it a lot or a little?

Naturally, the United States is trying to assess the financial capabilities of Russia to compensate for the loss of equipment in the NWO. No need to explain why.

The ability of the Russian defense industry to respond to economic sanctions that were imposed or otherwise tightened after the invasion of Ukraine is the main concern of American analysts. In other words - is there anything to fence a garden for? What is the point of sanctions if they do not work properly, slowing down the Russian economy in general and the military-industrial complex in particular?

Back in April last year, a senior US Department of Defense official confirmed to The War Zone that Russia's ability to resupply its forces has been severely affected by sanctions imposed by the US and its allies. In particular, the official noted that the ability to produce high-tech components, including for precision-guided munitions, has suffered.

True, with examples it was not very good. The only thing that was cited as an example by a representative of the American ministry was problems with the Russian AWACS A-100 Premier aircraft. It is difficult to comment on this statement, since work on the A-100 is underway. It is possible that there are certain difficulties there, the test program was shifted from 2017 (when the A-100 made its first flight) right up to 2024, but the construction of the second copy is underway, which should join the tests.

The same senior US Department of Defense official did not elaborate on which systems are affected by the sanctions, how supply chains are affected. However, the sanctions exacerbate previous problems with the Russian supply chain, they said.

The shortage of key components is likely to increase the cost of Russian military aircraft and missiles, as well as lead to further delays in the release date. This may not have the best effect on the conduct of a conflict with an indefinite period of continuation.

In general, no matter how events develop in Ukraine, more precisely, no matter how fast the parties destroy each other’s military equipment, the isolated position in which Russia finds itself means that it will have to rely primarily on its domestic production capacities for the timely replenishment of weapons stocks. .

And this is the option when money decides, if not everything, then a lot, including the supply of blocked materials through “gray imports”.

War has always required a huge amount of resources, including financial ones. The fact that we are being watched very closely in this area is clear and understandable. The only question is how really the industrial and financial sectors of Russia will be combat-ready in a conflict for which it is really difficult to determine the timing and boundaries.
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  1. +37
    10 March 2023 05: 12
    But Russian industry has long complained about the Defense Ministry's policy of forcing manufacturers to cut prices.
    During the Great Patriotic War, the cost of the T-34 decreased by 1,5 times, despite military inflation and a sharp (T-34-85) complication of the design ...
    Maybe it's in the state system?
    1. +61
      10 March 2023 05: 32
      There are too many layers and effective managers who want to warm up / warm up their vile little hands on our tax money in the form of state defense orders. And what is even sadder for those who really forge the sword and shield of the motherland at the machines, miserable crumbs reach, the work of working machine builders is still not held in high esteem. And under Stalin, a working Stakhanovite could receive more than a union minister
      1. +10
        10 March 2023 05: 55
        How much is the war for Russia?
        It is clear that it is very expensive ... You can go broke on shells and cartridges alone. Apart from other expenses.
        1. -31
          10 March 2023 07: 15
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          On some shells and cartridges you can go broke.

          Shaw, Katz (Roman) offers to surrender? Fuck you, Russians don't give up!



          ps
          An article about rubles, but they put euros in the store (the very first photo).
          Freud error? laughing
          1. +22
            10 March 2023 08: 39
            An article about rubles, but they put euros in the store (the very first photo).
            I didn’t hold such money in my hands, but in the photo it’s definitely dollars, not euros. Ask Freud... No.
            1. -27
              10 March 2023 09: 05
              Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
              The photo is in dollars, not euros.

              I'm not very good at shit. laughing
          2. +27
            10 March 2023 09: 57
            Quote: Boris55
            Shaw, Katz (Roman) offers to surrender? Fuck you, Russians don't give up!

            Firstly, Boris, not only Russians fought in that war. Soviet people fought, of different nationalities. Secondly, it is simply stupid to compare the Second World War and this NWO, for obvious reasons. That was the people's liberation war, and this is the NWO, you can’t even call it a war. Here is an explanation of Gen. prosecutor's office https://rtvi.com/news/genprokuratura-obyasnila-zapret-na-slovo-vojna-otnositelno-voennoj-operaczii-na-ukraine/ . And I don’t remember something that Stalin would sell oil to Hitler during the war, that he would fill tanks or sell metal, that he would make weapons. And the "grain deal" is generally beyond the bounds, some kind of shame. You can imagine Stalin's speech, where he says, "We were attacked by Germany, we are defending the independence of our country, but I agreed with Hitler and we will continue to trade grain with Germany, oil and gas will be pumped through Germany, because German railway bridges and we don't touch the railway station."?
            1. -34
              10 March 2023 10: 24
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              not only Russians fought in that war. Soviet people fought

              Russian is an adjective. Russian Muslim, Russian Buddhist. Russian Tatar, Russian Tajik.

              The Russian is responsible for the Russian, multinational, multi-confessional civilization.

              Nations, organized into diasporas, teips, and other associations, pursue only their narrow clan interests, which fits into the concept of the West - divide and rule.

              Russian civilization - as an example to follow for the whole world.

              There are a little more than 200 nation-states in the world. In Russia there are a little less than 200 nationalities living with respect for each other. Anyone living in Russian civilization can take any high post, up to the highest. In our history there was a German Ekaterina, a Georgian Stalin, a Ukrainian Brezhnev, etc.

              This is why the West has hated us since the beginning of time...


              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              That was the people's liberation war, and this is the NWO, you can’t even call it a war.

              That is why it is called SVO. We liberate our people and our territory (temporarily occupied by the West), just like the Second World War, with the only difference that they are fighting with us with our own hands, with our fellow believers, drugged by enemy propaganda.

              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              I don’t remember something that Stalin would sell oil to Hitler during the war

              In the Second World War, about 10% of our territory was occupied. In the 90s - all 100%. The United States has placed its proteges in all leadership positions. They still put spokes in our wheels. That is why the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 3, 2023 N 139 appeared (see post below).

              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              therefore we do not touch the German railway, bridges and railway stations

              To destroy bridges across the Dnieper - this fits perfectly into the wishes of the West, to stop us on the Dnieper, conclude a peace treaty and give them a break. They vitally need 2-3 years to transfer their economy to a military footing. We need bridges ourselves, but yesterday's attacks on their infrastructure in the depths of Ukraine are right.
              1. +26
                10 March 2023 11: 12
                Quote: Boris55
                Anyone living in Russian civilization can occupy an arbitrarily high post, up to the highest. In our history there was a German Ekaterina, a Georgian Stalin, a Ukrainian Brezhnev, etc.

                If he is a member of the United Russia party, the founder and head of which is VVP.
                Do you know why there is no real constructive opposition in Russia? Yes, only because any deviation from Edra programs from the instructions of the head of the Edra is perceived as an attempt at a coup d'état.
                Even today, the country (the country's leadership) has not determined its future, the goal for which you WOULD LIKE TO LIVE, WORK, HAVE CHILDREN...
                Tell me that I'm wrong ... Tell me that all the elections we have (I DON'T FEEL WHAT THE REAR DRIVE IS THERE, BECAUSE I LIVE IN RUSSIA AND WILL NOT LEAVE ANYWHERE HERE) in accordance with the law under the complete control of observers and I admit that today at the helm is the power of the majority. How they voted and how they counted - two big differences ... I don’t want to talk about changing the timing and frequency of re-election.
                In all regions (except Moscow and S-P) there is a decrease in the population visible to the eye and statistics.
                Quote: Boris55
                That is why the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 3, 2023 N 139 appeared (see post below).

                And few Decrees were signed by the president BEFORE? What did it change dramatically?
                * * *
                It has become fashionable in our country to legislate as the need arises, rather than the existence of problems. Who these laws work for and what they should lead to is unknown.
                * * *
                In Moscow, in front of everyone, the Chekalins are fattening, who are fooling the country by legalizing shadow incomes (there is no other purpose, because the hard worker will not incur the money earned, hell knows who) and laws against the existence of such parasites have not been invented in Russia ... There are no decrees either signed...
                1. +3
                  14 March 2023 15: 56
                  Even today, the country (the country's leadership) has not determined its future, the goal for which you WOULD LIKE TO LIVE, WORK, HAVE CHILDREN...
                  Tell me I'm wrong...

                  Very true. The demographic consequences of 30 years of this power are comparable in their destructive power to the Nazi invasion.
              2. +13
                10 March 2023 14: 54
                Russian is an adjective.
                American - translated. as an American and an American, why is Russia obsessed with this alleged adjective? We have not decided what is right in Ukraine or in Ukraine. In the Kuban, but in Siberia.
                As for the Western Wishlist. and what are the wishes of the Kremlin?
              3. +7
                10 March 2023 22: 51
                Quote: Boris55
                To destroy bridges across the Dnieper - this fits perfectly into the wishes of the West, to stop us on the Dnieper

                You need to have a snack, or listen less to Solovyov (or whoever is working out the rations there now, I haven’t watched federal TV for a long time). Until now, no one has prevented the Khokhol from blowing up bridges during the retreat - and these will blow up, you'll see. And therefore - there is no military sense to keep them safe now. But, perhaps, there is an economic sense, as you were written about above.
              4. +6
                11 March 2023 02: 43
                Russian is an adjective

                German:
                Deutsche is both an adjective and a noun.
                Russe - Russian as a nationality/n.
                English - adjective
                In French:
                Français is both an adjective and a noun.
                Russe - Russian as a nationality/n.
                Russie is an adjective.
                It turns out that many languages ​​have their own nationality and an adjective and a noun, and not only in Russian.
                Excuse me for breaking off the argument about the exclusivity of people of your nationality.
              5. +2
                14 March 2023 15: 53
                To destroy bridges across the Dnieper - this fits perfectly into the wishes of the West, to stop us on the Dnieper, conclude a peace treaty and give them a break.

                Dear man, in order for "the West to be able to stop us on the Dnieper", "we" will first need to reach the Dnieper. If we take for weeks huge settlements like Opytny, Kleshcheevka, Yagodnoye, Ugledar, as well as megacities like Bakhmut for months, then it will be possible to reach the Dnieper in several generations. So do not spare the bridges across the Dnieper.
              6. 0
                17 March 2023 20: 23
                I hesitate to ask how the Soviet command managed to conduct military operations during the Second World War, while destroying bridges?
              7. -1
                18 March 2023 01: 56
                Quote: Boris55
                In our history there was a German Ekaterina, a Georgian Stalin, a Ukrainian Brezhnev, etc.


                And Khrushchev - Perlmutter;
                Antropov - Lieberman;
                and other hunchbacked-Yeltsman creatures
          3. -15
            10 March 2023 10: 41
            Quote: Boris55
            An article about rubles, but they put euros in the store (the very first photo).
            Let them shove. We will not stand behind the price, the victory will be ours.
            1. +12
              10 March 2023 15: 15
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              Let them shove. We will not stand behind the price, the victory will be ours.

              Are you writing from a trench? How convenient and pleasant to talk about the price of other people's lives from your sofa.
              1. -17
                10 March 2023 18: 54
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Are you writing from a trench? How convenient and pleasant to talk about the price of other people's lives from your sofa.
                Unpleasant, but I write as I think. Do you admit that it is a pleasure for me to read your anti-Russian propaganda nonsense every day? I know that it will be, I read it in order to reveal a conspicuous lie, assess its possible negative impact on the audience, fix it in my text (it is always written as a compensation for those unpleasant sensations that arise during reading, so I enjoy it, but the text is not always pleasant to read), and then I continue in the same spirit, mind you, with a sense of accomplishment. And what are you up to here? Has the promotion of Navalny Laf ended?
                About the trench. I think that here I can bring some benefit, exposing all the lies that I notice, and there can be more trouble with me in the trench. When there is a call to the old farts to defend the Motherland, I will climb into the trench, maybe I will see you where I am. I'm afraid that we have a minimal chance of meeting in the same trench, except in the sight, then do not blame me; once quite well-aimed shots were successful. It’s better not to stick your head out of other people’s trenches, we will communicate less often, both will benefit.
                1. +4
                  10 March 2023 21: 16
                  Oooh, you took on so much in the "private counter-propaganda department", take care of your health, don't overstrain! winked
                2. +6
                  11 March 2023 11: 30
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Do you admit that it is a pleasure for me to read your anti-Russian propaganda nonsense every day?

                  And where did you find anti-Russian propaganda from me, I'm embarrassed to ask? Where is my "blatant lie"?
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  And what are you up to here? Has the promotion of Navalny Laf ended?

                  Navalny is your agenda, you serve the same idols with him.
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  When there is a call to the old farts to defend the Motherland, I will climb into the trench, maybe I will see you where I am.

                  That's when you climb into the trench yourself, then you will judge the price of someone else's life.
          4. -10
            10 March 2023 12: 14
            Shaw, Katz (Roman) offers to surrender?

            Let the Katsy surrender.
            I recommend the article: https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/364901/
            Fragments:
            "But, judging by the mood in the Ukrnet, real despondency reigns on Bankovaya."

            "Zelensky was forced to admit:" A hard night.

            "According to sources familiar with the political behind the scenes of Banderstat, the blow fell on the bunker control and planning centers, as well as on air defense / radar. Insiders reported heavy losses among the officers, including the American one. It seems that the" shadow General Staff "proxy -NATO."

            "On March 9, a large delegation of the General Staff came out to visit the American Embassy in Kyiv. It seems that the transfer of the lists of the Stars and Stripes" XNUMXth "has taken place."
          5. 0
            20 March 2023 02: 40
            The passion of our ruling elite for the bourgeois currency will kill the country.
        2. +4
          10 March 2023 08: 22
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Obviously very expensive.

          The Americans claim that 900 kilodollars a day costs the war for Putin. At least at the beginning of SVO.
          1. -27
            10 March 2023 08: 44
            Quote: vvvjak
            Americans claim that 900 kilobucks a day

            Do you still believe them? They argued that our economy is 2% and torn to shreds. And what?
            We have 20% of the world's natural resources. We receive salaries in rubles, and not in green waste paper, incl. you can safely remove one or two zeros from their calculations.
            1. +14
              10 March 2023 09: 21
              Quote: Boris55
              Do you still believe them?

              And then there is the issue of faith. They count from their "bell tower". For example, the market value of a 152 mm projectile is about $1000. During the day, the Russian army fired 50 pieces, in total, only "art" consumed 000 "lard" bucks.
              1. -23
                10 March 2023 09: 34
                Quote: vvvjak
                the market value of a 152 mm projectile is about $1000. During the day, the Russian army fired 50 pieces,

                The cost of production in Russia is not comparable to the cost of production in them. Ours is much cheaper.
                1. +12
                  10 March 2023 10: 00
                  I cited figures from American sources and an example of where they come from, and I do not at all insist on their reliability. And what about the cost of production? And if the shells are from the times of the USSR, what is their cost or cost? If you have other numbers (in Russian rubles) - please contact the studio.
                2. +17
                  10 March 2023 11: 39
                  Quote: Boris55
                  The cost of production in Russia is not comparable to the cost of production in them. Ours is much cheaper.

                  And our wages are much cheaper.
                3. +12
                  10 March 2023 14: 42
                  Quote: Boris55
                  The cost of production in Russia is not comparable to the cost of production in them. Ours is much cheaper.

                  Boris, google how many defense enterprises have been liquidated / bankrupted over the past 10 years. This information will surprise you. And this is the time of Putin’s rule, you can’t write off sins on Yeltsin and the Pechenegs. wink
                  1. +10
                    10 March 2023 21: 48
                    It's useless, I came to this resource to read something interesting about technology, opinions where everything goes, floats. And instead, a bunch of people with obscurantist rhetoric in the style of Dugin. However, of course there are people who clearly and clearly explain, but here ... This citizen recommended that I familiarize myself with the book, on the cover of which the "Internal Predictor of the USSR" stood as a publisher, while this creation was published in 2022. I decided to look inside and saw how our esteemed GDP is referred to there exclusively with the prefix sovereign. Except as repulsed propaganda or obscurantism, this is not explained for me.
                4. +7
                  10 March 2023 20: 23
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Ours is much cheaper.

                  why do you think so?
                  1. Fuel is the blood of the economy
                  in Russia, only about 1-150 ml of gasoline is squeezed out of 160 liter of oil, and in the USA, about three times more, about 450-480 ml. In Europe it is 300 - 350 ml
                  (technologies in Russia are very, very backward)
                  2. Transport (probably the circulatory system). Russia cannot be put close either in terms of the density of roads (auto, railway), air, sea, or the "shoulder" of transportation. It is enough to look at the kratu
                  3. Eat
                  for 2021: On average in America, the total cost of 1 kg. milk is 35,2 rubles, incl. operating costs RUB 20,91 and other expenses 14,29 rubles.
                  in the USA, milk is more expensive by 4,63 rubles. due to more expensive feed and technical media.
                  But that was in 2021, in 2023 the situation has already changed and not in favor of Russia
                  For fruits / vegetables it will be even worse, for meat the same
                  4. Heating costs
                  in America it is necessary (most of the territory and most of the time) to cool from 35 degrees C to 20 degrees C. Or maybe not refrigerate at all.
                  air conditioner is a heat pump, it costs 1 kW of electricity = 3-5 kW of cold.
                  gradient 10-15 degrees
                  in Russia it is necessary to heat almost the entire territory for almost 9 months (with rare exceptions), or even all 12 months
                  costs: 1 kW el = 0,95 kW of heat
                  and from -10 (sometimes -40) to +20
                  2018: The cost of gas from Yamal LNG for delivery to the European market is $ 6 per million BTU ($ 213 per thousand cubic meters), and for LNG from the USA - $ 6,4 per million BTU. At the same time, when delivering LNG to Asia from Yamal, it is already more expensive than American liquefied gas. $7,7 per million BTU vs. $7,5.
                  depreciation has now grown significantly and the bias has gone not in the direction of Russia.

                  At the same time, Qatari LNG is out of competition, but Australian LNG is more expensive when delivered to both Europe and Asia - $ 10,8 and $ 9,4 per million BTU.
                  Even alternative energy sources are close to Russian non-alternative ones

                  5.Steel and other metals
                  in January-February 2022, increased steel production by 1% to 12.4 million tons compared to a year earlier, maintaining fifth place among steel-producing countries (according to WSA). In the US, over this period, metal production increased by 0.6% to 13.4 million
                  Australia on March 20 announced a ban on the export of alumina and aluminum ores to Russia. According to the plan of the authorities of the country, which provides 20% of alumina supplies to the Russian Federation, this should limit the possibilities of Russian aluminum producers. In addition, RUSAL lost a number of assets in connection with the armed conflict. Thus, due to the inevitable logistical and transport problems in the Black Sea and adjacent territories, the company temporarily stopped production at the Nikolaev Alumina Refinery, located in southern Ukraine. Ukraine is also considering the issue of nationalizing the asset of RUSAL's subsidiary, the Glukhiv quartzite quarry in the Sumy region.
                  6. Salary?..

                  Well, yes. I have never met in the whole history that FBI Colonel Zahartchenko would be detained in the United States, in whose apartment, during a search, funds were found in the amount of 8,5 billion in ruble equivalent
                  1. 0
                    17 March 2023 10: 06
                    As for the depth of oil refining in Russia, it is 3 times lower than in the USA - this is a fake. Over the past 30 years, all major refineries have been modernized, new ones have been built from scratch. By the way, with the involvement of exactly the same technologies as in Western countries. And for a fake put a minus. Minus. The rest of the arguments are also controversial, but about oil - this is ... no words.
                  2. 0
                    17 March 2023 20: 31
                    Until one now banned network was blocked, he looked with interest at the houses for sale in rural areas of the southern states. I was surprised by the size of the buildings and the lack of thermal insulation visible to the eye. In our climatic conditions, the owner would either go broke on heating, or on construction
              2. -13
                10 March 2023 11: 44
                Quote: vvvjak
                total 50 "lard" bucks consumed only "art"
                Finally, let them realize that Russia is a powerful and rich country not only in candy wrappers, which they print by redistributing inflation to those who actively use them. And for them it is almost like a defeat in a religious war: the collapse of idols. And this is happening in front of the whole world online.
                1. +10
                  10 March 2023 14: 43
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Let them finally realize that Russia is a powerful and rich country

                  Due to stocks since the Union.
                  1. -15
                    10 March 2023 19: 52
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Due to stocks since the Union.
                    The Russian Federation also has these reserves, not only hydrocarbons; the main thing is that today they are being actively developed and brought to mind in the right direction for the country: there is nowhere else for our embezzlers to withdraw their wealth and families. And the resale of oil and gas to the enemy can be carried out in any port. So far, we can’t do without greens at all, but dependence on them is even decreasing, and this is their main weapon after lies.
                  2. +1
                    11 March 2023 14: 22
                    The same can be said about the United States. They have accumulated stockpiles of weapons since the days of the Union.
                2. +11
                  10 March 2023 15: 25
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Let them finally realize that Russia is a powerful and rich country not only in candy wrappers,

                  Yeah, that's why Rostec sold Sibselmash, and the equipment from this enterprise that stamped the shells went to scrap metal.
                  1. -15
                    10 March 2023 20: 05
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Rostec sold Sibselmash, and the equipment from this enterprise, which stamped shells, went to scrap metal.
                    Let Sibselmash deal with agricultural machinery and mining equipment, why are you so worried about the shells, there is someone to stamp them. The military-industrial complex is better to take away less in the private sector.
                    1. +9
                      10 March 2023 20: 51
                      Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                      Let Sibselmash deal with agricultural machinery and mining equipment, why are you so worried about the shells, there is someone to stamp them.

                      You are a banal accomplice of traitors in power. The problem is very acute, but you are doing well.
                      https://t.me/grey_zone/17655
                    2. +9
                      10 March 2023 21: 01
                      Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                      Let Sibselmash deal with agricultural machinery and mining equipment, why are you so worried about the shells, there is someone to stamp them.
                      What agricultural technique? There, the hulls are compared to the ground. Counter-propagandist... And Sibselmash was once under Rostec, who took it to the private sector?
                      1. +10
                        10 March 2023 21: 22
                        In my company, a lot of people like to climb all sorts of interesting abandoned places, I was lured about 6 years ago to climb the ZIL, roam, not everything was demolished there at that moment. So, you will not see such an atmospheric post-apocalypse in all games. But for the last couple of years, I’ve been starting to think, and after all, all that was there was a giant industrial complex, for which nothing was done to replace it, they just sell a piece of land for housing with maximum benefit.
                3. +3
                  10 March 2023 19: 45
                  Good morning, we have the same idol with them - capital, we depend on them, they will come back, we will come back, as it was already in 2008.
              3. 0
                11 March 2023 01: 34
                The market price of a 152 mm projectile may be $1000. With my MO, in batches of half a million, then $ 300
          2. -12
            10 March 2023 09: 11
            The article is nothing but another picking your nose and searching for numbers in the sky.
            After reading this creation, a dreamy astrologer is remembered; this is about the author. laughing
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        4. 0
          10 March 2023 16: 42
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          It is clear that it is very expensive ... You can go broke on shells and cartridges alone. Apart from other expenses.

          Therefore, weapons capable of creating a lunar landscape should be withdrawn from service and replaced with precision weapons. It will be cheaper than using wagons . Punish for shooting from automatic weapons at "Syrian". If you don't see the enemy, don't shoot. Prices for military property, products, ammunition, to be fixed at the level before the start of the SVO, for raw materials for their manufacture, too. hi
      2. +29
        10 March 2023 06: 00
        under Stalin, a worker Stakhanovite could receive more than a union minister

        Under Stalin, the worker knew that he was working for the country and for victory. And under Putin, the worker works for the pocket of this minister and everyone who feeds on him.
        1. +26
          10 March 2023 08: 31
          And he also knows about it. Therefore, we work according to the principle "how you pay us, so we work for you." But they don’t want to raise salaries for us, it’s better to bring migrants.
          1. +8
            10 March 2023 18: 45
            And he also knows about it. Therefore, we work according to the principle "how you pay us, so we work for you." But they don’t want to raise salaries for us, it’s better to bring migrants.

            Engineers at defense enterprises are paid from 35.000. Migrants on such a salary will not even agree to wave a shovel.
        2. -17
          10 March 2023 12: 34
          Quote: Dimy4
          under Putin, the worker works for the pocket of this minister and everyone who feeds from him.
          A classic agitation since the article "On the defeat of your government in the imperialist war", at least. It is only necessary to recall that along with the defeat of the tsar and his government, which was actively preparing, a military defeat of the country, fraternization with the German proletarians and a war for many years for a new wonderful world were expected.
          1. +5
            10 March 2023 19: 51
            How about such an agitation?

            Enough fools everywhere
            Imi street bridges.
            Climb into the loop voluntarily:
            The master is again in their honor.
            You are our beautiful barin,
            Dear sir!

            "There were barefoot, we will be barefoot:
            Without boots - do not stomp your feet.
            Here are those, sir, hayfields,
            Here are those, sir, a third of bread!
            Get well soon, sir
            Benefactor dear!"

            "Give me a rubbish on the snout
            Your lackeys for tea
            And the good that was
            Get everything back!
            Get it, my dear master,
            Get well, dear!"

            Brothers! We will triple our strength
            And to the master's lackeys -
            To all Denikin's heroes -
            We'll put it on the necks!
            To the lackeys and good bars
            We'll put it on the necks!
            1. -4
              10 March 2023 20: 18
              Quote: Nikanor1993
              How about such an agitation?
              Somehow sad, stupid, miserable and vulgar, for my taste.
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              2. +4
                11 March 2023 00: 28
                Eh, I don’t like it when a person is sad, I’ll try to amuse you:
        3. -2
          10 March 2023 22: 03
          Quote: Dimy4
          Under Stalin, the worker knew that he was working for the country and for victory.

          Therefore, they were forbidden to leave the enterprises and introduced a criminal offense for absenteeism.
          On the one hand, they worked to win - on the other hand, absenteeism ...
          Somewhat strange opposites, no???
      3. +18
        10 March 2023 06: 22
        The author has not yet indicated whether Russian weapons are completely made of Russian components? Down to the smallest detail?
        1. -12
          10 March 2023 07: 07
          Quote: parusnik
          The author has not yet indicated whether Russian weapons are completely made of Russian components? Down to the smallest detail?

          The author's approach is similar to Ukrainian. Their Trukha is famous for this approach - after each big bang they spread not only the mantra that Russia has fewer missiles, but also the allegedly full price tag of the one who arrived and the number of washing machines disassembled for this.
        2. -5
          10 March 2023 08: 36
          The author has not yet indicated whether Russian weapons are completely made of Russian components? Down to the smallest detail?

          And does it need it? Maybe in order to create effective weapons, it is better to use foreign components that are more advanced than Russian ones, or which have no Russian analogues at all.
          An example is Iranian mopeds.
          All over the world they buy weapons in other countries. We would like to buy spare parts.
          1. +12
            10 March 2023 09: 28
            use foreign components
            The money spent on their components will remain in the country and through taxes (everything that people who receive this money will buy is taxed) will return back. And the cost of imports will go away forever.
            1. +1
              10 March 2023 13: 22
              This is when there is something to buy the same. What to do when not? Wait, when in a few years it is possible to master production? And military equipment is needed now, and not like the 60-70s of the last century. More than half a century has passed since then.
        3. +2
          10 March 2023 09: 00
          Here it’s not even a question of cost. Will China supply or refuse components?
      4. -18
        10 March 2023 07: 23
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        There are too many layers and effective managers who want to warm / warm their vile little hands on our money taxes in the form of state defense orders

        For especially gifted owners, the management of production will be transferred to the state, i.e. nationalization, while at the time of the NWO, and there you look and you will like it:

        Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 3, 2023 N 139
        "On some issues of carrying out the activities of business companies,
        involved in the implementation of the state defense order"

        Link to the text of the Decree: https://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/406379063/

        It would not be bad to introduce an article for sabotage with confiscation, but this is the prerogative of the Duma.
        1. +17
          10 March 2023 08: 01
          For especially gifted owners, the management of production will be transferred to the state, i.e. nationalization, while at the time of the NWO, and there you look and you will like it:

          Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 3, 2023 N 139
          "On some issues of carrying out the activities of business companies,
          involved in the implementation of the state defense order"

          Yeah, now Manturov will send an effective manager-director and a miracle will happen at the enterprise.
          Most likely it will be limited to simply plundering the enterprise.
          As an option, the enterprises will give loyal to the oligarchs, who also suffered from the sanctions. For example, Pumpyansky or Bokarev. But even those ready-made personnel for these enterprises may not.
          1. -23
            10 March 2023 08: 46
            Quote: Oleg Ogorod
            Most likely it will be limited to simply plundering the enterprise.

            Everyone argues according to their prejudice. So it was in perestroika, in the 90s. It won't be like this now, we didn't restore Russia for that.
            1. +19
              10 March 2023 10: 00
              Quote: Boris55
              It won't be like this now, we didn't restore Russia for that.

              Boris, can you clarify from which side you restored it and how successful was your "restoration"?
              1. -13
                10 March 2023 10: 46
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                from which side did you restore it and how successful was your "restoration"?

                We started with the preservation of Russia as a single state (2nd Chechen).
                Filling the budget with money (Yukos).
                Restoring food security (bush legs).
                Restoration of the army, military-industrial complex (Armatians, Sarmatians, etc.).
                Restoration of foreign policy (Syria).
                Restoration of global politics (in progress, in Ukraine).
                1. +17
                  10 March 2023 11: 32
                  Quote: Boris55
                  We started with the preservation of Russia as a single state (2nd Chechen).

                  From which street in Grozny are you writing now?
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Filling the budget with money (Yukos).

                  When withdrawing from the country, according to various estimates, from one and a half to three trillion dollars ...
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Restoring food security (bush legs).

                  The price of 100 g of green onions in the Yarche store is 67,99 rubles ...
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Restoration of the army, military-industrial complex (Armatians, Sarmatians, etc.).

                  Almaty, Sarmatians, Coalitions, etc. - equipment for parades or for use by men with iron testicles. Only Shoigu can talk about the restoration of the army, and we can compare the results ...
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Restoration of foreign policy (Syria).

                  Syria? Is this the country where there are about 12 American military bases and Israeli aircraft fly there to launch missiles without explaining the reasons? Why not Cuba or Venezuela? Why not North Korea? To whom is Libya given?
                  Yes, Russia, if desired, could buy a dozen islands in the Mediterranean Sea and not bathe with an uncontested position and influence on “hell knows who” ... Why exactly “hell knows who”? I don’t see the leadership of European countries who have done their pants with fear at the appearance of the Russian base in Khmeimim ...
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Restoration of global politics (in progress, in Ukraine).

                  To be honest, even the allies do not quite understand the actions when they fight for "..." and supply resources so that they do not swell and freeze from hunger ...
                  * * *
                  Such a global policy has bothered me, when Russia measures its GDP in dollars and trades in resources for which they pay with paper money ...
                  1. -3
                    11 March 2023 11: 32
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    The price of 100 g of green onions in the Yarche store is 67,99 rubles ...

                    In the Chizhik store, they will sell you about a kilogram of onions for this money. Green onions - greenhouse production. In the USSR and Imperial Russia, there were no green onions in winter.
                2. -12
                  10 March 2023 20: 38
                  I would add here the largest infrastructure projects, as well as the gradual exit from dollar dependence and the expansion of the settlement zone in national currencies.
        2. +13
          10 March 2023 09: 01
          A good Decree, I don’t argue. Just remind me what happened to the "May Decrees"?
          1. -17
            10 March 2023 09: 09
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Just remind me what happened to the "May Decrees"?

            Completion ~80-90%. In order to increase this percentage, I propose to introduce an article for sabotage into the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. This is on the one hand, and on the other hand, if you do not set unattainable goals for yourself, then what has been achieved before will be lost.
            1. +17
              10 March 2023 11: 19
              It looks like you are on another planet too... belay
              1. 0
                11 March 2023 19: 03
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                It looks like you are on another planet too... belay
                Yes, he is on a planet called Trolling! lol
            2. +9
              10 March 2023 11: 42
              Quote: Boris55
              Completion ~80-90%.

              In money (when the price of the goods has doubled) or in pieces (accounting units) ...
              Quote: Boris55
              In order to increase this percentage, I propose to introduce an article for sabotage into the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

              It is enough to introduce criminal liability for tax concealment and understand the nuances of Art. 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption and carefully study the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in the part corresponding to it. In addition, it is desirable to decide on compensation for damage (up to complete confiscation and deprivation of property rights) and the amount of remuneration for the direct participants in the detection, for which 50% of hidden capital is divided as participation is between them.
              Quote: Boris55
              on the other hand, if you do not set yourself unattainable goals, then what has been achieved before will be lost.

              On the other hand, set specific deadlines for specific performers, as they did in the USSR, and draw organizational conclusions based on the results and income of the responsible person ...
            3. +11
              10 March 2023 19: 00
              Just remind me what happened to the "May Decrees"?

              Completion ~80-90%

              How exactly is this???
              Instead of 25 million high-tech jobs, 20-22.5 million high-tech jobs have been created??? Seriously???
              Or he indicated to enter the top 5 economies, and last year South Korea surpassed Russia in terms of the size of the economy. About 70 years ago, the economy of the RSFSR was more than 100 times larger than the South Korean one, today the Korean economy is larger than the Russian one. And they do not have oil, gas, gold, vast territory, inexhaustible resources, they work. Presidents who steal there are imprisoned, who do not fulfill their promises, they will not be re-elected there. Here is the result.
    2. +8
      10 March 2023 07: 30
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But Russian industry has long complained about the Defense Ministry's policy of forcing manufacturers to cut prices.
      During the Great Patriotic War, the cost of the T-34 decreased by 1,5 times, despite military inflation and a sharp (T-34-85) complication of the design ...
      Maybe it's in the state system?

      First, the effect of mass production,
      secondly, in peacetime, even in the USSR, workers need to be paid salaries, and in mobilization time they can work de facto for food,
      thirdly, lend-lease - extremely expensive elements, such as chromium, nickel, etc., were supplied to the USSR de facto free of charge, sharply reducing the cost of components,
      fourthly, the effective organization of work, and the war gave rise not only to marshals of victory, but also to managers of victory, leaders of the rear, effective without ironic quotes.
      1. +3
        10 March 2023 07: 42
        but also managers of victory, leaders of the rear, effective without ironic quotes.
        Without pre-war managers, there would be no military. And you get it, the smart learned from the stupid.
        1. -8
          10 March 2023 07: 46
          Quote: parusnik
          the smart learn from the stupid

          A fool learns from his mistakes, a smart man learns from the mistakes of a fool. It's always been that way.
        2. -3
          10 March 2023 15: 03
          Quote: parusnik
          but also managers of victory, leaders of the rear, effective without ironic quotes.
          Without pre-war managers, there would be no military. And you get it, the smart learned from the stupid.

          sadly, pre-war managers were massively repressed and many were shot. one of the reasons for the catastrophic first year of the war was the defeat of the pre-war Communist Party and all the cadres associated with it in the repressions of the 37th. the war from the students of the teachers destroyed by Stalin forged for them a change that surpassed their predecessors. At the same time, I do not detract from the merits of Stalin - he really wanted to win and take Berlin, therefore he allowed the students what he executed the teachers for - he managed to separate the main from the secondary in his priorities.
      2. +7
        10 March 2023 08: 42
        About the "free" Lend-Lease is not necessary.
        These deliveries were all in debt… which, if my memory serves me, have been paid off for more than half a century.
        In the absence of accounting when calculating the cost - I believe it, in disinterested Western "partners" ...
        1. +18
          10 March 2023 09: 09
          Memory is cheating on you ... it was transferred for temporary use with the possibility of redemption (materials and weapons were decommissioned immediately, they had to be paid only for unreturned civilian equipment) ... after a short period of return, the leadership of the USSR decided not to return the remaining good and disown everything with the phrase “we thought so , we don’t owe you anything ”... as a result, the debts were recognized much later than the end of the war, and more than once they were reduced and partially written off by the states until the 90s. The last payment was in 2006...
          Regarding the topic of the article, the author did not take into account interest-free loans and other similar assistance to military-industrial complex plants ... with them, the real price tag for our equipment is not so optimistic (it generally seems to me that it is close to foreign contracts) ....
          1. 0
            11 March 2023 00: 06
            To be fair, the USSR didn't have much of a choice.
            The country was devastated by the war and was unable to pay for the aid received. Couldn't bring it back either. At that time, we had no analogues to American technology and machine tools.
        2. +5
          10 March 2023 20: 34
          Quote: JcVai
          These deliveries were all in debt… which, if my memory serves me, have been paid off for more than half a century.

          belay
          The US was trying to get an amount equal to $2,7 billion. Soviet-American negotiations in 1948-1949 were fruitless, since the USSR was categorically opposed to this amount. In 1951, the US government twice reduced the debt to $800 million. As a result, another agreement on the payment of debts for Lend-Lease deliveries was signed in 1972. The USSR pledged to pay $722 million, including interest, by 2001. In 1973, a payment of 48 million dollars was made, and then debt payments were suspended after the United States began to apply discriminatory trade measures against the USSR (the Jackson-Vanik amendment).
          On August 21, 2006, the Russian Federation finally paid off the debt of 674 million dollars (although it could have done in 2030)
          2006-1945=61 years
          The dollar of 1945 and the dollar of 2006 is better not to compare, so as not to laugh
          The cargo suppliers in the USSR (in monetary terms) were: the USA - delivered for $11,3 billion (85,7%), Great Britain - for $1,7 billion (12,8%) and Canada - for $200 million (1,5 ,XNUMX %)
          1. +4
            11 March 2023 00: 33
            You are not quite right. The United States did not try to get 2,7 billion. The amount of payment for the equipment left in the USSR, calculated by the Americans, taking into account wear and tear, was 2,6 billion, but the Americans immediately cut it by half - to 1,3 billion - this amount and posted for payment.
            In the United States, it was initially calculated that the amount payable for the surviving civilian machinery and equipment, taking into account their wear and tear, is $ 2,6 billion, for negotiations this amount was halved, to $ 1,3 billion.[52][ 53][54] At the 1948 negotiations, the Soviet representatives agreed to pay only $170 million and met with a predictable refusal from the American side. Negotiations in 1949 also came to nothing (the Soviet side increased the proposed amount to $200 million with a 50-year installment plan, while the American side reduced it to $1 billion with a 30-year installment plan). In 1951, the Americans twice reduced the amount of the payment, which began to equal $800 million, but the Soviet side agreed to pay only $300 million.
          2. 0
            17 March 2023 20: 45
            In the 45th dollar is the cost of 0,9 g of gold.
        3. +1
          11 March 2023 09: 28
          About the "free" Lend-Lease is not necessary.
          These deliveries were all in debt… which, if my memory serves me, have been paid off for more than half a century.
          Lend-lease was not absolutely free, but a significant part went without compensation, and materials for the production of their weapons just fell into the free list, which, as already noted, reduced its cost.
          And at the expense of "more than half a century", it's not because of the amount. Neither in the USSR, nor later in Russia, were they in a hurry to transfer money, taking advantage of the fact that interest was not charged, and payment obligations were extended until 2035. They wouldn’t have paid for another quarter of a century, but in 2006 the government decided: “Let’s pour money from oil not into our economy, but into the American one”
      3. +13
        10 March 2023 11: 44
        Quote: Alexander Emrys
        First, the effect of mass production,

        In order to have mass production in the country, it is necessary to have qualified engineering personnel and a mass school for teaching working specialties.
        In addition, production capacity and cheap electricity.
        It's time to destroy the system of intermediaries built by Chubais. There is no Chubais, and the system plows into the pocket of parasites ...
        1. -4
          10 March 2023 23: 06
          Quote: ROSS 42
          mass school for training in working specialties.

          Are there those who want to work like in a war, for a work card?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          To have mass production in the country, you need to have qualified engineering personnel

          There were articles about armor here - by the end of the war with that very mother, the percentage was reduced marriage when releasing armor up to ... 52% !!!
          Sheet of normal armor - sheet of marriage ...
          If this is "qualified engineering personnel" - then no, we don't need such goodness for nothing ....
          And for some reason I have a feeling that they also made tanks out of marriage ....
    3. +6
      10 March 2023 07: 51
      Mass production does wonders for prices. The larger the output, the lower the costs. And the release of the T-34 has been increased not at times since the beginning of the war, but by orders of magnitude.
      Yes, and understand that then everything was state-owned. And they didn't pay right now.
      By the way, the increased overtime pay at the military-industrial complex enterprises is also a considerable cost for the military-industrial complex.
      1. +5
        10 March 2023 08: 44
        How much is the war for Russia? - so what is the final estimated cost of the CBO on average per month?

        —-FOR THE BEGINNING - NOT ABOUT THE COST, BUT ABOUT THE COSTS WE TALK ... THE COST OF RUSSIA ONLY KNOW THE LORD ...
        ————————————————————
        ANSWER: Army and Aerospace Forces spending per month 3.55+.64=$4.19 billion/month, or $50.28 billion/year, or ~3.8 trillion rubles/year
        —————————————————————
        —-As a starting point, I will take my assessment of 10 days ago: the NVO spends about - not less than $ 2-3 billion / month on personnel, and about - not less than $ 1 billion / month on weapons and military equipment. Or at least $3 billion/month, $36 billion/year.

        —-Which is comparable to Western military assistance to Ukraine in the year 2022.

        —-1$=75 rubles. All results are in billions of dollars. All in units/month, or by specification/day.

        —- Please forgive me for probable errors, I quote the line-by-line estimated costs. The expenses of the personnel of the Aerospace Forces are not taken into account, but they are unlikely to significantly affect the outcome.
        ---Army and object air defense is listed as part of the Army, not the Aerospace Forces
        --------------------
        ANSWER: Army and Aerospace Forces spending per month 3.55+.64=$4.19 billion/month, or $50.28 billion/year, or ~3.8 trillion rubles/year
        ————————————————————
        ARMY:
        --- personnel salary of 300,000: .8
        —-indirect costs for payments to personnel (preparation of replenishment, transportation, insurance, medical in field hospitals, funeral ..): .8
        - logistic expenses (food, rest, uniforms, treatment of the wounded, hospital, business trips ..): .4
        - personal weapons and ammunition, communications (cartridges, grenades, radio ..): .4
        TOTAL PERSONNEL: 2.4

        - loss of mobile armored personnel (tanks, self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles) - 500 units: .5
        - - loss of wheeled vehicles - 500 units: .1
        —- loss of MLRS, army and object air defense, cannon artillery - 300 units: .15
        —-ammunition for land vehicles (10,000 rounds/day, incl. armored vehicles): .1
        —-ATGM: 1500 units: .01
        —-repair of VT: .1
        TOTAL VVT ARMY: 1.05
        ----------
        TOTAL ARMY: 3.55
        ----------
        Videoconferencing:
        —-aircraft losses, 10 units: .3
        -- loss of helicopters, 20 units: .2
        —- ammunition (NUR, shells, bombs, 40 airborne flights / day: .06
        —-KR, missiles of S-class air defense systems, DAGGER, 100 units: .05
        - - other weapons (Geraniums, other UAVs, Lancets, Cubas, military air defense missiles ..), 15,000: .03
        --------------
        TOTAL VVT VKS: .64
        --------------
        TOTAL, expenses of the Army and Aerospace Forces per month
        3.55+.64=$4.19 billion/month, or $50.28 billion/year, or ~3.8 trillion rubles/year
        1. +6
          10 March 2023 10: 05
          I especially liked about the losses.))) How much did the cruiser "Moscow" cost? And so on and so forth. Didn't Konashenkov learn to count losses from you?
          1. +8
            10 March 2023 12: 08
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            I especially liked about the losses.))) How much did the cruiser "Moscow" cost? And so on and so forth. Didn't Konashenkov learn to count losses from you?

            I liked your comparison.
            Today, from all the information slots, they offer to ASK the rich, who got the money for free, to “throw in” for the war VOLUNTARY ...


            Look! Last year alone, $243 left the country. Based on a (hypothetical) tax on the export of capital in the amount of only 000% (and not 000, as elsewhere), the country could receive without solicitation and LEGALLY:
            70 x 243 x 000 = 000 rubles...
            We just need to pass a law in the State Duma.
            And if you make the personal income tax scale really progressive (from (0%) 10% to 45%, as in China), then the country's budget would easily receive from 2 to 4 trillion rubles annually ...
            We just need to pass a law in the State Duma.
            If we exclude offshore zones, then the “profit” could amount to several trillion rubles more ...
            We just need to pass a law in the State Duma.
            And if all legal entities are tied to one bank, then ... Instead of 300 "common funds" ("manual banks"), there will be a dozen and a half, which even Nabiullina will be able to follow without straining ...
            We just need to pass a law in the State Duma.
            hi
            1. +8
              10 March 2023 12: 28
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Today, from all the information slots, they offer to ASK the rich, who got the money for free, to “throw in” for the war VOLUNTARY ...

              That has already been asked.
              Business considers the idea of ​​a voluntary contribution to the budget proposed by the government to be unrealistic, Alexander Shokhin, head of the RSPP, told RBC.

              Read more at RBC:
              https://www.rbc.ru/economics/08/02/2023/63e39cae9a7947af3e150c12
            2. +10
              10 March 2023 13: 01
              Quote: ROSS 42
              We just need to pass a law in the State Duma.

              In the State Duma, laws are adopted that are beneficial to the true owners of the country, all these Deripaskas, Rotenbergs and other Abramovichs. And in order to revive the country, a change in the socio-economic formation is necessary.
        2. +5
          10 March 2023 11: 43
          https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2023/03/09/v-ssha-podschitali-stoimost-ukrainskih-mestorozhdeniy-pod-kontrolem-rossii
          Based on the data in the link, make a recalculation
      2. -2
        11 March 2023 00: 50
        Mass production does wonders for prices.

        Miracles with prices are created by non-market pricing. What price was considered necessary, such was appointed. In the USSR, there were other, commercial prices at that time (for example, the official price of a liter of milk was 2 rubles, and the price on the market was 50 rubles). Only no one recalculated the price of tanks or aircraft in these prices.
        That's why it turned out that the plane seemed to cost 100 thousand rubles, and a kilogram of honey on the collective farm market, a thousand.
    4. -5
      10 March 2023 08: 42
      Watch any Soviet film about the war, ask your grandparents how they lived during the war. And they lived from hand to mouth, walked in rags, both women and children worked almost around the clock, grain was bought for gold from the bourgeoisie. And compare how we are fighting now, the shops are full of food, the working day is 8 hours, clothes are full of different price categories, social programs work, people go on vacation abroad, we sell so much grain that we sell half of the world, and this despite the fact that now more countries are fighting against us than in WWII, then America and England were allies, Land Lease went to the USSR, and now they are against us, they imposed sanctions on us, but Russia feels much better than the USSR during the Second World War. And the fact that tanks in the USSR fell in price, so ore, gold, timber and other resources were mined by prisoners, among whom there were many political prisoners and mined almost for free (slave labor) - grandfather Stalin could afford to burn almost 30 million fellow citizens in the crucible of war, now we ourselves we can’t allow this, it’s better to burn money than people. It really is about government.
      1. +8
        10 March 2023 09: 56
        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        despite the fact that more countries are fighting against us now than in the Second World War,

        True, what? And how many divisions were put up by all these countries, of which there are more against us than they are fighting in the Second World War?
      2. +9
        10 March 2023 10: 08
        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        ... working day 8 hours ...

        What a blissful picture do you get, do you live in the Russian Federation at all?
        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        And the fact that tanks in the USSR fell in price, so ore, gold, timber and other resources were mined by prisoners, among whom there were many political prisoners and mined almost for free (slave labor) - grandfather Stalin could afford to burn almost 30 million fellow citizens in the crucible of war,

        Have you read Solzhenitsin?
      3. Alf
        +7
        10 March 2023 19: 27
        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        stores are full of groceries

        Soviet GOST?
        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        working day 8 hours

        You won't get much if you work 8 hours.
        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        people go on holiday abroad


        Quote: Yuri Nemov
        so much grain that we sell half of the world

        And inside the country it is allowed to use grain of 4 and 5 categories for making bread, that is, herbs ...
      4. +4
        10 March 2023 20: 05
        Let's start with the fact that the Nazis, unlike the capitalists who howl purely for money, still had an extremely cannibalistic ideology with the eradication of everything human from people in general, so there is no need to compare a drug addict clown and an underestimated Austrian artist. And then, Comrade Stalin did not even allow himself to burn German prisoners of war, they were re-educated as builders of communism in the GDR. Now we cannot allow something like this because the authorities are not able to clearly explain what it is necessary to fight for at all (apparently, our capitalist, and not the Ukrainian one, would be sitting where necessary, especially, God forbid, the Western one). It can be added that during the Second World War, the production of actual equipment and equipment for the Red Army increased, and there was no parasitism on what the tsar father left 60 years ago (although yes, he left nothing).
    5. +16
      10 March 2023 10: 01
      Maybe it's in the state system?
      We need to build more yachts and raise the retirement age to 105 years.
    6. +3
      10 March 2023 10: 51
      Maybe it's in the state system?

      Or maybe because production was transferred from Ukraine to the Russian Urals, where prices were always lower ...
      1. +4
        10 March 2023 12: 35
        Quote: assault
        Or maybe because production was transferred from Ukraine to the Russian Urals, where prices were always lower ...

        But heating costs are higher. Can you provide prices?
        1. -3
          11 March 2023 14: 32
          But heating costs are higher. Can you provide prices?

          Now I can’t, I read the memoirs of KhTZ workers evacuated to Nizhny Tagil. They were very unpleasantly surprised by the significantly lower prices for the same types of work that they performed at KhTZ ...
    7. +14
      10 March 2023 12: 11
      You can't dump everything on the line. In the United States during WWII there was capitalism, but the industry worked very efficiently. In Germany, by the way, too. Here, rather, the matter is in our system itself, personally created, "zeroed", with comrades. Motivation: "steal everything that is bad" during the war leads to defeat.
    8. +3
      10 March 2023 19: 57
      During the war, the cost of all decreased - and the Germans with the Japanese, and the Americans with the British. The most incredible example, of course, is the American radio fuses, which dropped from $500 to $15 (or $10? I'm writing from memory). But it is better to measure this improvement in man-hours or machine-hours. Because the prices in money for that period, even for America, must be approached with caution, for Germany even more, and in the USSR it turned out that the tank cost like a good pig (which is very unlikely).
    9. -1
      11 March 2023 08: 53
      They simply began to give workers 300 grams of bread each - so calculate for yourself - the cost of materials plus a dozen or two bread loaves - per tank!
  2. +18
    10 March 2023 05: 56
    The war will cost much less if you introduce the death penalty for treason, as Old Man Rygorych did yesterday.
    And then we have four or five secret carriers of deputy prime ministers screwed over the hill, and nothing.

    Evona and the oligarchs spoil, especially Friedman and Aven, they calmly sell shares in Alpha (they draw up for a drop), and are clean before the West. And they don't care about Russia, they have Israeli citizenship. They can now, together with the Zionists, buy weapons for the Ukrainian Nazis.
    1. +9
      10 March 2023 06: 46
      And with the introduction of the death penalty, a dozen more will screw over the hill))
      1. +16
        10 March 2023 06: 51
        And with the introduction of the death penalty, a dozen more will screw over the hill))
        Everyone will leave. Steal, you can’t quit laughing
        1. +17
          10 March 2023 08: 35
          Steal, can't quit
          Yes, they put a comma for themselves in this place a long time ago ..
    2. +11
      10 March 2023 07: 33
      There is an analytical posh post of Americans where a complete alignment is given about the owners of alpha groups, among other things, their involvement in drug trafficking is indicated, which poses a threat to the national interests of the United States.
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    4. -1
      10 March 2023 23: 21
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      The war will cost much less if you introduce the death penalty for treason, as Old Man Rygorych did yesterday.

      The problem is that the first to fall under such an article is Vanya, an ordinary infantry who was captured with a weapon. And the second is the T-90 crew who abandoned their tank during the retreat ...
      Not Chubaisov ....
      And this is reality...
    5. -1
      11 March 2023 08: 56
      In your opinion, if a tank costs 200000000 rubles, if the death penalty is allowed, will it already cost 20000000 rubles?
  3. +12
    10 March 2023 06: 09
    How much is the war for Russia?

    No matter how much it costs, the equipment and weapons MUST be better than those of the enemy.
    For Russia today, a victory is important, in which the price of the lives of our guys (and girls, too, and even children) cannot be compared with material costs.
    I would like to smash this mug of Uncle Sam, who is always poking around in other than his own business, so that he once and for all hides in the Western Hemisphere, and these, who have spoiled everything and all royal subjects, huddled in the farthest corner on their islands.
    1. +11
      10 March 2023 08: 47
      It's not real. Beyond the puddle, Uncle Sam is out of reach and crap with other people's hands. Is it possible to swing a flower plant inside, Alaverdi.
    2. +5
      10 March 2023 20: 03
      Quote: ROSS 42
      No matter how much it costs, the equipment and weapons MUST be better than those of the enemy.


      To do this, science and industry MUST be better than the enemy. And not now, but for the last 20 years. Only hitmen can help here.
    3. +1
      11 March 2023 09: 01
      According to your desire, the UAZ must be better than the Hammer, while at the same time it should consist only of Russian technologies and parts !!! Forward with a claim to the manufacturers of our equipment!
  4. +13
    10 March 2023 06: 12
    War is certainly an expensive thing; "... but there are things even more expensive: this is the honor and dignity of the country ..." Lloyd George
    1. Eug
      +11
      10 March 2023 06: 52
      The problem, as for me, is that the concept of the unity of the country and society has disappeared. There are different population groups with quite different interests. Of course, there are also common ones, but there are also many contradictions, and learning how to solve them correctly (so that there are no dissatisfied ones) is the main task of society. As for me, this is fantastic, but without this there will be no healthy society and a prosperous country.
      1. +4
        10 March 2023 07: 18
        Quote: parusnik
        At the end, eyes were opened to the fact that war in modern conditions is an expensive pleasure. Not only for us.

        The most precious thing is the honor of a citizen and loyalty to the Fatherland. All tell me: this is wrong, expensive, and in general everything you do is wrong, I deserve only one "four feathers" award ...
        1. +1
          10 March 2023 21: 37
          Patriotism in its simplest, clearest and undoubted meaning is nothing but a tool for rulers, as an instrument for achieving power-hungry and selfish goals, and for those who are governed - renunciation of human dignity, reason, conscience and slavish submission to those in power. So he is preached everywhere where patriotism is preached.


          L. N. Tolstoy
    2. +10
      10 March 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      War is certainly an expensive thing; "... but there are things even more expensive: this is the honor and dignity of the country ..." Lloyd George

      Let me remind you that as a result of this approach, Britain got into two world wars, lost its empire, went bankrupt, and turned from Great into Small, which could even lose Scotland at any moment.
      1. +3
        10 March 2023 07: 38
        which even Scotland can lose at any moment.
        And with Northern Ireland, it's not so simple.
      2. +4
        10 March 2023 09: 33
        Scotland could be lost at any moment.
        That moment will come when Scotland finds others willing to subsidize their budget with £40bn annually. That is, when the cancer on the mountain will not whistle, but sing "murka" in falsetto laughing .
        1. +3
          10 March 2023 14: 58
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Scotland could be lost at any moment.
          That moment will come when Scotland finds others willing to subsidize their budget with £40bn annually. That is, when the cancer on the mountain will not whistle, but sing "murka" in falsetto laughing .

          The European Union sponsors Eastern Europe, so the Scots, not without reason, believe that they too will not be forgotten.
        2. -1
          10 March 2023 21: 25
          The Scots look at the Irish, who lived in poverty under the British, and now one of the richest states in Europe and the world (and the part of Ireland that remained under the British continues to beg). Well, the Scots have views of offshore oil production. Yes, and for renting a base of nuclear submarines, the British, at least a couple of billion a year, let them take it out and put it in.
          1. +2
            11 March 2023 10: 12
            part of Ireland, left under the British, continues to beg
            I had a chance to visit both there and there - no one is begging, and there is practically no difference in the standard of living - from a nominally super-high GDP, ordinary Irish people do not get much. Subjectively, it is in Scotland that the standard of living is the highest in Britain, which is not surprising, a subsidized region. The British will build their own base - they will not keep nuclear weapons on foreign territory, and the oil was pumped out back in the 90s. Something like this.
      3. -1
        10 March 2023 16: 48
        War was inevitable, it is an axiom, both for Britain and for us now.
    3. +13
      10 March 2023 08: 33
      “To wage war, I need three things: first, money, second, money, and third, money.”
      Napoleon I Bonaparte
      1. +1
        10 March 2023 21: 21
        This quote has been attributed to many people, the most credible being Raimondo Montecucolli. But definitely not Napoleon.
  5. +4
    10 March 2023 06: 19
    At the end, eyes were opened to the fact that war in modern conditions is an expensive pleasure. Not only for us.
  6. +11
    10 March 2023 07: 08
    The flip side of being expensive is huge profits.
    The rich and the wind is always in the back .... But fools will go to Paradise.
    And both are good!
  7. +4
    10 March 2023 07: 13
    How much does a war cost? This is the most stupid question you can ever ask. The war costs the country - if you save, there will be no country with an economical government. The slogan EVERYTHING FOR THE FRONT, EVERYTHING FOR VICTORY did not appear out of nowhere. And if conversations began on the topic "isn't the war very expensive for us?" it means that you must either hang effective managers, or surrender to mercy ...
    1. +11
      10 March 2023 07: 25
      The war costs the country - if you save, there will be no country with an economical government.
      Yeah, the economy should be economical. Before the war, the government squandered money, but will it save during and after? So according to you? Okay, we'll take off our last shirts, or they'll take off our last shirts, they'll impose an air tax, they've been breathing a lot lately, they'll impose a rainfall tax. But will these measures affect, well, for example, Ilya Dmitrievich Medvedev, who has a network of gas stations and stores in the United States and the like?
      1. +16
        10 March 2023 08: 30
        Once, during the Sochi Olympics, which cost tens of billions of rubles, I spoke to my work colleagues that this was an unjustified waste of money. It would be better if they were spent on the development of equipment production, their own aviation and their own transport. Many spoke like: we cannot do without sports, we need to develop it. Some simply did not understand the subject of the dispute. Next, by the way, was the World Cup, which is somehow more acceptable, but also costly. Well, finally, they arrived: there are not enough chips, there are not enough shells, there are almost no UAVs.
        1. +11
          10 March 2023 09: 45
          We cannot do without sport, we need to develop it.
          For the World Cup, a football stadium was built in Saransk. And after its construction, and after the World Cup, football in Mordovia reached cloudless heights. They say that in Mordovia, it is planned to hold an intergalactic football tournament. smile
          1. +3
            10 March 2023 13: 16
            And rename Saransk to New Vasyuki laughing "" ""
      2. +1
        10 March 2023 20: 31
        But will these measures affect, well, for example, Ilya Dmitrievich Medvedev, who has a network of gas stations and stores in the United States and the like?


        To touch, only with his fortune, it's like a pellet for an elephant.
    2. +2
      10 March 2023 10: 10
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      And if conversations began on the topic "isn't the war very expensive for us?" it means that it is necessary either to hang effective managers,

      That's right, that for a tenth of the money that we spent on the SVO, it was possible to buy the entire political elite of Ukraine.
      1. 0
        10 March 2023 23: 24
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        And if conversations began on the topic "isn't the war very expensive for us?" it means that it is necessary either to hang effective managers,

        That's right, that for a tenth of the money that we spent on the SVO, it was possible to buy the entire political elite of Ukraine.

        13 billion was given to Yanukovych ...
        1. +4
          10 March 2023 23: 53
          Quote: your1970
          13 billion was given to Yanukovych ...

          Well, Yanyk did not plan anything against Russia. The Americans spent 5 billion on the Maidan, while our snot was chewing at that time.
  8. +4
    10 March 2023 07: 22
    Who will consider what the voluntary surrender of the country to the imperialists cost in the 90s ??? What are you speaking about? Refusal of the war will cost many times, and even an order of magnitude more expensive! We fight on our own, and not in debt, like you. There is not enough money for new weapons, we will use the old ones, we have enough warheads. Let's see which state collapses first.
  9. +9
    10 March 2023 07: 24
    Somehow, at a military commissar in the 1990s, we were impressed by the comparison that the Malyutka anti-tank gun on the BMP-1 flies at the price of a Zhiguli, and an aluminum flask cost 40 rubles 40 years ago, like a quarter of the average Soviet salary.
    1. +7
      10 March 2023 08: 38
      And since the war, there was a saying that a shot of a large-caliber projectile: chrome boots flew.
      1. +1
        10 March 2023 21: 15
        Moreover, the war was still Russian-Japanese, when they said this. And the projectile was not large-caliber.
        1. 0
          17 March 2023 20: 57
          The main caliber then, probably, was shot with whole huts
  10. +8
    10 March 2023 07: 43
    The author touched upon the efficiency of military-industrial complex enterprises, and why they are at a loss. But the truth is fleeting.
    A very complex system of purchases and sales. Requires a large number of suppliers, contractors, economists, accountants. These are the costs of maintaining them. But a complex system does not give efficiency. Everything costs once, and abuses thrive. Even Matvienko admitted this recently, they say they steal anyway.
    Instead of betting on good personnel, we have been put on a complex process of collective irresponsibility.
    There are also bloated staffs of military acceptances, which not only accept products at each redistribution, but also calculate prices.
    Many enterprises are old, from Soviet times, have large areas for which you have to pay a lot of money, plus a large area is a loss in energy communications.
    The tax on the property of military-industrial complex enterprises also does not contribute to development.
    However, many enterprises are accustomed to living in grand style and comfort, after the golden rains of federal modernization programs fell on them. It is necessary, it is not necessary, they bought various equipment, which is not often used now.
    This is only part of the problem. The design school was almost destroyed in the 90s and early XNUMXs. Now it is basically only capable of modernizing a little Soviet developments.
    The aviation and electronic industries were also almost destroyed. Like the machine tool industry.
    Artillery was abandoned for many years, with little or no development. A lot of things went wrong.
    Is it possible to correct the situation now?
    It is necessary, but you need to understand that this process is not fast, everything has the power of inertia.
    Can those who led to this situation begin to correct the situation? Well, everyone has their own answer.
    1. +4
      10 March 2023 08: 36
      I have an idea about military representatives in the USSR: often they only put stamps. 90% useless people who are paid a salary. I wonder at whose expense.
    2. 0
      10 March 2023 21: 18
      It was very lucky that in the West the military-industrial complex was killed no less, and sometimes even more. In England, France and Italy, for example, tank building was completely killed - which we didn’t have close even under Yeltsin. Confidently grew only Asians.
    3. -1
      11 March 2023 15: 11
      The nationalization of military-industrial complex enterprises, strategic raw materials, resource and energy supply companies will make it possible to establish uniform prices for raw materials, materials, energy resources, which will reduce unnecessary procurement costs by an order of magnitude, eliminate the system of "markups" and, as a result, lead to a significant reduction in the price of final products ...
  11. +13
    10 March 2023 07: 49
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    There are too many layers and effective managers who want to warm up / warm up their vile little hands on our tax money in the form of state defense orders. And what is even sadder for those who really forge the sword and shield of the motherland at the machines, miserable crumbs reach, the work of working machine builders is still not held in high esteem. And under Stalin, a working Stakhanovite could receive more than a union minister

    Yes, it was ..... they wrote that when someone pointed this out to Stalin in the Politburo ..... that they say miners in coal mines receive more than a member of the USSR Politburo or a minister ..... Stalin said: there are a lot of vacancies in the mines now , but not in the Politburo! And everyone shut up at once
  12. +6
    10 March 2023 07: 56
    Costs at the price of oil 2 times lower than the market
    and partial payment in rupees

    by the way, the engine was made new for the su-57
    or is everything on the "galosh"?
  13. +1
    10 March 2023 07: 58
    "Katz offers to give up?"
  14. +2
    10 March 2023 08: 00
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    But Russian industry has long complained about the Defense Ministry's policy of forcing manufacturers to cut prices.
    During the Great Patriotic War, the cost of the T-34 decreased by 1,5 times, despite military inflation and a sharp (T-34-85) complication of the design ...
    Maybe it's in the state system?

    maybe because the kids were behind the machines for food stamps
    although the thieves certainly pressed
    1. +3
      10 March 2023 16: 45
      Quote from: bravo77
      maybe because the kids were behind the machines for food stamps
      although the thieves certainly pressed

      maybe because if adults were behind the machines, food stamps would be exactly the same. And also because 60 million were under occupation and worked not for the USSR, but for the Germans, also for food.
  15. 0
    10 March 2023 08: 08
    Strange article... A set of letters and numbers. Little is known from the text.
    In my opinion, it will not be possible to calculate the costs of the war at all. Firstly, there is a lot of old equipment that no one bought, it seems to have remained from Soviet times. Secondly, most of the expenses will remain classified, this is the practice. And, finally, what is the point of counting the costs of the war? If wars started according to the principle - if I buy five billion weapons and go to war, then everything would be like in a computer game. And the reality is that we fight with what we have and with what we can buy from friends and have time to do it ourselves.
    For example, I can cite Syria. Having dispersed the barmaley there, we received good dividends in the form of our three companies that trade in Syrian oil and other raw materials. According to unofficial estimates, our participation in the Syrian company paid off... With Ukraine, we are not talking about payback, we just need to defeat the enemy, the enemy is not a Ukrainian, this is NATO led by mattresses.
    1. +1
      10 March 2023 21: 13
      Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
      For example, I can cite Syria. Having dispersed the barmaley there, we received good dividends in the form of our three companies that trade in Syrian oil and other raw materials. According to unofficial estimates, our participation in the Syrian company paid off ...


      I haven't heard this yet. In Syria, there is not enough oil even for our own needs. ISIS (o.z.n.t.R.F.) and all sorts of field commanders sold it as smugglers, but only because they lowered the economy of the controlled regions to the level of the Middle Ages, when fuel was not needed. But are we good? And besides, the juiciest deposits are still under the Americans, and the attempt to move them ended for Wagner knows what (by the way, then these supermen showed how they are fighting with a real, not Ukrainian army).

      Usually, the profitability of the Syrian campaign is justified by the fact that live advertising of Russian weapons provided Rosoboronexport with orders (although here, rather, the general increase in tension in the world led to an increase in sales for all major arms exporters). And this factor was reset to zero after February 24.
  16. +6
    10 March 2023 08: 20
    What is the price? The question is difficult. It is one thing to release 2 experienced expensive aircraft. Another 20 for the Ministry of Defense is already for operation: expensive, problems with fine-tuning. And thirdly, a large series of 100 aircraft is no longer so expensive, given inflation. These are purely manufacturing costs. The second question is the question of expediency. An enemy tank behind the front line can be hit: 1) from a Ka-52 helicopter worth 1 billion with a rocket for 15 million, 2). you can hit a Krasnopol projectile worth about 4 million rubles using a drone for guidance that costs ten times less than a helicopter, 3) you can hit Geranium with loitering ammunition, the cost of which is unknown, but probably less than the helicopter version. And this topic of fighting tanks and other equipment is not limited to this: there are other techniques that differ in cost at times. Similarly, one can evaluate the use of artillery, aviation, equipment of motorized rifle units.
    1. 0
      10 March 2023 21: 00
      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
      3) you can hit Geranium with loitering ammunition, the cost of which is unknown, but probably less than the helicopter version.


      The cost of "Shahed" is estimated at 700 - 000 rubles. But it flies only at predetermined GPS / inertial coordinates, that is, it is suitable only for stationary purposes. A flight-controlled version seems to theoretically (!) exist, but even Konashenkov has not yet boasted of destroying a tank with the help of the Shahed.
  17. +3
    10 March 2023 08: 21
    How much is the war for Russia?
    It would be more logical to calculate how much a day of war costs an ordinary Russian taxpayer. hi
  18. +4
    10 March 2023 08: 25
    The money invested in real production is jobs, this is the development of scientific potential, this is the provision of families of workers and technical specialists. These are social elevators for those who know how to work and organize production. This is a way out of technological dependence.
    Perhaps less money will go to the replacement of curbs, and a triple change of asphalt.
    1. +6
      10 March 2023 09: 40
      Perhaps less money will go to the replacement of curbs, and a triple change of asphalt.

      - Dad, they say vodka has risen in price. Are you going to drink less now?
      - No, son, now you will eat less.
    2. +4
      10 March 2023 20: 52
      Quote from Kuziming
      The money invested in real production is jobs, this is the development of scientific potential, this is the provision of families of workers and technical specialists.


      Previously, we produced "Logans", localized by 70% (that is, 70% of each car became our jobs, scientific potential, etc.). Now instead of them "Muscovites", localized by 0,001% (nameplate on the face of the Chinese trough).
  19. +4
    10 March 2023 08: 43
    Everything is laid out on the shelves. Pretty reliable. And the conclusion is correct.
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    1. +1
      10 March 2023 20: 47
      Quote: Alt22
      For half of the money that the Russian Federation lost from Western sanctions, that it spent and is spending on the war, it could transport all Russian and pro-Russian residents of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, moreover, by giving each of them one odnushka or a house in the village with all the necessary tools, moreover with full payment and travel and all movable property up to furniture!


      And if we take only the inhabitants of Donbass (is it in their defense, according to the latest data, that the SVO is going on?), then it was possible to build a second Singapore for them, a utopian city with ultra-modern factories, flying vehicles and everything else. And for change, there would be money left to buy a thousand Armats.
  21. +11
    10 March 2023 11: 21
    It would be better if the Americans gave an alignment of how it happened that 20 trillion rubles were spent on the GPV, and there are practically no new weapons in the troops ....
    200 Su-57 * 5 billion = 1 trillion. rub.
    2500 T-90 * 0,2 billion = 0,5 trillion. rub.
    500 Ka-52* 1 billion = 0,5 trillion. rub
    20 frigates pr. 22350 * 35 billion = 0,7 trillion. rub.
    20 corvettes pr. 20380 * 15 billion = 0,3 trillion. rub.
    This is how you start counting 20 trillion. rub. really enough for the complete rearmament of the entire army.
    If the finances are spent, then the Minister of Defense with his best accountants should answer the logical question WHERE are the tanks, planes, ships ...?
  22. +10
    10 March 2023 12: 11
    I read somewhere on the English-speaking Internet about the cost of CBO per month. I was surprised, but then I picked up a calculator, and this is what happened, it almost coincided with the assessment:
    1. DD military personnel in the combat zone.
    300 thousand people X 200 thousand rubles / month = 60 billion rubles / month
    2. Loss of equipment. Aviation - 10 boards per month X 2 billion rubles on average per board = 20 billion.
    Armored vehicles - 100 vehicles X 100 million rubles. = 10 billion per month
    Other equipment - cars, artillery, drones, mortars, etc. - well, another 5 billion.
    Total for equipment 25 billion rubles/month
    3. Fuel and lubricants, repairs, spare parts - here is Zaruba. Let's say drying for a sortie eats 5 tons, this is 250 thousand rubles and the same amount will be spent on fuel and lubricants and consumables, that is, a combat sortie costs 0,5 million at least. According to various sources, we make 4000 sorties a month, which is 2 billion. Ground vehicles are many times more, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, vehicles, etc. - I can’t say for sure, but together with aviation and the navy, 10 billion a month will definitely run up.
    4. Nutrition, supply, provision of personnel.
    300 thousand people X 80 thousand rubles per month = up to 25 billion per month.
    5. Ammunition consumption. This is a very interesting point.
    Let's start with guided missiles. We shoot several types of them, sea-to-land, land-to-land, air-to-land, land-to-air, basically. Let's say 3000 missiles go a month, with an average cost of probably 30 million apiece. Total 90 billion rubles.
    Further: Large caliber artillery, 120 and 240 mm mortars and 122/152/203 mm art. and MLRS. One shot costs an average of 80 thousand, this is the cost of one shell and the dying of the gun, we fire 30000 bullets a day, more than 900000 a month, this is ours, we get about 80 billion.
    And there are also 82 mm mortars, 125 mm tank guns, 100 mm, 30 mm guns, ATGMs, MANPADS, small arms, grenades, and so on. I will especially highlight 30mm - here the space consumption, and one shot costs up to 5000 rubles. I think there is no less than the same 80 billion a month.
    So let's sum up the above. We get 370 billion rubles. per month. And the estimate from the Western media was 500 billion a month. But I didn't count everything. Killed and wounded, treatment and recovery, compensation, then - the release of new equipment and power supplies, logistics, write-offs for non-combat pr., and much more. So I agree with the figure of 6 trillion a year. This is 20% of federal budget expenditures. Plus, there is another 4 trillion current military spending that is not related to the NWO. Something like this. Every third ruble from the budget is now at war. Such military spending in the world is nowhere else. I mean, 33% of the budget goes to military spending...
    1. +3
      10 March 2023 13: 35
      Such military spending in the world is nowhere else. I mean, 33% of the budget goes to military spending...
      Thank you for the information, it is also worth adding all kinds of volunteer help to your calculations.
    2. +1
      11 March 2023 14: 26
      Without counting anything from the bulldozer, I immediately figured that the war would cost about 5 trillion a year.
  23. +2
    10 March 2023 12: 56
    I don't understand why people talk and write about this openly? Isn't this a state secret?
    1. +1
      10 March 2023 13: 42
      Documents contain state secrets, not bloggers' thoughts. And then we can say that the fact that Russia is conducting a NWO is also a state secret.
    2. +4
      10 March 2023 14: 01
      State secret of what? The cost of diesel fuel, or the salary of the mobilized? It seems like it's not a secret.
    3. +2
      10 March 2023 14: 56
      This is not a state secret. What is taken from open sources cannot be a state secret. The budget of the Russian Federation for the year is an official document, yes, it has closed articles, but the general parameters of income and expenses are open. The cost of weapons and so on are, of course, approximate figures, but they are also open, I’m writing that a shot costs up to 5 thousand, but it actually costs, for example, 4885. This does not change the picture. With minimal knowledge in the field of economics and finance, you can Roughly calculate what it costs.
  24. +4
    10 March 2023 14: 17
    It was necessary to count, write and think earlier. Way back in 2014. Then we would have paid a very different price, both in money and in human resources. And now you don’t need to be seven spans in your forehead - military operations are expensive for Russia, sanctions are a stranglehold, the leader of the country is an ostrich, with his head in the sand after February 24th. Calculations won't change anything and none of the "effective" managers will be fired.
    1. +2
      10 March 2023 15: 25
      Money is a purely subjective measure of the value of physical objects, two perfectly identical things can have very different values ​​in the same place at the same time, and that is, the same amount of money can have very different purchasing power and this fact is completely different does not care, in a word, money is not a criterion of truth.
    2. -3
      11 March 2023 14: 28
      The difference from 2014 is that then we would not have been able to withstand the current sanctions so relatively easily. This was the main factor why the war was not started in 2014. Not only the Ukrainians were not ready for it, but also we.
  25. +3
    10 March 2023 15: 59
    How much is the war for Russia?


    as much as necessary will be necessary for the existence of Russia and its people.
    But one thing is clear that the oligarchs of Russia, together with their media servants, cost many times more and they were fed, fed and will be fed by the Russian peasant. They sit on his neck and rob him.
  26. -8
    10 March 2023 16: 19
    How tired this writer is ..... and his articles sucked from the finger ... It's a pity the cons were removed for the articles ... All his articles are just an attempt to collect hype ... Do not read Skomorokhov, and even more so do not believe him ... In any of his articles has one message: everything is bad, we are in shit, the authorities can’t do anything, everything is bad with us.
    Well, a typical IPSO-shnik ...
  27. +3
    10 March 2023 16: 23
    Whatever the cost of victory, it cannot be compared with the cost of defeat.
    1. -4
      10 March 2023 17: 07
      all his "prices" are fake ... aimed at warming up interest in himself
  28. -1
    10 March 2023 16: 34
    Aren't you tired of dispersing information about the deficit?
    A purely technical deficit in the accounts has accumulated a huge number of tax payments that cannot be distributed due to a shitty single tax something. There are five trillion rubles
    1. +1
      11 March 2023 12: 46
      The UNP is a single tax payment, introduced on January 1, 2023. It was introduced either by the clumsy inept little hands of tax monsters, or by a corrupt group, it is not clear which one. Payments go badly, the way it was before does not work. As a result, delays in the passage of payments. Even state bodies receiving payments on their websites publish rivers through which the payment does not pass. For example, the courts.
      Such is our professional environment! I agree with certero, the money did not come for 2 months unmeasuredly.
  29. -5
    10 March 2023 17: 41
    I believe that the war would have cost much less. Since in the war tactical nuclear weapons are at the disposal of com. divisions. And he would simply solve all the issues in a day, without bothering with world problems.
  30. +2
    10 March 2023 18: 00
    The author did not answer. How much is the war for the Russian Federation. The text of the article does not correspond to the declared.
  31. +2
    10 March 2023 18: 23
    The article is pretty stupid. We know approximately how much this or that sample costs even without the author. But how much the war costs is not written in the article.
  32. +8
    10 March 2023 18: 29
    Today on TV there was a story that in the Chelyabinsk region they invested 1 billion rubles and opened a plant for the production of trolleybuses with a capacity of 350 trolleybuses per year. One ka-52 costs so much. And it's kind of incomparable for people. Imagine what it would be possible to turn the country into flourishing cooler than the states and cooler than any Dubai for people if they didn’t make such useless pieces of iron like helicopters and planes. The country is in poverty, and then there is this war.
    1. +4
      10 March 2023 20: 36
      Of course, being completely without helicopters, planes and other weapons, being between NATO, China and the Muslim world, is an overly bold proposal. The army is needed. But it would be worth using it much more carefully. Even the United States, with its capabilities, can no longer afford external wars - everything ends in defeat. Even their army can't cope. We don't have their army.
  33. -5
    10 March 2023 18: 48
    I think now it is not appropriate to think about money, because then they can attack Russia. their goal is not to attack Russia, but to pay off all sorts of movements here so that they start a war here. For America, a civil war is the best way to somehow harm all countries.
    Today they give money to Ukraine, and tomorrow they will give the Navalnyat money to fight.
    Our Defense Ministry needs to think about what is going on in our army and warehouses.
    America f35 has 1000 pieces. and what we have, we have not even finished hundreds of Su-57s yet.
    Well, the fact that we have a lot of different equipment, it is different and sometimes needed. And it needs to be improved, it was developed when there was no such weapon as it is now.
    Tanks now must be accompanied by a mobile air defense system. I was watching a video of how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are dropping grenades on our tanks.
    Warehouses need to be replenished with daggers, missiles for SRZO, and so on.
    in fact, the problem turned out to be even with the uniform, it was not even in the amount that was required by the mobilized. Warehouses with shells apparently already empty. Once the economy went and began to swear.
    Our generals have forgotten how to count how much they need for military operations, and the industry, many factories were simply closed and are only now being revived. It's strange that gunpowder factories were closed.
    If we do not invest in the development of weapons, we will never get it normally. We need development in different directions, right now we just remembered about it.
    I also recall the words of Arestovich that he said that if the West wants it, he will send more than 2 thousand aircraft to Russia. And we have listed above how many of them. Perhaps most will be destroyed by air strikes. Nuclear weapons are not a guarantee
    Our various ministries buy machines with Intel processors, but these processors can simply be turned off. You can access disks without even turning on the PC.
    Why do our programmers flee the country, I think that they should be banned from leaving the country
  34. -6
    10 March 2023 19: 09
    I think that programmers should be given access to secrecy and then not be released for 10 years if they had access to some systems somewhere.
    Most programmers did not serve in the army, they must be gathered together and let them serve programming for their homeland
    People have access and can use some information. They will provide it or hack it.
    Well, in general, is it possible to trust these people, put travel bans on them.
    For example, to be a programmer you have to be absolutely healthy and they get deferrals.
    It should be possible to work for a number of years at home, and then you have the right to leave while they are young and stupid, they want to, and then if they are not given at a young age, they themselves will not want to go anywhere.
    Whether you are sick or not, their service should be near the PC where each of them should be assessed and given a category of departure
    It is necessary to get cards for programmers, call them temporarily for several months to inspect them, study their capabilities. Offer them big money if they can.
    For designers of military factories and scientists, it is necessary that they meet and discuss what they could not solve.
    1. +2
      10 March 2023 20: 30
      Well, then there will be no programmers in the Russian Federation.
    2. 0
      17 March 2023 21: 06
      And tsak to hang in the nose of every programmer
  35. +3
    10 March 2023 19: 10
    The war is called a war, this is already progress, not even two years have passed. I wonder how much more time must pass before most people realize that it will not bring anything good?
  36. +4
    10 March 2023 19: 50

    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    miserable crumbs reach those who really forge the sword and shield of the motherland at the machines, the labor of machine builders is still not held in high esteem.
    .
    The system of government in Russia is as follows.
    The Roman emperor Tarquinius said:
    "Extortions, taxes, hard labor - all this is included in the system of my government. It is the easiest for me to manage the poor and oppressed people." ©

    Our leaders can say the same words.
  37. +2
    10 March 2023 20: 25
    Quote: vvvjak
    The Americans claim that 900 kilodollars a day costs the war for Putin. At least at the beginning of SVO.


    $900? Lie. These are miserable pennies, even by the standards of peacetime, so you can fight forever. Did you mean 000 million? This is closer to the point (although this is already an exaggeration). For example, based on the promised salary of 900 rubles, and even if the 200 people who receive it at the front, it already comes out to 000 million dollars a day for just one salary. It is blasphemous to make such calculations, but each killed is 300 dollars, and each wounded is 000. One missile for the Smerch costs 30 dollars. A simple unguided projectile, which was fired in the tens of thousands on good days, costs $100-$000. Lost tank from 40 to 000 million. "Caliber", it seems, all 100 million. And if you count not direct spending on the army, but along with losses from sanctions, overpayments for gray imports, etc. - a large number is running.
    1. 0
      10 March 2023 23: 03
      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      Quote: vvvjak
      The Americans claim that 900 kilodollars a day costs the war for Putin. At least at the beginning of SVO.


      $900? Lie. These are miserable pennies, even by the standards of peacetime, so you can fight forever. Did you mean 000 million? This is closer to the point (although this is already an exaggeration). For example, based on the promised salary of 900 rubles, and even if the 200 people who receive it at the front, it already comes out to 000 million dollars a day for just one salary. It is blasphemous to make such calculations, but each killed is 300 dollars, and each wounded is 000. One missile for the Smerch costs 30 dollars. A simple unguided projectile, which was fired in the tens of thousands on good days, costs $100-$000. Lost tank from 40 to 000 million. "Caliber", it seems, all 100 million. And if you count not direct spending on the army, but along with losses from sanctions, overpayments for gray imports, etc. - a large number is running.


      It is worth considering that most missiles and shells are the costs of previous periods and not current ones. Plus, the fact that their more active production now clearly should decently reduce the cost.
      1. +1
        10 March 2023 23: 29
        Quote from: newtc7
        It is worth considering that most missiles and shells are the costs of previous periods and not current ones.

        Well, in the future, warehouses will have to be filled at an accelerated pace. I remember how in XNUMX it was solemnly announced on TV that the last batch of cartridges made during the Second World War had been selected from the warehouses.
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  39. -2
    10 March 2023 21: 12
    Well, yes, let's die so as not to pay for weapons. Fuck the logic, it's good that they didn't listen to you during World War II.
  40. -7
    10 March 2023 21: 15
    Ndaaa ... But "Katz" really offers to surrender. Like a petty demon, he ran over the cost of military products, complained about its high cost and was horrified by the problems that would arise in the future. He even has our turntables"very actively used in Ukraine." In Ukraine, and not like the Russians - IN Ukraine. Everything is bad, everything is expensive, there is no light and no hope ... in every paragraph.
    A custom article with a certain subtext ... it is not yet directly suggested to raise your hands, but it is already recommended to think about it. The next opus, presumably, will be about an incredible burden on the budget of our mobiles, the cost of equipment, personal weapons and logistics for an individual fighter, his food, treatment and the number of liters of fuel to move in space and heat it ...
    Something is wrong with the "Military Review" and it is in the current difficult period. I do not propose to yell, but pessimism should not be scattered from article to article either. So you can pile up on a completely different "article".
    1. -1
      11 March 2023 16: 25
      Yeah, on a normal resource, such enemy propaganda would be immediately demolished.
      We need to check the owners of the site, maybe they still finance the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
  41. +2
    10 March 2023 21: 21
    Have mercy, citizens, have mercy! What kind of "war" is this!? There is an NWO, which costs "what - no" money for the state. “Which - none” exactly, we learn about this from the constantly and steadily growing prices for provisions, as well as for everything else. And about how much a real war will cost, we will learn from the thoroughly empty store shelves, a rigid rationing system and unusually spacious clothes that will become problematic to change. And also on the general (God forbid, at least not total) mobilization of the population and industry for military needs, as well as on the slogans at every step: "Everything for the front, everything for the victory over the enemy!". What it will actually cost, we will find out only after that very victory, the timing of which no one will undertake to predict. And let's not guess.
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 14: 28
      Frank Muller
      we learn about this from the constantly and steadily growing prices for provisions, as well as for everything else

      You are not right. Haven't you thought about the fact that prices are simply rising due to the fact that no one will give a hand to presumptuous businessmen? What do they get next Bentleys and next mansions? Look at how much the income of Russian business has grown in 2022? SVO is just a suggestion. By the way, someone from our elite said that Russian business was very successful in 2022.
      You do not confuse the socialist economy of 1941 and the wild capitalist economy of 2023!
  42. 0
    10 March 2023 23: 00
    , prices are simply listed, but where are the calculations themselves? Hack.
    Let's just say this: the cost of paying people about 200 billion a month, which is not a lot - more than 1.5% of GDP accumulates in a year.
    The next item is ammunition, and only then the retired equipment.
    In total, this war most likely cost us about 2022 trillion rubles in 4, i.e. 60 billion dollars, which is comparable to what the West spends on Ukraine. Plus, you need to take into account the theft that we have that they have, although they are probably still more serious.
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 14: 24
      newtc7
      Yes, you are right - the title of the article does not reflect its content.
      But I disagree further. The main expenses go to ammunition (billions and trillions of cartridges, millions of shells and unguided rockets) and fuel for countless military equipment. And only then salaries (which, for sure, are delayed, and for some, for various reasons, they are not paid - he ended up in the hospital or died on the eve of pay)
  43. 0
    10 March 2023 23: 57
    Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
    I haven't heard this yet

    This is reliable information. One of the companies is Prigozhin's structure.
  44. +4
    10 March 2023 23: 57
    The most expensive thing we pay is with human lives
    1. -1
      11 March 2023 06: 51
      The fact that we will pay with our lives, smart people understood 30 years ago. And the fools laughed and twisted their fingers at the temple.

      It is clear that smart people are in the minority everywhere. And so it should be. But this is so as not to understand where the smart ones are, and where the nerds are, this is only in Russia.
  45. 0
    11 March 2023 04: 15
    And cucumbers (shells) continue to rise in price

    There is no doubt that all the figures relating to the Russian defense industry given in the article are at least 3-5 times overestimated, primarily due to the private ownership of natural resources, energy, logistics, banks and a significant part of the military-industrial complex enterprises themselves , which allows, in the conditions of fraudulent schemes of the financial and economic market, to speculate in prices, first of all, on resources an order of magnitude higher than their real cost, which inevitably leads to an increase in prices for defense production products. And the owners-grabbers and / or state managers - the "heroes" of capitalist labor cynically extract superprofits ...

    To prevent this from happening, it is necessary, again at least, that Art. 71 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, according to which almost all of the above national resources and wealth should be in the hands - "run by the state":

    l) defense and security; defense production; determining the procedure for the sale and purchase of weapons, ammunition, military equipment and other military property; production of toxic substances, narcotic drugs and the procedure for their use; ensuring the security of the individual, society and the state in the application of information technology, circulation of digital data;

    i) federal energy systems, nuclear power, fissile materials; federal transport, means of communication, information, information technologies and communications; space activities;

    All this is all the more important during the period of the NWO, the "hybrid / proxy war" or any other savage notions of insatiable capital, for which, especially on the example of the United States, wars have always been and will be a "bonanza" for enriching the Nazi elites, due to robbery and destruction duped and robbed population, including non-belligerent states.

    And this is possible, and today it is extremely necessary to do so. The main thing would be the will and desire of the victorious People itself, as the "Bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power", as well as the ruling "elites" "controlled" by it. We will lose sovereignty, as in the troubled 90s, and today the consequences, as NATO Russophobes openly declare, can be much worse - with the division and colonization of the Russian state, who will we blame? As you know: "After a fight, they don't wave their fists."

    How to prevent this? What needs to be done to make the real economy and the banking system work, primarily in the interests of the military-industrial complex? This is what state experts have been discussing for a long time, including on various TV shows. In particular, A.M. Babakov, whose conclusions and proposals are understandable to any literate person, but are completely not perceived by the managers-"monitors" of the financial and economic bloc, one of whom (Ulyukaev) even managed to visit "Makar with calves". And nothing has changed. The same experts say that the real export of capital from the sale of resources not only did not decrease, but increased several times. Here are such "democratic investments" under the 23-year auspices of the United Russia party in the creation of 25 million new high-tech jobs and also in the promised improvement in the living standards of the disadvantaged people ...

    To live in your country with dignity, happily ever after,
    It is not enough for us to change the essence of the laws and the system of power.
    We need Unity and People-Will, as a living force of reason,
    Able to effectively maintain control over power!

    To do this, we need to divide the branches of power and money,
    And to allow only the wise righteous to power.
    By law, exclude luxury and poverty from the essence of life,
    And only then will we be worthy of the title of Reasonable Beings!

    According to the Constitution of Russia, the People are the Source and Creator of their country,
    We are all responsible for the Fatherland and the fate of future generations.
    "No! Democracy for the "chosen ones" - we must boldly say,
    And choose the good of justice to replace the greed of creatures!

    stihi.ru/2018/01/02/3018
  46. +3
    11 March 2023 10: 03
    Yes. War is a costly enterprise. But the problem is. That the costs are paid by the state and citizens. Individuals receive income and benefits.
  47. 0
    11 March 2023 10: 31
    Listen to the author, so maybe we should already surrender, at the mercy of Bandera? Author, pick up the snot and stop counting money. All armed conflicts have always been a costly business, but when the question arises of protecting your people and borders from all sorts of Nazi scum, then counting how much a machine gun or tank costs is at least ugly. During the Great Patriotic War, the newspapers did not write how much a rifle or cartridge cost, and whether there would be enough money to produce them, because, first of all, it was necessary to crush the fascist nits, and the people should not have known where to get the finances. It’s not enough for us to have all sorts of alarmists, cowards and traitors, so let’s still count, “how much does this or that cost, and is it necessary, or maybe we’ll manage like that, we’ll beat off any counter with sticks.” The sooner we crush this Bandera scum, the sooner the NWO will end. Now the slogan is "ALL FOR THE FRONT, EVERYTHING FOR VICTORY!".
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 14: 20
      Sergeant_Soviet_Army
      Upvote for a reasonable opinion. Moreover, in reality, the author did not calculate the costs, but only once again boasted of erudition
  48. +2
    11 March 2023 14: 28
    [quote = aleksejkabanets] because we don’t touch the German railways, bridges and railway stations [/ quote]
    Destroying bridges across the Dnieper - this fits perfectly into the Wishlist of the West, stopping us on the Dnieper, concluding a peace treaty and giving them a break. They vitally need 2-3 years to transfer their economy to a military footing. We need bridges ourselves, but yesterday's attacks on their infrastructure in the depths of Ukraine are right. [/ Quote]
    The excuse that "bridges across the Dnieper will be useful to us" is relevant only for conversations with first-graders. Does anyone seriously believe that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the event of a hypothetical retreat beyond the Dnieper, will leave them intact? Practice shows that their retreat tactics are scorched earth tactics, there is no stone left unturned, let alone bridges... Something tells us that the strange position regarding logistics facilities in Ukraine is based on someone's carefully concealed selfish interests.
  49. +2
    11 March 2023 15: 26
    As the saying goes: "The war economy is reverse alchemy, it turns gold into lead."
  50. -1
    11 March 2023 16: 18
    If we are to carry out such calculations, then we should consider everything. For example, what dividends will the post-war situation bring. And, of course, it cannot do without all sorts of Western experts. This immediately begs the question - how do they know which sample and for what money it is purchased.
  51. +1
    12 March 2023 01: 25
    But what scares me more is how much military equipment our army lost during the Northern Military District, so much that even for personnel units, the oldest military equipment was removed from storage from the 70s.... I recently stood at a crossing and saw a trainload of old ones going by army ZILs onboard in faded Afghan paint. And some old armored personnel carriers, obviously not even from the 80s, something completely wretched. And all this was traveling on platforms towards Donetsk... It’s already creepy. They completely destroyed everything in the battles, since such junk was dug up from somewhere from storage bases in the fields? In addition, we are intensively churning out new equipment at military-industrial complex enterprises, all for the “front”. Where did the equipment go that should be in service with personnel units?
  52. -2
    12 March 2023 09: 04
    The article is made up of nothing and does not reflect the real picture, our military-industrial complex will not experience any problems, remember the period of the USSR, and China is now close at hand
  53. -1
    12 March 2023 09: 47
    Quote: fif21
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    It is clear that it is very expensive ... You can go broke on shells and cartridges alone. Apart from other expenses.

    Therefore, weapons capable of creating a lunar landscape should be withdrawn from service and replaced with precision weapons. It will be cheaper than using wagons . Punish for shooting from automatic weapons at "Syrian". If you don't see the enemy, don't shoot. Prices for military property, products, ammunition, to be fixed at the level before the start of the SVO, for raw materials for their manufacture, too. hi

    That is, suppressive fire cannot be fired? The next step is to ban machine guns and machine guns, give us three-ruler guns!
  54. 0
    12 March 2023 09: 48
    Quote: TOR2
    If we are to carry out such calculations, then we should consider everything. For example, what dividends will the post-war situation bring. And, of course, it cannot do without all sorts of Western experts. This immediately begs the question - how do they know which sample and for what money it is purchased.

    Have you read the article?
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  57. 0
    April 8 2023 12: 18
    (write their prices are more expensive, here in the Russian Federation our military expenses are cheaper) so strict secrecy!
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