The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 20 November 2012

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The Magnitsky law adopted by the US Congress as a burden to repeal the idiotic Jackson-Vanik amendment naturally caused a response from the Russian side. On the one hand, foreign policy rudeness is accepted to respond symmetrically. However, by and large it is not clear because of what is the whip.

The notorious Jackson-Vanik amendment, which introduced trade restrictions in response to the restriction of Jewish emigration from the USSR, has existed since 74, in recent decades as a wild anachronism, but the Americans were in no hurry to cancel it. The situation changed after Russia's accession to the WTO, when American companies decided that a discriminatory amendment would prevent them from taking advantage of the emerging Russian market.

Well, then, when it came to serious money, the Americans showed the traditional agility. But in order to reach an agreement with the Congress, the Administration had to agree to a link with the “human rights” allegedly “Magnitsky law”.

Recall, the law provides for a ban on entry into the United States for unnamed Russian officials involved in the death of the lawyer Magnitsky in the SIZO, as well as in other cases of death or persecution of human rights defenders or those whom the Americans consider as such. And the possibility of freezing their accounts in American banks.

And, in fact, everything. What a universal grief! Our officials - this is, first of all, the security forces, will lose the opportunity to travel to the United States. And they - oh, God! - freeze accounts in American banks. Can I have a question? It’s so scary that our officials, who have redeemed the rights of people who are selectively kind to the US Congress, will not go to the States, but, for example, to Italy ?! And is it really necessary for them to have accounts in American banks?

From the movie "Heart of a Dog":
- Do not throw cigarette butts, do not spit, handle the urinal carefully. With Zina, stop all conversations! She complains that you are waiting for her in the dark! Who told the patient "The dog knows him"? What are you, really? In the pub, or what?
- Something you hurt me painfully, dad ....

Not in the tavern. Really. Americans, of course, are rude. And rude intentionally and publicly. Once again, extending US law outside its jurisdiction. This is probably worthy of a full-time diplomatic reaction. But certainly nothing new has happened here. And in fact, we would like to thank them for a very constructive and disciplining initiative. The only pity is that not all officials can fit in the "Magnitsky list".

In response to the adoption of the Magnitsky law, the Russian Foreign Ministry advised US congressmen to look at an ugly picture of respecting human rights in the United States, pointing to torture in CIA special prisons, abduction of foreign citizens by special services and the indefinite and unjust detention of Guantanamo prisoners.

Once again: the traditions of diplomacy require symmetrical answers. However, in fact, we should not be interested in the human rights situation in the United States. Unless it's our fellow citizens or people who are especially nice to us. This is an exclusively sovereign interest of the Americans themselves. The same thing, by the way, with election observation. Each sovereign people themselves determine what rights they have, how whom and how to choose and whether to choose at all.

From the movie "Heart of a Dog":
“It is very possible that Isadora Duncan does just that — he dines in the bedroom and cuts rabbits in the bathroom.” But I am not Isadora Duncan. I will have lunch in the dining room, and operate in the operating room. Pass it on to the general meeting.

Our political system and the rights of our people are our political concern and no one else. And for the "Magnitsky law" - thanks. Of course, we will try to use it to protect our sovereignty.
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  1. +29
    November 21, 2012
    Oh woe to us woe. The chief Butyrka will freeze an account in an American bank. All Russian people are in mourning.
    1. +23
      November 21, 2012
      Comrades, let’s supplement this list with new names! I think so there not all our officials are recorded! Well, let's make a stool for example!
      1. +11
        November 21, 2012
        Not only the furniture military, but, for example, to take and announce to the whole world that Birch and the like are an agent of the Kremlin, and their enterprising Yankees themselves will add to this list. Make sure that they themselves become hostages of their idiocy.
        1. +7
          November 21, 2012
          alexneg,
          The trick is that they control these corrupt officials with such actions, punishing disobedience. This is funny for us, ordinary people, but for the official that he constantly collects kickbacks, where can I store the money?
          1. +3
            November 21, 2012
            In for this reason, this chip is treated with irony. Amer themselves do not want to, will help Russia in the fight against sticky hands in high posts. On this idiotic law, one can turn out so that the amers, realizing their mistake, quickly slam it down, as if they were working not in the interests of overseas seizures ..
      2. +2
        November 21, 2012
        In the list, in general, only people from the prosecutor's office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the tax, and Taburetkin bounced on time ....
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3%D


        0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE
        The Americans, specifically, got sick of their "importance", they climb wherever they can and where they cannot ... We need to constantly poke their noses in their house ... mo, preferably with specific examples, and not get off with general phrases ...
        Officials apparently fear that the list is open to new names and any of them may end up there as a fighter against "human rights activists" .... as well as the fact that the list can be supported by Europe and then their Courchevels and money in Eurobanks cried ... , sneeze us all on their list .....
      3. +7
        November 21, 2012
        I propose to go even further and legally oblige officials of all ranks to write applications to the American embassy demanding that they be included in the "Magnitsky list", and otherwise - not to take them to the civil service.
        Maybe then they will do the work in such a way that it would be comfortable for everyone in Russia to live.
      4. 0
        November 21, 2012
        so it is impossible - he only did .... for the benefit of the West ...
  2. +16
    November 21, 2012
    In response to the adoption of the "Magnitsky law", the Russian Foreign Ministry advised

    Again, the country of advice is to deliver Syria the S-300, brazenly abandon Mistral, launch the program of a combat ekranoplan, well, somehow it really is
    1. YARY
      +6
      November 21, 2012
      BRAVO! BIS!
  3. +7
    November 21, 2012
    On human rights in the United States and torture in secret prisons, you need to talk to the UN constantly and always. Even if they accept their amendments a little earlier, I’m not cold and hot.
    1. +6
      November 21, 2012
      Yes, the UN has long been discredited, on many issues and much more global. rather than the Magnitsky affair. Why remember Yugoslavia, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, etc.
  4. YARY
    +4
    November 21, 2012
    That's right!
    Let the bureaucrats use the taps in the entom "west" forever and their children and not just them and the melpomen!
    They ba mustache cho nahapali take out could not ba!
    1. +2
      November 21, 2012
      Quote: Ardent
      Let the bureaucrats use the taps in the entom "west" forever and their children

      This should be our leadership, not the US State Department.
      1. +2
        November 21, 2012
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This should be our leadership, not the US State Department.


        Hi Sasha, in the course of the State Department already sees himself as our government
        1. YARY
          +3
          November 21, 2012
          And what is wrong?
          When was the last time a thief from the "top" was shot?
          Why was the article "for extra large size" removed?
          How can you be blind?
        2. 0
          November 21, 2012
          Quote: Vadivak
          in the course of the State Department already sees itself as our government

          but it still dreams of a "parity symbiosis" ... feel
      2. Mitzhel
        0
        November 21, 2012
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This should be our leadership, not the US State Department.


        "Your" leadership has no claims to the same Serdyukov in the sense of criminal liability. This was directly stated by "your" Putin ... since "your" leadership cannot cope with corruption and criminals, then let the Americans press them at least.
  5. botur2013
    +6
    November 21, 2012
    The hedgehog was scared by a naked booty. Less babos will leave for the cordon.
  6. IlyaKuv
    +4
    November 21, 2012
    Yes, definitely, we are all deeply saddened.
  7. +4
    November 21, 2012
    The saddest thing is that what the United States says is listening to the whole world (showing what kind of idiots they are), and what we say is nobody but us listening ... We are just shaking the air.
    Therefore, specific measures are needed (although I do not mind at all that our officials would stop storing funds in US banks) .. But in order to respect the authority of the country, one could say, and most importantly, do something like .... not to let American companies to our market ... Get the hell out of all arms reduction treaties ..... etc.
    1. 0
      November 21, 2012
      After Gorbachev and Yeltsin, our current nonsense is somehow not impressive, although DAM is trying, but I feel it will fail.
  8. +12
    November 21, 2012
    He wrote already that the vast majority of the population of Russia do not give a damn about Magnitsky’s list together with the American Congress.
    1. +6
      November 21, 2012
      Quote: baltika-18
      the vast majority of the population of Russia do not care deeply about the Magnitsky list


      And for those who made it up, and for those who are afraid to get there and in general, the prices would not be increased, and to hell with it with this list
  9. borisst64
    +1
    November 21, 2012
    The dog barks - the caravan goes.
  10. +1
    November 21, 2012
    Ahahahahaha! Stop America! Ahahahahah! What are you doing....
  11. +5
    November 21, 2012
    Glory to the eggs that I am not an official and I do not have accounts in the USA! And then I would fall under the distribution .... laughing
    Here's someone who has ... If it's not a secret - "where's the money, Zin?" In short, don't ordinary citizens care about this list?
    1. +2
      November 21, 2012
      Quote: Middle Brother
      Glory to the eggs that I am not an official

      It’s interesting, but here on the site do you even see these?
      1. +3
        November 21, 2012
        Quote: Vadivak
        It’s interesting, but here on the site do you even see these?


        I think yes! And they include the regime of "correct and fair" people!
  12. +1
    November 21, 2012
    Quote Baltika - 18: "The overwhelming majority of the Russian population does not care deeply about the Magnitsky list."
    Yes, we are frankly happy for them.
  13. +3
    November 21, 2012
    It looks like a hysterical reaction to the law on NGOs.
    1. 0
      November 21, 2012
      It’s just that the law on non-profit organizations pinched their eggs, and here they are and squealed it by issuing their own law - aging senility. That is how the United States now looks like an old man hunchbacked, lame and stricken with insanity. And, to be even more precise, then at the Don Quixote of the 21 century.
      1. donchepano
        +1
        November 21, 2012
        Don’t offend DON QUIXOTE
  14. +4
    November 21, 2012
    Something I did not hear that American officials and oligarchs kept money on Russian accounts, some kind of nonsense, retaliatory measures, and our bureaucrats kept polls behind the hill and dump if the smell was fried and last, in general the Yankees only need someone to become an official in Russia immediately to the Magnitsky list, our people will only say thank you
    1. +1
      November 21, 2012
      Quote: bubla5
      Something I have not heard that American officials and oligarchs keep money in Russian accounts,


      Here you are wrong, I recently saw an advertisement, and so even Zeus and Apollo are Sberbank's clients, (this is where the real nonsense is)
    2. FID
      +1
      November 21, 2012
      Very true remark, very true! They would have printed this list, the people should know their "heroes"!
      1. +1
        November 21, 2012
        Sergey link from the wiki with a list, may not be accurate ....
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3%D
        0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE
        1. FID
          +1
          November 21, 2012
          Thank you, I read it with pleasure!
          1. 0
            November 21, 2012
            You are welcome! wink
  15. +6
    November 21, 2012
    As for the Magnitsky list, I fully support him and advocate for his maximum expansion up to and including 100% of Russians.
    But yesterday, after 23.00, I stumbled across a box on a film about Russia through the History channel. Today he clarified that this was the “History of Russia: revelations”.
    It is necessary for everyone to see it and show it to the entire population of the country in order for the people to understand who we are being held in civilized Europe.
    Ta-a-a-koy foul film foul performers foul civilization. So much distortions of facts, distortion of events and outright lies under the guise of objectivity through which hostility and hatred for Russia is averted, that there’s no better material about the misanthropic essence of the West.
    There are so many lies that if you write about everything, there will be a new Big Encyclopedia.
    I will mention only one moment. The film’s advertisement states: “Everything is there: key turning points in politics and military affairs, stories about heroes, inventions and discoveries of world significance. Residential scenes and happy moments, incredible power and tragedies of the historical
    scale. "
    At the same time, it is not even mentioned - in general - about Russia's participation in the 1 World War II. As if she had absolutely not touched Russia.
    Especially about its decisive role in the victory of the Entente over the Triple Alliance, concluded in the offensive of not yet mobilizing its army of Russia against Germany, which led to the disruption of the German plan to defeat the opponents, first on the western and then on the eastern front. This offensive strategically determined the outcome of the war, and further hostilities were merely delaying the inevitable final.
    And the presentation of the material itself is striking in its engagement: extremely negative and vicious judgments and statements about all the Russian figures shown in the film (with the exception of the restrained narration about Lenin, Gorbachev and Sakharov) at the full silence of the crimes of representatives of the West, including even Napoleon and Hitler.
    From this film it is clear that the West will never see in Russia an equal partner. He sees in us only a potential and very attractive sacrifice that should be robbed and turned into his eternal slave, but it hasn’t come out for thousands of years. What infuriates him.
    It is alarming that he still turned part of our people into his slaves. I mean the advanced Russian intelligentsia.
    All hope is for the working people and the servicemen. I hope that we pull out.
    1. svit55
      0
      December 13 2012
      And what about Europe to love us? How many times have they brought us "European civilization", and we, without understanding, without taste, without recognizing, wholeheartedly gave the Europeans pidjules. I remember, somewhere in the same year, in 1812, all of Europe gathered, but under the banner of the invincible Napoleon, yes 620 thousand !!!! In June they came, in December 20 thousand left, and even those because of our sluggishness. But they could not miss a single one.
      Not up to love here, brothers.
  16. Gorchakov
    0
    November 21, 2012
    Leontiev's article + ... And everything else h..nya !!!
  17. NICK
    +8
    November 21, 2012
    Magnitsky’s list is certainly not a bad thing. But our officials are such that they can bend so as not to fall under this list (up to the direct betrayal of the motherland). They will simply be blackmailed by this list. I wonder which of them will shout loudly - to hell with me this West! At first, they will shout loudly that this is a direct threat to Russian democracy, and then do not mutter clearly the symmetrical answer. And when it doesn’t work out (they’ll already) they will think how to specifically get around this list (keep silent, when necessary, make the right decision for someone, take care of purchasing Western weapons, for example, etc.). The American money hook is so fat that many are ready to sit on it for life, no matter what (honor, morality, love of the motherland (for them, the motherland is where they pay and they store the loot) even just elemental decency).
    The idea would be to equate the possession of assets in the West by civil servants and members of their families to treason, and to publish this law with us would be more sense.
    1. +2
      November 21, 2012
      Quote: NICK
      The idea would be to equate the possession of assets in the West by civil servants and members of their families to treason, and to publish this law with us would be more sense.

      And after the adoption of the Magnitsky law, ours will have to ban officials and deposits in state banks and parallel citizenship. Otherwise, the lever of influence is obtained.
      1. webdog
        +2
        November 21, 2012
        this is the lever for those who already have amers on the hook ...
        nifiga themselves with the loot thieves threw ...
        this is a disgrace ...
        I think that not all of the thieves are on the list, but someone is on the "hook"!
        and they scared: "if you touch human rights defenders (paid liberals), the list will expand ...
        let yourself a different place EXTEND. it will come in handy soon.
  18. 0
    November 21, 2012
    Mr. Leontiev may say the right words, but he doesn’t think so 100%. He is the voice of power. You can remember how he once praised Serdyukov. Allegedly he (Serdyukov) is an army cleaner. soldierCleaned .....
  19. 0
    November 21, 2012
    This mess can not continue indefinitely. So get ready for a war that will put an end to our civilization. And probably the planet is sterilized by radiation. So that such a microbe as humanity could no longer be reborn on planet Earth. Sincerely.
  20. +1
    November 21, 2012
    Ha ha ha Well done Leontyev!
  21. svit55
    0
    November 21, 2012
    More often they would write us such lists, even though we recognize our heroes during our lifetime. On the other hand, there is diplomatic practice: one was expelled, the other side is sending one. Make a "romney list" and include the same number of amers.
  22. zmey
    0
    December 12 2012
    Well, and not dick feed their economy and go on a visit !!!!!
    Let them go to KUBU or Venezuela!

    I'd love to look at this list, does it even exist ??? or is it another scarecrow-zavlikalyochka ????

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"