Communication problems in the Russian army

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Communication problems in the Russian army

As a child, I, like anyone who is fond of military history Soviet child, there was a “Book of Future Commanders”, which told about famous battles and famous commanders in a fascinating and picturesque way, starting from Alexander the Great and Hannibal, Napoleon and Suvorov, and ending with the victorious marshals in the Great Patriotic War.

But even then, reading about some battle on the Kalka, I wondered - how was the command carried out during the battle? Even to see what is happening at a distance of a couple of kilometers, especially if the troops raise clouds of dust, is almost impossible, not to mention the transmission of the order. Messenger only.



Later, I read opinions that the same Hannibal or Alexander the Great simply lined up an army for the battle, and after it began, nothing could be done.

On the other hand, the repeatedly mentioned false retreats and flank attacks of the nomads, especially the Mongols, suggest that this is simply impossible to do without operational control, and their means did not differ from those of the same Macedonian. But how this was done, I do not know.

Organization of command and control


This is where we turn to such an important thing as communications - for organizing command and control of troops, which is impossible without the exchange of information.

We will not go back to hoary antiquity, but at the very beginning of the First World War, Russian troops in Prussia suffered a terrible defeat precisely because of the lack of normal communication between the two armies, which made it impossible for joint actions.

The Second World War was in this regard even worse for the Red Army, to fight against the enemy, who had radio stations from every unit, where in tank and mechanized troops, there were special command tanks, the main weapons which was precisely the connection, it turned out to be very difficult.

One example is the introduction into battle in the summer of 1942 of three tank corps with a total strength of more than a thousand tanks. This blow was supposed to stop the German offensive "Blau" that had begun and seize the initiative from the enemy. And what is the result? Yes, almost nothing, again the corps were brought into battle one by one, the headquarters of the corps had no connection with the brigades, and those with each other and with higher headquarters, as a result, any orders were late, if at all. And the enemy had a complete picture, thanks to aerial reconnaissance and uninterrupted radio communications.

In the air, the situation was no better. Only by September 1942, fighters began to install radio stations on one hundred percent of the aircraft, but even then, on half of the machines, the radio station worked only for reception. I do not want to compare with the Germans at all.

But they learned, and by the end of the Great Patriotic War, the Red Army was able to use radio communications at almost all levels. But it never came to the possibility of calling heavy artillery fire directly from the front line, as was the case with the Americans.

And then, already in the Soviet Army, the elemental base seriously failed. Who dragged an army radio station along with a set of batteries on a hump knows what we are talking about. But still, in Afghanistan, and in Chechnya, communications ensured the interaction of troops in sufficient volume. The low intensity of hostilities and the number of troops involved made it possible to do this.

But in the war of 888, when speed decided a lot, communications again turned out to be not up to par. I'm sure many have seen footage of the general calling on the phone. And then it seemed that the problem would be solved. I myself thought so when I read about mobile army cells, which make it possible to deploy reliable digital communications over an area of ​​hundreds of square kilometers, about repeaters on drones, and footage from the exercises inspired optimism.

But here comes the NWO. And the insight began. What kind of network-centric war is there, where different units can exchange information in real time? There was often no communication within the groups. And the purchased Chinese radio stations show the horror of the situation.

I'm sure many have seen the recording from drone, where a Russian tank drives literally dozens of meters from the enemy, receives an RPG shell in the side, which, fortunately, ricochets. And all this time, the drone operator is trying to contact the tankers in some way to give information.

In general, again the same rake. There is no continuous communication system in the Russian army. Again.

Let's not talk about the enemy, so as not to become even sadder, let's remember a simple thing - civil communications. Surprisingly, mobile communications and the Internet in Russia are at the most advanced positions in the world, both in terms of speed and cost. At the same time, the territory of our country is not at all small. So why did it work for civilian structures, and not for the military?

I do not know the exact answer, but the most important factor is the lack of control over the armed forces by society. At least in the form of the same State Duma deputies. Where are the committees investigating the current situation, where are any conclusions and decisions? That's right, nowhere.

No one has answered and is not responsible for anything, and the problem is solved mainly by the forces of enthusiasts together with production structures.

So what to do?

I do not pretend to be the truth, but, apparently, we need a separate single military communications operator like the military Beeline or MTS, which will provide each soldier and each unit with reliable, secure, fast communications. And it is better if there are several of them, for competition.

Oh dreams, dreams...
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  1. +32
    14 March 2023 04: 40
    The author went deep. It's about the level of general culture. The society cannot nominate professionals for chiefs.

    Because it is communication in a broad sense, INTERACTION in it begins with the question: "Who are you from? Whose will you be?".... And in the West: "What can you do?"

    In a society with feudal relations, 99,9% work only to receive a signal, and 0.1% believe that this is how it should be. Well, why the hell should a colonel listen to what a lieutenant will say, he’s a colonel ?!
    1. +23
      14 March 2023 06: 54
      Society advances, only they are pushed back. System.
      “Dad, will I be a lieutenant?”
      - You will be a son.
      - A major?
      - You will be a son.
      “A colonel, how are you?”
      - You will be a son.
      “Will I be a general?”
      - No son ...
      - Why dad?
      - The general has his own children ...
      1. +13
        14 March 2023 08: 10
        Quote: not the one
        - The general has his own children ...

        This is an anecdote of the 1970s - only there the marshal and his grandchildren appeared.
        So nothing new - everything has long been known
        1. +9
          14 March 2023 12: 18
          ... There is no continuous communication system in the Russian army.

          —-Why is the issue of management so not at the forefront in Russia? Here is what Field Marshal Hrtstofor von Munnich said about "advantage" in ~ 1750:

          “The Russian state has the advantage over others that it is controlled directly by God himself, otherwise it is impossible to understand how it exists.” ... that's what they hope
        2. +5
          15 March 2023 17: 56
          Quote: your1970
          This is an anecdote of the 1970s - only there the marshal and his grandchildren appeared.
          So nothing new - everything has long been known

          Now the joke is even more relevant than in the 70s. Then there were still some social elevators (the same Gorbachev from combine operators, career growth and the star of Hero Grachev, Lebed's career growth for real merits in Afghanistan), now all this is tightly closed, it is only visible that the kids of high-ranking parents enter the posts - mediocrity.
          1. 0
            20 March 2023 21: 19
            Exactly. This is true. It has not been inherited yet, but it will be official soon. This would help the recognition of the monarchy in the country. With it, the right to transfer along the family line is just fixed. The monarchy and the oligarchs really need it. Still getting old. And the West showed them how their assets can be squeezed out. To prevent this from happening in Russia, they would be helped by a monarchy, in which it is not necessary to prove the right to property, it is enough to show evidence of family ties. Here we must not be stingy with the promotion of the project "forgive us, sir."
        3. +1
          17 March 2023 17: 34
          Well, in general, there are exceptions for capable and sycophants, but the system is like this, and not only here, but also in the West, though to a lesser extent.
    2. +9
      14 March 2023 16: 12
      Quote: ivan2022
      Because it is communication in a broad sense, INTERACTION in it begins with the question: "Who are you from? Whose will you be?".... And in the West: "What can you do?"

      Thank you, you understood very well what I wanted to say. We do not know how to interact in parallel to establish this parallel interaction between individual structures. If in civilian life this is still possible in many offices, then in the army there is no way. Hence the misunderstanding that these parallel communications are needed by the military.
      How can you imagine how it could be when each unit has its own identifier, with the help of which a connection is established between any piece. And now the drone operator easily warns the tank about the enemy, and information from a variety of structures, including those not directly subordinate, flows to the command.
      In my occupation, I often organize various projects where you need to quickly assemble a team and solve some problem. And you understand how quickly everything can be resolved when people directly communicate with each other and under your leadership, but do not coordinate every step.
      1. 0
        19 March 2023 07: 19
        The situation is very sad, but not hopeless. In such a huge clumsy system, change is possible not in the form of a global revolutionary change, but in the form of the dissemination of best practices.
        As soon as at least one positive working example appears, it can be transferred to the entire system.
        The main thing is not to hush up both problems and achievements.
  2. +20
    14 March 2023 05: 00
    the most important factor is the lack of control over the armed forces by society. At least in the form of the same State Duma deputies. Where are the committees investigating the current situation, where are any conclusions and decisions? That's right, nowhere.

    The deputies just want to get out of any criticism of our generals ...
    The professionalism of our generals can be judged by the results of the SVO ... unimportant, to put it mildly, I had an assessment of their readiness and ability to wage a modern-type war ... at the front, people who are motivated to win should be put in combat positions, and not parquet sycophants and petty tyrants in generals shoulder straps.
    It was necessary to take care of modern communications in the army even in the Chechen campaigns ... the lessons of the Chechen war did not benefit the generals of Russia ... there are no Suvorovs and Kutuzovs among them.
    Together with the mistakes of politicians, a protracted war has turned out ... now, as always, everything will have to be corrected during the military conflict.
    1. +1
      14 March 2023 07: 24
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      at the front, it is necessary to put people motivated to win in combat positions, and not parquet sycophants and petty tyrants in general's shoulder straps.

      Let it be in the past and the enemy, but the Nazi generals must be given their due. They did not have tyranny, they did not have marching field wives, they never insulted their subordinates.
      1. +5
        14 March 2023 08: 21
        but Hitler's generals must be given their due. They did not have tyranny, they did not have marching field wives, they never insulted their subordinates.
        Did you take it from their memoirs? The article is actually about communication, and not about the "morality image" of the Wehrmacht generals.
      2. -2
        14 March 2023 10: 30
        it was in the past and the enemy, but the Nazi generals must be given their due.

        And valiantly and honorably blew the war. We should have more such enemies.
        1. +15
          14 March 2023 19: 38
          people, now you really wish Russia SUCH (similar to the Wehrmacht in 1941) enemies .. ??? yes, we won, but .. what is the price .. how much lay in the ground so that we could learn (and we learned our mother from the Deutsches how to fight) .. and it took two (or rather all three) years to fight on an equal footing with their military machine and at first just survive and only then after a couple of years to surpass ... people spit over your left shoulder ... and knock on wood (mind you, I'm not talking about your smart one ...) ..
          py.sy .. and lastly .. in that WWII the USSR had allies (good or bad - a moot point) and like stew "second front" and Studebakers with aircobras and Al + high-octane gasoline .. yes and bombings '' flying fortresses '' willy-nilly lope-there (and believe me, there are quite a few) backlashes from the eastern front were pulled off .. and now the question is - what do we have with our allies in the NWO .. and that only real Iran with its UAVs and counting is cunning ..pardon the cunningly wise father as an ally or comrade Xi equal to Roosevelt ... one thing saves Banderlog (Pradon of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) further, not the Wehrmacht .. with which I congratulate you !!!
          1. 0
            19 March 2023 21: 21
            Banderlog is cooler than the Wehrmacht, only the cat wept for their resources. Otherwise, the front would have been under Orel. Although maybe then they would have started to fight in full force and not in a giveaway
        2. +2
          17 March 2023 17: 39
          You are right. The German army was the most organized and qualified. And what she lost was the loss of the German economy. The German army could not resist the economic power of the allies in terms of the production of military equipment and the number of soldiers.
    2. AUL
      +11
      14 March 2023 09: 25
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      ..at the front, it is necessary to put people motivated to win in combat positions, and not parquet sycophants and petty tyrants in general's shoulder straps.

      And this applies not only to the army. Unfortunately, this is a disease of our entire system of power.
      1. +12
        14 March 2023 11: 57
        Quote from AUL
        ...this is a disease of our entire system of power.

        I do not see, in principle, the difference between the questions "Who is to blame?" and "Who is living well in Rus'?".
  3. +22
    14 March 2023 05: 12
    The attitude to communications in our country and in the West can be compared with a simple example.

    In the West, during presidential elections, there are public debates between the incumbent president and the opposition, but we don’t seem to need them.
    Why should the Tsar answer the questions of the serfs? He is the King and it is simply not decent to ask him questions "on the forehead." Let the jesters on the TV show practice...

    Likewise in combat. The boss said in advance what to do - do it! What are those connections? There will be no order with communication, every lackey will speak out to the authorities, and they already know everything .....

    In our country, if the Tsar said that only galoshes were made in the USSR, then it seemed to be so. And in the West they would easily show that "the king is naked."
    1. +15
      14 March 2023 05: 19
      Quote: ivan2022
      in the USSR only galoshes were made
      And this device works "on other physical principles"!
      1. +5
        14 March 2023 19: 40
        and THIS is what .. it seems like a field telephone .. even something tells TA-57 ... I saw such people at the NVP at school .. THIS is it .. no ??
        1. +2
          15 March 2023 01: 06
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          TA-57

          In common parlance - "Tashka" hi
    2. +13
      14 March 2023 05: 29
      Quote: ivan2022
      In our country, if the Tsar said that only galoshes were made in the USSR, then it seemed to be so. And in the West they would easily show that "the king is naked

      The king can say whatever he wants ... but you can’t cancel reality. smile
      And the people feel it in their own skin ...
      and when this skin ends, then all the problems from the people pass to the skin of the king ... he should have realized this simple truth.
      Nicholas 2 ended poorly precisely because of his short-sightedness and softness, but he could, like Peter 1, raise the country to a new level.
      It is vital for our country to raise its technological level to a higher level and not count on the help of China, the EU, the USA in this... on our own... all on our own... no one will help us, not God, nor the Tsar, nor a hero.
      1. -2
        14 March 2023 08: 07
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Nicholas 2 ended poorly precisely because of his short-sightedness and softness, but he could, like Peter 1, raise the country to a new level.

        Considering that the country developed under those rulers (Grozny, Peter, Ekaterina, Stalin) under which ordinary citizens were very rotten, and the boyars were occasionally executed, such prospects strain me a little
        1. +4
          14 March 2023 08: 59
          Quote: your1970
          in which ordinary citizens were very rotten, and the boyars were occasionally executed - something like this prospects strains me a little

          smile I agree with you ... it also annoys me ... but I don’t see another way out without bloodshed.
          Our society itself abandoned the USSR, allowing liberals and scammers to destroy it ... now we have what we have.
          1. +5
            14 March 2023 12: 29
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Our society itself abandoned the USSR, allowing liberals and scammers to destroy it ...

            Brad! Society is not an independent entity, it, like everything else in people's lives, is formed on certain foundations, or, if you like, ideas. What is the pop - such is the arrival! Where the nobles go, there the laity go. Nobles with priests got ugly and society rushed there for clothes. Without a king in my head and a bunch of foreign cars in the alley - paradise! And plunder your own country and tear it apart! How is it in Their plans: "We will quietly replace their values ​​with false ones. We will make them believe in these values. Episode after episode, the tragedy of the death of the most recalcitrant people on Earth will be played out in its scale." And of course, the bet is on youth, the education of cosmopolitans, Ivanov who does not remember kinship. This is such a society! Is it by itself? Rave!!!
            Ideas and aspirations are formed, brought up, inculcated from childhood. They fight for them, they die. A healthy idea is the bond of society, a rotten idea is decay and death!
        2. -2
          14 March 2023 10: 12
          Considering that the country developed under those rulers (Grozny, Peter, Ekaterina, Stalin) under which ordinary citizens were very rotten, and the boyars were occasionally executed, such prospects strain me a little

          So now it is also possible to raise the country in the technological sense of the word, although not much, but it is possible.
          1) Stop investing in sports
          2) Stop building new ones (circus / dolphinarium / zoos)
          3) Stop building expensive skyscrapers and luxury buildings
          On the contrary, it is necessary to build simpler (and correspondingly cheaper) as in the USSR
          Did they build such expensive buildings (skyscrapers ...) in the USSR as they do now in MSC?
          4) Prohibit the withdrawal of money abroad
          5) Stop paying money to unnecessary organizations (WHO, IMF, PABSEC ...)
          Only 5 points and without doing anything money appears.
          Well, this money is for the development of microelectronics.
          1. +8
            14 March 2023 12: 15
            Do you think that if the money allocated now does not turn into products and services, then allocating more will work out? It's not about money, but about who spends (or collects) it and how.
            1. +3
              15 March 2023 10: 44
              Do you think that if the money allocated now does not turn into products and services, then allocating more will work out?

              I think that in order of priority in the first place should be:
              1) Microelectronics
              Then
              2) everything else
              It's not about money, but about who spends (or collects) it and how.

              Just in money

              Just compare US and Russian investment in microelectronics

              RF:
              https://3dnews.ru/1054237/publikatsiya-1054237
              The Ministry of Industry and Trade allocated 5,7 billion rubles for the creation of domestic equipment for the production of chips


              USA: Plans to invest in miroelectronics Investments >324 billion
              https://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/59484-naglyadnyy-primer-kak-ssha-vozrozhdayut-svoe-proizvodstvo-mikroelektroniki/#a02_59484

              Texas Instruments will invest $30 billion to build two factories in Texas, which will start producing the first products as early as 2025. The company plans to expand the number of factories to 4, thereby providing up to 3000 new jobs.

              Samsung Foundry plans to allocate $17 billion to build a semiconductor plant in Texas. The manufacturer has already begun laying the foundation for the future building, putting the factory into operation in 2024. Technological process - 3 nm.

              Intel - plans to build a mega-factory in Ohio within 10 years, which will occupy up to 400 hectares of area. Investments will amount to 100 billion dollars
              Thus, Intel will provide work for at least 3000 people, and will attract up to 7000 builders to build a factory.

              GlobalFoundries will spend up to $15 billion to build new factories in New York State. The money will go not only to the construction of production facilities, but also to the construction of new roads and interchanges. Rumor has it that Apple may be among the company's customers.

              TSMC - next year the company will build a new plant in Arizona for the manufacture of 5 nm chips. The launch of the factory is scheduled for 2024.

              SK Hynix - In 2023, the brand intends to start building a new facility in the US with plans to start mass production of chips in 2025. The company will provide up to 1000 new jobs.
              1. +3
                15 March 2023 11: 07
                Just compare US and Russian investment in microelectronics

                There are no "US investments", there are investments of private legal entities. You can immediately look at the capitalization and annual profit of listed companies and find market participants with such indicators. On clothes - stretch your legs. It is necessary to work, it is necessary to develop, but miracles should not be expected.
              2. 0
                19 March 2023 07: 30
                I support. This is called prioritization.
                If demagogues prioritize bacchanalia, dionysia, Olympia, gladiatorial games, distribution of free bread and triumphs as priorities in society, then society decays, and the barbarians conquer the empire.
                So it is necessary not to demand bread and circuses, but to set development goals.
                1. +1
                  19 March 2023 09: 31
                  This is called prioritization.

                  Absolutely.
                  and set development goals.

                  That's right.
              3. 0
                19 March 2023 21: 28
                It is they who generally want to steal all the main production of microelectronics to themselves. And in the rest of the world, microelectronics is strangled. Therefore, such investments
          2. +12
            14 March 2023 14: 59
            It is necessary to invest in sports. Only in mass sports, DYUSSH. In our area, for example, two football coaches lost their jobs. They worked from Krasnodar. Galitsky fell under sanctions and the football school was closed. work rate. Now he trains kids. Yes, and why can’t new circuses and zoos be built? How do they interfere with the development of society?
            1. +1
              15 March 2023 10: 40
              Yes, and why it is impossible to build new circuses, zoos? How do they interfere with the development of society?

              When you have a microelectronic industry at zero, then first of all you need to develop it, and then develop entertainment (circuses, zoos, etc.)
              Strongly now sports help? Or maybe the circus is helping? Not?
              Is it possible to create UAVs thanks to sports?
              Then what are we talking about?
          3. +1
            16 March 2023 13: 25
            Under Stalin, famous skyscrapers were built, the leader understood that there should be at least a few high-rise buildings in the capital of a great power. Builders friends claim that it is more profitable to build sixteen-story and nineteen-story houses (although now they are not considered skyscrapers) than nine-story and five-story buildings. By the way, both circuses and zoos were also built in Stalin's times. Returning to the times of the USSR, it is worth noting that Khrushchev called for easier and cheaper construction. Although this also had its own logic, it was necessary to solve the housing issue. By the way, a bit off topic. Now many are sure that all citizens in Stalin's times, except for those who lived in the private sector, lived in communal apartments. This is not so, houses were also built in which there were separate apartments. And not only nomenclature workers lived in them. Although there were, of course, much fewer such houses with such apartments than houses with communal apartments.
        3. +12
          14 March 2023 10: 35
          the country developed under those rulers (Grozny, Peter, Ekaterina, Stalin) under which ordinary citizens were very rotten, and the boyars were occasionally executed

          Paradox. The common people respect all these figures, but hate leaders of all stripes. The royal elite did not put Terrible on the monument to the baptism of Rus', Catherine is presented as a lover of men, Stalin was generally spat upon.
          It seems that the authorities are trying to denigrate the most effective and respected by the people rulers.
          But they are trying to make an icon out of Nicholas the 2nd, but he is not popular among the people, although he was recognized as a saint.
          1. +1
            14 March 2023 18: 51
            Paradox. The common people respect all the listed figures, and the leaders of all stripes hate them.

            And they didn’t see anything else ... pity and kindness in our country are signs of weakness, they come and hate them.
          2. +2
            14 March 2023 23: 21
            Quote: glory1974
            Paradox. The common people respect all the listed figures, and the leaders of all stripes hate

            There is no paradox - nowhere in the world is there such a quantity of chanson as we have. That's why "The authorities punished !!!" and it doesn’t matter that he may have killed his own mother ..
            All over the world, the merchant is good - "Deceived a neighbor and sold him goods!" and God forbid to deceive the state
            We have a merchant, obviously a skin, because he deceives a neighbor and well done when he cheats with taxes "Well done! The state has deceived!"
            Strictly opposite
            So it is with dictators - it doesn’t matter that he drove and stained the serfs, the main thing is that he put the master on a stake ..
            But here the main thing is not to overdo it - otherwise it will be "The master suffered from power. It's a pity for him ..."
          3. +1
            16 March 2023 13: 33
            Catherine the Second is still somewhere in the middle. Some part of the common people even got better with her. After all, most of the townspeople are ordinary people. And they began to live better under this empress. Ordinary people are not only landlord peasants. It must also be understood that the increase in noble liberties and privileges did not at all mean that the position of the peasants automatically worsened for all landowners. By the way, the position of serfs was best of all among the richest and most noble nobles, and worst of all among small landed nobles.
          4. +1
            16 March 2023 13: 41
            A monument not to the baptism of Rus', but to the millennium of Russia. However, not only the Terrible, but also several Moscow grand dukes are gone, and most of the emperors and empresses, including Anna Ioannovna and Elizaveta Petrovna, who have been in power for quite a long time, are also missing. No Paul the First. But there are Lithuanian princes, members of the Chosen Rada under Ivan the Terrible, and even Marfa Posadnitsa, who opposed the entry of Novgorod into a single state.
        4. +1
          14 March 2023 19: 43
          well, Peter I (aka the Great) and even Ivan the Terrible (yeah, nicknamed Vasilyevich by his contemporaries for his severity) won’t be particularly spoiled .. an aristo flew in (who specifically mowed like that) except that Menshikov got off with a massacre from ''min hertz'' ...
          1. +2
            15 March 2023 12: 09
            That is precisely why they could not defeat corruption - in addition to Menshikov, Peter had other "favorites", and these had their own "favorites" and so on. But if he had executed Menshikov or sent him to Siberia, you would have looked at Peter, and not Lee Kuan Yew, they quoted: "start by jailing three of your friends: you know why, and they know why." Not severity is important, but inevitability.
            1. 0
              16 March 2023 13: 47
              Lee Kuan Yew created such a semi-fascist regime in Singapore that sometimes you wonder: "Is such an order, brought to the point of absurdity, necessary?" Although, perhaps, it corresponds to the mentality of the Chinese, who make up the majority of the population of this country.
      2. +7
        14 March 2023 09: 29
        Galoshes, royal hashes, but now we "produce everything": "from civilian aircraft 100 pieces a month, and 1500 armats." And honestly, it's all sad and sad. we will see what our command will oppose to this.
      3. 0
        14 March 2023 18: 40
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Nicholas 2 ended poorly precisely because of his short-sightedness and softness, but he could, like Peter 1, raise the country to a new level.

        Rather, like other emperors, to rest in a Bose from hemorrhoidal colic with a fork or apoplexy with a snuffbox. The surname was well fed in the current situation, so it was like a sickle in one place to change anything.
    3. +17
      14 March 2023 05: 36
      Why should the Tsar answer the questions of the serfs?
      "You are slandering our family. It's a sin" (c). The Tsar, annually online, received complaints from the population, according to the Constitution, also annually, he sends .... messages to the Federal Assembly, right in front of everyone, live . And it’s probably very good that Russia doesn’t make galoshes now. True, she doesn’t produce “slates” either, judging by the problems raised in the article. But, how many foreign cars are in the yards, sausages and toilet paper in stores. smile
      1. -2
        14 March 2023 05: 46
        Quote: parusnik
        how many foreign cars, in the yards, sausages and toilet paper in stores.

        It's sacred ... smile
        But in general, we still need to learn and not lose the sacred and observe the state interests. The Americans succeed in this ... which means we should succeed.
        1. +9
          14 March 2023 05: 57
          and do not lose the sacred and observe the state interests.

          "- You give unrealistic plans!
          - This is, like him, voluntarism! "(C)
          1. +9
            14 March 2023 06: 20
            Quote: parusnik
            , voluntarism!

            In my house - do not express yourself! feel
      2. 0
        14 March 2023 21: 26
        The king, annually online, received complaints from the population, according to the Constitution
        + + + + + + + +
        Yeah. I will never forget the question: will there be normal roads? And the answer.
        - Why did you buy a car if there are no roads?
        The finish.
        1. +1
          16 March 2023 13: 49
          But, objectively speaking, in most regions the roads are now better than in Soviet times.
    4. +2
      14 March 2023 11: 16
      In our country, if the Tsar said that only galoshes were made in the USSR
      Well, after all, he knew perfectly well (when he said this) that this was not so, but why did he say the same thing?
      And there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this.
    5. +4
      14 March 2023 11: 37
      Quote: ivan2022
      In our country, if the Tsar said that only galoshes were made in the USSR, then it seemed to be so. And in the West they would easily show that "the king is naked."

      In the West, they would simply listen to the performance in full. And they took the first paragraph from us, which referred to Soviet consumer goods, and began to wag it. Clip thinking, what is there - the speech is longer than a minute for many already multibucaff, niasilil.
      Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.

      We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.

      From the audience: ... And the first satellite.

      Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.

      But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
      1. +1
        14 March 2023 12: 51
        And they took the first paragraph from us, referring to Soviet consumer goods, and began to wag it
        That's right, "galoshes" meant consumer goods.
        It was about the one-sidedness of our Russian economy, which inherited this one-sidedness from the USSR - that's right.
        Another thing is that the Russian economy also inherited from the USSR its scientific and technical base, which, unfortunately, could not survive (at least not all) in a market economy.
        ---
        And yes, the phrase about "galoshes" was simply taken out of context (moreover, this was clearly done on purpose - you never know all sorts of "Olga" trolls) and began to serve to discredit Putin.
        1. +1
          14 March 2023 21: 38
          + + + + + + + + + +
          Another thing is that the Russian economy also inherited from the USSR its scientific and technical base, which, unfortunately, could not survive (at least not all) in a market economy.


          + + + + + + + + + +
          + + + + + + + +
          --- There is nothing left. Current engineers differ from the eight-year-olds not at best
          Example:
          I collect relay protection for 10kv, a cell. Scheme "home-grown sir engineer" I immediately said - THIS will not work. They answered me, collect exactly according to the scheme and do not worry. Well, I can't do that. Corrected, redid, rechecked. The cell went to the North. I know for sure that it will work. And if only I did as the "master" said.?????
          1. +1
            14 March 2023 23: 26
            Quote: Grim Reaper
            "homegrown sir engineer"
            and what has changed?? in the 1970s they said exactly the same "Now forget what you were taught at your institute and listen here ..¥£¥.!!!!"
            Not this way?
      2. +3
        14 March 2023 22: 25
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

        Maybe Putin had a solid import at home, but apart from cassettes and a few rags, I didn’t have it. Everything was ours, domestic, until the year 1994.
        1. +2
          15 March 2023 10: 13
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Maybe Putin had a solid import at home, but I didn’t have it, except for cassettes and a few rags

          And you remember the symbols of prosperity in the USSR. From domestic - a car, books and cognac. The rest is CMEA or distant foreign countries (who are lucky). German wall, German wallpaper and paint, Czech crystal, Yugoslav or Hungarian shoes and clothes ... It was easier for my mother to sew or knit clothes than to buy in a store - a whole section of the wall was crammed with randomly obtained fabrics and threads.
          Oh yes, and do not forget that good things were not bought in the USSR - they got.
          1. 0
            15 March 2023 11: 41
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The rest is CMEA or distant foreign countries (who are lucky). German wall, German wallpaper and paint, Czech crystal, Yugoslav or Hungarian shoes and clothes...

            Under the collapse of the USSR, my father was given an apartment of four. We moved from a single room to a fully furnished one. And I repeat, absolutely everything was domestic. From sockets and lighting switches, to TVs, from wallpaper to a pink toilet and a gas stove. And the clothes of the fashionista, yes, they knitted, my sister constantly knitted something. By the way, they didn’t get the first color TV, but just went and bought it in the winter, either at the end of the 84th, or at the beginning of the 85th. And he was really good, in 9 years he broke down once, compared with Sharpe, which he bought in the 94th, did not see any difference in the show. And personally, no symbols bothered me.
          2. 0
            16 March 2023 13: 55
            I remember a Romanian-made wardrobe bought by my parents, which, by the way, is of very good quality. Moreover, judging by the documentation, it was not produced at a state-owned enterprise, but by some kind of Romanian production cooperative.
      3. 0
        15 March 2023 11: 14
        And even if completely, though not completely, the president's message does not change and does not become more truthful. It would be truer if Russia exported more consumer goods than the USSR. It doesn't matter if they are Africans or not. But it doesn't export anymore. Even Africans. Not to mention the comparison of exports of consumer goods from the USSR and Russia to the countries of Western Europe.
    6. -1
      14 March 2023 15: 52
      Exactly, and with the elections we are bad, and with glasnost. And that's why everything is so good in the "West" - whatever the ruler, then - the eagle, that Biden, that Scholz, that Macron. Whether business our Putin.
    7. +4
      14 March 2023 20: 02
      Debates with the opposition are underway, but the Bidens are chosen ...
    8. +1
      17 March 2023 17: 42
      Western democracy is also different. Who did the Americans choose in the elections? See for yourself: the president has no brains, the vice president has no mind. People are being fooled on TV to such an extent that they can choose Nelson Madeila, who has long been dead.
    9. 0
      18 March 2023 16: 36
      Quote: ivan2022
      The attitude to communications in our country and in the West can be compared with a simple example.

      In the West, during presidential elections, there are public debates between the incumbent president and the opposition, but we don’t seem to need them.
      Why should the Tsar answer the questions of the serfs? He is the King and it is simply not decent to ask him questions "on the forehead." Let the jesters on the TV show practice...

      The white master is doing better, right? A good attitude towards the opposition in the West is when the ARMY disperses the demonstrators? Or when there is no DIRECT voting? Maybe it’s enough to drive propaganda already - it’s no longer a secret WHAT is in the West, and what is in the East - everything could be watched live or online.

      This is not to mention the fact that the article is about COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS, and not POLITICS. But for some, everything is according to the principle, who is talking about what, and lousy about the bath. But what to do if some just have a slave mentality.
  4. +3
    14 March 2023 07: 05
    The first // but even then, on half of the machines, the radio station worked only for reception // these were not radio stations, but receivers. Kuznetsov recalls this in his memoirs. Secondly, the military network is not a panacea, the duty of the signalman is to combine any networks and possibilities to establish communication.
  5. +19
    14 March 2023 07: 09
    And how many pre-war stories about the network-centric war, for which Russia is more than completely ready. About Ratnik kits and much more.
    Yes, for show we are confidently ahead of the rest. We will win the championship in this sport by one wicket.
    1. +15
      14 March 2023 07: 41
      And how many pre-war stories about the network-centric war

      Our favorite keywords are "under development" and "will be launched / delivered to the troops / will begin to be produced ..." and sometime farther in the future. Future Indefinite Tense, it's just amazing that the "future indefinite tense" was not officially included in the Russian language.
      1. 0
        17 March 2023 17: 48
        I evaluate the statements of these keywords as follows:
        Indicators: being developed - this means that it is not known when it will be; will be put into production, put into service - in 5-10 years; serial production started: in 1 - 3 years.
    2. +2
      14 March 2023 08: 03
      Quote from doc_i
      And how many stories were pre-war

      And the then Armata - high-tech T-35 drove around Red Square.
      And "Little blood in foreign territory"
      "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast"
      And so on
      And then the Wehrmacht arrived on T1 armored cars and after 5 months was already near Moscow
      Quote from doc_i
      Yes, for show we are confidently ahead of the rest.

      Even under the kings, even under the general secretaries, even under the presidents
      1. -2
        14 March 2023 09: 07
        high-tech T-35

        Where did you see high-tech in the T-35?
        1. +5
          14 March 2023 11: 49
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          high-tech T-35

          Where did you see high-tech in the T-35?

          And that's not high-tech lol ? He was exhibited precisely as "mighty and invincible power" - against the background of T1 and others

          And yes - no matter how anecdotal it sounds - but the tanks from the beginning of the Second World War were the newest - they were only 10 years old at most. And our current tanks are mostly 30 years old

          I understand about "childhood illnesses", "problems with communications", the mediocrity of the fathers of the commanders - but the lack of real superiority of their tanks over ours (except for communications) and the complete defeat infuriates me ..
          1. +3
            14 March 2023 15: 08
            Quote: your1970
            And yes - no matter how anecdotal it sounds, but the tanks from the beginning of the Second World War were the newest - they were only 10 years old at most.

            10 years for a tank at the beginning of the tank era is a generation, or even two. This later development slowed down.
            A ten-year-old tank in 1941 is a two-machine-gun T-26, worn out in the trash, spare parts for which NKVD you will not find fire. Against the "deuce" or "Czech". In short, T-55 versus T-80.
            Quote: your1970
            And our current tanks are in the mass 30 years old

            The costs of peacetime and a unipolar world. smile
            Most tank manufacturers have them like this - basic samples of the Cold War with a long alphanumeric modification trail.
            1. +1
              14 March 2023 15: 17
              Quote: Alexey RA
              10 years for a tank at the beginning of the tank era is a generation, or even two. This later development slowed down.

              Tanks are still okay, it used to be the same with battleships.
              Quote: Alexey RA
              The costs of peacetime and a unipolar world

              Only someone had Sevastopol, someone had Hood, Nagato and Colorado.
              1. +2
                14 March 2023 18: 10
                Quote: Negro
                Tanks are still okay, it used to be the same with battleships.

                It was worse with battleships: there, a delay of five years already threw them into outsiders. While some were commissioning the first generation dreadnoughts, others had already launched the second generation of superdreadnoughts and handed them over to the fleet. wink
                Quote: Negro
                Only someone had Sevastopol, someone had Hood, Nagato and Colorado.

                Damn Vader genes Damn tsarism is to blame for everything! laughing
          2. 0
            15 March 2023 10: 38
            And that's not high-tech

            No. There is nothing in the design and manufacturing technology that, in comparison with other tanks, can be considered "using the high technologies of the 1930s."
            It was presented exactly as

            Demonstrations to the public of tanks of the transitional period of the Wunderwaffe category are common practice both for the French with FCM 2C, and for the British with A1E1, not to mention the German Nb.Fz., It is Nb.Fz (for which a whole propaganda machine was launched), and not T -1, was the background for the T-35. Despite the fact that it appeared later than our "monster".
            And yes - no matter how anecdotal it sounds, but the tanks from the beginning of the Second World War were the newest - they were only 10 years old at most.

            I have nothing to add to what Alexey wrote above on this subject.
            but the lack of real superiority of their tanks over ours (except for communications) and the complete defeat infuriates me ..

            Military success or failure is always a combination of more than one factor. recourse
    3. 0
      18 March 2023 16: 40
      Quote from doc_i
      And how many pre-war stories about the network-centric war, for which Russia is more than completely ready. About Ratnik kits and much more.

      Objectively, for a local war, it was possible to show the secentric. This is exactly what they showed in Syria. In the same place, the warriors used and their elements were actively used. Another thing is that a conflict of such a magnitude as NBO is several times greater than any local area.
  6. +9
    14 March 2023 07: 54
    Articles must be entered by execution, then the connection will appear. And they will not do "cheap biathlons", but radio stations. Otherwise, green on the forehead.
    1. +1
      14 March 2023 21: 18
      Articles must be entered by firing squad

      There is no one ... "There are no others, and those are far away" ...
    2. -1
      14 March 2023 22: 15
      Articles must be entered by firing squad, then the connection will appear

      Don't be stupid. We had a shooting era. And what is the result? Part of the country was built on bones, and in some high-rise buildings the amenities on the street are still there. Or take our auto industry as an example.
      Who will shoot and whom? The heroes of the occasion will not go to the wall themselves. Moreover, some will have more administrative resources than you and I. And the next question. And who are the judges?
      Forgotten? Punish the innocent! Encourage the uninvolved!
      1. +1
        15 March 2023 09: 54
        And what was wrong with the auto industry in the "execution" era?
        1. -4
          15 March 2023 13: 36
          Yes, the same as now, subsidized, not competitive, not of high quality and reliability compared to Western competitors, in fact, Stalin himself said that without American engines we would have lost the war.
          1. 0
            15 March 2023 13: 50
            subsidized

            Is there anything to confirm?
            not competitive

            What specific indicators?
            in fact, Stalin himself said that without American engines we would have lost the war.

            These words are not about comparing the auto industry of the two countries
            PS The auto industry in the "execution" era was just beginning its formation as a branch of the national economy. Therefore, comparing it with the already established auto industry of another country is nothing more than a sketch of substance.
            1. -2
              15 March 2023 16: 13
              Therefore, comparing it with the already established auto industry of another country is nothing more than a sketch of substance.


              No draft, even what was formed in the USSR during the firing period, could compete with the Western auto industry, and the problem was at the most fundamental level, the motivation of the Western manufacturer to make a better car for the consumer in order to bypass the competitor and sell more cars and, accordingly, make a profit, the motivation was completely different.
              1. 0
                15 March 2023 16: 45
                even what was formed in the USSR during the shooting period could not compete with the Western auto industry

                Again, twenty-five - you are comparing the country's auto industry in the period in which it has not yet become a branch of the national economy, with the auto industry of the country in which it has become.
                You forgot to report on what specific indicators it is not competitive. And it is also highly desirable to explain why you reduce the world market to the market of Western countries.
                to make a better car for the consumer in order to beat the competitor and sell more cars and, accordingly, make a profit

                kindergarten pants with straps. What is the "best car"? Spherical horse in vacuum. At a minimum, it is necessary to compare within the same price category.
                1. -2
                  15 March 2023 19: 19
                  You forgot to report on what specific indicators it is not competitive.


                  Price, reliability, comfort, service life

                  At a minimum, it is necessary to compare within the same price category.


                  Of course, according to this criterion, the Soviet auto industry also lost to the Western one.
                  1. +1
                    16 March 2023 10: 38
                    Price, reliability, comfort, service life

                    You didn't name a single specific indicator.
                    Of course, according to this criterion, the Soviet auto industry also lost to the Western one.

                    Can you support your point of view with a specific example?
          2. 0
            15 March 2023 15: 30
            Quote from Fabrizio
            and the same as now, subsidized, not competitive, not of high quality and reliability compared to Western competitors,

            The victory went quite well for export.
            1. -1
              15 March 2023 16: 09
              Not bad, this is a very abstract criterion, and now Niva is in some demand even in Italy.
              1. +2
                15 March 2023 18: 58
                Quote from Fabrizio
                Not bad, this is a very abstract criterion, and now Niva is in some demand even in Italy.

                Well, there is nothing about the uncompetitiveness of the bay.
                1. -1
                  15 March 2023 19: 20
                  So Niva is not competitive, therefore, sales are within a thousand.
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2023 20: 02
                    Quote from Fabrizio
                    So Niva is not competitive, therefore, sales are within a thousand.

                    This Niva is almost 50 years old. For 30 years of capitalism, they could have done better than to stamp Prusov's product.
        2. 0
          17 March 2023 17: 51
          And where did you see our auto industry in the execution era? It is all built on an American basis.
  7. +4
    14 March 2023 07: 55
    So what to do?.....Oh, dreams, dreams...
    "Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness? Dreams are gone, disgusting remains" (c)
  8. +2
    14 March 2023 09: 50
    No one has answered and is not responsible for anything, and the problem is solved mainly by the forces of enthusiasts together with production structures. So what to do?
    Apparently, Stalin and Beria knew some secret once they were able to make an atomic bomb and a bomber for it (they copied it from the Americans). What is stopping us, but not to shoot anyone around us in responsible places.
    1. +1
      16 March 2023 14: 20
      Still, the second half of the 40s-early 50s cannot be called the era of mass executions. What is there to hear? The Leningrad case, the case of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee with the executions of dozens of people. There were also the "Mingrelian case", the "case of doctors", but they did not reach the point of executions, they were stopped immediately after Stalin's death. There was a "case of aviators", everything for the vast majority of participants there cost imprisonment, and not on political grounds. Many were released during Stalin's lifetime. Only Air Marshal Khudyakov, who was sentenced to death, was unlucky. Plus repression against a number of generals. There were also "cases" and processes. But, in general, the number of executions was ten times less than in 1937-1938.
    2. 0
      18 March 2023 16: 44
      Quote: Alex66
      Apparently, Stalin and Beria knew some secret once they were able to make an atomic bomb and a bomber for it (they copied it from the Americans). What is stopping us, but not to shoot anyone around us in responsible places.

      Well, how many executions were there under Stalin and on the initiative of Beria before the age of 41 and after 45? :)
  9. +5
    14 March 2023 10: 12
    What State Duma? Look at those who wipe their pants and skirts there. Well, at least in recent years the hall has been filled. And one in ten does not run around with cards when voting. But, nothing has changed much from this. He came, did time, watched football on the tablet ... And to the hut - "Darling (darling). Today we plowed. We accepted as many as 100 bills for consideration. And tomorrow !!!"
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 21: 31

      Vladimir Semenovich did not even suspect about his prophecy...
  10. +3
    14 March 2023 10: 55
    "Surprisingly, mobile communications and the Internet in Russia are at the most advanced positions in the world, both in terms of speed and cost" - there should be no surprise. First, it is extremely important for our government to keep citizens under the maximum possible control for the government. It is important to know their moods, way of thinking, algorithms of actions in various situations. This is the only way to manage shirnaramasses. Hence, inexpensive phones, Internet, good speeds and coverage. Motto: Every citizen has a personal beacon. And with free social media services...
    And secondly, technically it is no longer so difficult to do - since all the equipment for the construction of SPD (data transmission networks) is imported, it was bought for foreign currency. The popularity of professions in the field of IT is also high. That, in fact, is the whole explanation. In conclusion, I will point out a fact that is widely known in narrow circles: in the toilets of all organizations, shopping centers and other similar establishments, hidden video monitoring must be equipped.
    1. 0
      14 March 2023 22: 06
      toilets of all organizations, shopping centers and other similar establishments must be equipped with hidden video monitoring.

      ******
      Oops.....
    2. 0
      14 March 2023 23: 34
      Quote: Daniel Mikheev
      First, it is extremely important for our government to keep citizens under the maximum possible control for the government. It is important to know their moods, way of thinking, algorithms of actions in various situations. This is the only way to manage shirnaramasses.

      But the damned capitalists don’t need this, or what ??? Wow th ....
      They mean people are free, not digitized, but we have shirnarmasses ????
  11. +4
    14 March 2023 11: 33
    But in the war of 888, when speed decided a lot, communications again turned out to be not up to par. I'm sure many have seen footage of the general calling on the phone.

    At the conference at the Academy of Communications on the results of 08.08.08 it was stated that it was not a reel...
    Communication was deployed as far as it was possible with the available materiel and personnel. The problem was that the commanders did not know how to use it. For many years, communications at combined arms exercises were deployed conditionally, but in fact the commanders communicated by mobile phones. So in a combat situation, they simply switched to the usual connection.
    "He has several networks deployed, and he talks on his mobile phone". © sad
  12. +7
    14 March 2023 11: 48
    I do not pretend to be the truth, but, apparently, we need a separate single military communications operator like the military Beeline or MTS, which will provide each soldier and each unit with reliable, secure, fast communications. And it is better if there are several of them, for competition.

    Or maybe not invent new entities - but simply purchase a complete communication system that is already in service?
    I emphasize - complete. And not like now, when out of the entire system the troops massively have only terminal devices - portable radios with a range of about 2,5 km, on the basis of which the personnel builds a crutch communication network using the auxiliary relay function.
    According to Murza, at the end of 2022, the army had the following stump from a full-fledged communication system:

    ... a monstrous dummy, which is devoid of a base, devoid of a powerful network of repeaters and HF stations, devoid of radio stations integrated into tank intercoms (TPU or AVSK, as they became fashionably called). All the equipment necessary for the full operation of the system was developed, developed by techies-manufacturers “on their own initiative”, and even sold for export, but is not supplied to the Russian army!
    1. +2
      14 March 2023 16: 53
      Quote: Alexey RA
      maybe not invent new entities - but simply purchase a complete communication system that is already in service?
      I emphasize - complete. And not like now, when out of the entire system in the troops there are massively only terminal devices - portable radios with a range of about 2,5 km, on the basis of which the personnel builds a crutch-like communication network using the auxiliary relay function

      Maybe. Or maybe shoot someone who answers why the troops do not have this. But there is a hodgepodge of different radio stations that sometimes don’t even have standard antennas where you have to make them from a coaxial cable
      1. +4
        14 March 2023 18: 51
        Quote: certero
        But there is a hodgepodge of different radio stations that sometimes don’t even have standard antennas where you have to make them from a coaxial cable

        Well, the problem with antennas is not only because they are not purchased, but also due to the fact that end users of radio stations, by misuse, kill antennas and connectors in a time frame not provided for by any manuals and instructions.
        Secondly, antennas. The antenna of this portable device under the discussed operating range is a long “whip”. And, it has been proven by practice that it is absolutely impossible to force “real military professionals” not to carry the radio station by the antenna, swinging it like a pendulum, not to whip negligent subordinates with all their might on the behinds of this antenna and not to drive flies away from themselves with this antenna, apparently, something aware of their true military professionalism. Therefore, in the army, the antenna connector loosens very quickly and breaks off the board according to the motto "What will this connector do? IT'S IRON!"

        The bottom line is that a radio station with a formally attached antenna actually works without it, and while the user is yelling at the station for a long time, trying to shout to someone, he quickly burns the station's output stage. The station goes out of order, but, of course, it continues to turn on. "The numbers on the screen light up."
        ©"slanderer and slander"© Murz
      2. 0
        14 March 2023 22: 30
        Why immediately shoot and waste ammunition at all? Negative feedback is used in communication devices. It greatly helps to stabilize the operation of the device and prevent the system from going haywire. In our case, start the OOS loop from the bottom up. There to the very top.
        Send down to the front line our tops and their offspring. For the company to send them the leadership and bosses of the companies of developers and suppliers of communications equipment for the army.
        And here I'm not kidding and not humorous. All this was available for centuries in the Russian Army. When military service to the tsar and the fatherland for the nobility and courtiers was not something shameful and was an obligation. And in the event of war, the children of nobles did not rush at full sail to a quiet place for a cardon.
      3. 0
        14 March 2023 23: 37
        Quote: certero
        Or maybe shoot someone who answers why the troops don’t have this

        It’s a pity that you can’t shoot those who were responsible for communications in 1941 ....
  13. +1
    14 March 2023 12: 15
    and who in the army oversees communications? and scandals with signalmen? they could, like in Germany, appoint a gynecologist as minister ... we are still lucky: a party builder ... but what about all kinds of public chambers and so on? Or are real signalmen and developers not allowed there, to the feeder? but how beautifully they show the reading of papers by the minister in front of a bunch of generals with empty eyes ... maybe it’s better to send generals to companies and have them report from there through the communication channels that exist ?? this is where it all comes out...
  14. +1
    14 March 2023 13: 13
    ABC of the future commander. I read it 10 times as a child.
  15. +3
    14 March 2023 14: 17
    Yes, there is a single military communications operator. This is the Signal Corps. Only no communication operator will help, nothing will change without a radical restructuring of the army. As long as officers and especially generals treat ranks as an encouragement with various "buns" due, and not as a position with the corresponding responsibility, nothing will change. And the higher the position, the higher the responsibility. How many wars there were before the NWO and something I didn’t hear that at least one general raised the issue of communications. Didn't retire because of it. And because our general has received this title and sit and don't stick your head out. Each general must be responsible for a specific case. Does not cope - instant transfer to the same unit by a colonel or captain. The whole system needs to be changed.
    Theater begins with a hanger. Are there not enough military schools? Yes, they all had to be closed and new ones created, and most of the teachers were not even allowed to come close to the university. Teaching in schools should be people of action, young, thinking, with combat experience. It is necessary to adopt world experience, modern warfare.
    1. +3
      14 March 2023 16: 15
      Quote from: Derbes19
      there is a single military communications operator. This is the Signal Corps.

      You, this is not a single operator. Because otherwise, where is the universal secure, jam-proof encrypted smartphone for every soldier? And continuous coverage of the battlefield with communications.
      It is already clear that electronic warfare turned out to be not at all a powerful monster, but a miserable mouse in opposition even with ordinary civilian drones.
      1. 0
        14 March 2023 17: 59
        If the operator does not cope with his work, then this one does not say that he is not alone. The problem is in the hardware.
      2. -1
        14 March 2023 18: 56
        Quote: certero
        It is already clear that electronic warfare turned out to be not at all a powerful monster, but a miserable mouse in opposition even with ordinary civilian drones.

        They wrote that the main problem of electronic warfare is that both sides use the same Maviks. In such conditions, a working electronic warfare extinguishes everyone indiscriminately - both their own and others.
        And to organize the interaction of UAV operators and "Don Reba", agreeing on the schedule of flights and work on suppression and promptly adjusting it depending on the current situation (the enemy decided to use the "window" - we warn our own and temporarily imprison them, we jam others) ... I'm afraid not in this life - we have infantry with our own but he cannot contact the tankers.
    2. 0
      14 March 2023 16: 21
      Quote from: Derbes19
      Yes, they all had to be closed and new ones created, and most of the teachers were not even allowed to come close to the university. Teaching in schools should be people of action, young, thinking, with combat experience

      Right ! They closed, for example, in 2008 the Ulyanovsk Signal Corps School. Hooray !
      But where to get "young and with combat experience" at the same time is a problem. One is missing, then the other. And about the fact that only the young can think - this must be introduced, introduced into the broad masses. And all not young to disperse to hell. Don't let the young think! For example, about girls and sexual relations with them ..... different methods and ultra-modern ways.
      1. +2
        14 March 2023 18: 05
        Do you think that if the Ulyanovsk School had not been closed, then things with communications would be better now?) The approach itself needs to be changed. Until what age do you consider a person young? 35 years young man or not? 40 years old is quite a young man. And at the expense of both young and with combat experience, there are enough of them. Teaching staff can be recruited. Personally, I am 48 years old.
        1. -1
          14 March 2023 20: 47
          Do you think that communications can be improved by closing schools?

          What annoys me is ....... the manner of discourse. Unfortunately, you can’t swear here, but readers will understand me.

          I don’t care how old you are. Such strange people should not be allowed to teach at any age.

          Since 1990, more than 70 military schools have been closed in the Russian Federation! . Not enough for you?
          You can still ...... if there is anything left
          1. 0
            15 March 2023 08: 34
            Let's take a look at your answer.)
            Yes, you can, if you concentrate the best educational base, the best teaching staff and the best funding in the remaining schools.
            Yes, God forbid!) I won’t go to teach at an army university for any goodies. Yes, and I have no desire to teach at least somewhere, most likely I don’t have the ability to teach. This is my production.
            Since 1990, the army has been continuously reduced, and educational institutions have been reduced accordingly. This is a normal process.
            Let's get back to communication Do you remember what communication was in the 90s and what it is now? Yes, in the mid-90s, manual switches were still encountered in parts. Now communication from the "box" works does not require long adjustment and time for development requires much less. The trouble is not that there are not enough military signalmen, but that there is no integrated communication system.
            And the last. You inattentively read my post, I did not write that military schools should be closed and that's it. I wrote about the need to completely change the system of military education.
      2. 0
        14 March 2023 22: 37
        Not only in Ulyanovsk, the communication school was closed. Only how can a communications school influence the antediluvian state of communications and the inconsistency in communications protocols? Neither the school nor its graduates can in any way saturate our troops with means of communication. Especially to give a stable and encrypted connection at all levels. They are stupidly not cryptographers.
        1. 0
          15 March 2023 09: 20
          Especially to give a stable and encrypted connection at all levels. They are stupidly not cryptographers

          The level of awareness of modern ZAS systems is at the level of "Radio operator Kat does not know the cipher", however ...
        2. 0
          15 March 2023 10: 14
          Quote from Munhausen
          Not only in Ulyanovsk, the communication school was closed. Just how can a communications school influence the antediluvian state of communications and the inconsistency in communications protocols?

          The 17th Central Design Institute of Communications of the Moscow Region, comrade Serdyukov, sold it cheaply to a company, a certain citizen Vasilyeva was on the board of directors. For 18 million, at a cost of almost 700 million.
  16. -2
    14 March 2023 17: 04
    What kind of network-centric war is there, where different units can exchange information in real time?
    We have a lot, but in limited quantities.
    And all because there were not enough financial resources. The money allocated for the army went mainly (which is absolutely correct) to strengthen our nuclear triad, and for everything else on a residual basis.
    Today we are the most powerful nuclear power in the world.
    Another thing is that our ENEMY imposed a conventional war on us, which, by the way, we won by May 2022.
    But our ENEMY took over the functions of the rear of our enemy and unprecedentedly supports him with weapons, financially, informationally and politically.
    ----
    I can’t imagine that our military had a full-fledged connection, but they simply didn’t want to use it.
    It's just that this direction was underfunded with a huge participation PRO-WESTERN forces in our country.
    And today, these same forces are raising a negative wave against our army, through various troll factories under their control.
    1. +4
      14 March 2023 19: 06
      Quote: flicker
      The money allocated for the army went mainly (which is absolutely correct) to strengthen our nuclear triad, and for everything else on a residual basis.

      Uh-huh .... they strengthened the nuclear triad so much that it became scary to let the marine component out of the base. OVR died, FR / TFR can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and for the living ICAPL Pacific Fleet, two fingers are generally enough. But they built "peace doves" - moduleless patrolmen - who now do not know what to do with.
      1. 0
        14 March 2023 22: 19
        But how qualitatively the budget was cut, both cheaply and cheerfully, the fleet is a cost, and personal profit is the profit of one's personal business.
      2. -1
        15 March 2023 11: 07
        our part of the Strategic Missile Forces was disbanded, all the structures in general - from the BSP and up to the dining room - were demolished, everything was taken out, recultivated .. after 4 years they began to build a new one there, in 5 years they built ... and build a regiment in the forest on swampy soil, as we were told, like a microdistrict in the city with all communications .. why they reduced, and not re-equipped, without destroying anything - this is a great mystery ... and with one more regiment in the division, the same thing happened ..
  17. 0
    14 March 2023 21: 21
    And then, already in the Soviet Army, the elementary base seriously failed. Who dragged an army radio station along with a set of batteries on a hump knows what we are talking about
    Absolutely right, just let me down elemental base (in one device, microcircuits, transistors and lamps, as well as "electromechanics" could be used simultaneously, as a result of large dimensions, weight and power consumption) ...
  18. +1
    14 March 2023 21: 40
    Quote: WFP-1
    Quite right, only the elemental base failed

    Of course you are right. Thank you for your attention.
  19. +2
    14 March 2023 22: 02
    The fact is that the entire civilian network was built and is being built on Western technologies and element base. All network protocols, standards, equipment are mostly Western. Maybe the Chinese Huawei is here and there. With him, too, not everything is as easy as some would like. Even the switchboard in your attic entrance is not local.
    Telecommunications equipment is quite specific and has rather stringent requirements. Reliability of five nines after the decimal point and the maximum possible downtime of two minutes a year. You understand, such standards are not very tough for our electronic industry, which is still based on KT315 / KT361 transistors.
    In general, civil communications could be cheaper. Only in the year 2012, our native Cheka hacked the supply of some samples of telecommunications equipment because of too good encryption there. I will leave this part without explanation. Only providers had to get out a little to bring in the necessary equipment.
    Still, I will speak about encryption. I don't know what's new after Flywheels and Historians. Maybe something new is hanging from the fighters on the walkie-talkies and is in the KShM. Only simple speech maskers that are needed at the lowest level have been talked about for more than 30 years. On not the most expensive radio stations with Ali, this functionality has been available for a long time, but in our army everything is still open.
    1. +2
      14 March 2023 23: 37
      Quote from Munhausen
      The fact is that the entire civilian network was built and is being built on Western technologies and element base. All network protocols, standards, equipment are mostly Western. Maybe the Chinese Huawei is here and there. With him, too, not everything is as easy as some would like. Even the switchboard in your attic entrance is not local.
      Telecommunications equipment is quite specific and has rather stringent requirements. Reliability of five nines after the decimal point and the maximum possible downtime of two minutes a year. You understand, such standards are not very tough for our electronic industry, which is still based on KT315 / KT361 transistors.
      In general, civil communications could be cheaper. Only in the year 2012, our native Cheka hacked the supply of some samples of telecommunications equipment because of too good encryption there. I will leave this part without explanation. Only providers had to get out a little to bring in the necessary equipment.
      Still, I will speak about encryption. I don't know what's new after Flywheels and Historians. Maybe something new is hanging from the fighters on the walkie-talkies and is in the KShM. Only simple speech maskers that are needed at the lowest level have been talked about for more than 30 years. On not the most expensive radio stations with Ali, this functionality has been available for a long time, but in our army everything is still open.

      On the TG channel of one signalman the other day there was information that a r / st was sent to one part of the Ministry of Defense and put on the balance sheet of the Chief of Communications as many as 8 (eight!) Baofengs for each battalion (naturally simple, without PRFC and maskers) and reported to the top that communication needs closed
  20. 0
    14 March 2023 22: 16
    Oh, again, squeeze everything out of the old woman 123rd. Again, everything is as usual, as we have become accustomed to from the last century, put up the antenna and sent a fighter, the point of organizing communications has been completed.
  21. +3
    15 March 2023 03: 23
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: ivan2022
    In our country, if the Tsar said that only galoshes were made in the USSR, then it seemed to be so. And in the West they would easily show that "the king is naked."

    In the West, they would simply listen to the performance in full. And they took the first paragraph from us, which referred to Soviet consumer goods, and began to wag it. Clip thinking, what is there - the speech is longer than a minute for many already multibucaff, niasilil.
    Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.

    We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.

    From the audience: ... And the first satellite.

    Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.

    But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

    It's not for Putin to say anything about consumer goods. Maybe in the days of the USSR, consumer goods were not very good, but they were. Now everything is Chinese ... The secret of making communist galoshes is lost.
  22. +1
    15 March 2023 07: 51
    "Surprisingly, mobile communications and the Internet in Russia are at the forefront in the world, both in terms of speed and cost."

    No surprise. At a cost, maybe, at a SPEED below the plinth.

    "According to SpeedTest, an Internet speed testing website, the average mobile communication speed in Russia is 21,21 Mbps. In the overall rating of the service, the country ranked 85th out of 141 possible."

    And it keeps going down...
  23. +1
    15 March 2023 08: 41
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: Daniel Mikheev
    First, it is extremely important for our government to keep citizens under the maximum possible control for the government. It is important to know their moods, way of thinking, algorithms of actions in various situations. This is the only way to manage shirnaramasses.

    But the damned capitalists don’t need this, or what ??? Wow th ....
    They mean people are free, not digitized, but we have shirnarmasses ????

    I specifically emphasized: free services! Abroad, a number of social networks are paid. And according to the law of marketing: if some service is free, then the product is YOU!
  24. +1
    15 March 2023 09: 10
    Yesterday, the Babushkinsky court granted parole and released the former head of Voentelekom, who had stolen 1,4 billion rubles. issued to create a secure connection. They stole everything and now in the NWO they wash themselves with blood. The main thing is that a good man is his, and apparently he knows how to share. And there is no connection.
  25. 0
    15 March 2023 09: 14
    I do not pretend to be the truth, but, apparently, we need a separate single military communications operator like the military Beeline or MTS, which will provide each soldier and each unit with reliable, secure, fast communications.

    That's what communications troops are for. And the fact that combined-arms commanders do not know how to use this connection is another matter.
  26. +1
    15 March 2023 11: 00
    To paraphrase the catchphrase "there is no connection, but you hold on"
  27. +1
    15 March 2023 12: 27
    As far as I remember, the chief of staff was always responsible for communications. What did the Chief of the General Staff do for communications in the troops?! A hyper-rocket, a super tank and a plane are cool, but with excellent communication, you can perfectly fight with thirty-year-old weapons. Communication is the basis of success
    I forgot that someone is also responsible for intelligence, but we don’t have it very much, in my understanding
  28. 0
    15 March 2023 13: 07
    I read and it becomes very unpleasant from what is happening in our country. For years, my father forged the shield of the country - s-300 at the factory. And I never had questions on the topic "who will win?" Everything was clear. And now my child does not understand what is happening, and all I can say to him is "everything is lost."
    How to get out of the NWO with your head up now, it’s not at all clear who will RESPOND for all the guys that are left lying in the ground because there is stupidly “no connection”?
    I myself graduated from the military department - all that I have seen in 3 years is some kind of video from the exercises.
  29. +1
    15 March 2023 18: 09
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    The professionalism of our generals can be judged by the results of the SVO ... unimportant, to put it mildly, I had an assessment of their readiness and ability to wage a modern-type war ... at the front, people who are motivated to win should be put in combat positions, and not parquet sycophants and petty tyrants in generals shoulder straps.

    Well, whatever you want, the Russian authorities have drawn the right conclusions from Hussein's mistakes after Desert Storm. Saddam decided to put things in order in the army, he brought the generals and officers who showed themselves badly in 1991 to court, shot dozens of them, recruited new sensible ones. So those sensible in 2003, almost without exception, surrendered to the Americans, without offering resistance, so as not to fall under the rink of new repressions later, well, they tore Saddam to pieces as a result. The Russian authorities do not want a repeat of the fate of the "Iraqi elite", and therefore it is better to be stupid at their posts, but who know that they are not threatened by the authorities of the Russian Federation as long as they are loyal. Yes, and in the traditions of the tsar, it is enough to remember the nikolaska of the second Rennekampf who appointed him to the post of commander: "not an eagle, but faithful." Well then, at least the result was logical: first, the defeat in East Prussia, as a result, a citizen Romanov was shot in the basement.
  30. 0
    16 March 2023 01: 48
    Quote from stelltok
    Considering that the country developed under those rulers (Grozny, Peter, Ekaterina, Stalin) under which ordinary citizens were very rotten, and the boyars were occasionally executed, such prospects strain me a little

    So now it is also possible to raise the country in the technological sense of the word, although not much, but it is possible.
    1) Stop investing in sports
    2) Stop building new ones (circus / dolphinarium / zoos)
    3) Stop building expensive skyscrapers and luxury buildings
    On the contrary, it is necessary to build simpler (and correspondingly cheaper) as in the USSR
    Did they build such expensive buildings (skyscrapers ...) in the USSR as they do now in MSC?
    4) Prohibit the withdrawal of money abroad
    5) Stop paying money to unnecessary organizations (WHO, IMF, PABSEC ...)
    Only 5 points and without doing anything money appears.
    Well, this money is for the development of microelectronics.

    1. You can really save money on professional sports.
    2. Where are circuses and zoos built for public money? Dolphinariums are mostly private.
    3. The construction of skyscrapers is mostly private projects.
    4. What is meant by withdrawal of money? I went over the hill for a purchase, bought a real estate over the hill, bought a plant - is this a withdrawal of money?
    5. Are all developed countries such fools that they pay? Unnecessary organizations?
    Where can I get equipment for the production of modern microelectronics?
    1. 0
      16 March 2023 09: 20
      1. You can really save money on professional sports.

      Yes.
      2. Where are circuses and zoos built for public money? Dolphinariums are mostly private.

      The point is not in the circuses themselves (this includes all sorts of casinos, bars .....), but in priority.
      3. The construction of skyscrapers is mostly private projects.

      It's not about 1-chnyy skyscrapers.
      And in principle the construction itself.
      Well, you must admit that in the USSR they tried to build cheaper, but with high quality.
      Now they are building very beautiful and luxurious buildings for very big money. (I'm not talking about residential complexes where people live).
      Not wasteful?
      5. Are all developed countries such fools that they pay? Unnecessary organizations?



      Where can I get equipment for the production of modern microelectronics?

      Create yourself. True, this requires money. Much money.
  31. +1
    16 March 2023 07: 25
    Quote from Tim666
    1) Stop investing in sports

    I think this is high time - there are sports that no one goes to at all, except for relatives and friends. sport should be self-supporting, like a business. Children's sports for free, graduated from the Youth Sports School - free, you yourself make the choice to remain an amateur or look for a sponsor.
    1. 0
      16 March 2023 09: 07
      I think it’s time for a long time - there are sports that no one goes to at all,

      I agree.
    2. 0
      16 March 2023 15: 25
      It's just those sports that few spectators go to that are often real sports. And football, for example, which is attended by a lot of spectators, is now more likely not a sport, but a kind of show business.
  32. 0
    17 March 2023 01: 06
    Quote from stelltok
    1. You can really save money on professional sports.

    Yes.
    2. Where are circuses and zoos built for public money? Dolphinariums are mostly private.

    The point is not in the circuses themselves (this includes all sorts of casinos, bars .....), but in priority.
    3. The construction of skyscrapers is mostly private projects.

    It's not about 1-chnyy skyscrapers.
    And in principle the construction itself.
    Well, you must admit that in the USSR they tried to build cheaper, but with high quality.
    Now they are building very beautiful and luxurious buildings for very big money. (I'm not talking about residential complexes where people live).
    Not wasteful?
    5. Are all developed countries such fools that they pay? Unnecessary organizations?



    Where can I get equipment for the production of modern microelectronics?

    Create yourself. True, this requires money. Much money.

    Tell the residents of Spitak about quality construction in the USSR. Why is it bad that casinos and bars and large and luxurious buildings are being built? Do casinos and bars pay taxes? Are luxurious buildings built for state or private money? If for private I do not see any problems.
    Zhirinovsky as an argument is strong)))
    To create equipment for the production of modern microelectronics, not only money is needed, the most valuable resource is time. Here is the same principle if you who have a lathe from the time of Peter the Great are given the task of creating, well, at least a DIP-500, while you go through a dozen stages of evolution, competitors will already have a CNC processing complex of the 2000 model.
    1. 0
      17 March 2023 09: 54
      To create equipment for the production of modern microelectronics, not only money is needed, the most valuable resource is time.

      There was plenty of time. 30 years at least.
      Here is the same principle if you who have a lathe from the time of Peter the Great are given the task of creating, well, at least a DIP-500, while you go through a dozen stages of evolution, competitors will already have a CNC processing complex of the 2000 model.

      At the first stage, you can buy imported machines and use imported machines to make the necessary parts for a lithographic machine.
      The lithograph consists of 100 parts.
      Most of which are repetitive.
      The most complex parts are the laser, optics, radiation source,
      electric motors, special traps for tin,....
      Everything is possible if there is a lot of funding. And he is not.
  33. 0
    17 March 2023 04: 08
    Quote from stelltok
    Yes, and why it is impossible to build new circuses, zoos? How do they interfere with the development of society?

    When you have a microelectronic industry at zero, then first of all you need to develop it, and then develop entertainment (circuses, zoos, etc.)
    Strongly now sports help? Or maybe the circus is helping? Not?
    Is it possible to create UAVs thanks to sports?
    Then what are we talking about?



    In general, I understand your idea. But this is primarily a staffing issue.
    The fact that electronics had to be developed was clear all these years, when the Soviet legacy was plundered and collapsed. Nevertheless, it was not developed, and precisely because it is important, that is, enemies and traitors are in power. In other words, in order for the electronic industry to be, a revolution is needed, and not a simple one, but a golden one, that is, not just to change these people, who, in addition to stealing, are still proud that they do not know how to use the Internet, but to change them for literate and decent people. And this is a big task. Nevertheless, without its solution, it is difficult to imagine a positive scenario.
  34. 0
    17 March 2023 12: 42
    Quote from Vashek
    Yesterday, the Babushkinsky court granted parole and released the former head of Voentelekom, who had stolen 1,4 billion rubles. issued to create a secure connection. They stole everything and now in the NWO they wash themselves with blood. The main thing is that a good man is his, and apparently he knows how to share. And there is no connection.

    I don’t really understand this - a man stole almost a billion and a half and was released from prison for good behavior, did I understand correctly? Did he draw a red corner there? Did he return one and a half billion or what?
  35. +1
    17 March 2023 13: 43
    Our connection, or rather its complete absence, is our Achilles heel ... It was not at the highest level in the USSR either. But under P ... the remnants of the former disappeared .... What can be expected in the absence of our own production and complete uncontrollability on the part of any actions and steps of the President. Complete lack of control and without responsibility gives rise to such things .. By the way, everyone is unanimously silent about the machinations in this area and the generals involved in this .. This is a question of public control ...
  36. 0
    17 March 2023 21: 35
    Quote from stelltok
    To create equipment for the production of modern microelectronics, not only money is needed, the most valuable resource is time.

    There was plenty of time. 30 years at least.
    Here is the same principle if you who have a lathe from the time of Peter the Great are given the task of creating, well, at least a DIP-500, while you go through a dozen stages of evolution, competitors will already have a CNC processing complex of the 2000 model.

    At the first stage, you can buy imported machines and use imported machines to make the necessary parts for a lithographic machine.
    The lithograph consists of 100 parts.
    Most of which are repetitive.
    The most complex parts are the laser, optics, radiation source,
    electric motors, special traps for tin,....
    Everything is possible if there is a lot of funding. And he is not.

    Equipment for creating a lithographic machine, especially the latest generation, is a niche topic and no one will sell it much. Even China does not aim at processors of the latest technical processes, the Chinese are satisfied with a lag of 10 years. Now the production of microelectronics is an industry where it is almost impossible to catch up with leading manufacturers and developers, no matter how blah blah blah rush from the screen. I once talked with a person from AMD, according to him, if, for example, their development is slowed down for a year, then you can close, Intel's lead will be critical, the same is the case in production. And in the Russian Federation there is almost no scientific, technological or industrial base. Even if you enter the race now, the output will be a product with a lag of 15-20 years, which will not be needed anywhere except for the defense industry and, due to small-scale production, will cost space money. It's like a Soviet CD drive cost 200 dollars and a South Korean 20 infa from a Soviet magazine.

  37. 0
    17 March 2023 22: 04
    Quote from stelltok
    To create equipment for the production of modern microelectronics, not only money is needed, the most valuable resource is time.

    There was plenty of time. 30 years at least.
    Here is the same principle if you who have a lathe from the time of Peter the Great are given the task of creating, well, at least a DIP-500, while you go through a dozen stages of evolution, competitors will already have a CNC processing complex of the 2000 model.

    At the first stage, you can buy imported machines and use imported machines to make the necessary parts for a lithographic machine.
    The lithograph consists of 100 parts.
    Most of which are repetitive.
    The most complex parts are the laser, optics, radiation source,
    electric motors, special traps for tin,....
    Everything is possible if there is a lot of funding. And he is not.

    Good funding was allocated for the production of advanced CNC machines, how did the story end? In the USSR, there were 250 million+ population of other CMEA countries, and still the CMEA was not completely self-sufficient, the same machines for processing submarine screws were bought in Japan. Russia with 150 million cannot be self-sufficient. My personal opinion is that in order for the production of electronics to appear in the Russian Federation, it was necessary to create conditions so that it would be profitable to do this, so that manufacturers would stand in line to build their own plant, and not take money from those who want to build a skyscraper and send it to the new Vostochny cosmodrome by command and administrative methods.
    1. 0
      19 March 2023 09: 27
      Russia with 150 million cannot be self-sufficient

      So we are talking about microelectronics.
      150 million for microelectronics should be enough.
      There is no need to produce everything. (starting from socks ending with a thermonuclear reactor)
      You can buy a musical guitar from China. You don't have to make it yourself.
      Microelectronics is a strategic industry. But the musical guitar is not.
  38. 0
    19 March 2023 10: 55
    Probably, now there are two ways to somehow improve the situation:
    1. Send communication delegates with your walkie-talkie.
    For example, a scout to the headquarters and to the gunners. Let it be directly in touch with its own through its own radio format (you can also duplicate wired). And let him personally speak with the locals, poking a finger at a paper map, since there is no single tablet with online data transfer.
    Accordingly, gunners and staff can send their man to scouts at an observation post or to a drone operator.
    2. Simply saturate the connections with various types of communication with a shaft, duplicate it with a wired connection.
    Maybe somewhere to test the military Internet on new physical principles.
  39. 0
    19 March 2023 19: 33
    At the end of the USSR, the chiefs of the signal troops were Kobets. Yeltsin assigned him an army general. Then it turned out that he was a swindler and a scoundrel. Convicted. Most recently, the head of the communications troops of the RF Armed Forces was imprisoned. Turned out to be a crook and a villain. Is it such a special kind of troops that they only take such commanders there?
  40. 0
    20 March 2023 01: 49
    Quote from stelltok
    Russia with 150 million cannot be self-sufficient

    So we are talking about microelectronics.
    150 million for microelectronics should be enough.
    There is no need to produce everything. (starting from socks ending with a thermonuclear reactor)
    You can buy a musical guitar from China. You don't have to make it yourself.
    Microelectronics is a strategic industry. But the musical guitar is not.

    To begin with, decide what you mean by microelectronics, a large number of things fall under this concept: processors, chips, they are also microcircuits, resistors, transistors and much more, finished products such as motherboards and RAM sticks are also microelectronics. Trying to set up the production of all components and finished products at home is, IMHO, an overwhelming task, especially if you implement it using command and administrative methods. Nowhere in the world, neither in the USA nor in China, is there complete self-sufficiency in this area, the USSR tried, but at that time the element base was simpler, copying was not a particular problem, and still there was a significant lag, no matter how they called the command planning system, but in such violent emerging innovative areas of the private sector works more effectively Microsoft and Apple are good examples. If by the production of microelectronics you understand only the needs of the military-industrial complex, then of course there is a chance to close your needs, but if you create some production only for the military-industrial complex, this means a small series and, as a result, an extremely high price of products. Again, where to get the equipment? Build yourself? And where to get specialists who will develop it? The evolutionary path does not roll here for too long, and with espionage, too, not everything is simple, even if they stole the drawings of the same advanced lithographer, but where can I get the components for it? Their production is a narrow niche and you can’t buy them on Ali ... Do it yourself? ... Well, this needs a super-revolution in the industry, but where to get the equipment for it - sanctions and they won’t be able to buy everything they need quickly, there are things that are especially monitored thoroughly. If during the absence of sanctions it was not worthy, now it is just dreams and balabolshchina. But I do not at all rule out that for the military-industrial complex within five years or maybe even faster, with funding, it is possible to master the production of processors, albeit with a lag of 10-15 years behind the flagships, and this will already be good, of course you can’t build a supercomputer corresponding to the time on their basis, but for a CICS tank or helicopter is enough.
    1. 0
      20 March 2023 09: 45
      First, define what you mean by microelectronics,

      1) Lithographic machine 28 nm (make chips)
      2) Production machines (displays, motherboards, photomatrices, component base, radio modules (wifi ...), lidars, lasers)
      This should be enough to shut down strategic industries.

      Nowhere in the world, neither in the United States nor in China, is there complete self-sufficiency in this area,

      So because both the USA and China and the Russian Federation scatter their resources on all sorts of other things like (sports, improvement of megacities, and much more, I'm too lazy to paint.)
      If the Russian Federation consolidated all the resources for microelectronics, then it could do everything strategic. But at the same time, sports would have to be forgotten, and the cities would look worse now, and a lot of other things would be worse.
      IMHO, in order to achieve something, you have to sacrifice something. You can't develop everything at once.

      a private trader works more efficiently than Microsoft and Apple are good examples. There are so many other reasons why Microsoft and Apple succeeded, but the USSR did not.

      1) The USSR fed many countries in the world - if only this money would be directed to internal development, the result would be different.
      secondly, in 100 years the USSR lost 100 million people. - and it could be engineers, workers, etc.

      but if you create some production only for the military-industrial complex, this means a small series and, as a result, an extremely high price of products.

      And this is better than the absence of one as such. Better more expensive but your own. Than absence.

      advanced lithographer, but where to get accessories for it?

      So the lithographer is being developed, the only question is funding.
      http://www.ipmras.ru/institute/news/829-3-nauchnykh-rezultata-ifm-ran-voshli-v-top-10-kotorye-budut-napravleny-v-ran-/
  41. 0
    20 March 2023 13: 29
    Quote from stelltok
    First, define what you mean by microelectronics,

    1) Lithographic machine 28 nm (make chips)
    2) Production machines (displays, motherboards, photomatrices, component base, radio modules (wifi ...), lidars, lasers)
    This should be enough to shut down strategic industries.

    Nowhere in the world, neither in the United States nor in China, is there complete self-sufficiency in this area,

    So because both the USA and China and the Russian Federation scatter their resources on all sorts of other things like (sports, improvement of megacities, and much more, I'm too lazy to paint.)
    If the Russian Federation consolidated all the resources for microelectronics, then it could do everything strategic. But at the same time, sports would have to be forgotten, and the cities would look worse now, and a lot of other things would be worse.
    IMHO, in order to achieve something, you have to sacrifice something. You can't develop everything at once.

    a private trader works more efficiently than Microsoft and Apple are good examples. There are so many other reasons why Microsoft and Apple succeeded, but the USSR did not.

    1) The USSR fed many countries in the world - if only this money would be directed to internal development, the result would be different.
    secondly, in 100 years the USSR lost 100 million people. - and it could be engineers, workers, etc.

    but if you create some production only for the military-industrial complex, this means a small series and, as a result, an extremely high price of products.

    And this is better than the absence of one as such. Better more expensive but your own. Than absence.

    advanced lithographer, but where to get accessories for it?

    So the lithographer is being developed, the only question is funding.
    http://www.ipmras.ru/institute/news/829-3-nauchnykh-rezultata-ifm-ran-voshli-v-top-10-kotorye-budut-napravleny-v-ran-/

    Forget about the fact that China or the United States scatter their resources, there are not miserable command-and-control systems - what you can earn on is produced. The 28nm process technology is already outdated) Pro is being developed but funding is needed - if they gave me a dollar when I hear this, I would be rich. Why don't Abramovich or Deripaska invest if it promises excellent prospects? As it shows when they shout a lot about another victory, the result is a robot dog with Ali with a grenade launcher and in stockings)
    Where did the 100 million losses of the USSR come from? Apple and Microsoft were born and established as companies not because someone gave them resources, but because in the USA there was freedom for private initiative, if Bill Gates lived in the USSR, his ideas about Windows would be buried within the walls of some research institute - but what for it is the same DOC ... As if taxpayers in the person of citizens are interested in well-maintained cities, and let those who will earn on it invest in microelectronics.