Gentlemen, is it worth doing business?

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Gentlemen, is it worth doing business?

In general, the war in reality is not enough for us, so the media war broke out. And with the addition of "another". As soon as the media resources finished kicking Girkin-Strelkov, the next war broke out.

Now Prigogine and Shoigu have come together. Moreover, Prigozhin, in his usual manner, acts himself, but instead of Shoigu, the corresponding resources and the z-grid act.



In general, the show that Prigozhin and the Moscow Region staged deserves condemnation

It is one thing when there is an active discussion of mistakes and omissions in the conduct of hostilities, the qualities of military leaders are discussed, but now all this has somehow faded into the background and a discussion of family members and people close to them has come forward.

From time immemorial, such tricks have been considered dirty without any quotes, but this is not the most important thing. The important thing is that, unfortunately, the ground for scandals is more than fat and manure. Everything will grow what you sow.

This time they “sowed” the son-in-law of the Minister of Defense, the “blogger” Stolyarov. The scandal came out excellent, only the lazy in the same Telegram did not trample on this phenomenon.

What's the matter? The fact that one slacker supported the opinion of another slacker and loser, and besides, also a traitor. Mr. Stolyarov supported Mr. Dudya. Which foreign agent, who escaped from Russia, is now cultivating his cult of the brown substance, so to speak, at a distance.

In general, what else to expect from the “dandruff shampoo gentleman”, who made a career in Russia and, like many others like him, now demonstrates “principledness” in matters of discrediting the country as a whole and individuals in particular.

What Mr. Stolyarov is, and so it is clear. An ordinary worthless layman living on the money of his wife, a successful media activist, Ksenia Shoigu. Which purely by chance is the daughter of a minister with many years of experience, Sergei Shoigu.

Let's be honest: there is nothing illegal in living on the money of a lawful wife. This is a matter of pride, but Stolyarov has complete order with this. Lives for pleasure. Is it worth it to condemn in the framework of what is happening in the country? I'm sure not. Stolyarov with his convictions is completely harmless. At least he does not roll up concerts, the proceeds from which he spends on helping the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He does not make calls in the style of Grebenshchikov. He just lives the way he does. In general, it is clear who is the head in this unit of society.

Yes, the tours of the Shoigu Jr. family around the Emirates cause some misunderstanding, but it’s easier for us to say who from the Russian elite is sitting in Russia and does not show his nose abroad. The list will be short, you know.

Hence the persecution of Stolyarov, which was arranged by our z-party, is not at all clear to me. The policy of double standards is obvious: generals who steal cannot be touched. Talentless generals who drive people and equipment to slaughter in completely ill-conceived operations are not allowed. A state corporation that sells former military factories for development is not allowed. But a loafer, who is a half-relative of the Minister of Defense, is possible and necessary.

Why not Ksenia Sergeevna herself, sending greetings to the Kuzmichs from the pool of an expensive hotel in Dubai? Probably because it's not possible either. Everything is like in the old Soviet joke, where the blacksmith, instead of the only drunken combine operator and his godfather, the tractor driver, offered to sweep away the groom, because there were two grooms. Steam release.

And every day, from all sources, calls are rushing into our brains. About the need to consolidate the entire Russian world, society, about the duty of one and all to the Motherland, and so on. Who is calling? Well, the faces are the same: politicians, deputies, officials, businessmen. And representatives of our charming stratum - the intelligentsia. All of them, sitting very comfortably, who is where, broadcast on these topics daily and hourly.

Not enough of all this? Apparently yes.

At first, we witnessed an incomprehensible sparring between Prigozhin and Girkin-Strelkov, then Prigozhin and his fighters began to attack the Ministry of Defense because of the shells, now everything has moved to the family level.

Of course, Ksenia Sergeevna herself gives an example of how not to consolidate. What is it like for our people to look at the photo reports of the daughter of the chief military leader from vacation spots in the Arab Emirates today? Is it the consolidation of society in front of the enemy? Mobilization of all resources for the sake of victory? But is there a war there, on warm shores? Demonstration of elastic parts of the body on camera - is it help to the front?

Ordinary people on the Internet rightly ask the question: how is it that the whole country is undergoing hardships and hardships, while someone continues to receive everything from life and in full?

And here it is difficult to expect something different from the so-called "golden youth" and a leaning blogger. But I repeat: there is a minimum of harm from them, unlike our military department.

Prigozhin and his media resources definitely began to hit the sores and abscesses of the Ministry of Defense, there is no doubt. The names of Shoigu, Tsalikov, Ivanov quickly went into action. Rollers, revelations, scandals and intrigues.

And now it seems that the shells have already gone, as everyone understood, there was interference at the highest level, but for some reason the attacks continue. Demonstration of the same terrible inertia as the Ministry of Defense or just political ambitions?

Some forces immediately began to accuse Prigozhin of continuing to criticize even after the shelling problems had been resolved. They say that an empire that brings simply fabulous profits has already been built by him, and the desire to exchange financial profit for political profit is not so easy to curb.

Quite dubious conclusions, because on the one hand, yes, Prigozhin has his own empire, but it does not work in Russia, but rather far beyond its borders. It is very difficult to say what financial profits can be obtained by fighting with the created assault detachments in the interests of Russia in the NWO. And, if you accuse Prigozhin of implementing some of his insidious plans, then our entire General Staff should sit next to him in the dock.

But once a fictitious scheme works to this day, and therefore various unsightly facts began to pour on Prigozhin, ranging from the fact that they recalled the scandal with the poisoning of Moscow schoolchildren in 2008 and ending with his prison past, which he brings in his speeches at all levels .

Let me quote from one such story:

Having entered the taste of publicity, Prigozhin actually introduces an unthinkable to the village "fenya" to the state level. Almost directly uses prison jargon, describing certain events in the theater of operations.

How is this possible in a country with an unparalleled military tradition? Here, in fairness, it should be noted that not only the criminal is to blame, the current “heirs” of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Zhukov, Rokossovsky and other legendary military leaders are guilty to the same extent, who today gave the ground for such an unthinkable phenomenon.

You know, there's a lot in this passage that you can agree with. Indeed, how did it happen that a former criminal who created his own private military empire does something that our generals cannot do? How practically, recapturing settlements, not possessing the capabilities and resources of generals, and media?

Good, bad, terrible Prigogine. But his performances are a pain for the result of the work that Wagner is doing. And they will perform better than many regular parts. You can talk a lot about the fact that the Wagner is given more shells and missiles, that the PMC fighters are better equipped and equipped, but ... and who forbade the generals of the Ministry of Defense to do this?

Nobody forbade. Moreover, it is for this that our generals receive salaries, titles and orders. But Prigozhin has a result, but the generals somehow have a problem with this, both in the past and in the present. And yes, if we talk about the fact that the prestige and weight of Russia in the world has collapsed, then it’s definitely not the “coach-blogger” who is to blame for this, but the generals of the Russian army.

The fact that we are completely unlucky with the command, which demonstrates a complete inability to conduct normal military operations in Ukraine, has long been clear and understandable to everyone. But our colonels and generals have one such trait that nullifies all efforts to change the situation. They clearly hold the line, reflecting any criticism and any attempts to change the situation. And they do it great.

But the forces that could change something - they are, as usual, divided. Well, it seemed that it was worth Prigozhin to accept into his ranks the same Strelkov, behind whom there are certain patriotic forces? Yes, as a commander, Strelkov is no longer very good, after all, there are so many years of peaceful life ... But as an adviser who knows the theater of operations at the level of the chief of staff of a regiment or brigade, Strelkov would be quite good. He is a really good organizer of processes, this cannot be taken away.

Instead, it turned out to be an ordinary swara. Well, the proposal that Prigozhin put forward to Strelkov, in general, not a single normal person would respond to such a thing.

Here, Mr. Prigozhin very often overdoes it in full. Of course, the lexicon fails, on the one hand everything looks so cheerful and fresh, on the other hand, the whole country is watching the actions of Wagner and its commander in chief, and not everyone is comfortable hearing this.

It is necessary to understand when it is worth demonstrating disregard for culture, and when not.

All the same is true with regard to showdowns with people who, in principle, have no influence on what is happening in the NWO. This primarily concerns the family members of our generals. It is ugly to persecute, no matter what opinion people would have. They are entitled to it.

This is barbarism and savagery. Which will lead to nothing good.
Let's look at what is now rushing from the TV screens, moreover, in the performance of our top officials, both executive and legislative.

Deprive of citizenship, confiscate property, imprison forever. First, those who did not want to fight and left the country. Then those who wanted to leave. Then those who do not like the idea of ​​CBO. Those who spoke out against Their family members (oh, yes, blessed CHSIR, article 58-1c, must be urgently returned to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation from the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926). Well, and so on.

And then look at the result. How many patriots will really remain who want to fight for a brighter future.

By the way, an approximate version was described by the American science fiction writer Harry Harrison in his Bill the Galactic Hero, I recommend looking at chapter 8 of the second book. It's all very clear, by the way.

In our case, Yevgeny Viktorovich still needs to think and stop in the chain of criticism and revelations. It is necessary to fight, but with those who really deserve it. This is the only way to change things for the better.

Therefore, I would like to say in the direction of our heroes, who are grappling in a completely useless and even harmful information battle: gentlemen, get down to business. It is not worth wasting time and resources on fights (albeit informational ones) with children, women and effeminate organisms that look a bit like men.

Not Dud, Stolyarov and Lebedev (which is Nekoglai, now an active assistant to the Armed Forces of Ukraine) have a real influence on what is happening, although they are trying. They are not the heroes of today, it is not necessary to talk about them.

And here it is appropriate to recall the consolidation for the sake of victory, and the fact that people must remain in any combination of circumstances.
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  1. +55
    7 March 2023 05: 05
    Here, again, it could be recognized by the first lines. It's novel!
    Yesterday, for the first time in a long time, I watched “An Evening with Vladimirov Solovyov” (part of the program). Couldn't figure out what was so interesting. And this lack of eternal protrusion of the image of "God's chosen one" interested me. A specific topic with an analysis of problems in the NWO and around it.
    Some of the speeches just directly echo the topic raised by Roman.
    Today, the results of the actions of the Wagner PMC are obvious to everyone. A lot of material is shown on TV (albeit a repeat). And it's easy to compare: some are engaged in positional battles, others are liberating the territory with a detailed description of the places.
    * * *
    The main topic in the country remained undisclosed - WHEN AND WHAT SHOULD WE START?
    When will we see the announced resource mobilization? It cannot be understood with reason that on the territory where not a single whole building remains, “someone” is still resisting ... What measures have been taken to prevent the penetration of the DRG from Ukraine into the territory of Russia?
    How long will these "feasts during the plague" continue? Where does this strange attachment come from to supply the enemies with resources and finances accumulated in Russia?
    Who, after all, is interested in the pricing practiced in Russia for energy carriers (electricity and fuels and lubricants)? Why is water for the needs of industry and the population unreasonably expensive? For what good purpose has VAT been introduced in Russia and there is no progressive personal income tax scale (I do not consider progress 13% and 15%)?
    1. AAK
      +66
      7 March 2023 09: 52
      In my opinion, it is categorically impossible to "close" the topic of "kids, families, etc." New York Broadway or floating in the pool of the Rockefeller villa in Florida ... how much would this contribute to the "unity of power and people"?
      1. -12
        7 March 2023 17: 38
        And let’s say a public statement from Zhukov that Vasily Stalin is a drunk and as a commander is an empty place, and daddy turns a blind eye to this? Or does the same Zhukov begin to say publicly that he is the only normal commander, so he is thrown from front to front like a fire brigade? So I can’t imagine it, even though Zhukov is a genius. And then a dog wedding and nothing more. And so it has already come to statements that the entire front rests on the musicians.
        1. +2
          7 March 2023 18: 51
          Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
          Or does the same Zhukov begin to say publicly that he is the only normal commander, so he is thrown from front to front like a fire brigade?

          From conversations -1957 plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU?
          Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
          public utterance say from Zhukov about the fact that Vasily Stalin is a drunk and as a commander an empty place, and daddy turns a blind eye to this?

          Where and when was it published?
          1. TIR
            +13
            8 March 2023 13: 04
            It also cut about Zhukov. He never flaunted himself. Yes, he drove the troops on the attack, but I want to say one thing, if you fight positionally, without making deep breakthroughs, then the German troops were a single organism and could destroy the enemy even 10 times larger in defense. Yes, at the moment of breaking through the front "along Zhukov" more people died than if they were trying to break through the grind. But now, when Zhukov was breaking through the defenses, then his troops already suffered much fewer losses, since the enemy did not have time to build new defense lines and withdraw troops. The only thing that prevented Zhukov from making breakthroughs even more effectively was poor means of reconnaissance, communications and logistics. All these 3 factors have an acute effect on our troops in the NVO. Without reconnaissance, communications and rear, we are now marking time. The lack of work on these well-known problems is precisely the "merit" of Shoigu. He is responsible for all these failures. And Prigozhin is just a performer. He is not responsible for this, he, like anyone else in his place, requires what he needs. And if this is not there and cannot be provided, then this is the problem of the Minister of Defense. If Prigozhin's requests are not heard, then like any normal person, he will achieve his goal by any means. This is precisely the quality of a good commander. If Prigozhin, over the head of Shoigu and the president, turns to China and the DPRK in exchange for concessions of interests in African countries where Wagner is, then the people will not condemn such a step. And he can do that. China's economic interests in Africa in exchange for the full provision of Wagner. Quite a real step
            1. +1
              9 March 2023 18: 06
              [/ quote] If Prigozhin, over the head of Shoigu and the president, turns to China and North Korea in exchange for concessions of interests in African countries where there is Wagner, then the people will not condemn such a step. And he can do that. [quote]
              Do you want to say that Prigozhin has become so independent belay ? It seems to me that not everything is so simple, the presence of "Wagner" in Africa is not just the desire and possibilities of Prigozhin, the consent of the local "population" is needed, because there are not only the interests of Prigozhin and China, but also the local authorities, and this is diplomacy, which so far in the hands of the one over whose head they were going to jump. P. S- I still hope that all this fuss is to win some time and blur my eyes (it was already like that), for which I don’t know. For it looks too blasphemous in our time of transmitting information, it is risky, they must understand at the top, our people are very patient, but if it explodes .....
              1. TIR
                0
                9 March 2023 20: 21
                It's not a bluff. And this is not the only oversight of the MO that has entered the media sphere. Since this is the only way to convey to the problems. The fact that Prigozhin in Africa works for the interests of China is a no brainer
        2. +13
          7 March 2023 20: 32
          "And so it has already come to statements that the whole front rests on the musicians.2
          I have not seen such statements, but such an impression, indeed, is emerging.
          1. +8
            8 March 2023 13: 28
            The impression that the front is holding on Wagner is created because there are no advances in other sectors. At the same time, when full-time military correspondents make reports from the location of the musicians, they avoid calling them Wagnerites, PMCs or musicians, but call them attack aircraft.
        3. +40
          7 March 2023 21: 58
          Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
          And let’s say a public statement from Zhukov that Vasily Stalin is a drunk and as a commander is an empty place, and daddy turns a blind eye to this?

          You know, I can’t understand why our children should sit in the trenches under shells, waist-deep in ice slush, die for Russia, and the son-in-law of the Minister of Defense, along with his daughter, hang around in Dubai, bathing in champagne, eating pressed caviar, posting immoral videos, on top of that, pouring mud on the Motherland and its soldiers? A ? What ? As for the sons and daughters of the elite in the Second World War. The children of Stalin, Mikoyan, Frunze, Khrushchev, etc .. fought .. Ghibli. We were together with the people, and not at a tusna in Dubai ... with vanyuta urgants and galkins, akhedzhakovs ...... And if you are such a powerful statesman, the Minister of Defense cannot build your offspring and son-in-law, Alphonse, then where are you to command the military people of Russia? What are you capable of then? To bleat on TV .. Whether he reads in syllables, or is tongue-tied, or frankly bzdit.
          1. AAK
            +7
            7 March 2023 23: 01
            both that, and another, and the third ... to our deep regret ... not Rokossovsky, not Vasilevsky and not even Budyonny ... something between Voroshilov and Kulik ...
            1. +3
              9 March 2023 19: 47
              yes, he is not standing next to Voroshilov and a sandpiper. The latter at least had something to do with the army. Voroshilov fought well in civilian life. Yes, he was not ready for the Second World War. It was not his war. And this modern marshal of ours did not even serve in the army, but was hung with stars, orders and medals. And if you now ask from the servicemen whether they entrusted him with at least a company.
          2. -9
            8 March 2023 23: 13
            Is it your children? Right now they are sitting in the trenches and dying under shells? Well then, I bow to you for raising such children.
          3. +4
            9 March 2023 09: 40
            You know, I can’t understand why our children should sit in the trenches under shells, waist-deep in ice slush, die for Russia, and the son-in-law of the Minister of Defense, along with his daughter, hang around in Dubai, bathing in champagne, eating pressed caviar, posting immoral videos, on top of that, pouring mud on the Motherland and its soldiers?
            This is how the "bloody USSR" acts on you. Until now, "democracy" in the Russian Federation cannot defeat the legacy of the USSR. This is the main reason for failure (!). In everything that is happening now, Lenin and Stalin are to blame, personally (!). laughing
            And "sons and daughters", consuming caviar in foreign countries, are helping our troops sitting in the ice trenches! After all, then less caviar will go to 404, the Nazis! The contribution of "sons and daughters" to the victory is still underestimated!
            1. +3
              9 March 2023 16: 40
              Quote: AKuzenka
              This is how the "bloody USSR" acts on you.

              This is how my father taught me. Do not eat pies alone at night under the covers. Don't leave a friend in trouble. To love the motherland.
          4. +1
            10 March 2023 12: 16
            Quote: 30 vis
            And if you are such a powerful statesman, the minister of defense, you cannot build your offspring and son-in-law, gigolo, then where do you command the military people of Russia?

            This is a pure discredit of one of the most talented commanders
        4. AAK
          +7
          7 March 2023 22: 58
          Vasily Stalin was really accustomed to drinking by various drinkers, unfortunately this did not add years to his life. And as for the level of fecal substances in the body, in comparison with the juggernaut Zhukov, Vasily Stalin is a soft and fluffy teddy bear, he, according to known information, did not break fate like Zhukov and on his orders people for no reason ... Well, so far as his military leadership talents - so much has been written here that some kind of equestrian statues from the square would be necessary ... The entire front does not hold on to the Wagners, but they have so far achieved the most significant military successes, operating on very difficult sectors of the front, except for they are seriously and relatively successfully fought by marines, airborne forces, coastal defense, guys from the corps of the LDNR ... and who to extol - the "heroic" Kantemirovites?
      2. -11
        8 March 2023 01: 25
        In my opinion, it is absolutely impossible to "close" the topic of "kids, families, etc.
        The question is not at all about kids and families, but that the conflict between the Moscow Region and Prigogine is a conflict of two forces, two centers of gravity, two directions of Russia's development.

        The first force of the Moscow Region is the "siloviki" striving for an independent and sovereign Russia from the West.

        The second force whose interests Prigozhin expresses is the pro-Westerners who want to follow the path of the West.

        Everyone is misled by the fact that Wagner PMCs are fighting perfectly today in Ukraine with the notorious West, and the founder of Wagner Prigozhin, which means Prigozhin cannot be supported by pro-Westerners.

        But, firstly, Prigozhin is not the founder of PMC Wagner, but just a manager hired by one of the oligarchs. The fact that someone is moving him is clearly seen in the unprecedented rise of the restaurant.
        They don’t take off on their own, they take off only with the help of influential forces.

        Secondly, his whole image is built from manipulation.
        "Putin's personal chef", although Putin himself said that all his chefs are officers of the FSO.
        "Founder" PMC Wagner.
        The founder of PMC Wagner Dmitry Utkin, whose call sign was Wagner.
        "Simple Russian peasant" I don't even want to comment. What's the point of hiding it?

        Third, how he dealt with his competitors.
        These are forgeries and manipulations.
        A total of 12 people. Of which four were from Prigozhin's security service. Eight - local, for the operation with the collection of signatures and staging with a coffin, which was taken out to the city administration.

        Made staged videos with cockroaches in hospitals, with dissatisfied patients, with picketers.

        There was difficulty. It was necessary to launch cockroaches into hospitals. It turned out to be a problem. They thought that they could catch and put them in a jar, but it turned out that there were no free-grazing cockroaches in St. Petersburg.

        We went to the Kondratievsky market, where we bought red-haired, mustachioed ones. Why they sell them there, I don't know. The rat itself successfully got into the frame for us, no one bought or brought it.

        - Cockroaches were brought from St. Petersburg and poured out of a jar in Samara hospitals?

        - Yes, it's a simple matter. Collection of signatures, removal of the coffin to the administration. As I understand it, the videos were made so that Prigozhin would take someone, the right person, to get contracts. The videos (available to the editors) were not made for wide viewing, but this slipped through the local news.

        - Has the result been achieved?

        - Yes. As I was told, at that time the task was completed.
        Read more on the Kompromat portal: https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova


        Alexander - 111: "Russia has only two allies, these are the Army and the Navy"
        This saying has not lost its relevance to this day.
        Question: WHO hits the Army during the war?
        ---
        Prigozhin says that in his PMC military issues are dealt with by the military and he does not go there (presumably: because he does not understand)
        Great!
        That's just why he then climbs into the work of the Moscow Region?
        ---
        The enemy hopes to destroy us from within.
        And excessive losses can revolt our society. Excessive casualties most often occur during an offensive.
        That is why the Defense Ministry decided to minimize losses and switched to strategic defense.
        Advance only if the enemy's resistance is significantly weakened.
        ---
        Why demand decisive, offensive actions from the Ministry of Defense, if the resistance is still great?
        To increase losses and cause unrest in the country?

        Then topple power and negotiate with the West.
        1. +1
          8 March 2023 02: 19
          Quote: flicker
          Why demand decisive, offensive actions from the Ministry of Defense, if the resistance is still great?
          Drowned in the comments for the right to make public statements, citing Prigogine as an example. I mean, if the Defense Ministry does not fulfill any obligations in relation to its PMC and the tasks facing it, which makes the solution of these tasks impossible, or threatens the death of a large number of fighters ... I did not expect such a statement from him: Generalissimo, not less.
    2. AUL
      -5
      7 March 2023 10: 03
      And Roman unpleasantly surprised me with this article! He started with the fact that it is unethical to poke around in the details of the lives of relatives of various figures, and then he himself slipped into such picking. Where is the logic?
      PS This is without reference to any figure.
      1. +20
        7 March 2023 10: 55
        Quote from AUL
        And Roman unpleasantly surprised me with this article!

        Mda-ah. How many smart words in the article. And it all came down to - you don’t need to touch the kids. Who are they to touch them? Here MO must be touched, be sure ... But, culturally, without a damn about it, politely and correctly.
        The only thing I agree with is that it was impossible for Prigozhin to enter into an argument with the Moscow Region in the media.
        1. +13
          7 March 2023 17: 26
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          The only thing I agree with is that it was impossible for Prigozhin to enter into an argument with the Moscow Region in the media.

          This dispute should not have appeared at all if everyone did the same thing, with the same perseverance and intelligence. By the way, ammunition is never delivered according to requests, applications. Even the pass for the representative of the PMC was annulled. The king is silent, the sycophants are "fighting". So they would have fought in another place and with such zeal. If the issue of ammunition is not resolved even through the media, the QUESTION is how to solve it?
        2. +10
          7 March 2023 19: 20
          Not Dud, Stolyarov and Lebedev (which is Nekoglai, now an active assistant to the Armed Forces of Ukraine) have a real influence on what is happening, although they are trying. They are not the heroes of today, it is not necessary to talk about them.

          Dear colleagues, I will say this.
          The world turned upside down a year ago. And suddenly it became clear that we needed not nonentities like Loboda, Nazarov and Milokhin (I’m generally silent about some domestic London oligarchs), but those who really collect for the needs of the NWO.
          Yuriy Podolyaka collected more than 300 million rubles with his collection in a few days. Well, just list at least someone who can help ours. "Katya Valya DPR", for example; Ivan Otrakovsky collects, Mikhail Borisovich Onufrienko gives tips on who to transfer. There is the Sergei Mikheev Foundation. Dmitry Konanykhin ("Older Edda") collects, military commander Andrey Rudenko also publishes contacts. So, offhand, I wrote those to whom I listed.
          From a hundred rubles each - will not decrease. This is me figuratively. If "VO" announced a collection for the needs of the SVO, I would pass it with pleasure. By the way, the site has a huge potential for this! With full respect to Vadim Smirnov and administration! soldier

          Because there is no point in hoping for pseudo-"our" moneybags, who are afraid of the future single collection for the needs ... Collect, help!
          We have no other Motherland, my friends... soldier
          1. +5
            7 March 2023 19: 55
            Quote: Pane Kohanku

            From a hundred rubles each - will not decrease. This is me figuratively. If "VO" announced a collection for the needs of the SVO, I would pass it with pleasure. By the way, the site has a huge potential for this! With full respect to Vadim Smirnov and administration!

            On the one hand, it seems that there is where to take it, but on the other hand, why should VO stand aside? I support.
            1. +5
              7 March 2023 22: 50
              On the one hand, it seems that there is where to take it, but on the other hand, why should VO stand aside? I support.

              That's it, and I'm with you. drinks

              To be honest, I don’t know the intricacies of the legislation on transfers and responsibility for this ...

              But our site really has a huge potential for fees.

              There are at least three people "in the know" of Donbass - Staver, Skomorokhov, Biryukov.
              If the site itself does not collect - let these authors write the card numbers (indicating the bank!), Who needs help, who is engaged in purchases or sewing uniforms. Necessarily - videos from YouTube about those to whom we transfer, or links to "telegrams". This is necessary for trust, of course! soldier

              Yes, this is a must! Any pair of gloves, any new tent or dugout stove will help our warriors.
              It's easy, dear administration. And hopefully not punishable. hi

              And we will help. If the esteemed Yu.I. Podolyaka collected 300 million through the "People's Front", what is it worth for us, hundreds of participants in the VO forum, to collect at least a million?

              Guys, we need help! soldier
              1. +1
                7 March 2023 23: 40
                https://t.me/ctaai, Внедорожное сообщество "Стая" , г. Луга, Ленинградская область. Именно этим и занимается, помогает фронту!
                1. 0
                  8 March 2023 21: 08
                  This is exactly what he does, he helps the front!

                  Stanislav, the city of Luga is a landmark for me, I myself am from Leningrad, I often drive by, my relatives live there. soldier
                  I'll write it off privately. Thank you! drinks
                  Is it gratitude to them?

                  https://yandex.ru/video/preview/8701851701265582549
          2. +7
            7 March 2023 22: 07
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            Yuri Podolyaka

            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            list. There is the Sergei Mikheev Foundation.

            I trust them. I transfer even if not a lot of money, I trust the Orthodox Russian Church. Priests travel from Sevastopol to Zaporozhye, Kherson. There people are waiting for them. They carry things, food, medicines. And by the way, they die under shelling, No matter how they hang around Dubai ..
            1. +3
              7 March 2023 22: 51
              No matter how they hang around Dubai ..

              Answered above, Yuri! drinks
              We need a scheme for publishing the necessary contacts with the necessary reporting, at least schematically. It's just that our people have been deceived so many times that some will be distrustful of various voluntary fundraisers...
              Organize it! And we will help! soldier From two hundred rubles each will not decrease, I smoke more a day ... drinks
        3. 0
          7 March 2023 19: 34
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          The only thing I agree with is that it was impossible for Prigozhin to enter into an argument with the Moscow Region in the media.

          I agree to all 100.
          I bow my head before the heroism of the Wagnerites.
          But I cannot fully share all of Prigogine's claims. He is undoubtedly an outstanding leader. who created a unique volunteer highly professional and motivated structure. But he solves problems on a relatively narrow front.
          The General Staff is responsible not only for the Donetsk front, but also for the state of affairs from the Arctic to Syria and from Kaliningrad to the Kuriles. And the contingent everywhere is far from selective.
          It is well known that by the beginning of the NMD we did not have enough ground forces to operate in Ukraine. During the Second World War, Ukraine was liberated by 4 fronts numbering 3,2 million. We had! 80 thousand, but it was no longer possible to delay. They risked a blitz, which failed. but it would be unwise not to try. Therefore, we had to leave part of the territories. Rolling a barrel for this on the General Staff is either stupid or not entirely decent.
          To wage war today with Soviet traditions - mass heroism to achieve the tasks set - means incurring huge losses, which many of our "partners" would be glad to see. But then Russia, in terms of demography, loses its strategic perspective and future.
          Personally, I am inclined to believe that the General Staff's strategy for saving people today is the right one. No matter how indignant neither cunning hidden enemies nor narrow-minded jingoistic patriots are.
          And Prigozhin, an outstanding organizer, should still think more about the country and less about his ambition.
          1. +7
            7 March 2023 20: 45
            And how does MO respond? Is there a war there? Or are enemy troops concentrated there, ready for an invasion or other strike? Or is someone preparing more NWOs in the northwest, east, south of the country and other places? I had a chance to look at Shoigu's speech, which was replicated today, as if with a fresh look. It was not even it that struck with its dullness and emptiness, but the appearance of the generals present. Almshouse, and only. Barely alive grandfathers with multi-star ladies to boot. Against their background, even Prigozhin is a man, a peasant, an activist, although, of course, he is a businessman, and even a former inmate. When you read what is happening in the NVO zone, you invariably wonder how the RF Ministry of Defense is doing the opposite of what it should do according to the rules of military tactics, what the leadership of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht did during WWII, what the Americans and NATO did during their successful military operations against Iraq, Syria and Yugoslavia. And don't twist the facts. Ukraine, along with Crimea and Moldova, was liberated by 4 fronts in the Second World War, the total number of which was about 2,5 million people. They were opposed by about the same number of enemy troops: German, Romanian, Hungarian, Italian, Croatian, Slovak, Bandera, Vlasov and other collaborators. At the front against Germany and its European allies during the Second World War, approximately 50-55% of all military units of the USSR were simultaneously involved. Now at the front, with the exception of the formation of the LDNR, Wagnerites and other volunteers, there are 15-20% of the military personnel of the Ministry of Defense and the Republic of Belarus, and if you do not count the mobilized, then probably not much more than 10%. Volunteers, LDNR-tsy and mobilized, probably already make up about half of the entire Russian front group. And the vast majority of the regular army and the National Guard of Russia sit in the rear. Russian military aviation is also used very passively. And do not star about demographics! In Russia, together with new territories and Ukrainian refugees, even without gasters, there are more than 150 million, and in Ukraine - about 30 million. And why does demography not prevent them from holding the front? Yes, because a strange military operation is being conducted against them, and they are fighting against Russia. And how can you achieve the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, if even in a year they could not liberate the Donbass, and no one, except Prigozhin, from those in power, is particularly striving for this!
            1. 0
              8 March 2023 16: 52
              during the Second World War, approximately 50-55% of all military units of the USSR were simultaneously involved.

              Then there were no satellites and drones, but now there is and a large concentration of troops will be immediately destroyed.
          2. -7
            7 March 2023 22: 02
            all the claims of Prigogine. He is undoubtedly an outstanding leader. created a unique volunteer highly professional and motivated structure.
            Well, actually it was not he who created it, but Dmitry Utkin.
            And how and in what Prigogine is a great master, you can read here:
            https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova

            Here is just a small excerpt from there.
            They made staged videos with cockroaches in hospitals, with dissatisfied patients, with picketers.

            There was difficulty. It was necessary to launch cockroaches into hospitals. It turned out to be a problem. They thought that they could catch and put them in a jar, but it turned out that there were no free-grazing cockroaches in St. Petersburg.

            We went to the Kondratievsky market, where we bought red-haired, mustachioed ones. Why they sell them there, I don't know. The rat itself successfully got into the frame for us, no one bought or brought it.

            - Cockroaches were brought from St. Petersburg and poured out of a jar in Samara hospitals?

            - Yes, it's a simple matter. Collection of signatures, removal of the coffin to the administration. As I understand it, the videos were made so that Prigozhin would take someone, the right person, to get contracts. The videos (available to the editors) were not made for wide viewing, but this slipped through the local news.

            - Has the result been achieved?

            - Yes. As I was told, at that time the task was completed.
            Read more on the Kompromat portal: https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova
          3. -4
            8 March 2023 15: 38
            And Prigozhin, an outstanding organizer, should still think more about the country and less about his ambition.

            Yeah, he is also an outstanding manipulator and his speeches are ambiguous:
            Such masters exist only in the bowels of the General Staff or in Soyuzmultfilm.
            By the way, thanks for the question, very timely. I have a huge request to all respected journalists. Let's stop running ahead of the locomotive and telling that we took Bakhmut and what will happen after him. After all, in a sad story about unkilled bear it says that let's not share the skin, but no one talks about the consequences of when they try to remove this skin from a still living bear.
            Let us calmly fill up this bear. Believe me, we are doing everything for this, although we are still not given ammunition, military equipment, weapons, and vehicles.

            He chose an interesting image.
        4. -5
          8 March 2023 12: 48
          The only thing I agree with is that it was impossible for Prigozhin to enter into an argument with the Moscow Region in the media.

          "Russia has only two allies, these are the Army and the Navy"
          Without the media, he would not have entered into an argument - during military operations he hits the Army, and in order to make the blows more sensitive, he wants to attract the public to his side.
          He wants the public to help him destroy the Army, the one that is the only ally of Russia.
          So who is he after that?
        5. 0
          9 March 2023 20: 05
          and how could he get from the Ministry of Defense that his people, howling and dying for Russia, be uninterruptedly provided with supplies of ammunition. Only voicing the problem in the media will be able to somehow influence the command of the Ministry of Defense.
      2. -1
        7 March 2023 21: 58
        He started with the fact that it is unethical to poke around in the details of the lives of relatives of various figures, and then he himself slipped into such picking. Where is the logic?
        And the logic is that this is exactly what he wanted to write about.
    3. +11
      7 March 2023 10: 20
      Yesterday, for the first time in a long time, I watched “An Evening with Vladimirov Solovyov” (part of the program). Couldn't figure out what was so interesting.


      I, too, yesterday for the first time in a long time looked, but probably most of it, because I have a completely different impression.
      There was not a discussion, but the appearance of a discussion. Solovyov was frankly rude, interrupting his opponents, shouting at them with rhetorical questions. And his odes to the oligarchs, who are not there, is generally something.
    4. +6
      7 March 2023 11: 00
      What do you mean when will we start? the forts of Kronstadt have been liberated and planted ... business is booming
      1. +6
        8 March 2023 08: 59
        Here one more question is somehow bashfully dispensed with: what will happen after the NWO? No one promised to build socialism-communism, a society of social justice. Actually, in general, no one promises anything after the end of the NWO. So what will happen? Again: “pasta is the same everywhere”, “no money, but hold on”, “they didn’t ask to give birth”, “not enough money, go into business”, etc.?
        1. +1
          8 March 2023 09: 20
          There will be either "February" or "the winners will not be judged."
          1. +2
            8 March 2023 10: 19
            Another funny thing. I asked a similar question here on another forum, and right there a chorus of those who thought to themselves that they say socialism will begin to be built again, a society of social justice without the poor and rich, the new USSR, will again be "as before", again - "forward to communism", etc. And among this chorus, only a few voices were heard of those who asked in bewilderment: "Why on earth did you take all this? Who promised you all this, officially?" request
    5. 0
      8 March 2023 10: 48
      Yeah. If you listen, country cellars began to hold 152-mm shells.
  2. +5
    7 March 2023 05: 14
    I'm afraid that Prigogine may repeat the fate of Menshikov
    1. +5
      7 March 2023 09: 11
      Quote: svp67
      I'm afraid that Prigogine may repeat the fate of Menshikov

      Oleg? No.
      Alexander Danilovich Menshikov
      Russian statesman and military figure, closest associate and favorite of Peter I, generalissimo, admiral. First St. Petersburg Governor-General, President of the Military Collegium.

      The fates of Menshikov and Prigogine can only be united by the food trade. The first traded pies (as a child, according to some sources), the second was able to organize a restaurant business and found a way to the heart through the stomach...
      It is unlikely that Yevgeny Prigozhin will be satisfied with the role of an exile (recluse) in some Muhoska ... Not that type of personality.
      1. 0
        7 March 2023 12: 46
        No, it's probably about MenьShikov Mikhail.
      2. 0
        7 March 2023 19: 40
        Rather, the fate of the Master of the Order of the Knights Templar, Jacques de Molay, shines.
        1. Alf
          +5
          7 March 2023 20: 09
          Quote: 1z1
          Rather, the fate of the Master of the Order of the Knights Templar, Jacques de Molay, shines.

          But here is a historical moment - After de Molay was burned and he expressed a certain "wish" at the stake, the Capetian clan was cut short within a year ... No matter how Prigozhin said this word too ...
        2. +4
          7 March 2023 20: 47
          Maurice Druon in "Damned Kings" describes the scene of the burning of Jacques de Molay. Before his death, Jacques shouted a prophecy-curse to King Philip IV the Handsome and his descendants up to the seventh generation. In fairness, we note that the fate of the descendants of the Iron King really turned out to be unenviable. But together with the king and his sons (by the way, the Coadjutor of the king Angerran de Marigny ended his days on the Montfaucon gallows), the people of France also paid. And famine, and epidemics, and the Hundred Years War. Did ordinary people need it? Here is Prigozhin, if, God forbid, he turns out to be in the place of Jacques de Molay, he can prophesy this - with his level of awareness!
  3. +5
    7 March 2023 05: 15
    it is appropriate to recall the consolidation for the sake of victory
    This applies to EVERYONE!
    And then some do not know this, and therefore squabbles!
    1. +16
      7 March 2023 06: 00
      This applies to EVERYONE!
      During the years of WWI, something was not particularly consolidated, but during the years of the Second World War they consolidated? And those who regularly travel to Dubai do not particularly want to consolidate, and the St. George ribbons on May 9 are catchy, like thanks to grandfather ..
      1. +22
        7 March 2023 07: 47
        I don’t justify Papa Shoigu in any way, because the same Leonid Ilyich couldn’t do anything with the unlucky daughter. But! There is a war. The other day I met a fellow villager, a fighter. He is on a short vacation. in a dry climate, they get wet) .... I remembered about "Vanka for the attack ......" After all, it may turn around so that many will not have time to dump in the Emirates ...
        1. +6
          7 March 2023 13: 42
          I don’t justify daddy Shoigu in any way
          And here, to whom the SVO, and to whom the mother is related, the rich will become richer, the poor poorer, and on both sides.
        2. +2
          7 March 2023 22: 11
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          ... I remembered about "Vanka for the attack ......"After all, it may turn around so that many will not have time to dump in the Emirates...

          good hi
  4. +31
    7 March 2023 05: 24
    And here it is appropriate to recall the consolidation for the sake of victory
    After reading, I’m already burning with desire to consolidate with the indicated people in the article ... Who goes where, and who goes to Dubai, and in droves.
    YOU!
    To you, living for an orgy orgy,
    having a bath and warm toilet!
    Shame on you about submitting to George
    read from the columns of newspapers?
    Do you know, talentless, many,
    thinking it's better to get drunk, -
    maybe now footbomb
    Petrova ransomed lieutenant? ..
    If he, brought to the slaughter,
    suddenly saw wounded
    how do you smear a lip in a meatball
    lustfully sing a northerner!
    Do you like women yes dishes
    give life to please?
    I'm better in a bar ****** women with low social responsibility will be
    serve pineapple water! .Yes, kanesh, you found out, this is Mayakovsky, 1915. He no longer writes how the bayonets of the red mustache at Wilhelm fell from the battles in East Prussia ... All this reminds me of something.
  5. +7
    7 March 2023 05: 29
    Thank you for the article. What do you agree with:
    Discussing and persecuting distant relatives is wrong. If you condemn and discuss the actions or inaction of responsible persons.
    As for Shoigu's daughter, even under Stalin, the son was not responsible for his father. Why now the father should be responsible for the daughter? Yes, there should be no untouchables, and if there are facts of violation of the law, when his daughter, if something has violated them, they should be sent to the bodies of inquiry. And yes, I understand perfectly well that the possibilities of the daughter of the Minister of Defense and the girl from the outback are, to put it mildly, unequal in our democratic country, however, as in any other democratic and non-democratic one, too. And yes, I do not think that this is good and right. But this is a separate big topic.
    It is wrong to deprive citizenship of those who left the country - those who do not want to fight in the NMD, if only because:
    since 2014, our state has been negotiating with those who shot and fired at the same Russians as the citizens of the Russian Federation
    most of the members of the Government, . high-ranking officials, deputies, children are not in the SVO. These citizens themselves 2 or even a dozen citizenships and accounts outside the Russian Federation, their family members live abroad, study, have capital.
    once the former President sent us all into business, and now he wonders why people choose their personal interest, and not the public good ....
    Surprisingly, the goals of the NWO have not yet been clearly voiced. That is, people are offered a real opportunity to die and do not even want to bother to explain what we want in the end ... (this does not mean that I support those who do not go to serve or do not wish peace and real freedom to Donbass and all Russians in spirit on Ukraine)
    To deprive ordinary citizens of property and even freedom for speech, while big capital takes out funds in wagons, someone directly and openly finances our enemies, committing actions that qualify as a minimum as financing terrorism, and as a maximum treason to the Motherland and for good with the highest measure social protection ... And then our Guarantor talks about the construction of capitalism - and in it capital has no boundaries, just like capital and homeland do not, only the rate of return and, depending on it, the level of acceptable risks.
    1. +20
      7 March 2023 06: 16
      even under Stalin, the son was not responsible for his father
      - why repeat this props all the time? And then the children were responsible for the fathers, and the fathers for the children, and now the same thing ...
      1. +35
        7 March 2023 06: 38
        You can certainly say that fathers are not responsible for children. But here the question is where did more than 70% of the new equipment in the army go and who mastered the money of the Moscow Region on "patriotism" and construction. Not so harmless daughter with a blogger.
        1. +10
          7 March 2023 09: 21
          Quote: Vladimir M
          Not so harmless daughter with a blogger...

          ... so that they can’t think out with their stupidity that abroad they can be deprived of their civil rights on orders from above (the United States) and become a bargaining chip in disputes and solving political issues due to family ties with the RF Ministry of Defense.
        2. LMN
          -8
          7 March 2023 22: 36
          But here the question is where did more than 70% of the new equipment in the army go?

          If it's not a secret, where does 70% of the missing new equipment come from in the army?
          Judging by the pluses, at least 24 more people own the source.

          Thank you hi
          1. +3
            8 March 2023 12: 10
            Quote: LMN
            at least 24 people own the source

            Source? And the source is at the forefront for everyone to see. You can, of course, declare - I see it here, but not here! I delve into the official report from the Ministry of Defense on the presence of a staggering percentage of "modern equipment and weapons" in the troops, but "I don't see" T-62 tanks, "Hurricanes" and so on ... "of the times of Ochakov and the conquest of Crimea!" No, well, in terms of embellishment and all sorts of pendants on the uniform, here we are in a global trend ... just a cockade on a field (!!!) cap the size of a palm is worth something ...
      2. +1
        8 March 2023 12: 21
        About being responsible for now - can you give examples in the Russian Federation when the actions of adult children were punished by a court decision - modern leaders from the state apparatus were deprived of their freedom? Well, they didn’t punish him criminally, but they removed him from his post? I am not aware of such facts.
        Half the period of Soviet power.
        I don't have statistics on how many family members were expelled, imprisoned - this does not mean that this did not happen - it did and does not mean, in my opinion, that this is the right policy.
        To erect the right to deprive freedom, the life of relatives for the crimes of a person who is related to them is not only a mistake, it is a crime in itself.
        Even a defeat in terms of rights, for example, a ban on enrolling relatives, sons, daughters of enemies of the people in universities ... Let's imagine yours, my cousin, sister committed a crime qualified by the criminal code as a criminal one, for example, in a state of intoxication, he knocked a person to death on a red color . You don’t know about the life of this relative and don’t want to know, but you are up to a bunch or in prison or in settlements - is that normal?
        Or even suppose my, your father, according to the current criminal code, was recognized as a person who was a spy for Japanese, British or some other intelligence. And what ? For decades now I have been living not just separately, but 2500 km away from them. And what about me, you, too, to the heap in jail? Are you seriously ? I no longer go into details - how they got evidence of guilt and so on.
        On the third hand: a person can have many children, and if one of his children, for various, any reasons, committed a crime, what would cross out everyone's life?
        Where is the justice in this approach? She is not. What is the point of such an approach?
        I repeat, I'm not talking about considering Shoigu a saint, his relatives untouchable - I'm just for the equality of everyone before the law. There are facts - to the authorities. No facts - slander.
        I also think that relatives of public figures should be in the area of ​​public attention. This is fine. Let me just remind you that we have capitalism and there is no reason to demand equality and fraternity. We have capitalism with individual inclusions of Orthodoxy, which in general does not answer the question of equality and brotherhood ...
        Than to put everyone in a row, it is better to create a transparent system where income and expenses, assets and liabilities are visible. And the requirements for justifying the sources of origin of capital. Recruitment and promotion system. The system of elections and the system of recall of both deputies and other heads of administrations and ministries at the level of the village-city-region-country. And the fact that under capitalism 95% of citizens have no prospects other than to pull the current strap, is Shoigu to blame for this?
        1. 0
          8 March 2023 20: 06
          Well, they didn’t punish him criminally, but they removed him from his post? I am not aware of such facts.
          - they do not rent, but offer "at their own request", and this is not advertised.
          Where is the justice in this approach?
          Who is talking about justice?
          I also think that relatives of public figures should be in the area of ​​public attention.
          - that's right, got into public politics (and any minister is a public politician), please bear this burden and the family must bear it, or don't go ... Everyone knows that dad patronizes his daughters, but apparently he couldn’t convey something to her understanding...
    2. +31
      7 March 2023 09: 47
      The father should be responsible for the daughter, he is obliged. Because this daughter has everything that she has only thanks to her father, without him she is 0. He went and asked for her, perhaps he ruined the careers of more worthy and smart ones, and since I don’t know anything, I don’t answer for anything. That doesn't happen.
      1. +2
        8 March 2023 12: 36
        At the conceptual level, I think it is 99,99999% clear that by itself, if his daughter were born in some village, of course, she would not become such a business woman. It is obvious. The second less obvious in a cap country, becoming rich is not a crime, but the norm, however, as well as a beggar.
        Could dad help his daughter - could. Whether the help was criminally punishable, let the authorities sort it out, that's not what matters. What's important? And the important thing is that 99% of the Russian Federation to become such business women, exchanges does not shine from the word at all. And it's all legal. This is the problem... And it is even in the law - enrichment is legally allowed and encouraged in every possible way. We have capitalism where everything is for someone and a very small number, and the rest to be their servants and nothing personal ... And it doesn’t matter if you are better than this daughter, Shoigu, worse. Personal qualities and your efforts have little and almost nothing to do with the level of your well-being. That is, for the vast majority there are no prospects. There are no good prospects. As well as for their children. Only this is the problem. And the surname of a particular person, and even more so the dignity of his loved ones, is the twenty-ninth question ...
    3. +7
      7 March 2023 11: 07
      Quote: gromovanton
      As for Shoigu's daughter, even under Stalin, the son was not responsible for his father.

      For some crimes - were.
      58-1c. In the event of a soldier's escape or flight abroad, the adult members of his family, if they in any way contributed to the impending or committed treason, or at least knew about it, but did not bring it to the attention of the authorities, are punished - by imprisonment for a term of 5 to 10 years with the confiscation of all property.

      The remaining adult members of the traitor's family who lived with him or were dependent on him at the time the crime was committed are subject to the deprivation of voting rights and exile to remote areas of Siberia for 5 years.

      And that's just the official CC. And how many decrees were there that expanded the circle of CHSIR.
    4. +24
      7 March 2023 11: 11
      Quote: gromovanton
      As for Shoigu's daughter, even under Stalin, the son was not responsible for his father.

      How is this not an answer? Shoigu is a media figure. And the deeds of his children directly concern and characterize him. In order to maintain his reputation, he needs to call the military registration and enlistment office to send a summons to his son-in-law.
      1. +5
        7 March 2023 22: 15
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        he needs to call the military registration and enlistment office to send a summons to the son-in-law.

        It is necessary to collect the daughter in Tuva, and the son-in-law, shave the head, collect the cider and send it to Wagner.
  6. +5
    7 March 2023 06: 24
    The media always have an order to highlight all sorts of nonsense. If you believe the "Internet", then the army has been standing for half a year, because there is a conflict of interests between the generals and PMCs.
    As if there are no basic problems with communications, weapons systems and economic mobilization.
    ps Rybar singled out the fact that in the Bakhmut direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine intensively use up to 8-10 (!) Aviation units against the advancing ones. am ..................But only "Prigozhin's series" can be legitimately commented on. request
  7. +5
    7 March 2023 06: 25
    Squabbles during the war are not only inappropriate, but also criminal and it doesn’t matter who started first and because of what. Apparently, this can be stopped only by calling on the carpet to the Supreme with the arrangement of all points over I.
  8. +18
    7 March 2023 06: 27
    "Some kind of rot in the state of Danish ..."

    Society is rotten to the core. The fish rots no matter where, if it is already dead. This can be seen in all discourses, from the skirmish of commentators on the Web to relations at the top. The main argument at all levels is poking fingers or a fist at each other.

    I remember the impression from the first reading of Guderian's book "Memoirs of a Soldier" - the general of the army of murderers and "robbers, tormentors of people" - writes about his colleagues as the most worthy and the best! One would think that his teachers are noble knights.

    And the victorious Soviet generals are pouring slops on each other and on the Supreme Commander.
    Tradition, sir ..... Slave tradition does not respect anyone except the current Master. Drown everyone who fell under the arm. Or they will drown you.

    Well, when, instead of the old Barin, a new one arrives, a new one in the legs, an old boot in the teeth, as the famous Russophobe writer Turgenev used to say.
    1. +16
      7 March 2023 09: 01
      Quote: ivan2022
      And the victorious Soviet generals are pouring slops on each other and on the Supreme Commander.

      I read Rokosovsky, Zhukov, I didn’t see slops. There were different assessments of situations, but no more.
      1. +1
        7 March 2023 10: 32
        Quote: qqqq
        Quote: ivan2022
        And the victorious Soviet generals are pouring slops on each other and on the Supreme Commander.

        I read Rokosovsky, Zhukov, I didn’t see slops. There were different assessments of situations, but no more.

        Zhukov blamed the failures of the first period on Stalin. Although the war was won. And Zhukov was the head of the General Staff from the beginning of 1941. And in July he received a pendal in the ass for messing up.
        1. 0
          7 March 2023 11: 29
          Quote: ivan2022
          Zhukov was the head of the General Staff from the beginning of 1941

          And what did he do there? He left because Stalin interfered in management. By the way, if Zhukov NS was at least a couple more months, then there might not have been a Kyiv cauldron. Khrushchev's editing fell on Stalin. Again, Stalin had mistakes and why not point them out. There were no slops.
    2. +4
      7 March 2023 11: 13
      Quote: ivan2022
      I remember the impression from the first reading of Guderian's book "Memoirs of a Soldier" - the general of the army of murderers and "robbers, tormentors of people" - writes about his colleagues as the most worthy and the best! One would think that his teachers are noble knights.

      And the victorious Soviet generals are pouring slops on each other and on the Supreme Commander.

      It's just that the army of losers had a magnificent scapegoat on which to blame their crimes and blunders. Why drown your own if there is a possessed corporal appointed guilty of everything. And what could not be blamed on Adolf can be blamed on the SS.
      And now, few people remember that the same prisoner-of-war camps (which became death camps) were run by the army, and the orders for commissars and special jurisdiction were carried out by the army.
    3. +11
      7 March 2023 11: 15
      The fact that "the fish turned out to be rotten" is obvious to everyone. Do you think there are fools in the West? And the situation is not calculated. We realized that Russia, driven to the extreme by years of reforms and mediocre leadership, can be dumped. And the biathlon parade army is worth nothing. (colossus with feet of clay) remember? History repeats itself. And she taught us nothing, although there was a lot of naked PR. But do we have the strength to endure? Judging by what is happening, I doubt it? Or there are full kritins sitting !!!
    4. +2
      8 March 2023 00: 16
      as the famous Russophobe writer Turgenev used to say.
      In vain you are so about Turgenev. hi
      Ivan Turgenev
      Russian language (Poem in prose)
      In days of doubt, in days of painful reflections on the fate of my homeland, you alone are my support and support, O great, powerful, truthful and free Russian language! Without you, how not to fall into despair at the sight of everything that happens at home? But you can not believe that such a language was not given to the great people!

      November 1882, XNUMX
  9. +19
    7 March 2023 06: 40
    whoever Prigogine was before the NVO, but in order for Russia to agree and give permission to create a military structure in non-law enforcement agencies with artillery, aircraft and tanks, this should be
    a person who is one thousand percent loyal and devoted to Putin. This should be the weight of the Wagner command staff. So without the personal sympathy and devotion of the arcs to the friend of Putin and Prigozhin, no one would have given permission to create such a military structure. And here Shoigu clearly loses, since he runs into
    Shoigu and the entire Moscow Region would be allowed only to a person to whom Putin gave the go-ahead. It won't be
    wait for Putin, when, offended by Shoigu, he runs into the most trusted and most devoted person to Putin. In any case, such intrigue at such a time is not good!
    1. +3
      7 March 2023 06: 59
      It seems that not everything is "good in the Danish kingdom" if a private company is created, which, in terms of its composition and weapons, can fight and, moreover, successfully, against the regular army.
      1. +5
        7 March 2023 08: 26
        It seems that not everything is "good in the Danish kingdom"
        And before, it was not like? "Everything was good in the Kingdom of Denmark"?
    2. +13
      7 March 2023 09: 05
      Quote: north 2
      In any case, such intrigue at such a time is not good!

      And no other way. The screwed-up bureaucrats must leave, no matter how they themselves or they are removed. Our Ministry of Defense at the head demonstrated complete incompetence, and even with very great suspicion of drinking dough in peacetime. The system does not abandon its own, but greed and ambition do not allow us to leave. Only the removal to the public space of everything that people openly talk about gives hope for a change in the situation. But personally, I don't believe in it.
    3. +11
      7 March 2023 09: 38
      Quote: north 2
      And here Shoigu is clearly losing, since only a person to whom Putin gave the go-ahead would be allowed to run into Shoigu and the entire Moscow Region.

      There is a small inconsistency here. No one ran into Shoigu. Moreover, for the state of the Armed Forces, which was demonstrated at the beginning of the SVO at the temporary detention center, Mr. Shoigu would have had a private conversation with Lavrenty Pavlovich long ago (only for one flagship of the Black Sea Fleet).
      The fates of these people are different: most likely, Prigozhin achieved success in his affairs by his personal competence and the ability to organize business by any means where no one had done it before him. He did not seek to give birth and attach his children to warm places.
      This cannot be said about Shoigu, who, even without serving in the Armed Forces of the USSR (RF), agreed to become the Minister of All Defense of Russia so easily, where in the end he turned out to be ONLY an OBEYABLE PERFORMER of orders and orders of the Chief Commander, ALSO not winning a single battle.
      It is today that we (Russia) continue to conduct NMD, realizing that there can be no talk of any tactics and strategy, because this is the level of WHO, knowing at the same time that our enemies, who have a higher economic, technical and military potential, OPENLY SET THE MAIN GOAL DESTRUCTION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION as a state.
      Quote: north 2
      In any case, such intrigue at such a time is not good!

      This is not intrigue! This is a banal lack of a STRATEGY that guarantees a convincing victory due to superiority in the quality of training of personnel and high performance characteristics of equipment and weapons.
      1. +5
        7 March 2023 11: 21
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Moreover, for the state of the Armed Forces, which was demonstrated at the beginning of the SVO at the temporary detention facility, Mr. Shoigu would have had a private conversation with Lavrenty Pavlovich long ago (only for one flagship of the Black Sea Fleet).

        Come on. In the first week of the war, the naval forces in the Baltic managed to drive the Maxim Gorky group onto a previously discovered minefield (KRL barely crawled to the base, one of the EMs finished off with their own), and at the World Cup drive the LD group onto mines and under fire from 11 "batteries (sunk LD "Moscow").
        Even the Northern Fleet distinguished itself in the summer of 1941: German EMs managed to drown the TFR on duty right at the exit from the base, in the sector of fire of coastal batteries, which could not decide whether to open fire on them or not. And then the air defense of the fleet overslept the raid of the Junkers, who drowned one of the "sevens" right at the pier.
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    4. +9
      7 March 2023 10: 38
      Quote: North 2
      whoever Prigogine was before the NVO, but in order for Russia to agree and give permission to create a military structure in non-law enforcement agencies with artillery, aircraft and tanks, this should be
      a person who is one thousand percent loyal and devoted to Putin. This should be the weight of the Wagner command staff. So without the personal sympathy and devotion of the arcs to the friend of Putin and Prigozhin, no one would have given permission to create such a military structure. And here Shoigu clearly loses, since he runs into
      Shoigu and the entire Moscow Region would be allowed only to a person to whom Putin gave the go-ahead. It won't be
      wait for Putin, when, offended by Shoigu, he runs into the most trusted and most devoted person to Putin. In any case, such intrigue at such a time is not good!

      Not good, that's for sure. Of course, sometimes it is necessary to take out rubbish from the hut, but the SVO is not the most suitable moment for this, and all these squabbles must be nipped in the bud, extinguishing them in the bud at the highest level. They do a common thing, and everyone has their own pocket with "trump cards". As grandfather Krylov used to say - "When there is no agreement among the comrades, their business will not go well." And figs would be with them, with their personal relationships and ambitions, but here the war is going on and ordinary fighters who, with blood and sweat, get these graters of the "fathers of commanders" are not needed in figs.
      PS-SVO generally revealed a bunch of problems both in society and in the army, and many ordinary people and government officials fell off their rose-colored glasses and came to understand that in addition to the "denazification and demilitarization" of Ukraine, the third task of Russia is to cleanse the authorities and society from liberal and pro-Western ballast. Here I liked the words of Prigozhin about artists and other cultural figures -
      1. -7
        7 March 2023 21: 29
        If not laziness, then I recommend about Prigozhin, about how he solved his problems.
        https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova
        Of course, it is necessary to filter the content of this site, but nevertheless, about how to work to suppress a competitor.
        The conflict between Prigogine and the Moscow Region is becoming clearer.

        And if laziness, then exposure
        - Have you organized any other actions outside the Network?

        - I'm telling you: everything went in parallel, 2013 was generally crazy, project after project, and on the Internet, and not only. In the autumn, we simultaneously worked at hospitals in Samara, where it was necessary to break contracts for the nutrition of patients, and at RIA Novosti throughout the country.

        — Why exactly Samara?

        - The task was set by Gulyaev. It was necessary to ensure the winning of all tenders for the supply of food to hospitals in Samara.

        And why exactly Samara - such a question was not asked, I don’t know. A list of hospitals was given in which it was necessary to do some staged actions related to poor food and unsanitary conditions. A script was submitted, an estimate, he [Gulyaev] showed it to Prigogine, it was approved, a seal was put on.

        - How many people were involved?

        - A total of 12 people. Of which four were from Prigozhin's security service. Eight - local, for the operation with the collection of signatures and staging with a coffin, which was taken out to the city administration.

        They made staged videos with cockroaches in hospitals, with dissatisfied patients, with picketers.

        There was difficulty. It was necessary to launch cockroaches into hospitals. It turned out to be a problem. They thought that they could catch and put them in a jar, but it turned out that there were no free-grazing cockroaches in St. Petersburg.


        We went to the Kondratievsky market, where we bought red-haired, mustachioed ones. Why they sell them there, I don't know. The rat itself successfully got into the frame for us, no one bought or brought it.

        Were cockroaches brought from St. Petersburg and poured out of a jar in Samara hospitals?

        - Yes, it's easy.
        . Collection of signatures, removal of the coffin to the administration. As I understand it, the videos were made so that Prigozhin would take someone, the right person, to get contracts. The videos (available to the editors) were not made for wide viewing, but this slipped through the local news.

        - Has the result been achieved?

        - Yes. As I was told, at that time the task was completed.
        [/ I]

        Read more on the Kompromat portal: https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova
        1. PPD
          0
          10 March 2023 12: 35
          There are no free range cockroaches in St. Petersburg.

          Is it true?
          Enough. And with a margin.
          Well, methods, and you look at the methods of others.
    5. 0
      7 March 2023 11: 25
      Well, actually, the first one goes fishing is not with Prigogine. But in Thailand anything can happen.
    6. -2
      7 March 2023 21: 49
      but in order for Russia to agree and give permission to create a military structure in non-law enforcement agencies with artillery, aircraft and tanks, this should be
      a person who is one thousand percent loyal and devoted to Putin

      To clarify a little and it will become clearer, such a structure as PMC Wagner (legally, such a structure does not seem to be registered) could not be created without Putin's permission. And in this you are absolutely right.
      In 2014, there was a need to help the Donbass, and at the same time, help was supposed to be outside the Russian Defense Ministry.
      And so the idea came up to create a SQUAD of retired professional military men.
      But such a structure had to be financed and the idea of ​​a PMC arose. Who and how proposed it is not clear, but one thing is for sure, that the person who could be entrusted with this was a) very rich and b) close to Putin.
      According to such criteria, either Arkady Rotenberg or Yuri Kovalchuk were suitable. But Prigogine was by no means a person close to Putin, but he could well be close to one of these two.

      It turns out that Prigozhin is only the manager of the Wagner PMC, appointed by one of the oligarchs close to Putin.
  10. +4
    7 March 2023 07: 03
    The article is relevant, but there is one question that, in a strange way, is always bypassed: "What does the billionaire businessman and public figure Prigozhin have to do with the Wagner PMC?

    It does not matter whether he was in prison or not, it is important that he does not have a military education. He's basically a pharmacist.

    Almost all publications about him begin with the phrase "the founder of the PMC", for which these articles are written. In fact, "Wagner" is the call sign of the founder of the PMC, Lieutenant Colonel Utkin.

    Apparently, the whole point is that without the word "founder" - the connection between Prigozhin and PMCs cannot be explained to society at all ..... And everything is clear to everyone: the founder understands ....
    1. +17
      7 March 2023 08: 03
      It does not matter whether he was in prison or not, it is important that he does not have a military education. He's basically a pharmacist.
      He is an organizer. And his officer corps is those who were expelled from the army by Marshal Taburetkin. Or those who themselves left the army under him.
      1. +1
        7 March 2023 08: 39
        Quote: Aviator_
        He is an organizer. And his officer corps is those who were expelled from the army by Marshal Taburetkin. Or those who themselves left the army under him.

        And it was impossible to find an organizer from those you write about? Or do you think the officers are those who cannot organize anyone without a billionaire and the owner of the Concord construction company?

        No need to lie. Prigozhin has political ambitions, and everything he has to organize for Wagner in terms of supplies could be done in silence. Without notifying the whole country.

        Didn't you understand from the first time that Wagner was created and initially worked without Prigogine?
        1. +4
          7 March 2023 09: 11
          Quote: ivan2022
          Prigozhin has political ambitions, and everything he has to organize for Wagner in terms of supplies could be done in silence. Without notifying the whole country.

          Even so, but name me at least one official who would not only master the budget, but create (developed) an effective structure. Therefore, I personally would support Prigozhin in his political ambitions only on the basis that there are simply no others. At least when comparing Shoigu and Prigozhin, the choice is so obvious that it makes no sense to even compare them.
          1. -2
            7 March 2023 10: 39
            Quote: qqqq

            Even so, but name me at least one official who would not only master the budget, but create (developed) an effective structure. Therefore, I personally would support Prigozhin in his political ambitions only on the basis that there are simply no others. At least when comparing Shoigu and Prigozhin, the choice is so obvious that it makes no sense to even compare them.

            Why should I name it? Did you just write that Taburetkin fired a lot of officers? And among this mass, there is definitely "no one" and we need a military organizer from among certified pharmacists?
            You simply repeat Yeltsin's slogan: "And for whom else?" In addition to the drunk who ruined the country, there was "as if no one" in it. For 140 million, not a single normal one - I readily believe! To be like this is Destiny!
            1. -3
              7 March 2023 11: 25
              Quote: ivan2022
              Why should I name it?

              Because I don't know anyone, that's why I asked, can you tell me. But, as I understand it, there are no candidates. I can add Kiriyenko to Prigozhin, nuclear scientists seem to keep their mark
          2. -3
            8 March 2023 00: 26
            but created (developed) an effective structure.
            You can read about effective structure here:
            https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova
        2. +1
          7 March 2023 17: 41
          Well, the RSDLP without B was not created by Stalin. But you see how it turned out.
        3. 0
          8 March 2023 12: 39
          Quote: ivan2022
          Wagner was created and initially worked without Prigogine

          With all due respect... Someone, and this someone was Prigogine, invested a lot of money in the structure and proved to "you know who" the need for its existence is no longer in the rank of "public organization", which are a dime a dozen , including with a large number of dismissed officers and ensigns ... And about political ambitions ... why not. The man proved by deed the presence of high organizational skills ... so to speak, he occupies a "position" by right, and not just the fact of their "acquaintance" and belonging to a certain party.
    2. +12
      7 March 2023 08: 11
      The article made me remember the numerous criticism of the purge of the army by Stalin before the war (everyone agrees with the need for industrialization), it seems that the need for purges may be objective.
    3. PPD
      0
      10 March 2023 12: 37
      Wagner" call sign of the founder of the PMC, Lieutenant Colonel Utkin

      Do you really think that just a lieutenant colonel can cut down such a structure out of the blue? laughing
  11. +10
    7 March 2023 08: 24
    Against the background of all this, it remains to wait in the Duma for a speech "Stupidity or treason?" .. and then ... like 100 years ago, in February.
    1. +6
      7 March 2023 08: 43
      Everything is going to this. History does not teach our elite anything.
      1. +6
        7 March 2023 08: 55
        If you don't teach her, what can she teach? And then pearls are issued on historical topics ... moreover, at the state level. And children are required to know history .. And the teachers are shocked .. Did the elder say?
      2. +1
        7 March 2023 18: 07
        Yes, the top does not even know history if the seven-year war is confused with the northern one.
    2. +2
      7 March 2023 11: 37
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Against the background of all this, it remains to wait in the Duma for a speech "Stupidity or treason?"

      But you are in vain ... That Duma was "not a cake", and in this one you will not find people capable of making such a speech at all. Although, there was one that remained seated and did not applaud the American congressmen, but that one was quickly pushed away from sin. In general, a random person in this party laughing
  12. +10
    7 March 2023 09: 06
    Yes, Shoigu's authority has fallen below the plinth.
    1. +3
      8 March 2023 14: 25
      Quote: Million
      Yes, Shoigu's authority has fallen below the plinth.

      For such words, a female audience from among permanent lovers can subject the author to very harsh "criticism". Checked! laughing
  13. +6
    7 March 2023 09: 25
    Prigozhin, after all, is THERE, and Shoigu is HERE.
    It's no wonder such squabbles happen.
  14. +12
    7 March 2023 09: 28
    It’s cool that VO is promoting Prigozhin twice or thrice every day, and suddenly an anti-Prigozhin article.
    As for a business woman with a blogger husband
    an investigation into the business of Ksenia Shoigu, which has features of a corrupt nature, as well as violating the principle of conflict of interest. It was alleged that the funds used for Shoigu's business activities come from the federal budget.
  15. +6
    7 March 2023 09: 30

    Why not Ksenia Sergeevna herself, sending greetings to the Kuzmichs from the pool of an expensive hotel in Dubai? Probably because it's not possible either. Everything is like in the old Soviet joke, where the blacksmith, instead of the only drunken combine operator and his godfather, the tractor driver, offered to sweep away the groom, because there were two grooms. Steam release.

    You know, I can directly imagine that the Great Patriotic War is going on (I know that our statesmen are not worth a finger, those people who were in charge of the country) and the sons of Stalin or the adoptive actions of Voroshilov, for example, they don’t go to the front, but go to rest where anywhere in the US area. The son of one of the sons of Stalin was taken prisoner and did not come out of there alive. And so on . And the most important thing is that all such children of our elite who live behind the cardan do one thing - they accumulate class contradictions in society. And what the accumulation of class contradictions leads to is a no-brainer.
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    1. +8
      7 March 2023 10: 39
      Toadies-snarkers from the bot farm climb out to work. smile
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  18. +5
    7 March 2023 09: 51
    Before giving an assessment on this matter, we must first give an answer. Did all this happen from scratch because these people are squabblers? Or did something happen?
    1. -3
      8 March 2023 00: 34
      Did all this happen out of nowhere because these people are squabblers? Or did something happen?
      This is Prigogine's style of work:
      https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova

      They made staged videos with cockroaches in hospitals, with dissatisfied patients, with picketers.

      There was difficulty. It was necessary to launch cockroaches into hospitals. It turned out to be a problem. They thought that they could catch and put them in a jar, but it turned out that there were no free-grazing cockroaches in St. Petersburg.

      We went to the Kondratievsky market, where we bought red-haired, mustachioed ones. Why they sell them there, I don't know. The rat itself successfully got into the frame for us, no one bought or brought it.

      - Cockroaches were brought from St. Petersburg and poured out of a jar in Samara hospitals?

      - Yes, it's a simple matter. Collection of signatures, removal of the coffin to the administration. As I understand it, the videos were made so that Prigozhin would take someone, the right person, to get contracts. The videos (available to the editors) were not made for wide viewing, but this slipped through the local news.

      - Has the result been achieved?

      - Yes. As I was told, at that time the task was completed.
      Read more on the Kompromat portal: https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova
      1. 0
        9 March 2023 01: 41
        This is Prigogine's style of work:

        Cute. Other than that, not surprised.
  19. +3
    7 March 2023 10: 01
    The situation is strange. Apparently, they are afraid that both in Russia and abroad, they will later say that the CVO was won by criminals?
    1. 0
      7 March 2023 18: 30
      So the RSFSR was also created by criminals.
      They all had articles - for banditry and terrorism.

      During the Second World War, "criminals" also made their contribution to the victory over fascism.

      So what?
  20. +12
    7 March 2023 10: 20
    Sorry, but the entire personnel policy was built by the GDP and no one else, and accordingly it is responsible for all the "successes" of the state, including the withdrawal of capital to NATO countries and other betrayals and delaying the NWO.
  21. +12
    7 March 2023 10: 30
    It is ridiculous to read in a country at war about the daughter of the Minister of Defense in the Dubai basin. There is absolutely no conscience from the word. And the minister of the so-called defense, by the way, did not serve in the army. How Russia wants to attract like-minded people to itself, if the "great" power, for a year, a year, is marking time, against a much weaker enemy. Friends of the guarantor, that's all, that this Shoigu, that Taburetkin, that Ivanov, all this grows from there. when Russia becomes attractive for life, then we can talk about the Russian World. And about the children, .. it means that they were brought up in such a way that they have no conscience, no honor. And they really are not ashamed. And therefore morality is a doctor, read power heal yourself first.
    1. 0
      9 March 2023 01: 42
      We do not have a war, we have a NWO. And whoever says that there is a war, he slanders the MO.
  22. +11
    7 March 2023 10: 37
    Hence the persecution of Stolyarov, which was arranged by our z-party, is not at all clear to me.
    And what is not clear here, we still remember how the children of Stalin I.V. gave their lives for their country. Let us now take the nobles before the revolution, they also went to fight. And this newly-minted elite can only grab, tear and rest over the hill.
  23. +3
    7 March 2023 11: 09
    The most interesting thing here is the firm belief of Russian commentators that the next savior of Russia simply has to be a billionaire from the Forbes list with Jewish roots. A simple question: "What the hell do you need for a person with a fortune of 15 billion dollars, who has interests in the world in him?"

    No answer. There is only the holy faith of the serfs, that the Barin must be found. And it's impossible without a master. Since no social forces and movements other than organized crime groups can give rise to society.
  24. +2
    7 March 2023 11: 13
    [/ quote] Therefore, I would like to say in the direction of our heroes, grappling in a completely useless and even harmful information battle: gentlemen, get down to business [quote]

    Better not say!
    1. +5
      7 March 2023 12: 04
      With all my attitude towards the cook, the handsome one obviously does more for the cause than sesame.
      1. -3
        7 March 2023 14: 15
        Well, who can argue.
        But if you start promoting the Ministry of Defense half as much as they promote PMCs and, accordingly, nullify PMC advertising, then the picture will change dramatically. Is not it? (Moreover, the Minister of Defense probably has more resources?)
        Social networks + TV box is a great power!
        From the chef you plus as a gift!
  25. +3
    7 March 2023 11: 22
    It turns out like according to Vysotsky (and if you don’t catch it ...) Only now some people catch lead and other awards.
  26. +11
    7 March 2023 12: 02
    Ksyusha and her husband receive billions from the Moscow Region for no reason, for a photo report from Dubai. Therefore, since the piglets have put the stigmas in the feeder, they will respond together with the sow. Kicking dependents of plywood, kick him himself. In general, Kunzhutovich should have written a statement on his own even after the "rapid assault" of Kharkov. Since he is not a military man, we will graciously allow him not to write a letter of repentance and shoot himself in the head with a premium pistol. If his daughter and son-in-law "help" him finally make room for a normal warrior, then so be it.
  27. +9
    7 March 2023 12: 10
    All clear. Only nothing can be changed.

    We have been lied to, are being lied to, and will be lied to. And everyone will agree, nod and doze off at Putin's message.
    The same people who keep kids in NATO and rotten the development of their aviation industry for the sake of Boeing, now ardent patriots, wildly hate and directly fight NATO, but ... "the trade turnover between Russia and the EU has reached an 8-year record ... Russian exports to The European Union, which exceeded 203 billion euros."
    - from the article next.

    While they successfully made lunar landscapes with "cast iron" - everyone was a hero. Chechens, Wagnerites (which is outside the Criminal Code), policemen and Armangelon generals ....
    And as the shelling of Donetsk only intensified over the year, and they have been fighting for the "PR-strategic" Artemovsk since the summer, then there were not enough shells, and Prigozhin began to run into the generals, and it turns out that the "elite" is still in Dubai, and not in the military registration and enlistment offices , ... and it would be necessary to take everything outside the law from the commoners who left ...

    Only nothing can be changed. All the same people still lead and also send flowers to Yeltsin's DR, who divided the USSR ...
  28. +6
    7 March 2023 12: 32
    Strelkov recently announced the prospect of "staying naked and barefoot" by the end of the year. And Prigozhin talks about the prospect of fighting for another 2-3 years. In other words, to master all the resources, both human and financial, to the end, and then wave to Africa. Putting "two and two" together, we come to the conclusion that we will be led to the final quite predictably. And it will be just amazing!
  29. +12
    7 March 2023 12: 32
    What kind of victories can be expected from the Army, which for 22 years (since 2001) was headed by three defense ministers with no military education and no military experience (Ivanov, Serdyukov, Shoigu)?
    Each of them brought his own team of people who were far from the army, placed them in leadership positions, ousting professionals, and reformed the army based on their vision and understanding.
    As a result of such activities, military science and military education were ruined, instead of combat training, all sorts of shows, parades and ostentatious exercises were given priority.
    Somehow I hardly believe in the professionalism of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, which planned and is conducting a special military operation.
    The chancellor of the German Empire, Field Marshal Otto von Bismarck, who was undoubtedly a professional in military affairs, said: “Anyone who has ever looked into the glassy eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think well before starting a war. “
    I would like professionals to be at the head of the Armed Forces, then there will be many fewer dying soldiers, and the authority of the Russian army will be in its rightful place!
  30. +4
    7 March 2023 13: 18
    the author you asked a lot of stupid questions but omitted the most important one. why is there no question about the son-in-law, where is the agenda for him ??? and Prigozhin's people are suffering losses because they have few shells and more people have been wrapped up for them in other units! why are you silent about it?
  31. +9
    7 March 2023 13: 26
    It looks like the battle for Bakhmut is at a critical moment. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are gathering forces against the Wagner PMC fighters, with the help of which it is possible not only to break through the possible encirclement of their units, but also to pincer the Wagnerites. Probably, Kyiv finally decided to crack down on the ill-fated commercial military structure, which throughout the entire NMD demonstrated high combat effectiveness and spoiled the nerves not only of the Ukrainian military command, but also of their Western curators. It seems that Prigozhin, with his PR actions, also brought our military leadership out of “peace of mind”. He sharply criticized the Defense Ministry for retreating from the Kharkov region last fall and demanded the resignation of Shoigu. He laid siege to the generals when they wanted to attribute part of the merit in the capture of Soledar to themselves. In other words, a steady antipathy arose between the stripes and Prigogine. And the result of this, as they say, was not long in coming. First, "Wagner" began to experience "shell hunger." To Prigozhin's public demand to give his fighters the right amount of ammunition, the military replied that the supply would now be carried out according to certain general norms. Such an answer is discouraging. Almost all the armies of the world abandoned the normative supply of units during hostilities in the last century. In modern warfare, according to established procedures, supply chains must supply material and technical resources in accordance with the planned intensity of hostilities. But apparently this practice is unknown to our General Staff. Moreover, conceptual contradictions arose between Prigogine and the military. If the head of the Wagnerites believes that a successful commander manifests himself in the course of hostilities, then according to the views of our generals, the success of a particular rank is determined centrally and systematically, depending on the degree of loyalty to the authorities. And it's not good when some retired majors capture entire cities. It's a mess, because that's what the generals are supposed to do. As a result, PMC “Wagner” today comes under attack from both the superior forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and our Defense Ministry. Whether he will be able to break out of this “double encirclement” is still unclear.
    1. -2
      8 March 2023 00: 40
      First, “Wagner” began to experience “shell hunger”
      Are you sure that there was a "shell hunger"?
      https://kompromat1.pro/articles/101824-otkrovenija_direktora_fabriki_trollej_andreja_mihajlova
      Just about how to arrange "shell hunger".
  32. -5
    7 March 2023 14: 22
    "Yes, as a military commander, Strelkov is no longer very, after all, so many years of peaceful life ..."
    What the hell is a military leader? ..... FSB. What is it, how was the commander prepared?
    I am also a lieutenant colonel ..... Construction troops ....
    If you put a bunch of rolled metal in front of me at the rate of 35kg per 1 sq.m. (the generally accepted target figure is 50 kg per 1 sq.m.) I will easily and simply assemble an industrial building from it with the required bearing capacity. Without any project! But, unfortunately, they didn’t train me as a military leader.
    Therefore, I understand my price, and I understand people like him very well.
    1. AUL
      +3
      7 March 2023 18: 40
      Quote: akela_sp
      What the hell is a military leader? ..... FSB. What is it, how was the commander prepared?

      Are you hinting at our Commander-in-Chief? Oh no no no! stop
  33. +6
    7 March 2023 15: 00
    I thought mine and the threat of an external enemy would unite our military and political leadership, and at all levels everyone would work for victory. But what I see, some kind of fuss, resentment, reproaches, then I won’t give a shell, then what else, then someone wants to snatch an order better. Meanwhile, all this costs people's lives at the forefront. In peacetime, let them do what they want, but now this situation causes nothing but disgust.
  34. 0
    7 March 2023 16: 25
    In general, the show that Prigozhin and the Moscow Region staged deserves condemnation

    Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin and his brave warriors are worthy of full respect. With his criticism of the leadership of the Moscow Region, I completely agree and I can add a lot more. But I won’t (I’m afraid of the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) But there are questions for the Guarantor and his neighbor princes and boyars: 1. How long will these “feasts during the plague” continue? 2. Where does their slavish attachment come from to supply hostile states with resources and finances accumulated in Russia, without receiving anything in return? Where does the slavish attachment to the WTO norms come from (with total sanctions against the Russian Federation)?
    3. Who is interested in the pricing practiced in Russia for metals, energy carriers (electricity and fuels and lubricants)? Why is water for the needs of industry and the population unreasonably expensive?
    4. For what such a good purpose has Russia introduced a 20% VAT and introduced a regressive personal income tax scale (I do not consider 6% of income-generating company owners and 0% of offshore aristocracy to be progress)?
  35. +2
    7 March 2023 16: 40
    Yes, this war is not interesting to anyone THERE. There is a fight for the throne.
    1. -6
      8 March 2023 00: 47
      Yes, this war is not interesting to anyone THERE. There is a fight for the throne.
      That's right, just try to prove it here on VO.

      True, it no longer "goes", but ended.
      After Putin's February 21 speech before the Federal Assembly, where Putin indicated the direction of Russia's future development. Than, in fact, he set the framework for his receiver.
      The forces behind Prigozhin (and these are supporters of the pro-Western course) have lost.
  36. +2
    7 March 2023 17: 10
    Let's see in the fight near Bakhmut, who is more of an enemy for the Moscow Region - the Armed Forces of Ukraine or Prigozhin. Boyusb, Wagner will be framed.
  37. +4
    7 March 2023 17: 17
    The MO seemed to be the most miserable and unprepared in all areas, from planning to provision. Today, when everyone, except the RF Ministry of Defense, is engaged in providing for the warring army, the minister who allowed all this for some reason has not yet been arrested and shot. But Wagner is fighting and moving forward, and none of them asks for armor and helmets because they are provided. Unfortunately today, without the help of the media and wide publicity, it is almost impossible to achieve something.
  38. +4
    7 March 2023 17: 36
    The kids of people like Shoigu and other generals should not behave like celestials. There is a war going on. You need to punish your parents for such jokes. But there is no one.
  39. +1
    7 March 2023 18: 14
    I agree with the author. The only thing I wanted to add is that our army has a stupid and worthless generals, not because the generals are stupid, they are quite smart, but because they are generals in PEACE time. They DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. In addition, they DO NOT KNOW MODERN WAR METHODS AND WAYS. All these years, the maximum that they knew from the development of weapons in the West was riding in huge delegations to international military exhibitions in the Emirates and others, wandering through boutiques and embankments for public money in one go. Syria showed as many mistakes as smart decisions, failures followed by excellent operations. This is precisely the snag - operations by small forces, a combined hodgepodge against a numerous but technologically backward and poorly armed enemy. The experience is good in its own way, and they thought to use it in the NWO, the president said - a special operation ....
    But here the scale is not Syrian. There is a whole country here, with a regular army and a mobile reserve, air defense and even aviation. And with the help of NATO in everything. And besides, with modern weapons from the West. Here our generals and blunted. They do not have the knowledge and skills for such a war. How to hold parades or army games, there is experience. How to drive columns of brigades through the fields in exercises from place to place - there is experience. How to bomb pickup trucks and sheds without air defense from 5 km - there is experience. But against a strong enemy with a head start in intelligence - no.
    1. +1
      7 March 2023 18: 44
      I think this is a very accurate remark. But I believe that the Russian regular army and its commanders can and should make efforts to develop in order to acquire greater combat capability. They are not criticized for criticism, but the comments are made with the best of intentions so that Russia wins. They are not now confronted by Syrian rebels or a small nation like Georgia, it is a big country, NATO backed Ukraine, the mere weight of force is not enough, it must be used more rationally and more effectively
  40. +3
    7 March 2023 18: 29
    Surprisingly demagogic article. It turns out that Prigozhin is to blame for everything .. It turns out that when his son is fighting on the front line, and Shoigu's son-in-law is resting in the Emirates at that time, it is ugly and uncivilized to talk about it. Still would! And how are things going with the mobilization in this regard? The author is silent about this. Because we have a wise author. He also calls on Prigozhin to the culture of statements. Prigozhin, where his guys are laying down their lives, and they are clamping down on supplies of ammunition. And the representative of "Wagner" is not allowed to the meeting at the headquarters of the NWO. Prisoners are no longer allowed to be attracted. Volunteers are not allowed into Wagner. They don't give to bury with honors the guys from "Wagner" if they are former convicts. The fact that they gave their lives for Russia, it turns out, does not atone for their old sins. What else can they give to appease our officials? That is, the guys from Wagner, who at the moment bring the most benefit and, I repeat, lay their lives more than others, are a black bone. But Prigogine must express himself culturally. The author, speak frankly - he should speak in a humbler, more affectionate way. Moreover, the author called on the parties to the dispute to get down to business. No, I just don’t know what kind of trained conscience you need to have to say such a thing to Prigogine. And you can ask what kind of business Prigozhin does not do, and now the author encourages him to do this business? What business? Fight? Or some other unknown, but very necessary thing? This is how Prigozhin fights better than most others. I have already asked, I repeat, the author, can you imagine the consequences if Prigogine suddenly decides to also protect the personnel, his guys? Yes, and will withdraw them from Artemovsk due to the lack of, for example, the required amount of ammunition and equipment. Are the consequences clear? Or have you already been frightened by his popularity and the combat capabilities of his PMC? Whose interests are at the forefront now? Country or someone else?
  41. +2
    7 March 2023 18: 38
    I understand that this is about trying to win the war, and not about circus or theatrical performances. So I go to the specific, not to the nonsense that doesn't interest me. It seems obvious that there is a lack of leadership in the Russian army for many reasons, as well as a lack of action by the troops themselves. Instead, Wagner offers the best results in the most difficult scenarios. So the logic suggests that it is necessary to support Wagner and copy some of his methods, the regular army, if not in all areas, then in some areas should copy Wagner, command dexterity or something like that. Considering Wagner as a Russian military force, this is not an attack on the Russian army, but a call for evolution, those who interfere with the best performers, or who refuse to go up, develop, should be removed from their duties. The military-political Russian high command, simply for the sake of simple survival, must realize the evidence and not waste any more time. Separate those who are useless, those who do not want to develop in the tactics of modern warfare, and make way for those who can adapt and innovate on the battlefield.
    1. 0
      7 March 2023 18: 52
      Strelkov also said that the people from Wagner were the best. But Prigozhin could not explain to him what he himself had to do with them. And he began to intimidate.
      Do you also believe that Prigozhin is the "founder of Wagner"? And Prigozhin never claimed that he was in command on the battlefield. Lokhov breeds, it's true ..... That's why there are clever people like Prigozhin and there are suckers.
  42. 0
    7 March 2023 19: 15
    They just stuck a stick in a snake's nest, and it stinks like a cesspool! It's time to call Comrade Stalin, the whole world!
  43. -2
    7 March 2023 19: 19
    Girkin, Shoigu, Prigozhin and Skomorokhov... A plucked rooster, an elephant, a lion and a constantly chirping bird that has misconceptions about the significance of its chirping... Although there is one positive thing about the bird - the words about consolidation. That's just with the rest of her trills, they are not very consistent.
  44. +4
    7 March 2023 20: 24
    In fact, the author brings a shadow on the wattle fence, while promoting Prigozhin, taking advantage of the fact that many have not been personally, not in the DPR and LPR. But the author himself, it happens there, and should know that the attitude towards Wagner PMC is not unambiguous there. For example, the killers of Igor "Bereg" Mangushev, an officer of the LPR, according to the assumptions of the fighter of the People's Militia of the DPR Andrei "Murz" Morozov, could be among the former prisoners recruited by PMCs, who tritely decided to rob one of the locals. By the way, a criminal case, in fact, was never opened. Strelkov unequivocally declared this, and also the liquidation of Mozgovoy, by Bednov. Also, without much noise, the news slipped through about deserters, former criminals who left their unit with weapons , which were subsequently liquidated. How not to feed the wolf, but he ...., and this despite the demonstrative executions. As for the squabble between Prigogine and Shoigu, this is dust in the eyes to distract from something serious that no one knows yet. The PMC itself was created under the auspices of the Ministry of Defense and the FSB, and Prigozhin is not at all the main one there.
    Andrei Nikolaevich Troshev is who stands next to the GDP, and not Prigozhin. Two "Stars" mean a lot for Afghanistan. He is the chief of staff of the PMC, and the security service too. Served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. He was an employee of the OMON and SOBR units of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for the North-Western Federal District, for some time he commanded the St. Petersburg SOBR at the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for the North-West Federal District. So Prigozhin is not the main person in this PMC. And in general, even if they are former employees of the punitive organs, they still treat former criminals with prejudice. And where is the line in "Wagner", between those transferred to the reserve, and numbering in the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, among the commanding staff, no one knows, except for themselves. Yes, it is allowed to choose junior command staff, among their own, but not above the set bar. above taboo. But, let Prigogine shine, fly on planes, etc., they are preparing for something, really the main ones, they don’t expose themselves.
  45. +1
    7 March 2023 20: 32
    “Which purely by chance is the daughter of Sergei Shoigu”
    How is that
    1. +1
      8 March 2023 00: 19
      How is that

      Violation of safety regulations can lead not only to the death of a person, but also to his birth
  46. 0
    7 March 2023 20: 37
    And the article on a large scale is not about anything. The assessment is not correct and one-sided. Everything that happens before our eyes is called a split of the elites. That's right. And here all the methods and techniques went into action. Prigozhin, for some reason, decided to give it openness. Maybe this should finally weed out true patriots from pseudo ones. Maybe an attempt to reach out to the Supreme Commander to take appropriate measures. such a schedule.
    1. -1
      8 March 2023 02: 39
      The "layout" is the facts. And what Prigozhin "decided" there - or thought, this is his own business.

      Prigozhin publicly wrote that Wagner had nothing to do with the Moscow Region. I guess that in the Moscow Region they understood him literally: "What are these shells?"
      You have to watch the market.

      Moreover, it is objectively beneficial for the billionaire Prigogine personally that the SVO drag on for as long as possible. Just like all other oligarchs.

      Although we understand, sir, that he is a daring fellow, well done, that Putin gave him the Hero, that Prigozhin has a son - the owner of several companies serves in PMCs in Syria .... Probably sheds blood in the trenches ... That Prigozhin is super-duper and all that .

      Here is such a "schedule".
  47. +6
    7 March 2023 20: 46
    I don’t even want to talk about the minister, I watched his visit to Mariupol, his hands in his pockets, he walks around like in a bazaar, in my time the sand in his pockets was sewn up for this, but here the devil knows what and not a military man, he sets an example, in short, what a priest is and coming, one shame ....
  48. 0
    7 March 2023 22: 33
    No, the wife is the husband. Bekhterev (it's hard for me to talk about his views) was released, and his wife and son were shot. All who are against the motherland and the people on the chopping block. They will atone with blood that someone is sleeping ... silt, someone licked something with their tongue - punish.
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  50. +3
    8 March 2023 00: 41
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    I don’t justify Papa Shoigu in any way, because the same Leonid Ilyich could not do anything with the unlucky daughter

    MO has mastered a trillion dollars in ten years. And what do we see from the reports, fighters with baofengs on naked BMP-1,2 and T-62,72 and Su-35 bombing a crossing with cast iron in the style of IL-2. And if you dig deeper, then the money has disappeared, and there are no communications, reconnaissance drones, planning bombs, precision-guided projectiles and missiles. In the Navy, the situation is even worse ...
  51. -3
    8 March 2023 00: 52
    Roman Peacemaker). Our shooter managed to get everywhere - a miracle journalist. And he kicked the generals, and spoiled the air a little, and didn’t really hurt anyone.
  52. +4
    8 March 2023 01: 12
    It’s shameful, of course, that such conflicts occur in public. But this is the Russian Defense Ministry. Why such MO? Yes, because the minister has no military education and the leadership of the Russian Federation pokes its nose into the affairs of the incomprehensible Northern Military District. Russia invaded a neighboring state. It was said about “fascists, neo-Nazis, National Battalions” and not a word was said about the fact that they are all part of the Ukrainian army, forming a single whole with it. The result was a collision: they invaded the country and entered into confrontation with its regular troops, but at the same time they did not set goals in relation to this country. The Russian Federation does not have the required number of troops. Therefore, it could easily happen that all the successes of last spring will be covered with a copper basin. The oligarchy of the Russian Federation is too tied to the West and the leadership of the Russian Federation and a well-fed life. This clearly harms Russia. I have respect for Strelkov. For me, he is the only specialist on Ukraine, but I respect Prigozhin. He is now the only one who does something with the result. And stop poking him with his prison past. He paid his debt to the state and is paying it back now. If there had been a normal MO, the musicians would not have been on the front line at all. However, I have a strong feeling that they simply want to destroy Wagner. There is no other way to explain the scandals with the delivery of ammunition. Apparently victory is not included in the plans of the Russian Defense Ministry. They don't care about the result. It is important for them to balance with contractual agreements so that they can continue to remain the elite, and their children can travel to Dubai. Only they don’t understand that if they disgrace themselves they will be cheap.
  53. 0
    8 March 2023 03: 15
    "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said to them, Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste; and every city or house divided against itself will not stand."
    - the beginning of the end began from the moment when Ilita appeared, which had its own interests different from the interests of the state, and continued when the police, PMCs, volunteers and the Russian Armed Forces themselves appeared at the front - what is there in Syria? The same thing awaits us.
    Peskov - “our task is to CONTINUE” - not to win and not to complete.
    Our or not our rulers are heading towards the elimination of statehood and the establishment of a new world order - turning people into slaves of “society” (as already in China) and the actions of Comrade Putin and others like him clearly fit into this paradigm - “everything is going according to plan” © Letov
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  56. +3
    8 March 2023 13: 09
    What I disagree with in this article and why:
    I do not agree with the reasons why Prigozhin went on a personal attack. Objectively, Shoigu’s political and administrative weight and connections are orders of magnitude greater than Prigozhin’s. Perhaps the Ministry of Defense wanted to put pressure on the “presumptuous” and simply began to reduce the oxygen supply of ammunition. So Prigozhin had no options other than to go on the attack, otherwise the spiral would begin to unwind - no ammunition, no victories, even fewer resources to change the situation.
    Criticism of the generals and SVO is necessary. It’s bad that we have few real voices of criticism, and all those who criticize are immediately labeled as enemies or offered to go to the front and change everything, if the critic is so smart. We still have democracy and freedom. And it will be possible to hide any problems, even with a full paragraph, until a certain time, and then only from our citizens - our enemies know our problems very well. Therefore, it is necessary not to take an ostrich pose, but to actively identify problems, name the reasons, and draw organizational conclusions based on the names of those responsible.
    Yes, it is unethical to switch to relatives, but apparently the situation is pressing. And then how unethical is it - to remain silent about relatives, to remain silent about ammunition, and in return send funerals, coffins with the dead because there was no ammunition - how ethical is that? I would write where to send such ethics, but I already have penalties on this issue... Alas, in extreme situations, only taboo vocabulary allows you to briefly convey key meanings...
    My opinion is personal.
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  58. 0
    8 March 2023 14: 39
    In our case, Yevgeny Viktorovich still needs to think and stop in the chain of criticism and revelations. It is necessary to fight, but with those who really deserve it. This is the only way to change things for the better.
    - Yes. But it’s just like in the old Soviet joke, about drunkenness and absenteeism of a tractor driver, a meeting, a blacksmith and 2 grooms: Prigozhin and Shoigu are each in one copy. And there are many Skomorokhovs. And who will be dragged in, and who should listen to whom - you don’t even need to guess laughing
  59. +1
    8 March 2023 14: 45
    Each article is the same thing - a statement of akhtung. I think such an article could be written by any of those present here. If possible, I would like to see materials from the category - here it was bad - now it’s better. I don’t know how someone like this buffoon/starver makes me want to distance myself from everything that is happening, which is in conflict with the officer’s education received. What are these articles even for - to cause the disintegration of society????
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    1. 0
      8 March 2023 15: 56
      And we have a “wonderland”. At night in Belovezhskaya Pushcha in December 1991, three eccentrics get together and write a paper that there is no longer a country with a population of about 300 million. And in the morning, instead of a madhouse, they suddenly find themselves at the head of three new states.

      Compared to this surreal scenario, everything else is simply boring and primitive.
  61. -1
    8 March 2023 16: 20
    Or maybe the real body is in something else. Maybe someone responsible for the shells. There was once a film where one guy drove the wrong way and one of the community at a meeting shouted - what if you were carrying shells and it was young Bykov. It was funny to listen to this, no one could understand what shells had to do with it in peacetime, but they had a lot to do with it in wartime.
  62. +1
    8 March 2023 16: 32
    Nekoglai, now an active assistant to the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Say thank you to Mizulina, who instead of a heart-to-heart conversation put him in a pre-trial detention center, then Nekoglai became embittered, fled abroad and takes revenge by collecting money from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Who put Mizulina in the position given her incompetence?
    1. -1
      9 March 2023 00: 10
      Say thank you to Mizulina, who, instead of a heart-to-heart talk, put him in a pre-trial detention center
      I had to sew mittens right away at the ITK
  63. 0
    8 March 2023 16: 53
    The author does not know, did the gentlemen stay in 1917?
  64. +1
    8 March 2023 19: 18
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Yesterday, for the first time in a long time, I watched “An Evening with Vladimirov Solovyov” (part of the program). Could not understand

    Don't watch this opportunistic bastard.
    Firstly, his real name is Shapiro.
    Secondly, he prohibits any negative statements against Israel and Zionism on his broadcasts.

    He (Shapiro) was silent in the anus when they released 43 IDF instructors captured in DONBASS at the beginning of the Northern Military District.
    Shapiro remained deafeningly silent when his beloved Zionists transferred millions of 155mm shells to the Ukronazis through Poland.

    Shapiro/Solovyov is silent even now, when the Israeli government has decided to send again a large group of instructors from the IDF to Ukraine to help the Nazis.
    I have no doubt that Shapiro and similar NOVIOBs (a new historical community, and ethnic liberals are forgiven) are blaming I. Strelkov to blame for the quarrel or dispute between Shoigu and Prigozhin.

    PS And where are the Armatas promoted by Shapiro?
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    1. -3
      9 March 2023 20: 08
      Quote: Georgy K-219
      . But, instead of consolidating forces, how can one carry out subversive work against one’s not-so-loved or more successful comrades? The lack of clear management influence on both the participants in the events and the entire campaign in general is depressing. All sorts of quarrels and stuffing should be only for misinformation, I think so. I'm very worried about the country.

      But there is no need to envy the more successful Shoigu! FINE?
      The situation is simple.....

      There is a commercial company. The manager is obliged to purchase everything she needs from the manufacturers. For example, weapons. In any country in the World. The best.

      But he uses the resource of a high patron and robs the Ministry of Defense. And he runs the most vile PR company and discredits the Russian Defense Ministry. Although he let it slip earlier that he had nothing to do with him.

      And if you don’t have one, buy a weapon wherever you want. You have a fortune worth 15 billion bucks and a fat belly..... Otherwise, why...... does this PMC even need you?
      1. +1
        9 March 2023 21: 49
        But he uses the resource of a high patron and robs the Ministry of Defense.

        The concepts are very confused. To rob the Ministry of Defense is when the responsible persons of this department enter into contracts with suppliers at obviously inflated prices and receive kickbacks for this. Or they unreasonably write off ships, planes, equipment, weapons, ammunition, property that has not yet exhausted its service life ahead of time, and then sell it all externally to hot spots or sell it for scrap. And to fight for the country, for you and me, giving your lives and shedding blood, while demanding from the Defense Ministry only a normal and timely supply of ammunition, this cannot be called robbery by any clouding of reason. And if we take into account that PMC Wagner also fulfills the direct responsibilities of the Ministry of Defense to protect the country and its people from enemies, then this ministry must also pay them for their “work.”
        1. -2
          12 March 2023 07: 21
          Do not confuse PMC soldiers and Prigozhin. His duty is to provide for the company.

          He failed, suffered from sanctions, failed to conclude contracts with suppliers.....
          . Nobody pulled his tongue when he said that “he has nothing to do with the Moscow Region”

          And your routine blah blah blah about bad generals, MO and other artistic lyrics - I don’t rule out that this is also his “work”.
  66. 0
    9 March 2023 00: 08
    Why not return Article 58 and start actively applying it? No matter how many wicked people go to cut down Christmas trees at once
  67. +2
    9 March 2023 00: 38
    Quote: ZAV69
    Why not return Article 58 and start actively applying it? No matter how many wicked people go to cut down Christmas trees at once

    The evil spirits will determine who goes to cut the trees. The construction of the caste system is completed..
  68. 0
    9 March 2023 01: 33
    In short, Rafik is innocent, there is no need to beat him up.
  69. -3
    9 March 2023 10: 31
    Yes, this is a topic that the Ukrainians are pushing: to create discord between the participants of the Northern Military District. And Skomorokhin, I can’t understand why he gets money there? I follow his work - it is tendentiously aimed at discrediting our army. Moderators, please reply in PM, whose employee is he?
  70. 0
    9 March 2023 13: 26
    The legal absence of the concept of SVO gives everyone scope for any activity. Those who can and want can ride anywhere. Those who are not happy with this can rinse whoever they want as before. In the country, there is moral condemnation, but this is not the law, and therefore some will ride, others will condemn. One structure will continue to attack the other, hiding its true goals or through disinformation. In Ukraine, too, people ride in Karpa
    tach on skis, and all over the world. This is modern warfare.
  71. +2
    9 March 2023 16: 03
    There would be a Master in the house who hit the table and there would be no disputes. But here “The Boss” usually promotes himself until the first serious problems. For 8 years he believed in the “Minsk Agreements” - well, okay, mobilization is an initiative of the RF Ministry of Defense, and he would not have carried out anything at all, he asks Mr. Manturov for government orders, not orders the families of the mobilized to go to the governors. Over the years, not a vertical power structure has been formed, but a checkpoint with a watchman.
  72. -1
    10 March 2023 18: 28
    In response to the conflict between Shoigu and Prigozhin, believing that the PMCs have no shells, Zelensky is driving and driving his best troops (reserves) to Artyomovsk. Maybe this is what is needed? Let them bury more of their frostbitten victims there?
  73. -1
    16 March 2023 14: 15
    “And then look at the result. How many patriots will really remain who want to fight for a bright future.” And whose bright future do they propose to fight for? Shoigu's daughter and her husband? Prigozhin and Kozhugetovich himself? A bright future awaits us proletarians. And a bunch of snickering spiders in jars already live in their own parallel universe. The article is useless - the ideas in it are nonsense

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