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China is ready to build aircraft carriers - the head of the state shipbuilding corporation

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China is ready to build aircraft carriers - the head of the state shipbuilding corporationChina is ready to build more aircraft carriers. This was announced today by the head of the Chinese State Shipbuilding Corporation Hu Wenming. It was at her shipyard that the Varyag heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, which was commissioned by the Chinese Navy under the name Liaoning, was purchased from Ukraine.

"China is the only one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council that does not have an aircraft carrier entirely created by its own forces," Hu Wenming told reporters. According to him, the company he leads is ready to build more “air bases at sea”.

China State Shipbuilding Corporation is the second in the world after the South Korean Hyundai Heavy Industries. This corporation has developed and manufactured most of the air navigation systems installed on Liaoning, which was adopted by the PLA Navy 25 this September.

"We need to increase our own development and manufacturing facilities for the production weapons and equipment to make up for their shortage in the country, and build their own aircraft carriers, "said the president of the corporation.

Hu Wenmin declined to say when and how much Chinese aircraft carriers will be built, citing the fact that such plans are "the prerogative of the central authorities." At the same time, he clarified that China will create aircraft carriers using ejection technology. Aircraft from aircraft carriers such as "Varyag" take off from the flight deck with a springboard.

China, according to experts, does not plan to equip its aircraft carrier with Russian deck fighters. “We didn’t have any inquiries from the Chinese side,” the head of the air force department, Sergei Kornev, told journalists at the Zhuhai air show.
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  1. mar.tira
    mar.tira 20 November 2012 16: 16
    +18
    Well naturally !!! After all, they have our (Soviet) aircraft carrier disassembled by bones, and copied! What for free, according to other people's technologies you can’t build! And we still think to build or not, and what kind of bucks! It’s better to squander them with girls in Courchevel!
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 20 November 2012 16: 21
      +2
      Well, he himself is already out of order, but the planes are definitely ours.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 November 2012 17: 15
        +12
        Quote: lelikas
        Well, he himself is already out of order


        This is not critical, the point is different. In the concept - Varyag displacement -65000 tons it is impossible to accommodate heavy aircraft on Varyag, which can only be launched with a catapult. And since it is precisely such aircraft that are necessary for collecting intelligence, coordinating operations, long-term flights and using powerful ammunition, the Varyag's task, apparently, will be to expand the coverage zone of the Chinese Navy from the air near its native shores, this is a Soviet concept and not an American therefore they are not afraid of the Varyag, but the Chinese are already planning a new aggressor aircraft carrier with two runways and a catapult
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 20 November 2012 17: 43
          +1
          Sobsno it was meant laughing , only in a shorter phrase.
        2. VAF
          VAF 20 November 2012 17: 47
          +14
          Quote: Vadivak
          this is a Soviet concept, not an American one, so they are not afraid of the Varyag, but the Chinese are already planning a new aggressor aircraft carrier with two runways and a catapult


          Vadim, absolutely +! drinks

          But I’m a little about something else, so to speak about painful, not only that the Chinese bought it for only 20 lamas of greenery, so they have almost all scratched it up and are now building their own new one. and we have ... how many gold toilets, decorations, paintings, real estate, etc. "mastered" bully

          And now we are "reaping the fruits" of the great leadership ... wassat

          And we rejoice like children to every boat .... fellow though .. it's all sad crying

          On November 14, 2012 in Novorossiysk, a acceptance act was signed on the transfer of the Russian Navy at the end of testing the third anti-sabotage boat P-349 of project 21980 (code "Grachok").

          The raising of the Navy flag on a boat is expected in late November, after which the P-349 will become part of the Black Sea Fleet.

          The boat P-349 (serial number 983) was laid down at JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky ”(the company is part of the Ak Bars Holding Company OJSC group of companies) on May 6, 2011 and June 16, 2012 was launched.
          In August, crossing the inland waterways, the boat arrived on the Black Sea, where it successfully passed state tests.

          Earlier, the Russian Navy has already received two boats of this type, also built in Zelenodolsk.
          The first two boats of this type P-104 (serial number 981) and P-191 (serial number 982) were delivered by the Russian Navy, in 2009 and 2011, respectively, based on Kronstadt and Novorossiysk.
          Two more boats of this project are being built at JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky ”and three units - at the LLC“ Vostochnaya Verf ”in Vladivostok.

    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 November 2012 17: 19
      +2
      He was without electronics, one case, even the cables were cut off before the sale ... And as for his statements, he can either build his own aircraft carrier, he can build air bases, he can build more aircraft carriers, as if they had less built before ... In short, in one interview he spoke
      1. Genry
        Genry 20 November 2012 19: 25
        0
        It was sold with full technical documentation! What else can I say?
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 20 November 2012 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: mar.tira
      After all, they are our (Soviet) aircraft carrier disassembled by bones, and copied

      Quote: mar.tira
      And we still think to build or not, and what bucks!

      I feel, they will come up with, to buy from China, like the Mistrals from France, or to replace the same Su-35 ... on barter ... what
  2. YARY
    YARY 20 November 2012 16: 17
    +13
    Under the leadership of the CPC, following the course of a two-model economy, comrades a victorious step forward!

    And those who chewed gum and drank Coca-Cola, who sold for jeans and key chains - swallow dust from the boots of the Chinese army !!!

    Cry heart-cry!
    1. snek
      snek 20 November 2012 16: 30
      +9
      Quote: Ardent
      And those who chewed gum and drank Coca-Cola, who sold for jeans and key chains - swallow dust from the boots of the Chinese army !!!

      You would have to write propaganda texes in the era of developed socialism ... So much expression.
      1. YARY
        YARY 20 November 2012 17: 05
        +1
        How I want it to be propaganda!
        But this is a statement of fact, alas!
        1. snek
          snek 20 November 2012 17: 17
          +3
          Quote: Ardent
          But this is a statement of fact, alas!

          It turns out that when I in the mid-90s collected a collection of liners from chewing gum turbo - did I drive nails into the coffin of the Great Power?
          1. YARY
            YARY 20 November 2012 17: 46
            +4
            "Where the claw is stuck, the whole bird is abyss"
            Ruble starts from a penny
            The road from the first step
            Well and further!
            Do not hesitate, and you and maybe I had a hand in the death of the whole power.
            Our trouble is that everyone but us is to blame. But this is not so.
            Desire for something and get this action with consequences. What are the consequences? Different.
            But in contact with them (with desires) we realized what this would lead to? Don’t be mad!
            The question is, we ourselves have changed the environment, turning it into fertile soil for Humpback Drunken Drunkards, and other evil spirits.
            Forgetting the simple truth - THAT WHO IS AN ENEMY TO US DOES NOT GOOD US!
            Nodding to the "foreign" we are looking for positive examples, but they are not there! For us, no. Because we are enemies for them, we were and will be until our complete destruction. Remember Yugoslavia when you "nod" to the west.
            Remember the Baltics when you are touched by something from "Geyropa's civil rights!"
            Remember Kosovo.!
            Remember who supplied the weapons and taught to cut in Ossetia!
            China does not need to remember anything, they have not turned astray. And they will not turn off.
            Teaching them since childhoodt "Even a sand house on the shore, built not by you, not for you to demolish"
            1. Simple
              Simple 21 November 2012 02: 26
              0
              Beautifully and strongly written.
              I read like Mayakovsky’s poems.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 20 November 2012 18: 46
            +3
            Quote: snek
            Did I drive nails into the coffin of a Great Power?

            “The admission of one's own guilt is the queen of evidence.” - A. Vyshinsky.
            1. snek
              snek 20 November 2012 19: 46
              +2
              Quote: Kaa
              “The admission of one's own guilt is the queen of evidence.” - A. Vyshinsky.

              also, they say, champagne helps very well.
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 20 November 2012 21: 15
                +5
                Quote: snek
                champagne helps very well

                "Champagne in the morning is drunk by aristocrats or degenerates ..." yes
                1. snek
                  snek 20 November 2012 21: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Kaa
                  "Champagne in the morning is drunk by aristocrats or degenerates ..."

                  And who said that it should be drunk? A confession of guilt with the help of Shapan (well, or containers from under it) can be obtained using more original methods.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 21 November 2012 17: 41
                    0
                    Quote: snek
                    A confession of guilt with the help of Shapan (well, or containers from under it) can be obtained using more original methods.

                    Per rectum? belay Lelik, I beg you, this is not our method! stop
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 November 2012 17: 20
        +2
        Quote: snek
        So much expression.

        Here it is expression, or expansion as you wish. For example, I understand Andrei
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 20 November 2012 18: 45
        +3
        Quote: snek
        You would have to write propaganda texes in the era of developed socialism ..

        Quote: Ardent
        How I want it to be propaganda!
        But this is a statement of fact, alas!

        "Today he wears" Adidas "- and tomorrow he will sell his homeland!" Is it trite? But that's how it happened ...
    2. mar.tira
      mar.tira 20 November 2012 16: 35
      +5
      [quote = YARY] And those who chewed chewing gum [/ quoteYes unfortunately both in Ukraine and Russia there were greedy and unprincipled people in power. They did not see the future of our country ahead. And oddly enough, they still sit here and there. Serdyukov is an echo of that elite. Some forum users from Ukraine whitewashed the sale of an aircraft carrier, and blamed anyone but themselves. And they proved that Russia could not build aircraft carriers with the existing production. But this is a lie! The nouveaux riches could take out and sell equipment and production facilities. But cities with powerful shipyards, shipbuilders who still remember shipbuilding technology, they can not withdraw, and not sell, no matter how hard they try. Need the leadership, and the people will go !! But you have to hurry, they leave!
      1. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 20 November 2012 17: 04
        0
        Quote: Ardent
        Under the leadership of the CPC, following the course of a two-model economy, comrades a victorious step forward!
        And those who chewed gum and drank Coca-Cola, who sold for jeans and key chains - swallow dust from the boots of the Chinese army !!!
        Cry heart-cry!


        и

        Quote: mar.tira
        Yes, unfortunately, in Ukraine and Russia there were greedy and unprincipled people in power. They did not see the future of our country ahead. And oddly enough, they still sit here and there. Serdyukov is an echo of that elite.


        Unfortunately so friends, I support everyone who thinks so ... I attribute myself to the Neo-Socialists ... capitalism is EVIL !!!
      2. evil
        evil 20 November 2012 17: 19
        +11
        You don’t know a lot of people, people built ships of this size in Nikolaev only. Do not confuse shipyards and shipbuilding Adm Shipyards remaining in St. Petersburg are capable only of frigates for India and diesel boats for them. The main thing is that there are practically no professional workers left in this industry. At the Kanonersky factory, the last grandfather of the boiler special had already died as a few years.
        Here I left a comment somewhere that regarding the fleet, everything was bad for me, kind people put cons and called a swamp .... donkeys from the car factory
        1. mar.tira
          mar.tira 20 November 2012 17: 51
          +2
          Quote: angry
          or people you don’t know much, ships of this size were built in Nikolaev only.

          Who is interfering now? I’ll tell you who, the Rulers who sit and see where else to sell and put in their own and their associates a moshna. And it can still go, and even offer the Russian leadership joint construction and operation of a modern aircraft carrier. It’s enough to beat a friend friend with a stick, and blaming each other for the dishonest section of their property (I can’t, I don’t turn my hand to tell the former) to the Motherland. And do not boast that you won’t succeed!
        2. predator.3
          predator.3 21 November 2012 06: 42
          0
          President Vladimir Putin instructed Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin to clean up the prices for the defense industry. The authorities have been trying to control the prices of arms producers for more than seven years - since Russia began to increase defense spending. However, there are no particular successes in the fight against price markups so far. According to Rogozin, the price of nuclear submarines is set personally by Putin. The fair price of tanks, missiles or planes is very difficult to determine - but possible. This requires a deep audit of production chains, which the authorities really do not want to deal with, experts say.

          Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is in charge of the military-industrial complex, together with the economic block of the government, to complete work on the formation of general pricing principles for the state defense order. "The general principles of pricing must be determined," the head of state said at a meeting with the deputy prime minister. "There are many conversations on this score, there are many problems, you yourself have already drunk this properly, but so far we do not have common principles," Putin said. "See it through with the economic bloc of the government; it needs to be completed," Putin said.

          In turn, Rogozin reminded Putin that at one time he himself set the price for the construction of nuclear missile carriers. "Unfortunately, while the situation is under manual control, it comes to the point that you, the head of state, had to make decisions on such complex devices as, say, nuclear submarines," the Deputy Prime Minister recalled.
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 20 November 2012 18: 51
        +3
        Quote: mar.tira
        Some forum users from Ukraine whitewashed the sale of an aircraft carrier, and blamed anyone but yourself

        I did not whitewash, I consider it a crime, but personally I did not sell. In Russia, I hope you also did not participate in the sale of "Novorossiysk", "Minsk" and "Kiev" to South Korea and China? And to ask from the participants of such geshefts both us and you should ... angry
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 20 November 2012 16: 18
    +11
    China will build it, I have no doubt about it. How much money was stolen in the Defense Ministry, the fleet could have been rearmament. With such power, we can only dream of aircraft carriers crying
    1. Lexa_71rus
      Lexa_71rus 20 November 2012 16: 32
      0
      Do not worry, 20 trillion rubles were allocated until 2020, the only other thing is that not all the money will go where it is needed.
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 20 November 2012 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      With such power, we can only dream of aircraft carriers
      Fat men and Russia.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 20 November 2012 17: 28
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      China will build, I have no doubt about it.


      Sorry Varyag, handsome
      1. InkGrey
        InkGrey 20 November 2012 18: 48
        +1
        Let's hope that our elite will decide that we also need aircraft carriers. This time - not "aircraft carrying cruisers". Because one aircraft carrier is also a bonus in the form of escort ships that you can't get out of nowhere. Fingers crossed?
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 November 2012 20: 44
        +1
        Sorry "ULYANOVSK"


        ATAKR "ULYANOVSK"
        1143.7 catapults
        1988 1995 plan
        1992 Cut at 18% readiness by decision of the Council of Ministers of Ukraine No. 69-r
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 20 November 2012 21: 45
          +2
          Yes, sorry "Ulyanovsk", but even more sorry for the time wasted, including now, on the development of a new project.
  4. UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 20 November 2012 16: 29
    -5
    They will build it, but will they only go to sea? How they built submarines with ballistic missiles, but they don’t leave the bases, because nothing works fine for them. You can say for prestige acquired, no more.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 20 November 2012 17: 51
      0
      Only for the sake of prestige no one throws such a huge amount of money to the wind, even China.
  5. snek
    snek 20 November 2012 16: 29
    +7
    China said China will do. But even with their shipbuilding industry it will take about 6-8 years. I am almost sure that in this decade we will not see the actual Chinese aircraft carriers (at least as part of the fleet). But by this time they destroy a lot of destroyers.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 20 November 2012 17: 26
      +1
      Quote: snek
      China said China will do.


      Are you hinting at this?
      1. snek
        snek 20 November 2012 17: 42
        +4
        Vadik, I am hinting that the Chinese shipbuilding industry is at a sufficient level of development to build any type of ship.
  6. VPO
    VPO 20 November 2012 16: 46
    +24
    I just flew in on Friday. 1 week in the Middle Kingdom was. I don’t even have anything to write. It feels like a shell shock. I just did not understand what China has become. We just don’t understand what kind of shit we live here and how we can and should live. China ran away from us by 50-60 years. All hatreds about China are full of husk. We have here in the district, as if one power is now China. Everything walks and flies there and wakes to fly. And they will have aircraft carriers, and planes, give them another 15 years to work quietly and everything wakes up with them. Men are coming dark times. We were surrounded on all sides.
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 20 November 2012 17: 53
      0
      Do not be scared. Let's get through.
    2. Guun
      Guun 20 November 2012 17: 59
      +2
      The case says. Kartina is deplorable. The dragon eats and gains muscle, I think even 5-10 years is enough (technology does not stand still, hackers have what they need) to compete with the world.
    3. Egen
      Egen 21 November 2012 06: 23
      +1
      I agree almost completely! One must visit China to understand ... no, not China and the Chinese, the East will remain a mystery to a European person forever, but their potential. I was primarily struck by their roads - almost like in America! In-2-th - their performance. been to many Chinese factories, here are some interesting examples. On one, a man was rolling an iron cage cart with bobbins. For some reason, a wheel came off from her, fell to one side, part crumbled. What would the Russians do in our factory? That's right, look for a new trolley for half a day, reload, take it, find some thread on the tractor, take the broken one for repair. Another technology is simply unknown to us. What did the Chinese do? The crowd came running, hammered with hammers, put them on wheels, left everything inside and drove on. And all this literally in 7-8 minutes, while our delegation passed by!
      By the way, we looked at copied German equipment at this factory. The quality of its manufacture is lower, the Chinese laid smaller tolerances, thicknesses and they do not have such steel as in Germany. Therefore, the service life of machines in 1,5 is less. But it costs 2 times less. The product quality on them is the same. Therefore, given that obsolescence comes faster than the physical - the Chinese are right ...
      Another example: one small (eg 5% of China) agricultural province near Shanghai consumes mines. more fertilizers than all of Russia produces! One factory produces auto tires as much as the whole of Russia. Also, the volume of chemical consumption and, vice versa, sales of products of the entire Chinese industry are so great that Russia has a very small market for them. Therefore, probably fortunately, they are not interested in Russia ...
      1. Consmo
        Consmo 21 November 2012 07: 46
        0
        In, about steel for machine tools in more detail. I don’t know what you did there, but the Chinese do not report steel, cast iron and other machines. The machine is precision, there is no iron, there is no accuracy, vibration, and so on. That is, on such machines, such carts as you saw and do. The crowd (brigade) for servicing carts walks after it. Have you seen how many times per hour this crowd serves the cart?
        Bl .... su, and what aircraft carriers, planes, peacocks.
        For what do not take it done through the ass. The carving in the chandelier is on 2 threads, the body of the device on 2 legs stands (not even on 3) Because it is crooked ... not the whole. Production is a working culture, yesterday farmers from rice fields try to do what and train them the same farmers.
        I have long sworn the Chinese to buy this discarded money, carefully taken with my foot in the basket.
        Let them do it for themselves, wind in a mug.
        But let them come to our ports with a certificate of guarantee of raising their trash from our water area. Even though the aircraft carrier is at least a junior.
        1. Egen
          Egen 21 November 2012 09: 03
          0
          Yes, 100% right, by the way, and about the chandelier, I bought it 2 days ago :) But you are not starting from those premises. They do not need accuracy, they do not need a long service life - why should they, when the turnover and obsolescence of goods are much longer than the established shelf life. This is a global trend. There we have a wardrobe made of wood, my father-in-law bought it almost 50 years ago - and nothing, it will stand for so long! And the furniture that I bought 20 years ago from any chipboard is already breathing in incense :( Therefore, here the Chinese are great, they do what they need - "disposable." But nevertheless, if you go to China, you will see that all that junk consumer goods that are sold here in Russia - it is only here, in China you will find this only in the markets or in special stores for Russian shuttles. In the stores they sell very high-quality Chinese-made items. And for the production of quality products, the same aircraft carriers, they have very good and most modern German and state lines ...
          1. Dest. 956
            Dest. 956 21 November 2012 10: 40
            0
            Yes you calm down with China! There was a Roman empire, there was an empire of Genghis Khan, finally German. And the great Chinese was. And where ... For every twisted horseradish there is a good sledgehammer.
  7. yanus
    yanus 20 November 2012 16: 50
    +3
    Speaking of spending in China. It has a large GDP and export money. This is where the fun begins. If they are fully invested in their own economy, "overheating" begins. They are also not allowed to raise salaries for workers, they will lose their only competitive advantage over other economies. There are two ways out, to invest in the economies of other states (but they are not particularly sold to China) or to bury them "in the ground." China is successfully burying money in the ground, both literally and figuratively. There are many examples - wide highways from one village to another, ghost towns, etc. Building aircraft carriers is one of these ways to instill these funds.
    1. YARY
      YARY 20 November 2012 17: 12
      +1
      China redeemed a sickly portion of SyShyA's debt
      Transfers money to gold
      Redeems loans and lends to its own producers and "businessmen" abroad!
      More hard currency will not be soon!
    2. zMouze
      zMouze 20 November 2012 17: 20
      +2
      You are absolutely right! China is certainly beautiful at the moment, but let's not forget that there are one and a half yards now ... These masses need to be fed, given work. A Chinese village is not quite the same as a Chinese city. China has VERY big problems ahead, they will soon be addressed.
      1. Egen
        Egen 21 November 2012 09: 07
        0
        Does anyone know that we have a lot of Chinese in Russia? A couple of years ago I was very surprised to learn about large Chinese colonies in Khakassia and near Omsk, they grow all kinds of vegetables in greenhouses (and often live there), by the way without chemistry. There are still quite a few Chinese construction crews, we hired one, their labor productivity is exactly twice as high as ours ... That's how (by exporting labor hands) they have been solving these problems for a long time :)
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 20 November 2012 17: 22
      +1
      Quote: yanus
      If they are fully invested in their own economy, "overheating" begins

      You are right, already ,, LLC "Adidas" from China dumped, did not want to raise the salary
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 20 November 2012 18: 56
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        already ,, LLC "Adidas" from China dumped, did not want to raise the salary

        You may laugh, but at our machine-building factories already "for China" our Ukrainian workers are making counterfeit household appliances, at the idle defense factories, they would have heard 20 years ago - they would have laughed, but now - somehow thoughtfully ... belay
  8. dimon-media
    dimon-media 20 November 2012 17: 23
    +1
    To the whole world, China has proven that capitalism is an imperfect, unreliable and rotten system. You just have to look at today's China and compare it with Europe. Well done all the same, the Chinese. The nose was wiped out to the whole world, and just recently, some decades ago there were beggars, they were already a banana republic ..
    1. orfo
      orfo 20 November 2012 20: 31
      -1
      the same amers complained that China artificially inflates its yuan, those are still scammers
      1. Professor
        Professor 20 November 2012 22: 55
        +2
        the same amers complained that China artificially inflates its yuan, those are still scammers

        Underestimates and at least 2 times.
        1. orfo
          orfo 22 November 2012 00: 16
          0
          oops mixed up, but the fact of manipulation by the state is present.
    2. Professor
      Professor 20 November 2012 22: 54
      +1
      And in China the most that there is nothing is capitalism. Moreover, a classic with an animal grin.
  9. webdog
    webdog 20 November 2012 17: 30
    +3
    do not panic. break through.
    We have no other choice.
    better only where we are not ...
    Putin and Shoigu will now transplant presumptuous thieves, the stolen money will be taken from them, here you have enough for the aircraft carriers ...
    I hope that in 2-3 years it will be much better to control finances, and stealing something will not be easy, and dangerous for thieves and their relatives too.
    I think that it’s necessary to enlist all of these dead-faced sorcerers into the category of terrorists, because they are doing great harm to the country and its military-industrial complex.
    and what to do with the terrorists, we already know and know how))) although not yet with everyone ...
    1. snek
      snek 20 November 2012 18: 01
      +10
      Quote: webdog
      Putin and Shoigu will now transfer the presumptuous thieves, the stolen money will be taken from them, here you have enough for the aircraft carriers ... I hope that in 2-3 years it will be much better to control finances, and stealing something will not be easy, and it’s dangerous for thieves and their relatives too.

      That is, the 8 (de facto all 12) years of the current president’s reign, the fight against corruption was mostly ostentatious, but now the time has come when things will change?
      1. FID
        FID 20 November 2012 18: 40
        +10
        Wait 30 seconds left .... and .... everything has changed. Even Serdyukov was not planted! What a bazaar!
      2. dimanf
        dimanf 20 November 2012 23: 25
        +2
        Quote: webdog
        Putin and Shoigu will now transplant presumptuous thieves, stolen money will be taken from them

        well made fun! cheer up! laughing
        thanks for the bedtime story!
        and now the truth of life!
        The leaders of the new Forbes rating are heads of state-owned companies
        Who is on top? The top five are managers of exclusively state-owned companies. The rating is headed by Andrey Kostin, President and Chairman of VTB Group. According to experts, he earns a total of about $ 30 million a year. The total remuneration of key VTB managers in 2011 also amounted to a record $ 194 million. According to Forbes interlocutors, most of the remuneration for Kostin, as well as most other CEOs from the list, most likely, it receives abroad, in particular in Cyprus, where VTB has a subsidiary bank Russian Commmercial Bank (RCB). In 2011, the group managers received an additional $ 40 million from the Cypriot bank only in the form of dividends.

        Rating of 25 most expensive top managers - 2012

        The income from the Cypriot bank can also explain the annual compensation of $ 15 million, which is included in the top five President of the Bank of Moscow Mikhail Kuzovlev, he headed RCB until 2008 and today works as one of its directors.

        “The leaders of our largest companies, such as VTB or Gazprom, believe that they should earn at least as much as their Western colleagues,” says one of the top-level recruitment consultants, who asked not to be named. Compare VTB with world giants. Among the leaders of the largest Western banks, the head of JPMorgan Chase & Co James Dimon ($ 42 million) earned the most over the last year. It is followed by Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs Group ($ 21,7 million). But JPMorgan Chase & Co is 10 times the VTB Group's assets ($ 2,3 trillion against $ 230 billion), and the net profit of the American bank exceeds VTB's profit more than six times ($ 19 billion against $ 3 billion).

        The head of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, took second place in the ranking with an estimate of $ 25 million. And this is a world record when it comes to the monetary part of the compensation package. The highest reward among CEOs of global oil and gas companies in 2011 was by ConocoPhillips CEO James Malva - $ 15,6 million. In second place was Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson ($ 13,9 million). True, unlike Miller, Mulva and Tillerson received a substantial portion of the remuneration for many years in shares. Tillerson's stake at the end of 2011 was estimated at $ 151 million, Malwa - at $ 60 million. Miller’s shares, which he received as part of the option program in January 2009, now cost $ 1,1 million.

        Igor Sechin, who headed Rosneft in May 25, also earns as much as Miller - $ 2012 million a year. Experts note that such parity is logical: Sechin and Miller lead companies that are comparable in importance to the Russian economy.
        But the compensation of the head of Sberbank German Gref - $ 15 million - is two times lower than that of Kostin.
        http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/rating/kompanii/211481-gosudarevy-slugi-kto-v-ross

        ii-poluchaet-samuyu-bolshuyu-zarplatu
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 20 November 2012 21: 27
      +2
      although not yet with everyone ...
      It’s better that Kadyrov drives his thugs in the mountains than our guys. In any case, it will be easier to slap his shobla with some kind of vacuum bomb around the palace. In the form of, so to speak, public censure.
    3. Professor
      Professor 20 November 2012 22: 58
      +4
      do not panic. break through.

      Yep ...
      in China boys on 50 million!!! more than girls. Now tell me who and where will break through years through 7-10?
    4. dimanf
      dimanf 20 November 2012 23: 22
      0
      [quote = webdog] Putin and Shoigu will now transplant presumptuous thieves, stolen money from stolen
      well made fun! cheer up! laughing
      thanks for the bedtime story!
      and now the truth of life!
      The leaders of the new Forbes rating are heads of state-owned companies
      Who is on top? The top five are managers of exclusively state-owned companies. The rating is headed by Andrey Kostin, President and Chairman of VTB Group. According to experts, he earns a total of about $ 30 million a year. The total remuneration of key VTB managers in 2011 also amounted to a record $ 194 million. According to Forbes interlocutors, most of the remuneration for Kostin, as well as most other CEOs from the list, most likely, it receives abroad, in particular in Cyprus, where VTB has a subsidiary bank Russian Commmercial Bank (RCB). In 2011, the group managers received an additional $ 40 million from the Cypriot bank only in the form of dividends.

      Rating of 25 most expensive top managers - 2012

      The income from the Cypriot bank can also explain the annual compensation of $ 15 million, which is included in the top five President of the Bank of Moscow Mikhail Kuzovlev, he headed RCB until 2008 and today works as one of its directors.

      “The leaders of our largest companies, such as VTB or Gazprom, believe that they should earn at least as much as their Western colleagues,” says one of the top-level recruitment consultants, who asked not to be named. Compare VTB with world giants. Among the leaders of the largest Western banks, the head of JPMorgan Chase & Co James Dimon ($ 42 million) earned the most over the last year. It is followed by Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs Group ($ 21,7 million). But JPMorgan Chase & Co is 10 times the VTB Group's assets ($ 2,3 trillion against $ 230 billion), and the net profit of the American bank exceeds VTB's profit more than six times ($ 19 billion against $ 3 billion).

      The head of Gazprom, Alexei Miller, took second place in the ranking with an estimate of $ 25 million. And this is a world record when it comes to the monetary part of the compensation package. The highest reward among CEOs of global oil and gas companies in 2011 was by ConocoPhillips CEO James Malva - $ 15,6 million. In second place was Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson ($ 13,9 million). True, unlike Miller, Mulva and Tillerson received a substantial portion of the remuneration for many years in shares. Tillerson's stake at the end of 2011 was estimated at $ 151 million, Malwa - at $ 60 million. Miller’s shares, which he received as part of the option program in January 2009, now cost $ 1,1 million.

      Igor Sechin, who headed Rosneft in May 25, also earns as much as Miller - $ 2012 million a year. Experts note that such parity is logical: Sechin and Miller lead companies that are comparable in importance to the Russian economy.
      But the compensation of the head of Sberbank German Gref - $ 15 million - is two times lower than that of Kostin.
      http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/rating/kompanii/211481-gosudarevy-slugi-kto-v-ross
      ii-poluchaet-samuyu-bolshuyu-zarplatu
  10. 101
    101 20 November 2012 17: 49
    +1
    It’s good that we don’t have China with their problems and the money doesn’t know where to go and there are a lot of people. Thank God everything is fine. GAZPROM DREAMS COME TRUE
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 20 November 2012 17: 54
      0
      The faster you fly, the faster you fall. And the higher you climb, the lower you fall.
      1. snek
        snek 20 November 2012 18: 02
        +3
        Quote: homosum20
        The faster you fly, the faster you fall. And the higher you climb, the lower you fall.

        Is it like to get used to it even lower (or even deeper) to the ground?
    2. VAF
      VAF 20 November 2012 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: 101
      Thank god we are fine


      +! wassat

      Quote: 101
      GAZPROM DREAMS COME TRUE


      Better as in advertising ... GAZPROM PEOPLE'S POSITION lol bully + drinks
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 20 November 2012 18: 47
        +1
        Seryoga, hello dear! Don't forget "Our Home Gazprom" wassat drinks
      2. Egen
        Egen 21 November 2012 09: 13
        0
        Joking as a joke, but recently I read that Gazprom is turning out to generate 50% of the revenue of the RF budget, and coal miners - only 30%. I don’t know how true it is, but I’m watching how gasification is developing in our area, albeit with difficulty, but better than for all previous post-perestroika years, and given that Gazprom was recognized as the most profitable company in the world, Miller is great.
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 20 November 2012 19: 12
      +4
      Quote: 101
      It's good that we do not have China with their problems
      China becomes a superpower, and we rolled back to the place of tsarist Russia.
      Slepakov has a song about GAZPROM - somewhere, it seems that there is a common gas, but "dreams come true" only with you ... The Chinese have no gas and much more, but they have socialism and a competent policy, for sure , the appearance of new Chinese aircraft carriers will not have to wait long.
      1. Engrim
        Engrim 20 November 2012 19: 16
        +2
        Quote: Per se.
        Slepakov has a song about GAZPROM - somewhere it seems that there is a common gas, but "dreams come true" only with you ...

        By the way, yes. Even 2 songs per topic:
        Address to Gazprom Shareholders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlOgsgs7EAs&list=UUncuVFZrHKza2d2HXU6axaQ&index=3
        7 & feature = plcp

        Everything is in my country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnP1fJ1bzxE&list=UUncuVFZrHKza2d2HXU6axaQ&index=1
        0 & feature = plcp
      2. Egen
        Egen 21 November 2012 09: 22
        0
        why do the Chinese need gas? At first glance, the question is ridiculous, but in our case energy resources are mainly used for space heating. And in China, even in Beijing, there are no half-brick walls and no central heating, only they are air-conditioned - it’s warm, however. Only closer to the Russian Federation there are batteries, but the main part lives in the south, and industry is there. Therefore, they have a completely different picture in the cost structure and the prices are lower.
        And gas goes only for technological needs ...
        But why should I not understand something for China aircraft carriers. China does not adhere to the offensive doctrine - a bunch of interviews on this topic by the country's leadership, and if you look at the structure of the army, it will not yet pull for military operations on a remote theater. There remains a cover for communications of supplies of raw materials and energy from the Middle East and Australia. BUT: 1) the planned deliveries from the Russian Federation (Siberia and Sakhalin) should reduce this dependence and 2) the Persian Gulf is for some reason guarding the United States (and their deliveries from there have been greatly reduced, so there’s almost nothing to do there economically), and the rest of the space may be covered by coastal aviation ... Therefore, something I did not take into account :)
  11. silver_roman
    silver_roman 20 November 2012 18: 17
    +1
    everything, Chinese scientists have fully comprehended "Ctrl + C --- Ctrl + V". will now be churning out aircraft carriers. they will probably soon put together the schemes of the most advanced 3D printers and will print their aircraft-carrying cruisers on them.

    they don’t need our planes either. Why buy if you already have the dryer closed with your eyes closed.
    "The Chinese grandmother, who knitted socks by talking, knitted the model of the su-27"
    1. Belo_ticketnik
      Belo_ticketnik 20 November 2012 18: 49
      +2
      Nah, they will soon buy or copy an American green candy wrapper lol , American aircraft carriers will be taken away for debts (such as for the organization of museums of works of Chinese art in them).
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 20 November 2012 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: silver_roman
      aircraft carriers will now stamp.

      They will clone them, only clones, like Dolly’s sheep, will suffer from arthritis, a lonely leg has lived all her life, you know ... crying
  12. sxn278619
    sxn278619 20 November 2012 20: 06
    0
    China's second GDP after the United States. They can afford such useless toys. But we do not. Given the fact that 10% of the military budget is disappearing somewhere.
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 20 November 2012 21: 04
      +4
      France and England have smaller budgets, however, aircraft carriers are building, the Japanese have already built aircraft-carrying destroyers under f-35. If you degrease all sorts of Berezovsky, Abramovich and other meadow ones, then the AUG is not enough for the bottom.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 20 November 2012 21: 21
        +2
        Quote: Tirpitz
        the Japanese have already built destroyers built under f-35

        So soon, North Korea torpedo boats ... under the MIG-21 will begin to stamp ... weapons of the poor ... soldier
      2. Egen
        Egen 21 November 2012 09: 24
        0
        why compare, the concept of defense and therefore the structure of the armed forces are different with them. And we cannot pull offensive operations for a long time :(
  13. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 20 November 2012 22: 01
    0
    Tirpitz
    Admiral, it was not for this that Russia was thrown to tear to pieces, then to tear tidbits back from the mouth of jackals.
    This is politics. Secrets of the royal court. It’s someone’s calculation and someone’s interest.
    Therefore, we will forget about the ACG and focus on small missile boats plowing the expanses of the Caspian Sea.
    Why do we need aircraft carriers? We are not going to threaten anyone far from our shores (this is me with irony).
    1. Egen
      Egen 21 November 2012 09: 25
      +1
      we are afraid of the coast, and only on TV threaten :( ((similarly with bitter irony)
  14. bart74
    bart74 21 November 2012 00: 38
    0
    The Chinese will build, I have no doubt, but we would like to drown the coffins of these coffins, or battleships with heavy artillery, so that they could gasp for 200 km! In general, one is still enough for us. Something I do not remember when Kuznetsov went on a long trip? A pair for each fleet will be just right. Better quality than an incomprehensible amount.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 21 November 2012 12: 46
      0
      This summer I swam to the tartus ...
  15. suharev-52
    suharev-52 21 November 2012 00: 47
    0
    My opinion . We do not need aircraft carriers - for now. It is necessary to strengthen the armed forces by all possible means to protect their borders. And at the same time, there are few that seem to any aggressor. Sincerely.