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First photos VT-1A Sun Bangladesh

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The first photos of Chinese appeared on the Bangladeshi Sun Forum tanks VT-1A obtained by this country.


First photos VT-1A Sun Bangladesh

China is gaining momentum in the export of tanks abroad, often displacing serious suppliers such as Russia (T-1С tanks were a competitor to VT-90A in Morocco). The VT-1A tank is not inferior to the best foreign tanks in a number of indicators and surpasses the T-90С in many ways (the presence of the commander’s panoramic sight, modern logistic equipment with the 6TD-2 engine, a modular reservation scheme).

For the first time tanks with such engines (6TD-1I, this designation was given to the engine for Pakistan) were delivered to Pakistan as part of the T-80UD tank (object 478BE). Tests and operation of tanks confirmed their high reliability and the lack of power reduction during operation in hot areas (tBC ³55 C). This led to further purchases of MTOs with 6TD-2 (engine, transmission and cooling system) for Al-Khalid tanks manufactured in Pakistan (around 300 kits), deliveries began from the beginning of 2001. The deliveries of engines to Pakistan continue.

Operation of the T-XNUMHUD and Al-Khalid tanks showed the world that the 80TD two-stroke engines work reliably in extreme climatic conditions, contrary to the predictions of "scientific" skeptics.

After the successful operation of tanks with 6TD-2 in Pakistan, China became interested in them. Now tanks with engines 6TD-2 are delivered to Morocco (reference * .pdf), Bangladesh and Myanmar.

The conflict between the interests of the Ukrainian and Chinese sides did not allow the contract for the supply of tanks with 6TD-2 (VT-1A) to Peru to be realized.


Photo of the echelon with VT-1A tanks for the armed forces of Bangladesh in the PRC.


Serial production of the 6TD-1 engines began in the second half of the 80-ies for T-80UD tanks. During the tests, the 6TD-1 engines worked on the 500 h in different climatic zones without comment, confirming a high level of reliability. 6TD series diesel engines have great potential for development.

If you go back to the questions storiesthe competitor of the 6TD series engines were the 2В series engines developed by ChTZ (X-shaped 2В-12 and 2В-6).

The competition between 6TD and 2В caused serious discussions in 80-s at the level of the leadership of the Soviet tank industry. But judged opponents story. The diesel engine of the 2V series was unsuccessful both when installed on a tank and on light combat vehicles.

It took more than 20 years after discussions of the prospects for engine-building in the USSR. The Soviet Union collapsed. With the 6TD engine, Ukraine turned out to be on the other side of the border; no one interfered with the development of the 2В-12 engine. But where is this engine now? On the T-72 tanks, renamed the T-90, the Kharkov "grandfather" B-2 continues to serve with a number of improvements (B-92СXNNUMX).

This confirms the claim that the creation of a tank engine is a very complicated, time-consuming and expensive process. And it is completely unacceptable if politics interferes with technology (this was mentioned by the creator of 6TD, N.K. Ryazantsev).

Now the outdated B-2 engine (B-92), which was installed on the legendary T-34, is a “brake” on the development of tank building in Russia. No wonder the president of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin studied the characteristics of the 6TD-3 engine at an exhibition in N. Tagil.

In the meantime, there is a situation when the results of the labor of thousands of Soviet people from Kharkov, Moscow, Leningrad, Baku and other cities are destined to be used by China.

Gur Khan: gave Andrei Tarasenko without change from ZhZhechka, for the last sentence simply squeezed a touching tear. Actually Tarasenko is again not original - as they say, “in his repertoire,” therefore one could not continue. But still, without particularly touching Ukraine and their engines, although there are more reasons, I will note some obvious mistakes and falsifications in the cited publication of our most famous forger and a liar.

So, Tarasenko writes that at the REA-2011 exhibition, Vladimir Putin "became interested" in the Ukrainian 6TD-3 engine - this is not true. Firstly, Putin, what is called absolutely “drum” before these glands, and secondly, as a witness, I can say that at the Ukrspetseksport stand, Putin lingered no more than 1-1,5 minutes - he was simply “carried” by. Secondly, the engine as such was not there - there was its layout, which either works or does not work - this is a great mystery, and HKBD does not comment on this question in any way. In any case, this dvigun still does not have Oplot-M on the “supertank”, although it was initially stated that it will be equipped with those.

Tarasenko asks a question about the fate of 2В engines in Russia - the answer is simple - their time has not come yet. For T-72 and T-90 type tanks, there is enough B-92C2, which is cheap, reliable, well developed technologically and structurally, and able to operate and repair. Diesel type 2B-12 are intended for other, more powerful and modern cars - T-95 and Armata.

Now for the “Chinese” - the so-advertised Tarasenko VT-1A - is nothing more than a licensed Soviet “fifty-four” with a bad Kharkov engine. In order for it to survive on the modern battlefield, the Chinese hanged on this tank additional "iron". Naturally, B-2-type diesel dydelek doesn’t draw such a mass (by the way, Oplot overtook a ton for 51, which made the Ukrainians need an engine in 1200.l. — well, I’m yay! Where is the Frost school with it? weight culture?), and then the Chinese turned to the world - "give us anything more powerful." "Dala" only Ukraine - all the rest stupidly "squeezed" their engines. So Andrei has nothing to cry for the Chinese achievement - no one forces the Dviguns themselves - no one forces them, and they also blackmail them, as it happened with Peru (Andrei doesn’t write about this fact, although Peru mentions something). By the way, I ask you to pay attention to the respected community for a significantly increased envelope (in height) of the MTO of a Chinese tank. Doesn't it say anything to you? After all, Ukraine advertises its 6TD as a very compact engine that surpasses everything and everyone in overall power! Why did the Chinese grow up so much? I can assume that they, the Chinese, had to significantly increase the volume of air cleaning and cooling systems - otherwise, 6TD will simply rise there in a few hours. This is about the notorious "55 degrees. Celsius).

Even more ridiculous is the advertisement from the Tarasenko defense of VT-1A, especially its towers. Oh, how our Andrei loves watering the "wrong" Russian DZ Kontakt-5 and how her "wrecking" is installed on T-72 and T-90 Ural designers. All of these "holes" and "weakened zones" are fed up with him. And then on those ... It turns out that the Chinese already have everything according to the “right” one, and the “holes”, which have only become larger, for some reason cause Tarasenko to admire, and not “righteous anger”. Strange kid ...

Well, and most importantly ... Tarasenko lists the countries to which VT-1A is shipped and presents it as a great success in Chinese-Ukrainian hochlach military-technical cooperation. But for some reason does not name the number of machines supplied in these 3 (Three) countries. Add Pakistan with the Ukrainian-Chinese-Pakistani Al-Khalid - four countries will succeed. However, why the Chinese, for their domestic consumption such a good and "promising" 6TD not use? Maybe Andrei will tell us somehow? At the same time, tanks T-90 with engines B-92 and 2 are in service with 6 (Six) countries: India, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Syria, Uganda, Tajikistan. At the same time, we do not forget that the native Russian army successfully uses the T-90 and the upgraded T-72 with B-92C2 engines. Another country - Kazakhstan - purchased BMPT, TOC-1 and BREM-1М all with the same "good for nothing" B-92C2. Togo 8 countries. At the same time, purchases amount to hundreds of units, and the cumulative output has long exceeded one thousand, and will soon exceed the second. Several more contracts are in the final stage of signing, incl. with the countries that were offered both “Oplota” and “VT-1A” - for this reason, until the moment of real supplies, I will keep silent the names of these states. Can the Chinese with Ukrainians boast such a sales volume? If they can, then what is not bragging?
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  1. UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 20 November 2012 13: 38
    +3
    To be honest, the frontal view of the tower reservation is not impressive.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 20 November 2012 13: 51
      +9
      But how impressive can it be if it is the T-54/55 of the corresponding model year with modern or not-so-modern electronic equipment.
      1. Hans grohman
        Hans grohman 20 November 2012 23: 06
        0
        The article somehow did not impress, honestly.
  2. Kars
    Kars 20 November 2012 13: 45
    +5
    wassat ______________ to the gourd.
    and on the topic, the Chinese attack the non-premium segment of the tank market.
    1. VAF
      VAF 20 November 2012 14: 35
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      gurkanchiku.


      I’ll add my own 5 kopecks (do not kick much, not a tanker soldier ) but it's a very "sweet article", especially the conclusions lol

      But in fact: according to the Bangladeshi newspaper "The Daily Star", the Ministry of Defense of Bangladesh on June 14, 2011 signed a contract with the Chinese group Norinco for the purchase of 44 VT1A tanks and three armored recovery vehicles for a total amount of 12,01 billion Bangladeshi so (about $ 147 million).

      The contract was concluded as a result of a tender in which proposals were also presented to Russia, Ukraine and Pakistan, while the Chinese side announced the lowest price. In addition, the Chinese agreed to carry out training of personnel for tanks at no cost. (!!!! wink )

      All tanks must be delivered within 27 months of signing the contract.

      Thus, Bangladesh became the third country to receive this type of Chinese export tank after Morocco and Myanmar.

      Well, about that. Where are our T-90s delivered ... I will keep quiet bully
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 20 November 2012 14: 58
      +1
      Just explain to me more simply, as an idiot - Now the obsolete V-2 (V-92) engine, which was installed on the legendary T-34, is a “brake” on the development of tank building in Russia -How can this be? As I understand it, they have only one design principle in common and that’s all, and so all diesels are not alike each other ?????
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 November 2012 15: 03
        0
        It's probably about a modification.
        As of 2012, production of modifications of the B-2 engine continues at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant and Barnaultransmash. From Wiki.
  3. black_eagle
    black_eagle 20 November 2012 13: 48
    +1
    The article is called started for health, and finished for peace! Who's stopping you from making an engine? We? no! Your state! Calculation and design of the engine is a 3rd year student motorist student course! Would allocate money for the target program would be overwhelmed with engines, there is no one to do it! Today it is necessary to prepare the holy fathers, not engineers! So do not push your problems, on us, we have them and so many!
    1. ughhh
      ughhh 21 November 2012 00: 05
      +1
      The second half of the article, sobsno, is about the fact that the reserve of the "grandfather" engine for modern tanks is enough, and for the heavier, next generation, a new engine has already been prepared.
      So we have no problems and we don’t push them to you, solve yours. For example, collect a tank to the engine:
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 20 November 2012 13: 50
    0
    So I look ... something reminds me of this tank ... such a dear, familiar! T-54/55? Yeah? ... Very similar, only apparently the Chinese have got their own "file" and now they are processing all their copies of other people's weapons.
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 November 2012 14: 00
      +5
      Quote: Wedmak
      So I look ... something reminds me of this tank ... so dear, familiar! T-54/55?

      Really?
      So for the sake of pure interest, what exactly resembles the T-55?
      attaching photo))))))
      ZY.vopros from boredom because the Jews and Palestine aunt Kumary day)))
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 November 2012 14: 07
        +2
        N-th modification Type-85, created in conjunction with several countries. And Type-85 itself is just a recycling of our T-55.
        1. Kars
          Kars 20 November 2012 14: 38
          +1
          The question remains valid.
          Quote: Kars
          that specifically reminds T-55?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 November 2012 14: 40
            +2
            Specifically - the tower. I drank the most minimal in my opinion.
            1. Kars
              Kars 20 November 2012 15: 23
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              Specifically - the tower. I drank the most minimal in my opinion.

              They didn’t even get close.
              Fully welded turret with elements of combined protection in the + -30 degree sector. Vertical sides with a narrowing to the mask. And T-55 cast spherical tower with homogeneous armor. Even where you could go remotely, you can see something in a 6-roller running gear.
              Negotiating that it was not 85 but 96.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 20 November 2012 14: 27
        +1
        To be honest, I also didn’t see the features of T54 or T55 here.

        but in fact it’s so - shit. the tower armor really just smiles. Chinese shit is bought by those who do not need an army, but window dressing. like we have 100500 tanks and hreliard aircraft and it doesn’t matter that it’s all of disgusting quality.

        on the other hand, in a war against the enemy is tantamount to a ride. crush poop and all ....
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 20 November 2012 15: 08
          -2
          ohhh, lovers wake up to remember and don’t write nicherta in response. there aren’t many brains here, so go on to sleep guys
          1. snek
            snek 20 November 2012 15: 17
            0
            Quote: silver_roman
            ohhh, lovers wake up to remember and don’t write nicherta in response. there aren’t many brains here, so go on to sleep guys

            After that, I decided to put a minus on my own. I don’t know how others, but mine for your beautiful language:
            Quote: silver_roman
            essentially so - shit.

            Quote: silver_roman
            Chinese

            Quote: silver_roman
            aircraft hreliard

            Quote: silver_roman
            crush poop and all ....

            Believe me, coprophiles make up only a small percentage of the population, and the rest of the constant mention of feces is rather annoying. Well, the fact that you do not argue your statements in any way, but at the very first "minus" you respond with comments like "all pi ** races, and I am Dartanyan" - gives you a developed personality ready for complex polemics.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 20 November 2012 15: 35
              +2
              perhaps in this regard I have exceeded the bar and I can declare with complete confidence in my words that my foul language was not connected with my personality as a whole and certainly did not want to affect the feelings of the inhabitants of this forum. it’s just that lately people who have been minuscule and write nothing in response have become extremely oppressing and annoying. but in general I am always ready for constructive criticism.

              and I am also extremely skeptical of Noack, namely the technique with which it is equipped. it’s one thing to shamelessly copy, and another thing to let export. I hope you understand me, i.e. understood exactly what such a sharp post on my part is connected with!
              1. snek
                snek 20 November 2012 15: 42
                +2
                Quote: silver_roman
                recently, people who are minuscule and write nothing in response have become extremely oppressing and annoying.

                These are just "plus" and "minus" - to pay attention to such trifles is generally pointless.
                Quote: silver_roman
                and I am also extremely skeptical of Noack, namely the technique with which it is equipped. it’s one thing to shamelessly copy, and another thing to let export.

                The Chinese go their own way. If you focus on your conscience in the battle for the "piece of the pie" - the international arms market, then you won't get far.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 20 November 2012 15: 54
                  0
                  in principle, one can agree with this, but perhaps the position of the leadership of our defense industry and the country in particular, which does not take significant measures to suppress this, is probably more irritating here. although on the other hand, the same UralVagonZavod or KB "Mig" would not have sold their products for export in the dashing 90s, then these KBs would probably not have been.

                  in general, the situation is difficult. Russia has become hostage to its total economic crisis. I very much hope that in the future it will come out to take appropriate measures preventing our potential adversary (China and we can talk a lot about "friendship" and partnership) to stop enriching themselves on the intellectual work of our great designers !!!

                  but at the expense of + and -, then this is a certain tool of this portal, which shows how right you are in a conversation or discussion of a particular issue in front of your interlocutors, and if we have such a possibility to observe this, then we would like the opponents to argue their Pros and cons, that's all.
              2. Guun
                Guun 20 November 2012 15: 54
                +2
                The USSR also began as China. Back in the fall of 1919, the Council of the War Industry of the RSFSR decided to start producing its own tanks, like the French Renault FT-17. They took a captured tank as a sample, which was disassembled at the Sormovo plant in Nizhny Novgorod and every detail was carefully measured. The Izhora plant and the Moscow AMO (now ZIL) also participated in the creation of the first domestic tank, supplying armor and engines, while the chassis was made in Sormov and the final installation was carried out.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 20 November 2012 16: 07
                  +1
                  yes, i'm into it. aka MS-1 (small medium), aka "Fighter for independence Comrade Lenin" - like such an inscription was on board the first-born, but then there was no talk of export. Of course, you can assert as much as you like that "there are no rules in love, like in war," but I touched on the moments of solidarity and self-esteem more. after all, if a country considers itself to be a great power, then copying foreign technology does not seem to suit such a high-profile status.

                  and at the expense of quality, a question for you: you say that the PLA has good quality equipment! what can then be said about their 5th generation aircraft? there are already 2 of them as far as I know ... that is. 2 gliders are different. the question is this: the Italians are such wonderful designers that they create packs of 5th generation aircraft in a few years, or simply the quality and performance characteristics of the products are not suitable and do not correspond to the declared ones ???? The USA and the Russian Federation have been creating their 5th generation of La for decades, but here you see evolution right before your eyes!
                  I don’t want to seem rude in any terms and I’m not trying to say anything, I’m just having a conversation. No wonder they say that truth is born in a dispute!
                  1. Guun
                    Guun 20 November 2012 17: 14
                    0
                    China rearmped the PLA 20 years beyond recognition, they work, 10 years behind the United States and the Russian Federation in military power, but catch up with terrifying speed. Time will tell.
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 20 November 2012 17: 31
                      0
                      I agree, will show. but the guys leave purely due to copying and cheap labor, but this will not last forever. they either need to reduce the number of times by 10, or raise the standard of living by 10 times while maintaining the cost of armaments and R&D. Neither 1 nor 2 is realistic in the next 50 years. They can’t stand still forever and leave due to this approach.

                      Therefore, the question is whether it is advisable to close their access to the import of Russian weapons.
                      Yes, selling them equipment is profitable in the short term, but we lose in the future when the Chinese successfully or not very having copied the same c300 or t90, shove it for export. and all sorts of Bangladeshi buy it there and from this the Russian Federation loses.
                      1. Guun
                        Guun 20 November 2012 19: 43
                        0
                        Somewhere I heard about the plan for a peaceful takeover of the EU when life will be worse there than the gypsies in a poor camp. There are still rumors.
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 20 November 2012 16: 14
              0
              and want to ask you a question, snek
              where do my statements contradict reality?
              Is the tank not close to modern tanks like abrams, leopard 2A6, merkava, the same t-90ms ??

              or that countries purchase such machines. who do not set themselves the doctrine of conquering the world?
              I would like to hear your arguments and statements!
        2. Guun
          Guun 20 November 2012 15: 18
          0
          I would not say that all military equipment of the PLA is shit. Quality works and they have big breakthroughs in this area. While they are copying, but they are already adding their own. And we know little about the development of their military industry.
      3. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 20 November 2012 14: 30
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        So for the sake of pure interest, what exactly resembles the T-55?

        Ta chi you do not bach uncle, sho on nei dynamic protection like a cow on a saddle and like a saliva pryliplin odlipa and bude toby T-55.
        1. Kars
          Kars 20 November 2012 14: 37
          +2
          I will show really an upgrade of pure T-55

          Quote: cherkas.oe
          odlipa and bude tobi T-55

          Really? And I say no, there’s not even a brand name for the T-55 domed tower.
      4. baltika-18
        baltika-18 20 November 2012 16: 16
        0
        Quote: Kars
        So for the sake of pure interest, what exactly resembles the T-55?

        Take a look.
        1. Kars
          Kars 20 November 2012 16: 27
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Take a look.

          On the T-55? Looked. What's next?
  5. IRBIS
    IRBIS 20 November 2012 14: 01
    +8
    Well, for Bangladesh - just right! Iron, there are tracks, the gun sticks out - a tank, in kind!
  6. Vanek
    Vanek 20 November 2012 14: 09
    +1
    Does anyone know where Bangladesh is?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 November 2012 14: 10
      -2
      In Asia. Around next to Korea. That’s all I remembered. )))
      1. UPStoyan
        UPStoyan 20 November 2012 14: 27
        +3
        Not at all close to Korea. And in the east of India, it borders with Myanmar. The country of a thousand rivers and not a single decent bridge.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 20 November 2012 14: 27
      +1
      T-s-s-s! Only the Chinese know this. They know the way there, but they don’t show anyone!
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 20 November 2012 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Vanek
      Does anyone know where Bangladesh is?

      Once it was a part of India from the side of Thailand, it seems that there are even more than 100 million people access to the sea, although everyone has such a story about the people
    4. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 20 November 2012 14: 38
      +2
      Quote: Vanek
      Does anyone know where Bangladesh is?

      From the city of Madrid, obliquely at an angle of 40% to the southeast about 6000 km, so somewhere.
    5. black_eagle
      black_eagle 20 November 2012 14: 47
      +3
      It is not so important where Bangladesh is, what it is, I usually associate it with this one)))))))
      1. bart74
        bart74 20 November 2012 15: 39
        +1
        Yes, they have local fun smile
    6. bart74
      bart74 20 November 2012 15: 38
      0
      Close to india repeat
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 20 November 2012 20: 53
        0
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        Does anyone know where Bangladesh is?

        This is on a completely different map!



        Probably around here.
  7. Konstantm
    Konstantm 20 November 2012 14: 30
    0
    And what about Vysotsky about Bangladesh?
    "I'll go to Bangladesh to see Romanian women" ....?
  8. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 20 November 2012 14: 35
    -2
    another unfinished buys Chinese, however, it will come down for these Holodtrans. Therefore, the headquarters is CHINESE
  9. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 20 November 2012 14: 43
    +2
    Yes, let them sell it to Pakistan and Bangladesh, you see India will have something to shoot from the T - 90 and then see how this miracle of oriental technology differs from the tank.
  10. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 20 November 2012 14: 51
    +3
    In my opinion everything depends on the price, the Chinese have offered the most cheap and training for free, that's all. And they don’t have so much money. And as they wrote above, there are tracks and a cannon. Why not a tank? soldier
  11. snek
    snek 20 November 2012 15: 09
    +2
    yay yay! where is the "Morozov" school with its weight culture?), so then the Chinese turned to the world - "give us at least something more powerful." Only Ukraine "gave" - ​​all the others stupidly "clamped" their engines. So there is no need for Andrei to cry over the Chinese achievement - they themselves are giving them dviguns - no one forces them, and they also blackmail them, as it happened in the case of Peru (Andrei does not write something about this fact, although he does mention Peru).

    As I understand it, this "article" is a fragment of some sracha in-depth discussions on the market of armored vehicles and tank engines in particular.
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 November 2012 15: 26
      +2
      Quote: snek
      this is a fragment of some sracha deep discussion

      This is a fragment of the Marlesonian epic between BTT Steel and Fire (Taras) and Gurk Khan attacks (troubles)
      1. snek
        snek 20 November 2012 15: 32
        0
        Quote: Kars
        This is a fragment of the Marlesonian epic between BTT Steel and Fire (Taras) and Gurk Khan attacks (troubles)

        Thanks, got it. Then only it’s not clear what she’s doing here. If the tank was discussed on a normal basis, it’s one thing, and so it’s just emotions.
  12. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 20 November 2012 15: 21
    +2
    Each country buys whatever weapon it can afford! The T-55 is like a tank, a good, solid machine. With the new dviglom, electronics and hinged armor, its characteristics did not deteriorate for sure. And coupled with China's pricing policy, it really justifies itself. I don’t want to get involved in politics, in relations between Russia and Ukraine - but Lord, you wouldn’t quarrel, but conquer sales markets together, then China will not grab where it "lies badly."
  13. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 20 November 2012 15: 41
    0
    Quote: kotdavin4i
    Wash everything rests on the price, the Chinese have offered the most cheap and training for free that's all

    Well! And most importantly, they forgot! According to operational data, with each tank 4 bags of rice for each crew member and a packet of powder from sweating feet are supplied free of charge! This is a service!
  14. bart74
    bart74 20 November 2012 15: 42
    0
    As far as I know, the Chinese are still armed with T-34s. So the upgraded T-55 is sooo cool! fellow
    1. snek
      snek 20 November 2012 15: 48
      0
      Quote: bart74
      As far as I know, the Chinese are still armed with T-34s.

      do not invent
  15. sergant89
    sergant89 20 November 2012 15: 47
    0
    Quote: kotdavin4i
    I don’t want to get involved in politics, in relations between Russia and Ukraine - but Lord, you wouldn’t quarrel, but conquer sales markets together, then China will not grab where it "lies badly."
    huge plus to you comrade
  16. 11 black
    11 black 20 November 2012 15: 51
    +3
    Quote: kotdavin4i
    in many respects superior to the T-90С (the presence of a panoramic sight of the commander, a modern MTO with the 6TD-2 engine, a modular reservation scheme).


    soooo and this is already interesting - we’ll understand what it is

    different from this


    in 1) a remotely controlled turret on t 90 is already there
    2) on the left side of the tower we observe a panoramic sight
    3) a laser range finder is installed just above the barrel
    4) rational tilt angles of armor
    and all this is visible to the naked eye, so about the superiority over t 90 - unhappy and unsuccessful joke wink
    1. Guun
      Guun 20 November 2012 16: 06
      0
      The price is different. A normal country will take T90 if it is not tight with the finals.
    2. Kars
      Kars 20 November 2012 16: 28
      +2
      For starters, for the sake of principle, put a photo of the T-90S and then you will reason something.
  17. Samovar
    Samovar 20 November 2012 17: 06
    +1
    T-90s with B-92C2 engines are in service with 6 (Six) countries: India, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Syria, Uganda, Tajikistan

    Well, about India, there are no other questions with the rest, but Syria and Tajikistan, how did they get on this list? request
  18. Nechai
    Nechai 20 November 2012 17: 26
    0
    Quote: Vanek
    Does anyone know where Bangladesh is?

    The People's Republic of Bangladesh (Beng. গণপ্রজাতন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশ), Bangladesh (Beng. বাংলাদেশ [ˈbaŋlad̪eʃ]) is a state in South Asia. It is surrounded by India along the entire perimeter, with the exception of small sections of the border with Myanmar in the southeast and the Bay of Bengal. Together with the modern Indian state, West Bengal forms the ethnolinguistic region of Bengal. The name Bangladesh in the official language of Bengali means "Country of Bengal."
    The current state of the border was recorded during the separation of Bengal and India in 1947, when under the name East Pakistan the region became part of the newly formed state of Pakistan. However, East Pakistan was separated from West Pakistan. Political and linguistic discrimination, as well as economic infringement, led to an increase in separatist sentiments against Pakistan, and the state of Bangladesh was formed as a result of the 1971 War of Independence. After gaining independence, the young state was faced with hunger, natural disasters, terrifying poverty, political instability and military coups. The restoration of democratic institutions became possible in 1991 during a period of calm political struggle and economic growth. As of today, Bangladesh is a secular democratic state [4] [5].
    Bangladesh is the eighth country in the world in terms of population and is included in the list of the most densely populated countries in the world with high poverty rates.

    But this is China's antiresno will copy al no? Ground vehicle under the acronym FANG (“fast, adaptive, ultra-modern”)
    1. InkGrey
      InkGrey 20 November 2012 18: 51
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      If not mistaken, the Americans refused this miracle, right? And the car is quite interesting, by the way. Although you can’t build it on any universal platform) ..
    2. Sergh
      Sergh 20 November 2012 21: 00
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      Quote: Nechai
      But this is China's antiresno will copy al no?

      On such "Bengamo" it is good to do the erigation of rice fields after a drought! That means there will be. You just need to show the steering wheel.
  19. suharev-52
    suharev-52 20 November 2012 23: 35
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    I still wouldn't water China so hard. They are good fellows in one set a goal and achieved. With the technical potential that China currently has, they can handle any projects. And we have degraded during this period so that it is time to call on a "new Stalin" to bring the country out of the impasse. If we don't do this now, it will be too late tomorrow (Aiphones in power will destroy Russia). Sincerely.
  20. yustas
    yustas 21 November 2012 07: 49
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    It’s not sad, but China has really escaped greatly lately, and no matter how we would not like to, it’s worth recognizing that in the near future they will be able to catch up and overtake us, so I completely agree
    Quote: suharev-52
    just right to call on the "new Stalin" to bring the country out of the impasse.

    if it’s not too late