The New York Times: The promised “stream” of NATO tanks to Ukraine is still more like a “stream”

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The New York Times: The promised “stream” of NATO tanks to Ukraine is still more like a “stream”

Almost a month has passed since the German government finally allowed the supply of its tanks "Leopard" to Ukraine. However, the media triumph that was observed in the first days is systematically replaced by skepticism associated with the revealed problems in the defense sphere of NATO countries.

As the authors of an article in The New York Times put it, the promised "flow" of NATO tanks to Ukraine is still more like a "stream". The publication explained that the reason for this was the unpreparedness of Europe for a large-scale ground war, the beginning of which in the West in recent years was considered unlikely.



As a result, according to experts, it turned out that the combat vehicles available in European arsenals are mostly out of order or not provided with spare parts. At the moment, the situation is such that out of about 2 thousand Leopard tanks of two models that are in service in different European countries, Germany and its allies are trying to “frantically scrape together” at least two tank battalions - 62 vehicles in order to transfer them to Kiev.

The material says that the reaction of the leaders of those countries that “pressed” on Chancellor Scholz, urging him to immediately give permission for the supply of German tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, deserves special attention.

At the same time, when the head of the German government "gave the go-ahead", it turned out that Germany and Poland were ready to transfer the largest number of Leopards-2 to Ukraine - 18 and 14 units respectively.

In turn, according to American experts, Finland, whose authorities have repeatedly accused Scholz of delay, is ready to supply 3 Leopards. However, this is not about tanks, but about demining machines.

Sweden "decided" to send only 10 tanks. At the same time, the country's authorities faced serious criticism from the military, who are not ready to "share" combat vehicles from their arsenals.

Spain, which was one of the first to request permission from Germany regarding the transfer of Leopards 2A4 to Kyiv, now, as it turned out, is not ready to send combat vehicles due to their poor condition.

Finally, The New York Times recalled the initiative of the authorities of Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands, who intend to modernize and send 150 Leopard 1 tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the end of the year. However, according to experts, this plan also ran into difficulties.

It turns out that there are simply no mechanic drivers in the German army who could train Ukrainian colleagues to manage outdated and decommissioned Leopards. In this regard, the German Ministry of Defense is forced to look for retired military men who could cope with this task.
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  1. +10
    March 2 2023
    The compilation of enemy articles is meaningless and stuffed with completely false information from enemy countries.
    1. 0
      March 2 2023
      Compiling enemy articles makes no sense

      moreover, the enemies use it as a channel to infiltrate and strengthen the fifth column in the enemy countries
    2. +3
      March 2 2023
      Quote: credo
      The compilation of enemy articles is meaningless and stuffed with completely false information from enemy countries.

      For some reason, after this "news", I remembered Sun Tzu
      War is a way of deception.
      ...if you can do anything, show your opponent that you can't.
      He died 2500 years ago, and words still work.
      1. +1
        March 2 2023
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: credo
        The compilation of enemy articles is meaningless and stuffed with completely false information from enemy countries.

        For some reason, after this "news", I remembered Sun Tzu
        War is a way of deception.
        ...if you can do anything, show your opponent that you can't.
        He died 2500 years ago, and words still work.

        The goal was not for the Americans to equip Ukraine with tanks. But for the Europeans to rush to supply their tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the United States will put their own in their place. As a result, the Americans have a monopoly on the same and Rheinmetall AG closes the production of tanks, forever !
  2. HAM
    +2
    March 2 2023
    How it all resembles an ordinary collective farm! Either the tractor driver is drunk, or the cow is dead ...
  3. +2
    March 2 2023
    The material says that the reaction of the leaders of those countries that “pressed” on Chancellor Scholz, urging him to immediately give permission for the supply of German tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, deserves special attention.
    The main "crusher" is a senile can with his cube.
  4. +4
    March 2 2023
    The key word is yet.. Does anyone doubt that the West will go to any lengths for the sake of our destruction? Moreover, if you can try to do it with the paws of Svidomites, who, by definition, do not feel sorry for ..
  5. 0
    March 2 2023
    Here we are reading all sorts of secondary news, breaking spears, and tonight (it was daytime in the USA), a little guy came from behind a puddle to the Russian leadership with a request not great, but very important - they ask for an EXTENSION OF THE GRAIN DEAL. What do you think, dear interlocutors, will we bend as usual or will we bargain a little?
  6. 0
    March 2 2023
    Many still believe in statistics and scream that the NATO army will crush the Russian one without the use of nuclear weapons. They stupidly look at the list of weapons and these narrow-minded people cannot understand that, in addition to the list of weapons, there is an amount in service ready to go into battle ... and these are two big differences .... therefore, where on the list, for example, there is superiority in weapons with Russia, then in real life, this superiority is NOT ... and even worse - in general, a minority.
    1. +4
      March 2 2023
      The main element of the US Army and NATO is aviation. As long as she doesn't participate.
      Tanks are not the main element of the US army and NATO. At the same time, the European NATO proceeded from the fact that a major war in Europe is impossible, and ground armies should be able to perform tasks in limited conflicts in a broad coalition.

      Actually, it is the postulate "The Great War is impossible" that is being canceled now, and the Europeans who scored on the army or built expeditionary forces (navy, aviation, mrap-like platforms, highly mobile troops) began to pour money into heavy vehicles and shell factories in the tens of billions.
      1. +1
        March 2 2023
        that's exactly what aviation is ... where it's still worse than with tanks ... even in the United States .... all of their F-22 and F-35 half are not combat-ready
  7. +1
    March 2 2023
    The New York Times, of course, encourages US partners in the military bloc with its articles. All tanks will come for the newly formed "offensive" corps of Ukraine. The recycling program called "to the last Ukrainian" was completed by only 25 percent.
  8. +3
    March 2 2023
    They lie, they will all find and supply both tanks and instructors for them.

    And we need to pay attention to how many tanks are in our troops and how things are with their repair and why there are no mine sweeps on our tanks going on the attack because of which they are blown up by mines and we lose both tanks and often people !!!

    Mine sweeps, can’t we supply the army in the right quantities too ?! Is it really cheaper than losing equipment and people ?!
    1. 0
      March 2 2023
      They lie, they will all find and supply both tanks and instructors for them.

      And why not deliver something, if for this - they don’t receive any answer? Even the most formal and pitiful..
  9. -7
    March 2 2023
    the reason for this was the unpreparedness of Europe for a large-scale ground war

  10. 0
    March 2 2023
    By the way, I noticed that if in some country the authorities are not particularly brisk in supplying weapons to Ukraine, the media there immediately begin to reproach these politicians saying they don’t supply them, etc., how bad, weak-willed. That is, the Western media is completely controlled by certain people who kill objectionable politicians who do not really want to supply weapons.
  11. 0
    March 2 2023
    Breshut. A kind of background is created. Cover action. I hope intelligence and the General Staff do not make decisions based on such "data" from articles.
  12. 0
    March 2 2023
    Well, what else! Vaughn, News-Vic reports "the largest Russian defeat from tanks near Ugledar ..." with reference to the coming out bosses. They are amazing at lying.
  13. +1
    March 2 2023
    The concept of 'Western democracy' is identical to the concepts of fascism/Nazism/colonialism/Lgbtism...
  14. 0
    March 2 2023
    The separation of politicians brought up by Soros and co from reality, they are used to the fact that the Chinese provide everything and for cheap, but here they themselves need it. Yes, of course, you shouldn’t flatter yourself, they will put more if necessary, as long as orc meat is considered endless and free, why spoil the equipment and so it will do.
  15. +1
    March 2 2023
    The New York Times: The promised “stream” of NATO tanks to Ukraine is still more like a “stream”

    Damn, they will drown in the mud at the very "I can't" ... Their tracks are narrow, and, accordingly, they will quickly get bogged down in the mud faster ... But our armored vehicles, indeed, tanks are not afraid of "dirt"!
  16. +2
    March 2 2023
    two tank battalions


    Scraped up:
    18+10+3 = this is the first on Leo2A6 and STRv122. He will probably be the first to assemble in full.
    14+8 (Canada 4+4) + 8 Norway + 6 Spain = second on Leo2A4. The first cars from Poland are already in the 4th Special Brigade. Canada has already shipped the first 4, and will ship the second 4 in the coming weeks. Norway in March Spain until the end of March.

    not ready to send combat vehicles due to their poor condition.


    They are ready to give everything A4. And this is not today's decision, but still far away. They've been trying to get rid of the A4 for 10 years now. The problem is funding. Initially, it was supposed to raise and modernize tanks for the customer (first Peru, and then Indonesia, but both contracts fell through). When the plant was the first to scream - we have unnecessary tanks, it was an attempt to get funding for the rise. However, no money was given. Now they are collecting the most alive tanks in the first batch of 6 pieces, like a total (although initially 10 were announced). However, this is probably not the last delivery of Leo2A4 and the plant has received money on the rise. They have about 100 cars. Some are heavily scanibalized.

    150 Leopard 1 tanks by the end of the year


    Well, they won't send 150. It will be less, I would bet on about 100.

    there are simply no mechanical drivers who could train Ukrainian colleagues in management


    Just an unsolvable problem wassat . Everyone forgot the T-62, too, but this does not interfere with their active rise.


    Also forgotten 14 Challengers + active ventilation of the search for the transmission path of Challengers 1. T-72 from Czech factories. T-72 from Bumar. Commodity quantity of Tvarda which Morawiecki has already announced.

    That is, approximate estimates for the year:
    60 Twardy
    about 200-250 T-72
    60 Leo2
    100 Leo1
    30 Abrams
    14 Challengers

    Throw hats on yourself.
    1. 0
      March 2 2023
      150 Leopard 1 tanks by the end of the year
      Well, they won't send 150. It will be less, I would bet on about 100.

      The Bundeswehr channel has an interview with a German general, as I understand it, he spoke in 2023 about 2 battalions on Leo2 and 4 on Leo1. IMHO, 4 baht Leo1 is 124 tanks.
      But this is without private firms, IMHO, for which SVO is the last chance to throw off Leo1.
  17. -1
    March 7 2023
    But the process is unfolding, incl. the process of repairing / restoring Leopards 2 and 1. At the same time, the rest of the weapons are in full. Bradley, Stryker, bridgelayers. They also deal with the issue of ammunition. No one abandoned the plans of the offensive. At the same time, both America and Europe have serviceable operating tanks, and if it is very necessary, they can obviously use them. Everything depends on the plans.

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