Bloomberg: The capture of the Russian Armed Forces of Bakhmut will bring the loss of the entire Donetsk region to Kiev

March 1 2023 53

More and more various military experts and analysts, including Western ones, come to the conclusion that Artemovsk (Bakhmut) has already been lost by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In this connection, the discussions are no longer so much about the timing of the capture of this settlement by Russian troops, but about the consequences of a future local defeat for Kyiv.

Thus, experts from Bloomberg in a recent publication expressed the opinion that the capture of the Russian Armed Forces of Bakhmut will bring Kiev closer to the loss of the entire Donetsk region, which Russia included in its composition last year.

It is worth noting here that the liberation of Artemovsk will indeed play an important role in the process of Russian forces entering the administrative borders of the DPR. Meanwhile, American experts are somewhat exaggerating, giving Bakhmut a key role in the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The liberation of Artemovsk will allow the RF Armed Forces to start moving towards the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration. However, there will be another serious obstacle in the way of the Russian military - this is Chasov Yar, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine will most likely withdraw troops when retreating from Bakhmut.

In addition, one should not forget about Avdiivka, which Ukrainian troops turned into a fortress in eight years, Vugledar and Seversk. In each of these settlements, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can take up defenses similar to the one they hold in Bakhmut.

At the same time, as Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Wagner PMC, said in one of his recent interviews, in addition to taking Bakhmut under control, his fighters have another important task - to "fetter" the enemy's forces as much as possible and inflict serious damage on them. in order to remove the "load" from other directions, allowing the RF Armed Forces to complete the task.

However, some analysts say that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny adheres to the same tactics. The latter throws reserves from the defense and mobilized into Bakhmut in order to gain time to prepare the most combat-ready units for the previously announced "spring offensive".

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voice of reason

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1 March 2023 10: 28

Yes, this has long been clear to everyone who understands more or less in military affairs! And only the sad cissus pigs grunt "the defense is fulfilling its task, while hundreds of thousands of fresh NATO brigades are preparing in the rear, then everyone will retreat to the next line and, in general, the NWO is taking a long time"
Once again, these are not chess squares. Yes, behind there are powerful fortifications in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, but it is not a fact that there will be someone to occupy them. In addition, the loss of the advertised "Bakhmut Fortress" will undermine both the morale and morale of not only the entire Ukrainian society, but also the remnants of the armed formations.
Not to mention the Western masters who think that the ukrovermacht will improve their negotiating position with an offensive and are not ready to accept the loss and surrender of cities.
Not to mention how much the experience and combat coherence of the PMC Wagner will grow, which, after Soledar, open Artemovsk and then they, apparently, will take care of both Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. Against this scrap, the enemy has no methods at all ...
1. dmi.pris1
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 37
  
  Oh, how! Everyone understands! How much Bakhmut is being stormed, how close it is to the liberation of Donbass? Such bravado is empty, unsupported nonsense. It’s rightly said, Chasov Yar is ahead, it’s not clear how much our soldiers will get stuck in battles there
  1. Lech from Android.
    
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    1 March 2023 10: 46
    
    So Prigogine said that at such a pace of advance, it would take two years to reach the borders of the DPR.
    1. dmi.pris1
      
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      1 March 2023 10: 52
      
      I don’t trust anyone now. There are too many soothsayers ... From Kiva, Yura Podolyaki, etc.. Respect to Prigozhin, of course, for his fighters, and to them, too, in the first place. But there are so many surprises that can come out. And possibly unpleasant for us .In the best case, there will be a long-term war
  2. Arbeiternegast
    
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    1 March 2023 10: 50
    
    Khkh'ly in the cart write about four leopards in Hours of Yar, and how much more Western equipment to fit there, by the time of the assault? Yes, and the mining of Ur is also not sugar ..
  3. Aaron Zawi
    
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    1 March 2023 10: 51
    
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    Oh, how! Everyone understands! How much Bakhmut is being stormed, how close it is to the liberation of Donbass? Such bravado is empty, unsupported nonsense. It’s rightly said, Chasov Yar is ahead, it’s not clear how much our soldiers will get stuck in battles there
    
    Nevertheless, there is logic in this. The sooner the RA takes Bakhmut, the sooner the assault on the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration will begin.
    1. aszzz888
      
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      1 March 2023 11: 04
      
      Aron Zaawi (Aron)
      Today, 10: 51
      NEW
      
      -1
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Oh, how! Everyone understands! How much Bakhmut is being stormed, how close it is to the liberation of Donbass? Such bravado is empty, unsupported nonsense. It’s rightly said, Chasov Yar is ahead, it’s not clear how much our soldiers will get stuck in battles there
      
      Nevertheless, there is logic in this. The sooner RA..
      is this a name in the Jewish-Merikatos manual?
      I believe that you are aware that the Russian armed forces have an official abbreviation - RF Armed Forces.
      I also, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, demanded that while on the website of the Russian Federation, you, as a foreigner, should not insult the RF Armed Forces
      I hope the site administration will also pay attention to the repeated public deliberate distortion and discrediting of our, Russian Armed Forces.
      1. Petr_Koldunov
        
        +5
        
        1 March 2023 11: 26
        
        Quote: aszzz888
        I also, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, demanded that while on the website of the Russian Federation, you, as a foreigner, should not insult the RF Armed Forces
        
        Well, what are you complaining about? You can also call him the IA army in response .... like a donkey from Winnie the Pooh
      2. Aaron Zawi
        
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        1 March 2023 14: 08
        
        Quote: aszzz888
        
        Aron Zaawi (Aron)
        Today, 10: 51
        NEW
        
        -1
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Oh, how! Everyone understands! How much Bakhmut is being stormed, how close it is to the liberation of Donbass? Such bravado is empty, unsupported nonsense. It’s rightly said, Chasov Yar is ahead, it’s not clear how much our soldiers will get stuck in battles there
        
        Nevertheless, there is logic in this. The sooner RA..
        is this a name in the Jewish-Merikatos manual?
        I believe that you are aware that the Russian armed forces have an official abbreviation - RF Armed Forces.
        I also, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, demanded that while on the website of the Russian Federation, you, as a foreigner, should not insult the RF Armed Forces
        I hope the site administration will also pay attention to the repeated public deliberate distortion and discrediting of our, Russian Armed Forces.
        
        Um. What's offensive about this abbreviation? Russian Army-RA. But if you are so suspicious, then I will write to the RF Armed Forces.
      3. Arbeiternegast
        
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        1 March 2023 14: 42
        
        I believe that you are aware that the Russian armed forces have an official abbreviation - RF Armed Forces.
        In the military ticket in the accounting category they write RA. (Russian army). I have MB (Ministry of Security). So what?
2. tomket
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 41
  
  In short, the urapatriots practically won
  1. Lech from Android.
    
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    1 March 2023 10: 47
    
    In short, the all-propellers practically lost.
    1. tomket
      
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      1 March 2023 10: 52
      
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In short, the all-propellers practically lost.
      
      Not. I am now in the sect of witnesses of a positional impasse and freezing of the conflict.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Vasyan1971
        
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        1 March 2023 11: 29
        
        Quote: tomket
        I'm in a sect now
        
        What sect were you in yesterday? And the day before yesterday? Which one are you planning to sign up for tomorrow?
        A flower dangling in the hole?
        
        tomket
        
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        1 March 2023 11: 35
        
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        What sect were you in yesterday? And the day before yesterday? Which one are you planning to sign up for tomorrow?
        Approximately before leaving Bucha, he was a furious cheer patriot, and then he realized that some kind of unhealthy shnyaga was happening.
        
        Lech from Android.
        
        +1
        
        1 March 2023 13: 29
        
        And I'm not trained to jump from sect to sect like that.
        And if someone crap himself in Bucha, this is not a reason to raise your hands up.
        
        Vasyan1971
        
        +1
        
        2 March 2023 00: 17
        
        There is such a thing - a weather vane, it's called.
3. The black
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 44
  
  American experts are somewhat exaggerating, giving Bakhmut a key role in the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  
  Agree. Bakhmut is one of the locks .... the key will still be the liberation of the Kramatorsk-Slavic anglomeration ...
  1. fima_tut
    
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    1 March 2023 11: 08
    
    If we were still standing under Balakleya, then yes, it is possible. It is no coincidence that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are clinging to Belogorovka.
4. Argon
  
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  1 March 2023 11: 30
  
  When will Donetsk be completely liberated?! Avdiyivka is right under your nose.
Alien From

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1 March 2023 10: 32

Every meter is worth a weight? There is no gold, but blood! How many people can be put there under such leaders is unknown.
1. tomket
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 45
  
  Quote: Alien From
  Every meter is worth a weight? There is no gold, but blood! How many people can be put there under such leaders is unknown.
  
  Today I read the details of how they entered Kharkov, and how the generals stopped the entry of heavy equipment by exposing the special forces to the blow of the Ukrainians, and then one general’s baker was smashed at the exit from the city. In principle, Comrade Mekhlis would not hurt now, who, as a result, would carry out thoughtful and thorough work, after which the general with a split physiognomy would be glad to run in the forefront to bathe. But Putin is not the same with us ...
  1. Lech from Android.
    
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    1 March 2023 10: 54
    
    Volodin is pushing through a law on punishment for discrediting members of the NWO, I'm afraid that now mediocre generals will feel like chocolate being taken out of any criticism ... this is very bad.
  2. Lech from Android.
    
    +1
    
    1 March 2023 10: 57
    
    Comrade Mekhlis also broke firewood in the Crimea, Comrade Stalin even advised him to moderate his ardor in search of the guilty ... since Mekhlis himself did not have the abilities of a competent commander.
    1. tomket
      
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      1 March 2023 11: 01
      
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Comrade Mekhlis also broke firewood in the Crimea, Comrade Stalin even advised him to moderate his ardor in search of the guilty ... since Mekhlis himself did not have the abilities of a competent commander.
      
      He was not a commander either. He was a commissar who looked after the generals. And by the way, he played a quite positive role there. The supply of KV tanks and heavy machine guns is his merit.
  3. fima_tut
    
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    1 March 2023 11: 03
    
    What is the entrance to Kharkov? Judging by the video, the start of the SVO 4-6 gas Tiger, which knocked out and that's it. So there is no need for tales here.
    1. tomket
      
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      1 March 2023 11: 06
      
      Quote from: fima_tut
      What is the entrance to Kharkov? Judging by the video, the start of the SVO 4-6 gas Tiger, which knocked out and that's it. So there is no need for tales here.
      
      That is, do you seriously think that the millionth city was originally going to be taken by 4-6 Tigers that you saw on the video? Are you being serious right now?
      1. Orange Bigg
        
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        1 March 2023 11: 13
        
        At the beginning of 2022, 2 million people lived in Kharkiv. In the summer of 2022, the population dropped to 300-400 thousand. Then everyone began to return back again. It is larger in area than the same Aleppo. And you yourself know how long it took to storm Aleppo.
    2. tomket
      
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      1 March 2023 11: 12
      
      Quote from: fima_tut
      What is the entrance to Kharkov? Judging by the video, the start of the SVO 4-6 gas Tiger, which knocked out and that's it. So there is no need for tales here.
      
      Druzhok, the 25th Luga brigade was standing in front of Kharkov, which was supposed to enter together with the Russian Guard. And 4-6 Tigers, this is part of those who were supposed to take control points before entering. They entered, and the entry of the Luga brigade was slowed down, and the video that you later saw was how they broke out of the city abandoned, some left, and some died trapped in the school. I read a long-standing article "Go there, they are waiting for you", this was about those who were squeezed at school. And the commander who managed to break through and cracked the breadmaker to the general who stopped the entry of the brigade.
Leader_Barmaleev

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1 March 2023 10: 36

In addition, one should not forget about Avdiivka, which Ukrainian troops turned into a fortress in eight years, Vugledar and Seversk. In each of these settlements, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can take up defenses similar to the one they hold in Bakhmut.

A reasonable question arises - where are all those ODABs about which the TV buzzed all ears? If we stomp in front of each town for a year, then it will no longer be a war (yes, I know, I know, about a special military operation) but ritual dances, and victory becomes an optional element, since it moves away in time to such a distant future that oh it’s not worth thinking about it ... Or is it such a cunning plan?
1. tomket
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 50
  
  Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
  A reasonable question arises - where are all those ODABs about which the TV buzzed all ears? If we stomp in front of each town for a year, then it will no longer be a war (yes, I know, I know, about a special military operation) but ritual dances, and victory becomes an optional element, since it moves away in time to such a distant future that oh it’s not worth thinking about it ... Or is it such a cunning plan?
  
  And where are the ODABs and why aviation worked so wonderfully for us, then the cycle of programs on Tactic Media "How Soviet Fighter Aviation Fought in 1942" very well leads to an understanding of this issue. There is a very interesting analysis of the formation and path of aviation commanders. And in short, if you have a commander-in-chief of a boot, then, by definition, he may not know many things, but may not understand in principle, since he is not a pilot, and not even a good staff officer like Novikov.
Invoce

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1 March 2023 10: 38

A butcher by vocation.
All Ukropitek's Nazi elite are butchers. They work for money ... And they will run away as soon as they smell of fried ...
1. dmi.pris1
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 43
  
  I don’t argue. Only who is working for the idea now? Will they run away? I hope that they will be lifted onto a pitchfork. But this time has not come yet
2. The black
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 50
  
  A butcher by vocation.
  If you face the truth, then Zaluzhny, albeit a fascist henchman, is one of the most intelligent generals of the ukrovermacht.
  1. Bodipancher
    
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    1 March 2023 11: 20
    
    In Moscow, after all, he studied, the Soviet school
    1. Ryazan87
      
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      1 March 2023 11: 35
      
      Zaluzhny was never a member of either a Soviet or a Russian educational institution:
      1993 - Novograd-Volynsk Engineering College;
      1997 - Odessa Institute of Ground Forces;
      2007 - National Defense Academy of Ukraine;
      2014 - National Defense University of Ukraine;
      2020 - Ostroh Academy.
      He is only 49 years old. And what he constantly emphasizes is the need to move away from Soviet doctrines and practices.
      R.S. however, in reality, he successfully and ruthlessly reproduces certain Soviet experience.
RusGr

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1 March 2023 10: 47

And what if we don’t take the cities that were equipped for defense head on, but deep coverage of the encirclement and go to the front, in the rear of the encircled people are already hammering, as in Mariupol. The same Carbon et al.
1. Tma197725
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 54
  
  And leave large groups behind. Spray forces to block? And their forces are not so much! Do you want a laugh? Our volunteer recruiting offices do not take much! Mystery!
  1. RusGr
    
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    1 March 2023 11: 05
    
    Well, I don’t know, about the volunteers now, this month ... When I left home three times with things, on subpoenas to the military registration and enlistment office, they rowed everyone voluntarily and not very much, and who were under investigation, and who did not serve volunteers.
2. tomket
  
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  1 March 2023 10: 56
  
  Quote: RusGr
  And what if we don’t take the cities that were equipped for defense head on, but deep coverage of the encirclement and go to the front, in the rear of the encircled people are already hammering, as in Mariupol. The same Carbon et al.
  
  1600 km of the border, places for an unexpected strike at least one place rui. But in order to understand this, you need some kind of basic military education, at least serve a term, which Shoigu, unfortunately, does not even have this.
3. Bully
  
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  1 March 2023 12: 10
  
  But what if we don’t take the cities that were equipped for defense head on, but the deep coverage of the environment
  
  Knowledgeable people say that the implementation of these events is hindered by the lack of well-coordinated units and formations in the required number, as well as the wildest communication problems.
bravo77

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1 March 2023 10: 48

Yeah
and avdiivka will be like lessoto in south africa
bravo77

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1 March 2023 10: 50

Did Kramatorsk, Slavyanks, etc. have already lost in the casino?
bravo77

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1 March 2023 10: 56

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
In addition, one should not forget about Avdiivka, which Ukrainian troops turned into a fortress in eight years, Vugledar and Seversk. In each of these settlements, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can take up defenses similar to the one they hold in Bakhmut.

A reasonable question arises - where are all those ODABs about which the TV buzzed all ears? If we stomp in front of each town for a year, then it will no longer be a war (yes, I know, I know, about a special military operation) but ritual dances, and victory becomes an optional element, since it moves away in time to such a distant future that oh it’s not worth thinking about it ... Or is it such a cunning plan?

the feeling that this is a war in which not only those behind the United States (404), China for the Russian Federation, but also the authorities on both sides are interested,
there, at least both have elections, in which the well-known historical postulate needs to "rally around the leader during the war" (with conics which are not changed to ..)
and the longer the war, the greater the military budgets,
well, if you destroy more there, it’s just that the Klondike will be under restoration
Seryoga Nemuslim

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1 March 2023 10: 58

8 years ago, they would have taken all of Novorossia along the green corridor, and as a result, a bloody gnawing.
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Shamil88

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1 March 2023 11: 11

Their main line of defense in the DPR is in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, and these cities are quite large compared to Bakhmut, by the time we reach these cities, the Ukrainians will receive all the weapons that they were promised, Ukrainians do not leave a single settlement without a fight, Wagner is not an endless infantry, the best assault squads are now losing in Bakhmut, they will also run out of steam soon, the loss of Bakhmut will not change anything strategically. If we go on like this in the forehead, we will release at least another year in the DPR.
Bully

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1 March 2023 11: 13

The latter throws reserves from the defense and mobilized into Bakhmut in order to gain time to prepare the most combat-ready units for the previously announced "spring offensive".

This message is logical and understandable.

remove the "load" from other areas, allowing the RF Armed Forces to complete the task

And here is full fog
nobody75

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1 March 2023 11: 24

I think that we need to go to Slavyansk in May. As part of the beginning of the summer company. In the meantime, the mudslide - you need to take advantage of the tyranny of GK Zhukov (which led to an air battle over the Kuban) and conduct an air campaign in March to destroy the city's infrastructure.
As for storming the enemy's fortifications in a predetermined order... I don't like this idea! I think that we need to use the strategy of the 17th century, which was successfully applied against the Commonwealth. When the most combat-ready troops of Ukraine are occupied in the south by the Transnistria and Crimea, strike in the north, from Belarus ...
Sincerely
Petr_Koldunov

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1 March 2023 11: 33

I'm going crazy with this West and ukroreich!
Either Artemovsk has no strategic significance for them - then it is the cornerstone of the entire defense ...
Either the troops are there only from mobiks, only in order to tie the Russian offensive with exhausting battles, or the elite units are transferred from the western region to hold the city ...
That leaving Artemovsk does not bear any consequences - then with its loss the situation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine becomes critical ...

Will there still be a single assessment of this settlement from the western side?
Ryazan87

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1 March 2023 11: 43

Bakhmut will probably leave the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the near future - if he does not decide to counterattack. The capture of this settlement has no strategic or operational significance. Tactical success, bought at a very high price. The ukrov have reserves, the defensive lines are prepared.
What's next? dull and bloody frontal swotting of Seversk? Or Toretsk? Yar's clock? 150th assault on Avdiivka or Maryinka?
I think rather calm until mid-spring. Then the key battle will take place, which will decide the fate of the 2023 campaign, and possibly the entire war. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will throw reserves prepared and equipped with Western equipment into the offensive in order to repeat the Kharkov success.
bravo77

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1 March 2023 15: 40

Quote: RusGr
And what if we don’t take the cities that were equipped for defense head on, but deep coverage of the encirclement and go to the front, in the rear of the encircled people are already hammering, as in Mariupol. The same Carbon et al.

to do this, first you need to find the courage (in the leadership) and the technical capabilities to bomb known bridges, destroy supply nodes, etc.
otherwise it will be a game of cat and mouse, where the dill will have an advantage in the open spaces of the steppes due to better interaction due to intelligence and the proximity of supplies
bravo77

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1 March 2023 15: 47

Quote: Black
American experts are somewhat exaggerating, giving Bakhmut a key role in the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Agree. Bakhmut is one of the locks .... the key will still be the liberation of the Kramatorsk-Slavic anglomeration ...

after how many years is the release?
given that this agglomeration is 5 times larger and even imagine
that huge human reserves and equipment not inferior to NATO, and not the one from conservation, will be taken from the casket.
and what is there for shells, I’m afraid even China and the DPRK don’t have so many of them, if we project Bakhmut’s expenditure on taking new frontiers
Herman 4223

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2 March 2023 10: 45

If we do not put the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the fact of defeat. We will not force you to pull out reserves for plugging holes. That by itself will be an offensive from that side. I hope that our reserves in this case will be where they need to be and in sufficient quantities.
As I believe at the expense of the offensive of Ukraine, if it takes place, then it will be an operation with the crossing of the Dnieper and a quick breakthrough to the Crimean isthmus in order to cut off our grouping in the Kherson region and open the road to the Crimea.