Voenkor spoke about the problem for German tanks in Ukraine

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Voenkor spoke about the problem for German tanks in Ukraine

That Kyiv will receive Tanks NATO model, no one had any doubts. In particular, there have already been reports of the arrival of the first Leopards in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, while various experts are discussing how combat-ready Western tanks are and what difficulties await the RF Armed Forces during the confrontation with these vehicles, Russian military commander Alexander Sladkov in his TG channel spoke about a serious problem that the Leopards will face on the territory of our “western neighbor”.



According to him, the "imported" tanks are too heavy, and our (respectively, most Ukrainian) bridges are not suitable for them.

It is worth noting that the second version of the German "cat" is really very heavy. So modification 2A4 weighs more than 55 tons, and 2A6 - 63 tons at all. For comparison, our T-72 has a mass of 41 tons, T-80 - 42 tons (T-80U - 46 tons), and T-90 - 46,5 tons.

According to Sladkov, this is the reason for the transfer by Germany of Biber tank bridge layers for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in excess of the planned norm.

At the same time, the military commissar noted that "supermassive" German tanks would become a real "headache" for the Ukrainian troops. After all, at the time of the crossing using Biber vehicles, not only the Leopard itself, but also the bridgelayer will fall under the blow of the gunners of the RF Armed Forces.

However, the expert suggested that the increase in the number of deliveries of engineering equipment may be due to another reason.

Sladkov admitted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to attack fortified Russian positions, for example, in Belgorod. Meanwhile, the military commissar stressed that in addition to the ditches of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, concrete gouges, minefields, minimum wages and firing points are also waiting. Therefore, the offensive for the Ukrainian troops and the German tanks handed over to them will not be an easy walk.

We are ready!

- wrote Sladkov.
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  1. +1
    28 February 2023 14: 03
    And how much does Armata weigh? The heavier the tank, the longer it will burn ...))). But seriously, why do they need leopards? Especially in such quantities? Run in battle for advertising? Then they probably already came up with a plan, how they "bravo" fight ?! Then the second question, why not abrams?
    1. +2
      28 February 2023 14: 05
      Then the second question, why not abrams?
      60 tons tank.
      1. 0
        28 February 2023 14: 07
        Quote: Arzoo
        Then the second question, why not abrams?
        60 tons tank.


        Moreover, it burns well even from RPG-7, as the Iraqi experience showed.
    2. +5
      28 February 2023 14: 08
      1) Armata has an approximate weight of 50-55 tons.
      2) Abrasha weighs 60+ tons. Only the Merkava is heavier.
      1. -2
        28 February 2023 14: 11
        Voenkor spoke about the problem for German tanks in Ukraine
        Today, 13: 58
        6

        your mouse ... is not like that, there are problems ... hospade ....
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        2. 0
          28 February 2023 14: 19
        3. +3
          28 February 2023 14: 29
          Already, they say, there is under Chasovy Yar (it flashed on the radio).
          Through the whole country they calmly passed under our "close supervision" ...
          1. +3
            28 February 2023 15: 03
            Quote: barclay
            Through the whole country they calmly passed under our "close supervision" ...

            And remember how at the very beginning of the NWO we shouted loudly that everything that crosses the border would be destroyed to zero.
            How bad, we, it turns out, knew about the capabilities of our army and how great was the disappointment from the truth.
            1. -4
              28 February 2023 15: 08
              So it is destroyed to zero, on the front line. No one promised instant annihilation at the moment of crossing the Ukrainian border. From whose "truth" did you experience disappointment? And isn't it time to have your head on your shoulders, so as not to be disappointed in other people's truths?
              1. SSR
                -1
                28 February 2023 21: 26
                Quote: Gestas
                From whose "truth" did you experience disappointment? And isn't it time to have your head on your shoulders, so as not to be disappointed in other people's truths?

                Well, for each truck there is a "Dagger", well, or X102. Either the Tu-95 comes over Lviv, throws off the ODAB and busily returns back for the next ODAB.
      2. -3
        28 February 2023 16: 36
        Quote: PROXOR
        1) Armata has an approximate weight of 50-55 tons.
        2) Abrasha weighs 60+ tons. Only the Merkava is heavier.

        You also need to take into account the width and length of the tracks, according to which the pressure per 1 sq.cm is calculated. the armata is small, like the Soviet tanks.
        1. +4
          28 February 2023 22: 10
          The bridge doesn't care what caterpillars the tank has.
    3. 0
      28 February 2023 14: 25
      Among the Bandera people there are characters who are sick in the head, who are boiling over in order to ride and, if they have time, shoot from a German tank, and against Muscovites.
      Although, in these "Polish" there may be Polish crews.
      Ps: I wonder if they will weld hatches?
      1. +3
        28 February 2023 15: 05
        Quote: barclay
        Among the Bandera people there are characters who are sick in the head, who are boiling over in order to ride and, if they have time, shoot from a German tank, and against Muscovites.
        Although, in these "Polish" there may be Polish crews.

        Taking into account those promised bonuses and awards for the destruction of NATO tanks, they are also eagerly awaited from our side. So, in place of the ukrovoyak or the Poles, I would think about which tank is better to sit in - the Leopard or the T-64
      2. -1
        28 February 2023 15: 24
        Quote: barclay
        Although, in these "Polish" there may be Polish crews.
        Ps: I wonder if they will weld hatches?

        The Poles will plant Bandera and weld hatches.
    4. +5
      28 February 2023 14: 30
      Quote: Argon
      Then the second question, why not abrams?

      The Abrams will wait until the Leopards are on fire, advertising for the former, anti-advertising for the latter. The whole West will buy first, the US military-industrial complex gains, Germany losses.
    5. -1
      28 February 2023 15: 04
      But seriously, why do they need leopards?

      LMS, communications, integrated network centric.
      10 HIMARS were also mocked...
      And it turned out "they will detract in the fall"
      Then the second question, why not abrams?

      Let me remind you that Germany allowed the supply of lepards ONLY AFTER the United States confirmed the supply of 10 Abrams.
      As a result: Europe will send 200-300 vehicles, and the USA -10, then the fleet of European tanks will be replaced by Abrams for $.
      1. -2
        28 February 2023 15: 27
        I will not evaluate your first answer, I completely agree with the second ...
    6. 0
      28 February 2023 15: 54
      The Germans both want and prick. Of course, objectively, a tank can only show itself in the conditions of a modern war. If he shows himself worthy, the Germans are lucky. And if not? .. Then all the efforts of the whole design bureau and billion-dollar contracts are down the drain. The same picture is with our tanks. A real battle will show whose design school of tank building is better. With all my heart I wish our tankers victory.
    7. +1
      28 February 2023 17: 55
      Quote: Argon
      And how much does Armata weigh?

      Up to 55 tons
      Quote: Argon
      Then the second question, why not abrams?

      Because one of the tasks of the United States now is to turn Germany completely into a dependent state, that is, to deprive not only political, economic, but also military power
      We are ready!
      - wrote Sladkov.
      It remains to understand why ...
  2. -4
    28 February 2023 14: 04
    I don't know about Belgorod. But in Zaporozhye they are already waiting!
  3. +6
    28 February 2023 14: 04
    So it was already in the news today that the molds were seen in front of Artyomovseom. If Russian tanks are not afraid of dirt, why should the German ones be afraid. They will find how to use them. Do they have the width of the tracks, which has anyone measured on them now?
    1. +1
      28 February 2023 14: 12
      Quote: tralflot1832
      If Russian tanks are not afraid of dirt, why should the German ones be afraid.

      Any tanks require them to be afraid, but ours have a lower threshold of fear, simply because they are lighter.
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Just think, they will let the infantry in front of you, if it does not fall into the ground, then the tank must pass.
      Do they have infantrymen weighing a tank?
      1. +2
        28 February 2023 14: 20
        There is experience in using tigers and panthers in World War II, reconnaissance was carried out with the commander and the driver. If they didn’t fall into the ground in shoes until a certain point, then they will pass. The Germans on the Kola Peninsula did not succeed with tanks, but we even succeeded very .
        1. 0
          28 February 2023 17: 57
          Quote: tralflot1832
          reconnaissance was carried out with the commander and the driver. If they didn’t fall into the ground in shoes until a certain point, then they will pass.

          Something is doubtful. So you can check a small place that is suspicious, but it will no longer be possible to maintain a database.
      2. -1
        28 February 2023 14: 23
        You do not understand anything ! if the tanks get stuck, they will push him out!
        1. +2
          28 February 2023 14: 57
          Against whom the Leopards were created, probably against our tanks. And they were not going to drive only on autobahns.
      3. +1
        28 February 2023 15: 07
        Quote: Dart2027
        Do they have infantrymen weighing a tank?

        Are there infantrymen with boots as large as caterpillars?
        1. +1
          28 February 2023 17: 58
          Quote: Gritsa
          boots as square as caterpillars

          Making "boots" is not a question, but the rest is more difficult.
      4. +2
        28 February 2023 15: 28
        When passing mud, it is not the weight of the tank that matters, but the specific pressure on the ground
        Specific ground pressure Leopard-2 depending on modification
        Average specific ground pressure, kgf/sq cm 0,83 - 0,90

        T-72
        Specific ground pressure, kg/cm² 0,83–0,87

        T-90
        Specific ground pressure, kg/cm² Т-90(С): 0,938 Т-90А(СА): 0,97

        For comparison
        T- 34-85
        Specific ground pressure, kg/cm2 0,83
    2. +8
      28 February 2023 15: 10
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Do they have the width of the tracks, which is now measured on them by someone?

      Leopard 2A4/Leopard 2A5: Specific ground pressure, 0,88/0,92 kg/cm
      Obstacle obstacles:
      wall height, m ​​1,15
      pit width, m 3,0
      ford depth, m 2,25
      vs
      T-72 "Ural" (consider empty)
      Specific ground pressure, kg/cm² 0,83–0,87
      in general, moaning about the mass and what will sink in the black soil is exaggerated
      1. +1
        28 February 2023 18: 45
        Quote from solar
        When passing mud, it is not the weight of the tank that matters, but the specific pressure on the ground

        Quote from Digger
        in general, moaning about the mass and what will sink in the black soil is exaggerated

        I'm embarrassed to ask, do you understand the difference between skis? those than roller, for snow, water differ?
    3. SSR
      +1
      28 February 2023 21: 31
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Maybe it’s enough to inflate fairy tales about weight. They’ll find how to use them. Do they have the width of the tracks that someone measured on them now?

      Kamrad, there is only one soil, the discussion was about crossing bridges, and then add at least three more tracks, there are 60 tons on the bridge, then with the advent of 7 tracks, the tank will not become Thumbelina for the bridge.
      This was discussed initially. Imha.
  4. VB
    -10
    28 February 2023 14: 10
    Or maybe it’s better not to let them reach the front line and destroy them when crossing the border and on the way? But the reindeer herders and their boss would never think of that. Grain deal on the way and Chinese proposals for reconciliation. Gesheftmachers.
    1. -3
      28 February 2023 14: 29
      already everyone here is tired of the same thing, bridges and railway overpasses are inviolable, well, shoo, ish thought up here (
    2. 0
      28 February 2023 14: 43
      Quote: VB
      But the reindeer herders and their boss would never think of that. Grain deal on the way and Chinese proposals for reconciliation. Gesheftmachers.

      If you want the enemy to respect your army, learn to respect your own command, which, by the way, is pushing the NATO enemy on all fronts.
      Or is it not your army?
      1. -5
        28 February 2023 15: 10
        Quote: Sarboz
        which, by the way, is pushing the NATO enemy on all fronts

        So far, I can see what is pushing the enemy PMC. But to destroy the infrastructure and the approach of reserves at long distances, unfortunately, is not the task of PMCs. That is why the result is this - the tanks are already near Artemovsk, because the Moscow Region is sleeping.
        1. +2
          28 February 2023 16: 08
          Quote: Gritsa
          So far, I can see what is pushing the enemy PMC.

          The PMC is operationally subordinate to the command of the Russian group, performs the tasks assigned by the command with the support of cannon and rocket artillery and front-line aviation.
          Quote: Gritsa
          But to destroy the infrastructure and the approach of reserves at long distances, unfortunately, is not the task of PMCs.

          For example February 27
          Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery of groups of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation defeated 98 artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at firing positions, manpower and equipment in 173 districts in a day.

          In the area of ​​​​the settlement of Brovary, Kyiv region, the center of electronic intelligence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was hit. In the area of ​​​​the city of Khmelnitsky, the operational center of special operations "West" was hit.
      2. VB
        -4
        28 February 2023 15: 46
        14 years old SA, father - 20 years old SA, grandfather - RA, Kr.A, 1938. great-grandfather - RA - 1937. Whose army? I don't need to be taught. Died, who had the right to do so, choose expressions.
        1. +3
          28 February 2023 16: 02
          Quote: VB
          I don't need to be taught. Died, who had the right to do so, choose expressions.

          I didn't insult you. And you must always learn. I see that with your insulting epithets addressed to our command, you are pouring water on the mill of specialists from the CIPSO. You help the enemy to introduce uncertainty into the fragile minds of our layman. So think all the same, whose army.
      3. SSR
        +2
        28 February 2023 21: 39
        Quote: Sarboz
        learn yourself to respect your command, which, by the way, is pushing the NATO enemy on all fronts.
        Or is it not your army?

        Dear Sarboz, many of us here still know how to play football, it’s true that they themselves chase something more than others more often, but as they say, seeing the battle from the outside, everyone imagines himself a strategist.
        Respect? A good third of members of the forum will not raise their butts in public transport to give way to the elderly, women or children.
        If not themselves, then the majority, their children do not do this.
  5. -2
    28 February 2023 14: 15
    A German tank in Ukraine is already a problem.
  6. +2
    28 February 2023 14: 16
    Honestly, I didn’t want to ride in those tanks. Just imagine knocking out a GERMAN tank on our land, it just works in historical memory - kill a German, kill a fascist.
    What a soldier will do with a jumping tanker, he will simply kill.
  7. +4
    28 February 2023 14: 23
    2A4 weighs like a panzer howitzer, which, as we see, had no problems with bridges. soldier
    1. +1
      28 February 2023 18: 58
      Quote: spirit
      2A4 weighs like a panzer howitzer, which, as we can see, had no problems with bridges

      and where are they? widely used?
      1. -2
        28 February 2023 19: 30
        There, in Ukraine, go to the front and have a look.
        Used as much as they put, now 28 units.
        1. 0
          28 February 2023 19: 41
          Quote: Sanguinius
          There, in Ukraine, go to the front and have a look.
          Used as much as they put, now 28 units.

          how are chimaris used? Have you already delivered a hundred pieces today? )))))))
  8. -3
    28 February 2023 14: 26
    Quote: Arzoo
    Then the second question, why not abrams?
    60 tons tank.

    Merkava should be taken)) only who will give it, and why is it at this theater ...
  9. +6
    28 February 2023 14: 28
    The Tiger tank weighed 57 tons and cut through the same fields quite well.
  10. +4
    28 February 2023 14: 28
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: tralflot1832
    If Russian tanks are not afraid of dirt, why should the German ones be afraid.

    Any tanks require them to be afraid, but ours have a lower threshold of fear, simply because they are lighter.
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Just think, they will let the infantry in front of you, if it does not fall into the ground, then the tank must pass.
    Do they have infantrymen weighing a tank?

    It's not the weight that drives, but the specific pressure! The world's first (Anglican) tankers tested the patency of mud with an officer's stack using the sticking method. If the stack does not sink, then the tanks will pass. The patency of human people and tanks is quite comparable. It's just that people can choose the best path for their small size, not to mention all fours and crawling. A standing one exerts a specific pressure comparable to a tank
  11. -2
    28 February 2023 14: 58
    We are ready!
    . A bold, reassuring statement after someone bleated out there that they weren't preparing for this.
    Okay, do not trust our soldiers, this is the last thing, but the top ones ... everything is more difficult or easier here, which way to look at !!!
  12. +5
    28 February 2023 15: 02
    In the year that way, in the 96th, a Greek tender for tanks was held. So, Mr. Sladkov, out of 20 shots of the Leopard with the Greek crew, 19 were on target, the Greeks on the T-80U hit only 8 out of 20 ...
  13. 0
    28 February 2023 15: 13
    The main problem for the Leopards, with all their advantages and disadvantages, in my opinion, is our Russian soldier.
  14. +8
    28 February 2023 15: 20
    According to him, the "imported" tanks are too heavy, and our (respectively, most Ukrainian) bridges are not suitable for them.

    It is worth noting that the second version of the German "cat" is really very heavy. So modification 2A4 weighs more than 55 tons, and 2A6 - 63 tons at all.

    A frankly bogus problem. The normal weight of a loaded truck is about 40 tons. If the bridge does not break under two oncoming trucks, then the tank will pass through this bridge without the slightest problem.
    1. 0
      28 February 2023 20: 51
      Sladkov almost always comes up with some kind of nonsense and gives out
  15. -7
    28 February 2023 15: 32
    Leopards as underground boats in the steppes of Ukraine. They will burn for a sweet soul, and Ours will bet who will set fire to the leopards!
  16. +2
    28 February 2023 16: 55
    A priori, any tank is created for combat operations in off-road conditions ..........., and burning - everyone is burning.
  17. +1
    28 February 2023 18: 16
    The first and main problem will be - competent operation. And it's quite as simple as some people who are far from technology think.
  18. -1
    28 February 2023 18: 17
    Z.Y. A6, A4 are of real value - a mass grave of four.
  19. 0
    28 February 2023 20: 51
    Hollows, gouges and other engineering barriers)))))
  20. 0
    28 February 2023 21: 07
    What do you mean it won't be an easy ride??? It, the offensive should choke as soon as it starts !!!
  21. SIT
    -2
    28 February 2023 21: 37
    If at least one Leopard reaches the front line, the entire leadership of the Moscow Region will be court martialed and sent to the penal battalion to the front, if they prove that this is just their gouging, and not treason.
  22. +2
    28 February 2023 21: 48
    Personal opinion...
    The problem is that new equipment was installed for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Will these Leopards, Challengers and Abrams stand still, drown in the black earth or attack - it would be better if there were not enough steel for all of them, and not one of them turned out to be against our soldiers.
  23. 0
    28 February 2023 21: 50
    And let's not calm ourselves, but decide how to deal with them
  24. -1
    1 March 2023 11: 54
    Yes, there is no such bridge, which held 46 tons, but not 65. Bridges count on 3, or even more, overload.

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