Exchange in American: Jackson-Vanik amendment changed to Magnitsky list

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The event occurred last week. The US House of Representatives voted to repeal the Jackson-Vanik amendment by majority vote. Yes, against the very amendment of the 1974 model of the year to the Trade Act.

Recall that the authors of the amendment, Henry Jackson and Charles Vanik, proposed a number of restrictive measures on trade with those countries of the world that prevented the free emigration of their citizens. The application of the 70 model of the main legislative blow to the Soviet Union was connected with the fact that Moscow, to put it mildly, was reluctant to emigrate Soviet citizens, including to Israel.

It would seem that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Jackson-Vanik amendment, which did not allow bilateral trade between Russia and the USA to develop, should have been canceled immediately. After all, the collapse of the USSR marked a new era, which was characterized by the fact that anyone and anywhere could emigrate from Russia. If you want to Israel - please, if you want to Germany - no problem. Although in Zimbabwe, go for permanent residence - no obstacles.

However, even the collapse of the USSR did not become a starting point for American politicians in terms of repealing a very original amendment to the Trade Act. Time passed, and every new American president literally swore that he would do everything so that the unfortunate amendment imposing restrictions on trade operations between the United States and the Russian Federation was canceled. But the presidents were changing, and the amendment remained intact, like a rare beast in the American political reserve. Parliamentarians every time found a lot of reasons to leave the amendment in its rightful place. In this case, the last intelligible reason was expressed that way in the year of 87, no later.

But here is the year 2012, the congressmen from the Lower House of the American Parliament nevertheless were honored and adopted a bill to repeal the Jackson-Vanik amendment. It would seem that both Russians and Americans can gather at one big round table and, opening a bottle of champagne, proceed to celebrate a historic event.

Only now the holiday did not immediately set. Why? Yes, the whole point is that the draft law on the abolition of the amendment was most closely linked to the need to adopt the so-called list (act) of Magnitsky. A sort of act of good American parliamentary will in the range. Well, a typical variant of merchandising: to a poorly sold product (or a product with a short expiration date), store employees use adhesive tape to fasten a more popular product: you want to buy a can of mayonnaise, and there is also a lollipop tied to it - in the load. In this regard, the cancellation of the Jackson-Vanik amendment looks like American political merchandising, when they decided to push the Magnitsky act into the load, which has about the same relation to mutual trade between Russia and the United States as problems with the emigration of the Jewish population from the USSR in the 70s.

The Magnitsky Act itself for the American parliamentarians obviously became the very lifeline that finally allowed the swim of the foul-smelling liquid, which the Jackson-Vanik amendment had become in 38 years of its existence. Like, Russia wanted to get the abolition of this amendment - get the same! But only in conjunction with our "original list". In general, the lifeline brought the American politicians of the House of Representatives from one dirty slurry to another ...

No, regarding the Magnitsky list, no one is going to sprinkle ashes on his head. No one is going to shout at every corner, “Ahh, some Russian prosecutors, judges and prison staff do not get to the United States now!” If these people are somehow involved in the death of lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, then they must suffer a fair punishment. If they are guilty of the fact that the lawyer died in the hospital of the detention facility, then it should not be determined by the overseas “honored guesses” at all.

According to which international law, the authorities of another state declare their ability to judge people as guilty, without any court decisions. But what about the presumption of innocence, which is considered to be the pillar of Western criminal law ... Or is this basic platform for dealing with suspects working only in the United States and exclusively in terms of American citizens? Apparently, such a legal nuance does not bother the American congressmen at all. And now, in general, little confuses. If you believe the data of the US statistical agencies, then only every tenth American trusts the work of the Congress. That is why, even in the United States itself, the current composition of the Congress is perceived by the people as a kind of Kunstkamera, in which amazing individuals are seated in their places, who often make absolutely senseless decisions.

On this occasion, expressed the US Congressman Ron Paul. In an interview with the Voice of Russia radio station, he states that the Lower House of the US Parliament has made a clearly provocative decision, which clearly will not help revitalize bilateral ties between Russia and the United States. Ron Paul is convinced that the law is an attempt to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia and a clear disregard for the laws of a foreign state.

Ron Paul is by no means the only representative of the American Congress who speaks out against linking the repeal of the Jackson-Vanik amendment with the Magnitsky Act. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher called on the American parliamentarians to finally understand that the Soviet Union had long since disappeared from the map of the Earth, and to associate modern Russia with it is a terrible retrograde.

However, neither the opinion of Paul, nor the opinion of Rohrabacher, nor the opinion of his own voters do not care at all those who spoke in favor of linking the two legislative initiatives. Saying this may not at all mean that in the United States someone cares about the observance of anti-corruption legislation in Russia, and certainly not about the fact that Congress is trying in this way to promote the development of Russian legislation. It’s just that there are special forces behind the people who voted with both hands to cancel the obviously outdated Jackson-Vanik amendment with the simultaneous and indispensable adoption of the Magnitsky Act. And these forces will do everything to ensure that Russian-American relations never become partnerships.

At the same time, the Americans themselves are well aware that the deterioration of relations with Russia is not at all included in the plans of American business. Recently, the Jackson-Vanik amendment did not allow the US business community to take advantage of full-fledged trade with Russia. It turns out that even business here is not the main thing for the American authorities. And most importantly - the ghosts of the Cold War, who roam in Congress until now and in no way haunt those who shudder at the mere mention of the word "Russia".
Obviously, even if Magnitsky’s act is once canceled in legislative form in the United States, our transatlantic, forgive, Lord, the partners will still search for internal reserves and will introduce other legal initiatives in his place. The amendment “traffic jams on Moscow roads, preventing American citizens from moving freely in the Russian capital” or the act of “Infringement of LGBT rights - communities”.

In general, if someone has the illusion that from the American government offices we only want good, then it is time to say goodbye to these illusions. Yes, and respond with your "lists" is also meaningless. But to think of an asymmetrical answer is quite possible. To abandon the use of American payment systems, for example ... The main thing is that such an answer does not become ordinary populism, but becomes a complex of well-thought-out measures that would make the US politicians understand that “to roll Vanka” again and again will not work.

Lavrov warned Clinton about the Russian response to the "Magnitsky law"

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters that he personally warned US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that Russia would adequately respond to "Magnitsky law."

“The case in Washington is practically resolved,” Voice of Russia quotes Lavrov as saying. “Hillary Clinton knows that we will adequately respond.”

Recall that last week the House of Representatives of the US Congress adopted a bill on the introduction of visa sanctions against the Russians and the simultaneous abolition of the restrictive trade amendment Jackson-Vanik.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation said that this step will have a negative impact on the general atmosphere of Russian-American relations and will not remain without a harsh response from our side.

Russian diplomats advised US lawmakers to look at the ugly picture of respecting human rights in their country.
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  1. Vanek
    +3
    20 November 2012 08: 37
    List of Magnitsky ..................

    How many Ivanovs, Petrovs, etc. in prisons dying ................

    Have you seen the list of Ivanov? And the list of Petrov?

    Zadornov is right !!!
    1. +4
      20 November 2012 08: 43
      Quote: Vanek
      Zadornov is right !!!

      Great classic satirist! He sees all the nonsense of the West! smile
      1. Kaa
        +9
        20 November 2012 11: 33
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Great classic satirist! He sees all the nonsense of the West!

        Not all voiced, unfortunately. History needs to be considered in two aspects:
        1) "Citizens, keep your money in a savings bank ... If you have it, of course ..." - This is for our officials on the list. And rest on one-sixth (or slightly less) of the land. There is no need to pump money into the Western economy.
        2) For many states, including the United States, prepare similar lists for persons involved in the violation of the rights of Russian citizens, without warning:
        The loudest of these cases was the decision of the Latvian court, which in 1998 sentenced the veteran of the Great Patriotic War Vasily Kononov to imprisonment on charges of genocide. Another case, which provoked a sharp reaction from the Russian Foreign Ministry, is connected with the arrest in 2001 in the Pakistani city of Faisalabad of the Russian Ravil Mingazov and his subsequent transfer to the American special prison for prisoners of war located at the Cuban US Navy base Guantanamo. In addition, Russian-American relations in recent years have been marred by several high-profile cases of bullying by American parents of children adopted from Russia. Thus, the death in 2009 in the United States of seven-year-old Vanya Skorobogatov from the Chelyabinsk region caused a wide resonance. ... The adoptive mother of seven-year-old Russian Artyom Savelyev, American Torrie Ann Hansen, sent him alone by plane from Washington to Moscow with a "refusal" note. It said that the child was allegedly mentally unstable. In addition, in February, Anton Batrakov, a 16-year-old Russian orphan, told his curator in emails about the bullying he had to endure from his new American parents. According to the teenager, he is often beaten, poorly fed and tried to be placed in a mental hospital. He also complained that he had recently been held in a basement for five days.
        Living in Oslo, Russian citizen Irina Bergset, the mother of two sons four and 13 years old, accused her ex-husband Kurt Bergset of sexual violence against his youngest son, Misha. In a similar situation was Russian Irina Belenkaya, who married Frenchman Jean-Marie Andre. Their daughter Lisa was born in Moscow in November 2005. Then the couple left for France, where they decided to leave. Belenkaya was arrested, and her daughter was given to her father. Another sensational family conflict between a Russian woman and a Frenchman occurred in the family of actress Natalia Zakharova and dentist Patrick Huari. For more than ten years, a Russian woman has been seeking in various courts to restore her parental rights and return to her daughter, who was ultimately given to a foster family in France at the insistence of her ex-husband Zakharova.The case of the Russian woman Rimma Salonen became the most resonant. In 2008, she returned to her homeland with her son Anton, who has both Finnish and Russian citizenship. After that, the Finnish court in the suit of her ex-husband, Finn Paavo Salonen, in absentia deprived the Russian woman of the right to guardianship. In 2009, the boy was kidnapped and illegally taken to Finland by his father in the trunk of a deep-car. The story was confined to a wheelchair after a stroke of 82-year-old Irina Antonova, who arrived in Finland to her daughter on a tourist visa. The woman lived in Helsinki with her daughter Natalya Käärik for more than two years, but the Finnish authorities refused her a residence permit. http://rapsinews.ru/international_publication/20121026/265130095.html
        And as the hero E. Leonova said - "Exactly, and let them whip, radishes!" am
        1. +1
          20 November 2012 13: 19
          As a rule, the desire to eat deliciously and sleep sweetly has side effects ......
          And according to the list - so it is also necessary to expand it, the less people get to America - the better.
          I would also pay the congressmen for him.
      2. Stalinets
        -1
        20 November 2012 16: 33
        Zadorny was never great, much less a classic ... Shame should be.
        1. bart74
          0
          20 November 2012 17: 13
          And what is shameful for? Normal satirist. winked
      3. 0
        21 November 2012 18: 29
        Now such a wave will rush)) "What a stupid and impudent Ameria .., And we are them, and we are for them .. ((."
        ALAS. Swallow in fact, as well as 95% of the real hostile facts against Russia.
        And off topic: loud and often shameful dismissals of "honored officials" after several years at the trough of state power should be counted as the highest moral and family happiness, finally: he returned from the golden watch. ))
      4. 0
        21 November 2012 19: 09
        He was never a classic. This is a clown making fun of Russia and making money on it!
    2. +9
      20 November 2012 08: 59
      No, regarding Magnitsky’s list, no one is going to sprinkle ashes on his head. Nobody is going to shout at every corner, “Ah, ah, now some Russian prosecutors, judges and pre-trial detention center employees will not get into the USA!”


      And why then this article? And statements by the Russian Foreign Ministry? Again, repeating mistakes with Pussy Rayot ... rake to help us

      Under what international law is this, the authorities of another state declare their ability to judge people as guilty, without any court decisions.


      author - any state has the right, without explanation or with an explanation of the reasons, to refuse entry to any citizens (stateless persons) of any countries

      Instead of just scoring, they again threw a tantrum, and this is the main goal of Magnitsky’s law - to make noise, the level of discussion ....
      1. +9
        20 November 2012 09: 28
        Quote: Civil
        author - any state has the right, without explanation or with an explanation of the reasons, to refuse entry to any citizens (stateless persons) of any countries

        Vadim agrees. Moreover, according to Magnitsky’s law, not only entry is forbidden, but officials may also be arrested. Who is outraged? Those who have accounts over the hill. They can be arrested if Uncle Sam doesn’t please. I don’t give a damn about those who He is outraged by this law and the Americans. 95% of Russian citizens do not touch it at all.
        1. +4
          20 November 2012 12: 52
          baltika-18
          Quote: baltika-18
          Personally, I do not care about those who are indignant, against this law and the Americans. 95% of Russian citizens it does not concern at all.

          Fully agree with you. drinks

          Quote: professor
          If tomorrow foggy Albion and a couple of countries of the old world do the same as the US Congress, then the bureaucrats will not have fun.
          good All true.
          To those who have pinched, he also votes.
      2. Nickname
        +8
        20 November 2012 09: 29
        Just the noise we raised. Our oligarchs are afraid to get on this list.
        So this list is a very necessary and useful thing.
        1. +3
          20 November 2012 09: 33
          Quote: Nickname

          Just the noise we raised. Our oligarchs are afraid to get on this list.
          So this list is a very necessary and useful thing.

          If so, it turns out that our government is not able to fight corruption. This is a political move. There are accounts and real estate abroad, so there is nothing to do in the government, it is easy to manage a dependent person.
          1. +8
            20 November 2012 10: 13
            The authorities in Russia were afraid not of this law, but of a dangerous precedent. If tomorrow foggy Albion and a couple of countries of the old world do the same as the US Congress, then the bureaucrats will not have fun. They are already satisfied with their vacation in Turkey and owning real estate in Albania. This is a nightmare if their children have to study at home ... By the way, the daughter of the Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov lives in England.
            1. +6
              20 November 2012 10: 27
              Quote: professor
              By the way, the daughter of Foreign Minister Lavrov lives in England.

              Professor, you decided to surprise someone here, but I beg you lol Zapadlo is studying the children of our officials in ordinary Russian schools, and even after the resignations, most of them move there themselves. hi
              1. +9
                20 November 2012 11: 04
                I propose that the Russian government introduce a similar list prohibiting the entry of American officials into the territory of Russia, as well as freeze, and even better nationalize, all their real estate and cash in Russia. I can imagine what a commotion will begin in Congress. laughing
                1. mar.tira
                  +2
                  20 November 2012 11: 13
                  Quote: professor
                  US officials denied entry list

                  After all, you can support us when necessary! +. Half of the oil wells in Siberia were bought by American companies, all sorts of "Nord Imperials". It will not be a joke, for sure. I myself was at the American drilling rig, and I know what I am saying.
                  1. +1
                    20 November 2012 11: 16
                    Duc is not "bought up" by American officials, and no one will deny entry to ordinary businessmen.
                    1. mar.tira
                      +1
                      20 November 2012 13: 32
                      Quote: professor
                      and no one will ban entry for ordinary businessmen.

                      So politics is involved there! What prevents to declare an American or an Englishman (British Petroleum) an enemy of Russia, to arrest, and fabricate a case like Buta. Just spit. They just dare not because they themselves are dirty. That's the whole answer!
                2. -2
                  20 November 2012 13: 06
                  Quote: professor
                  it is even better to nationalize all their real estate and cash in Russia. I can imagine what a commotion will begin in Congress.

                  Professor, my applause. But I won’t fix it a lot. Nationalize companies controlled by foreign capital. There will be kipeye, my mother does not grieve.
            2. +3
              20 November 2012 12: 27
              Quote: professor
              By the way, the daughter of Foreign Minister Lavrov lives in England.

              What's so surprising? He, like Zhirinovsky, has an Armenian father, Kalantaryan, and his mother is an employee of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Trade.
              1. 0
                20 November 2012 14: 22
                Vadivak,


                and this is the drain))))))))))
      3. -1
        21 November 2012 18: 58
        It turns out that even business here is not the main thing for the American authorities. And most importantly - the ghosts of the Cold War, who still roam in Congress and do not give rest to those who shudder at the mere mention of the word "Russia".

        Israeli media have noted a significant increase in Jewish representation in the US Congress. Jews conquer Capitol Hill - with such or similar headlines came out international reviews of Israeli media, reports NEWSru Israel.
        US elections brought not only victory to the Democrats, but also led to a record increase in Jewish representation in the lower and upper chambers of the American parliament. It increased by 8 people - from 35 to 43 people.
        In the US Senate, the number of Jews increased by two people - from 11 to 13
        In turn, in the House of Representatives of the US Congress, Jews increased their representation by 6 people, bringing it to 30.
        This is where the "wind blows" from. Hence the deployment of missile defense and Israel's support in the Palestinian question. And support for terrorist gangs in Syria. And financing of the "swamp opposition."
        And support for everything that is against Russia.
    3. predator.3
      +1
      20 November 2012 14: 50
      This list somehow looked, but there mainly from law enforcement agencies and from the tax, People to whom the hell surrendered this America! It would be better if all the oligarchs were included in this list, and all the officials who had real estate and bank accounts there over the hill would be even better arrested! laughing
      1. predator.3
        -1
        20 November 2012 18: 26
        Former Deputy Chief of the General Staff Igor Sheremet, who was dismissed from service after criticism of the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, has been appointed a member of the Government’s Military Industrial Commission.

        According to RIA Novosti, such a decision was made by the cabinet.

        Sheremet was fired in May of this year. Before that, as reported, he sharply criticized Anatoly Serdyukov’s military reform.
    4. mda
      mda
      +1
      20 November 2012 15: 43
      Quote: Vanek
      List of Magnitsky ..................

      How many Ivanovs, Petrovs, etc. in prisons dying ................

      Have you seen the list of Ivanov? And the list of Petrov?

      Zadornov is right !!!

      This is revenge for the fact that Russia does not allow NATO to begin an intervention in Syria
  2. YARY
    +7
    20 November 2012 08: 42
    Russians are accused of innate anti-simitism, why?
    I will answer all the Jews-
    Berezovsky
    Abramovich
    Magnitsky
    And the list goes on and on!
    Do not go into Russian affairs! Do not dare to touch the Russian land and its wealth!
    And there will be no antisimitism!
    In the meantime, shit, you will receive!
    1. +15
      20 November 2012 08: 45
      If there weren’t Magnitsky, then there would have been someone else. This is just an excuse, Magnitsky himself doesn’t give a damn about everything in the USA, it’s nothing more.
      1. Beck
        0
        20 November 2012 13: 56
        Again. Do you know the essence of this Magnitsky law?

        Magnitsky’s lawyer revealed a scam of some Russian officials with embezzlement. Those taking revenge for this, with the help of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, put Magnitsky in prison. Where they did not provide medical assistance. As a result, a patient with diabetes Magnitsky died. There was a fuss in the media. But the Russian authorities did not respond to this, the investigation of embezzlement and murder did not come to grips with it.

        The US Congress passed Magnitsky’s law which prohibits Magnitsky’s officials-embezzlers and Interior Ministry officials from directly entering the United States and placing money stolen from Russia in US banks. That's all. What is the noise? Only because of cheers-patriotic moods or what?

        I wrote, I repeat. In China, the wife of CCP Politburo member Bo Xilai, engaged in big business, poisoned her foreign companion. A Chinese court sentenced his wife to life imprisonment. And the CCP removed Bo Xilai from all posts. So there will be no Bo Xilai law in the West. Since the Chinese authorities themselves punished the criminals. In Russia, under investigation are only small fry - the doctor of the pre-trial detention center.

        What does this Magnitsky law affect the interests of ordinary Russians? Magnitsky’s list is open. Other embezzlers and criminals of not only Russia, but also other countries, can fall into it.

        What, cheers-patriots will also begin to shout the bastard amers if the United States puts on the list Magnitsky Serdyukov, Vasiliev, Yelkin, Rotanova robbed Russian Defense. Forbidding them to enter the United States and open accounts in US banks with stolen money of Russians. Delirium and indulgence to embezzlers.
        1. anchonsha
          0
          20 November 2012 14: 26
          Beck, do you want someone from abroad to interfere in the judicial activities of your state, so that the United States whoever they want to be included in this list agrees, but not for Russia, but not for Russia. We ourselves will sort it out somehow. Why on earth did the amers suddenly defend Magnitsky, who was playing against Russia? Yes, so there would be more such idiots in Russia, believers, they will be protected over the hill .. Magnitsky’s list is only an excuse to fool Russia within the framework that they indicate.
          1. Beck
            0
            20 November 2012 19: 30
            Quote: anchonsha
            Beck, do you want someone from abroad to interfere in the judicial activities of your state, so that the United States would be added to this list if they want


            I want, I don’t want this is the case with the US State Department. And the United States does not interfere in the internal affairs of Russia and Kazakhstan. She just does not want to let foreign thieves and criminals into her country. And this is their business, we don’t care who they want to let in, and who don’t.

            This is what I care about whom you will let into your home. If you don’t want to let an apartment thief into your house, and I’ll tell you that it’s not good, they must let me in, what will you tell me? You know that you will tell a person who is poking a nose out of their business, I also know what you will say.

            I will be with both hands if Rakhat Aliyev’s embezzler and criminal, as well as the thief who robbed Kazakhstan and Russia Mukhtar Ablyazov, are included in this list of Magnitsky. I do not want them on stolen money to relax on the beaches of Miami.

            The Americans by their law do not protect Magnitsky, but block the entry into their country of thieves, officials, embezzlers, criminals. Exactly the same right have Russia and Kazakhstan.
        2. +3
          20 November 2012 14: 40
          Quote: Beck

          Again. Do you know the essence of this Magnitsky law?

          The fact of the matter is that there is no list (who saw him in the eye?). There are no names, but there is a SCARRY, for all Russian officials who are afraid to get into it and be cut off from their foreign accounts. Apartments and villas.
          This is a direct interference in our internal affairs and an instrument of manipulation and pressure on our officials, and this is already not permissible for Russia.
        3. +3
          20 November 2012 15: 46
          Quote: Beck
          Magnitsky’s lawyer revealed a scam of some Russian officials with embezzlement.

          Beck, Smetanova is involved there, it’s a matter of tax 28 or 25 or something. She is now arrested for theft in the Moscow region. There she was also boiled hi
          1. Beck
            -1
            21 November 2012 12: 34
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Beck, Smetanova is involved there, it’s a matter of tax 28 or 25 or something. She is now arrested for theft in the Moscow region. There she was also boiled


            Alexander, if Smetanova, together with her associates, had robbed the treasury and brought Magnitsky to death, two years ago would have been taken into custody and convicted. Now there would be no Magnitsky list.

            And since the United States is not looking at Magnitsky’s investigation, thieves and officials are chewing, so they forbade officials who were guilty of embezzlement and crime from being allowed to enter their country and seize their stolen money.

            And why should we, ordinary citizens, raise in defense of thieves and bureaucratic embezzlers. It is the Kremlin that protects them because he himself put these people in their posts and probably had kickbacks.
        4. Stalinets
          +1
          20 November 2012 16: 44
          And he, what an investigator? Maybe you wanted to say that he voiced something ..... Lawyers do not disclose, but defend in court .....
    2. YARY
      +2
      20 November 2012 09: 36
      Already someone is against. And then the agents of world Zionism are among us!
      1. +5
        20 November 2012 09: 42
        Quote: Ardent

        Already someone is against. And then the agents of world Zionism are among us!

        Ardent, and what am I against here? And as for the agent, yes you yourself are a Zionist fool
    3. +5
      20 November 2012 10: 23
      Quote: Ardent
      Do not go into Russian affairs! Do not dare to touch the Russian land and its wealth!


      I agree completely. Only here they can’t.
      They will powder their brains with completely unrelated crap, while doing their own thing.
    4. 46bob46
      +2
      20 November 2012 11: 42
      Two Jews in the Republican Children's Clinical Hospital deadly pulled out 80% of my son from the grave. IS FREE. Sakovich and Fuat Kemelych. And before that, the Russian doctor almost drove into the coffin. Think what you write.
    5. +5
      20 November 2012 11: 43
      YES ALL RUSSIAN OFFICIALS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THIS LIST.
      They have nothing to do there, in America. Let them sit and work at home in Russia. They don’t go there.
      And let them be arrested, too, they will be kept in Russia, there is nowhere else.
    6. 0
      20 November 2012 13: 07
      Comrade YARY.
      Berezovsky, Abramovich, Magnitsky is a consequence.
      I'm certainly not an adviser in matters such as revision
      Of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, but it (the Constitution of the Russian Federation) does not quite meet
      interests of Russia.
      1. -1
        20 November 2012 13: 38
        Quote: Simple
        Of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, but it (the Constitution of the Russian Federation) does not quite meet
        interests of Russia.


        With 100% compliance with all walks of life, she answers 100%
        1. 0
          20 November 2012 14: 12
          I come from these sources:
          [media = Exiting% 20 from% 20 these% 20 sources:]
          1. +2
            20 November 2012 14: 13
            I come from these sources:

            1. speedy
              0
              20 November 2012 20: 29
              The Russian princes of the times of the yoke of the Tatar-Mongol power did not have more, but ... they saved up their strength, forged weapons (all the toponymy of the armory around Moscow), gave birth to children, raised soldiers, realizing that one military force could not break the Horde, asked for help from God - without St. Sergius, Dmitry Donskoy would not have gathered a third of the army ... In general, "God will change the Horde", if only we are worthy of this help and everyone DO HIS WORK, for the benefit of our common, albeit occupied MOTHERLAND, each in his place - where whom God has put and raise children for the future - FREE life. Sorry for the pretentiousness, it didn't work out otherwise.
    7. bart74
      0
      20 November 2012 17: 15
      Right! I agree completely!
      1. YARY
        0
        20 November 2012 17: 26
        Right!
        Sad but fact
  3. +5
    20 November 2012 08: 47
    Once again I am convinced that our power must become stronger and angrier, and not more beautiful and kinder
    1. +20
      20 November 2012 09: 04
      Quote: smel
      our power needs to become stronger and angrier



      And I think our national beast, however handsome
      1. +9
        20 November 2012 09: 12
        Vadivak,


        younger brother of the national beast:

        1. +5
          20 November 2012 09: 15
          Quote: Civil
          younger brother of the national beast:

          Hello namesake, yours will be more cunning
          1. +2
            20 November 2012 10: 24
            Quote: Vadivak
            Hello namesake, yours will be more cunning

            This animal is Taki from Odessa! =))
        2. bart74
          0
          20 November 2012 17: 17
          Handsome man however! Fat scribe!
  4. +8
    20 November 2012 09: 12
    Good afternoon, as I understand it, Magnitsky’s List gives the right to seize the assets of Russian officials involved in Magnitsky’s death, as well as allow the prohibition of entry and seizure of the assets of other Russian government officials who have been convicted of serious human rights violations? Well, you know the legitimate question, why our government. Do officials hold assets in US banks? STORE IN RUSSIA (or elsewhere). And the list really doesn’t consist of businessmen (BECAUSE BUSINESSISERS BUILD TRADE RELATIONS BETWEEN COUNTRIES), but of those who must protect Russian citizens at home (half of the judges are half of the investigators), and not in the USA. It seems to me that there is a lot of panic because of this list. It's my personal opinion.
    1. 0
      20 November 2012 12: 04
      I PROPOSE TO VOTE ...... WHO IS FOR THE LIST - PUTS "+", WHO IS AGAINST "---" Let's see the site's attitude to this wonderful American bill laughing secret ballot
  5. +2
    20 November 2012 09: 19
    Thanks to amers, now our government has a wonderful trump card for the return "secret" list of expelling all kinds of provocateurs-destroyers of Russia under a justified pretext. WITHOUT OFFENSE GOD, ONLY RESPONSIBLE JUSTICE.
    1. Robin_3ON
      0
      20 November 2012 16: 54
      skeptic,

      The MOST provocateurs and destroyers of Russia are corrupt officials and embezzlers. hi
  6. +2
    20 November 2012 09: 32
    Under what international law is this, the authorities of another state declare their ability to judge people as guilty, without any court decisions.
    And what did the Americans violate?
    A Ukrainian activist from the Femen movement flew to us last week. She was quickly teleported back. This is a common international practice.
  7. merkel1961
    +1
    20 November 2012 09: 47
    Having canceled the aforementioned amendment, the States did not step on their song, on the contrary, it is profitable for them, and Vanka will continue, that is, to stimulate the internal Russian allies, the fifth column. There would be no Magnitsky, they would have come up with another instrument for kicking and the hands of those who see their "reset" in the wrong way and vetoing Russia of American initiatives of the New World Order. The list is open and will continue to grow, there will be no Serdyukov with "aunts", no Kudrin with Chubais, or Udaltsov with Navalny and Chirikova, as well as Kasyanova and K, but those who are on the other side with them will be on the list, promoting the nationalization of the Central Bank, supporters of the introduction of mutual settlements between states in their national currencies and the restriction of green candy wrappers, prohibits the parades of sodomites, and oppose forced fooling and degradation.
  8. +9
    20 November 2012 09: 59
    On the one hand, I hate the Americans with their smug, arrogant policy of interference in everything and everyone. Wherever you spit, you will find yourself in their "national interests". On the other hand, I'm just glad that at least someone pinched the wallet of our money-bags. It would be better if it turned out to be done here, in Russia. Well, in extreme cases, even in America. By the way, the same lists are being typeset in Europe.
    Colleagues, we will rejoice for the rich compatriots !!!
    1. Mikado
      +3
      20 November 2012 10: 45
      I agree with you, Bro. It is very funny when some of our ordinary fellow citizens start hysteria about the "Magnitsky list", is it not that they are so saddened that some of our officials and prosecutors in the United States will not be allowed now? Ay-yay-yay, they are still fanning the zomboyaschik, that's it, the honor of Russia has suffered. In the same way, they were promoting on TV, when our corrupt officials were imprisoned in the West, Adamov, Borodin, such a tragedy, honest Russian husbands were never detained, the best lawyers were hired to get them out. You can rest assured that if they take you for the cardon, they will send you the same troops of defenders to support you ... if they even remember you.
    2. 0
      20 November 2012 13: 08
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      Colleagues, we will rejoice for the rich compatriots !!!

      Plus, colleague. Even a drink for that. drinks
  9. +3
    20 November 2012 10: 11
    And it seems to me that one should not be hysterical about this list. Adopt in the Duma, for example, the "Booth list" with similar restrictions and not pay attention to howling and indignation. Calmly, without nerves. Otherwise we will lament like a groom who has learned that the bride is not a virgin. With the United States and the West, concrete solutions are needed, but all kinds of protests are not even serious.
    1. +5
      20 November 2012 10: 55
      Hi Sanya. still easier. It is necessary to knock out the soil from under the list. Dismiss all bureaucrats on this list and mustache.
      although anyone worse off from this law still see. For example, I did not feel any inconvenience.
      1. 0
        20 November 2012 11: 01
        Quote: vorobey
        Dismiss all bureaucrats on this list and mustache.


        Ingenious! And put others in their place! As a result, millions of dollars spent on various meetings on the adoption of the law to nothing!
      2. 0
        20 November 2012 11: 45
        Hello! I agree to all 100%!
  10. +2
    20 November 2012 10: 31
    According to M. Zadornov: "Well, stupid people .."
    Jackson-Vanik amendment canceled for the sake of the Russian Federation, or what? Clowns ... We were accepted into the WTO, but we couldn’t trade with us (that is, to raft everything for us, but for third world countries) because of the amendment ... Well, they canceled it, of course ... but Magnitsky’s list which side tied ??? How do we do it ??? And they would go along with their amendment, lists, etc. to hell ... No, the amers are inadequate in essence ... is there such a climate?
  11. +2
    20 November 2012 10: 57
    The Jackson-Vanik amendment was canceled only because after Russia's accession to the WTO, it really became very unprofitable for the Yankees. That's all. And the so-called. "Magnitsky's law" is, by and large, complete nonsense for Russia. They wanted to prick, show something ...
  12. boris.radevitch
    -1
    20 November 2012 11: 00
    What is the use of some being canceled by others, they must be done by NATO with the great
    China and then everything will be chokey bunch.! am
  13. dusha233
    0
    20 November 2012 11: 02
    I propose for each surname in Magnitsky’s list to expel one of the fifth column from the swamp from the country !!
    1. +1
      21 November 2012 04: 44
      Quote: dusha233
      I suggest for each surname in the Magnitsky list

      Better for each surname-AWARD. As per identified corruptionist.
      And demand the return to the homeland of all funds stolen here ..
  14. gas
    gas
    +3
    20 November 2012 11: 26
    Damn how I will live now! Realizing that a dozen of our corrupt officials will not be allowed into America and their bank accounts will be frozen! What does this list bother you with? Do you care? This does not affect the interests of the Russian Federation.
    1. 0
      21 November 2012 04: 50
      Even as it affects. This, in principle, is the only thing he does. Direct intervention by a foreign state in our internal affairs.
    2. -1
      21 November 2012 04: 56
      Quote: gaz
      Do you care? This does not affect the interests of the Russian Federation.

      Even as it affects. In principle, this is the only thing that this list does. Direct intervention by a foreign state in our internal affairs.
      1. 0
        21 November 2012 06: 47
        Our officials have stolen and will continue to steal, and all that "natyril" will "dribble" in foreign banks. For them, their money is their future and the loss of the opportunity to go abroad - DEATH IS LIKE.
        In order not to get into these lists, they will be ready for anything, but how they get into the list of non-entry ones, they were clearly shown: you will defend the interests of Russia - YOU ARE IN THE LIST, you will interfere with the West in domestic or foreign policy - YOU ARE IN THE LIST. And something tells me that our "bureaucrats" will make a choice in favor of myself.
        So the list is a direct intervention in our internal affairs. A leash around the neck of a significant part of the bureaucracy. And "pull" for it - WILL BE, DO NOT HAVE Doubt about it.
      2. 0
        22 November 2012 22: 19
        There would be justice in the prosecutor's office, investigation and court in the Magnitsky case, and no one would intervene. In Magnitsky’s case, everyone was enriched: cops, tax officers, and, I think, some higher ones. After all, the system with VAT refunds worked and will continue to work. If Russia believes that justice is being violated in the US by officials, let it pass similar acts.
  15. Nechai
    +3
    20 November 2012 11: 41
    Quote: vorobey
    It is necessary to knock out the soil from under the list. Dismiss all bureaucrats on this list and mustache.

    Quote: Manager
    And put in their place others

    Yes, at least some stavte, they (amers) will also replace the name. All industry, banks, etc. either purely private or public-private. And not the last place in the list of owners is occupied by officials and their relatives. A little away from the general course of the Washington regional committee, they jerked right behind the zugunderd ... Only the full state property of ALL Russian participants in import-export operations. And this is another political system, so hated by the officials themselves ....
    Quote: sprut
    And the so-called. "Magnitsky's law" is, by and large, complete nonsense for Russia.

    Nope! Lads! This is not nonsense. And not even a modernized REISSUE of the notorious amendment. Which concerned only high-tech and dual-use technologies and equipment imported into the Union (Russia). This "list" makes it possible to monitor ALL OVERALL imports and exports of Russia, since the ears of our officials will stick out everywhere.
  16. +2
    20 November 2012 11: 57
    In general, if someone has the illusion that from the American government offices they wish us only good, then it is time to say goodbye to these illusions.

    In '91 I was still young to have my own opinion on political issues, but I clearly remember my father's attitude to such opinions about American help. Literally, Americans believe either degenerates or traitors. In general, you need to live without pink glasses.
  17. in reserve
    0
    20 November 2012 12: 24
    It seems to me that when adopting these new amendments, Americans simply do not want modern technologies to flow to Russia, and it will be so if all these amendments are canceled. Look at China for so many years of cooperation with the United States, it is already almost a super power. And we can’t renew production, including due to the fact that they cannot sell us the latest equipment.
  18. +2
    20 November 2012 12: 59
    You can perceive the undercover basis of the above-mentioned secret list as a way of forcing the interests of the United States through officials and their relatives - solve certain issues, we may not pay attention to you. Although our law enforcement agencies themselves need to pay close attention to this list of relatives, it may become easier to fight corruption. But for good, if all countries join this list, in addition, they expand on all bureaucrats and their relatives, you look and our life will become better. Does the West only need it?
  19. cool.ya-nikola
    +2
    20 November 2012 13: 25
    In general, if someone has the illusion that from the American government offices they wish us only good, then it is time to say goodbye to these illusions.

    Here, as they say, neither add nor turn down! It remains only to somehow convince of this
    Udaltsova with Navalny and Chirikova, as well as Kasyanov and Co.

    Although, of course, the Magnitsky list is just some kind of nightmare! What is it that now our "servants" and there will be no way beyond Cyprus and Antalya? Trouble, great trouble has come to the Russian land! what
  20. +2
    20 November 2012 13: 52
    Amers question is resolved. Therefore, it is necessary to act in the style of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
    To Magnitsky’s list, to achieve a secret application on the withdrawal and return to the ownership of Russia of savings, persons included in this list, and having accounts and real estate in the United States. And to hell with it, with this list - let them enjoy imaginary greatness.
  21. botur2013
    +2
    20 November 2012 14: 42
    Or maybe Americans at the expense of these bureaucrats want to improve their financial situation? Babos there are not sickly. Well, the call to the Russian relevant authorities is where and from whom to look!
  22. MG42
    +3
    20 November 2012 14: 49
    Amendment of “traffic jams on Moscow roads that prevent American citizens from moving freely in the Russian capital” or the act of “Infringement of the rights of LGBT people - the community”.

    The United States will not be a friend for the Russian Federation, the wrong list will be different, this is the image. Guardians of crap. The previous list has ceased to be beneficial for syshya, they came up with another one. Russia must itself add them to the corresponding "black" list.
  23. +2
    20 November 2012 15: 00
    And what did we lose in this dance? In 2011, there was nothing to do there. The scary pipisk didn’t move, the equipment was the same as Chinese consumer goods. And for some reason vodka was diluted with ice instead of a good snack after drinking
  24. Stalinets
    0
    20 November 2012 16: 37
    .... But what about the presumption of innocence, which is considered the pillar of Western criminal law ... What is it? Where in America did the author find such a paradox ??????? On the contrary !!! It was like that in the USSR ...

    To identify the American congress with the people is the same as to identify the Duma assessors with the Russian people.
  25. bart74
    0
    20 November 2012 17: 20
    Yes, it is necessary to adopt an adequate law, or tougher! bully
  26. yacht
    0
    20 November 2012 17: 25
    Ay-ay-ay I am very worried that some crooks and devil-lords will be denied entry to the United States, and in the future, to the countries of the European Union. I am very, very sorry for these gentlemen's bank accounts and real estate. I don't sleep at night, I'm worried, damn it, about where the children of these gentlemen will study now, really in our schools? And what to do with "earned" now? Suggest to bury in glass jars? In short, I don’t want to do it as soon as I worry about the money of swindlers and the lords, and therefore I show full solidarity with the American government, Congress, the Senate and other progressive humanity in the fight against Russian swindlers and devil-lords.
  27. +1
    20 November 2012 18: 15
    Magnitsky’s list is just an instrument of pressure on Russian political elites. And the one who is not bothered by their reaction to this list is the one who will suffer the most from its consequences. After all, the elites will not be pressured with the goal of making them work better for the good of Russia. Is it really so hard to understand?
    1. yacht
      +1
      20 November 2012 19: 21
      Are you worried about the Russian elite? I will answer with the words of Brzezinski:
      “American banks have $ 500 billion owned by the Russian elite ... you still figure out whose elite it is - yours or ours already. This elite in no way connects its fate with the fate of Russia. They have the money already there, the children are already there .... ". So do not scare the hedgehog with your bare ass.
  28. 0
    20 November 2012 18: 17
    Quote: Civil
    the main goal of Magnitsky’s law is to make noise, the level of discussion ....


    Colleagues, not only ...
    This people, accustomed to marketing, will draw a fly from scratch. Then he will inflate it to universal proportions. Then he sells at a reasonable price or exchanges for what you need .... Dummy beads and key chains glittering for the gold of the natives, for example ...
  29. 0
    20 November 2012 18: 46
    Quote: in stock
    It seems to me that when adopting these new amendments, Americans simply do not want modern technologies to flow to Russia, and it will be so if all these amendments are canceled. Look at China for so many years of cooperation with the United States, it is already almost a super power. And we can’t renew production, including due to the fact that they cannot sell us the latest equipment.


    I’ll tell you a little secret, although this is not a secret at all ... :)
    The broom-jackson amendment never worked. If one of our people wanted to buy something bypassing this law, then people appeared who were offering the same thing, sometimes at lower prices ...
    The most high-profile case: the ban on the supply of supercomputers, Azit companies came and offered the same thing, with a more advanced one;)))
    May their senators be amused ...
  30. 0
    20 November 2012 19: 38
    Quote: yacht
    Ai-ai-ai, I am very concerned that some crooks and state-mords will be denied entry to the United States, and in the future, to EU countries. I am very, very sorry for the bank accounts and real estate of these gentlemen.

    In connection with this, I always remember the PalPalych case (I was such a manager at EBN) ... :)))
    I don’t understand why our competent authorities don’t engage in such "operations"? Lure, present, plant ...
  31. ESCANDER
    0
    20 November 2012 20: 48
    "We do not care"
  32. Dimon simfer
    +1
    20 November 2012 21: 00
    Simple,
    I completely agree. Slavs need to unite and drive all the western trash into three necks. Otherwise, we will not get out of this shit.

    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Great classic satirist! He sees all the nonsense of the West!

    Once upon a time I saw on TV how Zadornov was presented with a globe without North America laughing
  33. mars6791
    +1
    20 November 2012 23: 30
    all aggressive ones, as if these acts concern everyone directly. Don’t be afraid, 99.9% of site visitors will not get on Magnitsky’s list, 0.1% - percentage for a miracle, a misunderstanding. And on Jackson, a broom to the bulb.
  34. Aleshty
    +1
    21 November 2012 00: 47
    Starikov’s blog has instructions on how to voluntarily put yourself on Magnitsky’s list http://nstarikov.ru/blog/21889#more-21889
  35. +1
    21 November 2012 00: 48
    Here I will support. As we did not care about Jackson and Venik (38 years old), right now we’ll not give a damn about Magnitsky’s list. Who will suffer from this? Are you site visitors? Hardly...
    Do you remember what Solzhenitsyn’s return gave you? But the Nobel laureate. He wanted to teach us how to live ...
    We can’t measure us with arshin ... Neither the arshin of the notorious Venik, nor the arshin of Magnitsky ...